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Speaker 4: Truth, Truth, all right, let's do this. Six seven, seven

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Speaker 4: hundred WLW Welcome in. The show is our now Carrier

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Speaker 4: Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet. I'm Lance Bachanles Jerry,

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Speaker 4: Let's get to the headline so we can get to

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Speaker 4: all of it. They're in the ninth right now in Goodyear,

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Speaker 4: with the Reds leading the Podres eleven to ten. It's

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Speaker 4: been a wild afternoon of baseball. La has a double,

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Speaker 4: it again, and then Cam Collier's RBI single in the

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Speaker 4: top of the ninth. You'll here's some highlights from it.

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Speaker 4: two thirty five airtime. Here on seven hundred WLW, twenty

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Speaker 4: eight days until opening day, one month from today. Red's

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Speaker 4: opening Day one month from today. Charlie Goldsmith Charlie Chalkboard reports.

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Speaker 4: Terry Francona indicated to him that Eric Davis addressed the

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Speaker 4: team this morning about what it means to be a Red.

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Speaker 2: I like that.

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Speaker 4: Hunter Green will make you his spring debut on Saturday

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Speaker 4: against the Brewers. NFL scouting combine continues in Indie. Mike

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Speaker 3: That's according to ESPN.

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Speaker 4: The NFL Players Association is not making the reports public

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Speaker 4: this year, following a grievance by the NFL, which claimed

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Speaker 4: the survey violated the collective bargaining agreement. The Steelers finished

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Speaker 4: last number of seventeen different categories. Bengals from their players

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Speaker 4: to the original Montgomery in on Thursday, March the fifth,

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Speaker 4: April the second. The Columbus Blue Jackets get back on

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Speaker 3: How are we doing.

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Speaker 2: It is?

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Speaker 5: It's a familiar spot for me to be on with

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Speaker 5: you talking Bengals and NFL lance. I will tell you this,

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Speaker 5: it was sort of like getting back on the treadmill today,

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Speaker 5: but not at three point two. It was more like

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Speaker 2: Yes, it felt that way anyway.

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Speaker 3: Yes, let's start here.

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Speaker 4: Of all the things that were said, Of all the

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Speaker 6: That day?

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Speaker 5: The Bengals are going to do everything possible to rebuild

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Speaker 5: their defense, and I think he knows that they're going

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Speaker 5: to probably have to move on from Trey Hendrickson, though

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Speaker 5: he most certainly did not admit that. Read between the lines,

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Speaker 5: and that's kind of what we're paid to do. I

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Speaker 5: think the Bengals are moving on from Trey Hendrickson, and

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Speaker 5: it's probably the right thing to do. Maybe the Bengals

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Speaker 5: not see Trey Hendrickson and Bengals stripes next year. With

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Speaker 5: that being said, Duke Cobin indicated that they are going

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Speaker 5: to look for the type of player that can play

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Speaker 5: multiple positions, and a couple of things were hammered down

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Speaker 5: or are really hammered to us as media this week

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Speaker 5: and in Anapolis. They're looking for players who have multiple

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Speaker 5: they're looking for players.

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Speaker 2: With very high FBI and leadership.

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Speaker 5: FBI is simply football intelligence, so force multipliers and FBI.

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Speaker 5: What the force multipliers means is come in play a

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Speaker 2: Think that's a good way to look at it.

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Speaker 5: The Bengals, quite frankly, didn't have a lot of those

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Speaker 5: ask that of free agents. And I think the Bengals

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Speaker 3: Triggs.

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Speaker 4: Do you take it that they believe in Jordan Battle

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Speaker 5: That's exactly the way I read it. Boy, oh boy,

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Speaker 5: have they been pushing the Jordan Battle stock up and

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Speaker 5: they want to build up Jordan Battle to think, we

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Speaker 5: we expect you to be a leader. We expect you

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Speaker 5: to be the communicator and the leader you were for

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Speaker 5: Nick Saban and Alabama. That's to me what the last

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Speaker 5: Jordan Battle, that has been it. And they know the stats.

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Speaker 5: They know he had twenty one miss tackles this year,

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Speaker 5: was that moment against the Bears when he failed to

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Speaker 5: They know all of that, and they know it was

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Speaker 2: I think they're trying to pump them up. And I

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Speaker 5: Jordan Battle should not feel like he's on an island

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Speaker 5: they believe that Jordan Battle can be a captain of

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Speaker 2: End of the defense.

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Speaker 4: Traig shouldn't shouldn't somebody like Dalton Reisner? Shouldn't that be

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Speaker 2: Yes, Lance, And.

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Speaker 5: That is one of the things that I think drives

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Speaker 5: Burrow's time here in Cincinnati. Well, now you have the

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Speaker 5: Yes, you want to have as much money possible to

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Speaker 5: And after last season, I think a lot of Bengal

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Speaker 2: And you know that they're going to have to play all.

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Speaker 5: Of these different combinations in training camp. I will say this,

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Speaker 5: if they don't get it done before free agency, he's

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Speaker 5: probably gone because there are enough other teams. And I

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Speaker 5: think he put on films some very good tape this year,

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Speaker 5: very good, some very good reps that I think he

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Speaker 5: think Dalton Reisner wants to come back to Cincinnati, and at.

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Speaker 2: This point, if you're the Bengals, unless.

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Speaker 5: There's something we don't know about Dalton Reisner's medical history

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Speaker 4: We know the two rookie linebackers certainly took their lumps,

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Speaker 4: and then the learning curve was stepid times last season.

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Speaker 4: Do you get a sense that a veteran linebacker would

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 5: Oron Burks was a terrific backup linebacker who actually started

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Speaker 2: Played quite well.

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Speaker 5: I think the fallback position is somebody like an Orin

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Speaker 5: Berks or Oron Burks, But I think ideally they would

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Speaker 4: bacallister on Twitter. Red's win this afternoon eleven over the Padres.

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Speaker 8: Is it to have roster management and you kind of

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Speaker 4: to one hundred innings this year. Let's just say they do.

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Speaker 4: Would you want innings wasted at Louisville or would you

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Speaker 4: want him here? And if it comes down to heading

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Speaker 4: here out of spring training, the final spot, your final

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Speaker 4: roster spot out of a bullpen? Would you rather have

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Speaker 4: mal Luis may Zach Maxwell or Chase Burns pitching out

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Speaker 4: of the pen with Louder in the rotation to start

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Speaker 4: the season? Will have all the angles I had tried

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Speaker 4: to think of. I did not think of the concept

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Speaker 4: of And it makes so much sense. That's why the

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Speaker 4: Cowboys the Cowboy. Why if if it's a big if underlined,

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Speaker 4: if rat Louder shows he's ready to start the season,

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Speaker 4: why would you want him pitching very valuable innings? Every

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Speaker 4: inning he pitches at Triple A Louisville is an inning

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Speaker 4: he's not going to be able.

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Speaker 3: To pitch here.

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Speaker 4: And we saw Chase Burns pitch better out of the

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Speaker 4: bullpen than he did as a starter in a short

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Speaker 4: time last season. Imagine him coming out of the bullpen

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Speaker 4: early first month of the season, specifically where starters aren't going.

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Speaker 3: Deep into games.

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Speaker 4: They rarely do anyway, But you're not going to go

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Speaker 4: six and seven innings in the first month of the season.

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Speaker 4: Use Burns to then piggyback come in relief and pick

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Speaker 4: up multiple innings out of the pen a couple of

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Speaker 4: times a week.

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Speaker 3: I like that.

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Speaker 4: I also like this, and the beauty of this is

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Speaker 4: Jeff just making it very simple and the idea of

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Speaker 4: how to construct the roster and maybe your bench and

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Speaker 4: the rat last roster spot, and the idea of you know,

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Speaker 4: the Rads don't really have a true middle infield, or

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Speaker 4: they don't have somebody like Santiago Espinall who can come

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Speaker 4: in and play short and play second, play other positions.

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Speaker 3: The Cowboys said this last night.

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Speaker 8: The jury is still out on JJ Bludet. I think

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Speaker 8: as far as a talent perspective and the fact that

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Speaker 8: he's got some experience, he's got to be in the mix.

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Speaker 8: You like that, and you look at I think you

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Speaker 8: look at Nate low in the same way. The issue

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Speaker 8: is where can we use these guys? And am I

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Speaker 8: going to put guys on the bench that can maybe

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Speaker 8: spell a guy shortstop or maybe spell a guy on

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Speaker 8: the middle endfield. I hear that middle endfield thing all

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Speaker 8: the time. You know what I don't want that. I'm

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Speaker 8: not interested in that.

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Speaker 2: You know what I want.

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Speaker 8: I want a guy that can step up there in

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Speaker 8: the eighth inning when I'm down by one run and

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Speaker 8: he can tag one. That's what I want, and I

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Speaker 8: would imagine that's what Frank ConA want. It's not about

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Speaker 8: I mean, if if something happens to Ellie or McLain, well,

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Speaker 8: then that then you go to triple A and you

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Speaker 8: bring them up the next day. I don't want to

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Speaker 8: carry somebody on my bench all year long that is

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Speaker 8: not going to play every day. And it's just he's

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Speaker 8: not gonna be a guy that can hit the ball

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Speaker 8: out of the ballpark. I mean, think about think about

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Speaker 8: having Nate Lowe on your bench. And now a lot

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Speaker 8: of this has to be proved out because his year

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Speaker 8: last year was not that great, but bl eday, same

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Speaker 8: thing you got guys. You want to have guys on

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Speaker 8: the bench that the manager across the field has to

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Speaker 8: manage against.

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Speaker 4: You and has to work at it. That's fantastic stuff.

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Speaker 4: That is gold from the Cowboy last night. And you know,

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Speaker 4: honestly right now, the middle endfield options to be on

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Speaker 4: the bench is like the twenty sixth guy. I mean

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Speaker 4: that's really Tyler Callahan, maybe Edwin Arroyo. I can't see

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Speaker 4: them bringing keeping him up on the major league roster

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Speaker 4: as a bench guy. But rather than somebody just to

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Speaker 4: say we need somebody to be the middle infielder. I

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Speaker 4: love the idea of if and when you need a

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Speaker 4: backup middle endfielder. I mean, for now, McClain con slide

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Speaker 4: over to short when Ella gets a day off, and

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Speaker 4: when McClain slides the shorter he gets a day off.

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Speaker 4: South Stewart can play second base or Spencer Steer can

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Speaker 4: play second base.

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Speaker 3: Two points I think make a lot.

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Speaker 4: Of sense from the Cowboy as he usually does down

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Speaker 4: the stretch, will go Little FC Cincinnati to close out

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Speaker 4: the hour, and center field was not TJ Friedel Today

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Speaker 4: That idea and more Next RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented

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Speaker 4: by Kelsey Chevrolet seven hundred WLW. Here's a ball in

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Speaker 4: mock kiss you a moment cho his white foot ferries

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Speaker 4: in top betting as Kenzie found the ball inside of

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Speaker 4: the eighteen at Cincinnati with a lead.

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Speaker 5: Here in the eighteenth minute.

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Speaker 4: Well and did they add to it? Last night? FC

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Speaker 4: Cincinnati dominates O and M FC nine nil, nine nil

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Speaker 4: to win round one of the Conka Calf Play in

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Speaker 4: aggregate score the two matches thirteen nil. Club record last

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Speaker 4: night for goals in a match, and I think it's Adamar Javez,

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Speaker 4: at age seventeen and forty four days, became the youngest

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Speaker 4: goal scorer in club history with one last night. The

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Speaker 4: Orange and Blue advanced to the Champions Cup Round of

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Speaker 4: sixteen now to take on Mexican Club T Grays T

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Speaker 4: Grays Ua NL. That is a rematch of last year's

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Speaker 4: Champions Cup Round of sixteen. FC Cincinnati will host the

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Speaker 4: first leg of that on Thursday, March the twelfth. Kickoff

535
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Speaker 4: time to be announced in the coming days. The Orange

536
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Speaker 4: and Blue have not conceded no goals allowed in three

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Speaker 4: matches this season. FC Cincinnati back into MLS play as

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Speaker 4: they hit the road to take on Minnesota United FC.

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Speaker 4: This Saturday kickoff at four point thirty. Catch it on

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Speaker 4: the Project one hundred point seven FM. Of note today,

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Speaker 4: in the Reds lineup, TJ Friedo was in it and

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Speaker 4: Daan Myers was in it. TJ was in left field,

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Speaker 4: Daan Myers was in center field. Get used to that.

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Speaker 4: That's not going to be a rarity or an oddity

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Speaker 4: this season. Maybe not both of them at the same

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Speaker 4: time in those spots. But I talked with Charlie Goldsmith

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Speaker 4: about it earlier this week on Sports Talk when I

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Speaker 4: asked him, how you remember they traded for Daye Myers,

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Speaker 4: got Daan Myers from the Miami Marlins, and I asked

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Speaker 4: him about the fit for the new guy on this roster.

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Speaker 4: Here's what Charlie said, how does Dane Myers fit into

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Speaker 4: this roster equation in your mind?

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Speaker 9: So let's start with freedom, of course, because that's freedom.

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Speaker 9: They want to get more days off than he had

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Speaker 9: last year. One of the laws of the roster was

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Speaker 9: there were times where they just didn't have a backup centerfielder,

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Speaker 9: and I was told on like November first, we need

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Speaker 9: centerfield death. So obviously Benson will now be in position.

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Speaker 2: To make the team.

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Speaker 9: They go out and trade for Dane Myers. Freedom might

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Speaker 9: even get a bit of a time and left Mark

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Speaker 9: Hale get a splash of time in center. How all

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Speaker 9: of these pieces moving together will cement what Myers' role

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Speaker 9: specifically looks like. He's also competing for a spot with

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Speaker 9: Blake dut I look at as there's one spot for

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Speaker 9: a right handed backup center fielder between Blake Gunn between

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Speaker 9: Dan Myers. Throw Re Tigns in there. Maybe he can

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Speaker 9: play center. But he's an interesting guy. He'll be a

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Speaker 9: fascinating gotta watch this spring. But Myers is the favorite

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Speaker 9: to be that backup center fielder because he's a true

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Speaker 9: playmaker and because he is a track record of crushing one.

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Speaker 4: He just poort Yeah, a great point at the end there.

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Speaker 4: In over two hundred played appearances in his career, Daan

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Speaker 4: Myers is a two ninety seven hitter against left handers

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Speaker 4: with an on base of three sixty and an OPS

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Speaker 4: over eight hundred. So you can keep TJ fresh by

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Speaker 4: playing Myers on occasion and center. TJ war down second

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Speaker 4: half of last season after the All Star break hit

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Speaker 4: just two thirty eight. You can slide on. Maybe you

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Speaker 4: get TJ a day off every now and then, or

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Speaker 4: on a day where you want to get save the

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Speaker 4: legs a little bit, move him to left, and that

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Speaker 4: means Myers can play center from that standpoint as well.

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Speaker 4: I didn't realize until looking it up. TJ Friedls actually

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Speaker 4: started thirty six games in left field. I'm not sure

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Speaker 4: I would have won to bet that he started that

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Speaker 4: many games and left in his major league career, But

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Speaker 4: it's all part of the flexibility and availability when you

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Speaker 4: bring in somebody like Dane Myers, and Myers is a

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Speaker 4: much better defensive center fielder than TJ is in center

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Speaker 4: as well. All right, twenty I say twenty eight days

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Speaker 4: to opening day, Opening day one month from today, reds

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Speaker 4: to where the number twenty eight in the history of

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Speaker 4: the franchise, some of which include Chris Heisey, who hit

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Speaker 4: eighteen home runs in twenty eleven. You know, Chris Heisey

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Speaker 4: had fourteen pinch hit homers in his career. Edwin and

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Speaker 4: Kardassion was number twenty eight. Austin Kerns wore the number.

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Speaker 4: Every time I think of Austin Kerns, I also have

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Speaker 4: to think of Ray King, who sat on him at

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Speaker 4: home plate on a bang bang play. On a wild pitch,

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Speaker 4: Austin trying to score and Ray King injured Austin Kern's shoulder,

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Speaker 4: and you could argue it changed the trajectory of his career.

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Speaker 4: Mark Lewis, the Pride to Hamilton, wore number twenty eight.

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Speaker 4: Hit a pinch hit Grand Slam in the nineteen ninety

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Speaker 4: five playoffs, again the Dodgers. Paul Konerko, who the Reds

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Speaker 4: got for Jeff Shaw, gave eighty one plate appearances and

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Speaker 4: then traded for Mike Cameron, wore the number twenty eight

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Speaker 4: briefly for the Reds before he went to hit over

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Speaker 4: four hundred home runs with the White Sox. Lenny Harris

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Speaker 4: wore number twenty eight. Cal Daniels, Randall, Kirk Myers, Caesar Sadaniel,

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Speaker 4: Sam Mahias. I remember as a kid, I used to

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Speaker 4: always think it was Sam Meggias. It's Sam Mahias who

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Speaker 4: hit two eighty three with the Reds in one hundred

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Speaker 4: and forty four games. Champ Summers number twenty eight the

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Speaker 4: first Red to hit a right field red seat home

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Speaker 4: run at Riverfront Stadium. It didn't happen till nineteen seventy eight. Also,

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Speaker 4: Bobby Tolin Veda Pinson, Wally Post. Vince DiMaggio wore number

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Speaker 4: twenty eight with the Cincinnati Reds for a season. All right,

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Speaker 4: that was man? What are in the books already? Hang

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Speaker 4: tight up?

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Speaker 2: Next?

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Speaker 4: He's a local author wrote a fantastic book about Pete Rose.

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Speaker 4: His newest book is Heartland, A Forgotten Place, an Impossible

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Speaker 4: Dream in the Miracle Larry Bird. That plus some more

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Speaker 4: Reds and Bengals ahead RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented by

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Speaker 4: Kelsey Chevrolet seven WLW.

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Speaker 1: The following takes place between seven pm and eight pm.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, no time to waste our two underway, Let's get

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Speaker 4: to it. My next guest is a Saint Xcrat join

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Speaker 4: me a while back to discuss a fantastic book.

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Speaker 3: He wrote about Pete Rose.

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Speaker 4: It's titled Charlie Hustle, The Rise and Fall of Pete

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Speaker 4: Rose in the Last Glory Days of Baseball. My next

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Speaker 4: guest has a new book. It's about Larry Bird. It's

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Speaker 4: called Heartland, A Forgotten Place, an Impossible Dream and the

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Speaker 4: Miracle of Larry Bird. It is coming out March the third.

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Speaker 4: I believe for more on that, let's welcome in the

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Speaker 4: source of that book. That would be Keith O'Brien, how

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Speaker 4: are you.

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Speaker 10: Hey, Lance, Great to be back with you. Thanks for

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Speaker 10: having me.

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Speaker 3: It is great catching up with you.

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Speaker 4: Let me start with the obvious question you did, Pete Rose,

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Speaker 4: what led you to writing a book about Larry Bird?

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Speaker 10: Well, like you mentioned, I'm the Saint X grad born

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Speaker 10: and raised in Cincinnati, a Midwesterner, you know, through and through,

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Speaker 10: and you know, during Charlie Hustle, I was back in

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Speaker 10: the Midwest all the time. I really felt like I

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Speaker 10: had come home to my roots. And as I came

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Speaker 10: out of that project, I was looking around, you know,

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Speaker 10: for other stories in the Midwest that we sort of overlooked,

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Speaker 10: and I and I, you know, turn my attention to

653
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 10: this one. You know, Heartland is not you know, a

654
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 10: soups and nuts Larry Bird biography. That was not what

655
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 10: I wanted to do. It is really an origin story

656
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 10: of Larry Bird's rise in rural Indiana in the nineteen seventies.

657
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 10: And it's really a portrait of this miracle nineteen seventy

658
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 10: nine Indiana State Team and how that miracle really still

659
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 10: endures today.

660
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 4: And keep for those who don't know, French Lake, Indiana

661
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 4: is off the radar, off the beaten path. Larry was

662
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 4: kind of that way himself back in his high school days,

663
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 4: wasn't he.

664
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, people would think, you know, Larry Bird

665
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 10: was a massive star in high school. That just wasn't true.

666
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 10: You know, for the first three years he was at

667
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 10: Springs Valley High School and French Lake, he wasn't even

668
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 10: the best player on his own team.

669
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 4: You know.

670
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 10: It wasn't until his senior year and a stunning growth

671
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 10: spurts that changes that he begins to get attention from

672
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 10: Midwestern recruiters.

673
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 2: Mostly.

674
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 10: I've seen some of these recruitment letters Lance. They came,

675
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 10: I regret to inform local fans from University of Cincinnati,

676
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 10: from Miami, of Ohio, Kentucky.

677
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 3: Courted him briefly Louisville.

678
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 10: You know, So is this alternative reality where Larry Bird

679
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 10: could have been a bear cat if you believe that.

680
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 10: But you know, even in that moment where he's getting

681
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 10: recruited by some pretty decent Midwestern basketball schools, he's not

682
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 10: considered a top fifteen player in the state of Indiana.

683
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 2: He's not.

684
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 3: We may have lost, we may have lost Keith. It

685
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 3: sounds like we have.

686
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 10: Unfortunately, It's a sunning thing to think about. But it's true.

687
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wonder he and for those who I think

688
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 4: most probably know he originally enrolled at IU, he was

689
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 4: going to play for Bob Knight, didn't like it, went

690
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 4: back home, I mean, Keith. I guess there's a chance

691
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 4: that he could have gone back home and just kind

692
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 4: of faded away and nothing ever became of him, isn't there?

693
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,760
Speaker 10: I mean, based on my reporting, it's more than a chance.

694
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 10: You know, when Bird leaves Indiana after about three weeks

695
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 10: in September nineteen seventy four, and I pinpointed the exact date,

696
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 10: he hitchhikes home on Friday, September thirteenth, nineteen seventy four.

697
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 10: You know, he very nearly does disappear that winter. You know,

698
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:24,240
Speaker 10: he briefly plays for a vocational school, not a JUCO school,

699
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 10: not a community college. He plays for a vocational school

700
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 10: with about two hundred students. He then dropped out from there,

701
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:36,240
Speaker 10: and by February nineteen seventy five, Larry Bird is playing

702
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 10: glorified pick up men's basketball and what was known as

703
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 10: the Industrial League in rural Indiana. These were teams that

704
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 10: were sponsored by liquor stores, by bars, by construction companies.

705
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 10: Larry is playing with guys who have day jobs and

706
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 10: wives and children and mortgages. He is nearly he is

707
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 10: nearly gone. And were it not for a man named

708
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 10: Bill Hodges, Larry might have disappeared forever.

709
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 4: And I think, and I will always remember this as

710
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 4: a I would have been twelve eleven, twelve years old

711
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 4: coming home, and I always looked forward to the Sports

712
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 4: Illustrated trying to guess who was on the cover. And

713
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 4: I'll never forget seeing Larry Bird on the cover with

714
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 4: two cheerleaders on his side. And it was like the

715
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 4: secret of college basketball, Larry Bird in the Indiana State Sycamores.

716
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 4: I mean, it's hard to believe thinking back where that

717
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 4: story went to that point of leading into the showdown

718
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 4: with Magic and Michigan State eventually.

719
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 10: Yeah, well that cover you're talking about Lance's, you know,

720
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 10: November nineteen seventy seven, you know, Bill Hodges has recruited

721
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 10: Larry to come to Indiana State, you know, a small

722
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 10: school with a basketball program that was teetering on the

723
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 10: edge of oblivion. And you know, within a year and

724
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 10: a half, you know, Larry Bird has proven that he

725
00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 10: is a real star, not just a good player. On

726
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 10: on a small team, but a real star. And that's why,

727
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 10: you know, Sports Illustrated takes a chance and they put

728
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 10: him on that cover in November nineteen seventy seven. And

729
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,959
Speaker 10: I'm sure many folks out there have seen that cover.

730
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 10: It is iconic even fifty years later. I interviewed almost

731
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 10: everyone who was part of that photo shoot, and what's

732
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,919
Speaker 10: fascinating is, you know, Bird doesn't want to be there

733
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 10: that day, no idea why he's even there, and the photographer,

734
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 10: a man named Lane Stewart, actually struggles to get a

735
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 10: photo that will work for the cover. That iconic image

736
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 10: of the cheerleaders whispering.

737
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 2: That was not the original plan.

738
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 10: It was something that Lane Stewart used after he couldn't

739
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 10: get what he wanted from the plan that he had.

740
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 10: But it is really a before and after moment for

741
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 10: Larry Bird. I would argue, you know, again, based on

742
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 10: my reporting, you know, after that Sports Illustrated cover in

743
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 10: November nineteen seventy seven, Larry Bird will never again have

744
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 10: an anonymous day in his life. Much to his chagrin, Keith.

745
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 4: Larry Bird red Auerbach knew what he had and Bird

746
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 4: drafted him a year early.

747
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 3: Take me through the decision.

748
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 4: Why didn't Larry Why did Larry stick with Indiana State

749
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 4: through that?

750
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 10: You know, Larry was nothing if not a man of

751
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 10: his word. It was true then, it's true now. And

752
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 10: he had made a promise to his mother that he

753
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 10: was going to graduate. And so even when you're at

754
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 10: redd aherback drafts him in June nineteen seventy eight with

755
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,280
Speaker 10: the sixth pick in the draft. By the way, five

756
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 10: teams pass on Larry Bird. You know, Larry returns to

757
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 10: school and you know, Redd Arbach said something in this

758
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 10: moment that I think is just incredible. I think this

759
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 10: is a lesson for sports, a lesson for business, a

760
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 10: lesson for life. And I'm paraphrasing here. You know, Arbach

761
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 10: said that a year goes by faster than one thinks,

762
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 10: and a year from now, people are going to kick

763
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 10: themselves that they didn't take a chance on Larry Bird.

764
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 10: And you know, our back is right. You know, he

765
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 10: was not a given star, a proven commodity. In June

766
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 10: nineteen seventy eight, and entering that final year, no one

767
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 10: projected anything great out of Indiana State. But Larry Bird

768
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 10: and this scrappy underdog team they defy all the odds,

769
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 10: and by February nineteen seventy nine, everybody knows that the

770
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 10: five teams who passed on Larry Bird have made a

771
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 10: terrible mistake.

772
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 4: Keith does. He's kind of hard to find these days.

773
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 4: Does anybody know where he is or what he's doing

774
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 4: these days?

775
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 10: You know, Larry Bird wanted to disappear from the limelight

776
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 10: and the spotlight in the late nineteen seventies when he

777
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 10: was becoming a star at Indiana States. And you know,

778
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 10: fifty years later, he seems to have finally pulled off

779
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 10: that trick. You know, he does spend his winters down south,

780
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 10: and he does return every summer to Indiana where he

781
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 10: has a ranch on a big piece of land. You know,

782
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 10: and again, based on the people I talk to, some

783
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 10: of the people closest to Larry V's days, when Larry

784
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 10: arrives at that ranch every May, he scarcely leaves the property.

785
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 10: You know, Larry Bird wanted to disappear fifty years ago,

786
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 10: and it seems he's finally pulled it off.

787
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 3: Man, oh man, I get chills just as you say that.

788
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 4: I'm I'm I'm not all the way through it, but

789
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 4: I love it to this point You've got a couple

790
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 4: of book signings coming up. Tell listeners about the two

791
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 4: signings around these parts coming up.

792
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 10: Well, right, yeah, So Heartland comes out on Tuesday. You

793
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 10: can get it anywhere you buy your books, and I

794
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 10: do have two events in Cincinnati next week. I'll be

795
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 10: at the Campbell County Public Library on Friday, March sixth,

796
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 10: at seven o'clock, and I'll be at Joseph Beth and

797
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 10: Rookwood on Saturday at five o'clock.

798
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 3: Hey, it's a wonderful read.

799
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 4: I'm so happy for you, and I really enjoyed the

800
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 4: Peat book and I'm enjoying this book. Congratulations on it,

801
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 4: and I wish you the best of luck with it

802
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 4: and always good catching up.

803
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 10: Thanks so much, Lenn.

804
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 2: Great to be with you again.

805
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 5: Man.

806
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 3: All right, take care, Keith, have a great night. There

807
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 3: you there you go.

808
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 4: Heartland, a forgotten place, an impossible dream, in the miracle

809
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 4: of Larry Bird. You know, as he mentioned, Larry was

810
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 4: the fifth pick or the sixth pick in that draft.

811
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 4: I just pulled up that draft of nineteen seventy eight.

812
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 4: Michael Thompson goes number one, Portland, Phil Ford goes second.

813
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 4: Rick Roby, Kentucky goes to Indiana at three. Michael Ray

814
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 4: Richardson goes four to the Knicks out of Montana. Purvis

815
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 4: short Jacksonville State University goes to Golden State and read

816
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 4: our back, and the Boston Celtics select Larry Bird Indiana

817
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 4: State University number six.

818
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 3: Unbelievable.

819
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, just the off the radar type of life these days.

820
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 4: And to think of that he had spent what I

821
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 4: think he said it was three weeks on the Bloomington campus,

822
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 4: was gonna play for I, you and Bob Knight. Uh,

823
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 4: it just he didn't feel it wasn't feeling it. It

824
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 4: was a really big campus. And went back home. And

825
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 4: then at that point he ran through the leagues he

826
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 4: was playing in and and just kind of that that

827
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 4: seesaw it goes one way and Larry just kind of

828
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 4: never resurfaces and becomes just like a local figure around

829
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 4: those parts, and the teeter totter seesaw tips the other way,

830
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 4: and Larry Bird winds up in Indiana State. It's up

831
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 4: one of the greatest players of all time. What a

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869
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Speaker 4: Long week for Providence with the blizzard and they had

870
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 4: to move the game a day. The Providence went on

871
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 4: a ten nothing run early. I think that's stretched at

872
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 4: like twenty three to six. Later there was an eleven

873
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 4: to nothing run. At one point it was thirty nine

874
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 4: to sixteen. And keep in mind Xavier had fallen behind

875
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 4: by twenty one in the first half at Butler on Saturday,

876
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 4: and we're down twenty three last night. They did rally

877
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 4: back but ultimately lose by ten. That is the seventh

878
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 4: loss this year for the Musketeers by double digits, and

879
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 4: off the top of my head, I think they have

880
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 4: six or seven losses by five or fewer points. It's

881
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 4: like the oddest thing. Seven of them by double digits,

882
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 4: including thirty and forty point losses, and seven by like

883
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 4: one or one or three or five. They shoot it

884
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 4: well last night, fifty percent from the field, but they

885
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 4: allow Providence to shoot fifty four percent from the field,

886
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,240
Speaker 4: hit nine of eighteen behind the arc. Xavier did score

887
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 4: fifty in the second half to get try to get

888
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 4: back into it, but fall by ten. Here's Richard Pattino

889
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 4: after the game with Joe and Byron.

890
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 6: We just have zero defensive, you know, just identity. We

891
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 6: tried three different pick and roll coverages, we tried two

892
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 6: different zones.

893
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 3: You know, it's just.

894
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 2: Really hard to win that way.

895
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 6: Made some more shots in the second half. Offensively a

896
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 6: little bit rattled in the first half, but obviously shot

897
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 6: sixty one percent in the second half, but they had

898
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 6: two turnovers for the majority of the game, and you know,

899
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 6: a lot of that's isolation basketball, so sometimes I can

900
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 6: turn it over, but we just could not get a

901
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 6: stop to save our life.

902
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 4: Richard Patino after the game with Joe and Byron. There

903
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 4: were a total of nine turnovers in the game. When's

904
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 4: the last time you saw a college basketball game with

905
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 4: the two teams combining for nine. Xavier turned it over

906
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:46,479
Speaker 4: five times, Providence four times. Xavier led for a grand

907
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 4: total of sixty three seconds last night. Next up Saturday

908
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 4: at home against Georgetown. Meanwhile, NKU a winner last night

909
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 4: at Cleveland State eighty one seventy. Norris get their eighteenth

910
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 4: win of the season, tenth in conference. They're ten and

911
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:00,240
Speaker 4: nine in comference.

912
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 3: LJ.

913
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 4: Wells led all players with twenty four points and ten boards,

914
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 4: fifth double double of the season, and Donovoode have a knight.

915
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 4: Scored twenty two points, three rebounds, three blocks. He was

916
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 4: perfect from the field eight of eight from the field,

917
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 4: two of two from three, and four to four at

918
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 4: the line. That is something that no Norse player has

919
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 4: done since they joined Division one when scoring at least

920
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 4: twenty points is go perfect from the field. Next up

921
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 4: Saturday night showdown. I will be there, Kelly will be there.

922
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 4: Can't wait. They wrap up the regular season and one

923
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 4: of those toss the records out the window and get

924
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:39,760
Speaker 4: ready because they go at it. It's NKU and Wright State.

925
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:46,240
Speaker 4: NKU at home. Seven o'clock Tip, be there or B Square.

926
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,240
Speaker 4: Can't wait to see that one and catch the Norse

927
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 4: looking for their nineteenth win of the season. Tomorrow night

928
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 4: in Miami, looking for win number twenty nine, trying to

929
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 4: get to twenty nine to zero. Tomorrow night, they're at

930
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 4: Western Michigan. They have stayed in Michigan. They played Eastern

931
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 4: earlier in the week. Was at Monday or two. I

932
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,280
Speaker 4: think it was Tuesday, and they stayed in Michigan instead

933
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 4: of coming back home in between. They'll play tomorrow night

934
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 4: National TV. That's the CBS Sports Network six o'clock Tip.

935
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 4: Try to stay perfect. Dayton drew Westernhety walked in here

936
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 4: a few minutes ago and proclaimed that Dayton is back.

937
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 4: The Flyers are back. They rolled Saint Louis earlier in

938
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 4: the week. By fifteen, the Flyers have one four straight.

939
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 4: They are at George Washington on Friday night, UC home

940
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 4: to Oklahoma State, on Saturday at two Xavier home to

941
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 4: Georgetown at one thirty is mentioned Kentucky home to Vandy,

942
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 4: and Louisville is at Clemson. That is your Kelsey Chevrolet

943
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 4: College basketball preview. We love the guys at Kelsey Chevrolet.

944
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,760
Speaker 4: All right, we've reached the bottom of the hour, still ahead.

945
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,760
Speaker 4: I think we'll squeeze in Tito and Charlie talking about

946
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 4: the ABS system, which continues to be a fascinating feeling

947
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 4: out process of how it's gonna work.

948
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 3: The challenge when not the challenge, And.

949
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 4: I've got a bird seed story and a Hannes Wagner

950
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 4: baseball card story to get to as well. I think

951
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 4: I can squeeze it all in. We'll see. That's the

952
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 4: challenge put forth. This is RNL Carrier Sports Talk. It

953
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 4: is presented by Kelsey Cherbalat. I'm Lance McAllister. Thanks for

954
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 4: being here today. Let's check news on the home of

955
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 4: the Reds seven hundred WLW. Hey shout out to doctor

956
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 4: Jonathan Hayes and the crew at Saint Elizabeth.

957
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 3: Got my pacemaker check today.

958
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 4: Battery life eight years, eight years left on that baby,

959
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 4: the second one I've had. I will never get used

960
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 4: to and it's a really really simple checkup. But there's

961
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 4: one thing they do that I have yet to get

962
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 4: used to just because of the feeling, and it is

963
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 4: they to test the pacemaker. They will, for lack of

964
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 4: a better word, they'll rev it up. Now, imagine like

965
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 4: sitting in your car at like a stoplight and just

966
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 4: hitting the game revenue room. Well, they say, okay, we're

967
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 4: gonna we're gonna check it out here and my pacemaker

968
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 4: in my chest. It feels like somebody stepping on the

969
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 4: gas and revving up my heart like and I always

970
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 4: like grabbed the chair. They always say okay, here we go,

971
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 4: and I always grabbed the chair. When it happens, I

972
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 4: was like, my heart is going to like race and

973
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 4: run out of my chest for just a second as

974
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 4: they test it out. And then he said, all right,

975
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,439
Speaker 4: looks great, You're great seeing a year and I was done.

976
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:37,280
Speaker 3: It was easy as that, just a little.

977
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 4: Okay, that's enough rooms, let's not do another room. And

978
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 4: then my journey from Saint Elizabeth took me to on

979
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 4: the grocery list this week was bird seed. Now there's

980
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 4: a backstory to this. If you give me just a

981
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 4: second before we get back into the reds driven by

982
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 4: some high bird activity on our back patio during that

983
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 4: patch when it was brutally cold, we put out a

984
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 4: tray of bird seed. They were birds were coming from

985
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 4: everywhere and it was brutally cold, and like, I kind

986
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 4: of felt sorry for him. So we put out a

987
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 4: tray of bird seed, and we became like the most

988
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 4: popular house in the neighborhood. So we ran out of

989
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 4: what remained and Kelly put bird seed on the grill.

990
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 4: I think it's safe to say until today, I had

991
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 4: never I don't recall ever buying bird seed. So I'm

992
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 4: standing in the aisle at the Ace Hardware and Independence

993
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,760
Speaker 4: thinking I just walk in and I grab a bag,

994
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 4: not realizing how many different flavor choices and like for

995
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 4: separate kinds of birds. And it's kind of like when

996
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 4: I go looking for toothpaste, I just want toothpaste, and

997
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 4: you stand and look at that big long aisle at

998
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 4: Kroger and you say there's too many toothpaste choices. Well,

999
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 4: it was the same way with birds seed today. So

1000
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 4: I'm looking and I'm studying, and I'm debating, and like,

1001
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 4: I don't know the difference between like a what is

1002
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 4: it a junco bird and a nut hatch bird or

1003
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 4: a chickadeea, or I know a cardinal. I saw a cardinal.

1004
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,479
Speaker 4: It's red, and it landed on our porch a couple

1005
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 4: of times. But I and I will find myself. I

1006
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:23,479
Speaker 4: think I'm becoming like a ornithologist, I think is the name.

1007
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 4: I kind of find myself watching bird I'll sit in

1008
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 4: the morning and eat breakfast and drink a cup of coffee,

1009
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 4: and we're right by the slotting patio door, and they'll

1010
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 4: land on the deck by the bird seed. And I

1011
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 4: kind of have become fascinated by the birds, So I

1012
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 4: may be an orn ornithologist, I think is the term. Anyway,

1013
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 4: I had to make a decision on the bird seed.

1014
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 4: I ultimately went with the bag of nut and fruit seed.

1015
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 4: I was intrigued by, but ultimately passed on the habinnio

1016
00:54:56,719 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 4: flavored bird seed. And I try to something new every day,

1017
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 4: and today I learned there are multiple types of bird seeds,

1018
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 4: including a hob and nio flavored bird seed, which I'm

1019
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 4: told keeps the squirrels away. In fact, I looked at

1020
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 4: the bag and it had like flames shooting out of it,

1021
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 4: and said, hob a euro flavored wild bird food blend

1022
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:21,399
Speaker 4: with raging squirrel rejection and all this is taking place

1023
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 4: in the isle at the Independence Ace Hardware today and

1024
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 4: I had no idea. But the nut and fruit is

1025
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 4: a delicious blend of sunflower seeds and peanuts and raisins,

1026
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,359
Speaker 4: and that's not like something that okay, that'd be digestible.

1027
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 4: And it said it adds vitamins to support bird health,

1028
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 4: and I'm all for supporting bird health. I didn't go

1029
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 4: with the song bird, which said keeps your birds singing

1030
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:45,800
Speaker 4: year round with the blend of their favorite seeds.

1031
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:47,280
Speaker 3: And I'm looking around him.

1032
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 4: Going, there's too many choices, and I just went with

1033
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 4: a nut and fruit and I was out stopped at

1034
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 4: the front, looked for their baseball cards, usually the first

1035
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:57,439
Speaker 4: in the area to have baseball cards.

1036
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 3: They didn't. They had twenty twenty five packs. So I'll go.

1037
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 3: But I purchased bird seed today at the Ace Hardware

1038
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 3: and Independence and we'll sit and have my breakfast, drink

1039
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,399
Speaker 3: coffee like a ninety seven year old man, and watch

1040
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 3: birds Tomorrow morning.

1041
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 4: I guess let's go back to baseball and salvage. The

1042
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 4: rest of this segment, the early storyline is the abs

1043
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:26,280
Speaker 4: the Automated ball Strike System, and I saw Jesse Rodgers

1044
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 4: of ESPN report that through the first five days of

1045
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 4: spring games there's been an average of four point six

1046
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 4: five challenges. I think the average last year in spring

1047
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 4: training was four point one. So it's a tick up.

1048
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 4: And I understand that because now it's for real, and

1049
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 4: you get the sense that there's a lot of experimenting

1050
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 4: going on, like try it, might as well try it

1051
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 4: and figure out how it's gonna work, and well we

1052
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 4: think of it and if we should do it again.

1053
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 4: So I think we're seeing a higher rate of challenging.

1054
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 4: I think that'll settle down. The one thing I'm noticing

1055
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 4: so far is and I didn't I guess this part

1056
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:04,720
Speaker 4: points to just trying it out. I guess my sense

1057
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 4: for the ABS challenge was there'd be a lot of

1058
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 4: pitches challenge that were like egregious misses, like I can't

1059
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 4: believe you called that a strike challenge that or I

1060
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 4: can't in thinking like the Angel Hernandez mold of challenging,

1061
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 4: like I can't believe you blew that that's a challenge.

1062
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 4: But there have been some and I'm putting my fingers

1063
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 4: really close together. There have been some incredibly like one

1064
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 4: tenth of an inch off the plate that have been challenged,

1065
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 4: which I have no idea how something moving at that

1066
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 4: rap at a rate with that kind of movement, you

1067
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 4: would say, I feel pretty good challenging that and winning

1068
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 4: it by a tenth of an inch. So I think

1069
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 4: ultimately it'll scale back. To this point, there's been a

1070
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 4: fifty three percent overturn rate. Fifty three percent of challenges

1071
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 4: have been overturned. As far as pitchers and catchers challenging

1072
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 4: their challenges have a fifty four percent overturn rate, while

1073
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 4: the hitters are at fifty one percent, so more pitch

1074
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 4: catch challenge that pitch have been overturned. Now, Tito has

1075
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 4: already told his pitchers, I don't want you challenging only catchers.

1076
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 4: And there was one sequence today well, in fact, I

1077
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 4: want to let you hear from Tito and Charlie, then

1078
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 4: i'll tell you the sequence involving Will Benson today that

1079
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 4: played into the strategy.

1080
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 3: Tito was talking with Tommy on the inside.

1081
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 4: Pitch about what he's learned so far and kind of

1082
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 4: what they're cataloging in terms of what they're going to

1083
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 4: do with ABS. Here's Terry Francona, take a listen.

1084
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 11: It's going to be quite the strategy when this is

1085
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 11: all said and done. And the reason I say that

1086
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 11: is like yesterday was a good example because he got

1087
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 11: used a lot yesterday and Kansas City burned our second one.

1088
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 11: And I remember when after that second one, I was like, okay,

1089
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 11: And there were some pitches late in the game you

1090
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 11: could tell they were like they wanted to challenge and

1091
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 11: they couldn't. So you need to be mindful of that

1092
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 11: because it's real. And there was times where we you know,

1093
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 11: we had we would have had a runner on first

1094
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 11: with two outs and as instead we had first inside

1095
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 11: with one out. So it's real and we got to

1096
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 11: treat it like that. And everybody has an opinion and

1097
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 11: we're gonna have to sift through that and try to

1098
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 11: see what we think is. But you want to be

1099
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 11: able to impact the game for yourself the best way

1100
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 11: you can.

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00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 2: It's not gonna be perfect, we know that.

1102
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just I think the more evidence is gathered,

1103
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 4: the more it's going to sync in that it's just

1104
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 4: not it's just not ball or strike. There is a

1105
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 4: greater level of consequences to this, and that's why I

1106
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 4: asked Charlie earlier this week, and I love the analogy

1107
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 4: you're going to hear Charlie make about a football game

1108
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 4: and somebody up in the booth to be an advisor. Now,

1109
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 4: you can't have that in baseball. And baseball it's got

1110
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 4: to be instantaneous. It's boom challenge or we're moving on.

1111
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 4: You can't say time looked in the dugout, somebody looking

1112
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 4: at a monitor thumbs up or thumbs down. The umpire

1113
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 4: will disregard your challenge. It's got to be instant So

1114
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 4: listen to what Charlie said this week about what he

1115
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 4: gathered in the opening weekend of watching ABS playout.

1116
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 5: Yeah.

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01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 9: I don't know if this is like the football in me,

1118
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 9: I feel like teams need to be taking this like

1119
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 9: I feel like teams need an analytics guy in the

1120
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 9: booth almost helping with challenges in baseball the way you

1121
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 9: see in football. You know, it's Sam Francis with the Bengals. Now,

1122
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 9: the difference is the batter has to decide on their own.

1123
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 9: But for example, I.

1124
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 2: Thought the Red lost.

1125
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Speaker 9: The game on Saturday, not that it mattered in all

1126
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 9: the results, but the game turned because of ABS strategy

1127
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 9: because the red lost their their final challenge, they then

1128
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 9: couldn't use one later and the Mariners had a successful

1129
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 9: challenge that completely turned the in. And so the further

1130
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 9: I dive into this rabbit hole, the more I see

1131
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 9: ways to improve your for lack of a better static

1132
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 9: win probability added by one percent, two percent, three percent

1133
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 9: based on challenging in the right situations, Like if a

1134
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 9: ton of green on the mount and it's a one

1135
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 9: to one count, and it could make it a two

1136
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 9: strike count. I like Hunter Green with two strike. You know,

1137
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 9: maybe that's less important for a ground ball pitcher like

1138
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 9: rock Burke, like their hitters were great with two stripes.

1139
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 9: Stir hitters who can't hit with two strikes. I see

1140
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 9: all of these scenarios where if you have a sign

1141
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 9: that can hey keep in mind, maybe just challenge on

1142
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 9: this plant. You know, you get that set in advance

1143
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 9: that could set teams up for if the scenario arises.

1144
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 9: Make sure you using it.

1145
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 2: For the most advantageous part.

1146
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 3: I think that's I think that's fascinating.

1147
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 4: Earlier today and I'm trying to remember, I think I

1148
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 4: recall the sequence specifically to Will Benson. I want to

1149
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 4: say Will had a two two count and the pitch

1150
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 4: was a called strike three. Don't hold me to this,

1151
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be close. Called strike three, and Will challenged.

1152
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 4: He won the challenge, which moved the count to three

1153
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 4: to two in his favor instead of a strikeout. He

1154
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 4: then coached a walk on the next pitch, and it

1155
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 4: extended the inning and really opened up the for the

1156
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 4: Reds and the ability to do that. I mean, think

1157
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 4: about the ability. Say you've a pitcher on the ropes

1158
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 4: who's maybe thrown a lot of pitches, or he's in trouble,

1159
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 4: and he throws a pitch that seemingly gets him out

1160
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 4: of the inning with a called strike three, and maybe

1161
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 4: it's the third inning, or maybe it's the second inning.

1162
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 4: You don't necessarily want to burn a challenge that early.

1163
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 4: But in terms of leverage, high leverage, bases loaded. If

1164
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 4: you can swing that to instead of a strike three,

1165
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 4: a ball four, extends the inning, continues to run up

1166
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 4: the pitch count that and it's all back to when

1167
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 4: was it I think it was yesterday? Was it Kansas City?

1168
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 3: Yesterday?

1169
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 4: They ran out of challenges in the second inning and

1170
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 4: we're done.

1171
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 3: They lost both of.

1172
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 4: Them, So I just I don't think anybody has a

1173
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 4: firm grasp on just how to use it at this point.

1174
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 4: And that's why I think it's being you so often

1175
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 4: is like an experimental run. I don't think we're gonna

1176
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 4: see as many during the regular season, but I think

1177
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 4: there's gotta be a lot of thought put into and maybe,

1178
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 4: as Charlie alluded to, even the pregame like scouting, including hey,

1179
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:20,959
Speaker 4: let's keep this in mind exhibit ABC XYZ of something

1180
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 4: to keep in mind with this pitcher or a scenario

1181
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 4: during this game.

1182
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 3: Well head down the stretch. I want to get to that.

1183
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 4: Hanaswagner a baseball card note a couple of things that

1184
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 4: happened on this date in baseball histories.

1185
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 3: We uh wrap it up. It's r Now Carrier Sports.

1186
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 4: Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet seven hundred WW. You know,

1187
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 4: this morning, I awoke to a winter wonderland in northern

1188
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 4: Kentucky and independence I mean gigantic snowflakes, ground covered, trees covered.

1189
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 3: It looked like a snow globe.

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Speaker 4: I had to I had to get a broom out

1191
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 4: of the garage and brush the snow off of my

1192
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 4: car before going to the cardiologist.

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01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 3: By eleven o'clock. It was bright sunshine.

1194
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 4: The sun was out and melting the snow, and the

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01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 4: snow was gone two and a half hours later from

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01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 4: a winter wonderland at eight to eleven thirty, no recognition

1197
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Speaker 4: of snow whatsoever.

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Speaker 3: It was that kind of day Saturday night.

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Speaker 4: A nineteen oh nine T two oh six Honis Wagner

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01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 4: card sold for five point one million dollars. Golden Auctions

1201
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:37,400
Speaker 4: sold it. It's the third highest sale of the iconic

1202
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 4: T two o six Wagner baseball card. It was a

1203
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 4: PSA one grated card. They're greater on a scale of

1204
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 4: one to ten, ten being pristine mint. This is a

1205
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 4: one still sold for five point one million. Ken Golden,

1206
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 4: the founder of Golden Auctions, said this is the biggest

1207
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 4: discovery in the hobby in the past fifty years. He said,

1208
01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 4: I've never been able to trace a Wagner card that

1209
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 4: had state in one family since the day the card

1210
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 4: came out. The family had had it for one hundred

1211
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 4: and sixteen years. They inherited the card from their grandfather,

1212
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 4: who owned a silver manufacturing plant and started collecting trading

1213
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 4: cards in the early nineteen hundreds, and he pulled the

1214
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 4: Wagner card from an original cigarette pack around that time,

1215
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 4: and he kept it as part of a framed collection

1216
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 4: and passed it down through the family, preserved by the

1217
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 4: grandsons Doug and Dennis and Douglas Shields. I believe it

1218
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 4: was the card received a PS one grade after it

1219
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 4: was removed from the framed collection, so it lost some value.

1220
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 4: Of the thirty six examples of the card graded by

1221
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 4: PSA ten have A one grade. There's only fifty three

1222
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 4: known cards in existence. And as the story goes, the

1223
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 4: card was pulled from production by the American Tobacco Company

1224
01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 4: at the request of Hannis Wagner in nineteen oh nine.

1225
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 4: And some will say it was because he he hated

1226
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 4: smoking and didn't want his image and a pack of cigarettes,

1227
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 4: thought it was a bad thing for kids to see.

1228
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 4: And others say it was because he didn't want anybody

1229
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 4: profiting from his name in likeness.

1230
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 3: And I l back in nineteen oh six.

1231
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 4: But can you imagine a card passed down within the

1232
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 4: family for one hundred and sixteen years and finally sold

1233
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 4: for five point one million dollars. All right, let's figure

1234
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 4: out what happened on this date in sports history and

1235
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 4: we'll be on our way to the West Miller Show,

1236
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 4: and then Dan Carroll. This date, nineteen thirty five, thirty

1237
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 4: nine year old Babe Ruth released by the Yankees. He'd

1238
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 4: hit two eighty eight with twenty two homers and eighty

1239
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:45,440
Speaker 4: four ribies this season before the Boston Braves signed him

1240
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 4: for twenty thousand dollars and a share in the team's profits.

1241
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 4: He'd hit just one point eighty one in seventy two

1242
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 4: at bats in his final season as a Boston Brave.

1243
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 4: Nineteen sixty four, On this date, boxer Casius Clay announces

1244
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 4: he's changing his name to Muhammad Ali. By the way,

1245
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 4: my daughter sent me a text today the wordle is

1246
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 4: lance today.

1247
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 3: She said, do you play wordal? I said yeah, she

1248
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 3: says play today.

1249
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 4: And then Wanida tweeted me a few minutes ago and said,

1250
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 4: have you played it today?

1251
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 3: It's your name.

1252
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 4: Nineteen sixty seven, On this state, Mario Andretti wins the

1253
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 4: Daytona five hundred by pulling away in the closing laps.

1254
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:28,919
Speaker 4: It's Andretti's first and only NASCAR Grand National event. I'm

1255
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 4: not so sure, but I think I said this last year.

1256
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 4: I don't know that I knew that Mario Andretti won

1257
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 4: the Daytona five hundred at any point. He's the only

1258
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 4: person born outside of the United States to win the

1259
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:42,160
Speaker 4: Daytona five hundred. Nineteen eighty nine, on this date, historical

1260
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:46,439
Speaker 4: day for football. Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones fires Tom

1261
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:50,920
Speaker 4: Landry after twenty nine seasons. The Cowboys had posted twenty

1262
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 4: straight winning seasons nineteen sixty six to nineteen eighty five,

1263
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 4: including two Super Bowl titles, but they went seven to nine,

1264
01:07:56,920 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 4: seven and eight, and three and thirteen, and the Cowboys

1265
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 4: hadn't won a playoff game in seven seasons. The Hall

1266
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 4: of Fame coach won two hundred and fifty regular season games,

1267
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:11,479
Speaker 4: fifth most all time. Nineteen ninety eight, on this date,

1268
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 4: the Bengals trade their nineteen ninety four number one draft pick,

1269
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 4: the number one pick overall, Big Daddy Wilkinson, to Washington

1270
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:26,439
Speaker 4: for a first and third rounder. Big Daddy showed up

1271
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 4: in Mike Brown's office, signed his franchise tag, which was

1272
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 4: three point two million, then signs a five year, twenty

1273
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 4: one million dollars deal with the Redskins, with it sitting

1274
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:40,799
Speaker 4: on Mike Brown's desk. The Commanders had get I assume

1275
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:43,000
Speaker 4: faxed it over and they said, all right, you have

1276
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 4: to sign the franchise tag.

1277
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 3: All right, do that.

1278
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 4: Now the trade can be invoked, and here's your new deal.

1279
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:52,080
Speaker 4: The Bengals got the seventeenth pick in the draft and

1280
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 4: the seventy eighth pick in the draft. They selected linebacker

1281
01:08:56,160 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 4: Brian Simmons and guard Brian Goff. This date, in nineteen

1282
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 4: ninety eight, twenty twelve, Pete Weber wins a record fifth

1283
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:08,799
Speaker 4: US Open Bowling championship. Weber surpassed his father, Dick Weber,

1284
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 4: who won the tournament four times, as did Donkurter, and

1285
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 4: then uttered a very famous line that has lived forever

1286
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:23,559
Speaker 4: in the history of bowling. When it comes to Pete Webber,

1287
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:26,679
Speaker 4: he said, and I quote, who do you think you are?

1288
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 3: I am? In just a classic rant.

1289
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 4: In twenty eighteen, finally, this date, the top ranked Yukon

1290
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 4: women completed undefeated regular season for the tenth time in

1291
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 4: program history.

1292
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:40,720
Speaker 2: Believable.

1293
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:42,600
Speaker 4: All right, I gotta get out of here. Thanks to

1294
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:44,719
Speaker 4: Joe what Elf for producing, Thanks to you for taking

1295
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 4: a listen.

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Speaker 3: Stick around.

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Speaker 4: West Miller Show followed the news, followed by The West

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Speaker 4: Miller Show, and then Dan Carroll. This is RNL carrier

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