1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: Penguins lost four to three at Anaheim last night despite 2 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:09,719 Speaker 1: getting a very early two zero lead. The goaltending and 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: defense are gonna kill him and did last night. Brasiers 4 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: scored again. That's four goals already, just sixty three seconds 5 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:23,760 Speaker 1: in and bang Money shot just like a young man 6 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: coming in from Kavicy. I feel so unseatisfied. But they lost. 7 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: Uh Watherspoon took a late Delaya Gay penalty, Carlson Latang 8 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: were terrible on defense. Josh gets off to play by 9 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: play guy on TV passed out between the second and 10 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 1: third period. I didn't think they were playing that bad. 11 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: Looks like Josh is gonna be okay. This is the 12 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: Mart Maddon Show. Do I sound better? I feel a 13 00:00:55,800 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: bit better. I'm not sure I sound better. You can 14 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: follow me on Twitter at Mark mad X. This game 15 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: in Cincinnati feels like a typical Tomlin trap game, don't it. 16 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: But at this point, don't they all feel like typical 17 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: Tomlin trap games? Remember Flacco beat the Steelers within the 18 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: last year and Tomlin is I think? Is it oh 19 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: to six against division opponents on the road in Thursday 20 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: night football. That's meaningless, but let's run with it. Maybe 21 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: the Steelers will hurt Flacco or maybe he'll just turn 22 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: to dust organically because he's so old. This game, My god, 23 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,559 Speaker 1: what are they calling it? The icy Hotbull two forty 24 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: year old quarterbacks? This is like that Sidefeld episode with 25 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: that old fitness instructor Lloyd Bridges. It's go time, mand 26 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: O bomb, Mando Bomb, Mando bomb, and then the Steelers 27 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: will be five and one, which is exactly what they 28 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: need to be and exactly what was expected. I hear 29 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: the bad team saying, Tom, what isn't getting the credit 30 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: he deserves? 31 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 2: Uh? Okay, credit for what? 32 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: This narrative doesn't change at all until Tom Will wins 33 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: a playoff game. 34 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 2: Let's not bring on Tommy Radio. Tom. 35 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: Here's something I'm wondering. Who covers Chase and who covers Higgins? 36 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: How's that gonna break down? 37 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 2: Yeah? 38 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 3: I'm really curious about that too. They tend to put 39 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,519 Speaker 3: Joey Porter Junior on T Higgins. Last year he followed 40 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 3: T Higgins around. Remember they did the hack a shack 41 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 3: thing because he had like six defensive pass interferences and 42 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:33,679 Speaker 3: Tom was like, sometimes you just got a hack shack 43 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 3: in the end zone and it's like yeah, but this 44 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,079 Speaker 3: time Burrow gets the ball on the one, So not 45 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 3: the same thing, but I think that that's what they're 46 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 3: gonna do. And then I I want to see Ramsey 47 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 3: take Chase a lot, and then I'd throw Echos in 48 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 3: the slot and I'd go up to Darius Slay and 49 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 3: I just say, this is a matchup specific thing, but 50 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 3: you're not gonna play your usual workload today. 51 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: Well, Ramsey was supposed to follow the other team's top 52 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: receiver on the field, but that hasn't happened barely at 53 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: all this year. If it's me, I double up on 54 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: Higgins because he's more physical, bigger, stronger, harder to cover 55 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: because of those attributes. 56 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 2: And yeah, I would put Ramsey on Chase, but I 57 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 2: don't know what they do. 58 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: I'll suspect they We'll just go with what's been working, 59 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: which is, you know, the guys line up where they 60 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 1: light up. 61 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 3: Or have Porter follow Higgins around the field and then 62 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 3: have Sleigh with a lot of help take on Jamar 63 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:28,519 Speaker 3: Chase most of the time. 64 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it ain't nobody followed anybody all year. 65 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: Tom gone totally against the green with what the purpose 66 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: of signing Ramsey was supposed to be that said, Ramsey's 67 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: been brilliant. 68 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 2: It has changed the whole defense around. 69 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 3: I'm just reading into what they usually did with Joey 70 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 3: against Higgins in the past, and the fact that Joey 71 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 3: hasn't been healthy all year. You know, the Cleveland game 72 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 3: was really his first game of the season. He got 73 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 3: hurt so early in the Jets game. I just think 74 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 3: eckles emergence as a real player in that secondary helps 75 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 3: you out so much with this problem, because I think 76 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 3: they'd be wondering, do we really want to pull Ramsey 77 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 3: away from the slot? Slagh can't play the slot as well, 78 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 3: if at all. That kind of opens up a hole 79 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 3: in our defense there, but Echo stills that in so 80 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 3: nicely because he's a pure slot corner. 81 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: Well, all this discussion indication is going to be maybe 82 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: tougher than we're anticipating, and I think we anticipated to 83 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: be difficult covering those guys with Flacco, who has a 84 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: lively arm despite his age. You heard tom on on Monday, 85 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: is he scared of Flaco? Flacco beat the Steelers last 86 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 1: year with Indy. 87 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 3: He's too scared of Flacco. I don't know why you 88 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 3: would be so scared of him. Now, was his bogey quarterback. 89 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,559 Speaker 3: His ten wins against the Steelers all time, at second 90 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 3: most behind Ken Anderson. I didn't know that until I 91 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 3: saw that stat today, So I guess there is some 92 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 3: merit to why Tomlin views him as a bit of 93 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 3: a boogeyman. But it's still Flacco, like he was a 94 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:44,359 Speaker 3: punchline back. When he was on the Ravens mark, it 95 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 3: was like, oh, you better not lose to Flacco. 96 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, but Tom was so full. 97 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: Of crap about trading in the division, trading to a rival, 98 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: same with BA. That's just old school nonsense. And it 99 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: should be noted Flacco broke in pretty good, pretty quick 100 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: with Cincinnati, despite having all must no time to learn 101 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 1: the playbook. Two hundred nineteen yards, two touchdowns, no interceptions 102 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: against Green Bay, admittedly in a loss. 103 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 3: And the big takeaway was twenty targets combined for Higgins 104 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 3: and Chase. I mean, he was just spamming the ball 105 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 3: towards Higgins and Chase. And that's that's why they traded 106 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 3: for him, because they knew, you know what, Browning sucks. 107 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 3: Let's just get a guy that's gonna throw the ball 108 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 3: up to those two as much as possible, and you 109 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 3: saw the one Chase touchdown that made it kind of 110 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 3: a game late against Green Bay. I mean, Chase is 111 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 3: the best receiver in football for a reason. Just throw 112 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 3: it up in a double team, he'll come down with it. 113 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: Given how bad that Cincinnati defense is, it's a lot 114 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: at least twenty seven points against in every game but one. 115 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: Will the Steelers offense expand its horizons at all? 116 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 3: Do you mean as far as the style that they 117 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 3: play now, they'll do the same thing that they've been doing. 118 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 3: But I think it's going to be very successful against Cincinnati. 119 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 3: I think they're going to score a lot of points 120 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 3: in this game. 121 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: See, i'd come on throwing against that defense, kind of 122 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: like you did last year with Russ Just airball or 123 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 1: bomb at all game long against Burrow and then of course, 124 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 1: even though they won a high scoring again they went 125 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: to the Rock Fight, they lost. I just don't see that. 126 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: Like Austin is already ruled out. 127 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 3: We just got that from practice today that he's not 128 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 3: going to be playing in this game tomorrow. 129 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 2: Hey, don't get no targets anyway. 130 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 3: What do you do though, Like, if you do want 131 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 3: to expand your offense, is a Roman Wilson you just 132 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 3: throw him out there and see if he sinks or swims. Like, 133 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 3: do you expand with the tight ends? I don't know. 134 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 3: I really don't know what you know, changing the offense, 135 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 3: expanding the offense, opening it up. Looks like for this team, 136 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 3: they're just going to be the jumbo package. They're going 137 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 3: to throw to DK a lot, and they'll use their 138 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 3: running backs at a higher percentage than most teams do. 139 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 3: I think that's just going to be consistent all year. 140 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: Now we hear again that the Raiders might be looking 141 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 1: to trade ja Kobe Mars, but the Steelers don't want him. 142 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: The Steelers don't think they need him. The Steelers are 143 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 1: fine with what they've got. 144 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 2: Am I right? Am I right? 145 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 3: You're right about those last two things. Especially, they think 146 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 3: that they're good with what they got, They think they 147 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,239 Speaker 3: don't need him. I think it's just such a missed 148 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 3: opportunity when you have potentially a four game lead on 149 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 3: the division after this week plays out, to not strike, 150 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 3: to not go and try to get a guy like 151 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 3: that and put you over the top, guarantee that you'll 152 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 3: win the division and then give yourself a really good 153 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 3: chance at home in the playoffs. 154 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: What does it say about the NFL and it's quarterbacks 155 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:07,919 Speaker 1: when you got two forty year olds starting in this game. 156 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 2: I don't know. 157 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 3: It's only the third time it's happened, so it's not 158 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:11,679 Speaker 3: like it happens all the time. 159 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: No, No, But here's what it's symptomatic of. This league 160 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: doesn't give young quarterbacks a chance. Now, I'm not saying 161 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: that Cincinnati should be playing Jake Browning instead there in 162 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: an extreme position because of Joe Burrow. I'm not saying 163 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: that the Steelers should have, you know, started Mason Rudolph. 164 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: We wait, really a young quarterback no more. But boy, 165 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: it seems like if you're a decent quarterback, you can 166 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: play forever in this league. And the examples are numerous. 167 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 3: Well, that's true. Like if you have some success as 168 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 3: a quarterback, you're in it forever, as long as you 169 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 3: want to be as a backup, a journeyman, a guy. 170 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 3: I mean, they'll call guys off the couch that are 171 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 3: bums to come in and help save a team. That's 172 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 3: what happened a Flacco two years ago with the Browns. 173 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 3: He was done on his couch and they called him 174 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 3: and begged him and said, please come back. And help us, 175 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 3: and he got him to the playoffs. Three out of 176 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 3: the four quarterbacks that have played in those head to 177 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 3: head matchups as forty year olds are all time greats 178 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 3: Brady Breeze when head to head a couple times in Rogers. 179 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 3: Flacco's not. But I'm saying like it's rare. I think 180 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 3: when you get to this, and. 181 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: I'm a big believer in youth being served, I think 182 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: the Brons in their position at one in five were 183 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: wise to trade Flacco, whise, to give Dylan Gabriel the 184 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: starting job, even giving Shador Stabs at some point, maybe 185 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: starting him later in the season. 186 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 2: I could even see that. But on the other hand, you. 187 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: Look at the guy like Zach Wilson who was drafted 188 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: second overall, and he just hasn't turned out so many 189 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: young quarterbacks. Pryce Young too, I mean, hasn't really turned 190 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,839 Speaker 1: out so many young quarterbacks. What is like a fifty 191 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: to fifty shot. Yeah, if you draft a quarterback in 192 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: the first round that he's even a legitimate. 193 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 3: Starter, no doubt, there's a definite high chance of busting there. 194 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 3: I think it's just they're so desperate for quarterbacks sometimes 195 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 3: that you overrate some of these prospects that come out 196 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:50,199 Speaker 3: of college because getting that franchise guy means everything for 197 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,079 Speaker 3: an organization, So I think that plays into it. It's 198 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 3: just like the desperation is what you yields the fifty 199 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,719 Speaker 3: to fifty kind of odds when you go in on 200 00:08:58,760 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 3: the first round on quarterbacks. 201 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: That XGM dude, the local guy, he said that Cleveland 202 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,199 Speaker 1: traded Flacco to Cincinnati to try and screw the Steelers, 203 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: like the whole football world revolves around the frigging Steelers. 204 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: I just I refuse to believe that even entered remotely 205 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: into Cleveland's thinking, and also too with Cleveland, their owner 206 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: wants Shador to play. He traded Flacco, the coach didn't 207 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: even know it was coming. Clearly this is trying to 208 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,199 Speaker 1: clear the path for Shador to more easily play. 209 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 3: Not enough people are talking about that on a national 210 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 3: level either, that this is a clear owner meddling into 211 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 3: the situation. 212 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 2: Especially after Stefanski said what he said. 213 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 3: Well, I have a little theory. Tomlin and Stefanski are 214 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 3: not friends, but they're acquaintances. They've played each other a lot. 215 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 3: I'm sure they hang out at meetings together. They talk 216 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:48,959 Speaker 3: on the field before games, do you think Stefanski might 217 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:50,719 Speaker 3: have been like spilling the beans a little bit to 218 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 3: him and being like, I can't believe they did that 219 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 3: to me. I can't believe they just you know, blindsided 220 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 3: me like that. So Mike Tomlin, like the Brotherhood of 221 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 3: Coaches comes to the podium and kind of defends him 222 00:09:58,320 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 3: a little bit by throwing Andrew Berry under the bus. 223 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 2: Yes, I just know I wouldn't want to hang out 224 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 2: with Tomlin. Uh. 225 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: Joe Hayden said that if Toma was in Cleveland that 226 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: they wouldn't be in this situation. First off, Joe, you're 227 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: you're not on the Steelers anymore. You don't have to 228 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: kiss the coasts ass now. But do you do you 229 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: feel like like, I don't think tom On would change 230 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: that much with the Browns. I think Stefanski's a better 231 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: coach than Tomlin, coaching the year twice, beat Tomlin in 232 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: a playoff. 233 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 2: Game without even being there that game because of COVID. 234 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 3: Do you think any coach would really change the Browns? Like, 235 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 3: it's just kind of a stupid thing to say the 236 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 3: Browns is the Browns? Like Juju said, they. 237 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: Always well like like I always say, there are certain 238 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: teams in the NFL whose DNA is so fouled that 239 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: it will take just something monumental to turn their fortune around. 240 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: The Jets or one even more so, and the Browns 241 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 1: are another. 242 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 2: Just around the corner. 243 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about who has been the biggest difference 244 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: maker among the new Steelers. It's the mart Man Show, 245 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 1: the pregame show brought to us by the personal injury 246 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 1: expert Sender Rovinschendrorovits and Fisherman one. 247 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 2: iHeart Radio alter. 248 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: It. 249 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 3: It's the mark Man on one. 250 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 2: DX Double m Onto X. 251 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk at length more about how the Steelers 252 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: handle Jamar Chason T. Higgins, who covers who and how many? 253 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: Like I said to Tommy Radio a minute ago, we 254 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: got told Ramsey was gonna follow the other team's top white. 255 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: Not a round that hasn't happened. But I can't criticize 256 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: it because the defense has been real good and in 257 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 1: fact changed by Ramsey's presence and his versatility. The talk 258 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: for the Steelers to get the top seed in the 259 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: AFC is really cooking now. After Buffalo lost to Atlanta 260 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: on Monday. I wasn't in yesterday, but I did watch 261 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: that game, and I think you figured out on your 262 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: own the Bejon Robinson is just amazing, by far, the 263 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: best running back in the league. So Buffalo has lost 264 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: two in a row, and like I said, the dream 265 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 1: of the Steelers getting the number one seed in the AFC, 266 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:21,079 Speaker 1: it is alive, and it's possible. You beat SINCI year 267 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: five and one, and then it's home games against Green 268 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: Bay and Indy and then at the LA Chargers. If 269 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 1: you're seven and two at that point, if you win 270 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: two out of those three, if you win two out 271 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: of three against some good teams that you're finally playing, 272 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:39,599 Speaker 1: then yeah, maybe Tom wants your prediction. How will the 273 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: Steelers do assuming they beat Cincinnati in those three games, 274 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 1: Green Bay, Indie, both at home and at the LA Chargers. 275 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 3: I can't shake the feeling that they're gonna go one 276 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 3: and two in that stretch. They absolutely have to be 277 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 3: two and one if they're the team that everybody's pretending 278 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 3: that they are, and maybe they are that team. After 279 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 3: the Browns win, then you win two of those games. 280 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 3: You got two of them at home. The Chargers look 281 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 3: broken right now, so that's not an intimidating road game. 282 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 3: They're injured all over their offensive line. They don't have 283 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,199 Speaker 3: any running backs, so two out of three has to happen. 284 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 3: I just I feel skeptical still that until I see it, 285 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna believe it. 286 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: Actually, I think the Cincinnati game is an earlier proven guy, 287 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: like we got some sound later we're gonna play from 288 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: Steven A. 289 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 2: Smith. 290 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: If the Steelers are who we think they are, they 291 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: should have no problem with Cincinnati. 292 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I want to see them measure up against 293 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,559 Speaker 3: the legitimately good team Green Bay. I think we're ready 294 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 3: to call Indie a legitimately good team. 295 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:32,439 Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no. 296 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: What I'm saying is if they, if they somehow would 297 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:38,839 Speaker 1: stumble against Cincinnati, it delegitimizes them before the good teams. 298 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 3: Have a chance to even if it's you know, a 299 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 3: rock fighting game on Thursday Night football, that they just 300 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 3: come away with a win in because a win's a win. Mark, 301 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 3: I don't know if you've heard that. 302 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:50,439 Speaker 1: I have, indeed not least quite a bit lately. But 303 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: uh hey, you know what I said before the season, 304 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: They need to start five to one. Yes, I wasn't 305 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: sure which game they blow, but it was the Seattle game. 306 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: They should really, I mean, they were better than all 307 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: the teams they played till now, better than the six 308 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,199 Speaker 1: teams including Cincinnati on Thursday. 309 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 2: That's minus Burrow. 310 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 3: Of course, Funny enough, they might not have been better 311 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 3: than the Jets, like that might have been the only 312 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 3: game that they got out played. 313 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: That might be the best game the Jets play all year. Now, 314 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: Now I asked this before, Tom, Who's been the biggest 315 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: difference maker among the new Steelers. Isn't Ramsey. It's gotta 316 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: be Rogers, right, I mean, well, I mean, I I 317 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: know it's a little hanging fruit, but I think Rudolph 318 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: could do most of what Rodgers has done. Although Rogers 319 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: is the guy at the moment of truth, but Ramsey 320 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: has changed the entire approach to the defense. His versatility, 321 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: his ability to be I keep using this phrase a 322 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: Swiss army knife. 323 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 3: Rogers still has those wow throws that Rudolph could never 324 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 3: dream of making most quarterbacks could never dream of making. 325 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: And pre snap I just you never have the guts 326 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: to try, to man, and you're right about the pre snap. 327 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: His value pre snap is just incalculable. But Ramsey's. If 328 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: I go Rogers, Ramsey would be my second choice. I 329 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: think He's been the best player on the defensive side 330 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: of the ball, save maybe Nick Herbig coming up on 331 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: the outside. He's been their most impactful defender. 332 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 2: You know what I hate. 333 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: About all the Nick Herbig discussion. And don't get me wrong, 334 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: he's great. They have to trade high Smith and Season's 335 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: in no doubt, so Herbig and Watt are the starters. 336 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: I think that the modern day warrior Jack Sawyer can 337 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: do a good enough job. Is the third edge rusher. 338 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: You save some cap, you can maybe improve your team elsewhere. 339 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: I do worry about herbig susceptibility to injury, but certainly 340 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: that is stricken high Smith. I don't know lately more 341 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: than Herbig even But I don't like when people say 342 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: that Herbig is a better pure pass rusher than TJ. 343 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 2: Watt. First off, what's that even mean pure? I don't 344 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 2: get it. 345 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: Second off, her Big benefits from operating and watch shadow. 346 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: So I'm not the biggest t J. Watt fan because 347 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: I think he's a blowhard and a gym teacher. But 348 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: in terms of who's the better pass rusher, it's not 349 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: even close. 350 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 2: It's TJ. Wattt. 351 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 3: It kind of gives you the vibes of Juju winning 352 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 3: that team MVP because AB just took all the coverage 353 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 3: that year. Remember, and Juji put up a huge season. 354 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 2: It's just because he didn't like AB. 355 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 3: That was part of it. 356 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: But one of those team MVPs are just a popularity contest. 357 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 3: But what I was going with that analogy was like 358 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 3: Juju was swimming in AB's wake and he was benefiting 359 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 3: from it. And that's definitely happening with her Big. Credit 360 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 3: to her Big. I think he's just no knock on 361 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 3: her big. I think he's a fantastic pass rusher. But 362 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 3: let's see how Watt would do if he was getting 363 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 3: a lot of those one on one being left out 364 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 3: on an island matchups like Herbig gets because of what. 365 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: You know, who else I put up there in terms 366 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: of changing the team is Derek Harmon. People said that 367 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: one guy couldn't fix the run defense. Well he's come 368 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: pretty close. The run defense has been a lot better 369 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: since he healed up and got in there. He's changed 370 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: the look of that the approach in the trenches, and 371 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: he's made Kan who met in a much better place. 372 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 3: Yes, the trickle down is so evident, And now why 373 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 3: you're black, I think can be put into a role 374 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 3: that's more appropriate for him as a rookie, a fifth 375 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 3: round pick. It's it's really perfect. It looks like it's 376 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 3: going to be a really good draft pick for the Steelers, 377 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 3: and they don't have many of those lately, Mark, So 378 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 3: kudos for them to nail him. And they needed to 379 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 3: because Cam Hayward's actually settled into playing really good this year. 380 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 3: Just solid Cam Hayward season, But he had no one 381 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 3: that was evident that he could pass that baton off to. 382 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 3: Harmon is clearly a top defensive tackle on a team. 383 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 2: I don't think Cam's gonna get his bonuses though. 384 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: To you, no, I don't no soup for you. 385 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 3: It's not looking good for him. 386 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 2: Well, you know what when we said that everybody stay 387 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 2: faced with that agreement. Not really. 388 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean maybe at the time Cam got 389 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: the okie dope and we accepted that, but he lost. 390 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 3: At least he's playing well though at least that the 391 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 3: beginning of the year. I was a little bit nervous 392 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 3: because he did not look good in that Jets game, Like, 393 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 3: is this when the kind of table falls out from 394 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 3: underneath Cam Hayward. He's too old now, but he looks fine. 395 00:17:58,240 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 3: You know what's funny, Tom, is that. 396 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 1: Every game for the Steelers because I think they're such 397 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 1: a tight rope to get to the next level, to 398 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: finally win a playoff game. I think they need a 399 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: home game. I think they need to win a division. 400 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: I think they need even if they do win the division, 401 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 1: the right opponent in the wildcard round. Ironically, if they 402 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,679 Speaker 1: would somehow get the top seed in the AFC, it 403 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: would give them a great opponent in their first playoff game, 404 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: and they might not win it. Then again, if you're 405 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 1: the number one seed, you get whoever pulls the upset 406 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 1: in the wildcard round, which is something you could you 407 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: could do well by. But my point is, it feels 408 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: like the Steelers don't beat Cincinnati if Flacco comes in 409 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: and beats them at quarterback for the Bengals, in some ways, 410 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 1: they're four and two and almost back to square one. 411 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 2: I'm probably wrong about that, but maybe I'm not. 412 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 3: I would think the Ravens have some life if that happens. 413 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 3: If the Bengals beat the Steelers. 414 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 2: Oh no, I don't. 415 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 1: I don't think that. I think the Steelers. I think 416 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 1: the Steelers will win the division. Really, even if they 417 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: stumble to it. At this point, I think the Ravens 418 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: are too far gone. See, then again, that would be 419 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 1: a third win for the Bengals. Would that breathe life 420 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: into them? And Joe comes back in December. It's not 421 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: like Burrow's done for the set. 422 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 2: We think that turf toes a funny thing, asked Jack. 423 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 3: Lambert ended his career, so maybe he doesn't come back, 424 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 3: but I'm sure he'd push to come back if the 425 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 3: Bengals were still alive. Tim and I were talking about 426 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 3: this yesterday though, Mark, like, even though the Steelers look 427 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 3: good right now and they're four and one going on 428 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 3: five and one, it's still probably gonna end up at 429 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 3: ten and seven. Like if you go down the schedule, 430 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 3: it just kind of logically gets there if they still there. 431 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 2: So if they lose it Cincinnati, it might wind up 432 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 2: in nine. 433 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 3: And eight, And then I predicted That's what I'm saying, Like, 434 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 3: then all of a sudden, the Ravens now they would 435 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 3: only be able to lose three more games to be 436 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 3: nine and eight. But I could see that happening, And 437 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 3: what if they sweep the Steelers, then all of a 438 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 3: sudden you lose the tie breaker so if you lose 439 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 3: this game, you mess around with the North. 440 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 1: And you see, I told everyone exactly how the season 441 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: would start, and it is and I predicted nine at eight. 442 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: Despite that, I said that start five on one and 443 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 1: then finished nine and eight, And I got to tell 444 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: you I stand by that. 445 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 2: I just don't see them in that much better of 446 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 2: a life. 447 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: Although Rogers, like you said the pre snap stuff and 448 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 1: Ramsey's transformed the defense. I saw those things coming tom 449 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: maybe not to the degree they've. 450 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 3: Upgraded, but until I see them go up against green 451 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 3: Bay Indy and they don't have to win the game, 452 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 3: but at least stay in it, make it a game 453 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 3: into the fourth quarter, a one possession loss, Indy or 454 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 3: green Bay just one of those games. 455 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: Got I mean green Bay I could accept thelass to 456 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: because they're my close. 457 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 2: You gotta beat Indy. I mean, Indy's certainly not proven 458 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 2: for real. I don't know. 459 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,199 Speaker 3: They're pretty good, but they haven't played much either. Well, 460 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 3: they beat Denver, I don't know. I'm up in the area, 461 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 3: which is great, better than Tomlin. 462 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 1: Danny Dives is great, and the coach Jones, Tomlin and 463 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor Thomas from from what was that show Home Improvement. 464 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 2: Right right, he's a great running back stichens. 465 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 3: Three and oh against Tomlin since becoming the Colts head 466 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 3: coach and dominating fashion. 467 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: Yeah no, I mean, what's by the way, do we 468 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: talk about this? What's a better nickname? Indiana Jones? And 469 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: just stick with Danny. 470 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 3: Dimes is a way better nickname, lazy. 471 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 2: It's an old guy forced sports center nickname. 472 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 3: Danny Dimes is perfect and it's been a thing for 473 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 3: years now. Why are we trying to rebrand Danny Dimes? 474 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: And not only that was it was ironic and that's 475 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 1: funny when he sucked, but he don't suck no more? 476 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: What oh five dimes The Spirits Summer News to join 477 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 1: us for the XS Halloween. 478 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 4: CRUs on Thursday, October thirtieth. 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They got your back, 493 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 1: not your wallet. Last night Montreal played My Mistress team. 494 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: They won three to one. 495 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 2: That Demodoph is great. He just great. I say trade 496 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 2: sid for him right now, just kidding. Probably. 497 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: They did a tribute last night. It was the home 498 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: opener for Montreal. He did a tribute to Ken Dryden. 499 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:40,479 Speaker 1: It was really simple and quiet. Before the game, they 500 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 1: had a spotlight on one net and they had Dryden's 501 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: mask on top of it, and they had a spotlight 502 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: on his number twenty nine hanging in the rafters and 503 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: the crowd just responded. 504 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 2: It was awesome. 505 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: No team in sports has a better tradition to Montreal, 506 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: and no team is better than spotlighting tradition than the Canadians. 507 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: So that was just a a really well done memoriam 508 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: to Ken dry last night, who obviously I was very 509 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 1: fond of one of my heroes as a kid and 510 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: who I had a good interaction with h later on 511 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: in my professional life. Tom, I don't know if you 512 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: saw much the Penguin game. It was for the Night 513 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 1: Out Club. To quote the late and great Mike Lang, 514 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: I mean, that's gonna happen a lot. They just can't 515 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: play defense and they have bad goaltending. Like Jar's a 516 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: kind of goalie. Like I don't think any of the 517 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:39,360 Speaker 1: goals were bad, but like stop something. 518 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, none of them were great. 519 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,479 Speaker 2: There was a one time when the power play from 520 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 2: the right circle. 521 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 1: It don't get me wrong, it's a one timer on 522 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 1: the power play from the right circle, but it hit 523 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 1: right in the middle of the net, you know what 524 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: I mean. It didn't It didn't beat him just inside 525 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: the post. It didn't beat him far corner. It just 526 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 1: went right in the middle of the net. He just 527 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 1: didn't get there. 528 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 3: He's just not a good goalie, yeah, I mean, he's 529 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 3: just a backup. I think at this point that's all 530 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 3: he'll ever be in this league, and maybe not even 531 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 3: a very good one at that. He only faced twenty 532 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 3: two shots in the game. I mean, you just got 533 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 3: to come up with one or two big saves and 534 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 3: it just feels like he never does that. And Mark, 535 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 3: for whatever reason, at the end of periods he lets 536 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 3: in a goal like I don't know what it is, 537 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 3: but he did it at the end of the first 538 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 3: period last night, and then he did it towards the 539 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 3: end of the game with Cryder's game winning goal. 540 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 1: Well I know why that is, because he's really stupid. 541 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 1: He have the attention span of a goats, that's. 542 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 3: Why is that possible, but of a period. 543 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: Like I mean, it was funny though, because she Loves 544 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 1: played such a great game shutting out the Ranger at 545 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 1: the Garden for the opening night win, and since then 546 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 1: they've gotten like no goaltending at all. How about this, Tom, 547 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 1: The Rangers got shut out at MSG again last night 548 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 1: by Edmonton, and they're now the first team in NHL 549 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 1: history to open the season being shut out three straight 550 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: times at home. 551 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 2: And you know, we can't. 552 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,679 Speaker 1: Laugh at that too much because the Rangers came to 553 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh and scored six goals on Saturday. But you know what, 554 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: you know what I'm really happy about is I hate 555 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: that goal song the Rangers that like its variation on 556 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: the hay song la la la l like it's awful. 557 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,120 Speaker 2: It's cities. I do hate it. 558 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 3: Well, this is also your prediction of the Rangers not 559 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 3: being as good as people think they're gonna be. That's 560 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 3: already starting to come to fruition early, and. 561 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,479 Speaker 1: No one else I hear, I hear their management has 562 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 1: already figured it out. They're talking about making some big 563 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: moves already, like maybe trading up Panarin or somebody like that, 564 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: that they're not a contender this year. I'm sure Sully 565 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: would be thrilled by that. 566 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 3: They have to readjust they're gonna kind of get back 567 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 3: into kind of what the Penguins are in, kind of 568 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 3: stuck in that mushy middal. 569 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 1: There'd be some irony there one there for coach Sullivan, 570 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 1: but well we all know the only reason he took 571 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: that job was to get the six point five million, 572 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: and I don't blame him. 573 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,679 Speaker 3: It's a lot of money. Highest paid coaching hockey. 574 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 2: Uh. 575 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 3: But before we move on for the Penguins, what was 576 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 3: your take, because we didn't get to talk about it much. 577 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 3: Steeler game Monday out yesterday, Conan being sent down, What 578 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:02,360 Speaker 3: do you think of that? 579 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: Well, I didn't like scratching Brunick last night. I didn't 580 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: like sending Coyvenan down either. You can't have kids in 581 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: a rebuilding face looking over their shoulders all the time. 582 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: I also agree that you ki'd have the extra d 583 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 1: and the extra forwards. Like last night was the first 584 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 1: game for Dumba and Connor Clifton all year. 585 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 2: You can't have them never play. 586 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: You gotta work him in, but don't scratch the kids, 587 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: and don't send Covin and to Wilks. That does not 588 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: help develop and mal and Airey he has a sub 589 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: stack now. 590 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 2: He had a real good point. You know, could you 591 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 2: scratch a veteran too? 592 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,120 Speaker 1: I mean, Carlson and Latang were awful, ast like just awful, 593 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 1: but if you scratch them, they'd be wholly hell to pay. 594 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: But if you scratch kids and don't scratch veterans, then 595 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: you still have the veterans running the team. 596 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 3: I thought, and being sent down was foolish, especially after 597 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 3: two games. I know he wasn't playing well in those 598 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 3: two games, but you got to keep him up here 599 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 3: for a little bit longer than that, at least. Looking 600 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 3: play Devil's Advocate a little bit on the Brunic thing, 601 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 3: being scratched. Is that a sign to you that he's 602 00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 3: here to stay for the season and maybe they're gonna 603 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 3: load men him throughout. 604 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: If that's the case, I'm cool with it, But I 605 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: don't think he's a sign of anything necessarily. 606 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 3: If he goes back to junior after now, five games 607 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 3: from now or five games, six games, I guess for 608 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 3: him that he'd play in, then what is the freaking 609 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 3: point of load management? 610 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 2: I for sure don't like the way Coyvenan's being handled. 611 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 1: H When Russ got healthy and they put Rust and 612 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,959 Speaker 1: Riquel right back with Sid. It is part of Sid's 613 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: job to help develop the young talent, not just play 614 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: with guys who he thinks can you know, allow him 615 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 1: to stick to his pattern, let him be comfortable. 616 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 2: I think Coyvenan needs to play with Sid. 617 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 1: I don't care who the other wing is, but Coyvenan 618 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: should play with him because he's a SID type of 619 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 1: winger if you give him more than a game. 620 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 2: To figure it out. 621 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 3: One hundred percent, and I just figured that Coyvenan was 622 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 3: here for the season unless something catastrophic happened and he 623 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 3: was just awful and it was clear he had to 624 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 3: be sent down. But two games in you finally get 625 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 3: a healthy lineup and he's the one. I mean, why 626 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 3: not just scratch Charie? Like, why the obsession with him? 627 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 3: Although he didn't get a jersey last night, Tomasino played 628 00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 3: for him. 629 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 1: Well, right, But I guess the thing sending a veteran down, 630 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: I guess Wilkes, there's there's a quota of veterans. You 631 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,479 Speaker 1: can only have so many, and I think that's the problem. 632 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: But then the roster should have been managed better so 633 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: that problem didn't come up. 634 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, not a good sign lately with how the youth 635 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 3: has been treated. And it was so exciting last week 636 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 3: when they opened the season and it looked like this 637 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 3: youth movement. I don't know, I'm probably reading too much 638 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 3: into it, but I think Bruni's here to stay. They're 639 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,199 Speaker 3: gonna load management him and Kendall's probably going back to 640 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:26,640 Speaker 3: junior after five games now. 641 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: I have no feel on where that's going. Okay none, 642 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,919 Speaker 1: and I should, but I don't. And I have no 643 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 1: feel when Coyven is coming back up either. 644 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 3: Well, that is the biggest head scratcher to me. It's 645 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 3: just even if you get him off of said line, 646 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 3: you're right, he needs to be playing with Sid. But 647 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 3: say you don't want him on Sid's line, why can't 648 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 3: he be on the third line? 649 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 2: Like why why? I know, I disagree with that. 650 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: I don't want him playing with the with a Charie 651 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: or or I don't know, you could put him with 652 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: I guess kindall. Then again, but then a kid lined, 653 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: I'm not sure guy's that young. 654 00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 2: I just put him with Sid. Sid's job is to 655 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 2: help him that too. 656 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 3: Do you think that that is dubis and muse trying 657 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 3: to read into Sid or do you think Sid has 658 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 3: kind of let it known in the Sid way like 659 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 3: I would prefer to play with Russ and Ricou. 660 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 2: I think it's one of those things that Sid never 661 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 2: has to even hit at and it's divine they know. Yeah, 662 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 2: But like like I. 663 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: Just I mean, if if what can and carlst are 664 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: going to play as bad as they did last night 665 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: and just get their usual workload of minutes, then the 666 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: veterans still run the. 667 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 3: Team, right, Dumba has to play. You can't just have 668 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 3: him road on the bench. But there's nothing illegal about 669 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 3: Dumba sliding in for Carlson for a game, or oh. 670 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 2: There's nothing m moving somebody to the left side that 671 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 2: shoots right. 672 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 3: And they seem to show you in training camp that 673 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 3: he might be damn us more willing to do that right, 674 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 3: but he's not done it. He's not in the case 675 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 3: so far. 676 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Cotterclift and big Stiff who cares wasn't 677 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: impressed Dumba played Okay, I guess, but. 678 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 3: He's Mat Dumba. I mean, you know who Matt Dumba is. 679 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: Well, there's gonna be a lot of games like that 680 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: where the Penguins score three and the other team scores four, 681 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: where the Penguins have decent offensive output, but they just 682 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: you know, let in too many. 683 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 3: I will say this though, and it's way too early 684 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 3: to be worried about this. I can't do this. Two 685 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 3: win two lost, two win two lost. Thing right, either 686 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 3: got to have a big winning streak or gonna have 687 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 3: a big losing streak coming up. And it's gonna be 688 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 3: a losing streak, but it needs to happen so they 689 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 3: can kind of put them set. 690 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: I hate that cavalier stuff, like I see guys on 691 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: the Bead team saying, you know, one one lost closer 692 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: to to Gavin McKenna. First off, it's not that simple 693 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: second off. You know, it's none of your business. I mean, 694 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: don't don't talk about it sporadically and then put it 695 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: in that light when you do. 696 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 2: And if you want to say to me. 697 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: Well you don't care about the Steelers, I'd give anything 698 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: to not be able to talk about the Steelers anything. 699 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. 700 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 3: I'm not that kind of guy that's like, oh, they 701 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 3: win a game and it's like, crap, I can't believe 702 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 3: we just lost out on the lottery. But I mean 703 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 3: I do kind of want to see the forest through 704 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 3: the trees here, Mark, And I don't think this team's 705 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 3: going very many places with that defense and goaltending this year. 706 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 2: I hate. 707 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: I hate losing on the day though, the especially blowing 708 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 1: a two goal lead. But has Eddie Johnston once said 709 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: to PR director Terry Schiffauer in the Civicarna elevator and 710 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four when Shifty was throwing a fit over 711 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: a come from a head loss, Shifty, I don't think 712 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,479 Speaker 1: you're looking at the big FN picture five ninety X. 713 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 4: It's The Woody Show weekday mornings at six of course 714 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 4: X Music on one. 715 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 3: Oh five nine the X from the Dollar Energy Fund 716 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 3: Weather Center. 717 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: This report is sponsored by Matthews Wall Anchor and Waterproofing. 718 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: It's gotta be a nice day, mostly to partly Sunday 719 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 1: a high of sixty five. 720 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 4: It's the Mark manon Free Game Show on one oh 721 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 4: five nine d X. 722 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 2: Double. I'm on the X Tom good News. 723 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: I've completed my purchase of Get the Letout tickets their 724 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: annual to night residency this year January second and third 725 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 1: at the Palace Theater in Greensburg, Little New Year's Action. 726 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 3: I was gonna say rocking in the New Year's Get 727 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 3: the Let Out. 728 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: Yep, I love doing that. It's Friday and Saturday. I've 729 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: not stayed out there yet. I usually just drive back 730 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: and forth. I should do that because Greensburg's act actually 731 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: more fun than you think, like to downtown, a lot 732 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: of places to go, like some craft breweries, one great 733 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: pizza place. 734 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 2: So maybe I'll do that. 735 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I go up there every once in 736 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 3: a while for training camp with the Steelers, have to 737 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 3: do a couple shows. It seems like a fun time Latrope. 738 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 3: I mean, there's things to do Greensburg, and. 739 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: I got a Penguins game coming up with Sharky's later 740 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: this month, and then details to come a residency of 741 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of penguins viewing parties at Dino's in Latrop. 742 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 3: You're mister Greensburg coming here. 743 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: They love me and Westmoreland, Connie, Tom What do we 744 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: got for the trifecta? 745 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 3: For today's trifective mark? Since we've got the Rogers Versus 746 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 3: Flacco game tomorrow, I'm gonna go with movie Old Timers 747 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 3: number three? Have you ever seen the movie Grand Tarino 748 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 3: and Walt Kowalski. Clint Eastwood's character, he's the best. I 749 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 3: love how he goats the gang too at the end 750 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 3: into shooting him because he reaches in for what they 751 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 3: think is a gun. Just light him up. It's a 752 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 3: pack of cigarettes. Fool ja. 753 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, Clint Eastwood like he's good as a bitter anything, 754 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: bitter old man like Dirty Harry was kind of bitter. 755 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: If you want to go way back, he's just the unforgiven. 756 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: I mean, come on, Clint Eastwood can't beat him numbers. 757 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 1: He's still alive, right, Yes, he is. He's still functional, 758 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: got to be I think he is still functional. Got 759 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: to be close to one hundred. Gene Hackman just passed, right, 760 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 1: that's right? 761 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 3: What was he good to number two Blue You're My 762 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 3: boy Blue from Old School. Nothing beats that ky jelly 763 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 3: wrestling scene where he just falls straight back after the 764 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 3: girls take their tops off. 765 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 1: Well, we're confident the autopsy will show it was natural causes. 766 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 2: That well that I can't explain right into. 767 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 3: The transition of clues. Min it's beautifully down at the funeral. 768 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 3: But my number one old guy in movies has to 769 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 3: be Mickey, Right, come on, rock I mean, he's just 770 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 3: the quintessential old timer. 771 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: And he had the heart attack and Rocky lied to 772 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: him about having won the fight right at. 773 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 3: The end of three, Right, is that when Mickey croaked 774 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 3: or was it four? 775 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: No, the middle middle middle three when when he when 776 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,239 Speaker 1: he got killed when Rocky got his ass kicked by 777 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 1: mister t that's right, and Mickey. 778 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,120 Speaker 3: Was like you in the fight, rock. 779 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 2: Did you like three? 780 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 3: Three was probably the one that fell the flattest. Five. 781 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 3: Five was pretty bad too with Tommy Gunn It's definitely 782 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 3: one is number one because it's Rocky. Yeah, then I'd 783 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 3: probably go four, just out of entertainment aspect of it. 784 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: Then I'd go to the fact that Russia turns on 785 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 1: its own boxer. Yes, in a totalitarian state to root 786 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: for the America. The entire audience will be dead. They 787 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:27,840 Speaker 1: just would have mowed him down with machine guns. They 788 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: would have let Rocky leave the ring. They wouldn't have killed. 789 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 3: Him well in some of the Americans, because you don't 790 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 3: want that getting out right to the Western He did 791 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 3: this to them, and then it was on as far 792 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,240 Speaker 3: as they would be concerned. And then I'd go probably 793 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 3: two as number three, and then I'd put three at four, 794 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 3: and then five would be free. 795 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,840 Speaker 1: See number one is the best, Yes, okay, five was 796 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 1: the worst. 797 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 3: Tommy Gunn Rocky Balbo was kind of underrated. Oh I 798 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 3: forgot about those ones, like the later installments, and it. 799 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 1: Was okay, But uh see, I see three is really 800 00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:01,840 Speaker 1: good because he was a great heel like especially hey woman. 801 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 3: And three with a real man. Three is thunderlips too 802 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 3: at the beginning, exactly at the beginning of the. 803 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 1: Exactly, So I might rank three second above four, Come on, 804 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: I might and two because of the double knock dot finish. 805 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's just. 806 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,359 Speaker 1: So class first time I saw that, you know, being 807 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: a wrestling guy and being a fan of great finishes. 808 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,320 Speaker 1: When they both walked on like oh Man, double knockdown, 809 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,919 Speaker 1: who get Like that's the end of like almost every 810 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 1: Texas depth match ever where like you have Terry Funk 811 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 1: at one corner, Dusty Rhoades another corner. 812 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 2: And Dusty just gets up before the ten cow. 813 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 3: Now, the relationship between Apollo and Rocky and three is 814 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,800 Speaker 3: magical how they blossom into friends and they're running on 815 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 3: the beach together and jumping in the waves together when 816 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 3: they're training. And then of course that classic freeze frame 817 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,879 Speaker 3: ending to close the movie out Rocky three where they 818 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 3: have the exhibition fight with those two together running. 819 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 2: On the beach together. 820 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,760 Speaker 3: That was a choice, that's they're jumping in the waves. 821 00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 3: It was interesting. 822 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, But do we cut the Creed movies? 823 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 3: I've never seen them, but I hear. 824 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 1: Rocky movie, pure Rocky movie was Rocky Balboa, right. 825 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 3: Yes, and then Creed. But see, isn't Rocky in Creed? 826 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 3: Like I think he's in the Creed like he's the trainer. 827 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, so that counts, doesn't it, Like it's he's not fighting, Yeah, 828 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 1: he's the coach. 829 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:24,840 Speaker 2: Like in Rocky Balbo. 830 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,720 Speaker 1: He came back to fight as an old time against 831 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 1: the current champ because the current champ didn't have no credibility. 832 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,759 Speaker 3: See that just doesn't work for me. And I never 833 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 3: saw Rocky Balbo, but does that? But was it believable? 834 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 3: He's so old, right. 835 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 2: I liked Rocky as a widow, a widower handling the 836 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 2: death of Adri. 837 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:40,719 Speaker 3: Is that in Rocky Balbo? 838 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah that yeah, because he the only thing he 839 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 1: had left was he owned Adrian had a restaurant, like 840 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,280 Speaker 1: a Italian restaurant. He continued running it, and Spider Rico, 841 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 1: his opponent from Rocky One, before he got the chance 842 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,719 Speaker 1: against Apolo Uh worked as a dishwasher. 843 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,839 Speaker 3: I liked how the movies would progress and he would 844 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 3: just become more and more rich at home, Like remember 845 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:01,840 Speaker 3: the fourth one they had like the robot that was 846 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,800 Speaker 3: taking care of the kid while they were in Russia, 847 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,399 Speaker 3: and he was like watching the fight on the TV. 848 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, but in five he was broke because here's a 849 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:09,800 Speaker 1: cotton stole everything. 850 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 3: See five is a blind spot for me, because it's 851 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:12,279 Speaker 3: so bad. 852 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 2: You had to move back to his old house, like 853 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:15,840 Speaker 2: in the old neighborhood. 854 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,359 Speaker 1: But the thing is that wouldn't happen because he would 855 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 1: have got so many, you know, commercial. 856 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,240 Speaker 2: And media opportunities. Had never been broke. 857 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 3: I could have never expected this to lead to rocky 858 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 3: talk like this. 859 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,839 Speaker 1: I'd rather talk about this than a freaking Steelers five 860 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 1: nine X. 861 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,880 Speaker 3: Now it's your chance to win. One thousand dollars just 862 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 3: entered this nationwide keyword on our website.