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Speaker 1: Something tells me Dave's going to be highly involved with that.

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Speaker 1: Steve Gooden also running for Cincaya City Council. You know,

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Speaker 1: Oh look, there's another shooting happened this morning. Thank you

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Speaker 1: todds Enzer Citizen Watchdog Todd z Enzer, Yes, Joe correct.

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Speaker 1: If you vote Corey Bowman, Todd Zenzer may ultimately be

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Speaker 1: our city manager. You choose Cheryl Long. Todzinzer, former Inspector

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Speaker 1: read about her, Iris ROLI's name keeps coming up. She's

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Speaker 1: According to Todd, my conclusion is no. He said so

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Speaker 1: far response to my request, thirty four invoices were included,

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Speaker 1: he said, the invoices do reflect that Irish Early LLC

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Speaker 1: given that Iris Rollie LLC build the City of Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: he said there were seven invoices provided covering twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 1: seven of these invoices, he said, were identical, including misspellings. Huh,

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Speaker 1: he said, it isn't clear how those claims will be

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Speaker 1: legally sorted out. All the invoices have been posted in

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Speaker 1: a folder on my website's research library. He gives you

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Speaker 2: What do you think?

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Speaker 1: Todd also posted so all the information there for your

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Speaker 1: He is ace freely dead seventy four years old. I

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, Kiss double platinum line one of my one

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Speaker 7: So anyway, yeah, I remember a group of guys did

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Speaker 7: Probably, you know. The first thing I've been commenting on

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Speaker 7: Everybody's at two ninety nine, now what. It's almost like

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Well, but the thing is you have that information

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Speaker 7: the Democrats want to pump out. Come on, guys, it's

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Speaker 7: not this. You can't be that stupid. You can't be

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Speaker 7: it's ridiculous. You're you're hanging on to some crutch or

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Speaker 7: some pacifier just to make yourself feel better. You got

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Speaker 7: you gotta stop, you gotta get real, and you gotta

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Speaker 7: wake up and stop behaving like different. Please please don't

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Speaker 7: vote Democrat.

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Speaker 1: Have a great weekend, Brian, appreciate that time. Does it

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Speaker 1: make you feel better to be like embrace in being

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Speaker 1: included in a group that's disabled? Five thirty seven right now,

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Speaker 1: It's okay with me and be right back fifty five

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Speaker 1: morning Jeff, who's always looking forward to a little bit

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Speaker 1: of John the Fisherman on a Friday morning and a

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Speaker 1: happy one, two, two, three, five?

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Speaker 2: Do have a stack?

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Speaker 1: Is stupid? Go to the phones first, though, After all, right,

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Speaker 1: let's see what Larry's guy this morning before we dive

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Speaker 1: into the stack and stupid Larry, Happy Friday, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the show.

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Speaker 8: Good morning, Brian.

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Speaker 7: How are you.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing well? What's going on?

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Speaker 8: I was, I was talking to Joe, and I was

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Speaker 8: gonna tell you the same thing that I told Joe.

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Speaker 8: So I worked locally here in the Cincinnati area for company.

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Speaker 8: I don't want to say who, because I'm sure other listeners,

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Speaker 8: but I have company provided medical insurance, and ever since

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Speaker 8: Obamacare was put into place, thanks to the regulations, the

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Speaker 8: increases on my premiums has always went up every year,

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Speaker 8: year over year. Now I had I would consider Cadillac

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Speaker 8: insurance before then the enactment of Obamacare, because I would

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Speaker 8: only pay like ten dollars to go to the doctor.

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Speaker 8: If you got admitted to the hospital, it was one

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Speaker 8: hundred dollars deductible. And I'm not only as for the

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Speaker 8: family plan of about forty dollars a week out of

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Speaker 8: my paycheck. Well, over the years, I'll fast forward to today,

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Speaker 8: I now pay two sixty six a week for my

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Speaker 8: medicare through my company provided insurance, but also by deductibles

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Speaker 8: or over six thousand dollars. So I'm paying over a

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Speaker 8: with a six thousand dollars deductible before the eighty twenty

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Speaker 8: even kicks in. So I work sixty hours a week

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Speaker 8: or sixty hours last week. I look at my paycheck

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Speaker 8: this morning, and I paid over nine hundred dollars in taxes.

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Speaker 8: Five hundred and sixty eight of it went to Now

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Speaker 8: I'm being transparent because I hear all of these people

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Speaker 8: want to hear from the people out there that are

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Speaker 8: like me and your other listeners. I'm a pipe fitter

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Speaker 8: welder for thirty two years. I get up, I strap

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Speaker 8: my work boots on, and I go to work provide

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Speaker 8: for myself and my family. I've raised my kids. Now

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Speaker 8: it's just me and my wife at home.

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Speaker 7: But you know when when.

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Speaker 8: I it's legalized theft. When you open up your paycheck,

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Speaker 8: you work sixty hours and you've paid over nine hundred

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Speaker 8: dollars in federal tax Yeah, a state, local, and medicare.

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Speaker 8: It's legalized theft. And I want to know where are

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Speaker 8: the people that are human about this this government? And

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Speaker 8: I hear Chuck Schumer and all of them talk about lie,

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Speaker 8: how the Republicans are lying, and we're the ones that

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Speaker 8: shut the government down.

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Speaker 7: No, those people that are.

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Speaker 8: On those subsidies need to get up off their duff and.

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Speaker 7: They need to go.

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Speaker 8: Find a job that they can find an employer that

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Speaker 8: will provide them health insurance. You cannot rely on the government.

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Speaker 8: The government's regulations is messing it all up. They're more

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Speaker 8: of the problem. They're not the fixer. They are the problem.

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Speaker 8: And when I see my paycheck this morning, when I

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Speaker 8: got up and I listened to your monologue here at

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Speaker 8: the bottom of the hour, it just it got me.

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Speaker 8: I was already fused when I was listening to you,

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Speaker 8: and I'm like, I.

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Speaker 1: Gotta call in and tell this so, I imagine so,

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Speaker 1: And I don't know.

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Speaker 8: What the answer is other than the rest of you

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Speaker 8: guys say don't vote Democratic.

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Speaker 1: Lar and Larry do yourself a favor. It's it doesn't

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Speaker 1: cost anything. And I'm going to support a sponsor by

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Speaker 1: telling you to do this. Get in touch with cover Sinsey.

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Speaker 1: Let them look at what you got. You may find

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Speaker 1: that you can pay less money and get some dollar

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Speaker 1: one coverage. I swear to you it's worth it. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't cost you a dime. Let them just look at it.

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Speaker 1: You may find there is a better way out there.

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Speaker 1: They have helped so many people. I got a business

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Speaker 1: owner out there. They improved his business's bottom line about

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Speaker 1: thirty thousand dollars, got all of his employees insurance and

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Speaker 1: they're all happy with it, and it's less money. So

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Speaker 1: just the thought. It doesn't solve the bigger problem that

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Speaker 1: you're talking about, which I share with you. You didn't

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Speaker 1: call looking for an argument on that one. My friend

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Speaker 1: by forty six got other callers online. Feel free to

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Speaker 1: shime in fifty tenety two three talk five five fifty

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Speaker 1: ene eighty five. It's Friday. I'll be right back. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff happening Military occupation Talk station SEI

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Speaker 1: I five fifty one here if you have CANCD talk

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Speaker 1: Dation Friday. That's been a few days since I did

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Speaker 1: a stack of stupid. I was just asking Joe, you

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Speaker 1: think I do a stack of stupid after the six

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Speaker 1: o'clock hour begins before we get to Tech Friday's Dave Hatter.

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Speaker 1: That is the possibility. But in the meantimes, go to

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Speaker 1: the finals to what Carl's got. Carl, thanks for calling

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Speaker 1: this morning. Happy Friday to you, sir.

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Speaker 9: Happy Friday.

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Speaker 7: Gee.

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Speaker 9: I don't know where to start with my comments this morning,

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Speaker 9: but let me start with Chief Fiji. She is not

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Speaker 9: the one who is out there shooting people. These criminals

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Speaker 9: are out there shooting people. These criminals have lengthy records

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Speaker 9: and they are out on probation. Now the city leaders

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Speaker 9: say that the city is safe. If it is, why

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Speaker 9: are they going to fire Chief Fiji at this time?

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Speaker 9: They should be giving her a raise and a promotion.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 9: It could all be coincidental. And you know, if I

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Speaker 9: was Chief DG, I would have thrown my hands up

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Speaker 9: a long time ago and retired. Now the city is

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Speaker 9: pushing the narrative that the city is safe. And I

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Speaker 9: had the opportunity to attend the Hamilton County Association of

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Speaker 9: Chiefs Police town hall meeting on Tuesday at Corinthian Baptist Church,

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Speaker 9: Dowlassey Avenue, and Jan Michelle lemon Kearney, the Vice Mayor herself,

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Speaker 9: handed me the statistics of the city, and they're called

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Speaker 9: the STARS statistics. It stands for Strategic and Tactical Analytic

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Speaker 9: Review for Solutions. And if you look at this report,

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Speaker 9: citywide homicides, you know, are pretty much in line. Everything

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Speaker 9: is in line. We've had one more homicide this year

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Speaker 9: in the city from twenty twenty four to twenty twenty

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Speaker 9: five year today looks pretty impressive. And then of course

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Speaker 9: she handed out these statistics for District four District four

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Speaker 9: and they actually complimented the people in District four. District

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Speaker 9: four is down ten homicides year to day. Now, one

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Speaker 9: gentleman in the meeting asked the question, how are these

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Speaker 9: statistics accurate? And the representatives from the Cincinnati Police Department

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Speaker 9: responded and said, yes, we have a whole department that

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Speaker 9: does nothing else but handle these statistics. Meanwhile, I'm there

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Speaker 9: sitting what about all these shootings that we're having and everything.

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Speaker 9: Of course, they are all happening down in the Central

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Speaker 9: Business district in downtown, and they did not show or

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Speaker 9: give us those statistics at the meeting.

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Speaker 1: So what's your conclusion with all that that you just mentioned, Carl.

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Speaker 9: Well, you know, city wide, as of Tuesday, city wide

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Speaker 9: crime that is pretty much on track to where it

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Speaker 9: was last year. But you know, we're seeing a lot

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Speaker 9: of crime down in the Central Business district. I mean

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Speaker 9: I hear it every day on the news.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's it's just become this the concentration for

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Speaker 1: crime there. I mean, people have I guess, as opposed

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Speaker 1: to spreading crime far and wide throughout the city. We've

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Speaker 1: concentrated our criminal activities in one area. Yes, okay, fair enough,

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Speaker 1: And apparently I've got one area is like predominantly Government Square,

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Speaker 1: at least in so far as criminal activity by young

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Speaker 1: people on bus transfers. Anyhow, appreciate the call, Carl. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for going to the meeting. Though here it is obviously

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Speaker 1: a concerned citizen. You showed up at the town hall

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Speaker 1: to hear all about it and do a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a ig work like Todd Zenzer does on behalf

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Speaker 1: of the community for everyone's benefit. Bobby, welcome in the

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Speaker 1: morning show.

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Speaker 10: Happy Friday, Happy Friday, my brother stabbing shootings, murderers, Oh my,

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Speaker 10: it didn't poor Kopolis. You can rest assure that what

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Speaker 10: happened down there on the square before the game and

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Speaker 10: we had another shooting. Then we go ahead and have

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Speaker 10: a murder rights outside of the Great American Ballpark, you know.

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Speaker 1: Oh my yeah, that was this morning at two am.

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Speaker 1: Homicide investigators showed up in East third Street at Sycamore

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Speaker 1: two am. Man's twenties maybe early thirties found shot in

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Speaker 1: the BMW. He died.

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Speaker 11: Well, he's driving driving a nice car used to I guess.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. It could be a Beatter two thousand

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Speaker 1: and two model or something from way back in the day.

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Speaker 1: We don't know. The reports didn't say that, but.

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Speaker 11: Well, we said we got these I didn't want to interrupted,

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Speaker 11: but we got these protests coming tomorrow. Is there any

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Speaker 11: outside of Cincinnati and conserved areas? I know I'm in

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Speaker 11: eastern Kentucky and I know there's none around the people

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Speaker 11: that I know he he's made it, looking forward to it.

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Speaker 11: They're watching on TV. Like in Portland, these big fat

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Speaker 11: people driving around on bicycles naked. Are they planning on

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Speaker 11: the events like that in the great Porcopolis?

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's a draw. You know, you gotta get people

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Speaker 1: to show up. You better have a naked bicycle riding event.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you won't get as big of a draw in

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Speaker 1: the greater Cincinnati area. I'm looking at the No Kings

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Speaker 1: rally sites. We got Mall Road in Florence, Kentucky. We've

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Speaker 1: got Smell Riverfront Park. We've got Eastgate Mall, Loveland. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: believe it or not, I know, don't get me started.

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Speaker 1: There's one in Mason, a dance party for democracy according

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Speaker 1: to the No King's website for that location. You got

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Speaker 1: one in Westchester. If you want to go a little

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Speaker 1: bit further north, there's one in Middletown. And also let's

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Speaker 1: see here Oxford. Those are the handful that I picked.

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Speaker 1: But again No Kings dot org. If you want to

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Speaker 1: see where they all are, it makes it look really old, overwhelming.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you got these places far and wide who

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Speaker 1: are having a rally. Will people show up to these rallies?

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Speaker 1: It means, you see, don't engage in criminal activity, folks,

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Speaker 1: you could end up in subject of a reco charge.

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Speaker 1: Don't go away. Plenty to talk about. Then we get

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Speaker 1: Tech Friday with Dave hat Or coming up at six

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Speaker 1: point thirty. Bobby, you have a great weekend, my friend.

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Speaker 1: I love to hear from You've got a comment regardless,

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Speaker 1: be right back after the news.

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Speaker 12: Today's tough headlines coming up at the top of the hour.

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Speaker 1: Something always happens when you talk station. At six oh

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Speaker 1: six to fifty five krc DE talk station, Brian Thomas

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Speaker 1: here wishing everyone a very happy Friday. I think that's

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Speaker 1: some good plans going on. Congratulations the Bengals. IVERY didn't

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Speaker 1: expect to be uttering those words this morning, but they

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Speaker 1: did get a win. Squeaker it was. But a win

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Speaker 1: is a win is a win. Sorry to my wife

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Speaker 1: Paul Atte, who is a Pittsburgh fan, I don't know

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Speaker 1: when they play the Bengal I think she leans Bengals,

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Speaker 1: but neither of us watched the game, both of us

647
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Speaker 1: staring at the back of our eyelids last night sleeping. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: if you want to call and chime in on topic,

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Speaker 1: feel free. I'm inclined to go to Stack as Stupid

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Speaker 1: in the six o'clock hour because well, it's Friday, and

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Speaker 1: I haven't been able to do a Stack of Stupid

652
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Speaker 1: because I prefer callers. But the last several days obviously

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Speaker 1: great callers and exchanging of commentary and analysis and ideas,

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Speaker 1: so I haven't been doing the Stack of stupid. So

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Speaker 1: I got a couple, including well, one from a national

656
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Speaker 1: level and a warning ahead of time to people who

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Speaker 1: are going to the No Kings rally. Yeah, mind your

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Speaker 1: p's and q's. There could be consequences. Play stupid games

659
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Speaker 1: and win stupid prizes, or in the modern parlance FAFO

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Speaker 1: the abbreviation which I cannot articulate out loud because of

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Speaker 1: the FCC. But you know what that means. At least

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Speaker 1: maybe look it up if you don't. Steve Gooden's going

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Speaker 1: to join the program after Tech Friday Tech Friday with

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Speaker 1: Dave had Or bottom of the r What is ghost tapping.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna find out together. I don't know, but Microsoft's

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Speaker 1: Voice Clone artificial intelligence is, in a word, scary. That's

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Speaker 1: where my notes day plus Queen City Conference, City's premier

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Speaker 1: security conference going on. He's gonna give us some details

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Speaker 1: on that. That starts at six thirty. Now, Steve Gooden

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Speaker 1: run for Since a City Council Charter right candidate great

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Speaker 1: man he is. He'll talk about since a Police Chief

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Speaker 1: three Cythigi's job maybe being on the line. We talked

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Speaker 1: about that yesterday with Andrea Ewing and former FOP president

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Speaker 1: Dan Hills. Violence in the City, oh In loss keating

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Speaker 1: two Violence in the City as well, as his campaign.

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Speaker 1: That's at seven oh five. Gary Favors returns. He's also

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Speaker 1: running for since a city council. He's been endorsed by

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Speaker 1: Ken Blackwell, the Fraternal Order of Police, and the Hamilton

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Speaker 1: County GOP. Another viable candidate for the city, Todd Zenzer,

680
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Speaker 1: maybe the next city manager. If we vote Corey Bowman.

681
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Speaker 1: I encourage you to do that. Todd Zendser is going

682
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Speaker 1: to give us a breakdown the latest from Citizen Watchdog,

683
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Speaker 1: and I talked about some of the details he uncovered

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Speaker 1: about Iris Rollie LLC billing kind of questionable billing practices

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Speaker 1: details At eight oh five. As I pivot over, this

686
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Speaker 1: wasn't even in the stack of stupid but well again

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Speaker 1: FAFO or play stupid games, Win stupid prizes. That award

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Speaker 1: goes to Bethany Abigail Tara Well, thirty seven years old

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Speaker 1: from Maldon, Massachusetts. Uh Well, now into the watchful eye

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Speaker 1: of US Attorney's Office for the District of Massachusetts. She

691
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Speaker 1: was captured on the officer's video camera threatening to kill

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Speaker 1: officers and interfering with them performing their duties. Huh hey, Joe,

693
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Speaker 1: didn't we have a local incident of a community activist

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Speaker 1: interfering with an officer performing her duties in downtown Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: That wasn't that long ago, was it yesterday? We talked

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Speaker 1: about Iris Rowley. Anyway, this terrible woman physically interjected herself

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Speaker 1: into the middle of agents while they were trying to

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Speaker 1: arrest someone. She was verbally abuse and attempted to physically

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Speaker 1: interfere with the arrest and ultimately made threatening statements to

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Speaker 1: kill the federal officers on the scene. That's part of

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Speaker 1: the indictment that was released. She hasn't been indicted anyway.

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Speaker 1: At one point, the threats escalated, resulting in her saying

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Speaker 1: out loud to the officers in their face, Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 1: died and we love it. We're coming for you, gonna

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Speaker 1: kill you close quote, which led to her being charged

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Speaker 1: with threatening US official, which is a felony, which also

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Speaker 1: carries up the ten years in prison, three years of

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Speaker 1: supervisor released in a quarter of a million dollars fine

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Speaker 1: up to I might emphasize. So they got photos of her,

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Speaker 1: confirmed by multiple federal sources, showing her extensive tattoos, prominent

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Speaker 1: forehead design. It's a classic look. Facial piercings are really sweet.

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Speaker 1: As well. I'm just describing you because you know, if

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Speaker 1: we're gonna stereotype one of these folks, and I think

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Speaker 1: she pretty much falls right in the line. Anyhow, now

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Speaker 1: indicted and could end up in prison for what she

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Speaker 1: did as a consequence of that. So might remind you

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Speaker 1: No King's protest tomorrow, get your nose ring out, well,

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Speaker 1: don your nose ring and probably display those tattoos. Let's

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Speaker 1: se what Maureene's got this morning. Hey Maureen, how are

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Speaker 1: you a happy Friday? So you always a pleasure hearing

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Speaker 1: from you?

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Brian. A couple things about the gas prices.

723
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Speaker 3: I was at UDF last night and the manager, I'm

724
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Speaker 3: guessing it was told one of the co workers when

725
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Speaker 3: I was at the checkout line. She said, you gotta

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Speaker 3: don't forget. You got to go change the gas price.

727
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Speaker 3: And I said, is he going to raise it or

728
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Speaker 3: lower it? And she goes, well, he's going to raise it.

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Speaker 3: It's the weekend.

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Speaker 13: Ah.

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Speaker 12: Anyway, So I was like, Okay, now we know market

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Speaker 12: I mean, do market forces work anymore in gasoline world?

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Speaker 1: I mean, going back to Tom's point, it seems as

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Speaker 1: if they're all working in coordination together. Somebody raises there

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Speaker 1: as a nickel. Everybody raises there as a nickel or yowers.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, anyway, okay, so now about the King's Movement. Yeah, now,

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Speaker 3: I mean, na, I remind you they are the party

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Speaker 3: that kept us locked down in our house for two

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Speaker 3: years and we had to wear a mask to take

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Speaker 3: out our garbage. And they are the party that anointed

741
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Speaker 3: Kamala Harris to be their candidate without a single vote.

742
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Speaker 3: So I think all of that speaks for itself. Who

743
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,760
Speaker 3: are the real kings here? And what is this all about?

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00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 3: And the the NGO's funding this. They're all going to

745
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 3: be caught in this trap because that's exactly what it is.

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Speaker 1: The coordinated, the coordinated effort to engage in criminal conduct.

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Speaker 1: Is that what you're suggesting, like I've been saying over

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Speaker 1: and over again. Yeah, Rico, Yes, yes, no exactly. You're

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Speaker 1: in Florida right now, aren't you, Marie Well?

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Speaker 3: No, I got back in town. I'm a new and

751
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Speaker 3: I have a new grand baby.

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Speaker 1: Your congratulations. That's wonderful, Marie Well. I was going to

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00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: ask you because I pulled up the no Kings dot

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Speaker 1: org website to see which events were going on in Florida.

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Speaker 1: I was wondering maybe if you would be showing up

756
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Speaker 1: at teach ye the call your County courthouse in Naples.

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Speaker 3: I read about that, and it's going to be on

758
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Speaker 3: Marco Island. It's going to be oh yeah, yeah, I

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00:43:59,360 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 3: just thought that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Joyce told my friends there to stay away from the courthouse.

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Speaker 1: No enjoyed all three people in the greater Naples area

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Speaker 1: they're going to show with the No King's rally. Doesn't

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Speaker 1: seem like that's going to be a hot bag of

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Speaker 1: No King's activity. Marine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I have one other comment about over the Rhine.

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00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 3: I have a friend that moved there, and she was

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Speaker 3: showing me her new place, and we went there, and

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Speaker 3: every bit of it was you've got to a combination

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Speaker 3: to get to your gate to the front door. You've

771
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 3: got a combination on your front door. You've got windows

772
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Speaker 3: on the first floor that only opened two inches. We

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00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 3: went to the back patio and I said, what are

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Speaker 3: the spikes on your fence around your patio? Here? She goes, well,

775
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 3: I was told that it was for the birds, so

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Speaker 3: that they would stay off the fence and I wouldn't

777
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 3: have to be cleaning up their messages all the time.

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Speaker 3: She says no, and then I look down and the

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Speaker 3: furniture and the patio is chained down. She goes the

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Speaker 3: spikes are there to keep the people from stealing the

781
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 3: furniture because they've taken it three times. But she enjoyed

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00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,359
Speaker 3: the fact that she's living there. And I couldn't get

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Speaker 3: out of there fast enough. I was like, she told

784
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Speaker 3: me that the person had broken broken into and everything.

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Speaker 3: So I go to leave, and my cell phone was

786
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Speaker 3: still in her house, and so I'm frantically banging on

787
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Speaker 3: her window because I couldn't get to her front door

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Speaker 3: because I didn't know the combination to the gate. And

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00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,439
Speaker 3: then so she lets me in and or she hands

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00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 3: me the phone. I take off. Well, anyway, I was

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00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 3: listening to your person you had on yesterday, the man

792
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Speaker 3: who had the podcast where he mentioned you was it

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00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 3: our and yeah, yes, yeah, So after he was on,

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00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 3: he was so interesting and so great. But I went

795
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 3: on and his Facebook and was kind of looking through there. Well,

796
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 3: he has an alert on there from a friend who

797
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 3: was murdered, and it was on the day I was

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00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 3: there on the street where I was, and I just

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00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 3: had chills. I thought this was a panicked to get

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Speaker 3: out of there. Yeah, it was interesting. So yeah, I

801
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 3: he paid a million dollars for this place, and I

802
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 3: thought you couldn't pay me a million dollars to live there.

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Speaker 1: And all in all of that effort to prevent crime,

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00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: I mean spikes on it and having a nail your

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00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: furniture down. Yeah, that's not anything I would consider buying into. Nothing.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate. I appreciate you passing I do. And congratulations

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Speaker 1: on being grandma again. That's one. Thank you, enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk again real soon, Marien. Stay well. See Naples, Florida,

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Speaker 1: No King's Protest six fifteen, right now, fifty five KRC

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Speaker 1: DE Talk station. It's coming fast. October twenty ninth. I

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Speaker 1: found out finally, I don't know what. I think the

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Speaker 1: hold up was selecting the color and I'm talking about

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Speaker 1: Galaxy concrete FLOORA six the fifty five KRC Detalk station.

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Speaker 1: Love My Friday's here on the morning show, David. How

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Speaker 1: about you indeed give my regards to my father. Let's

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Speaker 1: see here. Well, since we're headlong into tech Friday with

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Speaker 1: Dave Hatter and I didn't do the stack of stupid

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Speaker 1: this morning. Me get one. I had a local story.

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Speaker 1: Let me get one real quick here from the stack

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Speaker 1: of stupid. How is it that you are so bad

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Speaker 1: that the community knows you collectively as Naked Gary? What Yeah?

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Speaker 1: San Antonio, forty three year old Canyon Lake guy now

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Speaker 1: off to prison for ten years after exposing himself to

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Speaker 1: a child and the child's mother. Corn Authorities in Cumbal

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Speaker 1: County Gary rutt In the second known to the neighborhood

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Speaker 1: and the community as Naked Gary. They say he started

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Speaker 1: to uh, well you got the phrasing, buddy button, handy there,

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Speaker 1: joe quote. Investigators say Rutting started to pop up nude

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Speaker 1: phrasing in public before it escalated him confronting women and

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00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: touching himself and trespassing into private property. What go back?

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Speaker 1: A couple of years, deputies out of the three hund

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Speaker 1: blocker Canyon Springs by reports of a nude guy trespassing.

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Speaker 1: They said the woman there was leaving for work with

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Speaker 1: her toddler when the child pointed to naked Gary on

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Speaker 1: the property. Rutten aka Naked Gary reportedly standing just a

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Speaker 1: few feet away, staring at the duo while touching himself.

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Speaker 1: I didn't say he's a hockey player, though he may

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00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: be a fan of slapshot anyway, the woman screamed and

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Speaker 1: told Rutten to leave. He then ran off into the wood.

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00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 1: Shortly later, official said a neighbor noticed the guy driving

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Speaker 1: off in the area. After collecting video from neighbors, deputy

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00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: is able to identify Rutten as naked guy in the

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Speaker 1: woman's report. Neighbors even told the investigators the reason they

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00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 1: got the cameras installed is because they had issues with

845
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 1: naked Gary exposing himself in the neighborhood. Deputies also identified

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Speaker 1: him as the man because records show he used the

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00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:01,280
Speaker 1: same car exposing himself to another woman nearby Dollar General.

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Speaker 7: Do what.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, but at least it wasn't a Walmart

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00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: Joe sence to ten years in prison for indecency with

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Speaker 1: a child by exposure, third degree felony, which was enhanced

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00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: to a second degree punishment range due to a prior

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00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:22,280
Speaker 1: felony conviction. I'm sure he's making his family very proud

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00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: and something else we need to worry about. And this

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00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: is actually legitimate. But on the heels of the naked

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Speaker 1: guy story and on in advance of Tech friddaymc dave

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00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: had her interesting lawsuit. I doubt it's going to go anywhere,

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Speaker 1: but it shows you the depths to which people will

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Speaker 1: go to. I guess make a dollar. New Jersey teenagers

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Speaker 1: suing the developer of what is described as a clothes

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Speaker 1: account and alleges it was used by one of her

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Speaker 1: the fake nude image of her in her classmates and

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Speaker 1: the girl's real faces were visible, easily identifiable, and circulated

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Speaker 1: among the students at New Jersey's Westfield High School. Several

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Speaker 1: girl has learned about this that has been used as software,

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Speaker 1: so this lawsuit has finally been launched. Fast forward a

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Speaker 1: few years after that incident, AI Robotics Venture Strategy three

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Speaker 1: lt Limited the defendant in the suit. They developed a

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Speaker 1: software called cloth Off, which generated images of naked people

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Speaker 1: against without their permission. Apparently located in the British Virgin Islands.

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Speaker 1: This cloth Off company software developer says on the website

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Speaker 1: that processing images of miners, they claim, is impossible and

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Speaker 1: that attempting to process an image of a minor would

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Speaker 1: lead to an account ban. Oh and they claimed they

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Speaker 1: don't save any data right accord to the website. Using

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Speaker 1: AI to create deep nude style images raises ethical considerations.

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Speaker 1: We encourage users to approach this with an understanding of

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Speaker 1: responsibility in respect of others privacy. Why in the hell

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Speaker 1: the end did you invent a software that automatically removes

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Speaker 1: clothes and creates fake nude images of people who undoubtedly

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Speaker 1: are going to end up being strangers anyway. Not sure

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Speaker 1: where this lawsuit's going to go. They also sued Telegram

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Speaker 1: because Telegram allowed these images to be posted and circulated.

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Speaker 1: The evolution of artificial intelligence and the law it's going

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Speaker 1: to take years and years to sort this stuff out

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Speaker 1: six twenty five Right now, if you have KCD talk

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Speaker 1: Rite Dave Hatter from Interest It welcome back and thanks

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Speaker 2: My friend, always my pleasure, Brian, and that is correct.

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Speaker 2: We're happy to help if we can't.

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Speaker 1: That's what you're there for. And then you do. I

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Speaker 1: know you do a great job. So mister tech Friday

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Speaker 1: himself joining us to talk about and introduce us to

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Speaker 1: a brand new phenomenon. There's someone out there that knows

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Speaker 1: what ghost tapping is. I'm not one of them.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, Brian, So this is this isn't new, but that's

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Speaker 14: a new term, and I think it's an interesting term.

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Speaker 14: And it refers to your credit cards that have a

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Speaker 14: chip in them that can be read from close proximity.

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Speaker 2: The idea right tap to pay wave your card.

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00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: I never used that feature. I always stick the card

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Speaker 1: into the little slot. I don't know why.

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Speaker 14: Well, until recently, Brian, I would have told you you're

917
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Speaker 14: better off to tap. But this article the better in

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Speaker 14: the warning for the Better Business Bureau, Kudos to our

919
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Speaker 14: friends the Better Business bureau who are also always trying

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Speaker 14: to help consumers avoid the latest scams and fraud.

921
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they are.

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Speaker 14: Is really about skimming, Okay, skimming we've talked about before.

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Speaker 14: Skimming's been around for a long time and in the

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Speaker 14: old days it would be you know, relatively easy for

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Speaker 14: bad guys to put a skimmer, like on a gas

926
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Speaker 14: plump or something. And just for those who aren't familiar

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Speaker 14: with the term, skimmers, essentially a device that looks like

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Speaker 14: a credit card reader or may even fit in the

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Speaker 14: credit card reader on newer skimmers that are smaller, You

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Speaker 14: put your card in the reader, it reads the mag stripes,

931
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Speaker 14: steals your information and how the bad guys are off

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Speaker 14: to the races with your credit card or debit card number.

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Speaker 14: So the whole idea of nearfield communication n FC, which

934
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Speaker 14: is what this is based on, was the idea that

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Speaker 14: I don't have to put my card in the device.

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Speaker 14: It's got to chip on it. Theoretically, this is more secure.

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Speaker 14: I can just get in very close proximity to the reader.

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Speaker 14: The skimmer can't read the card right.

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Speaker 1: To say, well, if they if they had the wherewithal

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Speaker 1: to be able to do a fake card reader. The

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Speaker 1: old skimmer way, don't they have the equal ability to

942
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Speaker 1: create a fake like reader of the tapper kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: Is that where we're going here, Dave?

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Speaker 14: That is that is where we're going, But there's a

945
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Speaker 14: second angle to it, and I would say it might

946
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Speaker 14: be a little more difficult Brian, because usually with the skimmers,

947
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Speaker 14: you know, the card reader might be flat or it

948
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Speaker 14: might be sticking out, but the skimmer could go inside it,

949
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Speaker 14: so it might be less obvious that there's a skimmer,

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Speaker 14: whereas these tap to pay, like if you think about

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Speaker 14: what that looks like on a gas plump, it's usually

952
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Speaker 14: like just a little plastic square Rctly, it would be

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Speaker 14: harder to put us, especially if you're paying attention. And

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Speaker 14: I encourage people, you know, if you're going to put

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Speaker 14: your card in any sort of device, feel the device.

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Speaker 14: Does it feel like it's been altered or pieces loose,

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Speaker 14: because that might indicate there's a skimmer laying over top

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Speaker 14: of it.

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Speaker 1: Exercising exercise skimmer hygiene.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, Brian, that's where we're at.

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Speaker 14: You have to do these things, and I know, I

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Speaker 14: know people don't want to have to think every time

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Speaker 14: I use any kind of device that can read a

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Speaker 14: credit card, I gotta kind of do a thorough inspection

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Speaker 14: of it, but you're doing yourself a favor if you do.

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Speaker 14: And so the tap to pay, especially like on a

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Speaker 14: gas bump, you know, I think it would be harder

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Speaker 14: to alter that in a way that would not be obvious.

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Speaker 14: But that's not the only angle here, Okay. What they're

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Speaker 14: warning about is because these can be read at very

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Speaker 14: close proximity. Instead of now, when I the old school

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Speaker 14: pickpocket where I have to bump anyone steal your wallet,

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Speaker 14: I can bump into you with a skimmer quote unquote

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Speaker 14: in my pocket and read your card.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that handy?

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Speaker 1: Is that a skimmer in your pocket?

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Speaker 2: Or exactly?

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Speaker 14: Sadly, that's where we're at now, Brian. So you know,

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Speaker 14: the advice here is as always awareness, You know, you

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Speaker 14: have to be aware that this is a problem before

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Speaker 14: you could do anything to solve it. But the bottom

982
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Speaker 14: line is they make essentially faraday cage wallets persons, et cetera.

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Speaker 14: That you could even just put a bunch of aluminum

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Speaker 14: foil or something in your wallet that would probably.

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Speaker 1: Stop it, but they go off your head.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that's what I do, Brian.

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Speaker 14: I just roll a little off my giant ten full

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Speaker 14: hat and keep my credit cards inside that each time

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Speaker 14: I go out of the house, you know, and then

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Speaker 14: I have my own little ten foot wallet. But you

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Speaker 14: can buy wallets and persons specifically designed to stop this.

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00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 14: And you know, obviously, you know if someone is trying

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Speaker 14: to get very close to you in a public setting.

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00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 14: Now obviously, if you're a concert jammed in with a

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Speaker 14: bunch of people, that's one thing, but you know it

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Speaker 14: might be because they're trying to read your card. The

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Speaker 14: best events against this really is just get yourself an

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Speaker 14: RFID blocking wallet or purse. It's also handy if it's

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00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 14: a bigger type of bag where you can put your

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Speaker 14: phone in it, because that will actually absolutely disconnect your phone,

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00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 14: right that's all These things are designed so that no

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Speaker 14: electronic signals go in or out, so you could have

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Speaker 14: the dual benefit of actually getting your phone off the

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Speaker 14: grid if you wanted to for some specific reason. But yeah, sadly,

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Speaker 14: to me, Brian, this just shows that the criminals are

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Speaker 14: very creative and they're always looking for new ways to

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Speaker 14: scam you. And you know, regardless of the technology, they're

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Speaker 14: almost always able to come up with some sort of

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Speaker 14: way to steal your money if you make it easy

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Speaker 14: for him.

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00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: Well, opportunity to make some quick, easy money. They're there

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00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: to do that every single time. Got an illustration of

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00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: that every week, Dave. Just it's scary. It's a scary

1014
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: world badly, but to fix a fair day wallet, you

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00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about it. From that point forward.

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Speaker 1: To stick around, we got more to talk about, including

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Speaker 1: Microsoft's Voice Clone artificial intelligence apparently is scary. That next

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Speaker 1: first word for Zimmer Heating and Airy five kr DE

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Speaker 1: talk Station six thirty nine. It's about krc DE talk

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Speaker 1: Station taking us back to seventy six. Were you a

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Speaker 1: kiss span Dave Hatter Tech Friday, Dave had to brought

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Speaker 1: to you by interest it.

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Speaker 2: Brian.

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Speaker 14: I'm in a little bit of mourning at the moment

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Speaker 14: because not only was I a kiss fan, I practically

1026
00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 14: worshiped Ace Frehley as a kid.

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00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 2: Oh is passing yesterday has left me in a very

1028
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 2: bad mood.

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Speaker 1: To be perfectly honest, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate the hat tip job.

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00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 1: That's you know. I mentioned in the program the only

1032
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 1: Kiss on my own and I did get a copy

1033
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Speaker 1: of Destroyer back when I was eleven. That was the

1034
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Speaker 1: extent of my Kiss involvement. Lasted about fifteen minutes, and

1035
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Speaker 1: then I moved on with my wife. I know, I'm

1036
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Speaker 1: I may be the minority in terms of you know kiss.

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Speaker 2: It's okay, Brian, I'll just tell you a quick story.

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Speaker 14: So in nineteen seventy nine, when I was in sixth grade,

1039
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Speaker 14: I talked my Marine Corps grandpa, World War Two veteran

1040
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Speaker 14: Purple Heart winner into taking me and three of my

1041
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 14: friends sixth grade friends to see Kiss with Judas Priest

1042
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Speaker 14: at the Colia.

1043
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:39,479
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

1044
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 14: Yeah, he was not happy. I'll just leave it at that,

1045
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 14: but I thought it was the most amazing thing ever.

1046
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 14: And yeah it was just I was a huge Kiss

1047
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 14: fan and Ace was my guy.

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Speaker 1: Is that your first show? Is that your first live concert?

1049
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 14: Was first concert ever? Yes, with Judas Priest? And now

1050
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Speaker 14: you know why I'm all messed up like I am.

1051
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Speaker 1: Bro Yeah, well, you know when I saw my first

1052
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Speaker 1: con Consered solo. We actually all wanted to see the

1053
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Speaker 1: Doobie Brothers on Thanksgiving night back in Geez sometime in

1054
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Speaker 1: the mid seventies. But the first concert I went to

1055
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Speaker 1: where I was unattended, Mom dropped us off heart Dog

1056
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Speaker 1: in a Butterfly tour. Nice festival seeding before the Who

1057
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Speaker 1: concert incident anyway, often a weird tangent on that one's

1058
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Speaker 1: rest in pece as freely. Why is Microsoft's voice clone

1059
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Speaker 1: artificial intelligence scary?

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Speaker 14: Dave Hatter, Well, all of these voice cleaning capabilities are scary.

1061
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Speaker 14: This Microsoft thing was called Windows Speak to Me, and

1062
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Speaker 14: it was really designed for people who were having like

1063
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Speaker 14: medical issues where they might be losing their voice. But

1064
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Speaker 14: it really points out and this technology just gets better

1065
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 14: and better and better all the time. And I cannot

1066
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Speaker 14: reiterate enough to people how easy it is to clone

1067
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Speaker 14: someone's voice. Now I get told all the time, well,

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Speaker 14: I'm not a celebrity like Brian Thomas or some TV

1069
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Speaker 14: news reporter, how would you get my voice?

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Speaker 2: And my answer was always.

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Speaker 14: Well, even if you don't use social media, if you

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Speaker 14: have a voicemail greeting on your phone, your office phone,

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Speaker 14: your cell phone, your home phone, if I call that,

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Speaker 14: I can record your voice from that and put it

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Speaker 14: into one of these voice cloning models. Again, in this case,

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Speaker 14: Microsoft's Windows Speak to Me, which is never speak for me, rather,

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Speaker 14: which is really never fully materialized and probably good because

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Speaker 14: again a lot of concerns have been raised about it,

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Speaker 14: but I can easily clone your voice and make something

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Speaker 14: that sounds exactly like you. I can leave messages, and

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Speaker 14: as this technology progresses, you know, possibly even have a

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Speaker 14: real time conversation with someone. One of my warnings to

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Speaker 14: folks is if you get a phone call and it's

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Speaker 14: from someone who you seem to know, and there's a

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01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 14: weird pause every time they answer you after you speak,

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01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 14: it is entirely possible that they are literally typing in

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Speaker 14: the response, hitting a button and the computer is generating

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Speaker 14: what you're hearing on the other end. And as far

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Speaker 14: fast as this might sound, Brian, there are well documented

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Speaker 14: cases where people have been scammed individuals and companies. There's

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Speaker 14: the CEO of Ferrari's voice was cloned and used to

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Speaker 14: try to scam the CFO of Ferrari. This is all

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Speaker 14: well documented, so to me, while this particular technology is

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Speaker 14: kind of half baked and it doesn't look like it's

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Speaker 14: probably going to be released partially because of some of

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Speaker 14: these kind of concerns, anyone right now can go to

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Speaker 14: a search and find a website that they can sign

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01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 14: up for a free account. I've done this to prove

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Speaker 14: that this works and clone someone's voice. And in fact,

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Speaker 14: just one last thing on this, I had a reporter

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Speaker 14: out of Columbus call me up, Steve Levine. We actually

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01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 14: did an interview where we got out his phone, we

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01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 14: played his voicemail greeting and recorded it with my computer.

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Speaker 14: And the article hasn't aired yet, they're saving it until November.

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01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 14: But you'll literally be able to watch me type and

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Speaker 14: hit a button. His voice comes out after you watch

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Speaker 14: me recording his voice office phone.

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Speaker 2: It's real.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's so real, Dave. You brought this

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Speaker 1: up before I went out to lunch with my mom

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01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 1: and multiple weeks ago, and I said, if you ever

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Speaker 1: get a call from me and it's one of those,

1113
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 1: I'm at the police station. I've been arrested. Any call

1114
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 1: suggesting that I need money, Mom, I will never ever

1115
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: ever call you and ask for money or anything like that.

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01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 1: I said, that's a red flag in and of itself.

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Speaker 1: I said, we need to establish a code word. So

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Speaker 1: if you ever are questioning whether or not it's me

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Speaker 1: on the line, then ask this question, what is our password?

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Speaker 1: And artificial intelligence won't know it. They could. There's no

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Speaker 1: way in hell, anyone could ever know what the word

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Speaker 1: is that we established together.

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Speaker 2: So that's an easy fix, and that's the best fix.

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Speaker 14: The next best fix is to try to ask something

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Speaker 14: that only that person would know. But keep in mind,

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Speaker 14: there's so much data leaked about us now finding a

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01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 14: question that the bad guys might not know the answer

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Speaker 14: to is getting increasingly difficult.

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Speaker 2: The best thing is to do what you just describe.

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Speaker 14: Brian, have a secret phrase that's only known between you

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Speaker 14: and your family, your partner, whatever, so that when this happens,

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Speaker 14: because it will eventually probably happen to you, that's you know,

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Speaker 14: you have at that defense in place.

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Speaker 1: That's true, and I acknowledge that there is a lot

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Speaker 1: of data out there, but you'd have to say something

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01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 1: like the actual suggestion, like, let's say the word we

1137
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 1: chose is the dog's name. If you say what's your

1138
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 1: dog's name, that's information name might have. But if you say,

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Speaker 1: what's our secret password, yes, there's no way in hell

1140
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 1: anybody could ever know even what category your password is in.

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01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:27,959
Speaker 2: So exactly that's the question. That is definitely the best

1142
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 2: way to try to defend against this.

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01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 1: Yes, what is our password? Period, you're out of the trouble,

1144
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 1: so take the time to do that. It doesn't work

1145
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 1: in a corporate environment though, because what CEO could actually

1146
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 1: pass down this information without that type of question and

1147
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 1: answer being brought to everybody's light and becoming well known.

1148
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 1: So it only works I think in familial environments are

1149
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 1: between close friends. Anyhow, something to keep in mind to

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Speaker 1: protect you. Six four to fifty five krc DE Talk Station.

1151
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Speaker 1: Always enjoy Fridays with Dave Hatter. Check Friday with Dave

1152
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: had again. Interest it dot com David crew will help

1153
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 1: you out with your business computer needs. So you got

1154
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 1: to beig conference coming up day? What's this all about?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, Brian, it's conference season today. Actually is NKU Cyber eighteen.

1156
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 14: That's an annual conference that's geared towards cybersecurity professionals, be

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01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 14: Queen Citycon.

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01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 2: This is our third year of this.

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Speaker 14: It's a three day conference here in Cincinnati downtown at

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01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 14: the Hyatt. One of the things that's nice about it

1161
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 14: is whether you're sort of a hobbyist or a professional,

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01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 14: we're anywhere in between. A student that's looking to get

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01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 14: into the field, someone that's recently graduated. There'll be something

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01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 14: there for you. You can come for one day, you

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01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 14: can come for all three days. In addition to listening

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01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 14: to people like me talk about various topics, there are

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Speaker 14: all kinds of what we nerds like to call villages.

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Speaker 14: So if you want to learn about a certain thing,

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Speaker 14: like even a lock, pick village Brian. Because you know

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Speaker 14: physical security. This isn't just cybersecurity, it's only info security,

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01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 14: information security, which includes physical security. So there's first time

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01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 14: I ever picked a lock was last year where you

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01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 14: just got all these different locks and people that know

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Speaker 14: how to do it.

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Speaker 2: Interesting.

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01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 14: So it's a cool event three days November seventh through

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Speaker 14: the ninth. You can find it online in queencitycon dot org.

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Speaker 14: I encourage people check it out again if you're a student,

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01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 14: if you know a student, there student discounts if you're

1180
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 14: someone that's about ready to graduate from college.

1181
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Speaker 2: Because it's really a conference.

1182
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 14: For the information security community, by the information security community.

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01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:27,040
Speaker 14: It's all put on by volunteers. Every single person involved

1184
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 14: in this is a volunteer and no matter what your

1185
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 14: interest is in this, there'll be something there, whether it's

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01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:37,480
Speaker 14: a village or a speaker or a topic. Great education

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01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 14: and network event and a lot of fun. And I

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01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 14: always like to say, Brian, nerds of a feather flock together.

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Speaker 14: So if you're a nerd and into this kind of thing,

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Speaker 14: this is the place you want to be. November seventh

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01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 14: through the ninth. The Queen City Con all right website

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01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:58,920
Speaker 14: it is Queencitycon dot org. Volunteer opportunities, The speaker slots

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01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 14: are all full at this point. Volunteer opportunities. You can

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01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 14: get involved in these villages and it's just a great

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01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 14: way to network, have some fun in a lighthearted environment.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's welcome.

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Speaker 14: And again you can see the list of speakers and

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Speaker 14: the topics out there, probably anything you could even remotely

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Speaker 14: be interested in related to cybersecurity and slice information security.

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01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 14: There's someone talking about it at this event.

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Speaker 2: All right.

1202
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 1: And you mentioned networking, which suggests me potential career opportunity

1203
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:31,120
Speaker 1: sort of focus. Are there still careers in tech? And

1204
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 1: I know that's your job, but I keep thinking about AI,

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01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 1: and just from a coding perspective, because as you know,

1206
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 1: and I think you'll confirm, so much of the coding

1207
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 1: has already been done already. It's sort of cut and

1208
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:45,920
Speaker 1: taste kind of reality. And I would imagine that artificial

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01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 1: intelligence could probably engage in the process of even gathering, cutting,

1210
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 1: and pasting things together to deal with programming. So is

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01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 1: that the direction we're going.

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Speaker 14: What you've touched on An interesting topic in the field

1213
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 14: artificial intelligence coding is off called vibe coding. This idea

1214
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 14: that you can just open up something like rock and

1215
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 14: tell it what you want and it'll throw out some code.

1216
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Speaker 14: And while that is true, I think people are finding

1217
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 14: that it's a lot. It's really good at here's some

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01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 14: programming code, some software, and it's got a bug. Help

1219
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Speaker 14: me figure out what the bug in this is. It's

1220
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Speaker 14: really good at that sort of thing. It's also really

1221
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 14: good at creating small bits of code to do certain

1222
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 14: tasks what it can't do yet. And we're also finding

1223
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Speaker 14: it doesn't typically doesn't focus on security and things like that,

1224
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Speaker 14: so it creates code that will frequently be full of vulnerabilities.

1225
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Speaker 14: Is you can't just sit down and say, write me

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Speaker 14: an enterprise relationship management software.

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Speaker 2: Application for my business.

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Speaker 1: So that information.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, it just like if you told someone if you

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01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 14: sat down and told a programmer that unless the programmer

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Speaker 14: knows all about ERP and business and so forth, they

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Speaker 14: wouldn't know how to do it either. That's the exactly

1233
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 14: the problem, Brian, gotcha. And what you're seeing is a

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Speaker 14: lot of people will use these tools. It'll throw out

1235
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Speaker 14: a bunch of code. Well, the code is garbage. It

1236
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 14: doesn't really do what you want. And you know, as

1237
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 14: a guy who spent twenty five years doing that before

1238
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 14: I got into a full cybersecurity play, you know where

1239
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 14: most projects would go wrong wouldn't be that the programmers

1240
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:20,080
Speaker 14: couldn't write the code to make the computer do what

1241
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 14: you wanted. It's there was a disconnect between the people

1242
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 14: asking you for what something to build and you not

1243
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:29,679
Speaker 14: knowing the right questions to ask to get the knowledge

1244
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Speaker 14: you need to.

1245
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:30,840
Speaker 2: Build what they want.

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01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 5: Right.

1247
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Speaker 14: So you know, I'm not saying we won't get to

1248
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Speaker 14: a place in the future where you know, you won't

1249
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:38,920
Speaker 14: need programmers. But I've been hearing that since the day

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Speaker 14: I walked out of college in ninety two, and we

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Speaker 14: still need programmers fair enough.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: I'm just curious to ask the question because you know,

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Speaker 1: my son does a lot of that computer type work, Dave,

1255
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:51,679
Speaker 1: and just want to know what, God, what is futures

1256
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Speaker 1: all about.

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Speaker 14: I think I think the market is changing somewhat because

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Speaker 14: of AI, and certainly AI can be a tool if

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01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:00,680
Speaker 14: you understand how to use it career, that will make

1260
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 14: you a lot more productive. But you know, there's a

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01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:06,440
Speaker 14: lot of problems with it. We've talked about the hallucination

1262
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 14: angle before. And if I don't really know anything about

1263
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 14: software and I have it write some code for me,

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01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 14: and I don't really know how to evaluate, does that

1265
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 14: code do what I want? Is that code secure? Is

1266
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 14: that code going to solve my problem? Sometimes I'm worse

1267
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:20,559
Speaker 14: oft than if I just figured out how to.

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Speaker 2: Do it myself.

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Speaker 14: So we're moving fast in a direction to where there

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01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 14: may be a bigger impact on these jobs, but for

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Speaker 14: the time being, in certain spaces there are some serious impacts.

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Speaker 14: But overall, we still need people to do a lot

1273
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Speaker 14: of this stuff, and people to check the output of

1274
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:39,559
Speaker 14: these things to make sure that it's correct.

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Speaker 1: Check your work important important advice for all people using

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Speaker 1: artificial intelligence. Check.

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Speaker 14: Especially Brian like the attorneys he show up in courtat

1278
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:53,880
Speaker 14: brief that refer to cases that never existed.

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Speaker 2: It's a big problem.

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Speaker 1: It's beyond a problem, and it just suggests such a

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Speaker 1: gross level of InCom put in some stupidity that I

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01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 1: can't believe they even got through law school, let alone

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Speaker 1: past a bar exam. Yeah, I'm talking to you, not

1284
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Speaker 1: checking your citations. Dave Patter, always a pleasure having another

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Speaker 1: fifty five Cassey Morning Show interest it dot Com. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for Interest for sponsoring the segment. Always valuable information. And

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Speaker 1: enjoy yourself at the conference, Dave. And so maybe you

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Speaker 1: see a lot of my listeners there accepting your invitation

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Speaker 1: to show up. We'll talk next Friday. I hope you

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Speaker 1: have a wonderful weekend.

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Speaker 2: Ah, It's my pleasure. Brian Joe, thanks for the kiss.

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Speaker 1: Nod in Ace Rayley, There you go, six fifty seven

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Speaker 1: and rest in peace. Fifty five carecyit the talk station

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Speaker 1: soon to be hopefully, Dear God. Vote for Steve Gooden.

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Speaker 1: It's seven oh six. It is Friday. Stating the obvious,

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Speaker 1: but I like to remind people put a smile on

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Speaker 1: your face just for the fact that it's Friday. Another

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Speaker 1: reason to put a smile on your We do have

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Speaker 1: some great options as we fast approach the November elections.

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Speaker 1: Since I City Council, we have a multitude of candidates

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Speaker 1: to choose from. Some I think are worth voting for

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Speaker 1: and some or others. Some have a demonstrable record of

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Speaker 1: success and have shown the logic and reason and maybe

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Speaker 1: some really great ideas for the city, oftentimes rejected by

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Speaker 1: the overwhelming presence of one hundred percent Democrats on council.

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Speaker 1: How about going with the charter right? How about voting

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Speaker 1: for Steve good And from the law firm of Porter Right.

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Speaker 1: You need a good lawyer, go to Porterwright dot com.

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Speaker 1: go to vote Good and good I n vote Gooden

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Speaker 1: dot com. Welcome back, Steve good And it's always a

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Speaker 1: pleasure talking with.

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Speaker 5: You, Brian, and thank you for the kind words. Thank

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Speaker 5: you very much.

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Speaker 1: It's there. They come from the heart, my friend. And

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Speaker 1: I just just doubling back on all the times you've

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Speaker 1: been on the program to talk about some the pending

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Speaker 1: legal cases that have drawing national attention or even local attention.

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Speaker 1: You do such a wonderful job boiling it down to

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Speaker 1: you know, easily understandable principles and facts, but you stay

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Speaker 1: right on top of it. And I know you do

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Speaker 1: a great job representing your client. So I just thinks

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Speaker 1: for all the time you spent with my listeners and

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Speaker 1: me helping us unpack these things over the years and

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Speaker 1: let us try to unpack what's going on in downtown Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: So running for council early Verarting's open, get in touch

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Speaker 1: and vote for Steve. So it sounds to me like

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Speaker 1: Afta Purvol is now admitting we have a problem with

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Speaker 1: crime in downtown Cincinnati, because forever he was saying no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: no no, you don't believe your own eyes. You just

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Speaker 1: you have this wrong perception. Crimes actually down, and yet

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Speaker 1: every morning, like today, we wake up another person murdered

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Speaker 1: in downtown sinceinnat two o'clock this morning. And he has

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Speaker 1: now released some updated crime fightings quote unquote solutions. I'm

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Speaker 1: doing the quote things with my fingers, including accepting four

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Speaker 1: days of Ohio state patrol in the city of Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: as opposed to an entire month's worth, which is what

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Speaker 1: the governor offered him, among other things. Andre Ewing's on

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Speaker 1: yesterday saying, wait a second, why wouldn't you just take

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Speaker 1: everything this state has to offer. We'll supplement the depleted

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Speaker 1: ranks and let's see if that works. So by even

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Speaker 1: accepting something for the state, I believe he is acknowledging

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Speaker 1: as a crime problem and pivoting over there was rumors

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Speaker 1: that he was getting ready to fire police Chief Teresa Thiji.

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Speaker 1: I guess because of crime. How do you unpackage this part,

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Speaker 1: Steve Gooden.

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, well, the headline here is really simple,

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Speaker 5: which is the city's, you know, four year experiment in

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Speaker 5: not really enforcing crime our basic laws downtown is a failure.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you know, both the mayor and and the

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Speaker 5: chief have been saying that their focus has been on

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Speaker 5: compliance and not enforcement, and I didn't know what in

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Speaker 5: the world that meant, but you know, what it basically

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Speaker 5: has boiled down to is whether it's open air pot smoking, loitering, fighting,

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Speaker 5: breaking the curfew which has always been in existence for

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Speaker 5: our youth, or just other you know, terrible anti social behaviors,

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Speaker 5: public urination and the homeless population that it's been downtown, graffiti,

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Speaker 5: you name it. They're not really arresting anyone. The directives

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Speaker 5: to the police from the chief, through the mayor and

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Speaker 5: the city manager and bought into my council was we're

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Speaker 5: just going to tell people to move on. We might

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Speaker 5: give them a warning, we're not going to enforce because

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Speaker 5: we don't want bad crime stats downtown. And what has

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Speaker 5: happened over four years is there is this sense of

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Speaker 5: lawlessness which has now attracted real violence. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 5: some people call this the broken windows theory. When you

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Speaker 5: let the little things go over time, they become big things.

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Speaker 5: And that is what has happened right in the heart

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Speaker 5: of downtown in and over the Rhine where through three

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Speaker 5: CDC the city and its partners of the investment over

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Speaker 5: three billion dollars in rehabbing old properties and bringing businesses

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Speaker 5: in and have lured all this private investment in and

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Speaker 5: now it is all in danger because of this bizarre

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Speaker 5: politically correct and non enforcement quote quote compliance over in

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Speaker 5: theory where they have a large homeless population move in.

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Speaker 5: Drugs are back, violence is back. The downtown reeks of

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Speaker 5: pot smoke during the middle of the workday, and people

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Speaker 5: don't feel safe. My office bart as you know, is

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Speaker 5: right off this street, right by Government Square. Our staff

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Speaker 5: is afraid to walk down the street to go to

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Speaker 5: the subway or wherever they go for lunch. They're afraid

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Speaker 5: to go out because there have been two shootings right

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Speaker 5: by our office during daylight hours within the last five days.

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Speaker 5: It is a disgraceful situation and it is only a

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Speaker 5: matter of time before we see more folks pulling out

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Speaker 5: of downtown. Someone doesn't do something and look at I'm

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Speaker 5: all for that. I was very early on saying that

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Speaker 5: the chief has to go. I think she's lost the

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Speaker 5: confidence of the rank and file. I know the FOP

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Speaker 5: and others disagree. They think she's being made a scapegoat,

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Speaker 5: and I think that's true to a certain extent. But

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Speaker 5: she went along with this stuff. She had to know better.

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Speaker 5: I mean, she was an excellent I knew were back.

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Speaker 5: It's an excellent police officer. She was coming up through

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Speaker 5: the ranks. You cannot have this weird social experiment. This

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Speaker 5: is like you did in San Francisco or Portland, where

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Speaker 5: you don't enforce basic laws and not see an uptick

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Speaker 5: over time in real violent crime. And that's what's happened here.

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Speaker 5: When you strip everything away, it's very plain they have

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Speaker 5: a public record of this where they made a decision

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Speaker 5: not to enforce these smaller things like in a pot, smoking, loitering, graffiti,

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Speaker 5: public urination, and now you have all. Now you have murders, fights,

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Speaker 5: gun battles, literally gun battles. In front of the Federal

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Speaker 5: Courthouse on Monday night, two guys shooting at each other

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Speaker 5: at five point fifteen in the afternoon. It's insane.

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Speaker 1: So Steve Gooden, what I'm hearing is that while the

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Speaker 1: statistics themselves may suggest crime is down, the nature of

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Speaker 1: policing under the current administration is to not issue citations

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Speaker 1: or otherwise arrest people, which would be reflected on the

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Speaker 1: crime statistics book. So move along, son, you know, put

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Speaker 1: the knife down or drop the gun and move along.

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Speaker 1: That's not going to get reported. So it gives the

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Speaker 1: appearance that crime has actually done, at least statistically, while

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Speaker 1: the reality is everybody sees with their own eyes that

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Speaker 1: it's not.

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Speaker 5: That's exactly right. And actually and it goes way deeper

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Speaker 5: than that, Brian. I mean, we know and I know

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Speaker 5: of two instances for you know, personally where I know

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Speaker 5: people who were involved or whose property was damaged, where

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Speaker 5: people have had their windows shot out, like particularly in

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Speaker 5: the West End, their car windows and in one case

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Speaker 5: the window to their home shot out, and it was

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Speaker 5: just listed, you know, as a property crime, you know,

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Speaker 5: instead of the gun Like you know, you have a

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Speaker 5: gun fire in your neighborhood, that's very different than the

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Speaker 5: kid throwing a rock through your window or something, or

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Speaker 5: you know, something that you know from you know, so

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Speaker 5: that shows up as just like a small property in

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Speaker 5: fraction because no one is arrested. So we know they've

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Speaker 5: been playing games in other ways in terms of how

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Speaker 5: they And that's one of the things that I really

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Speaker 5: do kind of fault the current police command with is

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Speaker 5: they've gone along with that. They know that it doesn't

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Speaker 5: reflect the lived reality of what's out there the rank.

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Speaker 5: And while police officers know that too, I mean they

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Speaker 5: know the city has become more violent, particularly in terms

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Speaker 5: of gun violence, and not just downtown. The gun violence

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Speaker 5: has popped up in numerous other neighborhoods. We know we

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Speaker 5: have an uptick, a real strong uptick in property cars

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Speaker 5: in carthaffs and neighborhoods like Hyde Park and Outlookout that's

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Speaker 5: not being addressed or mentioned at all. And that's something

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Speaker 5: that is undeniable by any statistic I know one person

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Speaker 5: on a in Mount Lookout who actually had his car

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Speaker 5: stolen out of his garage two weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, you know.

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Speaker 5: There are professional his attached garage. It as a burdentary

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Speaker 5: the god that he gets up and goes down to

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Speaker 5: work in the morning. Four cars have been broken into

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Speaker 5: in a street and his car has gone from his

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Speaker 5: own garage, and this stuff just isn't being talked about

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Speaker 5: because that doesn't fit the narrative. They want to argue

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Speaker 5: that in theory, crime is down overall in the city,

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Speaker 5: but depending on where you live, it has become very,

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Speaker 5: very dangerous. And look, it's not just about downtown. I

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Speaker 5: think we have been too centric in terms of putting

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Speaker 5: development dollars downtown and not investing in the neighborhoods in

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Speaker 5: terms of development. But if we lose what they've built downtown,

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Speaker 5: it's going to be a multi billion dollar tragedy. And

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Speaker 5: a lot of people, particularly the small business owners who've

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Speaker 5: been allured into downtown thinking it's a good place to

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Speaker 5: invest their life savings and open a restaurant or a

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Speaker 5: small shop or whatever. They're the ones who are really, really,

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Speaker 5: really going to get hurt here. And it's already starting

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Speaker 5: to happen. And it's an absolute tragedy, and it was

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Speaker 5: absolutely avoidable with a little bit of foresight and common.

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Speaker 1: Sense and a different administration. Time for a change in administration.

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Speaker 1: Vote up goodin dot com will bring Steve gooddenback on

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Speaker 1: other issues at seven fifteen Right now, if you have

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Speaker 1: cares the talk station. I always like to joke Oder eggs.

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Speaker 1: It works on everything except the stenty five KALKST seven

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Speaker 1: twenty here for the five krcit the talk station Brian

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Speaker 1: Thomas with Steve Gooden right for since a City Council

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Speaker 1: Steve vote Gooden dot com. Real quick here, Steve, before

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Speaker 1: we leave the crime component, I just want to make

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Speaker 1: sure I'm clear on this, at least as I perceive it.

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Speaker 1: After that, Parvall and share Loong City Manager are the

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Speaker 1: ones that decided that she would be chief. They selected

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Speaker 1: her over the objections of the police department, which wanted

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Speaker 1: somebody else. But that's okay, fine. They picked her because

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Speaker 1: they're allowed to after the passage of Issue five some

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Speaker 1: years ago. They apparently are directing her. You mentioned how

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Speaker 1: good of a police officer police Chief Fiji was and

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Speaker 1: that she has qualified for the job. So I presume

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Speaker 1: she has a sound understanding of the laws and arresting

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Speaker 1: people and what the laws are on the books and

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Speaker 1: who's subject to arrest, but that it's not happening now,

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Speaker 1: which means she is following the I will I'll characterize

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Speaker 1: it as woke politics of Parval and Cheryl Long and

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Speaker 1: the current administration. So she's take their directive and moving

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Speaker 1: in this low arrest sort of you know, move along

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Speaker 1: type police patrol environment, which now they're threatening to fire

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Speaker 1: her because of crime in downtown Cincinnati, and they're firing

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Speaker 1: her because she followed what they instructed her to do.

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Speaker 1: That's the way I'm hearing it. Am I you think

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Speaker 1: I'm close.

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Speaker 5: I think you're if anything, you're being too charitable to

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Speaker 5: what happened. I mean, look, I mean what they're doing

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01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:30,320
Speaker 5: isn't just woke. I mean woke is some like goofy

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01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:35,000
Speaker 5: college professor fighting about pronouns. This is extraordinarily woke. I mean,

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01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:37,439
Speaker 5: this is all This is like the woke stuff taken

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01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:42,480
Speaker 5: to a point where it's destructive and sort of. Yes, absolutely,

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01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:44,519
Speaker 5: I mean, I mean they really have. And I know

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01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:48,240
Speaker 5: this from a personal conversation I had with the chief

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01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:52,120
Speaker 5: about eighteen months ago. Of course, she's very mad at

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01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:54,880
Speaker 5: me now because I've been publicly critical over so we're

1506
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:58,679
Speaker 5: not really talking anymore. But I mean, you know, I mean, look,

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01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:03,240
Speaker 5: they made a conscious decision to move away from a

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01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:06,680
Speaker 5: lot of enforcement. I mean the speed humps that you

1509
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:09,719
Speaker 5: see all over the city are designed to slow drivers

1510
01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:14,599
Speaker 5: down and are blatantly designed to to to as they say,

1511
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:19,760
Speaker 5: lessen police interactions with citizens. So basically, instead of patrolling

1512
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:23,560
Speaker 5: the streets and enforcing speeding you got these speed humps. So,

1513
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:25,560
Speaker 5: as I say, every time you drive over one of

1514
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:27,880
Speaker 5: these things, and they spent millions on them, I mean,

1515
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:30,439
Speaker 5: you're seeing like some defunding of the police right in

1516
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:32,840
Speaker 5: the speed humps. It is an excuse to keep police

1517
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:36,200
Speaker 5: staffing levels low. It is an excuse not to enforce

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01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:39,200
Speaker 5: our speeding laws and actually pull drivers over, which we

1519
01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:41,160
Speaker 5: know is one of the most powerful ways of getting

1520
01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:43,880
Speaker 5: guns off the street. From my time as a prosecutor,

1521
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:46,559
Speaker 5: you know, it was a very common occurrence for someone

1522
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:49,880
Speaker 5: to pull over someone for a traffic infraction. You roll

1523
01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:52,560
Speaker 5: down the window, the person either smells of alcohol or

1524
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:54,640
Speaker 5: marijuana or what have you, do, you have grounds to

1525
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:56,120
Speaker 5: get them out of the car, and all look there's

1526
01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 5: a gun on the front seat. And then you could's

1527
01:22:58,479 --> 01:22:59,880
Speaker 5: that's one of the ways you get guns. That you

1528
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 5: used traffic laws to actually get guns off the street.

1529
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:06,840
Speaker 5: We don't do that anymore per her direction. And you're right, look,

1530
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:09,040
Speaker 5: I mean, you know I was a prosecutor for many years.

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01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:12,360
Speaker 5: You know, I started that job almost twenty five years

1532
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:16,800
Speaker 5: ago this month actually, and you know Fiji, as a

1533
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:19,560
Speaker 5: police officer back in and the States, really did have

1534
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:21,880
Speaker 5: the support of the rank and file. She comes from

1535
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:24,360
Speaker 5: a great family of police officers. I mean, she was

1536
01:23:24,439 --> 01:23:27,479
Speaker 5: out there, you know, on the street making arrests. She

1537
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:29,639
Speaker 5: came up through the rank. She was a police officer

1538
01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:33,080
Speaker 5: for I think thirty one years. Nobody's going to have

1539
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 5: anything bad to say about what she did as a

1540
01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:39,800
Speaker 5: police officer, but as a chief she went along with

1541
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:44,240
Speaker 5: this agenda. She had participated in the really blatantly political

1542
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:48,800
Speaker 5: vibe that they have in terms of policing there. She

1543
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:52,519
Speaker 5: wasn't pushing back publicly. She was an apologist for this

1544
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:56,599
Speaker 5: agenda that the mayor has. She provided political cover for him.

1545
01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:58,799
Speaker 5: And one of the things that really turned my stomach

1546
01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:02,120
Speaker 5: is she's actually a piece of mail just two days

1547
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:04,080
Speaker 5: ago with one of the I think one of the

1548
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:07,400
Speaker 5: most lost city council member is this guy, Mark Jefferies.

1549
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:09,880
Speaker 5: He's the most out there I think of the group

1550
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:13,280
Speaker 5: because he pretends to be like a business guy but

1551
01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:16,200
Speaker 5: really is part of this woke mess. And she's like

1552
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:19,320
Speaker 5: in the campaign literature with them in uniform, which is

1553
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:22,439
Speaker 5: blatantly illegal. I mean, she's been playing this political game

1554
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:26,120
Speaker 5: with the folks who are supervising her, and it's just wrong.

1555
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:28,080
Speaker 5: And i mean, look, if you're going to live by

1556
01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:30,240
Speaker 5: the swords, you dive of the sword. She's become a

1557
01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:34,920
Speaker 5: political actor right now, and she's now her career is

1558
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:37,680
Speaker 5: going to meet its demise on political alliance because it's

1559
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:39,280
Speaker 5: politically expedient to get rid of her.

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01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:41,599
Speaker 1: Well, you know what I'm reminded of George Orwell animal

1561
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:44,320
Speaker 1: farm and Boxer fought for the cause and died for

1562
01:24:44,439 --> 01:24:47,680
Speaker 1: the car and ended up being sent off to the

1563
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:49,960
Speaker 1: glue factory after serving the cause as one of the

1564
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:52,639
Speaker 1: most loyal folks. So here she is serving the aftab

1565
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:55,320
Speaker 1: per of all woke agenda cause, not doing law enforcement

1566
01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:56,960
Speaker 1: the way she understood it and used to do it.

1567
01:24:57,439 --> 01:24:59,679
Speaker 1: And then because crime is bad and because people aren't

1568
01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:02,439
Speaker 1: happy the current status law enforcement, she ends up losing

1569
01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:06,479
Speaker 1: your job maybe because of that. Interesting that Steve Gooden, Well,

1570
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:08,599
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, Porter Wright's a place to find

1571
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:11,519
Speaker 1: Steve Gooden for lost stuff. Votegodin dot com online to

1572
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:14,000
Speaker 1: help him out with the campaign and see up right

1573
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 1: hand corner, donate, get involved, maybe due to some door

1574
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:19,320
Speaker 1: knock and get us a yard sign. Steve, I wish

1575
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:20,960
Speaker 1: you all the best. I appreciate you willing us to

1576
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:22,680
Speaker 1: come on the show and talk about these issues. And

1577
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:26,240
Speaker 1: I think you'd be a welcome, welcome edition for the

1578
01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 1: City of Cincinnati as a council member.

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01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:31,800
Speaker 5: Again, thank you. I think they need a grumpy, middle

1580
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:34,760
Speaker 5: aged man. That's what I bring, so thank you very much.

1581
01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:39,680
Speaker 1: Self appointed moniker. Thanks Steve good and grumpy Man. We'll

1582
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:41,840
Speaker 1: have you back on again soon, hopefully before the election

1583
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:44,040
Speaker 1: again stick around. Speaking of a folks runner for Since

1584
01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:46,479
Speaker 1: A City Council, Gary Favors returns today and a happy

1585
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:48,360
Speaker 1: one to you, Brian Thomas. Please to welcome on the

1586
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:50,600
Speaker 1: heels of talking with Steve Gooden running for since A

1587
01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:54,040
Speaker 1: City Council. We have another city council candidate who's gotten

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01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:58,000
Speaker 1: some outstanding endorsements. Welcome to the fifty five care City

1589
01:25:58,040 --> 01:26:01,160
Speaker 1: at Morning Show, Gary Favors. You can find him online.

1590
01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:03,879
Speaker 1: Help out his campaign, maybe donate to it it Favors

1591
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:07,440
Speaker 1: for the word for not the number Favors for Cincinnati

1592
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:09,000
Speaker 1: dot com. Gary, it's great to have you on the

1593
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:09,519
Speaker 1: morning show.

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01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:12,960
Speaker 13: Thank you, Brian for having me this morning.

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01:26:13,439 --> 01:26:15,880
Speaker 1: Now real quick here before I let my listeners know

1596
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:20,280
Speaker 1: about these outstanding endorsements. What is prompting you to run

1597
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:22,559
Speaker 1: for Cincinnati City Council. I know you've been twenty five

1598
01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:25,679
Speaker 1: years as a special education teacher with the Cincinnai Public Schools.

1599
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:28,360
Speaker 1: You are a decorated Army veteran, and salute to you

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01:26:28,479 --> 01:26:31,360
Speaker 1: for your service to our country. What does Gary Favors

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01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:33,479
Speaker 1: want to do for the City of Cincinnati as a

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01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:34,160
Speaker 1: council member?

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01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 13: Well, the first thing, number one, thank you for recognizing

1604
01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:45,680
Speaker 13: my service as a veteran and someone who's been in

1605
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:51,519
Speaker 13: service as a teacher veteran. I believe in service, Number one.

1606
01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:57,560
Speaker 13: I believe in serving people. And the city of Cincinnati

1607
01:26:57,680 --> 01:27:00,240
Speaker 13: is near and dear to my heart. I graduated from

1608
01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:05,879
Speaker 13: Roger Bacon High School, went off to college Carson Newman College,

1609
01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:10,200
Speaker 13: then did a twelve year stint in the military where

1610
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:14,840
Speaker 13: I served in the Gulf War, and then came back

1611
01:27:15,200 --> 01:27:19,400
Speaker 13: and pursued my career in education. So I have a

1612
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:22,559
Speaker 13: history of service, I have a history of serving people,

1613
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:26,400
Speaker 13: and really at this time, we need leaders. We need

1614
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:29,680
Speaker 13: leaders that will step up and lead the city and

1615
01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:35,479
Speaker 13: bring the city back to what I call its original state.

1616
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:40,120
Speaker 13: We have a lot of crime that's evident last night

1617
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:44,840
Speaker 13: and this morning, and so there's just a lot of

1618
01:27:45,240 --> 01:27:48,880
Speaker 13: challenges in the city that we need to address, and

1619
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:51,519
Speaker 13: I feel it's time for me to step up and

1620
01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:54,599
Speaker 13: put my skill sets in action.

1621
01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:57,960
Speaker 1: Well, one of those folks that agrees with you and

1622
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:01,240
Speaker 1: has endorsed you, a gentlemen who comes my morning show program.

1623
01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 1: He's often he is willing to do so, a guy

1624
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:07,080
Speaker 1: that I love and I've known for years, Ken Blackwell.

1625
01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:09,800
Speaker 1: You've got Ken Blackwell's endorsement. I think that is an

1626
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:14,680
Speaker 1: impressive endorsement that because those don't necessarily come easy, mister favors.

1627
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:20,720
Speaker 13: No, it doesn't. And I grew up under the Ken

1628
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:24,320
Speaker 13: Blackwell here as a council member, as he was a

1629
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:27,800
Speaker 13: council member and a mayor, so I got to see

1630
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:29,840
Speaker 13: Ken Blackwell in action.

1631
01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:31,920
Speaker 5: So I.

1632
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:37,000
Speaker 13: Take that endorsement near and dear to my heart rather

1633
01:28:37,240 --> 01:28:41,000
Speaker 13: and hold it in treasure that he would.

1634
01:28:42,640 --> 01:28:43,200
Speaker 1: Endorse me.

1635
01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:47,439
Speaker 13: So it is a great honor along with some of

1636
01:28:47,479 --> 01:28:49,760
Speaker 13: the other endorsements that I have. But I think that

1637
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:54,360
Speaker 13: is probably one of the greatest honors that have someone

1638
01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:55,240
Speaker 13: at his stature.

1639
01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:57,800
Speaker 1: Hey, man that carries a lot of endorsement, but most

1640
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:00,479
Speaker 1: notly for me. But ignore my opinion, but my listening

1641
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:03,240
Speaker 1: audience thoroughly appreciates with the work of Ken Blackwell over

1642
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:07,080
Speaker 1: the years. You also not to understate the value of it.

1643
01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:09,840
Speaker 1: The Fraternal Order of Police have endorsed you, the Hamilon

1644
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:11,880
Speaker 1: County GOP has endorsed you, and you also got the

1645
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:14,439
Speaker 1: endorsement of the Right to Life for Greater Cincinnati. So

1646
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:16,160
Speaker 1: you're racking them up, Gary, and I think a lot

1647
01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:18,880
Speaker 1: of people see some really really positive in you, and

1648
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:20,439
Speaker 1: I want to pivot over as we go to the

1649
01:29:20,479 --> 01:29:22,200
Speaker 1: break to to ask I want to ask you about

1650
01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:26,160
Speaker 1: the youth I know you've had. You actually taught incarcerated

1651
01:29:26,240 --> 01:29:29,160
Speaker 1: juveniles facing charges of murder and aggravated robbery, rape, and

1652
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:33,120
Speaker 1: some other very serious crimes when you're over teaching at

1653
01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:34,760
Speaker 1: the Hamlin County Justice Center. I want to talk to

1654
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:37,760
Speaker 1: you about your experience there, because we seem to have

1655
01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:41,439
Speaker 1: a tremendous problem with young people these days. We'll talk

1656
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:45,320
Speaker 1: more with Council candidate Gary Favors find him online Favors

1657
01:29:45,400 --> 01:29:49,280
Speaker 1: for Cincinnati dot com. After I mentioned foreign exchange, because

1658
01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:51,120
Speaker 1: I want you to have a Great Automotive Repair g

1659
01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:54,120
Speaker 1: detalk station. Have you Friday Ron Thomas talking with since

1660
01:29:54,120 --> 01:29:57,920
Speaker 1: a council candidate, Gary Favors favors for Cincinnati dot com

1661
01:29:58,040 --> 01:29:59,880
Speaker 1: where you find Gary learned about his issues and what

1662
01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:03,160
Speaker 1: he's all about. And I know you have education experience

1663
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:04,960
Speaker 1: or you were a teacher. You were twenty five years

1664
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:07,000
Speaker 1: of a special education teacher and since the public schools.

1665
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:08,920
Speaker 1: But also you did some work at the Hamilton County

1666
01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:12,080
Speaker 1: Justice Center where some juveniles in jail and they had

1667
01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:14,479
Speaker 1: some serious crimes they were charged with. You worked with them,

1668
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:16,600
Speaker 1: you reached out with them. You tried to be an

1669
01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:19,120
Speaker 1: inspiration for them. You've got to, you know, singing praise

1670
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:22,080
Speaker 1: from Marion Alswagger, the Adult Education Coordinated. There are a

1671
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:25,080
Speaker 1: Hamilton County Sheriff's office on your web page. Gary, we

1672
01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:27,160
Speaker 1: have a problem with youth in downtown Cincinnat. Now you

1673
01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:30,760
Speaker 1: have to have provol Recently, I guess decided that he's

1674
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:33,320
Speaker 1: going to allow Police Chief Thiji and the police officer

1675
01:30:33,439 --> 01:30:35,920
Speaker 1: to enforce the curfew, a curfew that was on the

1676
01:30:35,920 --> 01:30:38,200
Speaker 1: books for a long time but rarely enforced. And there

1677
01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:40,720
Speaker 1: may be some reasons for that, but how is it

1678
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:43,640
Speaker 1: and where's this problem coming from? As much time as

1679
01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:47,000
Speaker 1: you spent with young people, do you put your finger

1680
01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:49,240
Speaker 1: on the exact cause of these problems? Because as I

1681
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:52,160
Speaker 1: see from the comments about you, you're the one that

1682
01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:55,160
Speaker 1: came in every day, listened to these young people, gave

1683
01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:58,439
Speaker 1: them inspiration, You gave them a sense of purpose and hope.

1684
01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:01,000
Speaker 1: I was back to the point my mom and dad

1685
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:02,720
Speaker 1: did that for me. Gary. You know, if you have

1686
01:31:02,760 --> 01:31:04,760
Speaker 1: a stable home life, you've got parents looking out for

1687
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:06,840
Speaker 1: you and wondering where in the hell you are at

1688
01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:10,679
Speaker 1: one o'clock in the morning. You know, that's what actually works.

1689
01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:13,800
Speaker 1: Is that the genesis of society's problems, or maybe just

1690
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:15,479
Speaker 1: the problems in the city of Cincinnati, or is it

1691
01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:17,200
Speaker 1: something that transcends that, Gary.

1692
01:31:18,360 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 13: Well, I think Brian, you sort of not sort of

1693
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:25,240
Speaker 13: you hit it on the nail on the head. Is

1694
01:31:25,360 --> 01:31:31,120
Speaker 13: that we have lost that family piece. I grew up

1695
01:31:31,160 --> 01:31:36,160
Speaker 13: with a mom and dad who stressed education. That was

1696
01:31:36,280 --> 01:31:40,839
Speaker 13: my primary job. Let's go to school, get a good education,

1697
01:31:41,360 --> 01:31:48,719
Speaker 13: listen to the teachers, respect one another, and to value

1698
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:55,560
Speaker 13: my faith in God. So my parents instilled in me

1699
01:31:55,800 --> 01:32:00,840
Speaker 13: the values of what and I thank God where I

1700
01:32:01,479 --> 01:32:04,400
Speaker 13: am now? I would be where I am now if

1701
01:32:04,439 --> 01:32:06,880
Speaker 13: it wouldn't have been for my church family. So it's

1702
01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:12,040
Speaker 13: that village. Yes, I think we've lost that village of family,

1703
01:32:14,280 --> 01:32:20,639
Speaker 13: and so that is an overwhelming issue. I think when

1704
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:26,000
Speaker 13: our young people are doing things that are out of character,

1705
01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:29,880
Speaker 13: out of pocket, that they want to be heard, They

1706
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:34,280
Speaker 13: want to be listened to. And the primary thing I

1707
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:38,200
Speaker 13: think our kids want is they want to see after

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01:32:38,360 --> 01:32:42,840
Speaker 13: high school, can they land a job that's making a

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01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:49,880
Speaker 13: decent salary that they can live on and become productive citizens.

1710
01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:53,559
Speaker 13: I think one of the things I've often said, we've

1711
01:32:53,680 --> 01:32:55,200
Speaker 13: missed the art of the trade.

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01:32:55,320 --> 01:32:55,639
Speaker 1: Amen.

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01:32:56,640 --> 01:33:00,120
Speaker 13: It's the art of getting our kids steered in to

1714
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:05,720
Speaker 13: jobs that will lead to high paying salary jobs that

1715
01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:09,760
Speaker 13: they want to have. So I think we need to

1716
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:15,160
Speaker 13: work with our school system to address and help them

1717
01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:19,600
Speaker 13: address some of the things that they need support on

1718
01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:26,320
Speaker 13: with sin say public and helping our kids with mentorships

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01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:28,720
Speaker 13: in some of these trades. And I think we have

1720
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:31,000
Speaker 13: some things going on in the city, but we need

1721
01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:33,920
Speaker 13: to collaborate better. We have a lot of good things

1722
01:33:34,040 --> 01:33:37,240
Speaker 13: going on in the city, but it needs to be

1723
01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:41,479
Speaker 13: a joint effort of collaboration. And some of these things

1724
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:44,839
Speaker 13: may be in place, but I bring those skill sets

1725
01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:48,960
Speaker 13: to the table with city council and my hope is

1726
01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:54,320
Speaker 13: the voters will see that my education background, in years

1727
01:33:54,360 --> 01:33:58,160
Speaker 13: of experience working at Gamble High School Woodward High School

1728
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:04,160
Speaker 13: to help kids and to live in and to help

1729
01:34:04,280 --> 01:34:08,240
Speaker 13: families is what I believe in. And advocating for families.

1730
01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:11,479
Speaker 1: And helping families, and here's where I wanted to go,

1731
01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:14,200
Speaker 1: and I want to get your reaction to this. Quite often,

1732
01:34:14,360 --> 01:34:17,480
Speaker 1: you know, if law enforcement is left with the aftermath

1733
01:34:17,680 --> 01:34:20,240
Speaker 1: of a terrible home life, or you know parents that

1734
01:34:20,320 --> 01:34:23,000
Speaker 1: don't care, or parents that aren't president parents, maybe you

1735
01:34:23,080 --> 01:34:25,559
Speaker 1: have drug or alcohol issues, whatever, they're not caring about

1736
01:34:25,560 --> 01:34:27,800
Speaker 1: their kids. They're not raising them response, but they aren't

1737
01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:30,360
Speaker 1: raising them to have the respect that your mom and

1738
01:34:30,439 --> 01:34:33,080
Speaker 1: dad taught you that you know, you had to go

1739
01:34:33,160 --> 01:34:35,040
Speaker 1: to school that was in your mom and dad insist

1740
01:34:35,080 --> 01:34:37,080
Speaker 1: on it. Same with mine. I always mentioned the greatest

1741
01:34:37,080 --> 01:34:40,240
Speaker 1: gift my parents ever gave me, beyond life, was education.

1742
01:34:40,479 --> 01:34:44,000
Speaker 1: They were insistent about that. All these outreach programs, teachers

1743
01:34:44,080 --> 01:34:48,440
Speaker 1: are left with unruly students that come from these problematic

1744
01:34:48,479 --> 01:34:51,799
Speaker 1: home lives. Would it be a better direction to focus

1745
01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:54,439
Speaker 1: if we're going to focus government resources on something. And

1746
01:34:54,479 --> 01:34:57,320
Speaker 1: I'm not saying don't have youth programs, but how about

1747
01:34:57,600 --> 01:35:01,240
Speaker 1: programs directed at new parents or parents generally to get

1748
01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:03,760
Speaker 1: them on the right track and remind them how important

1749
01:35:03,880 --> 01:35:06,519
Speaker 1: they are to play an active role in their children's lives.

1750
01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:09,280
Speaker 1: Are going to end up with a you know, another

1751
01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:11,639
Speaker 1: criminal element coming out on the streets. Is that even

1752
01:35:11,680 --> 01:35:17,040
Speaker 1: a concept that anybody's considered, Gary, Yeah, And you're.

1753
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:20,120
Speaker 13: Right on point, Brian, is that I think we haven't

1754
01:35:20,240 --> 01:35:25,680
Speaker 13: looked at helping our parents because what I found that

1755
01:35:25,840 --> 01:35:28,200
Speaker 13: some of our parents are very young, Yeah, and they're

1756
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:31,720
Speaker 13: trying to work. They're trying to hold out a job too.

1757
01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:34,400
Speaker 13: They're trying to do the best they can. And I

1758
01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:37,880
Speaker 13: think a lot of our parents are trying to do

1759
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:39,840
Speaker 13: the best the best they can. A lot of our

1760
01:35:39,920 --> 01:35:43,840
Speaker 13: kids are being raised by grandparents, right, and I work

1761
01:35:43,960 --> 01:35:47,360
Speaker 13: with the family. A young man that's being raised by

1762
01:35:47,400 --> 01:35:51,320
Speaker 13: his great great grandmother at one point if she passed away,

1763
01:35:52,120 --> 01:35:54,720
Speaker 13: we're talking about two to three generations. So I think

1764
01:35:55,840 --> 01:36:00,600
Speaker 13: we have to look at the whole family. We have

1765
01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:04,280
Speaker 13: to look at where can the church get in, Where

1766
01:36:04,439 --> 01:36:12,200
Speaker 13: can and it's there is no single answer that's going

1767
01:36:12,280 --> 01:36:14,880
Speaker 13: to solve the problem. But I think the church has

1768
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:19,479
Speaker 13: a huge piece of play in in our community and

1769
01:36:19,680 --> 01:36:24,519
Speaker 13: helping our kids. We just need to what I call

1770
01:36:24,760 --> 01:36:29,280
Speaker 13: do the basics, go back to the basics. Our community

1771
01:36:29,439 --> 01:36:32,960
Speaker 13: is filled with resources. Talbot House. You've got so many

1772
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:36,800
Speaker 13: social agencies in the city that can lend a hand.

1773
01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:40,320
Speaker 13: How can we work together? Talvert House has an excellent

1774
01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:45,200
Speaker 13: program for dads helping dads. Have a father right now

1775
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:51,439
Speaker 13: who's very involved with this child's education, and he's a

1776
01:36:51,479 --> 01:36:56,120
Speaker 13: single day and I applaud him stepping up and advocating

1777
01:36:56,200 --> 01:37:00,120
Speaker 13: for his child and making sure his child gets what

1778
01:37:00,240 --> 01:37:04,640
Speaker 13: he needs and getting the education he so deserves. So

1779
01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:08,320
Speaker 13: I just think it goes back to when I was

1780
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:11,120
Speaker 13: growing up. I had so many people. Even if I

1781
01:37:11,200 --> 01:37:14,720
Speaker 13: stepped out a line, there would have been neighbors, there

1782
01:37:14,720 --> 01:37:16,720
Speaker 13: would have been the church. There would have been a

1783
01:37:16,840 --> 01:37:21,679
Speaker 13: whole flew of people around me saying you gotta change,

1784
01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:24,120
Speaker 13: You got to turn this around right and get back

1785
01:37:24,200 --> 01:37:28,479
Speaker 13: on track. So I was blessed, and I do understand that,

1786
01:37:30,240 --> 01:37:33,840
Speaker 13: you know, parents are overwhelmed, but we need to bring

1787
01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:37,360
Speaker 13: back the village that I so often talk about.

1788
01:37:37,240 --> 01:37:39,880
Speaker 1: Right, Well, you know it takes that engaged parent, though

1789
01:37:39,880 --> 01:37:41,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean part of me wants to say, well,

1790
01:37:41,760 --> 01:37:43,719
Speaker 1: that's a job of a parent. You know, why would

1791
01:37:43,720 --> 01:37:46,240
Speaker 1: we need a program to have someone actually caring about

1792
01:37:46,320 --> 01:37:48,880
Speaker 1: their own offspring. But this is the reality we have.

1793
01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:50,560
Speaker 1: You know, I was just get an introjection with it

1794
01:37:50,560 --> 01:37:53,080
Speaker 1: about church. It's the parents, it's the family that will

1795
01:37:53,160 --> 01:37:56,360
Speaker 1: introduce a young person to the concept of religion. And

1796
01:37:56,400 --> 01:37:58,120
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. That's the way it happened to

1797
01:37:58,200 --> 01:38:00,840
Speaker 1: my family, Gary. And when mom and dad weren't around

1798
01:38:00,920 --> 01:38:02,760
Speaker 1: and I was hanging out with my buds, you know

1799
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:05,160
Speaker 1: who I was worried about looking down over me and

1800
01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:07,720
Speaker 1: what bad things I might do. It was God right.

1801
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:11,400
Speaker 1: There was always that extra parent right there who could

1802
01:38:11,439 --> 01:38:14,240
Speaker 1: see everything and know everything, and you couldn't escape him.

1803
01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:18,559
Speaker 1: Look one more with Gary Favors going to ask about oh,

1804
01:38:18,720 --> 01:38:19,559
Speaker 1: is that it is that all the.

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01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:20,000
Speaker 2: Time we have?

1806
01:38:20,240 --> 01:38:22,080
Speaker 1: Oh Gary, I'm sorry, I wanted to ask you about

1807
01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:25,880
Speaker 1: affordable housing, but apparently you don't have any additional time.

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01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:29,960
Speaker 13: So yes, I do have to get to work and

1809
01:38:30,200 --> 01:38:33,519
Speaker 13: serve my families and my kids, which I'm holding very

1810
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:38,719
Speaker 13: high scheme. But you know, weekend definitely come back good

1811
01:38:39,920 --> 01:38:44,479
Speaker 13: and carry on this conversation, but Favors for Cincinnati is

1812
01:38:44,920 --> 01:38:45,680
Speaker 13: my website.

1813
01:38:46,040 --> 01:38:48,120
Speaker 1: Took the words right out of my mouth, Gary Favors.

1814
01:38:48,160 --> 01:38:49,840
Speaker 1: It's been a pleasure. We'll get you back on before

1815
01:38:49,880 --> 01:38:51,479
Speaker 1: the election because I do want to ask you about

1816
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:54,719
Speaker 1: what is affordable housing and your ideas about it. Thanks Gary,

1817
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:57,040
Speaker 1: have a wonderful weekend seven forty seven. Right now if

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01:38:57,040 --> 01:39:02,120
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1819
01:39:02,280 --> 01:39:05,040
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1820
01:39:05,080 --> 01:39:07,120
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01:39:07,160 --> 01:39:10,840
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1822
01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:13,280
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1823
01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:16,640
Speaker 1: any time. And it is so nice to look up

1824
01:39:16,720 --> 01:39:19,960
Speaker 1: and see Todd Zenzer in studio. Citizen Watchdog is the

1825
01:39:20,040 --> 01:39:23,200
Speaker 1: name of his podcast, produced by Joe Strecker. He's always

1826
01:39:23,240 --> 01:39:25,800
Speaker 1: following what I will just boil down to Carl Shenanigans

1827
01:39:25,800 --> 01:39:27,960
Speaker 1: in the city of Cincinnati. He looks for records, he

1828
01:39:28,120 --> 01:39:30,759
Speaker 1: follows the money, He asks for documents that are supposed

1829
01:39:30,760 --> 01:39:32,960
Speaker 1: to exist. He finds out that, well, we don't have

1830
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:35,160
Speaker 1: a very transparent administration in spite of the fact I

1831
01:39:35,200 --> 01:39:38,360
Speaker 1: believe I have to have provol ran on transparency. We

1832
01:39:38,439 --> 01:39:40,479
Speaker 1: will get to a con and a point on that

1833
01:39:40,640 --> 01:39:43,360
Speaker 1: later in the program. Todd Zenzer, it is a pleasure

1834
01:39:43,400 --> 01:39:45,240
Speaker 1: to have you back in former Inspector General for the

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01:39:45,320 --> 01:39:47,719
Speaker 1: United States of America. Good to see you. Thank you, Brian,

1836
01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:50,040
Speaker 1: and thank you so much. And I sang your praises

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01:39:50,120 --> 01:39:52,040
Speaker 1: this morning. I don't think the city of Cincinnaate knows

1838
01:39:52,080 --> 01:39:56,320
Speaker 1: how blessed they are to have you and your understanding

1839
01:39:56,520 --> 01:40:00,720
Speaker 1: of how things work behind the scenes, coupled with retirement,

1840
01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:02,960
Speaker 1: your willingness to go after and look for all these

1841
01:40:03,080 --> 01:40:05,920
Speaker 1: things and do all this leg work, and have you

1842
01:40:06,040 --> 01:40:08,880
Speaker 1: lifting to get the answers that you're looking for for

1843
01:40:09,280 --> 01:40:11,200
Speaker 1: the residents of the city, Like what the hell are

1844
01:40:11,320 --> 01:40:12,640
Speaker 1: tax payer dollars being used for?

1845
01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:16,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's what people want. My view is

1846
01:40:16,439 --> 01:40:19,240
Speaker 4: that people don't mind paying taxes as long as the

1847
01:40:19,360 --> 01:40:22,720
Speaker 4: taxes that they're paying are being used properly and for

1848
01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:24,080
Speaker 4: things that are needed.

1849
01:40:24,240 --> 01:40:26,840
Speaker 1: To be done right. I mean, you know, in the

1850
01:40:26,920 --> 01:40:30,040
Speaker 1: private industry world, we get to pick and choose who

1851
01:40:30,240 --> 01:40:33,080
Speaker 1: is going to be the recipient of our hard earned dollars.

1852
01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:35,799
Speaker 1: We don't get any choice in the matter. At minimum,

1853
01:40:36,360 --> 01:40:39,040
Speaker 1: these people should have some measure of understanding or some

1854
01:40:39,240 --> 01:40:42,400
Speaker 1: concept of a fiduciary obligation that it owes to you,

1855
01:40:42,680 --> 01:40:45,280
Speaker 1: me and everybody else who works and pays taxes to

1856
01:40:45,360 --> 01:40:47,920
Speaker 1: keep them well, keep them in their salaries, and all

1857
01:40:47,960 --> 01:40:50,280
Speaker 1: these other programs that we found. Yeah, that's exactly right.

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01:40:50,360 --> 01:40:52,600
Speaker 4: And actually that's one of the big issues I have

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01:40:52,840 --> 01:40:55,840
Speaker 4: with the way that iris Rollie was contracted with and

1860
01:40:55,920 --> 01:41:00,559
Speaker 4: the way they manage that contract. I have to believe

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01:41:00,840 --> 01:41:04,000
Speaker 4: that the contracting staff and the management staff at the

1862
01:41:04,120 --> 01:41:07,840
Speaker 4: city are better than that. Did they They let they

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01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:12,800
Speaker 4: let a very lax process go through and uh, you know,

1864
01:41:12,920 --> 01:41:16,160
Speaker 4: make all these payments to this contractor, and the paperwork

1865
01:41:16,320 --> 01:41:17,600
Speaker 4: is terrible.

1866
01:41:17,680 --> 01:41:20,599
Speaker 1: Terrible And if you're scratching your head, going wait, huh

1867
01:41:20,720 --> 01:41:24,400
Speaker 1: who iris Roli is? Well, it was involved with the

1868
01:41:24,520 --> 01:41:27,200
Speaker 1: establishment of the Collaborative Agreement after the riots back in

1869
01:41:27,479 --> 01:41:30,040
Speaker 1: what was it two thousand and one, Yes, long time ago.

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01:41:30,479 --> 01:41:35,439
Speaker 1: She has been a constant presence in activism, if I

1871
01:41:35,479 --> 01:41:37,800
Speaker 1: can boil it down in the city since that time.

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01:41:38,640 --> 01:41:43,360
Speaker 1: She has been under contract. She's like a a ten

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01:41:43,479 --> 01:41:45,680
Speaker 1: ninety nine employee of sorts, right, I mean, she does

1874
01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:48,679
Speaker 1: She doesn't have a direct job with or for the city.

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01:41:48,760 --> 01:41:51,920
Speaker 1: She's not a city employee. She's a subcontract the city,

1876
01:41:52,040 --> 01:41:53,840
Speaker 1: like an NGO that we're paying to do work in

1877
01:41:53,920 --> 01:41:56,960
Speaker 1: the community. Correct, So her current role is is what

1878
01:41:57,560 --> 01:42:00,000
Speaker 1: she's getting five on what's the terms of her contrac?

1879
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:01,519
Speaker 1: How many years and how much money is she gonn

1880
01:42:01,520 --> 01:42:01,840
Speaker 1: to make it?

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01:42:02,160 --> 01:42:04,680
Speaker 4: Well, the current contract is a is a three year

1882
01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:09,720
Speaker 4: contract that was signed off in two thousand and twenty four,

1883
01:42:10,840 --> 01:42:14,679
Speaker 4: and that was an amendment to a twenty and twenty

1884
01:42:14,720 --> 01:42:20,599
Speaker 4: three contract. But the current contract is for three years,

1885
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:29,240
Speaker 4: and that includes a salary for miss Rolli that is

1886
01:42:29,439 --> 01:42:33,320
Speaker 4: over three hundred thousand dollars. And then the contract also

1887
01:42:33,439 --> 01:42:38,920
Speaker 4: includes money for a initiative on Government Square. They call

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01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:44,639
Speaker 4: it the Government Square Initiative, And that's another I believe

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01:42:44,720 --> 01:42:48,439
Speaker 4: it's two hundred and twenty five thousand. The math on

1890
01:42:48,560 --> 01:42:52,120
Speaker 4: it that I calculated was the value of the contract

1891
01:42:52,240 --> 01:42:54,080
Speaker 4: was five hundred and seventy thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: Right, Is there a job description in there, like you

1893
01:42:59,439 --> 01:43:02,960
Speaker 1: normally here's what you're expected to do? And also is

1894
01:43:03,080 --> 01:43:06,280
Speaker 1: she paid an hourly rate? Is how does she charge

1895
01:43:06,320 --> 01:43:07,840
Speaker 1: the city? Because we're going to talk about some of

1896
01:43:07,880 --> 01:43:11,280
Speaker 1: the bills that she submitted to the City Cincinnati invoices. Right,

1897
01:43:11,680 --> 01:43:15,439
Speaker 1: So what within the contract explains how these invoice processes work,

1898
01:43:15,560 --> 01:43:18,240
Speaker 1: how much she's supposed to get, what her day to

1899
01:43:18,360 --> 01:43:20,680
Speaker 1: day responsibilities are. I mean, are we getting an eight

1900
01:43:20,760 --> 01:43:23,280
Speaker 1: hour workday in return for all of this money? That

1901
01:43:23,479 --> 01:43:25,680
Speaker 1: kind of thing. The basic conditions, Yeah, well, a lot

1902
01:43:25,720 --> 01:43:26,679
Speaker 1: of that I can't answer.

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01:43:26,760 --> 01:43:29,599
Speaker 4: But the scope of services in the contract, there were

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01:43:30,120 --> 01:43:34,400
Speaker 4: three basic scope of services. One was to kind of

1905
01:43:34,720 --> 01:43:38,800
Speaker 4: refresh the what's called the management Advisory Group, which was

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01:43:39,080 --> 01:43:44,840
Speaker 4: established under the Collaborative Agreement and which Iris Rolli was

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01:43:44,880 --> 01:43:48,920
Speaker 4: a member of that management group and I believe she

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01:43:49,680 --> 01:43:53,200
Speaker 4: either is still a member or is responsible for kind

1909
01:43:53,240 --> 01:43:57,840
Speaker 4: of managing that group under this contract. The second one

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01:43:58,240 --> 01:44:00,880
Speaker 4: was to engage the community.

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Speaker 1: One way or the other.

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Speaker 4: Uh, it's not very specific, but there's community engagement that

1913
01:44:07,720 --> 01:44:10,240
Speaker 4: that she's required to to to engage.

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Speaker 1: And you and I could go all day long on

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01:44:13,520 --> 01:44:17,160
Speaker 1: what in the hell that means? Right, community engagement.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's spelled it is spelled out a little more

1917
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Speaker 4: in the contract itself, but when you look at the

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Speaker 4: invoices it gets much broader.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're we're going to get to that. Folks, just wait,

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Speaker 1: wait for that bomb. That's the bomb that's going to

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Speaker 1: drop in.

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Speaker 4: And then there's a there's an aspect of the collaborative

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Speaker 4: Agreement called problem The big thing about the Collaborative Agreement

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Speaker 4: is this problem solving, community problem solving. And they use

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Speaker 4: a technique called SARAH, which stands for scanning assessment or

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Speaker 4: scanning Analysis, Response and Assessment. So and she will she'll

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Speaker 4: train groups on how that works. You know, what can

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Speaker 4: be accomplished with that.

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Speaker 1: Method.

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Speaker 4: And those are the three big ticket items in the

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Speaker 4: in the contract.

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Speaker 1: As to the latter, since the Collaborative Agreement dealt with

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Speaker 1: policing in the city, this scanning and reviewing or whatever

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Speaker 1: this protocol is that it relates to individual police interactions

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Speaker 1: with the community, arrests and issuance of citations and things

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Speaker 1: like that. Or does it go outside of police activity.

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Speaker 4: Oh, it definitely goes outside of police activity. It's it's

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Speaker 4: to identify problems in the neighborhood or in the community, like.

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Speaker 1: The breakdown of the nuclear family for example. Well, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if it goes to that point, but I'm

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Speaker 1: sorry there and you.

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Speaker 4: Know, how do we how do we deal with this problem,

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Speaker 4: and so the police are involved the community. It's supposed

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Speaker 4: to be kind of a collaborative.

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Speaker 1: Effort, okay, but at its core, does it relate to crime,

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Speaker 1: like getting ahead of things that cause or create problems

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Speaker 1: that result in criminal activity? I guess I'm I think

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Speaker 1: a collaborative agreement. What started it? The riots, the accusations

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Speaker 1: of racism, the accusations of pulling over people, over driving

1950
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Speaker 1: while black. I mean, we know all the genesis behind it,

1951
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Speaker 1: but it had to do with law enforcement. It sounds

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Speaker 1: to me like she's been hired in a role that's

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Speaker 1: much broader than her initial involvement.

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Speaker 4: If you look at her invoices. The answer to that, yes,

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Speaker 4: it's much much broader than what it looks like in

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Speaker 4: the contract.

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Speaker 5: But here we go.

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Speaker 1: Can we tell from the invoice is exactly what she's

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Speaker 1: doing out in the world on a day to day basis?

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Speaker 1: I would say, no, okay, let's talk just pull You

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Speaker 1: got a whole bunch of them. You looked into this. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and she submits a monthly invoice. Correct, correct, and to

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Speaker 1: best of your knowledge, it's all been paid correct. Yes,

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Speaker 1: So what what are we talking about here? And I

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Speaker 1: mentioned to you. When I was an attorney billing hours,

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Speaker 1: you had a certain obligation to put enough information in

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Speaker 1: your billing form to justify the hourly charge you were

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Speaker 1: going to do. Like I reviewed documents, you know X

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Speaker 1: through Y, you know tax years nineteen eighty to nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty five, You had to put a sufficient explanation of

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Speaker 1: what you did to justify the bill you're set into

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Speaker 1: the client. Does her invoice show any of that kind

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Speaker 1: of detailed information.

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Speaker 4: Well, the contract requires a detailed timekeeping and an activity log,

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Speaker 4: So the invoices don't reflect any timekeeping. The invoices identify

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Speaker 4: maybe seven or eight different areas or things that she

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Speaker 4: devoted time to. There's no details to it, and there's

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Speaker 4: no time associated with any of those activities. And in

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty three, for example, there are five invoices, five

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Speaker 4: monthly invoices that say the exact same thing. And so

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Speaker 4: without those kind of activity logs, you don't know whether

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Speaker 4: those five things are duplicates, or whether there's different activities

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Speaker 4: under each of those categories. There's just nothing there to

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Speaker 4: really determine what she worked on.

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Speaker 1: Well, you indicated also your research determined that five of

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Speaker 1: the seven invoices also had identical misspellings, meaning the only

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Speaker 1: thing that's different between them is maybe the date that

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Speaker 1: it was sent out. Yes, that's the only difference.

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Speaker 4: And you know the real problem is that there's no

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Speaker 4: information underneath each item, each of those seven items on

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Speaker 4: these invoices to say how this month is different than

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Speaker 4: last month. Because if you can't differentiate between the activities

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Speaker 4: on each of the invoices, it looks like you're paying

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Speaker 4: for the same thing five times.

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Speaker 1: Well that's the appearance. That's what I came away with

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Speaker 1: after I was looking at your analysis on this right,

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Speaker 1: and see I had to be.

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Speaker 4: I waited to disclose all these invoices because I was

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Speaker 4: hopeful that the city would come through with some additional

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Speaker 4: documentation and some additional information to give us a better

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01:49:16,360 --> 01:49:18,880
Speaker 4: picture of it. But it's been over a month since

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Speaker 4: I had since I had received the initial a batch

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Speaker 4: of documents, and I don't know how long I'm supposed

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Speaker 4: to wait before I report out on this stuff.

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Speaker 1: So I just reported out right, which means if they

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Speaker 1: have additional documents that fill in the missing information back

2007
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Speaker 1: behind the scenes, they can say, oh, oh, Toddszin's or

2008
01:49:36,920 --> 01:49:39,920
Speaker 1: you jump to conclusions. Here's all the details supporting the

2009
01:49:39,960 --> 01:49:43,200
Speaker 1: monthly bill, which contains literally no information we can use. Yeah, well,

2010
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Speaker 1: you don't expect that day to come.

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Speaker 4: I unfortunately I don't, but I would be happy to

2012
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Speaker 4: take that information and revise what you know my conclusions here.

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Speaker 1: I know you will. We have much many more shenanigans

2014
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Speaker 1: to reveal here with Todd Sen's or Citizen watch Dog

2015
01:49:57,360 --> 01:49:58,960
Speaker 1: in the fifty five CAC Morning Show. He'll be in

2016
01:49:59,000 --> 01:50:01,240
Speaker 1: studio for the full hour. Please do not go away.

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Speaker 1: Fifty five KARC dot com neat station. They take twenty here,

2018
01:50:07,120 --> 01:50:10,760
Speaker 1: fifty five cars de Talk station. Citizen Watchdogs the name

2019
01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:13,160
Speaker 1: of the podcast. Todd Zenzer, host of that podcast and

2020
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Speaker 1: the one that's doing all the work to gather the

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01:50:14,920 --> 01:50:17,639
Speaker 1: information that he talks about with the Citizen Watchdog podcasts

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01:50:17,680 --> 01:50:19,760
Speaker 1: and our podcasts and also talking about here in the

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01:50:19,760 --> 01:50:23,160
Speaker 1: fifty five kr SE morning showan studio today. Now, Todd,

2024
01:50:23,400 --> 01:50:27,360
Speaker 1: going back to this IRISROI contract paid a handsome amount

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Speaker 1: of money to be a some sort of outside contractor fine.

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Speaker 1: The contract requires detailed timekeeping that's in quotes from the contract, yes,

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Speaker 1: as well as in quotes activity logs. So when you

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01:50:43,640 --> 01:50:46,599
Speaker 1: submit an invoice. Under this contract, you must have detailed

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Speaker 1: timekeeping where you were, how much time you spent, what

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01:50:49,160 --> 01:50:51,360
Speaker 1: you did, as well as the activity logs. You say

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Speaker 1: there are no activity logs. No, there's not, clearly from

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Speaker 1: what you told me, like for example, quote police chief

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01:50:58,000 --> 01:51:03,240
Speaker 1: search close. Quote does not sound like detailed timekeeping either, No,

2034
01:51:04,640 --> 01:51:08,519
Speaker 1: no hours specified for example, correct, just detailed timekeeping. What

2035
01:51:08,680 --> 01:51:10,760
Speaker 1: was the invoice? I mean, what are these invoices rung

2036
01:51:10,840 --> 01:51:12,719
Speaker 1: like four or five, six or six thousand dollars?

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Speaker 4: Or the monthly payment that she received initially was eight thousand,

2038
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Speaker 4: three hundred and something, and then this contract what the invoices?

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Speaker 4: Monthly invoices are eighty seven fifty.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Now I don't believe and I've never heard it

2041
01:51:29,000 --> 01:51:33,439
Speaker 1: said that Iris Rowley has the City of Cincinnati's checkbook

2042
01:51:33,560 --> 01:51:37,080
Speaker 1: so she can write herself checks. Someone has to approve

2043
01:51:37,320 --> 01:51:41,680
Speaker 1: and authorize these payments. She submits the invoice. See, I'm

2044
01:51:41,720 --> 01:51:45,600
Speaker 1: going real slow, and I'm mansplaining. I see, I'm recognizing it.

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01:51:46,320 --> 01:51:49,240
Speaker 1: Who signed off on these? Considering it does not meet

2046
01:51:49,400 --> 01:51:52,919
Speaker 1: on its face the contractual requirements.

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Speaker 4: Right well, under the contract, she reports directly to the

2048
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Speaker 4: city manager or an assistant city manager and most of

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01:51:59,280 --> 01:52:02,960
Speaker 4: the invoices that I didn't see any invoices that share

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01:52:03,000 --> 01:52:08,439
Speaker 4: a long initial off on. It's usually a assistant manager

2051
01:52:08,520 --> 01:52:12,360
Speaker 4: the best I can tell. But there's only initials. Somebody

2052
01:52:12,400 --> 01:52:15,160
Speaker 4: will initial it or say good to pay or something

2053
01:52:15,280 --> 01:52:15,439
Speaker 4: like that.

2054
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Speaker 1: But if the buck stops at the head of the

2055
01:52:21,320 --> 01:52:23,880
Speaker 1: head of the class's desk, like the buck stops here,

2056
01:52:24,400 --> 01:52:26,719
Speaker 1: that will be Cheryl Long. This is under her watch.

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Speaker 1: She bears ultimately responsibility for these invoices being paid.

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Speaker 4: Correct, she signed the contract?

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Speaker 1: Well does it one really kind of puzzle over? I

2060
01:52:37,320 --> 01:52:39,560
Speaker 1: know you're puzzling over it. I'm puzzling over it. Have

2061
01:52:39,680 --> 01:52:42,760
Speaker 1: you asked that question of the mayor or anybody else

2062
01:52:43,000 --> 01:52:45,120
Speaker 1: in the administration?

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01:52:45,360 --> 01:52:47,320
Speaker 4: Well, I did send them a letter back at the

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01:52:47,360 --> 01:52:50,479
Speaker 4: beginning of October, like I don't know, ten days ago,

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01:52:50,840 --> 01:52:54,280
Speaker 4: twelve days ago, and I lined out all of my

2066
01:52:54,439 --> 01:53:01,720
Speaker 4: issues with the contracts and I all suggested things that

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01:53:01,800 --> 01:53:05,559
Speaker 4: they need to do to fix them. And I haven't

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01:53:05,600 --> 01:53:07,720
Speaker 4: heard anything back. But that's not unusual either.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, my recollection, and I know it's right because

2070
01:53:13,920 --> 01:53:15,960
Speaker 1: you just showed me the quote from have to have

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01:53:16,120 --> 01:53:18,439
Speaker 1: Pervoll when he was running for mayor back in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one, didn't he promise and pledge to ferret out

2073
01:53:23,320 --> 01:53:25,880
Speaker 1: corruption and to be transparent? I mean you can feel

2074
01:53:25,880 --> 01:53:28,320
Speaker 1: free to read his own words. Okay. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: The WKRC interviewed all the candidates running for mayor back

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01:53:32,120 --> 01:53:33,920
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty one. I guess it was just a

2077
01:53:34,040 --> 01:53:38,360
Speaker 4: mayor of pervall In, mister David Mann. But they asked him,

2078
01:53:39,760 --> 01:53:42,759
Speaker 4: four city council members have been indicted on felony charges,

2079
01:53:42,840 --> 01:53:45,320
Speaker 4: including three for corruption charges. What will you do to

2080
01:53:45,400 --> 01:53:50,000
Speaker 4: restore trust in local government? So part of his response

2081
01:53:50,080 --> 01:53:53,000
Speaker 4: he says, I think we've got to be laser focused

2082
01:53:53,040 --> 01:53:56,880
Speaker 4: on finding the corruption before it starts, and that means

2083
01:53:56,960 --> 01:54:00,320
Speaker 4: more transparency. And then he ended saying, I think we've

2084
01:54:00,360 --> 01:54:03,760
Speaker 4: got to raise the level of our ethical standards, make

2085
01:54:03,880 --> 01:54:07,120
Speaker 4: them more transparent, so we can weed this corruption out

2086
01:54:07,160 --> 01:54:08,040
Speaker 4: before it begins.

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Speaker 1: How's that working out for you? Well? I think I

2088
01:54:16,320 --> 01:54:16,680
Speaker 1: mentioned that.

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Speaker 4: A big issue is I did send him a letter

2090
01:54:20,080 --> 01:54:23,479
Speaker 4: earlier in the summer to help get disclosure on what

2091
01:54:23,680 --> 01:54:25,800
Speaker 4: Norfolk Southern spent that six million dollars.

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Speaker 1: Oh todd sensor, Yeah, you're doing great with a teas

2093
01:54:30,760 --> 01:54:32,800
Speaker 1: because wow, do you have a moombstittle drop about the

2094
01:54:32,960 --> 01:54:36,120
Speaker 1: Norfolk Southern money. If this is folks, it just keeps

2095
01:54:36,160 --> 01:54:38,160
Speaker 1: getting better and better. The hits keep coming. We'll do

2096
01:54:38,240 --> 01:54:42,800
Speaker 1: more with Todd Zinser on Norfolk Southern Shenanigans. Oh yeah,

2097
01:54:43,240 --> 01:54:45,200
Speaker 1: I think provol has got a problem on his hands.

2098
01:54:45,240 --> 01:54:49,960
Speaker 1: I just wish it was more widely reported beyond Citizen Watchdog.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back. It's eight twenty five.

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Speaker 12: This is fifty five KRC and iHeartRadio City Talk Station.

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01:54:55,760 --> 01:54:59,600
Speaker 1: Brian Thomas with former US Inspector General citizen watchdog for

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Speaker 1: the residents in the city of Cincinnati, trying to ensure

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Speaker 1: that your taxpayer dollars are being well spent, but revealing

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Speaker 1: day in and day out with what he does. Apparently

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01:55:08,280 --> 01:55:11,640
Speaker 1: they're not Todd zenzer Up. I know we're gonna get

2106
01:55:12,040 --> 01:55:16,000
Speaker 1: the Norfolk Southern craziness here in a second. But since

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Speaker 1: we were talking about Irish Rolly that contract, one of

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Speaker 1: the components of it, as you laid out, I believe

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Speaker 1: it was the roughly two hundred or so thousand dollars

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Speaker 1: of this north of five hundred thousand dollars contract relates

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Speaker 1: to some program or something at Government Square. Now Government

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01:55:32,840 --> 01:55:34,920
Speaker 1: Square has been making in the news a lot lately,

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Speaker 1: and it's become a hotbed of crime in downtown Cincinnati.

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01:55:38,200 --> 01:55:40,120
Speaker 1: That's where the kids hang out, that's where the fights

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01:55:40,160 --> 01:55:43,360
Speaker 1: break out, a lot of terrible things, and of course

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01:55:43,480 --> 01:55:46,200
Speaker 1: people who are going back and forth from the various businesses.

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Speaker 1: Steve Gooden commented on this. His law firm is real

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Speaker 1: close by. They're afraid. Yeah, what did she do or

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01:55:53,640 --> 01:55:55,560
Speaker 1: what it looks like things have gotten worse over the

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Speaker 1: past several years. If this is part of her responsibility,

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Speaker 1: I mean, what does she have to show for and

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Speaker 1: what's being done right?

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Speaker 4: Well, back in twenty twenty four, I think they that

2124
01:56:06,200 --> 01:56:11,640
Speaker 4: was the first time they initiated this Government Square initiative,

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01:56:12,280 --> 01:56:18,280
Speaker 4: which involves in the specific case of Iris Rolly's contract,

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Speaker 4: they have four I think they call them community counselors

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Speaker 4: or community collaborative counselors or something like that. They have

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Speaker 4: those those individuals positioned at Government Square for certain hours

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Speaker 4: when the kids will be a changing buses or whatever.

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Speaker 1: It is they do down there in lieu of a

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Speaker 1: police presidence.

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Speaker 4: Correct, And they they have snacks and drinks that they

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Speaker 4: give to the kids. I guess they have some type

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Speaker 4: of interaction with the kids, to talk to them and

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Speaker 4: get to know them and things like that. And it's

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Speaker 4: another one of these alternative approaches to policing that if

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Speaker 4: they interact with these kids in a certain way rather

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Speaker 4: than in a law enforcement way, they're going to reduce

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Speaker 4: they're going to reduce attentions. And the issue is really

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Speaker 4: whether this whole collaborative agreement really is working, because it

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Speaker 4: sure doesn't seem like it.

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Speaker 1: No that, I mean, that's my point, right. There's a

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Speaker 1: specified component in the contract that it talks about the

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Speaker 1: problems we're having a government square. Again, I don't think

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Speaker 1: anybody can say anything, but it has gotten worse. So

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Speaker 1: do this people have a special hat or something that

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Speaker 1: they're issued easily identifiable government square, you know, civil service.

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Speaker 4: I do think they have T shirts or something like that. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 4: But the real problem is the way they contracted that

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Speaker 4: the original contract with IRIS was for consulting, and when

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Speaker 4: they amended the twenty twenty three contract to include the

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Speaker 4: government square initial that should have been a separate competitive contract.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely the sole.

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Speaker 4: Source justification to begin with is deficient. But it's especially

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Speaker 4: deficient to say that only IRIS Roley LLC can carry

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01:58:15,880 --> 01:58:19,600
Speaker 4: out the work at Government Square. I liken it to

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Speaker 4: the authorization for the use of military files.

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Speaker 1: It's like, we can use this for anything, we want

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Speaker 1: to use anything. Yeah, don't give her any ideas. We

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Speaker 1: gave the drone strikes lawn drone strikes launch. And then

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Speaker 1: there's the other nefarious component in here. And I'm not

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Speaker 1: suggesting that all nepotism hires are always bad in all times,

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01:58:44,160 --> 01:58:47,480
Speaker 1: but they do draw an eye of scrutiny, like, wait

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Speaker 1: a second, how did their son or daughter or best

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Speaker 1: friend end up in that particular role. Do they have

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Speaker 1: the requisite skill sets to bring about whatever it is

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01:58:55,800 --> 01:58:59,040
Speaker 1: they've been charged with doing. Enter Iris Roly's son. I

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Speaker 1: believe he's a convicted felon. Correct, Yes, Does that qualify

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Speaker 1: him to work on Government Square project?

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Speaker 4: Well, they don't line out the qualifications, but they should

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Speaker 4: be considered subcontractors. They're not employees of Iris Roley LLC.

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Speaker 4: They're subcontractors, and under the procurement rules, the contractor is

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Speaker 4: supposed to get permission from the city manager for any subcontractors.

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Speaker 4: I didn't get any of those documents either, so I

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01:59:31,080 --> 01:59:35,000
Speaker 4: really don't know who knows what about who Iris Roley

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01:59:35,080 --> 01:59:38,000
Speaker 4: is hiring. Her son is not the only one that's

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Speaker 4: had trouble with law enforcement. There's another individual who and

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Speaker 4: this individual's brother also is one of the four. He

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Speaker 4: was prosecuted for tax issues about ten years ago or

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01:59:55,760 --> 02:00:00,960
Speaker 4: fourteen years ago, and that involved tens of thousands of

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Speaker 4: dollars that were withheld from this person's employees that he

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Speaker 4: didn't remit to the IRS.

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Speaker 1: And then I takes their tax dollars out and he

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Speaker 1: doesn't hand him over to the IRS.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 4: I think that is a very common problem with some employers.

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Speaker 4: But the other issue is he apparently still owes hundreds

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Speaker 4: of thousands of dollars to the IRS. Probably a lot

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Speaker 4: of that is penalties and interest, but a couple of

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Speaker 4: years ago it was like eight hundred thousand dollars well.

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Speaker 1: And getting money directly from the City of Cincinnati. It

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Speaker 1: sounds to me like she submits the invoices as lacking

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Speaker 1: in detail as they are, gets paid the eight thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars or whatever, and then pays her son and the

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Speaker 1: other people that are on this government square board. The

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Speaker 1: money is flowing from Iris roly LLC.

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Speaker 4: Yes, one of the invoices that was provided by the

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Speaker 4: city includes copies of four canceled checks paid to these

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Speaker 4: four individuals, and that that was the extent of the

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Speaker 4: paperwork provided in connection with those four people.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's you know, that's a lot to process, and

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Speaker 1: the idea that this could go on and this could happen,

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Speaker 1: And then going back to the idea that the invoices

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Speaker 1: were specifically signed off on while they lacked all this information,

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Speaker 1: there's multiple layers of violations and built into this from

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Speaker 1: what I hear.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and what I can't figure out is it it

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02:01:25,640 --> 02:01:29,680
Speaker 4: is common for bureaucracies to do catch me if you can,

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Speaker 4: where they go ahead and they bend the rules or

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Speaker 4: even break the rules, and if you catch them, they say, oh,

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Speaker 4: we're sorry, we won't do it again.

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Speaker 1: But in this case, I don't know if it's really

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Speaker 1: you know, catch me if you can. I think it's

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Speaker 1: just you know, set up intentionally loose so this kind

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Speaker 1: of thing can happen. Well, yeah, that's what I would

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Speaker 1: look for. That's why we've got Todd Zenzer. That's why

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Speaker 1: we need to keep him around. And if you vote

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Speaker 1: Corey Bowman, maybe we'll get him as city manager. I'm

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Speaker 1: praying for that day, don't I'm not hanging you out

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Speaker 1: to dry there, Todd, I think you would help us

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Speaker 1: out immeasurably. Eight thirty five. We are going to talk

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Speaker 1: about the get ready, folks. I think it's getting worse

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Speaker 1: as the conversation draws longer in terms of how bad

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Speaker 1: things are in terms of improprieties. A thirty five Right now,

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Speaker 1: if you have ker Cite talk.

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Speaker 12: Station fifty five krc DCD talk station A thirty nine

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Speaker 12: if you have ker Cite talk station, Happy Friday. Brian Thomas, Swist,

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Speaker 12: Citizen Watchdog, Todd Zenzer and Studio just.

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Speaker 13: Man.

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Speaker 1: And the more I talk to Todd and the more

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Speaker 1: he reveals, the worse I feel about the city of

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati in the current administration. And since we do have

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Speaker 1: an election coming up beginning in November, early voting going

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02:02:37,280 --> 02:02:39,760
Speaker 1: on right now, we have a choice on mayor. And

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Speaker 1: I know Corey Moowment's fighting an uphill battle as a

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Speaker 1: Republican in a very blue city. But so many of

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Speaker 1: the residents of the city seem to be so upset

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Speaker 1: about so many things, and we're just adding multiple layers

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Speaker 1: onto that. You got to be a weed dweller to

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Speaker 1: talk about engage in the level of detail that todd

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Speaker 1: Sendser is working with. But as we're talking about DC,

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Speaker 1: this is actually going on behind the scenes. They have

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Speaker 1: processes in place for contracting and the like, they're not

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Speaker 1: following them. They have contractual obligations built into that contract.

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Speaker 1: For example, with Iris Roley, they're not being followed. That's

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Speaker 1: a huge red flag. And I'm just wondering as we

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Speaker 1: move over to Norfolk Southern Todd anything by way of

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Speaker 1: civil or criminal statutory violations that are suggested by what

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Speaker 1: you're revealing on this.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think I think that there are opportunities to

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Speaker 4: file lawsuits under Ohio Code for their you know, their

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02:03:33,920 --> 02:03:35,919
Speaker 4: breaching their fiduciary duties basically.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so this might have legs along some light because

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Speaker 1: then we have some really you know, activist lawyers out

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Speaker 1: there who are usually more than happy to see the

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Speaker 1: city for a variety of reasons.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the question, the reason I was hesitant in writing

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Speaker 4: about this is because there should be additional documentation and

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02:03:55,400 --> 02:03:58,280
Speaker 4: it's not forthcoming. So maybe the only way to get

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Speaker 4: that is through some kind of.

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Speaker 1: Lawsuit discovery requests for suingtal litigation toizends are pivoting over

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Speaker 1: to Norfolk Southern. Now, there was this swirling issue about

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Speaker 1: the money that was involved the marketing campaign, wasn't it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we were deciding whether or not we're going to sell

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Speaker 1: the railroad. Christopher smithm was a big no. A lot

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Speaker 1: of members accounts were big. As we ultimately sold it.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, everything's great. One point six billion dollars

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Speaker 1: an interest baring account. But lots of people were wondering

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Speaker 1: who in the hell funded the six million dollar ad

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Speaker 1: campaign for this one issue. You got the bottom of

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Speaker 1: that too, didn't you. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: The sole contributor to the to Build Cincinnati's Future, the

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Speaker 4: Political Action Committee, The sole contributor was Norfolk Southern, and

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Speaker 4: they contributed six million dollars. And the reason they were

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Speaker 4: able to do that is because under Ohio law on

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Speaker 4: ballot issues and those campaigns, there is no limit on

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Speaker 4: corporate contributions.

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Speaker 1: So and there is no thing such as a conflict

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Speaker 1: of interest. Norfolk Southern is titled to do an ad

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Speaker 1: campaign that operates in its best interest.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and early on it certainly looked like both the

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Speaker 4: city and the Railway Board was just going to step

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Speaker 4: back and let Norfolk Southern handle the campaign. That's basically

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Speaker 4: what happened, except that Norfolk Southern engaged the mayor to

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Speaker 4: appear in a set of TV commercials on the sale

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Speaker 4: of a public asset that is going to benefit Norfolk Southern,

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Speaker 4: and it was just kind of outrageous.

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Speaker 1: And when PG.

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Speaker 4: Sittenfeld got pardoned and there was a big hoopla over that,

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Speaker 4: I wrote an op ed and I said, well, that's fine,

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Speaker 4: but what has the city done about all the anti

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Speaker 4: corruption efforts that were made under the previous city council,

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Speaker 4: under the previous mayor.

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Speaker 1: Have they followed through on it? And the answer was no.

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Speaker 4: So in June I sent a letter to the City

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Speaker 4: Council and to the mayor, and I asked the City

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Speaker 4: Council to take all the anti corruption recommendations that had

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Speaker 4: been made prior to them coming on board, line them out,

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Speaker 4: and tell us what the status is. So that was

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Speaker 4: the request to the council. To the mayor, I asked

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Speaker 4: him for help in going to Norfolk Southern's pack and

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Speaker 4: getting greater disclosure on how the pack spent six million

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Speaker 4: dollars on that campaign, because I do not think it

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Speaker 4: cost six million dollars five point four million, ninety percent

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Speaker 4: of that Here we go folks went to a consulting

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Speaker 4: firm in Washington, d C. Called sk D Knickerbocker, and

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Speaker 4: they are a big time consultant in DC. They happened

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Speaker 4: to be on the Democrat side or Republican consultants just

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Speaker 4: like that. Sure for example, they were big from what

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Speaker 4: I understand, we're big on Hillary Clinton's campaign. And they

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Speaker 4: were given five point four million dollars by the pack

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Speaker 4: and the description of what that money was used for

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Speaker 4: was basically described in a handful of words, advised consulting, printing,

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Speaker 4: and apparently under the rules because I did consult with

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Speaker 4: an attorney under the rules, that's that's complying with the

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Speaker 4: campaign financial rules.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's less disclosure than IRIS were rely supposed to require.

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Speaker 1: When she's submitting her invoices under her contract, it's not

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Speaker 1: much different. So ad bys printing and quote unquote consulting whatever.

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Speaker 1: That is five point four million dollars, yes, on a

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Speaker 1: single issue campaign. Now you're in Hamilton County.

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Speaker 4: Now there's two big coincidences. Number one is that f

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Speaker 4: TAB Purvol's campaign treasurer was also the treasurer for Norfolk

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Speaker 4: Southern's Political Action Committee. And I actually filed a complaint

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Speaker 4: with the Elections Commission about disclosures there and how can

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Speaker 4: you have one person being a treasurer for both parties.

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Speaker 4: There's something called coordinated communications between campaigns, and the Election

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Speaker 4: Commission couldn't handle that issue, so they denied my complaint.

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Speaker 1: Well, you don't have to have any coordination if you're

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Speaker 1: the same guy exactly, like you're writing yourself a letter exactly,

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Speaker 1: so damn well what you're planning on doing.

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Speaker 4: So what happened is the treasurer did produce an affidavit

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Speaker 4: where he claimed he had nothing to do with who

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Speaker 4: appeared in those TV commercials. It was the PAS steering committee.

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Speaker 4: But we don't know who's on the steering committee. We

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Speaker 4: don't know whether those folks are all campaign contributors to

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Speaker 4: mayor Provol or whether they're just one person from Norfolk Southern.

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Speaker 4: They don't have to disclose that. So I asked the

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Speaker 4: mayor for help and identifying those people too.

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Speaker 1: And what did mister transparency say in response to that.

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Speaker 4: Well, he has not responded. That was June one, so

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Speaker 4: that was several months ago.

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Speaker 1: Several months ago. That'd be have to have Provol's way of,

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Speaker 1: you know, basically doing what my dad would do say

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Speaker 1: I've got two words for you and any happy birth.

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Speaker 1: In other words, no to your response for the information.

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Speaker 1: So just by ignoring it you get the same effect.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and that's basically how they treat a lot of

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Speaker 4: people that come to them with issues.

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Speaker 1: Well, we know how they treat everybody. Look at the

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Speaker 1: residents of Hyde Park, bond Hill. Yeah. One more with

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Speaker 1: todds ends or Citizen Watchdog in his podcasts and definitely

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Speaker 1: listen to it regularly. Eight forty six Right now fifty

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Speaker 1: five ker City Talk Station fifty five KRC and talk

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Speaker 1: station all apologies. Eight forty nine if you have car

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Speaker 1: City Talk station. One more segment here with Citizen Watchdog

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Speaker 1: todds enz or tob We were having a conversation off

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Speaker 1: I we I think you and I can agree, and

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Speaker 1: probably people who have been paying attention to where the

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Speaker 1: city dollars are going can agree. We're funding a lot

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Speaker 1: of non governmental organizations, Yes, and we've been down this

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Speaker 1: road before. The mayor and the city manager have a

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Speaker 1: huge amount of discretion to pick and choose which NGOs

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Speaker 1: get taxpayer dollars. Is that a fair statement? Yes? Among

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Speaker 1: these NGOs is an NGO called Centrifuse, Right, they have

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Speaker 1: a board of directors. What is Centrifuge being paid by

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Speaker 1: the city to allegedly do.

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, that's a good question, Brian, it's really

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Speaker 4: it's it would definitely be spelled out in like an

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Speaker 4: application for funding, but I haven't tracked that down. But

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Speaker 4: what centrifuse does is they help businesses start up. They

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Speaker 4: help start up businesses.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So if you young person, entrepreneur, you go to

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Speaker 1: Centrifuse I need some help starting a new business. They

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Speaker 1: provide you with some resources or send you over to

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Speaker 1: some folks that can help you out, maybe hook you

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Speaker 1: up with a financial lending company, that kind of thing. Right, Okay, Fine,

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Speaker 1: we can agree that the purpose may be noble. Whether

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Speaker 1: or not there should be an NGO out there with

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Speaker 1: taxpayer dollars doing it is another thing. They're getting. How

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Speaker 1: much money from the city.

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Speaker 4: They've been getting two hundred and fifty thousand year for

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Speaker 4: the past four or five six years. Well, it's well

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Speaker 4: over a million dollars over that period.

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Speaker 1: Of time, okay. And those board members have a fiduciary

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Speaker 1: obligation to serve the interest that they are being paid

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Speaker 1: to do. That's right. Who sits on that board among

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Speaker 1: the members of the board. Who is on the board

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Speaker 1: at Centerviews Well.

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Speaker 4: I found out earlier this year that the mayor have

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Speaker 4: to have provol sits on the board and has sat

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Speaker 4: on the board for his entire term. And what was

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Speaker 4: surprising is that last year, at the beginning of the year,

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Speaker 4: the city Council actually went through this issue of council

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Speaker 4: members sitting on the boards of directors of nonprofits, and

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Speaker 4: the city mayor, supported by the city solicitor, wrote a

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Speaker 4: memo that said that is not a good idea.

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Speaker 1: It's possible to do that, but.

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Speaker 4: There are so many things that you would have to

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Speaker 4: accommodate to comply with the ethics rules that it was

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Speaker 4: not recommended that the members of city council sit on

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Speaker 4: the boards of directors of nonprofits. And all the while

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Speaker 4: the mayor is sitting there overseeing this deliberation. He got

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Speaker 4: a copy of the city manager's memo like everybody else,

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Speaker 4: And as far as I know, there's been no disclosure

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Speaker 4: by the city by the mayor that he sits on

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Speaker 4: this board.

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Speaker 1: Now you're not he's not paid in this position. No, no,

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Speaker 1: he's not. But as mayor, a separate set of ethical

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Speaker 1: and fiduciary obligations exist to the taxpayers. That's correct. How

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Speaker 1: can he be in a position of deciding that his

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Speaker 1: own ngo or on which he sits on the board anyway,

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Speaker 1: gets money, right. Isn't that just an outrageous conflict of interest?

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Speaker 4: It does seem like that, Brian. I don't I don't

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Speaker 4: think Centrifuse has done anything wrong, and.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to suggest that, but I think it's.

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Speaker 4: Incumbent on the city to make sure that there's no

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Speaker 4: conflicts of interest going on. In fact, back in May,

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Speaker 4: I think I went down to City Hall because of

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Speaker 4: all the money they spend on these NGOs and nonprofits,

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Speaker 4: and I said, the least you could do is everybody

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Speaker 4: that submits, you know, input on how these NGOs should

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Speaker 4: be funded, everyone should sign a certification that they do

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Speaker 4: not have a conflict of interest, right.

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Speaker 1: Because here's how it might play out aftebs. I don't

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Speaker 1: get any money from them, Yeah, I got some money

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Speaker 1: going into this Centrifuse. Yes, I'm on the board of

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Speaker 1: directors parent. You had mentioned off Ara that the head

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Speaker 1: of Centrifuse makes three hundre grand a year. Yeah, just

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Speaker 1: about that. Okay, Now, what if he's looking for some

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Speaker 1: campaign money, he ends up sending money over to Centrifews

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Speaker 1: Centreviews agrees to pay. Maybe you have tab has no

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Speaker 1: connection with the amount of money that that guy pays.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that guy's friends with the ATAB pro ball and

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Speaker 1: maybe in return for getting a three hundred thousand dollars

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Speaker 1: years paycheck from centrifuse being doing NGO work, he decides that,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I am going to peel off a

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Speaker 1: few thousand dollars of my fat salary and give it

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Speaker 1: a mayor to be real. So there is a money

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Speaker 1: trail that could be easily created by virtue of the

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Speaker 1: allocation of money to an NGO, upon which after that

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Speaker 1: pur ball sits right. And this is just one e.

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Speaker 4: This is just one example of all of this spending

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Speaker 4: that they do with these nonprofits. It's a very high

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Speaker 4: risk area in terms of fraud, waste, and abuse because

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Speaker 4: there's no internal controls. There's no oversight of what these

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Speaker 4: folks are doing with their money. Some high level reports

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Speaker 4: back about what we did, but nobody's really looking at

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Speaker 4: these and even the internal auditor for the city has

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Speaker 4: identified problems with these nonprofits well, and.

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Speaker 1: Going back to this roly contract that involves government square

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Speaker 1: specific work, I think we can all figure out perhaps

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Speaker 1: that they haven't been able to accomplish anything. So the

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Speaker 1: return on our taxpayer investment for that one subset isn't

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Speaker 1: paying off.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's paying off well, neither do I.

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Speaker 1: I know it's a subjective conclud illusion. We can't be

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Speaker 1: held accountable for that. But crime and government square. Government

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Speaker 1: square as a concept has been in the news time

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Speaker 1: and time and time and time again. I have to

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Speaker 1: have Pearl Ball's been talking about it. The police resource

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Speaker 1: has been allocated to government Square. That sounds like a

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Speaker 1: bigger problem that they're trying to address than it was

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Speaker 1: maybe several years ago. So I'm gonna call it a failure.

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Speaker 1: Whatever they thought they were going to accomplish. Todd zinzer Man,

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Speaker 1: we unloaded a hell of a lot today. I can't

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Speaker 1: thank you enough for the work that you're doing. Maybe maybe,

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Speaker 1: maybe other local news will take the time to report

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Speaker 1: on all of this because it seems very newsworthy, and maybe,

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Speaker 1: just maybe this will end up in court my hope. Anyway, Todd,

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Speaker 1: thank you again. Okay, thank you Brian, You're always welcome here,

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Speaker 1: my friend. Always, we'll keep listening to your podcast, Citizen

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Speaker 1: Watchdog folks, you even get a chance