1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:02,240 Speaker 1: This is the Mark Mannon show. 2 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 2: Don't ask me, I don't know, and that especially applies 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 2: on using the cough button doll eight three three four 4 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 2: one two wxdx. 5 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: That's a three three four one two wxdx. Or do 6 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: what the Coole kids do and follow me on Twitter 7 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: at mark mann X. 8 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 2: I'm not sure this does the show any good, but 9 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 2: when hockey gets going, I get so much less interested 10 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 2: in football. You may have noticed that in the conversation 11 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 2: we've had this week, although with the Steelers not having 12 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 2: played a game, you know, for a couple of weeks 13 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 2: now since the game of Dublin. 14 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: That makes it kind of easier to go in the 15 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 1: direction I've chosen. 16 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 2: I understand that everyone thinks the allure of seven offensive 17 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 2: linemen and running a prehistoric offense merits a lot of analysis, 18 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 2: even though it absolutely requires no analysis. It's football one 19 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 2: oh one and then some going backwards. It's almost like 20 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 2: kindergarten football. I'm asking now, and we'll take calls next segment. 21 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 2: Does anybody else find that idiotic to the degree I do? 22 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 2: Using seven offensive line and down now we'll get to 23 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 2: you eight three three four one two wxdx. And how 24 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 2: much do games that are head to head between Garrett 25 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:23,320 Speaker 2: and Watt determine who's better, even when obviously they never 26 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 2: get on the field at the same time. So I 27 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 2: hate the seven offensive line, and you know what else 28 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 2: I hate. Here's my latest pet peeve I should do. 29 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 2: If I ever did a book, it might be not 30 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 2: I don't want to do an autobiography because if I 31 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 2: don't care, why would you. But I might do a 32 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 2: list of my all time pet peeves in joining pickleball 33 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 2: on the most recent list thereof electric bicycles, What the 34 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 2: frick is the point of an electric bicycle? It's bicycling 35 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 2: is something specifically designed to make you use physical effort. 36 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: That's the whole point. 37 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 2: So you're eliminating physical effort, just like pickleball. Pickleball, as 38 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 2: I've said many times, is like playing table tennis while 39 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 2: you're standing on the table. I had a decent night. 40 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 2: If you like what I like. I flipped around on TV. 41 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 2: Check out this list I flipped her on TV between 42 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 2: the baseball playoffs that seventy show NHL Network to see 43 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 2: highlights mostly Montreal and Toronto. Montreal be my mistress team. 44 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 2: Disappointing result there Toronto one five to two, Sachar Blue 45 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 2: a double empty net if you bet that covered? And 46 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 2: also uncut gems that great Sandler kind of gangster, really 47 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 2: visceral movie. I think one of his best efforts because 48 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 2: it's not typical Sandler, you know, laugh. 49 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: A lot comedy. In fact, it was anything but that. 50 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: In a lot of spots. 51 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,959 Speaker 2: You can watch five things at once if you're a 52 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 2: super genius and if you have the attention span of 53 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 2: a goats. 54 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:18,519 Speaker 1: Okay, so what else? We got? 55 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 2: More sound later from Paul Finebaum ripping Bill Belichick to 56 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 2: shreds and I guess Belichick might take a buy out 57 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 2: at North Carolina. It's cheap. It's only a million bucks 58 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 2: to buy him out. He said he might do that 59 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 2: if he can get another coaching job or. 60 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: A media job. 61 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll be lined up around the block to hire Bill. 62 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 2: After what's happened to Chapel Hill, No problem there. The 63 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 2: New York Times called Arch spanning quote unquote in an 64 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 2: article it synonymous with failure. And there's been backlash a 65 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 2: lot of stooge media, the usual suspects. 66 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: How can you say that after only five games, he's 67 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: a kid? Blah blah blah. 68 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 2: He making what eight million bucks down there in nil, 69 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 2: he's a paid professional. The stooges are mad because he's 70 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 2: a Manning, and the stooges think the Mannings are teflon 71 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 2: that they should be above criticism, especially the youngest of 72 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 2: the of the lineage. If this kid wasn't a Manning, 73 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 2: it'd be open season and criticizing. 74 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 1: Him would be no biggie. 75 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 2: He probably wouldn't be starting at Texas, especially after the 76 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 2: way he started. If this kid wasn't a Manning, he 77 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 2: wouldn't be in these conversations. It'd be just another college quarterback. 78 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 2: If this kid wasn't a Manning, he would not be 79 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 2: called a first ground talent, let alone a potential first 80 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 2: go overall pick. 81 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: So let's be honest about all that. 82 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 2: And if you're talking about you know, he shouldn't be 83 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 2: called synonymous with failure. Texas went from rank number one 84 00:04:58,440 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 2: in the country to three and two and out of 85 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 2: the top twenty five. 86 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: That defines failure. 87 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 2: Speaking of college quarterbacks who ain't doing so good on 88 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 2: the B team, they were talking about if the Steelers 89 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 2: should draft Drew Aller. 90 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: Of Penn State next year. They did that. 91 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 2: While I had sitt on the show. How is the 92 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 2: Steelers draft next year in April? Who they take? 93 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: How is that even a conversation? 94 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 2: Now, for Heck's sake, now here's my bottom line with 95 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 2: the Steelers. And by the way, come watch the game 96 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 2: with me at Big Fellas in Cannonsburg. That's Sunday at 97 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 2: one pm. It's easy to find right on East Pike 98 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 2: in Cannonsburg. Great Wings, any hoodles. The Steelers will win. 99 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 2: They will win. It'll be a one score game, it'll 100 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 2: be a rock fight, but the Steelers will win. Rogers 101 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 2: will navigate. The Steelers under Tom would have always found 102 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 2: out a way to win one score games. And while 103 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 2: that's dangerous, Turf Rogers's presence in his guile makes me 104 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 2: even more confident the Steelers can continue to do. 105 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 1: That with a high rate of success. 106 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 2: And while I like Cleveland playing five rookies, including Dylan 107 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 2: Gabriel a quarterback, Dylan Gabriel is not beating Aaron Rodgers 108 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:13,799 Speaker 2: in this game. 109 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 1: That simply has zero chance of happening. 110 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 2: That Cleveland defense is excellent, like we know with Garrett, 111 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 2: but the Cleveland offense, while it's promising, probably can't do 112 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 2: enough to win this game. And in terms of what's 113 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 2: at stake, Pittsburgh can't lose this game. 114 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: Just can't. Just frigg it can't if that means anything. 115 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 2: Now, the Steelers have had mostly good luck except for 116 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 2: that Caleb Johnson faux paus that lost the game against Seattle, 117 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 2: that kickoff air. You just don't want a big injury 118 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 2: like Baltimore and Cincinnati've had at the quarterback position. The 119 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 2: Steelers have had some nickel dime injuries, nothing major to 120 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 2: anybody major. Hopefully that continues. And like I said, the 121 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 2: Steelers have got to win this game. You know it's 122 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 2: on this morning. 123 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: This is the end. 124 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 2: Go go that suckus gots to go. I'll tell you 125 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 2: what happened, Franco. Uh bottom of the are we got 126 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 2: Josh Showy? I want your calls next? H Does the 127 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 2: Garrett want head to head matchup mean anything? 128 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: Uh? 129 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 2: Are you surprised Music is starting Jari in goal instead 130 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 2: of shilloffs? And the most important thing, do you think 131 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 2: using seven offensive linemen is as ridiculous as I think 132 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 2: it is? I got a tweet a response to a 133 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 2: tweet saying, well, they're not technically using seven offensive lineman? 134 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: Yeah they are? 135 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 2: Okay, they got the five offensive linemen, they got the 136 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 2: mammoth tight end, and they got the extra tackle. That 137 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 2: is seven offensive linemen. And you know, I know, like 138 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 2: say Gronk was a big tight end. Kelsey's a big 139 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 2: tight end. They were out there to play tight end. 140 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 2: But Washington's out there to just be a second extra tackle. 141 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 2: Don't forget you eat the bottom of the ir one 142 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 2: oh five nine, stopping. 143 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 3: Going now the super genius Mark Madden Uberghinias. 144 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, Park, welcome show. Well if I won over, Buddy 145 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 2: bedating dust to road Tomican Dream, so be it baby 146 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 2: the ex at one oh five nine. As we talked 147 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 2: about earlier, the Cleveland Bronson doing some weird things. They 148 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 2: traded one dB for another pretty much the same dB, 149 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 2: and of course they traded Flacco to Cincinnati earlier this week. 150 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 2: Here's Kevin Stefanski, Cleveland's coach, and he's saying he and 151 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 2: his staff were blindsided by flac Obian swapped to Cincinnati. 152 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: Oh. 153 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:51,199 Speaker 4: First I tell you is that Joe trade took us 154 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 4: by surprise. That was not something that we saw coming. 155 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 4: You know, they called us and you know that's uh, 156 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 4: it was happened very fast, and happened not too long ago, 157 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 4: so still working through all roster type of things. 158 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: That kind of. 159 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 2: Confirms what I thought all along about what's going on 160 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 2: in Cleveland with the owner in Stefanski maybe not being 161 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 2: on the same page with a lot of stuff. 162 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: I thought right at the get go. 163 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 2: When that choice took place in the fifth round of 164 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 2: the draft, that the owner wanted to draft. 165 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: Sanders with the coach not necessarily buying. 166 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 2: And why would the coach want to draft the fifth 167 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 2: round quarterback when they already drafted a third round quarterback 168 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 2: with Dylan Gabriel. And now the owner wants Shador to play, 169 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 2: so he's clearing that path by eliminating Flacco. But the 170 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 2: coach may still feel different because the word is that 171 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 2: the Brons might make Jabbroni quarterback Bailey Zappi the number 172 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 2: two on Sunday at Pittsburgh, leaves Shadoor as the emergency quarterback. 173 00:09:58,360 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: So stay tuned. 174 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 2: But how often is the head coach not know about 175 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 2: a trade, let alone when it's a quarterback. 176 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: Let's go to Derek. Derek, go to Mark Madden show. 177 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 5: Hey, Mark, you and Salm were talking about the Islanders 178 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 5: being our bogie team in some of the notable times 179 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 5: they've eliminated us in the playoffs. I feel like you 180 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 5: guys may have omitted twenty nineteen when they swept us 181 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 5: in Round one. That was only, you know, a year 182 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 5: removed from being back to back champions, and we were 183 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 5: legit and tenders still. 184 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 2: And no, no, they weren't legit contenders anymore. 185 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: You may have thought that. 186 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 2: I knew they weren't then, and they continued to fade 187 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 2: from there, although they put up a better fight in 188 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 2: series after that, not even against Montreal in the COVID 189 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 2: Cup though, But the Penguins were done as a legit 190 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 2: Stanley Cup contender once they lost an overtime in Game 191 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 2: six of the second round to Washington in twenty eighteen. 192 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 5: Right, well, if that's the case, then they were even 193 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 5: less of a contender in twenty one when the Islanders 194 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,439 Speaker 5: eliminated them. But also that's the first time the islandert 195 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 5: eight team since they won the nineteen Thank. 196 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: You for the call, I heard you the first time. 197 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, but twenty one and nineteen doesn't compare even remotely 198 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 2: to seventy five, eighty two and ninety three, not even remotely. 199 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 2: We were talking about how much I hate the seven 200 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 2: offensive lineman thing with the Steelers. I keep hearing the 201 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 2: offensive line is improving. And in Dublin, okay, Steelers at 202 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty one yards rushing, that's good and 203 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 2: the average of four point five yards per carry that's good. 204 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: Those were both season highs A lot two sacks. That's 205 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: not horrible. 206 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 2: Everybody graded out good at Pro Football Focus for what 207 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 2: that's worth. But is did they did they great out 208 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 2: good because they played good? 209 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 1: Or because you use. 210 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 2: Seven offensive linemen when most teams only use five? And 211 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 2: is that why you used seven offensive linemen? 212 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: Who's the rat? Am I the rat? I hate all this? 213 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: It confuses me. What's the over under? 214 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 2: By the way, when high Smith gets hurt again, what's 215 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 2: the over Underwe Friarmouth and John who are visibly pissed 216 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:10,079 Speaker 2: and pop off about being on the payano mine list again. 217 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:13,079 Speaker 2: I know the Steelers are three and one and you're 218 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 2: yank and cranking. Don't wake up and thank me. But 219 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 2: I don't understand so much of what's going on. And 220 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 2: the Roman Wilson thing him behind Scronic and Miller, I mean, 221 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 2: just that. 222 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: Makes no sense. Is Warren Beck this week? 223 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 2: Does you start ahead of gain well again, how the 224 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 2: figure the Steelers three and one because everything is so haphazard, 225 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 2: And I'll tell you how the biggest factors Rogers, that 226 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 2: guile Rogers is the reason until they draft Drew Aller, 227 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 2: Wat and Hayward have come around. Harmond has helped. Benton 228 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 2: didn't suck for change at Dublin. So I get three 229 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 2: and one. I'm not overestimating three and one. I'm expecting 230 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 2: five and one, but I'm prepared to be disappointed too 231 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 2: in these next two weeks. 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Lobbi, 250 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 6: and the Penguins will face the Islanders for their home 251 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 6: opener tonight. Pittsburgh's looking for a tu and oh start 252 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 6: after they took down the Rangers on Tuesday. 253 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: I'm Scott David said at Levin you'll find the perfect 254 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: dining sad for every gather, like for. 255 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 2: Example, this show I want to Now, I'm gonna cut 256 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:05,839 Speaker 2: you off where you can make a jump with the 257 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 2: exit one O five nine. Peng was at home first 258 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 2: home game of the year. They host the New York Islander. Schaeffer, 259 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 2: the first round pick overall in the lineup for the 260 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 2: Isle on defense, joining me now to talk about the 261 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 2: game and about the Penguins. He covers the team for 262 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 2: the Athletic It's Josh, Joey, Josh, Tristan Jarry and Gold 263 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 2: Tonight after shiloffs pitched a shutout at New York on Tuesday. 264 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 2: Does that surprise you at all. 265 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 7: A little bit? 266 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: Mark? 267 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 7: I think obviously it was pre determined that one guy 268 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 7: would get the opener and the other guy would get 269 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 7: the home opener. And I honestly think this is an 270 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 7: open goaltending competition right now. I think whoever plays better 271 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 7: in the first couple of weeks is going to get 272 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 7: the bulk of the playing time. But I I personally 273 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 7: Mark probably would not have started Jarry and the home opener. 274 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 7: He does not have a good history of playing well 275 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 7: in that building when they're a lot of people in 276 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 7: the building, when there's a big game atmosphere like tonight 277 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 7: will be. And I think there's even more pressure on 278 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 7: him now after the other guy pushes a shutout in 279 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 7: the garden, So everybody's going to be keeping a close 280 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 7: eye on him in the first period given his recent 281 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 7: history in these kinds of moments. 282 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 2: One shot, one goal. Uh, I'm worried already that Muse 283 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 2: might be too good a coach. He might keep the 284 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 2: Penguins from getting a top five pick. 285 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: What has Mews changed at a glance so far. 286 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 7: Well, I mean he's got them buying into playing defensive, responsible, 287 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 7: professional two way hockey, and that, frankly, is something that 288 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 7: Mike Sullivan really struggled with. I think the last couple 289 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 7: of years. I think Sullivan wanted him to play that way. 290 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 7: I just don't think he could get them to And 291 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 7: clearly everybody's on the same page right now. And it 292 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 7: was only one game. Of course, maybe they go out 293 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 7: and give up six tonight, who knows. But we saw 294 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 7: throughout preseason training camp everything like there was just more 295 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 7: attention to detail with, you know, the defense aspects of 296 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 7: the game, situational hockey, the areas where the Penguins have 297 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 7: struggled so mightily in the last couple of years. And 298 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 7: I think it starts with Eric Carlson and Crystal Tang. 299 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 7: Both of them were very good the other night. We 300 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 7: didn't see them making the colossal mistakes that we've seen 301 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 7: so much of the last couple of years. It always 302 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 7: starts with those two with the Penguins. 303 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just the Carlson thing. You wrote about that 304 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 2: at length. I was amazed by how well he played 305 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 2: and how he played the right way and didn't really 306 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 2: put a foot wrong. It's amazing that a coach who's 307 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 2: never been a head coach for even one game in 308 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 2: the NHL before got Eric Carlson to change his game 309 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 2: to that degree first time out. 310 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 7: And I don't think it's just a fluky one night thing, 311 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 7: because he looked great in the preseason games as well. 312 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 7: Just watching him and training camp, he looked like a 313 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 7: different guy. And Eric has never told me this, and 314 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 7: Mike Sullivan never told me this. But I don't think 315 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 7: those two guys ever saw eye to eye. I really 316 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 7: don't think Carlson like playing for Sullivan for whatever reason. 317 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 7: I don't think he likes playing for most coaches, but 318 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 7: obviously he seems willing to embrace what Dan muses is 319 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 7: coaching at the moment. And no, he looks like a 320 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,199 Speaker 7: different guy to me. And I will say this in 321 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 7: his defense, and those of them haven't really not offending 322 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 7: the way he's played the last two years. But last 323 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 7: year specifically, he did not have a training camp. Carlson, 324 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 7: he was hurt and he was unbelievably bad in October 325 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 7: and November. I do think that probably played a role. 326 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 7: I think having a camp and being healthy entering the season. 327 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 7: I'm man as he looked different, and if nothing less, 328 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 7: mark it makes them more tradable. It really does, and 329 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 7: then there's something to be said for that if that's 330 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 7: what it ultimately comes to. 331 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: I like coven and with Sid. 332 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 2: I think Covenan has a bit of the Jake Denzil 333 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 2: about him. I might put Kindle with Sid for a 334 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 2: game they move Kindle to wing because Kendall seems to 335 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 2: think the game a bit like Sid. 336 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 7: What do you think, boy, it's the first shift the 337 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 7: other night? Is any indicating any indication? I would say yes. 338 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:02,719 Speaker 7: And I didn't think Coyvenan was very good the other night. 339 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 7: But I do think he has a really high hockey 340 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 7: IQ it he'll play well with other players. Kendall is 341 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 7: I think, maybe even an extreme version of that. He's 342 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 7: not that big, he's not that fast, but he always 343 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 7: has the puck and he always knows where to go 344 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 7: and he always makes the right decision, which for an 345 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 7: eighteen year old is especially rare. I'd love to see it. 346 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 7: I'd be all for it. Kendall is fascinating to me. Mark. 347 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 7: He wasn't really that great in the rookie camp in July, 348 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 7: didn't really jump out. Beginning of training camp. He was fine. 349 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 7: He didn't really notice it, and then about a week 350 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 7: into training camp, like something just switched to him and 351 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 7: every single day he got better and better and better, 352 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 7: and everyone who's you know, at practices were kind of 353 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 7: like looking at each other like, geez, where did this 354 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 7: guy come from all of a sudden And for an 355 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 7: eighteen year old Another thing about him, Mark like, usually 356 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 7: eighteen year old forwards, Yeah, they've got the skill level 357 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:53,959 Speaker 7: and they think the game whatever. They're usually not very 358 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 7: good defensively. He was exceptional the other night in New York. 359 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 7: He won four to five base offs. He was really 360 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 7: good defensively. You don't see that from a player that 361 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 7: aged that position very often. 362 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: How would you. 363 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:06,919 Speaker 2: Break down all three kids in that game? He just 364 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 2: did kindle go a little deeper with and Brunick. 365 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 7: Uh Brunick. You know, he took the bad penalty on 366 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 7: his first shift, and he looked a little nervy to 367 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 7: me in the first period, and he admitted as much 368 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 7: after the game. But boy, I thought he kept getting 369 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 7: better and better, and it's that skating ability of his. 370 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 7: You saw it in the third period. It looked like 371 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 7: the Penguins were in trouble. Trouble on a couple of ships, 372 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 7: and he just skated his way out of trouble. He 373 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 7: has that ability. I thought he was very good. I 374 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 7: didn't love Coven's game. I thought he was forcing the 375 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 7: puck to sit a little too much. He probably should 376 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 7: have shot more. Remember, though, he's never really played with 377 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 7: Sid before. And some guys can play with Sid and 378 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 7: some can't, and it's still, you know, a learning process. 379 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 7: I'm curious to see what happens when Brian Russ comes back, 380 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 7: which could be as soon as this weekend. He's very 381 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 7: close to being ready. H Maybe if they just put 382 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 7: Russ and Raquel right back on the top line with 383 00:19:58,760 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 7: Sid and Sli. 384 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 1: Or maybe not. 385 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 7: I don't know. They're gonna have some decisions to make though. 386 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: See I know Sid will want rust and Raquel. 387 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 2: I wouldn't do that because part of Sid's job is 388 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 2: to develop the kids. And that means to me, either 389 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 2: Coyvenin or Kindle while he's still here, plays on his line. 390 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 7: I don't disagree with that, And you know, look at 391 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 7: the depth that can give you. I mean that they've 392 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 7: got a pretty decent looking forward set right now, and 393 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,400 Speaker 7: that's not including Brian Rustin, Rucker McGorty, who I don't 394 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 7: think is that far away from being ready to play either. 395 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 7: That's how you win in this league when you can 396 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 7: have three really good lines, Believe it or not. There's 397 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 7: a chance they can have that with the collection of 398 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 7: talent to it, which makes things all the more interesting 399 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,159 Speaker 7: right now, Mark, because I think in the minds of 400 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 7: so many people the goal is to get a top 401 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 7: five pick. And I know it's only been one game, 402 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 7: but you can see that this is a team that's 403 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 7: on the same page right now, that's been good defensively, 404 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 7: and then you look at the group of forwards they have. 405 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 7: It doesn't really look like a bottom five NHL team 406 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 7: to me. 407 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 2: No, not right now, but that defensive group could change 408 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 2: that in the wink of an eye and in my tonight, 409 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 2: but I hope not. What do you think Kendall has 410 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 2: any chance to stick all year? I think Brunick likely 411 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 2: will because he's clearly not grown juniors, but I wonder 412 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 2: if Kendall hasn't too, at least mentally. 413 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 7: I still will say that I think it's unlikely that 414 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 7: Kendall stays, but I also think he can have a 415 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 7: say in that, Mark if he plays the next eight 416 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 7: games the way he did the other night at the Garden. Like, 417 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,719 Speaker 7: I don't think they're against the idea of keeping him. 418 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: I really don't. 419 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 7: I think the odds are he still goes back down 420 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,199 Speaker 7: to junior for a year, but we'll see he is. 421 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,239 Speaker 7: I think he has surprised even the Penguins with how 422 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 7: quickly he has progressed, and it's nothing less. This is 423 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 7: a kid with clearly a very bright future, and Brunick, 424 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 7: my guess, says he will stay number one. I just 425 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 7: think he's ready to play in the NHL. He'll make 426 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 7: his mistakes, he can have some growing pains. I think 427 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 7: he will stay because he's earned it, and frankly, their 428 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 7: blue line is so bad there's room for him to 429 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 7: play twenty minutes a night this season, and I think 430 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 7: there's a chance that he will. 431 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 2: We're talking to Josh Joy the athletic here on one 432 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 2: oh five ninety x uh. I like Tamalkin centering two 433 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 2: other six foot five guys. Maybe with Gino's speed, diminishing 434 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 2: size matters more. I don't know if that's a long 435 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 2: term thing. I do like that they tried it and 436 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 2: look decent on Tuesday. 437 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 7: Yeah, kind of an interesting philosophical thing. Because as Gino 438 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 7: slowed down in the last couple of years, Mike Sullivan's 439 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 7: believe was always to flank him with fast wingers, that 440 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 7: that would help him. And you could understand the thinking there, 441 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 7: whereas Dan muses more along the lines of you know what, 442 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 7: it's going to be a slow line with Gino on it. 443 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 7: But Gino's still a big man, so basically more of 444 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 7: a half court offense approach. We're not going to score 445 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 7: on the rush on that line, but we got three 446 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 7: really big guys and maybe it'll work. I don't know. 447 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 7: I mean, there's no denying that was the Penguin's best 448 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 7: line in New York the other night in Malkin just 449 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 7: a magnificent play on the first goal going forward on 450 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 7: the faceoff, and by the way, he did that against 451 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 7: Vince Trochuck is one of the best face off guys 452 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 7: in the league. That was a great play Malkin made. 453 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 7: We'll see if it works. But Gino has always been 454 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 7: pretty adaptable. He's played with power forwards like Bugsy Malone 455 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,479 Speaker 7: and had a lot of success, and he's played with smaller, 456 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 7: quicker guys as well and had success. So he can 457 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 7: really play with anybody and if one night is any 458 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 7: indication that line was pretty impressive, I'm curious to see 459 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 7: how it does tonight against the Islanders and again in 460 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 7: the rematch against the Rangers on Saturday. 461 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 2: As I mentioned, I still don't trust the defensive corps. 462 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 2: Although I thought, you know, we talked about Carlson, I 463 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 2: thought the tang was actually pretty good, and I think 464 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 2: Bruni can be pretty good as the left side. I 465 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 2: wonder about how will that left side ultimately shake down 466 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 2: and at what point are they tempted to move Dumba 467 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,439 Speaker 2: to the left side, who did not play the other night. 468 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 7: And I think we'll see that at some point. I'm 469 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 7: not a huge Caleb Jones fan. I think he's an 470 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 7: AHL defenseman, quite honestly, and Witherspoon's you know, okay, but 471 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 7: really just okay. He's really more of a seven defenseman. 472 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 7: I think we will see Dumba in the lineup. Dumba 473 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 7: had a really good training camp Mark and even though 474 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 7: he's right handed, he has played on the left side before. 475 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 7: I think he's capable of being pretty functional over there, 476 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,199 Speaker 7: and I just like the muscle that he plays with. 477 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 7: He's got a nasty edge about him, which that Blue 478 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 7: line so badly needs. I was surprised he wasn't somewhere 479 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 7: in the lineup to begin in New York, just given 480 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 7: the training camp that he had. He's absolutely one of 481 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 7: the penguins six best defensemen. I he'll be in the 482 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 7: lineup pretty quickly, I would think, and I think they 483 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 7: can use him because that left side mark. I mean, 484 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,640 Speaker 7: it's a real problem. When Ryan Shay's your most reliable 485 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 7: defenseman on the left side, that's not a good sign. 486 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 2: I know it's only one game, but I thought the 487 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 2: biggest development from Tuesday, Josh was the Penguins don't feel 488 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 2: stale anymore, and that's on so many levels, and the 489 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 2: kids have clearly invigorated the veterans. 490 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 7: Yeah, completely agree. I can't tell you how many fans 491 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 7: have said to me in the last week, like, I'm 492 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 7: more excited for the season than I have been in years. 493 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 7: I don't know why, And I think that's it. I 494 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 7: think when you have a new coaching staff, there's something 495 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 7: exciting about that. But even more importantly, when you have 496 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 7: a couple of teenagers, not just teenagers, but teenagers with 497 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 7: real potential who are actually getting to play, and I 498 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 7: think you're getting a coaching staff that isn't doing the 499 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 7: same old thing, that isn't just going to start Triston 500 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 7: Jarry and Opening Night because that's what they've always done 501 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 7: the last five years. I think there's something to be 502 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 7: said for that. And the Penguins are still very much 503 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 7: in a rebuilding phase. And I would caution people about 504 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 7: getting too excited just because of what you saw in 505 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 7: one night, because I think the Rangers might really stink, 506 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 7: but no, things are starting to progress. There is even 507 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 7: more real talent on the way. I think just the 508 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,400 Speaker 7: presence mark of Sergei Miroshov and people getting to see 509 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 7: him in the preseason, I think that adds to it too, 510 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 7: because you see that guy, it's like, boy, we might 511 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 7: really have a number one goaltender here in the next 512 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 7: one months. And so you put it all together. Yes, 513 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 7: there is a feeling of excitement that hasn't been here 514 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 7: the last two or three years. 515 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: No question. 516 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 2: Well here's a weird question, and I'm maybe getting carried 517 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 2: away here. The traditional line of demarcation for whether or 518 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 2: not you have a chance to make the playoffs is Thanksgiving. 519 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 2: Very rarely, when a team's not in a playoff spot 520 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 2: at Thanksgiving, do they make it. Let's say the Penguin 521 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 2: somehow in a crappy division, in a crappy conference, or 522 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 2: in let's say third place in the metro come Thanksgiving, 523 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:31,959 Speaker 2: do you call Morishov up? 524 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 1: Then if he's playing well in Wilkes. 525 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,439 Speaker 7: Well, if they're in third place, then I have to 526 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 7: assume the goaltenders here aren't playing poorly. 527 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 2: So he is sparkling, sparkling in Wilkes and maybe one 528 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 2: goalie here is playing worse than the other. 529 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 7: I would do it, but I suspect Kyle Douglas would 530 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 7: be a little more patient than that. But I will say, 531 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 7: at some point, I think Thanksgiving might be too early. 532 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 7: But if there's on a playoff, spot's say, come January, 533 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 7: that that's a little different. If you get to the 534 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 7: halfway point of the season or past that and they 535 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 7: are like whether they want a top five pick or not. 536 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 7: If they get off to a great start, everything is 537 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 7: rolling and you know, expectations are being exceeded. Yeah, at 538 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 7: some point they're going to say, okay, if we have 539 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,159 Speaker 7: a chance to make the playoffs, but we're not going to, 540 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 7: you know, deny our fans and deny Sidney Crosby of 541 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 7: that chance, we're not going to thank And yeah, at 542 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 7: some point they would bring him up. It's a matter 543 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 7: of time before mirror shops up. 544 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 1: Anyway. 545 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 7: I do think, by the way, regardless of how they're 546 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 7: doing in the standings, that we will see him at 547 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 7: some point this season. He's not far away, yea. 548 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: If only for a cup of coffee. 549 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 2: Another weird question giving giving the muses is supplanted Sullivan. 550 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: Sully never played kids in overtime. 551 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,959 Speaker 2: If a game goes to overtime, like I'm predicting tonight's 552 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 2: will Josh, just because I'm asking this question, will he 553 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 2: play Brunick Kindall or Clavenon. 554 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 7: I think he will. And I've been told by people 555 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 7: are on the Penguins since literally the day he was 556 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 7: hired that in regards to the twenty five to twenty 557 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 7: sixth season, they are going young. 558 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 1: You are going to. 559 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 7: See young guys playing in situations when you never thought 560 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 7: you would. So, Yes, Brudock was made for three on three. 561 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 7: Kendall probably as well. I'm telling you the young guys, 562 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 7: as long as they're here, they're going to play. This 563 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 7: isn't going to be like Alexei Morozov playing six minutes 564 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 7: to night on the fourth line, you know, twenty five 565 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 7: years ago. It's not going to be like that at all. Yeah, 566 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 7: he is going to sink or swing with those kids. 567 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 7: He knows, that's why he was brought here to develop them. 568 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 7: And they're frankly ahead of schedule in some cases. I 569 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 7: don't think he's going to shy away from that one bit. 570 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 2: What did they start up three and zero because they 571 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 2: could next two games at home? 572 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: The Rangers are here Saturday. They stink. The Islanders tonight 573 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: aren't really much better, are they? 574 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 7: No, they're not. I mean two of the three California 575 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 7: teams aren't very good, and that's where they play next 576 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 7: week too. It's not a brutal start schedule wise for 577 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 7: the Penguins. It wouldn't shock me. I mean, granted, they 578 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 7: look good the other night, so it's easy to say now. 579 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 7: But sometimes Mark, when there's a new coach, you know, 580 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 7: it just has a way of triggering good things for 581 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 7: hockey teams. I don't know why it is that way 582 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 7: in hockey more than other sports, it teems like, but 583 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 7: that absolutely is the case. And I will say this 584 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 7: about the Penguins. I certainly don't think they're a playoff team. 585 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 7: But two things. Number One, I think they're probably a 586 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 7: little better on paper that people give them credit for, 587 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 7: even though I don't like the blue line. And number two, 588 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 7: the Eastern Conference really stinks. It is not good at all. 589 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 7: Like as bad as the Penguins have been the last 590 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 7: two or three years, if they would have had average 591 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 7: NHL goaltending, they're still probably a playoff team. So there's 592 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 7: an argument to be made that they're not quite as 593 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 7: bad as people necessarily think. 594 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 2: And the X factor like always a Sid because he 595 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 2: seems clearly and obviously energized by these kids. And if 596 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 2: he can maintain that and it trickles down to the 597 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 2: other veterans, that could be interesting. 598 00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 7: He always plays well when there's a surge of young 599 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 7: players around, like I really think he embraces the role 600 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 7: now of being the old guy and showing them the 601 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 7: way Mark I wish I could have had been able 602 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 7: to take a picture of it outside of the locker room. 603 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 7: After the morning skate at the garden on Tuesday, Ben 604 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 7: Kendall was on an exercise bike and I just saw 605 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 7: Sid standing there talking with him for about fifteen or 606 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 7: twenty minutes, Like he just does that kind of thing 607 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 7: with young players. You can't put a price on that 608 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 7: kind of thing. The way he's grooming these young guys. 609 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 7: He has energized right now. And he didn't get a 610 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 7: point the other night. He didn't play poorly. I bet 611 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 7: you he does something big tonight. It's just the kind 612 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 7: of occasion of which he almost always does. 613 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: Josh you're the man. I'll see it tonight at the game. 614 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 7: All I see tonight mark. 615 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: That josh Oey the athletic. 616 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 2: By the way, a couple segments back was brought to 617 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 2: us by Danny's Pizzor and Hogies on Rudy eighty eight 618 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 2: and Bethel Park. If I miss you the first time, 619 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 2: I'll get you the next time.