WEBVTT - The Nightcap with Gary Jeff Walker -- 12/16/25

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<v Speaker 1>Stepping in and a guy who's on the phone, as

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<v Speaker 1>you can hear, chomping at the bitch to get to

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it is we're going to talk about. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of times he is at the back end

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<v Speaker 1>of the show, and if you're on the back end,

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<v Speaker 1>the view always looks the same. But if you're on

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<v Speaker 1>the front end, you're the first, it means that you

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<v Speaker 1>have a level of importance that is unparalleled in the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of the three hours. When you are the first guest,

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<v Speaker 1>you are the setting the table for the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the show. And how this interview goes will dictate how

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<v Speaker 1>great this show is or maybe not. Well, we're about

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<v Speaker 1>to find out. So this is not a test, Ladies

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<v Speaker 1>and gentlemen, This is Andy Furman with Gary Jeff on

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<v Speaker 1>the Nightcap.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome sir.

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<v Speaker 3>First of all, get your lips off my dery air. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>of course, it doesn't work that way. It's like a crescendo.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like the worst guest is first, and it gets

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<v Speaker 3>better if it goes on. Get it okay, But I'm

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<v Speaker 3>glad to do it. I get it over with. That's

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<v Speaker 3>the way I feel right now. The way you introduce me,

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<v Speaker 3>don't don't. Don't put it in a pecking order. I

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<v Speaker 3>just happen to be on and I'm on now, all right.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean a happy happy Holidays to you, Merry Christmas

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<v Speaker 3>to you, Happy happy birthday.

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<v Speaker 4>Today's my birthday too.

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<v Speaker 2>Happy birthday. Mine is next Monday.

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<v Speaker 3>I know it is. And I say, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 3>be there with you.

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<v Speaker 1>I want you to be there. I want to just

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<v Speaker 1>celebrate together with the with the music professor.

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<v Speaker 2>And I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And you can tell, you can tell Seg how

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<v Speaker 1>much you love him, because this.

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<v Speaker 4>Is I do love Seg, I really do.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the this is the time of year for

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<v Speaker 1>Sega clause. Do you think that Joe Burrow is just

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<v Speaker 1>happy to get the season over?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh? You know, I'm not going to be like every

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<v Speaker 3>other media person in this town psychoanalyzing Joe Burrow. It's

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<v Speaker 3>not my job. Okay, it's not their job either.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>Their job is to see him play football. And he

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<v Speaker 3>didn't play well on Sunday, and he admitted that let

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<v Speaker 3>it go, you know, and now in a speculation, he's

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<v Speaker 3>not gonna play yet, he's gonna leave you. You know what,

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<v Speaker 3>I get it. It's good take, it's good clicks. That's

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<v Speaker 3>what it is. We live in a society of clicks.

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<v Speaker 3>People live on that media. People love that. They don't

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<v Speaker 3>have to be correct. They just want people clicking on

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<v Speaker 3>their site, on their social media platform.

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<v Speaker 4>That's all it is.

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<v Speaker 3>I refuse to do that. I will not do that,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. And it's not a question of my being

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<v Speaker 3>right anymore. It's a question of being first. That's what

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<v Speaker 3>people want, you know that, And I want that, and

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<v Speaker 3>I've seen it, and I've seen it happen. I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's disgusting, you know, I'm hearing sports took people behind

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<v Speaker 3>the microphone with no sense or responsibility saying Joe Burrow

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<v Speaker 3>has bigger problems than football. I wonder what it could be.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not football related? And will he leave here? He

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't like it here is Look, you're the same people

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<v Speaker 3>that were pounding saying that Joe Burrow tells the organization

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<v Speaker 3>what to do. Well, you know what, maybe it was

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<v Speaker 3>a good thing that Joe Burrow had a piss poor

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<v Speaker 3>game on Sunday because now he doesn't have to tell

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<v Speaker 3>the organization what to do. He needs to go back

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<v Speaker 3>to the drawing board and do it himself. Okay, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>kind of happy in a way that he proved that

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<v Speaker 3>he's not Superman with the Cape, He's no longer.

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<v Speaker 5>He's a great quarterback.

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<v Speaker 3>He may very well be the best quarterback on Bengal history.

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<v Speaker 3>But he's normal like everybody else.

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<v Speaker 1>No, Josh Allen's Superman. You can't have two the same

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<v Speaker 1>superhero in one league.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you're gonna have.

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<v Speaker 3>You may be right about that and what he did,

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<v Speaker 3>and this New England on Sunday may very well be Superman.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe Joe Burrow as Batman. Maybe Joe Burrows.

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<v Speaker 3>And maybe I'm robbin. I don't know, but I will

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<v Speaker 3>tell you this much. I'm happy about one thing you

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<v Speaker 3>can talk about, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow. I like old

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<v Speaker 3>guys because I'm an old guy right now, and people

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<v Speaker 3>love old guys making young guys look silly. And Phil

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<v Speaker 3>Rivers came back there. Philip Rivers at forty four our grandpa. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>he doesn't play his twenty twenty, hasn't played in five years,

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<v Speaker 3>forty four years of age, playing for the Indianapolis Coat

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<v Speaker 3>look good. Coach's loss on a heartbreak with the field goal.

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<v Speaker 3>But he's going to play Monday night against the forty nine,

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<v Speaker 3>it's got to be musty TV.

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<v Speaker 5>And here's a.

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<v Speaker 3>Quarterback who once played an AFC championship game, get this

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<v Speaker 3>one week after he tore an anterior cruciate ligament. And honestly,

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<v Speaker 3>that just shows you the toughness, the toughness and the

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<v Speaker 3>pride that he has. You know why I say that

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<v Speaker 3>this guy's on the cusp of the Hall of Fame

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<v Speaker 3>in Canton, Ohio, and now that he's played, he's gonna

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<v Speaker 3>years to get get nominated, to get back in again.

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<v Speaker 3>You love them? Do you have people gonna deny that

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<v Speaker 3>to me? But see, I want to hear your take

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<v Speaker 3>on Philip Rivers.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, do you think that he is Hall of Fame

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<v Speaker 1>worthy before this?

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<v Speaker 5>No doubt, come back, no doubt.

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<v Speaker 3>I got the stats for him, I really do. And

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<v Speaker 3>I wish I had a vote for the Hall of Fame.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a vote for the Heisman, but I don't

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<v Speaker 3>have the vote for the Hall of Fame. And I'll

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<v Speaker 3>tell you why. Eli Maning on two Super Bowls and

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<v Speaker 3>normally right now, that's a ticket for the Hall of

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<v Speaker 3>Fame and the name Manning is going to get him

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<v Speaker 3>in there. Right The Philip Rivers through forget this, four

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<v Speaker 3>hundred and twenty one touchdowns, which is sixth on the

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<v Speaker 3>old time list. Okay, he threw for sixty three thousand

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<v Speaker 3>fortune and forty yards with is seventh on the.

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<v Speaker 4>Old time list.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't she had twenty nine fourth Well, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I said, no kidding, I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, he delivered twenty nine fourth quarter and that's

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<v Speaker 3>more than Joe Montana.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>He finished as one of two quarterbacks in the NFL history.

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<v Speaker 3>Right far was the other one to start these two

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<v Speaker 3>hundred and fifty consecutive games, including the postseason and including

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<v Speaker 3>the AFC title game at New England in January of

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<v Speaker 3>two thousand and eight when he played one on one

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<v Speaker 3>leg against the unbeaten New England Patriots. Played on one

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<v Speaker 3>leg that game. This guy's a warrior. I love the guy,

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<v Speaker 3>I really do. And since twenty twenty, where he retired,

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<v Speaker 3>he's been coaching at Saint Michael Catholic High School in Fairhope,

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<v Speaker 3>Alabama with one of his ten children, and one of

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<v Speaker 3>them is Gunner, who happens to be a big time

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<v Speaker 3>college prospect. To get this, what position? Quarterback? Of course?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, no, I'd say that's gold jacket worthy, the stats

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<v Speaker 1>and the place in NFL history. Sure, but now, as

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<v Speaker 1>you mentioned, he's gonna have to wait another five years.

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<v Speaker 1>They got to have a waiver rule for stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, there are plenty of examples of old guys.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm the same way. If there's a guy who was,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, getting on in years and supposedly passed his prime,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm all always rooting for I'm all in for him

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<v Speaker 1>every time. But then I think to myself, and my

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<v Speaker 1>wife reminds me, yet you call him the old guy.

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<v Speaker 1>He's forty four, You're gonna be sixty five. So I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I'm just trying to live as an older guy

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<v Speaker 1>through vicariously through these old guys who supposedly can't do

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<v Speaker 1>it anymore. And there are plenty of examples through history.

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<v Speaker 5>As I got.

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<v Speaker 3>Him, I got you. I'm glad you mentioned I got

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<v Speaker 3>him for you. You know I love the old guys

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<v Speaker 3>and that come back. George Foreman reclaimed the heavyweight championship

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<v Speaker 3>at the age of forty five. Remember that Jack Nicholas

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<v Speaker 3>won his sixth and last Master's title at forty six.

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<v Speaker 3>Tom Brady won his seventh and final Super Bowl at

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<v Speaker 3>forty three.

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<v Speaker 4>Get this one.

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<v Speaker 3>This ute Cody Howe from the Detroit Red Wings scored

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<v Speaker 3>fifteen goals and passed the twenty six at sists in

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<v Speaker 3>an NHL season that he fin is at the age

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<v Speaker 3>of Are you ready for this? Fifty two?

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<v Speaker 6>How do you?

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<v Speaker 3>Watson?

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<v Speaker 2>How do you play hockey?

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<v Speaker 5>At fifty two?

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<v Speaker 3>Tom wats play hockey at twelve?

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<v Speaker 4>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>Tom Watson was one put away from winning the British

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<v Speaker 3>Open at his ninth major when he was fifty nine.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, so old guys can do what they want

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<v Speaker 3>to do. I think there's a lot to do in

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<v Speaker 3>your chest, in your heart, more than athletic skill. I

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<v Speaker 3>really do. You gotta want to do it. Philip Rivers

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<v Speaker 3>wants to do it. I love that he's doing this.

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<v Speaker 3>I really do.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you got to have it in your heart and

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<v Speaker 1>your tika, as they say, but you GOLs, You've got

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<v Speaker 1>to have the talent in the first place. And the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that all that talent hasn't run out of the

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<v Speaker 1>hourglass yet for somebody like Philip Rivers, I think it's wonderful.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Joe Flaccoy played pretty well for the Bengals

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<v Speaker 1>at forty two, and there's another old guy that shined

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<v Speaker 1>last night in another Pittsburgh Steelers victory in Aaron Rodgers.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I agree, yeah, And I don't think the

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<v Speaker 3>general public or at least the media don't understand. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>the skill set is one thing. I remember when Joe

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<v Speaker 3>Flackhall came back to the Cleveland Browns, they just called him.

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<v Speaker 3>He was on the couch. I mean, the guy has

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<v Speaker 3>never picked up a football to come and give me

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<v Speaker 3>a phone call and do it and play and play respectively.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I don't It's an amazing thing. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>Philip Rivers was not playing, and it's one thing to

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<v Speaker 3>be forty four and like, you know, you got from

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<v Speaker 3>one team A to team B and you're still playing.

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<v Speaker 3>You're going to practice. You know a place he came

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<v Speaker 3>from nowhere. You know, he was at his house with

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<v Speaker 3>his kids, coaching high school football and they say, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>you want to play. You know, we need you. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>that to me is amazing. It's amazing that even thought

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<v Speaker 3>of him, and he thought of me coming back. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>that to me is an amazing situation.

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<v Speaker 4>It really is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's that time of years. It's almost like a Hallmark movie.

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<v Speaker 5>Andy, Oh, don't go to that.

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<v Speaker 4>Come on, really, you know, stuck, don't get mushy on me. Really,

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<v Speaker 4>come on.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's still in all. I mean, the Joe Borrow situation.

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<v Speaker 3>It just it bothers me that everybody is cycle analyzing

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<v Speaker 3>Joe Burrow.

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<v Speaker 4>Leave him alone.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, there's a reason why. Can I tell you why?

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<v Speaker 3>I hope the media in this town is listening. There's

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<v Speaker 3>a reason why Joe Burrow does not to get this.

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<v Speaker 3>Joe Burrow does not do one on ones with the

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<v Speaker 3>local media. He does one on one with the national media.

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<v Speaker 3>And maybe the NFL kind of requires that to some extent.

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<v Speaker 3>I did some pr work when I was with the

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<v Speaker 3>Dolphins and the fourth Loodoville Strikers. They kind of lean

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<v Speaker 3>on you a little bit because they're paying the freight.

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<v Speaker 3>Like the Foxes of the world, you know, the CPS's

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<v Speaker 3>of the world. They wanted to do the one on

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<v Speaker 3>ones and they'll do them. But he won't do anyone

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<v Speaker 3>on ones locally, you know, the one on one people

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<v Speaker 3>here in town. They just back off a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>There are bigger fish to fry. There are bigger stories

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<v Speaker 3>out there. You know, if you're really concerned with Joe

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<v Speaker 3>Burrow and the problems that maybe not football related. Do

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<v Speaker 3>some homework, get off your rear end and find out.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I was My first thought was, and

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<v Speaker 3>I hate to even bring this up, but I can

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<v Speaker 3>tell you because you don't like my coffee down. When

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<v Speaker 3>he said the problems and they said, well, Joe, are

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<v Speaker 3>they football related or others? A little bit of each.

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<v Speaker 3>I pray to God. I pray to God that there's

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<v Speaker 3>no problem health wise with his parents. Think about that, really, parents,

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<v Speaker 3>Because he's twenty nine. His parent's got to be close

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<v Speaker 3>to sixty, right, Hope everything's okay at home. That's going

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<v Speaker 3>to be wearing on you.

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<v Speaker 1>Two of it is maybe Andy the losing paired with uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the realization that, to me, Joe Burrow is one of

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<v Speaker 1>those guys and you almost have to be to get

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<v Speaker 1>to the place that he's gotten to. To be so

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<v Speaker 1>proficient and so good, Football has been everything to Joe Burrow.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just guessing since he was a very young child

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<v Speaker 1>and he's been in all kinds of situations where he

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<v Speaker 1>won playing this game that has defined him. Maybe as

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<v Speaker 1>he approaches thirty, Joe Burrow is realizing what we all

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<v Speaker 1>realize at a certain point that what we do does

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<v Speaker 1>not necessarily define all of who we are. And maybe

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Burrow is starting to figure out that football's not

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<v Speaker 1>the only thing in life and there are more things that.

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<v Speaker 5>Can be important.

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<v Speaker 3>Now you like everybody else, now, your psychoanalytic, No, football

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<v Speaker 3>is the only thing in his life right now, and

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<v Speaker 3>that's why he's upset because it's the only His life

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<v Speaker 3>revolves around football. The way he has, the way he

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<v Speaker 3>trains for it, the way he plays it. He's got

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<v Speaker 3>his cook you know, the way he gets up in

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<v Speaker 3>the morning for practice. It is his life. And why

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<v Speaker 3>he's upset is because his life is going down the

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<v Speaker 3>cropper because of the teammates he plays with. That's why,

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<v Speaker 3>all right, And he's realizing that now And basically he

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<v Speaker 3>could summon up with one more because he's seen it.

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<v Speaker 3>He had before time and again he's been bengalized. Want

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<v Speaker 3>to get up every day and every Sunday, put that

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<v Speaker 3>uniform on, knowing that you don't really have a fighting

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<v Speaker 3>chance to win. It's embarrassing that they didn't score a

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<v Speaker 3>point against the Baltimore Ravens, a team that they beat

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<v Speaker 3>two weeks ago on Thanksgiving Eve.

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<v Speaker 4>What I'm embarrassing.

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<v Speaker 1>What I'm wondering is is the entire Cincinnati sports environment bengalized?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, has this contagion? Is it like an outbreaking

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<v Speaker 1>epidemic that has spread from the Cincinnati Bengals to Cincinnati Reds,

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<v Speaker 1>to the UC Bearcats to the Cyclones.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, is the whole town bengalized? Andy?

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<v Speaker 7>You know what, I think there's more of a of

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<v Speaker 7>an emotional hate, and I hate to use the term hate,

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<v Speaker 7>an emotional hate towards the Bengals than other teams when

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<v Speaker 7>they lose.

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<v Speaker 3>Obviously, the town has split collegiately, I guess because Xavier

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<v Speaker 3>and you see. So I don't think there's a big

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<v Speaker 3>pushback on you see when they don't do when they

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<v Speaker 3>do poorly. So if the Reds a concerned, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think there's that much emotion as Reds fans, and I

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<v Speaker 3>think people got the Reds games not with that rooting

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<v Speaker 3>when they go home after the game, they did down

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<v Speaker 3>to down this the depression as they do in the

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<v Speaker 3>Bengals game. Because the season is so long. I think

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<v Speaker 3>baseball is one of those games that you go out

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<v Speaker 3>there just to enjoy the sunlight. You go out there

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<v Speaker 3>in the summertime. I have a couple of bruces skis

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<v Speaker 3>and sit out there and enjoy the game, and you

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<v Speaker 3>go home. It's entertainment more than a battle, if you

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<v Speaker 3>know what I mean. He ain't playing April, you're also

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<v Speaker 3>playing again in October. I mean, come on, it's a

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<v Speaker 3>long stretch. But football is only seventeen games?

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<v Speaker 5>Is eight or nine at home?

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<v Speaker 3>Every game means so much, and they've seen so much

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<v Speaker 3>disappointment and they expect so much. That's the thing they

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<v Speaker 3>expected so much with Joe Burrow. These people in this

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<v Speaker 3>city have to take a step back and take the

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<v Speaker 3>brother and say, hey, we're so Joe. He's normal, he's human.

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<v Speaker 3>He kind of a bad game. They've just tool when

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<v Speaker 3>they went to the super Bowl in twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 3>that's going to be a yearly thing. It doesn't work

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<v Speaker 3>that way. Look at the Detroit Lions. Did they've hit

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<v Speaker 3>the Skins? Look at your Kansas City cheese.

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<v Speaker 8>It's over.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh oh Andy, I'm glad you brought up the Chiefs

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<v Speaker 1>because I just want to get this out of my

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<v Speaker 1>as system once and for all. I am so thrilled

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<v Speaker 1>to have been a Chiefs fan for the last seven years.

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<v Speaker 1>And rooting the Super Bowls.

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<v Speaker 5>You're going to stop ruining it.

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<v Speaker 6>No, no, no.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I'm just saying that that ride, that ride I'm

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<v Speaker 1>realizing is over, and I'm I'm happy with that. I

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<v Speaker 1>can rest on the laurels of those Super Bowls and

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<v Speaker 1>all those AFC championships now because we got him in

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<v Speaker 1>the bank. But I think that the window is closed

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<v Speaker 1>for these Kansas City Chiefs. Maybe not for Patrick Mahomes.

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<v Speaker 1>He's such a dynamic player. Maybe they will be able

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<v Speaker 1>to revitalize their running game next year. You know, Andy

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<v Speaker 1>Reid's going to be back. He's an excellent coach, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you kind of feel like the window of

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity is closing and almost and you almost feel like

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<v Speaker 1>that for Joe Burrow and the Bengals.

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<v Speaker 4>He's twenty nine years of age. He's going to be

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<v Speaker 4>in the next day.

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<v Speaker 3>Marino man, Marino wants to want Super Bowl and that

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<v Speaker 3>basically was it. But you got to say Dan Marino

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<v Speaker 3>basically was the godfather of the poet pass. He throw

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<v Speaker 3>for five thousand yards and after that, the basic game

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<v Speaker 3>was dominant in the National Football League. But I'll tell

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<v Speaker 3>you this much, I think that the biggest key in

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<v Speaker 3>all of sports is choosing the right people, not so

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<v Speaker 3>much the personnel and the players, And that's important. I

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<v Speaker 3>think the leaders. And what I mean by that, I

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<v Speaker 3>mean like the Bengals, you know, the hired of guy

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<v Speaker 3>and Zach Tail and again we've gone down this row.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a good guy, he's a good father, he's just

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<v Speaker 3>a nice man. But he's not a head coach. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>he looks like a deer in the headlights on the

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<v Speaker 3>sidelines right now. He looks like he doesn't know what

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<v Speaker 3>he's doing. I mean, it's embarrassing. He's learning on the job.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think you have to make the right pick.

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<v Speaker 3>And if I was, if I was general manager or

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<v Speaker 3>in a position to hire a coach at you at

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<v Speaker 3>the Bengals, I would go after Kurt Signetti, the coach

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<v Speaker 3>at Indiana. So what he did and I saw in

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<v Speaker 3>the Heisman Trophy the show on Saturday night, they interviewed

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<v Speaker 3>him and they showed tape when he was hired in Indiana.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what he said, He said, what do you

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<v Speaker 3>expect here?

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<v Speaker 4>And the media was asking him.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, you know, I expect I expect to win.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I expect to win.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the same thing Bob Hawkins said when he came

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<v Speaker 3>here and they scoffed him. They left it him at

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<v Speaker 3>his first year. They made the nip the first year

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<v Speaker 3>after five and twenty season with Tony eight, he rested.

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<v Speaker 3>They went to then and you.

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<v Speaker 1>Never got this out is Zach Taylor when the Bengals

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<v Speaker 1>hired him. But when Kurt Signetti got hired, he went

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<v Speaker 1>out under the basketball floor at IU before a Hoosiers game.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, produce, so produce sucks and and he was right.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, do you want a guy like that to

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<v Speaker 3>to wake up to? And they asked why he did that.

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<v Speaker 3>He says, I want to see if the fans were

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<v Speaker 3>dormant or not. He the guy's a mastermind. It's all

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<v Speaker 3>about psychology. Every coach knows exerson O's But it's how

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<v Speaker 3>you translate that, how you sell it, how you sell

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<v Speaker 3>it to your team, how they respond to you. That's

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<v Speaker 3>the I just responded to.

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<v Speaker 1>I just found it ironic that on the sideline on Sunday,

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<v Speaker 1>and I brought this up earlier, Zach, Zach Taylor's wearing

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<v Speaker 1>a sweatshirt that says inspire change. I said, well, you

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<v Speaker 1>certainly do inspire change.

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<v Speaker 3>Since that you wearing that shirt, maybe to the unemployment.

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<v Speaker 3>So I hate to say that. I hate to say.

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<v Speaker 3>I look, I've been down that road.

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<v Speaker 2>You've been too.

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<v Speaker 3>When you work in radio, you're going to get canned.

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<v Speaker 5>That's the name what happens.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's not a pleasant thing. And I don't want

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<v Speaker 3>to use the power of a microphone to say a

0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:56.520
<v Speaker 3>guy should be fired. All right, I'm just saying he

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<v Speaker 3>should be evaluated, all right, keep them keeping with them.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you're not going to keep him on if

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<v Speaker 3>he's not the head coach, that's for sure. You're not

0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:05.600
<v Speaker 3>going to give them a silliary position, which is embarrassing.

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<v Speaker 3>But honestly, if you don't do the job, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry. If you didn't do the job at seven hundred,

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<v Speaker 3>you be gone. You're doing the job right, you've been

0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:16.120
<v Speaker 3>Saturday morning. Got almost thirty years, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Coming up on twenty nine. That's that's for sure. So

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<v Speaker 2>you may thirty. Your birthday is today, Happy.

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<v Speaker 4>Birthday, Yes it is, Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 1>What's wonderful? What are you doing? What did you do

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<v Speaker 1>on your special day? Andy?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, honestly, I was supposed to get an MRI, but

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<v Speaker 3>obviously I found out this morning. I got a phone

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<v Speaker 3>call from the insurance people that my hospital in question

0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:40.960
<v Speaker 3>is not in the network. Very nice, why do you

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<v Speaker 3>tell me that? So it's canceled and I got a reschedule,

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<v Speaker 3>like I said, a different hospital. So my birthday present

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<v Speaker 3>of an MRI will not happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, maybe you can get it on the

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<v Speaker 1>cheap somewhere. I mean, I'm sure there are guys that

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<v Speaker 1>do MRIs in like vans and trucks that roll around town.

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<v Speaker 2>You can just get it, I would.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, maybe I'll do that.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, And you have a telescoop you could

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<v Speaker 4>look for me.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. And maybe maybe you can buy some

0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:10.280
<v Speaker 1>frozen meat while you're at it out of.

0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:11.760
<v Speaker 2>The back of the truck.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I tell you what this insurance thing is driving me nuts.

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<v Speaker 3>I know nothing about it, but I just assumed that

0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:19.240
<v Speaker 3>you know what they say about being assuming. But I

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<v Speaker 3>had to get two cat skins and I had no

0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:25.040
<v Speaker 3>problem whatsoever at the same hospital, and the insurance covered

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<v Speaker 3>like about eighty percent of it, whatever it may be. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>all of a sudden, they're not covering this. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>get it.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't understand this.

0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:34.320
<v Speaker 2>But to get worse is only going to get worse.

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<v Speaker 2>Believe believe you me, you know, and I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if you know this.

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<v Speaker 3>My wife's not a citizen. My wife's Canadian, okay, and

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<v Speaker 3>all our relatives live in Canada. Yeah, and they get

0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:48.399
<v Speaker 3>everything's free. Everything's very intent. I'm thinking of getting a

0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:50.159
<v Speaker 3>dual citizenship to move it to Canada.

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<v Speaker 4>I really am.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, every everything's free, but you've got to wait like

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<v Speaker 1>six months.

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<v Speaker 3>So what I'm waiting now? I'm waiting? Now what's the difference?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, fur ball?

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<v Speaker 1>Good luck on your hamm And by the way, if

0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:04.600
<v Speaker 1>anybody's listening and they do MRIs on the cheap out

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<v Speaker 1>of a van.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you have an MRI machine down your basement. I'll

0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:09.800
<v Speaker 3>come down there for fall.

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<v Speaker 2>Take care, brother.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the show, Todd. How are you this evening?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing great. Thanks for having me again, Gary. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>you bet anytime. I mean, I have returned guests back

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<v Speaker 1>because I had a good time myself the first time,

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<v Speaker 1>and I felt like we actually talked about something, because

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<v Speaker 1>so much of talk radio is just is just conjecture

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<v Speaker 1>and rumor and all the rest of that stuff. And

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<v Speaker 1>who knows, we may engage in a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>that too, But in fact, you had peace today. Reading

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<v Speaker 1>the tea leaves the political tea leaves of where we're

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<v Speaker 1>going as we approach a new year, a midterm year,

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<v Speaker 1>the first midterm of President Trump's second term. We know

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<v Speaker 1>what happened the first time around. Where do you see

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<v Speaker 1>it going with some of the special elections and like

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<v Speaker 1>that we have seen now most of the evidence so

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<v Speaker 1>far as far as those go, Todd has been that

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<v Speaker 1>if it were a traditionally blue enclave, it's remaining blue.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you getting that sense too, or is there some

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<v Speaker 1>great to see change happening? And are the Democrats hitting

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<v Speaker 1>their mark about making things affordable. Well, they don't seem

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<v Speaker 1>to have a plan either outside of full out communism,

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<v Speaker 1>like in New York. What are your tea leaves reading

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<v Speaker 1>right now.

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<v Speaker 9>Tod Yeah, I think the administration are the party. The

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<v Speaker 9>Republican Party is going through a challenging period here. I think,

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<v Speaker 9>like you said, it's important not to make too much

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<v Speaker 9>of elections, you know, like mom Donnie in New York

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<v Speaker 9>where he's running against another Democrat and that.

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<v Speaker 5>Kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 9>But I think given the overall picture, what I'm sensing

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<v Speaker 9>is is that this is a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 9>sticky point for the party.

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<v Speaker 6>I think the biggest issue.

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<v Speaker 9>Here comes down to the economy and affordability. Maybe I'd

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<v Speaker 9>throw in a dose of immigration related issues as well.

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<v Speaker 6>But I think, you know, from the economy's perspective, but

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<v Speaker 6>we have to keep in is this is.

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<v Speaker 9>Far and away the largest economy in the world. It's

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<v Speaker 9>effectively the biggest ocean liner out there on the seas.

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<v Speaker 9>And unfortunately, and not because of Trump, this.

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<v Speaker 5>Is something that he inherited.

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<v Speaker 9>You know, We've been sailing into and deeper into troubled

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<v Speaker 9>waters for over two decades now almost three depending on

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<v Speaker 9>where you want to count the starting point, and when

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<v Speaker 9>you take that plus the magnitude of the changes that

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<v Speaker 9>they are trying to push through to get this thing

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<v Speaker 9>to course correct back into the brighter seas that we've

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<v Speaker 9>seen in the past.

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<v Speaker 6>It's going to take some time.

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<v Speaker 9>And I think people probably generally understand that we've had

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<v Speaker 9>a couple of good indicators. There were some really strong

0:22:49.240 --> 0:22:53.480
<v Speaker 9>GDP numbers over the summer, but unfortunately those things haven't

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<v Speaker 9>translated into jobs yet, and that's what people really want

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<v Speaker 9>to see, you know.

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<v Speaker 6>I think if they.

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<v Speaker 9>Hear that the economy is growing and GDP is strong,

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<v Speaker 9>but they're not seeing it in the job market.

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<v Speaker 6>Then they still feel like, Okay.

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<v Speaker 9>Well maybe things are getting better, but it's still not

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<v Speaker 9>an economy that's working for me. So I think that's

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<v Speaker 9>the biggest thing that the administration is dealing with, along

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<v Speaker 9>with the affordability issues, which I also think.

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<v Speaker 2>Are very real.

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<v Speaker 10>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Scott Besant has said that he expects the first six

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<v Speaker 1>months of twenty twenty six to be a real change

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<v Speaker 1>in affordability and also inflation, and he cited the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that there are a lot of illegal immigrants that were

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<v Speaker 1>brought into this country with no vetting by the millions,

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<v Speaker 1>by the tens of millions during the Joe Biden administration,

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<v Speaker 1>and that brought rent up. It brought all kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>issues introducing into the economy because there were simply these

0:23:55.760 --> 0:23:58.760
<v Speaker 1>people flooding in, which was pushing the price of rent

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<v Speaker 1>specifically up, which is the number one thing when you

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<v Speaker 1>get to affordability. Yeah, groceries and gas, which I think

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<v Speaker 1>the Trump administration has got.

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<v Speaker 2>To handle on now.

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<v Speaker 1>We just saw today the delayed jobs report numbers for November.

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<v Speaker 1>They came in stronger than expected, with sixty four thousand

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<v Speaker 1>jobs created, mostly in the private sector. Wages were up,

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<v Speaker 1>and the unemployment ticked up to four point six percent.

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<v Speaker 1>But we had a labor participation rate of almost sixty

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<v Speaker 1>three percent, which is pretty strong. Would you agree with that?

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<v Speaker 9>Yes, I do, And I share Scott Besson's optimism about

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<v Speaker 9>the first half of next year. You know, I think,

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<v Speaker 9>like we were just talking about, we saw a couple

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<v Speaker 9>of good quarters of GDP growth, not translated into jobs yet,

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<v Speaker 9>but still strong growth, which is the first step. And

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<v Speaker 9>then the government shut down, clearly, you know, curtailed that trend.

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<v Speaker 9>But there's every even to believe that heading into next year,

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<v Speaker 9>we could be looking at very strong numbers. I think

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<v Speaker 9>the second third quarters are going to be critical in

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<v Speaker 9>terms of not just seeing the good growth at the

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<v Speaker 9>overall economic level, but where we start to see it

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<v Speaker 9>translating into more and more private sector jobs, which, as

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<v Speaker 9>you pointed out, we've seen in these recent numbers here.

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<v Speaker 5>Also, you have to remember we're.

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<v Speaker 9>Also working against significant amounts of federal workers that are

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<v Speaker 9>finally rolling off of the employment rules, and that goes

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<v Speaker 9>back to the efforts, you know, with those that.

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<v Speaker 5>Were being made earlier this year.

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<v Speaker 9>So there's a number of reasons for optimism, and hopefully

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<v Speaker 9>these things will all kick in in the early part

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<v Speaker 9>of next year.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you feel like part of a big part of

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<v Speaker 1>the place of the inflation and the affordability issues, especially

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<v Speaker 1>with housing, were driven by all the illegal immigration that

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<v Speaker 1>was permitted in the four years before Trump.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, it certainly didn't help, But for me, I always

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<v Speaker 5>go back. You know, the greatest.

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<v Speaker 9>Monetary economist in history was Milton Friedman, and his famous

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<v Speaker 9>saying was that inflation is always in everywhere a monetary problem.

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<v Speaker 5>So when you see prolonged.

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<v Speaker 6>Rates of inflation over an extended.

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<v Speaker 5>Period of time, like we had during the Biden administration.

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<v Speaker 9>That's because the FED is printing money faster then the

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<v Speaker 9>real economy is growing. And so you could have short

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<v Speaker 9>term impacts from things like the immigration, which I think

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<v Speaker 9>I'm sure it did impact things for a while, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>or if the labor markets get tight. But if you

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<v Speaker 9>see sustained excess inflation over a period of time, it's

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<v Speaker 9>because of the FED.

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<v Speaker 6>I think that's.

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<v Speaker 5>Where the real problem is.

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<v Speaker 9>I wrote in a recent substack piece to paraphrase the

0:26:58.040 --> 0:27:01.800
<v Speaker 9>old James Carville Clinton line where they used to say

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<v Speaker 9>it's the economy stupid.

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<v Speaker 5>The comment I made was, you.

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<v Speaker 6>Know, when it comes to inflation, it's the FED.

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<v Speaker 9>And so I think that's the core issue, and we've

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<v Speaker 9>got to hold back on the tendency.

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<v Speaker 6>To want the FED to push these rates so.

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<v Speaker 9>Low that we continue dealing with that problem.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, do you think there will be a new

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<v Speaker 1>FED chair here at the beginning of the year. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what the rumors are. Jerome Powell will be out and

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<v Speaker 1>there'll be a new head of the FED in twenty six.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>I think there's no question that's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 9>We'll probably see an announcement fairly soon. My hope is

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<v Speaker 9>that they will be a little tougher or a lot

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<v Speaker 9>tougher than I think Trump wants them to be. I think,

0:27:46.880 --> 0:27:49.680
<v Speaker 9>you know, Trump is a growth guy. That's a great thing.

0:27:49.760 --> 0:27:52.280
<v Speaker 9>We be the growth guy in the White House right now.

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<v Speaker 9>But the ideal thing to me is that we get

0:27:56.600 --> 0:28:02.359
<v Speaker 9>economic growth going with very close to stable prices because

0:28:02.440 --> 0:28:05.520
<v Speaker 9>we've leaned on the FED for too many administrations have

0:28:05.680 --> 0:28:08.680
<v Speaker 9>leaned on the FED for too long, and it's created

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<v Speaker 9>a lot of the problems that we've.

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<v Speaker 5>Had to deal with here.

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<v Speaker 6>So I'd like to see the FED actually get a

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<v Speaker 6>little tougher and tighter with interest rate.

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<v Speaker 1>My Congressman Thomas Massey thinks the FED shouldn't exist.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that a good idea or a bad idea?

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<v Speaker 6>I completely agree.

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<v Speaker 9>The greatest growth, the greatest upward mobility, the greatest ability

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<v Speaker 9>to absorb migration in a way that was healthy for

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<v Speaker 9>our economy, for our citizens, and for all the people

0:28:37.400 --> 0:28:42.080
<v Speaker 9>trying to escape dysfunctional systems abroad came from eighteen hundred

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<v Speaker 9>to nineteen thirty, and for the vast majority of that

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<v Speaker 9>we did not have a Federal Reserve, and we had

0:28:47.280 --> 0:28:50.440
<v Speaker 9>a gold standard, which limited the ability of the federal

0:28:50.480 --> 0:28:54.240
<v Speaker 9>government to play all these monetary games which in the

0:28:54.360 --> 0:28:57.640
<v Speaker 9>end to me create far more problems than they solve.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, well, that's the political leaves, and what do

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<v Speaker 1>you think the chances are that the Republicans hold even

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<v Speaker 1>a narrow margin in the lead when we get done

0:29:12.160 --> 0:29:14.440
<v Speaker 1>counting votes in November of next year.

0:29:15.560 --> 0:29:15.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it all depends on the economy and job creation.

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<v Speaker 9>I think if if Bethant is right, and I think

0:29:22.600 --> 0:29:24.120
<v Speaker 9>like we talked about, I think there's a very good.

0:29:24.080 --> 0:29:26.880
<v Speaker 6>Chance he is, and things really start kicking in.

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<v Speaker 9>For six months at least by the second quarter of

0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:33.280
<v Speaker 9>next year, and the jobs are going I think you're

0:29:33.320 --> 0:29:35.680
<v Speaker 9>going to see a lot of support for the policies that.

0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:37.240
<v Speaker 5>This administration is employing.

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<v Speaker 9>I think if they don't, you know, there's going to

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<v Speaker 9>be people who are very susceptible to the mom Donnie

0:29:43.840 --> 0:29:46.960
<v Speaker 9>like you know, promise of let's make everything free, that's

0:29:47.000 --> 0:29:50.280
<v Speaker 9>the solution. We know it's not the solution, but people

0:29:50.320 --> 0:29:52.680
<v Speaker 9>are susceptible to that when they feel like things aren't

0:29:52.680 --> 0:29:53.360
<v Speaker 9>working for him.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think the impact of AI We know

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<v Speaker 1>what it could be. I mean, it could be the

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<v Speaker 1>elimination of got millions of jobs depending on how this goes,

0:30:05.240 --> 0:30:09.920
<v Speaker 1>or it could be just the next you know, technological

0:30:10.160 --> 0:30:14.920
<v Speaker 1>kind of improvement that does improve our lives and make

0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:19.280
<v Speaker 1>us more efficient. What are the chances that AI and

0:30:19.320 --> 0:30:25.840
<v Speaker 1>the burgeoning growth of AI stunts Trump's plans for growing

0:30:25.880 --> 0:30:26.560
<v Speaker 1>the economy.

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<v Speaker 9>I think there's maybe a tiny bit of risk on

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<v Speaker 9>that side of things, but I'm very very optimistic about

0:30:34.840 --> 0:30:38.480
<v Speaker 9>what happens with AI. I mean, we've got basically all

0:30:38.560 --> 0:30:45.680
<v Speaker 9>of human history that shows us that technological developments and

0:30:45.760 --> 0:30:50.360
<v Speaker 9>improvements and efficiency gains are the key to creating a better,

0:30:50.480 --> 0:30:54.800
<v Speaker 9>more healthy economy, one that makes us more competitive in

0:30:54.840 --> 0:30:58.240
<v Speaker 9>the world marketplace, which puts us in a better position

0:30:58.360 --> 0:31:02.720
<v Speaker 9>from trade, It makes are workers more valuable, and so

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<v Speaker 9>I think this is going to fall into the same

0:31:05.200 --> 0:31:08.720
<v Speaker 9>category that we've seen in everything from the industrial revolution,

0:31:09.520 --> 0:31:12.600
<v Speaker 9>you know, to the assembly line, to the technolo you know,

0:31:12.680 --> 0:31:16.120
<v Speaker 9>the computer revolution, the information revolution, all.

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<v Speaker 5>These different things.

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<v Speaker 9>It might take a little while, but I'm very optimistic

0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:22.840
<v Speaker 9>that it's going to be a very powerful tool that

0:31:22.920 --> 0:31:27.280
<v Speaker 9>will enhance life, make us more predictive, productive.

0:31:27.800 --> 0:31:30.240
<v Speaker 5>And basically lead to a better system for us.

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<v Speaker 1>Do we need Todd sheets to figure out something with

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<v Speaker 1>these expiring Obamacare health subsidies. I mean, they're ready to

0:31:39.040 --> 0:31:41.400
<v Speaker 1>run out here in just a matter of days now,

0:31:41.600 --> 0:31:44.440
<v Speaker 1>and people are looking at the proposed premiums for next

0:31:44.520 --> 0:31:48.960
<v Speaker 1>year through the Obamacare exchanges in their own insurance, if

0:31:48.960 --> 0:31:52.920
<v Speaker 1>they have their own insurance. The Republicans have talked about

0:31:52.960 --> 0:31:56.480
<v Speaker 1>cost sharing and have a bill introduced on the House floor.

0:31:56.520 --> 0:32:02.040
<v Speaker 1>I guess Mike Johnson said tomorrow he's expecting this, this

0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:07.360
<v Speaker 1>real affordable healthcare bill to replace it. The fact of

0:32:07.360 --> 0:32:11.400
<v Speaker 1>the matter is there is still a slim margin of Republicans,

0:32:11.400 --> 0:32:15.360
<v Speaker 1>but not enough in the Senate to get something, you know,

0:32:15.480 --> 0:32:18.640
<v Speaker 1>pushed through. What's going to happen with healthcare in this

0:32:18.720 --> 0:32:23.440
<v Speaker 1>country and the premiums that just keep rising beyond people's means.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, so I think that you pointed out two great

0:32:27.560 --> 0:32:29.920
<v Speaker 9>issues here. We've got a short term issue with with

0:32:30.040 --> 0:32:35.440
<v Speaker 9>what to do about these expiring subsidies, and then we've

0:32:35.440 --> 0:32:37.280
<v Speaker 9>got a longer term issue, which is we've got to

0:32:37.320 --> 0:32:40.880
<v Speaker 9>solve the healthcare issues, which Obamacare clearly has not done,

0:32:40.920 --> 0:32:45.440
<v Speaker 9>if anything, has made them worse. And so my politically

0:32:46.240 --> 0:32:51.480
<v Speaker 9>realistic assessment in the short term would be I would

0:32:51.760 --> 0:32:53.000
<v Speaker 9>kind of expect.

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<v Speaker 6>To see us extend the.

0:32:55.640 --> 0:33:01.240
<v Speaker 9>Subsidies with some hard income caps at a reasonable level

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<v Speaker 9>so that you know, if you're over.

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<v Speaker 6>Let's just say, I'm not saying this has to be.

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<v Speaker 9>The number one hundred and forty one hundred and fifty

0:33:06.760 --> 0:33:09.720
<v Speaker 9>thousand dollars a year, you're going to lose the subsidies,

0:33:09.840 --> 0:33:12.480
<v Speaker 9>which they were intended to go away in the beginning.

0:33:13.320 --> 0:33:15.200
<v Speaker 9>You know, this wasn't supposed to be a permanent feature.

0:33:15.200 --> 0:33:17.960
<v Speaker 9>Is supposed to help everybody through COVID at the lower

0:33:17.960 --> 0:33:21.480
<v Speaker 9>income levels. We're on top of all the other affordability

0:33:21.520 --> 0:33:24.840
<v Speaker 9>issues that people are dealing with. We create something.

0:33:24.640 --> 0:33:26.440
<v Speaker 5>Like a one year extension, not a.

0:33:26.400 --> 0:33:29.560
<v Speaker 9>Three year extension like the Democrats are looking for a

0:33:29.640 --> 0:33:33.200
<v Speaker 9>one year extension, and then that gives the administration some

0:33:33.320 --> 0:33:38.000
<v Speaker 9>time to tackle the bigger issue that you were addressing there,

0:33:38.400 --> 0:33:41.600
<v Speaker 9>which is what can we do longer term to rein

0:33:41.680 --> 0:33:44.560
<v Speaker 9>in kind of the uncontrolled growth that.

0:33:44.480 --> 0:33:47.200
<v Speaker 6>We have in this systems becoming.

0:33:46.800 --> 0:33:50.600
<v Speaker 9>More and more dominated by the government, you know, which

0:33:50.640 --> 0:33:53.120
<v Speaker 9>is going to lead to rationing and those kinds of things.

0:33:53.160 --> 0:33:55.520
<v Speaker 9>If we end up in a single payer system, and

0:33:55.560 --> 0:33:58.040
<v Speaker 9>it gives us a little more time to focus on

0:33:58.080 --> 0:33:59.840
<v Speaker 9>a bigger solution for the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, the drumbeat in the first Trump administration was repeal

0:34:03.600 --> 0:34:07.960
<v Speaker 1>and replace, and they just couldn't get it done. I

0:34:08.000 --> 0:34:10.840
<v Speaker 1>guess it was the the John McCain vote or whatever

0:34:11.920 --> 0:34:15.200
<v Speaker 1>that that came down in the Senate when when you know,

0:34:15.040 --> 0:34:19.319
<v Speaker 1>he gave the thumbs down. And uh so, I mean,

0:34:19.719 --> 0:34:23.319
<v Speaker 1>it's not like you talk about the Republicans buying themselves

0:34:23.360 --> 0:34:26.920
<v Speaker 1>more time with the year extension of these Unaffordable Careless

0:34:26.960 --> 0:34:32.080
<v Speaker 1>Act subsidies that were kicked in during COVID. The Republicans

0:34:32.680 --> 0:34:34.959
<v Speaker 1>seemed to me like they they've had plenty of time

0:34:35.000 --> 0:34:36.920
<v Speaker 1>to come up with something todd.

0:34:38.520 --> 0:34:39.600
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and they haven't done it.

0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:41.879
<v Speaker 9>And yeah, I did that, I mean, and yeah, and

0:34:42.160 --> 0:34:47.200
<v Speaker 9>but at some point somebody has to do this, and

0:34:47.200 --> 0:34:50.160
<v Speaker 9>and and and at some point, you know, somebody got

0:34:50.239 --> 0:34:53.480
<v Speaker 9>to take the case to the American people and just say,

0:34:53.760 --> 0:34:56.200
<v Speaker 9>you know, hey, we are either going to deal with

0:34:56.239 --> 0:35:02.240
<v Speaker 9>this proactively and intelligently, or we're going to wait until

0:35:02.320 --> 0:35:07.640
<v Speaker 9>this eats up all of the economic wealth in the system.

0:35:08.000 --> 0:35:10.640
<v Speaker 9>You know, and we're dealing under duress where we just

0:35:10.680 --> 0:35:13.560
<v Speaker 9>can't keep borrowing the money that it takes to fund

0:35:14.280 --> 0:35:17.560
<v Speaker 9>the cost of all these programs, and so I think

0:35:17.600 --> 0:35:21.640
<v Speaker 9>it's worth you know, you've got to try this, I

0:35:21.680 --> 0:35:26.000
<v Speaker 9>think every four years or so, and somebody's got to

0:35:26.040 --> 0:35:28.040
<v Speaker 9>make a real focus and we've got to tackle these

0:35:28.040 --> 0:35:30.280
<v Speaker 9>things that it goes it's Obamacare.

0:35:30.600 --> 0:35:32.279
<v Speaker 5>But you know, the reality is.

0:35:32.239 --> 0:35:34.360
<v Speaker 9>And Trump has so far said, probably because of what

0:35:34.440 --> 0:35:37.560
<v Speaker 9>happened in his first administration, he doesn't want to deal with.

0:35:37.360 --> 0:35:38.719
<v Speaker 5>It, which I understand.

0:35:39.200 --> 0:35:41.839
<v Speaker 6>But at some point somebody is going to have to.

0:35:41.840 --> 0:35:46.480
<v Speaker 9>Deal with Medicare and Medicaid because all of these things

0:35:46.560 --> 0:35:50.320
<v Speaker 9>they dominate the budget and they are on unsustainable tracks,

0:35:50.920 --> 0:35:52.799
<v Speaker 9>and so I think it's something that at some point

0:35:52.880 --> 0:35:54.919
<v Speaker 9>we've just got to step up and try again.

0:35:55.160 --> 0:35:58.960
<v Speaker 1>And the key to Todd is they are.

0:35:58.840 --> 0:36:00.440
<v Speaker 2>Both rife with fraud.

0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:02.680
<v Speaker 6>Absolutely.

0:36:03.480 --> 0:36:06.480
<v Speaker 1>Mike Johnson was talking about this this morning and he

0:36:06.600 --> 0:36:13.399
<v Speaker 1>talked about the sixty eight thousand Social Security numbers had

0:36:13.400 --> 0:36:17.520
<v Speaker 1>been used by multiple people in multiple states to get

0:36:17.560 --> 0:36:22.440
<v Speaker 1>these subsidies. And I mean, this is billions of dollars

0:36:22.560 --> 0:36:27.680
<v Speaker 1>coming out of the system for real claims and real

0:36:27.760 --> 0:36:31.480
<v Speaker 1>people that that has got to be addressed. And I

0:36:31.520 --> 0:36:34.120
<v Speaker 1>think that's the first thing they need to address, is

0:36:34.400 --> 0:36:39.400
<v Speaker 1>how do you rid the system of all this fraud.

0:36:41.360 --> 0:36:43.319
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, and you know, I think some of this goes

0:36:43.400 --> 0:36:46.120
<v Speaker 9>back to those which I think at some point we

0:36:46.239 --> 0:36:51.320
<v Speaker 9>need to try that again, because you know, weeding out waste,

0:36:51.600 --> 0:36:59.360
<v Speaker 9>fraud and abuse should be a bipartisan objective of everybody. Unfortunately,

0:37:00.239 --> 0:37:01.080
<v Speaker 9>the Democrats.

0:37:01.280 --> 0:37:02.080
<v Speaker 5>You know, when you.

0:37:02.080 --> 0:37:05.000
<v Speaker 9>Decide that the person that's getting elected by a majority

0:37:05.040 --> 0:37:07.000
<v Speaker 9>of the population is Hitler.

0:37:07.120 --> 0:37:09.560
<v Speaker 6>You basically take a stance.

0:37:09.400 --> 0:37:12.279
<v Speaker 5>That you're going to fight them on everything that they do.

0:37:12.760 --> 0:37:14.160
<v Speaker 5>And they did that with dose.

0:37:14.600 --> 0:37:16.120
<v Speaker 9>But at some point, I think we've got to go

0:37:16.200 --> 0:37:19.680
<v Speaker 9>back and fight waste fraud and abuse in the healthcare

0:37:19.719 --> 0:37:23.719
<v Speaker 9>programs if you've just suggested, and throughout the federal government.

0:37:24.360 --> 0:37:28.200
<v Speaker 9>So that, because that is the best way to deal

0:37:28.640 --> 0:37:32.160
<v Speaker 9>with the fiscal issues and problems that we have out there,

0:37:32.200 --> 0:37:35.160
<v Speaker 9>other than growth, you know, growing the economy is probably.

0:37:34.800 --> 0:37:35.480
<v Speaker 4>The best way.

0:37:35.760 --> 0:37:38.040
<v Speaker 9>The second best way is to deal with waste, fraud

0:37:38.040 --> 0:37:41.239
<v Speaker 9>and abuse, because that's in everybody's interest, no matter what

0:37:42.080 --> 0:37:44.880
<v Speaker 9>color tie you wear to work each day, except for

0:37:44.920 --> 0:37:45.680
<v Speaker 9>the fraudsters.

0:37:46.000 --> 0:37:49.400
<v Speaker 1>It's in everybody's interest exactly, except for the criminals.

0:37:49.800 --> 0:37:53.319
<v Speaker 2>All right, go ahead, how do.

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<v Speaker 6>You say there's no shortage of those in Washington either,

0:37:55.880 --> 0:37:56.520
<v Speaker 6>which is part of.

0:37:56.520 --> 0:37:59.360
<v Speaker 1>The problem, right, it's a huge part of the problem.

0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:02.120
<v Speaker 1>The fish rots from the head down and all of that.

0:38:02.800 --> 0:38:06.640
<v Speaker 1>Todd Sheets. Look for his newsletter on Wealth and Progress.

0:38:07.200 --> 0:38:09.840
<v Speaker 1>Just type that in on your search on Wealth and

0:38:09.880 --> 0:38:13.920
<v Speaker 1>Progress by Todd Sheets and you can find his wonderful

0:38:14.160 --> 0:38:16.960
<v Speaker 1>papers there. Todd, thank you for spending some time with

0:38:17.040 --> 0:38:20.320
<v Speaker 1>us again tonight, and fruitful conversation.

0:38:20.400 --> 0:38:22.680
<v Speaker 2>I appreciated. Thank you.

0:38:22.719 --> 0:38:23.560
<v Speaker 5>It's always a pleasure.

0:38:23.760 --> 0:38:26.320
<v Speaker 2>You got it. Todd Sheets with us on the Nightcap.

0:38:26.440 --> 0:38:28.600
<v Speaker 2>And there's still more to come.

0:38:29.239 --> 0:38:35.080
<v Speaker 1>Wake of the Bondei Beach massacre in Australia, in the

0:38:35.120 --> 0:38:42.080
<v Speaker 1>wake of Islamist terrorist and jee hottest attacks all over

0:38:42.120 --> 0:38:46.200
<v Speaker 1>the world, which are increasing seemingly by the day, I

0:38:46.200 --> 0:38:48.719
<v Speaker 1>thought it would be good to bring in a guy

0:38:48.760 --> 0:38:51.440
<v Speaker 1>who's one of his New York Times best selling book

0:38:51.800 --> 0:38:55.279
<v Speaker 1>of the Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and the Crusades

0:38:55.320 --> 0:38:58.760
<v Speaker 1>and the Truth about Muhammad. He's a director of Jihad

0:38:58.880 --> 0:39:02.160
<v Speaker 1>Watch and a Oman Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center.

0:39:02.200 --> 0:39:05.080
<v Speaker 1>And he is our guest now, Robert Spencer. Good evening

0:39:05.080 --> 0:39:06.320
<v Speaker 1>and welcome to the Nightcap.

0:39:06.360 --> 0:39:06.879
<v Speaker 2>How are you.

0:39:08.400 --> 0:39:10.280
<v Speaker 8>Very well saying how are you?

0:39:10.280 --> 0:39:10.719
<v Speaker 2>You know what?

0:39:10.800 --> 0:39:13.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm great but I look at what's going on in

0:39:13.640 --> 0:39:18.080
<v Speaker 1>the world around us, and all of it seems to

0:39:18.120 --> 0:39:23.160
<v Speaker 1>be at least to me. It's kind of like a

0:39:25.719 --> 0:39:30.040
<v Speaker 1>self injury that these countries have been inflicting on their

0:39:30.080 --> 0:39:38.600
<v Speaker 1>people by their ignorance and ignorance of a real threat

0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:43.279
<v Speaker 1>that they've allowed to metastasize in their countries, and Australia

0:39:43.360 --> 0:39:47.320
<v Speaker 1>is one of those countries. Any government that these days

0:39:47.360 --> 0:39:51.000
<v Speaker 1>calls for a two state solution in the Middle East

0:39:51.760 --> 0:39:56.120
<v Speaker 1>is just inviting more of this. And I just wanted

0:39:56.160 --> 0:39:58.719
<v Speaker 1>to get your thumbnail thoughts before we get into what

0:39:58.840 --> 0:40:02.280
<v Speaker 1>else is happening in other places around the world because

0:40:02.920 --> 0:40:04.760
<v Speaker 1>of the unchecked Islamist threat.

0:40:05.160 --> 0:40:08.880
<v Speaker 8>Robert Well, I couldn't agree more. That's exactly what's happening.

0:40:09.239 --> 0:40:12.840
<v Speaker 8>This attack at Bondi Beach in Sydney would never have

0:40:12.920 --> 0:40:17.799
<v Speaker 8>taken place if it hadn't been for the Australian government's

0:40:18.200 --> 0:40:22.640
<v Speaker 8>appeasement of its Islamic community and for the existence of

0:40:22.640 --> 0:40:25.360
<v Speaker 8>that Islamic community in the first place, which is the

0:40:25.440 --> 0:40:30.359
<v Speaker 8>result of the Left program of mass migration of Muslims

0:40:30.400 --> 0:40:33.280
<v Speaker 8>into Australia as well as into Europe and North America.

0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:36.560
<v Speaker 8>And so none of this had to happen. The Left

0:40:36.600 --> 0:40:38.799
<v Speaker 8>has brought it on the West and now we got

0:40:38.840 --> 0:40:40.279
<v Speaker 8>to deal with it well.

0:40:40.640 --> 0:40:43.359
<v Speaker 1>And the thing is too, in the wake of this

0:40:43.560 --> 0:40:48.480
<v Speaker 1>horrible tragedy an Ahonica celebration on a beach in Australia,

0:40:49.400 --> 0:40:54.960
<v Speaker 1>the Prime Minister and the Australian government rightly says they

0:40:55.120 --> 0:40:59.239
<v Speaker 1>have to address anti Semitism, But then at the same

0:40:59.320 --> 0:41:03.400
<v Speaker 1>time they part with we've got to address Islamophobia too.

0:41:03.800 --> 0:41:07.960
<v Speaker 1>Is that out of fear, Because the last time I

0:41:08.160 --> 0:41:12.040
<v Speaker 1>checked my news feeds, the last time I saw anything

0:41:12.120 --> 0:41:17.880
<v Speaker 1>happening around the world, Jews were not attacking Muslims and

0:41:18.480 --> 0:41:24.320
<v Speaker 1>people who love freedom and Western culture. We're not trying

0:41:24.400 --> 0:41:29.200
<v Speaker 1>to tear down Islam. It only seems to be very,

0:41:29.280 --> 0:41:36.520
<v Speaker 1>very one sided. And it's like these people are operating blind, deaf,

0:41:36.640 --> 0:41:39.480
<v Speaker 1>dumb and blind in the wake of a real threat.

0:41:40.080 --> 0:41:43.040
<v Speaker 1>And it seems like we're not doing much better in

0:41:43.120 --> 0:41:43.840
<v Speaker 1>our country.

0:41:45.520 --> 0:41:47.839
<v Speaker 8>No, it's the same here, it's just not quite as

0:41:47.880 --> 0:41:53.360
<v Speaker 8>far along. But you have the same situation of denial

0:41:53.400 --> 0:41:56.800
<v Speaker 8>and willful ignorance. And yes, it is out of fear

0:41:57.000 --> 0:41:59.560
<v Speaker 8>that they don't want to say what's really happening, and

0:41:59.600 --> 0:42:01.880
<v Speaker 8>they don't want to say we're going to fight anty Semitism,

0:42:01.880 --> 0:42:05.000
<v Speaker 8>and we're also going to fight against Islamic g hot activity.

0:42:05.280 --> 0:42:07.319
<v Speaker 8>They don't even want to admit that there is such

0:42:07.320 --> 0:42:10.920
<v Speaker 8>a thing as Islamic g hot activity, and they do

0:42:11.040 --> 0:42:13.880
<v Speaker 8>not do so, you know, no Western country, including the

0:42:13.960 --> 0:42:17.160
<v Speaker 8>United States, admits that there is such a thing and

0:42:17.280 --> 0:42:20.880
<v Speaker 8>has any program to counter it. And this is because

0:42:20.880 --> 0:42:23.720
<v Speaker 8>they're afraid of offending Muslims and they want Muslim votes,

0:42:24.239 --> 0:42:27.399
<v Speaker 8>and they only have Muslim votes because they've brought them

0:42:27.440 --> 0:42:32.719
<v Speaker 8>in with their mass migration policies. And meanwhile, Islam does

0:42:32.880 --> 0:42:36.960
<v Speaker 8>teach warfare against unbelievers. It does teach that Muslims have

0:42:37.080 --> 0:42:40.400
<v Speaker 8>to fight them until they submit to a second class

0:42:40.400 --> 0:42:43.439
<v Speaker 8>status or convert to Islam. And that's going to keep

0:42:43.440 --> 0:42:47.000
<v Speaker 8>happening and going to keep resulting in violence against non Muslims,

0:42:47.440 --> 0:42:50.400
<v Speaker 8>and the longer we ignore it, the worse it's going

0:42:50.480 --> 0:42:50.759
<v Speaker 8>to get.

0:42:51.200 --> 0:42:54.840
<v Speaker 1>And Christianity, on the other hand, which I'm a Christian,

0:42:54.880 --> 0:42:58.880
<v Speaker 1>teaches to love your enemies and to forgive your enemies.

0:42:59.080 --> 0:43:05.759
<v Speaker 1>So there's definitely a diametrically opposed set of ideals at

0:43:05.800 --> 0:43:12.480
<v Speaker 1>play in these two faiths, and Judaism as well, and

0:43:14.080 --> 0:43:18.000
<v Speaker 1>to have it happen during Hanukkah. Do you think that

0:43:18.719 --> 0:43:22.960
<v Speaker 1>there are more coordinated attacks coming soon.

0:43:23.120 --> 0:43:26.839
<v Speaker 8>Robert, Yeah, I wouldn't be the least surprised. It wasn't

0:43:26.560 --> 0:43:30.680
<v Speaker 8>an accident that it happens during Hanukah anymore than it's

0:43:30.680 --> 0:43:33.359
<v Speaker 8>an accident that so many Christmas markets have been hit

0:43:33.440 --> 0:43:38.040
<v Speaker 8>in Europe. This is because they want to make war

0:43:38.480 --> 0:43:42.799
<v Speaker 8>against Jews and Christians in particular. That's what the Koran says,

0:43:42.880 --> 0:43:45.719
<v Speaker 8>fight against the people of the book, that's Jews and

0:43:45.840 --> 0:43:48.959
<v Speaker 8>Christians until they pay the jizia, which is a tax

0:43:49.040 --> 0:43:53.080
<v Speaker 8>with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. So there are

0:43:53.120 --> 0:43:56.440
<v Speaker 8>going to be more attacks during Honkah or during other

0:43:56.520 --> 0:43:59.719
<v Speaker 8>Jewish holy days. There are going to be more attacks

0:43:59.760 --> 0:44:03.720
<v Speaker 8>at Christmas, at Easter. Remember at Easter in Sri Lanka

0:44:03.760 --> 0:44:06.399
<v Speaker 8>a few years back, there was an attack in a church.

0:44:06.719 --> 0:44:09.000
<v Speaker 8>Several hundred people were murdered.

0:44:09.360 --> 0:44:10.279
<v Speaker 2>And this is all the.

0:44:10.239 --> 0:44:13.640
<v Speaker 8>Same Islamic tihad that nobody wants to acknowledge even exists.

0:44:13.920 --> 0:44:17.319
<v Speaker 1>Tell me about one of your most recent books, one

0:44:17.320 --> 0:44:21.320
<v Speaker 1>of the thirty two best sellers, Holy Hell, Islam's abuse

0:44:21.400 --> 0:44:24.000
<v Speaker 1>of women and the infidels who enable it.

0:44:25.360 --> 0:44:28.600
<v Speaker 8>That is yet another aspect of this issue, and that

0:44:28.800 --> 0:44:31.240
<v Speaker 8>is the fact that the Koran, the Holy Book of Islam,

0:44:31.680 --> 0:44:36.799
<v Speaker 8>teaches that Muslims can take Infidel women and use them sexually,

0:44:36.880 --> 0:44:41.200
<v Speaker 8>in other words, essentially as sex slaves. And this people

0:44:41.239 --> 0:44:43.480
<v Speaker 8>don't even believe it when I tell them, But it's.

0:44:43.320 --> 0:44:43.960
<v Speaker 5>In the Koran.

0:44:44.360 --> 0:44:46.719
<v Speaker 8>I show in the book how not only is it

0:44:46.760 --> 0:44:49.040
<v Speaker 8>in the Koran, but Muslims are acting upon it on

0:44:49.040 --> 0:44:52.840
<v Speaker 8>a massive scale. Hundreds of thousands of girls in Britain

0:44:53.160 --> 0:44:57.040
<v Speaker 8>have been victimized while authorities were afraid to act because

0:44:57.040 --> 0:45:01.240
<v Speaker 8>they were afraid of being called Islamophobic. And it also

0:45:01.400 --> 0:45:05.040
<v Speaker 8>happened all over Europe and elsewhere. And the book is

0:45:05.080 --> 0:45:07.880
<v Speaker 8>about this and about how the authorities are afraid to

0:45:07.920 --> 0:45:10.960
<v Speaker 8>confront it. Really it's the same thing we're talking about here.

0:45:11.200 --> 0:45:13.960
<v Speaker 8>They're afraid to confront that, and they're afraid to confront

0:45:14.000 --> 0:45:16.040
<v Speaker 8>Islamic giod And.

0:45:16.200 --> 0:45:21.560
<v Speaker 1>It's not just Isis or Islamic Jihad or any of

0:45:21.560 --> 0:45:25.600
<v Speaker 1>these groups. The FBI just foiled a New Year's planned

0:45:25.600 --> 0:45:29.719
<v Speaker 1>attack New Year's Eve planned attack out in California by

0:45:29.760 --> 0:45:36.000
<v Speaker 1>something called the Turtle Island Liberation Front, which is a

0:45:36.040 --> 0:45:41.080
<v Speaker 1>Free Palestine group. I mean, there are all kinds of

0:45:41.120 --> 0:45:44.160
<v Speaker 1>manifestations of this is what I'm getting at. You don't

0:45:44.160 --> 0:45:49.200
<v Speaker 1>necessarily have to be from Syria or from any of

0:45:49.239 --> 0:45:54.960
<v Speaker 1>these Islamic countries to come and do this kind of

0:45:55.080 --> 0:45:59.200
<v Speaker 1>terrorism in different places around the world. There are home

0:45:59.280 --> 0:46:04.279
<v Speaker 1>grown Islamic terrorists now that have been They have been,

0:46:06.400 --> 0:46:11.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, convinced that this is their path, I guess

0:46:11.360 --> 0:46:14.080
<v Speaker 1>for lack of any other kind of substance in their lives.

0:46:14.120 --> 0:46:16.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure, but they've been radicalized in that way.

0:46:17.400 --> 0:46:20.399
<v Speaker 1>And I mean because none of the people I saw

0:46:20.480 --> 0:46:25.080
<v Speaker 1>in the FBI photos were people that I would instantly expect.

0:46:25.280 --> 0:46:31.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean Islamic terror. Islamis terror comes in all kinds

0:46:31.200 --> 0:46:33.960
<v Speaker 1>of different packages, and that's why we've got to be

0:46:34.160 --> 0:46:35.400
<v Speaker 1>constantly vigilant.

0:46:35.520 --> 0:46:39.279
<v Speaker 8>Right Well, my understanding, and I could be wrong, is

0:46:39.280 --> 0:46:42.799
<v Speaker 8>that those guys were Leftists. They certainly were acting in

0:46:42.880 --> 0:46:47.680
<v Speaker 8>accord with the aims of the Palestinian giod and the

0:46:47.760 --> 0:46:51.960
<v Speaker 8>left has been a willing and eager ally of Palestinian Jihatis.

0:46:52.000 --> 0:46:55.000
<v Speaker 8>But I'm not sure they were Muslims. Both the left

0:46:55.160 --> 0:47:01.400
<v Speaker 8>and Muslims. Jihadis in general, want to destroyed the West,

0:47:01.520 --> 0:47:04.480
<v Speaker 8>want to destroy the United States, and so they are

0:47:04.520 --> 0:47:07.880
<v Speaker 8>happy to make common cause on that. And the Turtle

0:47:07.960 --> 0:47:12.000
<v Speaker 8>Island business is something that I've seen. If you look

0:47:12.000 --> 0:47:16.239
<v Speaker 8>at the Students for Justice and Palestine website, it's the

0:47:16.800 --> 0:47:20.440
<v Speaker 8>Muslim group that menaces Jewish students and pro Israel students

0:47:20.640 --> 0:47:24.960
<v Speaker 8>on campuses all over the country, and they speak a

0:47:25.000 --> 0:47:29.480
<v Speaker 8>lot about occupied Turtle Island on their website. Turtle Island

0:47:29.520 --> 0:47:32.759
<v Speaker 8>is supposedly the name that Native Americans gave to the

0:47:32.760 --> 0:47:35.880
<v Speaker 8>North American continent. But in any case, that is a

0:47:35.880 --> 0:47:40.120
<v Speaker 8>manifestation as far as I know, of the leftist Islamic Alliance,

0:47:40.239 --> 0:47:45.040
<v Speaker 8>which in its own way is as dangerous as the

0:47:45.120 --> 0:47:46.440
<v Speaker 8>Islamic Jihat itself.

0:47:47.320 --> 0:47:51.680
<v Speaker 1>You have to wonder too, how many Islamic jihadist terrorists,

0:47:52.480 --> 0:47:56.880
<v Speaker 1>and we know of some, but how many came in

0:47:56.960 --> 0:48:02.000
<v Speaker 1>the wake of the great Biden Immigrantsation mistake or plan

0:48:02.840 --> 0:48:05.200
<v Speaker 1>to bring all these millions of people from around the

0:48:05.200 --> 0:48:08.239
<v Speaker 1>world into the United States without any vetting, without any

0:48:08.320 --> 0:48:11.680
<v Speaker 1>knowledge of who they are, and no way to really

0:48:11.960 --> 0:48:16.480
<v Speaker 1>vet all those people. I wonder how many terrorst cells

0:48:16.880 --> 0:48:20.840
<v Speaker 1>are within I don't know, fifty mile radius of me

0:48:20.960 --> 0:48:22.200
<v Speaker 1>in Cincinnati right now.

0:48:23.000 --> 0:48:23.400
<v Speaker 2>You've got to.

0:48:23.400 --> 0:48:27.879
<v Speaker 8>Hold me any number yeah, exactly, because the Biden administration

0:48:28.400 --> 0:48:34.120
<v Speaker 8>made no effort to determine whether these people were sympathetic

0:48:34.160 --> 0:48:38.040
<v Speaker 8>with the Jihad, whether they were active jihattis nothing, and

0:48:38.280 --> 0:48:41.359
<v Speaker 8>so it's really only a matter of time. The gi

0:48:41.360 --> 0:48:44.440
<v Speaker 8>hotties aren't stupid, and they could see the border was open,

0:48:44.800 --> 0:48:47.640
<v Speaker 8>and so they took advantage. And we know that there

0:48:47.640 --> 0:48:50.560
<v Speaker 8>were many, many people on the terror watch list who

0:48:50.600 --> 0:48:53.120
<v Speaker 8>made it over. Some of the estimates have been frankly

0:48:53.200 --> 0:48:56.440
<v Speaker 8>shocking in terms of the high number of people on

0:48:56.480 --> 0:49:00.200
<v Speaker 8>the terror watch list who are here now, and that

0:49:00.440 --> 0:49:03.720
<v Speaker 8>even those don't take into account the people who didn't

0:49:03.719 --> 0:49:06.440
<v Speaker 8>get caught and who made it into the country with

0:49:06.560 --> 0:49:11.600
<v Speaker 8>no problem. And unfortunately, given the fact that they bide

0:49:11.680 --> 0:49:14.480
<v Speaker 8>their time or very patient and work on the basis

0:49:14.520 --> 0:49:17.880
<v Speaker 8>of sleeper cells, we could be seeing the repercussions of

0:49:17.920 --> 0:49:18.919
<v Speaker 8>this for years to come.

0:49:19.280 --> 0:49:24.239
<v Speaker 1>Well, Robert Spencer, you mentioned that it's not as advanced

0:49:24.280 --> 0:49:26.200
<v Speaker 1>here in the United States as it has gotten in

0:49:26.280 --> 0:49:29.560
<v Speaker 1>Australia or in the UK or some of these other

0:49:29.680 --> 0:49:36.319
<v Speaker 1>countries where they have been apologetic and basically rolling out

0:49:36.360 --> 0:49:39.440
<v Speaker 1>the red carpet for jihad to come to their countries.

0:49:41.040 --> 0:49:45.160
<v Speaker 1>France once again is the symbol of the white flag

0:49:45.200 --> 0:49:49.560
<v Speaker 1>of surrender. Particularly Paris, they just canceled their New Year's

0:49:49.560 --> 0:49:53.879
<v Speaker 1>Eve celebrations. And this is something that Paris has been

0:49:54.000 --> 0:49:57.520
<v Speaker 1>famous for over the last sixty five seventy years, is

0:49:57.560 --> 0:49:57.799
<v Speaker 1>it not.

0:49:59.239 --> 0:50:03.520
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, it's going on since the nineteen sixties. And it

0:50:03.560 --> 0:50:07.919
<v Speaker 8>was a beautiful celebration where they lit up the whole charm.

0:50:07.960 --> 0:50:10.400
<v Speaker 8>They leaves, the wonderful wide Avenue in the middle of

0:50:10.440 --> 0:50:15.120
<v Speaker 8>Paris lit up brightly and gaily. It was, of course

0:50:15.120 --> 0:50:17.600
<v Speaker 8>something you can only do in a country that's not

0:50:17.760 --> 0:50:21.520
<v Speaker 8>under siege. But now France is under siege, and so

0:50:22.200 --> 0:50:26.399
<v Speaker 8>they are canceling this and it made me wonder when

0:50:26.440 --> 0:50:28.480
<v Speaker 8>I saw the news, what do they think it's going

0:50:28.560 --> 0:50:30.040
<v Speaker 8>to be like in five or ten years. They think

0:50:30.080 --> 0:50:32.239
<v Speaker 8>they're just going to pick it up again then and

0:50:32.440 --> 0:50:35.719
<v Speaker 8>resume doing the things that they've always done. It's not

0:50:35.760 --> 0:50:37.960
<v Speaker 8>going to be that easy because they're not dealing with

0:50:38.000 --> 0:50:40.400
<v Speaker 8>the root of the problem. They're not dealing with the

0:50:40.440 --> 0:50:44.680
<v Speaker 8>problem of jihad or the problem of the many numbers

0:50:44.719 --> 0:50:48.520
<v Speaker 8>of jihattis that they also had brought in to their country,

0:50:49.000 --> 0:50:51.480
<v Speaker 8>and so this problem is only going to get worse

0:50:51.520 --> 0:50:51.799
<v Speaker 8>from them.

0:50:51.800 --> 0:50:52.720
<v Speaker 5>It's not going to get better.

0:50:53.160 --> 0:50:56.120
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, I don't think it's far fetched to

0:50:56.440 --> 0:50:59.799
<v Speaker 1>maybe in ten years see Notre Dame be converted into

0:50:59.840 --> 0:51:03.279
<v Speaker 1>a mosque. I mean, it really is that. And it's

0:51:03.320 --> 0:51:09.840
<v Speaker 1>again because of the mass flood of Islamic migration that

0:51:10.000 --> 0:51:13.640
<v Speaker 1>was allowed to happen by France, by England.

0:51:14.080 --> 0:51:14.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

0:51:15.520 --> 0:51:19.319
<v Speaker 1>I talked to somebody who has been going back and

0:51:19.360 --> 0:51:24.080
<v Speaker 1>forth to London on a regular basis over the last

0:51:24.320 --> 0:51:30.280
<v Speaker 1>twenty years, and she told me that London is unrecognizable

0:51:30.400 --> 0:51:36.640
<v Speaker 1>in many places because of the influence of the influx

0:51:36.719 --> 0:51:42.560
<v Speaker 1>and the influence of Islam and these kinds of precess

0:51:42.600 --> 0:51:46.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's steps away from Sharia law in parts

0:51:46.440 --> 0:51:48.480
<v Speaker 1>of London and England right now.

0:51:49.120 --> 0:51:50.120
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Yeah.

0:51:50.160 --> 0:51:52.279
<v Speaker 8>I was last in London in two thousand and nine,

0:51:52.719 --> 0:51:57.479
<v Speaker 8>which is sixteen almost seventeen years ago now, and I

0:51:57.560 --> 0:52:01.160
<v Speaker 8>remember taking long walks because of the kind of work

0:52:01.200 --> 0:52:04.360
<v Speaker 8>I do. I was going into mosques all over London

0:52:04.840 --> 0:52:10.000
<v Speaker 8>and walking around in East London, which is the heavily

0:52:10.120 --> 0:52:16.760
<v Speaker 8>Muslim area, and found that there are stretches whole streets

0:52:16.800 --> 0:52:19.719
<v Speaker 8>neighborhoods where you'd think you were in Pakistan, that there's

0:52:19.800 --> 0:52:24.360
<v Speaker 8>nothing visible anywhere around you that gives you any indication

0:52:24.480 --> 0:52:27.560
<v Speaker 8>that you're actually in England. And that was sixteen years ago.

0:52:28.000 --> 0:52:29.640
<v Speaker 8>I imagine it's much worse now.

0:52:30.120 --> 0:52:35.879
<v Speaker 1>Ye when you're hearing chance of gas the Jews in Australia.

0:52:36.480 --> 0:52:39.480
<v Speaker 1>It's really no wonder that this has occurred now, this

0:52:39.600 --> 0:52:41.080
<v Speaker 1>massacre at Bandai Beach.

0:52:42.200 --> 0:52:46.000
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, absolutely no, not at all. And see this is

0:52:46.040 --> 0:52:51.640
<v Speaker 8>something that is also right on directly the fault of

0:52:51.800 --> 0:52:56.600
<v Speaker 8>the leftist government that they coddled the people who were

0:52:57.000 --> 0:53:01.800
<v Speaker 8>coming out after the October seventh Gihat mass and acting

0:53:01.840 --> 0:53:06.680
<v Speaker 8>as if these people were entirely reasonable and entirely right

0:53:06.760 --> 0:53:10.080
<v Speaker 8>to be protesting and falsely charging Israel with genocide and

0:53:10.120 --> 0:53:13.440
<v Speaker 8>all this business. And they made it clear that they

0:53:13.480 --> 0:53:19.920
<v Speaker 8>could essentially run free with no repercussions. And so the

0:53:20.000 --> 0:53:25.080
<v Speaker 8>fact that these elements are allied with jihadis only meant

0:53:25.120 --> 0:53:27.520
<v Speaker 8>that there was going to be violence, and now here

0:53:27.520 --> 0:53:30.279
<v Speaker 8>we are nothing was more predictable.

0:53:30.800 --> 0:53:34.000
<v Speaker 1>What what what would be a Robert Spencer kind of

0:53:34.239 --> 0:53:39.000
<v Speaker 1>a solution to this? How how do we unwind what

0:53:39.160 --> 0:53:43.480
<v Speaker 1>has wound up? And how do we save Western culture?

0:53:43.719 --> 0:53:45.000
<v Speaker 1>How do we save Israel?

0:53:46.400 --> 0:53:48.680
<v Speaker 8>Well, we have to make sure to make it clear

0:53:48.840 --> 0:53:52.399
<v Speaker 8>to everybody in our various countries that there's one law

0:53:52.440 --> 0:53:55.800
<v Speaker 8>for everyone and that there's not going to be any

0:53:55.840 --> 0:54:00.879
<v Speaker 8>more indulgence for other systems of law. Now you might

0:54:00.920 --> 0:54:03.359
<v Speaker 8>think this is a bit far afield, but it's not.

0:54:03.640 --> 0:54:07.800
<v Speaker 8>In the UK, Muslims have been allowed to establish what

0:54:07.520 --> 0:54:12.000
<v Speaker 8>are what's essentially a parallel society with Sharia courts that

0:54:12.080 --> 0:54:14.920
<v Speaker 8>have the highest authority in the country rather than I

0:54:14.920 --> 0:54:17.200
<v Speaker 8>mean in the Muslim areas, rather than the law in

0:54:17.239 --> 0:54:20.399
<v Speaker 8>the land. And so that has to all stop, and

0:54:20.520 --> 0:54:23.960
<v Speaker 8>the people who are Muslims in all of our countries

0:54:24.040 --> 0:54:28.359
<v Speaker 8>have to be made to understand that jihad you got

0:54:28.400 --> 0:54:31.480
<v Speaker 8>to leave at the door. The misogyny you have to

0:54:31.560 --> 0:54:33.440
<v Speaker 8>leave at the door, the anti Semitism you have to

0:54:33.520 --> 0:54:36.000
<v Speaker 8>leave at the door. You're perfectly free to practice your

0:54:36.040 --> 0:54:39.680
<v Speaker 8>religion in the United States and England and Australia and

0:54:39.719 --> 0:54:43.880
<v Speaker 8>so on, but not at the expense of other existing

0:54:44.040 --> 0:54:48.480
<v Speaker 8>laws or in a way that endangers other communities. And

0:54:48.680 --> 0:54:50.839
<v Speaker 8>so that would be the first step. But there isn't

0:54:50.880 --> 0:54:52.920
<v Speaker 8>even any politician as the guts to do that.

0:54:54.640 --> 0:54:58.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean, what votes are they they looking to get?

0:54:59.080 --> 0:55:03.240
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't understand this. Maybe this goes broader

0:55:03.280 --> 0:55:07.200
<v Speaker 1>than a politician have encouraged. Maybe it's a matter of

0:55:07.320 --> 0:55:11.279
<v Speaker 1>just education of the public at mass to make them

0:55:11.400 --> 0:55:15.000
<v Speaker 1>understand what's going on and what needs to be done

0:55:15.560 --> 0:55:20.840
<v Speaker 1>to save us. Because well, there's no doubt that the sorry, well,

0:55:21.120 --> 0:55:25.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, because that's what's at stake. It's saving culture,

0:55:25.239 --> 0:55:31.200
<v Speaker 1>it's saving a society. I mean because yes, because that

0:55:31.320 --> 0:55:35.400
<v Speaker 1>branch of Islam is about world domination and about taking

0:55:35.440 --> 0:55:39.640
<v Speaker 1>completely over. And I don't think that's absolutely true. And

0:55:39.640 --> 0:55:41.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't think enough people understand that, Robert.

0:55:43.040 --> 0:55:46.800
<v Speaker 8>They don't, And as a matter of fact, when somebody

0:55:46.840 --> 0:55:50.279
<v Speaker 8>tries to say it, he gets shot down. You take,

0:55:50.320 --> 0:55:56.200
<v Speaker 8>for example, Senator Tommy Tuberville of Alabama, who just recently

0:55:56.239 --> 0:56:00.200
<v Speaker 8>has started speaking honestly about Islam, and just yesterday we

0:56:00.280 --> 0:56:04.080
<v Speaker 8>did a very strong statement, a statement I don't entirely

0:56:04.120 --> 0:56:06.280
<v Speaker 8>agree with, where he said Islam is not a religion.

0:56:06.360 --> 0:56:08.640
<v Speaker 8>I think it is a religion. It's just a political,

0:56:08.680 --> 0:56:12.120
<v Speaker 8>supremacist and violent religion. But in any case, he went

0:56:12.160 --> 0:56:15.040
<v Speaker 8>on to say that we have to fight against the

0:56:15.200 --> 0:56:18.160
<v Speaker 8>Islamists in the United States, which is a word people

0:56:18.320 --> 0:56:22.399
<v Speaker 8>usually use to refer to Jihadis or other people who

0:56:22.440 --> 0:56:26.439
<v Speaker 8>want to bring Islamic law to the country, so you'd

0:56:26.440 --> 0:56:28.279
<v Speaker 8>think nobody would have a problem with that, but he's

0:56:28.320 --> 0:56:32.160
<v Speaker 8>just being inundated with people calling him Islamophobic and all that.

0:56:33.120 --> 0:56:37.759
<v Speaker 1>Robert Spencer, I appreciate your time tonight and interviews like

0:56:37.800 --> 0:56:41.560
<v Speaker 1>this can't hurt if somebody hears it and maybe further

0:56:41.719 --> 0:56:46.880
<v Speaker 1>understands what the world is facing right now. Again, my

0:56:47.000 --> 0:56:51.719
<v Speaker 1>condolences to anyone who lost their lives at the hands

0:56:51.760 --> 0:56:57.120
<v Speaker 1>of these murderous people. And happy Hanukkah.

0:56:58.840 --> 0:56:59.600
<v Speaker 4>Thank you very much.

0:57:00.480 --> 0:57:02.759
<v Speaker 2>All right, thank you, Robert Spencer with us on the

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<v Speaker 1>you closer and closer to midnight and an hour closer

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0:58:18.040 --> 0:58:22.400
<v Speaker 1>an investigative reporter, I mean for years. He is the

0:58:22.440 --> 0:58:26.360
<v Speaker 1>author of non fiction books like The Great Pretense, A

0:58:26.400 --> 0:58:29.360
<v Speaker 1>Tour through the Boneyard of the CIA's War for Drugs,

0:58:29.920 --> 0:58:34.560
<v Speaker 1>Dispatches from the House of Death, are As, a cartel Informant,

0:58:34.840 --> 0:58:38.360
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<v Speaker 1>Edge of the Empire. Wow, that's a lengthy title. We

0:58:42.080 --> 0:58:45.320
<v Speaker 1>could probably talk about that title for the next twenty minutes.

0:58:45.320 --> 0:58:49.959
<v Speaker 1>Bill Bill Conroy joins his son the Nightcap about what's

0:58:50.040 --> 0:58:54.200
<v Speaker 1>going on right now with the Trump administration, the United

0:58:54.200 --> 0:58:59.880
<v Speaker 1>States and Maduro and Venezuela. Bill Conroy, welcome.

0:58:59.600 --> 0:59:00.000
<v Speaker 2>To the show.

0:59:01.640 --> 0:59:04.160
<v Speaker 4>Glad to be here, g for to having me on.

0:59:04.840 --> 0:59:06.560
<v Speaker 2>No doubt.

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<v Speaker 1>So the premise is basically according to President Trump and

0:59:15.840 --> 0:59:20.600
<v Speaker 1>the military, is this the coke boat strikes in the Caribbean.

0:59:21.200 --> 0:59:24.840
<v Speaker 1>And all of the things you've seen were about fentanyl

0:59:25.160 --> 0:59:29.480
<v Speaker 1>and drugs coming into this country. And while the precursors

0:59:29.600 --> 0:59:32.600
<v Speaker 1>from fentanyl coming from China did go to places like

0:59:32.680 --> 0:59:38.400
<v Speaker 1>Venezuela and Mexico, and that has been largely thwarted in

0:59:38.440 --> 0:59:42.800
<v Speaker 1>many ways stopped with the closing of our border, it

0:59:42.840 --> 0:59:45.560
<v Speaker 1>can still get here any number of ways, and as

0:59:45.600 --> 0:59:49.120
<v Speaker 1>long as there is a demand in this country, somebody's

0:59:49.200 --> 0:59:53.360
<v Speaker 1>going to supply it somehow until they're stopped for real.

0:59:54.080 --> 0:59:59.440
<v Speaker 1>But I mean, I said, from the insight, without any

0:59:59.640 --> 1:00:02.840
<v Speaker 1>of your fore knowledge of what the CIA has been

1:00:02.880 --> 1:00:07.240
<v Speaker 1>involved with in years past, with the quote war on drugs,

1:00:07.840 --> 1:00:11.800
<v Speaker 1>saw this as what I believe it is. It's just

1:00:11.840 --> 1:00:16.880
<v Speaker 1>an effort to unseat Maduro, who obviously is an illegitimate president.

1:00:17.040 --> 1:00:19.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean, the other candidate got more votes, but he

1:00:20.160 --> 1:00:25.240
<v Speaker 1>said no, I'm I'm not leaving. And it's similar to

1:00:25.320 --> 1:00:28.920
<v Speaker 1>things that have been done in the past, that Manuel

1:00:28.960 --> 1:00:33.560
<v Speaker 1>Noriega and Panama, and you can cite many other examples

1:00:33.600 --> 1:00:37.440
<v Speaker 1>of how the CIA worked to overthrow foreign governments.

1:00:37.960 --> 1:00:39.320
<v Speaker 2>It's nothing new for them.

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<v Speaker 1>But I also saw it as what it is I think,

1:00:45.280 --> 1:00:50.440
<v Speaker 1>and that's you know, obviously about oil and sanctions against China,

1:00:51.280 --> 1:00:54.400
<v Speaker 1>and from that standpoint, I kind of agree with it.

1:00:54.760 --> 1:00:56.800
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, Bill, I wanted to get your thoughts on

1:00:56.840 --> 1:01:01.920
<v Speaker 1>what the Trump administration the CIA is doing. And I

1:01:01.960 --> 1:01:06.280
<v Speaker 1>know you've seen this movie before, so please yeah.

1:01:06.520 --> 1:01:06.720
<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

1:01:06.760 --> 1:01:09.040
<v Speaker 4>The first thing is more, you know, a number of

1:01:09.040 --> 1:01:11.920
<v Speaker 4>things can be true at once, and you know, I

1:01:11.960 --> 1:01:16.080
<v Speaker 4>think that's the case here there. This is the Trump

1:01:16.160 --> 1:01:19.600
<v Speaker 4>Forum policy, which you know they had veiled recently. It's

1:01:19.680 --> 1:01:23.360
<v Speaker 4>it's essentially the Monroe Doctor and Portant two point zero, right,

1:01:23.480 --> 1:01:28.480
<v Speaker 4>it's like really exert all influence over national security or

1:01:28.520 --> 1:01:34.040
<v Speaker 4>security economic policy in Americas. And you know they're in

1:01:34.040 --> 1:01:37.840
<v Speaker 4>the past and as is currently, they've mainly targeted leftist

1:01:38.040 --> 1:01:41.240
<v Speaker 4>leaders in Latin America. You know, all the past coups

1:01:41.240 --> 1:01:45.360
<v Speaker 4>going back to Guatemala, you know the band Pig Piggs,

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<v Speaker 4>Envision in Cuba, the you know coup and Chile in

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<v Speaker 4>the nineteen seventies, the cocaine coup in Bolivia in nineteen eighty,

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<v Speaker 4>which basically replaced the Left as president with a winter

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<v Speaker 4>composed of literally of a former Nazi in Marco traffickers.

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<v Speaker 4>And then you know the CIA contract crack cocaine scandal

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<v Speaker 4>the later in mid nineteen eighties. You know, that's all

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<v Speaker 4>Nords and everyone. And Trump tried this in this first administration.

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<v Speaker 4>He had the CIA, and they're attempting to flevent a

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<v Speaker 4>coup in Venezuela there in his first term. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it's no surprise that they're trying to get rid of

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<v Speaker 4>the Duro. He's kind of the entertain of the kind

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<v Speaker 4>of the Bulavarian leftist revolution, the remaining you know, leader

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<v Speaker 4>from that era. There's and you know there's other there's

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<v Speaker 4>pressure on Colombia right next door, which is, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the major source of the coca plant in cocaine, Colombia,

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<v Speaker 4>and actually all the and these nations can grow the

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<v Speaker 4>coca leafs, but only they can. So the only place

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<v Speaker 4>cocaine is coming from is that region of the world. Right,

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<v Speaker 4>and Venezuela was never a major producer. They're a transit nation,

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<v Speaker 4>so probably more money went to Venezuela than drugs. That's

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<v Speaker 4>probably it's major use in that as.

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<v Speaker 1>Far as Bill, as far as the oil frigate that

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<v Speaker 1>was seized, the oil ship that was seized, it was

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<v Speaker 1>seized because we have sanctions against people doing business with

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<v Speaker 1>China and this oil or with Iran. I mean, we

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<v Speaker 1>have sanctions with people doing business with Iran and oil,

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<v Speaker 1>and this was obviously.

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<v Speaker 2>Part of that.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you enforce sanctions if you don't enforce them,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, isn't that basically what the United States was

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<v Speaker 1>doing by seizing this tanker.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, and also they're threatening to see more tankers. So

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<v Speaker 4>again this goes back to the thing that a number

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<v Speaker 4>of things could be true at once. They're using, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of legal language to justify what's going on.

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<v Speaker 4>In the case of blowing out the drug boats. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>they claim that they're Darko terrorists and we have you know,

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<v Speaker 4>sanctions against them, right, Well, we don't have sanctions to

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<v Speaker 4>kill them, you know, that's that whole thing is built

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<v Speaker 4>on economic sanctions. But the point is, if you look

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<v Speaker 4>at what they did, it's it's it's you know, there

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<v Speaker 4>really is nothing you can do about it. Right, First, say,

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<v Speaker 4>the first thing is if you blow, if you kill

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<v Speaker 4>somebody in international waters and there's no war, it's not

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<v Speaker 4>war crime. Right. Congress is the only one that will

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<v Speaker 4>declare war, So that doesn't really shit. If you uh

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<v Speaker 4>murder somebody in the international waters and they're a US

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<v Speaker 4>national in other words, you know, a residence or citizens,

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<v Speaker 4>you can bring murder charges in US courts against whoever

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<v Speaker 4>did that. But if they're not, which these these uh

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<v Speaker 4>you know, the people they're killing in the in the

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<v Speaker 4>Caribbean and in the Pacific are not US citizens, then

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<v Speaker 4>the only option is for the nations of those uh

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<v Speaker 4>of those killed to bring the charges. And and that

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<v Speaker 4>might be like what Acuador and Venezuela and Columbia. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>that's happened before where US agents have been charged with

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<v Speaker 4>crimes in the just aid those countries. That's what happens,

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<v Speaker 4>and then you know, you ask gotta regisplates it. So

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<v Speaker 4>there really is nothing that's going to be done about that.

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<v Speaker 4>And they're kind of the same thing with the oil takers.

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<v Speaker 4>There there's a thin legal justification for seizing the oil tankers,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, that's what they say is that this oil

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<v Speaker 4>was bound for it was a you know, an unfair

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<v Speaker 4>or a false flag ship that was bound for to

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<v Speaker 4>deliver sanctioned oil, and that may be true, and you're right,

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<v Speaker 4>they should be seized. Russia's got a whole fleet of

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<v Speaker 4>those that were not seizing, right, So the double standards

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<v Speaker 4>and foreign policy or you know, if you look at

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<v Speaker 4>it or profile. But anyway, so we seize their tankers

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<v Speaker 4>and we continue to do that, and we have were

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<v Speaker 4>blowing up all the bullets coming out of Venezuela, which

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<v Speaker 4>you effectively have as a blockade of Venezuela, which in

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<v Speaker 4>itself is an active war. And I think they're just

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<v Speaker 4>going to ratchet the pressure up until there's some kind

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<v Speaker 4>of coup in Venezuela, which is what the CIA's role

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<v Speaker 4>is on the ground. There is to you know, bargain

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<v Speaker 4>for that fer meant that you know, help the opposition

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<v Speaker 4>position themselves for you know, post Madure, all that kind

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<v Speaker 4>of thing. So there's a lot of a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of stuff going on on the ground that

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<v Speaker 4>we don't know about, and that we probably won't know

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<v Speaker 4>about frankly for years, because that's that's what you know,

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<v Speaker 4>This stuff doesn't come out, you know, it's it's surprising

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<v Speaker 4>that that Trump admitted we have the CIA operating on

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<v Speaker 4>the groundment there. That's the first surprising thing. But anyway, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>you're right. I mean, if you're gonna, you know, enforce stations,

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<v Speaker 4>then you would think you'd enforce them against every country

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<v Speaker 4>that's running these these these false relave ships and and.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeh, Bill, Bill, Bill Bill, I think, I think I

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<v Speaker 1>think that where it gets to, uh, the Monroe doctrine

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<v Speaker 1>component of this, this is in our hemisphere. We're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to go to Russia and and go to the

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<v Speaker 1>Black Sea and start commandeering oil ships, are we No.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but they're not coming from the Black Seat. They're

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<v Speaker 4>coming across international waters from you know, different places. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>some of the Venezuela and oil is going to Russia too,

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<v Speaker 4>So we don't know where that oil was about. But

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<v Speaker 4>that is, you know, to get back to the major point.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, you could argue over whether you know, the

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<v Speaker 4>US policy is being implemented to you know, to actually

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<v Speaker 4>you know, get after the sanctioned oil, or if it's

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<v Speaker 4>also being implemented to continue prussing the Duro to get

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<v Speaker 4>him out of office. I'd argue it's both right and

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<v Speaker 4>why not? And you know, it seems like a good

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<v Speaker 4>play for him, and you know they're they're basically going

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<v Speaker 4>to you know, next step would be to start, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>shooting missiles in there somewhere based on presumably intelligence from

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<v Speaker 4>the ground there where where where they want to strike,

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<v Speaker 4>and you know they'll go after they did. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>they tried to eradicate coca fields in Columbia for years,

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<v Speaker 4>for decades. It didn't work. And if if you see

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<v Speaker 4>how cold the plants grow there, you'd see why, because

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<v Speaker 4>they grow in like little corners of the jungle that

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<v Speaker 4>you'd never find. They're not. You're not going to find

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<v Speaker 4>those very easily with with any kind of technology. You'd

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<v Speaker 4>have to have you know, on the ground surveillance people

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<v Speaker 4>you know, informants and so forth, and assets, and that's

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<v Speaker 4>the world to see act would be played.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that.

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<v Speaker 4>Location because I think they would take Maduro out.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, and I'm not and I'm not sure that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily a bad thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, here here's the deal with that. Here Again, there's

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<v Speaker 4>always consequences for for these decisions. And there's the raw,

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<v Speaker 4>raw moment where you get rid of a guy like that,

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<v Speaker 4>and then there's the day after like we fought we

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<v Speaker 4>found in Iraq, and there's similar attentions in Venezuela. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>but Dua is just a it's just a figure. The

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<v Speaker 4>pro Chabbista, which is you know, the kind of the

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<v Speaker 4>left militias are very you know, they're not going to

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<v Speaker 4>stop the US military, but they are going to be

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<v Speaker 4>you know, guirrilla fighters. You know, so you're gonna have

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<v Speaker 4>You could easily get bogged down investment. It's a huge country.

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<v Speaker 4>You could spark a civil war there that spreads over

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<v Speaker 4>into Colombia. I mean, you could destabilize that whole region

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<v Speaker 4>and make make our life a lot harder. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>what are you going to send in US troops to

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<v Speaker 4>guard the oil fields? I mean, that's probably what we'd

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<v Speaker 4>have to do. So you you that's the problem. I

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<v Speaker 4>mean in the real world. Yeah, it's as you know,

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<v Speaker 4>as the bad guys have black hats, the big guys

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<v Speaker 4>have white hats, and we have a shoe on. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>it doesn't work that way, so you know, and and

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know how many how many of these things

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<v Speaker 4>they're really considering. I know they do want to. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>it isn't just Venezuela either, there's a number of you know, Colombia,

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<v Speaker 4>they have elections coming up. They want to know, they

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<v Speaker 4>want to you know, get the leftist leader out there

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<v Speaker 4>and move to the right. Argent teenagers reelected it's leader

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<v Speaker 4>which is friendly with the Trump administration. So that's really

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<v Speaker 4>they want governments that are friendly and are going to

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<v Speaker 4>you complyiant and to follow what the edicts are out

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<v Speaker 4>of Washington. That's nothing new. But no, they're being aggressive

1:10:08.120 --> 1:10:12.240
<v Speaker 4>about it, right, They're they're They're not. It's not being

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<v Speaker 4>done through hard diplomacy or or backdoor channels. It's like,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, we're going to shoot this missile down your

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<v Speaker 4>sword if you don't do what we want you to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Uh, you can pre order Bill's new book, The

1:10:23.520 --> 1:10:26.480
<v Speaker 1>Great Pretense, a tour through the boneyard of the CIA's

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<v Speaker 1>War four Drugs. And I tell you what, I'd much

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<v Speaker 1>rather have a president uh actually actually care and and

1:10:36.360 --> 1:10:39.840
<v Speaker 1>be as transparent as Trump has been about this, then

1:10:39.920 --> 1:10:43.120
<v Speaker 1>have a president who say, is running drugs into the

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<v Speaker 1>Mina airstrip in Arkansas when he's governor, not mentioning any names.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, all that okay, all that history is very it's

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<v Speaker 4>worth mulling over. I would say this, So there's no

1:10:55.360 --> 1:10:58.320
<v Speaker 4>way this is about drugs. And I'll give you I'll

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<v Speaker 4>give you my reasoning on that quick. If we have times.

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<v Speaker 4>First of all, they've blown up, you know, give or

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<v Speaker 4>take twenty four twenty five boats, and those both maybe

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<v Speaker 4>carry let's say, on average, two tons. They can carry

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<v Speaker 4>a ton that some of them might might be packed

1:11:16.160 --> 1:11:18.840
<v Speaker 4>with four times that bigger one, but maybe two tons

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<v Speaker 4>on average. That's what fifty tons of cocaine on those boats.

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<v Speaker 4>And the production of pure coke cocaine. Remember, every time

1:11:29.120 --> 1:11:31.840
<v Speaker 4>cocaine is you know, touch his hands. When it's sold

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<v Speaker 4>from one party the next, it gets cut, it gets

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<v Speaker 4>you know, you know, cut it with whatever whatever, you know,

1:11:38.160 --> 1:11:42.040
<v Speaker 4>whatever they have to you know, it stretches the cocaine.

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<v Speaker 4>They can make more money. So this is the pure

1:11:44.720 --> 1:11:48.400
<v Speaker 4>cocaine production estimate. This is from the UN and you

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<v Speaker 4>know there's no totally accurate because you just don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>But they have people on the ground, you know, doing

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<v Speaker 4>doing some research on this at.

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<v Speaker 5>Least about.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but it's based on on ground surveys. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>they actually have people in Colombia and the Andes looking

1:12:06.000 --> 1:12:08.280
<v Speaker 4>where the coca fields are, right, So they have a

1:12:08.320 --> 1:12:12.040
<v Speaker 4>pretty good idea. But they asked them, is three thousand,

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<v Speaker 4>seven hundred and eight tons of pure cocaine will be produced?

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<v Speaker 4>That was the most recent figure was two twenty three,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's been rising, right, so we got fifty tons

1:12:20.960 --> 1:12:24.080
<v Speaker 4>of that. That's like, you know, we're not stopping We're

1:12:24.080 --> 1:12:28.360
<v Speaker 4>not stopping cocaine. So with this, so it's clearly a

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<v Speaker 4>show offorce for us.

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<v Speaker 1>Neil, do you understand that that will be a relief

1:12:32.240 --> 1:12:35.040
<v Speaker 1>to a lot of people listening tonight that you were

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<v Speaker 1>not stopping this.

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<v Speaker 4>Cocaine They probably already know, right, Yeah, But I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 4>But but that's I mean, there's a few other there's

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<v Speaker 4>a number of other reasons. I mean, Trump is not

1:12:47.680 --> 1:12:50.960
<v Speaker 4>really ideological about the drug worry. He pardoned like this

1:12:51.040 --> 1:12:53.839
<v Speaker 4>year so far ten people accused of drug crimes, including

1:12:53.840 --> 1:12:57.000
<v Speaker 4>one of the biggest traffickers in Central America. For years,

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<v Speaker 4>the head of the president of Honduras allowed the similar

1:13:01.600 --> 1:13:05.160
<v Speaker 4>cartel to travel drugs through his country with protection of

1:13:05.200 --> 1:13:09.000
<v Speaker 4>his forces. Uh, they asked, it was like four hundred

1:13:09.160 --> 1:13:12.840
<v Speaker 4>billion tons of cocaine that he let into the US

1:13:13.080 --> 1:13:15.400
<v Speaker 4>that way they got into view or through his country anyway.

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<v Speaker 4>So I don't think Trump's ideological. I think this is

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<v Speaker 4>about oil. The other thing that that right next door

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<v Speaker 4>to Venezuela is Guiana, and that's, yeah, you know, a

1:13:26.560 --> 1:13:29.600
<v Speaker 4>country probably people we'd only remember from you know, the

1:13:29.920 --> 1:13:32.400
<v Speaker 4>kool aid murderers back in the day, remember Jim Jones

1:13:32.439 --> 1:13:36.760
<v Speaker 4>and all that. Anyway, they they've had major oil discoveries there.

1:13:36.840 --> 1:13:42.240
<v Speaker 4>Excellent's actually drilling there. So right that whole region in

1:13:42.400 --> 1:13:45.400
<v Speaker 4>Venezuela has a fifth of the world's oil reserves. And

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<v Speaker 4>now they got these huge it's it's me to be

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<v Speaker 4>the fastest growing oil fields in the world are now

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<v Speaker 4>in Ghana in terms of the rate of production and

1:13:55.760 --> 1:13:58.880
<v Speaker 4>exploitation whatever you want to call it, that underway there.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's all like natural preserves too, so there's some

1:14:02.320 --> 1:14:05.720
<v Speaker 4>ecnological things going on that you know, we'll after you

1:14:05.760 --> 1:14:08.519
<v Speaker 4>iron out. But all that said, that's what a state.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, we right now in the US produced

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of oil, but it's you know, it's kind

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<v Speaker 4>of the yellow crude. It's it's the light stuff. And

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<v Speaker 4>you know, Venezuela is you know the goopy you know,

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<v Speaker 4>black tire, you know oil that that we need. And

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<v Speaker 4>so that's you know what, every every four we've been

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<v Speaker 4>in since I can remember, you know, after Vietnam anyway,

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<v Speaker 4>has been about oil and I to something or another,

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<v Speaker 4>and I don't see why this won't want to be

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<v Speaker 4>any different.

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<v Speaker 1>And again, I think that it's great if we realize

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<v Speaker 1>more of of the capabilities of having that energy at

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<v Speaker 1>our disposal.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's all good for America. I'm pro oil

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<v Speaker 2>and uh and obviously the tide has turned against all

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<v Speaker 2>this alternative energy stuff that doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 4>Bill. Yeah, but that's kind of a sidetrack. The real

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<v Speaker 4>question here is what do you do you support, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>overthrowing governments to get their oil. This one, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>you could say, yeah, it's a bad guy, we should

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<v Speaker 4>overthrow them, and then you know, cut a deal, which

1:15:17.360 --> 1:15:19.240
<v Speaker 4>is what they would do. It's a new government, which

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<v Speaker 4>is would be more right winging right wing and more

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<v Speaker 4>accommodating to us, you know, getting a huge cut, and

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<v Speaker 4>you know we'd offer them protection. I'm sure that's one

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<v Speaker 4>way to get our oil, I guess, but it's going

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<v Speaker 4>to come at a price because it's you know, the

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<v Speaker 4>the you know, those those acts tend to have blowback, right,

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<v Speaker 4>and so we're gonna have. It's going to create a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of you know, it'd be like somebody coming in

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<v Speaker 4>here and taking over. You know, they want something from us,

1:15:47.840 --> 1:15:49.840
<v Speaker 4>and they just come in and take it over. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>the reaction to the that whole region is not going

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<v Speaker 4>to be good. It's going to create as many problems

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<v Speaker 4>as it solves. It would be better, I think, and

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<v Speaker 4>it's a dilemma. I think the administration faithes it would

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<v Speaker 4>be far better if Maduro would leave on his own

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<v Speaker 4>than if we got to force him out or there's

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<v Speaker 4>some kind of you know, coup that we're implicated in

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<v Speaker 4>or invasion, because the geopolitics of us going at it

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<v Speaker 4>that way are I think good haunt us for decades

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<v Speaker 4>and costs. You know, well, we'll get oil, but it'll

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<v Speaker 4>come at the cause of American blood and treasure, and

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<v Speaker 4>you know we got to fear. Yeah, I hope not either.

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<v Speaker 4>But that's one of the concerns that we get. And

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sure they're sitting in a dilemma with a third

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<v Speaker 4>of our naval fleet off the coast of Venezuela and

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<v Speaker 4>up toward Puerto Rico, wondering what comes back. Because the

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<v Speaker 4>States are incredibly high again.

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<v Speaker 1>The book is The Great Pretense, a Tour through the

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<v Speaker 1>Boneyard of the CIA's War for Drugs. The author is

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Conroy and he's busing my guest tonight. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much, Bill for your time.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I appreciate the conversation.

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<v Speaker 6>Gary.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it was you asked some good questions.

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<v Speaker 1>Merry Christmas. All right, thank you sir. Take care all right,

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<v Speaker 1>we still have more to go. Dave Hatter and Jim

1:17:09.200 --> 1:17:12.600
<v Speaker 1>Ranesi will join us before midnight on the Nightcap.

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<v Speaker 13>Listening to a man standing in the park isn't funny.

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<v Speaker 13>Listening to a man standing in the park getting hit

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<v Speaker 13>in the groin with a frisbee oach mi groin is funny.

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<v Speaker 13>Eddie and Rocky are also funny. So when you think

1:17:27.760 --> 1:17:31.519
<v Speaker 13>of getting hit in the groin oach mi groin, think

1:17:31.600 --> 1:17:33.160
<v Speaker 13>of Eddie and Rocky.

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<v Speaker 2>Eddie and Rocky. Tomorrow afternoon at three.

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<v Speaker 8>On seven hundred WLW.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm Stephen Curry and this is Gentleman's cut.

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<v Speaker 14>I think what makes the gentlest As we continue towards

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<v Speaker 14>midnight on this night Cap, I thought my friend Jim

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<v Speaker 14>RAEESI would be wonderful to spend a few minutes with

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<v Speaker 14>and he agreed to come on.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think he agreed that it would be wonderful necessarily,

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<v Speaker 1>but he agreed to come on. So we'll take what

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<v Speaker 1>we can get on a Tuesday night. Jim Ornacy, welcome

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<v Speaker 1>back to the program. How are you, sir?

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<v Speaker 15>Very good, Thank you for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to ask first about since you spent your

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<v Speaker 1>time in Washington, d C. In the House, and what

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<v Speaker 1>is going on with the wrangling of cats now among

1:18:21.439 --> 1:18:26.519
<v Speaker 1>the Republicans trying to get this replacement healthcare bill to

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<v Speaker 1>the floor and get it voted on and passed and

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<v Speaker 1>sent over to the Senate, and you know the things

1:18:33.320 --> 1:18:36.040
<v Speaker 1>that have already failed. I was talking with a guest

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<v Speaker 1>earlier tonight about this, Jim, and all we heard in

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<v Speaker 1>President Trump's first term in that Congress was it's time

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<v Speaker 1>to repeal and replace Obamacare, and that wound up falling

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<v Speaker 1>on its face, mainly because of John McCain, but in

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<v Speaker 1>the Senate. But they are talking about it again with

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<v Speaker 1>a brand new plan to replace these COVID subsidies that

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<v Speaker 1>were added to Obamacare, which are set to expire, and

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<v Speaker 1>everything's going to blow up here. After the first year

1:19:09.800 --> 1:19:11.320
<v Speaker 1>they got to figure out what they're going to do.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think will happen. Do you think the

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans will work out some deal where they extend those

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<v Speaker 1>subsidies for another year or what's going on?

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<v Speaker 15>Well, again, what's interesting is you're right, Republicans wanted to

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<v Speaker 15>get rid of Obamacare. We worked extremely hard. I was

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<v Speaker 15>in Congress at that time. We had a plan to

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<v Speaker 15>replace it. We moved it through the House. It needed

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<v Speaker 15>one more vote out of the Senate, which was John McCain,

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<v Speaker 15>and if everybody remembers, he walked in at midnight with

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<v Speaker 15>a thumb down and voted against it, and that killed

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<v Speaker 15>the replacement for Obamacare during the previous Trump administration.

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<v Speaker 4>So this is not easy.

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<v Speaker 15>There's a lot of moving pieces to it. But now

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<v Speaker 15>it's become even more ridiculous because it appears what the

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<v Speaker 15>House is going to do is just pass a few

1:20:01.520 --> 1:20:05.559
<v Speaker 15>things that they've already passed that the Senate would not

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<v Speaker 15>pass or take up. But they're going to pass it

1:20:08.400 --> 1:20:12.400
<v Speaker 15>as a symbolic measure to say, hey, we tried, the

1:20:12.439 --> 1:20:17.519
<v Speaker 15>Senate's already tried. It appears they don't have anything else.

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<v Speaker 15>They're all going to go home with these subsidies. Actually

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<v Speaker 15>ending at December thirty first, and of course healthcare costs spiking,

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<v Speaker 15>but I think they would have spiked even without the

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<v Speaker 15>Obamacare subsidies. And then they're talking about coming back in

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<v Speaker 15>January and coming up with a plan that everybody can

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<v Speaker 15>agree to. Well, you know, Gary, this is the problem

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<v Speaker 15>with Washington. I said this all along. If you really

1:20:44.160 --> 1:20:49.720
<v Speaker 15>want to fix Washington, you force a balanced budget, you

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<v Speaker 15>put term limits in, and you don't let people go

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<v Speaker 15>home until things are done. If you told everybody, guys,

1:20:56.760 --> 1:20:59.519
<v Speaker 15>we're not going home and you're going to spend Christmas

1:20:59.520 --> 1:21:02.080
<v Speaker 15>Eve here until we finish this, which is by the

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<v Speaker 15>way we do in the real world. I did it

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<v Speaker 15>a lot of times in the business world. This kind

1:21:06.760 --> 1:21:09.680
<v Speaker 15>of stuff would get settled. But instead we'll kick the

1:21:09.720 --> 1:21:12.040
<v Speaker 15>can down the road to January and see what happens.

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<v Speaker 1>For his part, Speaker Johnson was speaking to this morning.

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<v Speaker 1>As a matter of fact, I heard some of the

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<v Speaker 1>press conference and it's daily briefing, and he said that

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<v Speaker 1>this plan by Republicans would this cost sharing and whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>would bring premiums down by eleven percent. He said, even

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<v Speaker 1>if you extended the current subsidies, it would only bring

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<v Speaker 1>the savings down five point seven percent initially for about

1:21:38.720 --> 1:21:41.759
<v Speaker 1>seven percent of the population. There's not a large amount

1:21:41.800 --> 1:21:45.760
<v Speaker 1>of people apparently, who are on these Obama subsidies. The

1:21:45.880 --> 1:21:50.840
<v Speaker 1>exchanges and premiums are skyrocketing. They've got to find a

1:21:50.880 --> 1:21:55.960
<v Speaker 1>way to make this I don't want to even use

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<v Speaker 1>the a word affordable, but something reasonable that people can

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<v Speaker 1>you know, rely on and have some kind of medical

1:22:03.520 --> 1:22:06.800
<v Speaker 1>coverage and uh and still be able to eat.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so I would agree with you.

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<v Speaker 15>But the problem is, remember, Speaker Johnson's going to put

1:22:13.600 --> 1:22:17.000
<v Speaker 15>out talking points. These talking points were already brought out.

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<v Speaker 15>These these same items are already passed by the House.

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<v Speaker 15>They're not passing anything but a bundled group of bills

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<v Speaker 15>they've already passed, and that's why it's going to pass.

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<v Speaker 15>There was originally going to be an amendment allowed by

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<v Speaker 15>the Moderates to, you know, to advance the subsidies for

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<v Speaker 15>two more years, I believe, and this morning Speaker Johnson

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<v Speaker 15>said no, we're not going to allow that to happen

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<v Speaker 15>unless we find cost savings. Now, I give them credit

1:22:49.280 --> 1:22:52.360
<v Speaker 15>for saying that, but what that really did was throw

1:22:52.439 --> 1:22:57.080
<v Speaker 15>the moderates under the bus, because that that advancement or

1:22:57.960 --> 1:23:01.400
<v Speaker 15>continuation of subsidies was not going to path either, I

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<v Speaker 15>don't believe, and it would have give them an opportunity

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<v Speaker 15>to vote for something that they could go back home

1:23:06.360 --> 1:23:08.599
<v Speaker 15>and say, hey, I tried, Because you got to remember,

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<v Speaker 15>there are probably ten members of the House of Representatives

1:23:12.360 --> 1:23:16.920
<v Speaker 15>that are Republicans that are in Democrat districts, and you've

1:23:16.960 --> 1:23:19.880
<v Speaker 15>got to give them something, especially when you only have

1:23:19.960 --> 1:23:23.040
<v Speaker 15>a four or five seat majority, so that they don't lose.

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<v Speaker 15>And this was an opportunity for the Speaker to give

1:23:26.320 --> 1:23:28.600
<v Speaker 15>them something, even though it wouldn't have passed and it

1:23:28.600 --> 1:23:31.439
<v Speaker 15>wouldn't have mattered, but I guess that felt as well.

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<v Speaker 4>So you know, they're going to have to go back

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<v Speaker 4>and say.

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<v Speaker 15>We supported a bill at least to keep things going

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<v Speaker 15>forward that the Senate's not going to pass. And it's

1:23:40.640 --> 1:23:43.519
<v Speaker 15>all about talking points. It's all about the next election

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<v Speaker 15>and how can I get the best talking point out

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<v Speaker 15>and get re elected.

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<v Speaker 1>Sad but true, and sad but true to the comments

1:23:52.880 --> 1:23:59.120
<v Speaker 1>of President Trump when the news of the passing the

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<v Speaker 1>murder of Rob Reiner and his wife was announced at

1:24:03.479 --> 1:24:07.000
<v Speaker 1>White House press briefing, and President Trump's only respond was,

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<v Speaker 1>I was never a fan of Rob Reiner, without any

1:24:11.120 --> 1:24:15.280
<v Speaker 1>kind of bowing to the humanity of Rob Reiner. And

1:24:15.320 --> 1:24:17.960
<v Speaker 1>this is part and parcel a big problem. And it

1:24:18.080 --> 1:24:20.720
<v Speaker 1>happens with Donald Trump all the time. The critics of

1:24:20.760 --> 1:24:25.240
<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump, they dehumanize him. And now I see the

1:24:25.280 --> 1:24:29.040
<v Speaker 1>President doing the same thing to a political foe, simply

1:24:29.080 --> 1:24:32.280
<v Speaker 1>because he was an outspoken critic of the president. And

1:24:32.439 --> 1:24:35.840
<v Speaker 1>I found it distasteful and I don't go along with

1:24:35.880 --> 1:24:40.920
<v Speaker 1>that President Trump. I still support him, but those comments

1:24:41.000 --> 1:24:47.320
<v Speaker 1>were just even out of Trump. I was surprised.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, look, I would agree with you.

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<v Speaker 15>I mean, he could have very easily said I was

1:24:53.160 --> 1:24:56.400
<v Speaker 15>never a fan of Rob Ryner. This was a tragic incident.

1:24:56.520 --> 1:24:59.479
<v Speaker 15>May Rob and Michelle rest in peace, and that would

1:24:59.479 --> 1:25:03.920
<v Speaker 15>have been at Instead, he talked about what he's done

1:25:04.040 --> 1:25:07.400
<v Speaker 15>in the Trump Arrangement syndrome and all the other stuff, which,

1:25:07.439 --> 1:25:10.080
<v Speaker 15>by the way, and I've been reporting on this, and

1:25:10.120 --> 1:25:13.800
<v Speaker 15>I've been on other shows where I've said, this only

1:25:13.920 --> 1:25:18.840
<v Speaker 15>hurts Republicans in next November's election. There was a poll

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<v Speaker 15>came out yesterday. I forget the sponsor of the poll,

1:25:25.320 --> 1:25:29.800
<v Speaker 15>but it basically is saying that fifty three percent of

1:25:29.840 --> 1:25:35.439
<v Speaker 15>those that voted in last November's election, will will be

1:25:35.560 --> 1:25:39.519
<v Speaker 15>voting for a Democrat in this next November's election fifty

1:25:39.560 --> 1:25:42.759
<v Speaker 15>three percent and only forty three percent will be voting

1:25:43.080 --> 1:25:44.120
<v Speaker 15>for a Republican.

1:25:44.880 --> 1:25:47.920
<v Speaker 2>And that right there is where.

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<v Speaker 15>These comments hurt. They're going to hurt Republicans because, as

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<v Speaker 15>I continue to say, it's not about the Republicans. Republicans

1:25:55.960 --> 1:25:59.160
<v Speaker 15>will vote for Republicans, Democrats will vote for Democrats. But

1:25:59.200 --> 1:26:03.759
<v Speaker 15>we have this large sector of independence. And the approval

1:26:03.840 --> 1:26:06.680
<v Speaker 15>rating in those polls for President Trump was as high

1:26:06.720 --> 1:26:10.640
<v Speaker 15>as seventy percent last December November, and today it's at

1:26:10.720 --> 1:26:15.360
<v Speaker 15>thirty percent. So he's losing a major chunk of supporters

1:26:15.880 --> 1:26:19.640
<v Speaker 15>which are going to tie him to Republicans, just like

1:26:19.680 --> 1:26:22.519
<v Speaker 15>it happened in twenty eighteen. And a lot of people

1:26:23.000 --> 1:26:25.640
<v Speaker 15>probably have forgotten about what happened in twenty eighteen. But

1:26:25.720 --> 1:26:27.840
<v Speaker 15>we lost the House, we lost the Senate, we lost

1:26:28.320 --> 1:26:33.040
<v Speaker 15>races all across the country because people were not happy

1:26:33.080 --> 1:26:37.400
<v Speaker 15>with Donald Trump, and they punished Republicans. So this comment

1:26:37.960 --> 1:26:41.439
<v Speaker 15>just as another punishment to Republicans who have to run

1:26:41.479 --> 1:26:43.000
<v Speaker 15>again in less than a year.

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<v Speaker 2>Jim or Nacy, thank you for your time.

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<v Speaker 1>Again back at you on a Merry Christmas, and because

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<v Speaker 1>we're coming right up on it, we're less than well

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<v Speaker 1>like a week and a half away, and I just

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<v Speaker 1>hope that you have a fantastic time with family and friends,

1:27:00.080 --> 1:27:01.719
<v Speaker 1>enjoy the holiday season.

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<v Speaker 15>Wish are you and your listeners of merry Christmas and

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<v Speaker 15>are very prosperous New Year as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Jim Ornacy with us on the night Cap for a

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<v Speaker 1>few minutes. Dave Hatter in to roll up the tarp

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<v Speaker 1>with me and close things out next.

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<v Speaker 1>As we've prepared to drive out of the garage and

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<v Speaker 1>go home on this Tuesday night, my friend Dave Hatter,

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<v Speaker 1>the Mad Hatter, my tech guy from Intrust. It is

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<v Speaker 1>with us to talk about, well, the sounds of the

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<v Speaker 1>season maybe coming from an AI toy, and you may

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<v Speaker 1>not want your child to be subjected to those sounds.

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<v Speaker 1>First and foremost, Dave just informed me that slop slop,

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<v Speaker 1>slop is Merriam Webster's word of the Year for twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five. And we're not talking about the evening slop

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<v Speaker 1>John John Cougar Mellencamp talked about. We're talking about AI

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<v Speaker 1>slop and the state of the Internet. So Dave tell

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<v Speaker 1>me about slop.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, I think this is pretty interesting and as always,

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<v Speaker 10>thanks for having me on Garytank. When Mariam Webster takes

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<v Speaker 10>a word every year, the twenty five word of the

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<v Speaker 10>year of slop as it pertains to AI slop. And

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<v Speaker 10>here's here's one subhead from a recent arc line quote

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<v Speaker 10>AI slop unquote succinct definition of the current state of

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<v Speaker 10>the Internet. And really they picked this ideally because you're

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<v Speaker 10>now seeing so much AI flop, all of this ridiculous

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<v Speaker 10>AI content that's being created, which then leads into AI

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<v Speaker 10>models and you know, one of the things people have

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<v Speaker 10>been worried about for some time, although you rarely hear

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<v Speaker 10>about this except for people who are not necessarily on

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<v Speaker 10>the utopian AI future where we're all just going to

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<v Speaker 10>be laying around and doing nothing and the machines do everything.

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<v Speaker 10>Is this idea that large language model based AI tools

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<v Speaker 10>think chat, gptgmini, et cetera. There's a concept called model collapse,

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<v Speaker 10>and it's the idea of that. Okay, this AI generates something,

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<v Speaker 10>another AI reads it, ingests it, and as they feed

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<v Speaker 10>off of each other, the quality just continues to go down.

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<v Speaker 10>Hence the idea of slop and this idea that you know,

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<v Speaker 10>there's just so much stuff means videos, et cetera being

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<v Speaker 10>created by this and filling the Internet. So I thought

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<v Speaker 10>it was interesting that they picked this as their word

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<v Speaker 10>of the year.

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<v Speaker 1>It's wild and there's more and there's more slop to come.

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<v Speaker 2>Sadly, there is AI toys.

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<v Speaker 1>You and I've kind of delved into this and the

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<v Speaker 1>dangers and uh some of the the real Uh they're

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<v Speaker 1>not putting any checks on some of this stuff that's

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<v Speaker 1>going out. It's going to be in the hands of children,

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<v Speaker 1>small children, the Teddy Bear talking dirty and fetishes and

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<v Speaker 1>all that we've got an update.

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<v Speaker 4>We've got more of this, right, it's really pretty crazy.

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<v Speaker 10>Carry Jeff, you know, internet connected toys, the Internet of things.

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<v Speaker 10>You and I talk about the Internet of Things and

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<v Speaker 10>my disdain for it because most of these so called

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<v Speaker 10>smart devices are privacy and security dumpster fires. And when

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<v Speaker 10>you look at internet connected toys, which have been around

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<v Speaker 10>for a while, many of them fall right into that

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<v Speaker 10>privacy and security dumpster fire bucket. Now you're coupling the

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<v Speaker 10>ability to connect to the internet, potential cameras, microphones, et cetera,

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<v Speaker 10>with you know, AI interaction, and it's pretty disturbing. So

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<v Speaker 10>in a report from NBC News, here's the headline, AI

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<v Speaker 10>toys for kids talk about sex and issue Chinese Communist

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<v Speaker 10>Party talking points, test show new research from Public Interest

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<v Speaker 10>Research Group and test conducted by NBC News on a

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<v Speaker 10>wide range of AI toys. They have loose card rails. Now,

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<v Speaker 10>this is a very long article and I encourage all

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<v Speaker 10>of your listeners, and I've already shared it on my

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<v Speaker 10>social media. I'll share it again after this interview. I

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<v Speaker 10>encourage people who have kids or grandkids to go out

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<v Speaker 10>and read this for themselves. Again, it's very long. It

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<v Speaker 10>gets into a bunch of things, and the further you

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<v Speaker 10>get into it, the more disturbing it gets. So again,

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<v Speaker 10>quoting directly from the articles, this isn't my opinion, okay,

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<v Speaker 10>pi rg's new research will these thurs. They identify several

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<v Speaker 10>toys that share inappropriate, dangerous and explicit information with users

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<v Speaker 10>and raises fresh concerns about privacy and attachment issues with

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<v Speaker 10>the aipowered toys. You know, some of these things look

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<v Speaker 10>like stuffed animals, They look like all kinds of friendly things.

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<v Speaker 10>And again, I know we don't have a ton of

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<v Speaker 10>time here, so I just want to hit some of

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<v Speaker 10>the high points of the toys. Gave dangerous tips about

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<v Speaker 10>items around the house. Miliu, a plus toy with high

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<v Speaker 10>pitched child's voice advertised for children three in order, gave

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<v Speaker 10>detailed instructions on have a light of match and sharpen

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<v Speaker 10>a knife. Scrolling down a little further, asked why Chinese

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<v Speaker 10>President Jijingping looks like the cartoon we need a poo,

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<v Speaker 10>a comparison that has become an Internet meme because it's

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<v Speaker 10>sensored in China. Malu responded that quote your statement is

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<v Speaker 10>extremely inappropriate and disrespectful. Such malicious remarks are unacceptable, and

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<v Speaker 10>then asked whether Taiwan is a country or not, it

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<v Speaker 10>would repeatedly lower its voice and insist that quote, Taiwan

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<v Speaker 10>is an analienable part of China, that is an established

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<v Speaker 10>fact or some variation of that centem. But it gets worse, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 10>it gets worse. Okay, as you read further into this,

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<v Speaker 10>they keep delving down different paths, and they've got all

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<v Speaker 10>kinds of experts warning about this and so forth. They

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<v Speaker 10>say the AI toy market is booming, face little regulatory scrutiny.

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<v Speaker 10>MIT Technology Review reported that China has now more than

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<v Speaker 10>fifteen hundred registered AI toy company. A search for AI

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<v Speaker 10>toys on Amazon yields over a thousand products, and more

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<v Speaker 10>than one hundred items appear in searches for toys. It

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<v Speaker 10>goes on to say in one pirs G demonstration to

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<v Speaker 10>NBC News, when it was engaged with the prolonged conversation

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<v Speaker 10>and was eventually asked about impact play, but this is

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<v Speaker 10>a different toy ALU, which kind of looks like a

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<v Speaker 10>cute little bunny impact play, which apparently means one partner

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<v Speaker 10>strikes another. The bunny listed a variety of tools used

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<v Speaker 10>in BDSM and again it gets crazier. Quote, here are

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<v Speaker 10>some commonly used tools that people might choose for impact play.

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<v Speaker 10>One leather flogger, and then it goes on to explain

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<v Speaker 10>what that is. Yeah, this is again toys marketed towards

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<v Speaker 10>your kids. And then on top of all of this,

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<v Speaker 10>since I know we're about on time, imagine your kid

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<v Speaker 10>is talking to this thing. It has a camera, it's

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<v Speaker 10>potentially being facial recognition, it's potentially recording all the conversations

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<v Speaker 10>your kid has with it, your kid has with other kids,

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<v Speaker 10>you have with your kids.

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<v Speaker 4>Where does that go?

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<v Speaker 10>Who has access to it? Who knows they talk about you?

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<v Speaker 10>Some of this further than the article. Again, I really

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<v Speaker 10>can't stress enough. People should read this article for themselves,

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<v Speaker 10>and I think they'll come to the camp same conclusion

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<v Speaker 10>that I have that there is absolutely no way I

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<v Speaker 10>would allow my children or grandchildren to.

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<v Speaker 4>Be exposed to something like this.

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<v Speaker 10>At this point, it's completely disturbing and downright crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Why would you need a plush toy that's connected to

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet in the first place?

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<v Speaker 10>Dave good question, Gary Jeff good question. And you know

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<v Speaker 10>they talk about it in here. How one of these

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<v Speaker 10>things has like an incentivizing model where you get quote

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<v Speaker 10>gems unquote the more you use it, because of course

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<v Speaker 10>they want to keep the using they want to keep

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<v Speaker 10>you on it, they want to collect as much information

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<v Speaker 10>as possible about your kids. It's just completely again, people

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<v Speaker 10>should read this in detail for themselves. Read the headline

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<v Speaker 10>one more time and again I'll post this on my

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<v Speaker 10>LinkedIn Facebook and x speeds Ai toys for talk about

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<v Speaker 10>sex and issue Chinese Communist Party talking Points test show.

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<v Speaker 10>And this was from NBC News a few days ago,

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<v Speaker 10>December eleventh.

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<v Speaker 1>Amazingly, amazingly frightening, which I mean I'm not surprised by

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<v Speaker 1>because we're having a conversation. Usually when you and I

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<v Speaker 1>have a conversation, i'm frightened and amazed. So you haven't

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<v Speaker 1>you haven't disappointed me this time, Dave. I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, I'm happy to be able to produce scary Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe maybe we'll have a chance to talk one more

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<v Speaker 1>time before Christmas, I hope. So have a wonderful rest

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<v Speaker 1>of the week. Merry Christmas to you if I don't

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<v Speaker 1>get a chance, and thanks brother, I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, my pleasure.

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<v Speaker 10>Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and Kristin

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<v Speaker 10>and all your listeners and look forward to chat with

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<v Speaker 10>you against you.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Dave.

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<v Speaker 1>Dave had her with us as we close out this

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<v Speaker 1>night cap and play the national anthem, our Star Spangled Banner,

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<v Speaker 1>the country's only national anthem

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<v Speaker 2>Or America, and here it is on seven hunderd W

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