Speaker 1: Stepping in and a guy who's on the phone, as
Speaker 1: you can hear, chomping at the bitch to get to
Speaker 1: whatever it is we're going to talk about. You know,
Speaker 1: a lot of times he is at the back end
Speaker 1: of the show, and if you're on the back end,
Speaker 1: the view always looks the same. But if you're on
Speaker 1: the front end, you're the first, it means that you
Speaker 1: have a level of importance that is unparalleled in the
Speaker 1: rest of the three hours. When you are the first guest,
Speaker 1: you are the setting the table for the rest of
Speaker 1: the show. And how this interview goes will dictate how
Speaker 1: great this show is or maybe not. Well, we're about
Speaker 1: to find out. So this is not a test, Ladies
Speaker 1: and gentlemen, This is Andy Furman with Gary Jeff on
Speaker 1: the Nightcap.
Speaker 2: Welcome sir.
Speaker 3: First of all, get your lips off my dery air. Okay,
Speaker 3: of course, it doesn't work that way. It's like a crescendo.
Speaker 3: It's like the worst guest is first, and it gets
Speaker 3: better if it goes on. Get it okay, But I'm
Speaker 3: glad to do it. I get it over with. That's
Speaker 3: the way I feel right now. The way you introduce me,
Speaker 3: don't don't. Don't put it in a pecking order. I
Speaker 3: just happen to be on and I'm on now, all right.
Speaker 3: I mean a happy happy Holidays to you, Merry Christmas
Speaker 3: to you, Happy happy birthday.
Speaker 4: Today's my birthday too.
Speaker 2: Happy birthday. Mine is next Monday.
Speaker 3: I know it is. And I say, I'm going to
Speaker 3: be there with you.
Speaker 1: I want you to be there. I want to just
Speaker 1: celebrate together with the with the music professor.
Speaker 2: And I love it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you can tell, you can tell Seg how
Speaker 1: much you love him, because this.
Speaker 4: Is I do love Seg, I really do.
Speaker 1: This is the this is the time of year for
Speaker 1: Sega clause. Do you think that Joe Burrow is just
Speaker 1: happy to get the season over?
Speaker 3: Uh? You know, I'm not going to be like every
Speaker 3: other media person in this town psychoanalyzing Joe Burrow. It's
Speaker 3: not my job. Okay, it's not their job either.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: Their job is to see him play football. And he
Speaker 3: didn't play well on Sunday, and he admitted that let
Speaker 3: it go, you know, and now in a speculation, he's
Speaker 3: not gonna play yet, he's gonna leave you. You know what,
Speaker 3: I get it. It's good take, it's good clicks. That's
Speaker 3: what it is. We live in a society of clicks.
Speaker 3: People live on that media. People love that. They don't
Speaker 3: have to be correct. They just want people clicking on
Speaker 3: their site, on their social media platform.
Speaker 4: That's all it is.
Speaker 3: I refuse to do that. I will not do that,
Speaker 3: you know. And it's not a question of my being
Speaker 3: right anymore. It's a question of being first. That's what
Speaker 3: people want, you know that, And I want that, and
Speaker 3: I've seen it, and I've seen it happen. I think
Speaker 3: it's disgusting, you know, I'm hearing sports took people behind
Speaker 3: the microphone with no sense or responsibility saying Joe Burrow
Speaker 3: has bigger problems than football. I wonder what it could be.
Speaker 3: It's not football related? And will he leave here? He
Speaker 3: doesn't like it here is Look, you're the same people
Speaker 3: that were pounding saying that Joe Burrow tells the organization
Speaker 3: what to do. Well, you know what, maybe it was
Speaker 3: a good thing that Joe Burrow had a piss poor
Speaker 3: game on Sunday because now he doesn't have to tell
Speaker 3: the organization what to do. He needs to go back
Speaker 3: to the drawing board and do it himself. Okay, I'm
Speaker 3: kind of happy in a way that he proved that
Speaker 3: he's not Superman with the Cape, He's no longer.
Speaker 5: He's a great quarterback.
Speaker 3: He may very well be the best quarterback on Bengal history.
Speaker 3: But he's normal like everybody else.
Speaker 1: No, Josh Allen's Superman. You can't have two the same
Speaker 1: superhero in one league.
Speaker 2: I mean you're gonna have.
Speaker 3: You may be right about that and what he did,
Speaker 3: and this New England on Sunday may very well be Superman.
Speaker 2: Maybe Joe Burrow as Batman. Maybe Joe Burrows.
Speaker 3: And maybe I'm robbin. I don't know, but I will
Speaker 3: tell you this much. I'm happy about one thing you
Speaker 3: can talk about, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow. I like old
Speaker 3: guys because I'm an old guy right now, and people
Speaker 3: love old guys making young guys look silly. And Phil
Speaker 3: Rivers came back there. Philip Rivers at forty four our grandpa. Okay,
Speaker 3: he doesn't play his twenty twenty, hasn't played in five years,
Speaker 3: forty four years of age, playing for the Indianapolis Coat
Speaker 3: look good. Coach's loss on a heartbreak with the field goal.
Speaker 3: But he's going to play Monday night against the forty nine,
Speaker 3: it's got to be musty TV.
Speaker 5: And here's a.
Speaker 3: Quarterback who once played an AFC championship game, get this
Speaker 3: one week after he tore an anterior cruciate ligament. And honestly,
Speaker 3: that just shows you the toughness, the toughness and the
Speaker 3: pride that he has. You know why I say that
Speaker 3: this guy's on the cusp of the Hall of Fame
Speaker 3: in Canton, Ohio, and now that he's played, he's gonna
Speaker 3: years to get get nominated, to get back in again.
Speaker 3: You love them? Do you have people gonna deny that
Speaker 3: to me? But see, I want to hear your take
Speaker 3: on Philip Rivers.
Speaker 1: Well, do you think that he is Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: worthy before this?
Speaker 5: No doubt, come back, no doubt.
Speaker 3: I got the stats for him, I really do. And
Speaker 3: I wish I had a vote for the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3: I have a vote for the Heisman, but I don't
Speaker 3: have the vote for the Hall of Fame. And I'll
Speaker 3: tell you why. Eli Maning on two Super Bowls and
Speaker 3: normally right now, that's a ticket for the Hall of
Speaker 3: Fame and the name Manning is going to get him
Speaker 3: in there. Right The Philip Rivers through forget this, four
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty one touchdowns, which is sixth on the
Speaker 3: old time list. Okay, he threw for sixty three thousand
Speaker 3: fortune and forty yards with is seventh on the.
Speaker 4: Old time list.
Speaker 3: Don't she had twenty nine fourth Well, go ahead.
Speaker 2: No, I said, no kidding, I didn't know.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he delivered twenty nine fourth quarter and that's
Speaker 3: more than Joe Montana.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 3: He finished as one of two quarterbacks in the NFL history.
Speaker 3: Right far was the other one to start these two
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty consecutive games, including the postseason and including
Speaker 3: the AFC title game at New England in January of
Speaker 3: two thousand and eight when he played one on one
Speaker 3: leg against the unbeaten New England Patriots. Played on one
Speaker 3: leg that game. This guy's a warrior. I love the guy,
Speaker 3: I really do. And since twenty twenty, where he retired,
Speaker 3: he's been coaching at Saint Michael Catholic High School in Fairhope,
Speaker 3: Alabama with one of his ten children, and one of
Speaker 3: them is Gunner, who happens to be a big time
Speaker 3: college prospect. To get this, what position? Quarterback? Of course?
Speaker 1: Well, no, I'd say that's gold jacket worthy, the stats
Speaker 1: and the place in NFL history. Sure, but now, as
Speaker 1: you mentioned, he's gonna have to wait another five years.
Speaker 1: They got to have a waiver rule for stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But you know, there are plenty of examples of old guys.
Speaker 1: I'm the same way. If there's a guy who was,
Speaker 1: you know, getting on in years and supposedly passed his prime,
Speaker 1: I'm all always rooting for I'm all in for him
Speaker 1: every time. But then I think to myself, and my
Speaker 1: wife reminds me, yet you call him the old guy.
Speaker 1: He's forty four, You're gonna be sixty five. So I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm just trying to live as an older guy
Speaker 1: through vicariously through these old guys who supposedly can't do
Speaker 1: it anymore. And there are plenty of examples through history.
Speaker 5: As I got.
Speaker 3: Him, I got you. I'm glad you mentioned I got
Speaker 3: him for you. You know I love the old guys
Speaker 3: and that come back. George Foreman reclaimed the heavyweight championship
Speaker 3: at the age of forty five. Remember that Jack Nicholas
Speaker 3: won his sixth and last Master's title at forty six.
Speaker 3: Tom Brady won his seventh and final Super Bowl at
Speaker 3: forty three.
Speaker 4: Get this one.
Speaker 3: This ute Cody Howe from the Detroit Red Wings scored
Speaker 3: fifteen goals and passed the twenty six at sists in
Speaker 3: an NHL season that he fin is at the age
Speaker 3: of Are you ready for this? Fifty two?
Speaker 6: How do you?
Speaker 3: Watson?
Speaker 2: How do you play hockey?
Speaker 5: At fifty two?
Speaker 3: Tom wats play hockey at twelve?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: Tom Watson was one put away from winning the British
Speaker 3: Open at his ninth major when he was fifty nine.
Speaker 3: All right, so old guys can do what they want
Speaker 3: to do. I think there's a lot to do in
Speaker 3: your chest, in your heart, more than athletic skill. I
Speaker 3: really do. You gotta want to do it. Philip Rivers
Speaker 3: wants to do it. I love that he's doing this.
Speaker 3: I really do.
Speaker 1: Well, you got to have it in your heart and
Speaker 1: your tika, as they say, but you GOLs, You've got
Speaker 1: to have the talent in the first place. And the
Speaker 1: fact that all that talent hasn't run out of the
Speaker 1: hourglass yet for somebody like Philip Rivers, I think it's wonderful.
Speaker 1: I mean, Joe Flaccoy played pretty well for the Bengals
Speaker 1: at forty two, and there's another old guy that shined
Speaker 1: last night in another Pittsburgh Steelers victory in Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I agree, yeah, And I don't think the
Speaker 3: general public or at least the media don't understand. You know,
Speaker 3: the skill set is one thing. I remember when Joe
Speaker 3: Flackhall came back to the Cleveland Browns, they just called him.
Speaker 3: He was on the couch. I mean, the guy has
Speaker 3: never picked up a football to come and give me
Speaker 3: a phone call and do it and play and play respectively.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't It's an amazing thing. I mean,
Speaker 3: Philip Rivers was not playing, and it's one thing to
Speaker 3: be forty four and like, you know, you got from
Speaker 3: one team A to team B and you're still playing.
Speaker 3: You're going to practice. You know a place he came
Speaker 3: from nowhere. You know, he was at his house with
Speaker 3: his kids, coaching high school football and they say, hey,
Speaker 3: you want to play. You know, we need you. I mean,
Speaker 3: that to me is amazing. It's amazing that even thought
Speaker 3: of him, and he thought of me coming back. Yes,
Speaker 3: that to me is an amazing situation.
Speaker 4: It really is.
Speaker 2: It's that time of years. It's almost like a Hallmark movie.
Speaker 5: Andy, Oh, don't go to that.
Speaker 4: Come on, really, you know, stuck, don't get mushy on me. Really,
Speaker 4: come on.
Speaker 3: But it's still in all. I mean, the Joe Borrow situation.
Speaker 3: It just it bothers me that everybody is cycle analyzing
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow.
Speaker 4: Leave him alone.
Speaker 3: You know, there's a reason why. Can I tell you why?
Speaker 3: I hope the media in this town is listening. There's
Speaker 3: a reason why Joe Burrow does not to get this.
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow does not do one on ones with the
Speaker 3: local media. He does one on one with the national media.
Speaker 3: And maybe the NFL kind of requires that to some extent.
Speaker 3: I did some pr work when I was with the
Speaker 3: Dolphins and the fourth Loodoville Strikers. They kind of lean
Speaker 3: on you a little bit because they're paying the freight.
Speaker 3: Like the Foxes of the world, you know, the CPS's
Speaker 3: of the world. They wanted to do the one on
Speaker 3: ones and they'll do them. But he won't do anyone
Speaker 3: on ones locally, you know, the one on one people
Speaker 3: here in town. They just back off a little bit.
Speaker 3: There are bigger fish to fry. There are bigger stories
Speaker 3: out there. You know, if you're really concerned with Joe
Speaker 3: Burrow and the problems that maybe not football related. Do
Speaker 3: some homework, get off your rear end and find out.
Speaker 3: You know what I was My first thought was, and
Speaker 3: I hate to even bring this up, but I can
Speaker 3: tell you because you don't like my coffee down. When
Speaker 3: he said the problems and they said, well, Joe, are
Speaker 3: they football related or others? A little bit of each.
Speaker 3: I pray to God. I pray to God that there's
Speaker 3: no problem health wise with his parents. Think about that, really, parents,
Speaker 3: Because he's twenty nine. His parent's got to be close
Speaker 3: to sixty, right, Hope everything's okay at home. That's going
Speaker 3: to be wearing on you.
Speaker 1: Two of it is maybe Andy the losing paired with uh,
Speaker 1: the realization that, to me, Joe Burrow is one of
Speaker 1: those guys and you almost have to be to get
Speaker 1: to the place that he's gotten to. To be so
Speaker 1: proficient and so good, Football has been everything to Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1: I'm just guessing since he was a very young child
Speaker 1: and he's been in all kinds of situations where he
Speaker 1: won playing this game that has defined him. Maybe as
Speaker 1: he approaches thirty, Joe Burrow is realizing what we all
Speaker 1: realize at a certain point that what we do does
Speaker 1: not necessarily define all of who we are. And maybe
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow is starting to figure out that football's not
Speaker 1: the only thing in life and there are more things that.
Speaker 5: Can be important.
Speaker 3: Now you like everybody else, now, your psychoanalytic, No, football
Speaker 3: is the only thing in his life right now, and
Speaker 3: that's why he's upset because it's the only His life
Speaker 3: revolves around football. The way he has, the way he
Speaker 3: trains for it, the way he plays it. He's got
Speaker 3: his cook you know, the way he gets up in
Speaker 3: the morning for practice. It is his life. And why
Speaker 3: he's upset is because his life is going down the
Speaker 3: cropper because of the teammates he plays with. That's why,
Speaker 3: all right, And he's realizing that now And basically he
Speaker 3: could summon up with one more because he's seen it.
Speaker 3: He had before time and again he's been bengalized. Want
Speaker 3: to get up every day and every Sunday, put that
Speaker 3: uniform on, knowing that you don't really have a fighting
Speaker 3: chance to win. It's embarrassing that they didn't score a
Speaker 3: point against the Baltimore Ravens, a team that they beat
Speaker 3: two weeks ago on Thanksgiving Eve.
Speaker 4: What I'm embarrassing.
Speaker 1: What I'm wondering is is the entire Cincinnati sports environment bengalized?
Speaker 1: I mean, has this contagion? Is it like an outbreaking
Speaker 1: epidemic that has spread from the Cincinnati Bengals to Cincinnati Reds,
Speaker 1: to the UC Bearcats to the Cyclones.
Speaker 2: I mean, is the whole town bengalized? Andy?
Speaker 7: You know what, I think there's more of a of
Speaker 7: an emotional hate, and I hate to use the term hate,
Speaker 7: an emotional hate towards the Bengals than other teams when
Speaker 7: they lose.
Speaker 3: Obviously, the town has split collegiately, I guess because Xavier
Speaker 3: and you see. So I don't think there's a big
Speaker 3: pushback on you see when they don't do when they
Speaker 3: do poorly. So if the Reds a concerned, I don't
Speaker 3: think there's that much emotion as Reds fans, and I
Speaker 3: think people got the Reds games not with that rooting
Speaker 3: when they go home after the game, they did down
Speaker 3: to down this the depression as they do in the
Speaker 3: Bengals game. Because the season is so long. I think
Speaker 3: baseball is one of those games that you go out
Speaker 3: there just to enjoy the sunlight. You go out there
Speaker 3: in the summertime. I have a couple of bruces skis
Speaker 3: and sit out there and enjoy the game, and you
Speaker 3: go home. It's entertainment more than a battle, if you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. He ain't playing April, you're also
Speaker 3: playing again in October. I mean, come on, it's a
Speaker 3: long stretch. But football is only seventeen games?
Speaker 5: Is eight or nine at home?
Speaker 3: Every game means so much, and they've seen so much
Speaker 3: disappointment and they expect so much. That's the thing they
Speaker 3: expected so much with Joe Burrow. These people in this
Speaker 3: city have to take a step back and take the
Speaker 3: brother and say, hey, we're so Joe. He's normal, he's human.
Speaker 3: He kind of a bad game. They've just tool when
Speaker 3: they went to the super Bowl in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 3: that's going to be a yearly thing. It doesn't work
Speaker 3: that way. Look at the Detroit Lions. Did they've hit
Speaker 3: the Skins? Look at your Kansas City cheese.
Speaker 8: It's over.
Speaker 1: Oh oh Andy, I'm glad you brought up the Chiefs
Speaker 1: because I just want to get this out of my
Speaker 1: as system once and for all. I am so thrilled
Speaker 1: to have been a Chiefs fan for the last seven years.
Speaker 1: And rooting the Super Bowls.
Speaker 5: You're going to stop ruining it.
Speaker 6: No, no, no.
Speaker 1: No, I'm just saying that that ride, that ride I'm
Speaker 1: realizing is over, and I'm I'm happy with that. I
Speaker 1: can rest on the laurels of those Super Bowls and
Speaker 1: all those AFC championships now because we got him in
Speaker 1: the bank. But I think that the window is closed
Speaker 1: for these Kansas City Chiefs. Maybe not for Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1: He's such a dynamic player. Maybe they will be able
Speaker 1: to revitalize their running game next year. You know, Andy
Speaker 1: Reid's going to be back. He's an excellent coach, but
Speaker 1: you know, you kind of feel like the window of
Speaker 1: opportunity is closing and almost and you almost feel like
Speaker 1: that for Joe Burrow and the Bengals.
Speaker 4: He's twenty nine years of age. He's going to be
Speaker 4: in the next day.
Speaker 3: Marino man, Marino wants to want Super Bowl and that
Speaker 3: basically was it. But you got to say Dan Marino
Speaker 3: basically was the godfather of the poet pass. He throw
Speaker 3: for five thousand yards and after that, the basic game
Speaker 3: was dominant in the National Football League. But I'll tell
Speaker 3: you this much, I think that the biggest key in
Speaker 3: all of sports is choosing the right people, not so
Speaker 3: much the personnel and the players, And that's important. I
Speaker 3: think the leaders. And what I mean by that, I
Speaker 3: mean like the Bengals, you know, the hired of guy
Speaker 3: and Zach Tail and again we've gone down this row.
Speaker 3: There's a good guy, he's a good father, he's just
Speaker 3: a nice man. But he's not a head coach. I mean,
Speaker 3: he looks like a deer in the headlights on the
Speaker 3: sidelines right now. He looks like he doesn't know what
Speaker 3: he's doing. I mean, it's embarrassing. He's learning on the job.
Speaker 3: And I think you have to make the right pick.
Speaker 3: And if I was, if I was general manager or
Speaker 3: in a position to hire a coach at you at
Speaker 3: the Bengals, I would go after Kurt Signetti, the coach
Speaker 3: at Indiana. So what he did and I saw in
Speaker 3: the Heisman Trophy the show on Saturday night, they interviewed
Speaker 3: him and they showed tape when he was hired in Indiana.
Speaker 3: You know what he said, He said, what do you
Speaker 3: expect here?
Speaker 4: And the media was asking him.
Speaker 3: He said, you know, I expect I expect to win.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I expect to win.
Speaker 3: That's the same thing Bob Hawkins said when he came
Speaker 3: here and they scoffed him. They left it him at
Speaker 3: his first year. They made the nip the first year
Speaker 3: after five and twenty season with Tony eight, he rested.
Speaker 3: They went to then and you.
Speaker 1: Never got this out is Zach Taylor when the Bengals
Speaker 1: hired him. But when Kurt Signetti got hired, he went
Speaker 1: out under the basketball floor at IU before a Hoosiers game.
Speaker 1: He said, produce, so produce sucks and and he was right.
Speaker 3: I mean, do you want a guy like that to
Speaker 3: to wake up to? And they asked why he did that.
Speaker 3: He says, I want to see if the fans were
Speaker 3: dormant or not. He the guy's a mastermind. It's all
Speaker 3: about psychology. Every coach knows exerson O's But it's how
Speaker 3: you translate that, how you sell it, how you sell
Speaker 3: it to your team, how they respond to you. That's
Speaker 3: the I just responded to.
Speaker 1: I just found it ironic that on the sideline on Sunday,
Speaker 1: and I brought this up earlier, Zach, Zach Taylor's wearing
Speaker 1: a sweatshirt that says inspire change. I said, well, you
Speaker 1: certainly do inspire change.
Speaker 3: Since that you wearing that shirt, maybe to the unemployment.
Speaker 3: So I hate to say that. I hate to say.
Speaker 3: I look, I've been down that road.
Speaker 2: You've been too.
Speaker 3: When you work in radio, you're going to get canned.
Speaker 5: That's the name what happens.
Speaker 3: And it's not a pleasant thing. And I don't want
Speaker 3: to use the power of a microphone to say a
Speaker 3: guy should be fired. All right, I'm just saying he
Speaker 3: should be evaluated, all right, keep them keeping with them.
Speaker 3: I mean, you're not going to keep him on if
Speaker 3: he's not the head coach, that's for sure. You're not
Speaker 3: going to give them a silliary position, which is embarrassing.
Speaker 3: But honestly, if you don't do the job, I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. If you didn't do the job at seven hundred,
Speaker 3: you be gone. You're doing the job right, you've been
Speaker 3: Saturday morning. Got almost thirty years, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Coming up on twenty nine. That's that's for sure. So
Speaker 2: you may thirty. Your birthday is today, Happy.
Speaker 4: Birthday, Yes it is, Thank you very much.
Speaker 1: What's wonderful? What are you doing? What did you do
Speaker 1: on your special day? Andy?
Speaker 3: Well, honestly, I was supposed to get an MRI, but
Speaker 3: obviously I found out this morning. I got a phone
Speaker 3: call from the insurance people that my hospital in question
Speaker 3: is not in the network. Very nice, why do you
Speaker 3: tell me that? So it's canceled and I got a reschedule,
Speaker 3: like I said, a different hospital. So my birthday present
Speaker 3: of an MRI will not happen.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, maybe you can get it on the
Speaker 1: cheap somewhere. I mean, I'm sure there are guys that
Speaker 1: do MRIs in like vans and trucks that roll around town.
Speaker 2: You can just get it, I would.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe I'll do that.
Speaker 4: I don't know, And you have a telescoop you could
Speaker 4: look for me.
Speaker 1: I don't know. And maybe maybe you can buy some
Speaker 1: frozen meat while you're at it out of.
Speaker 2: The back of the truck.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I tell you what this insurance thing is driving me nuts.
Speaker 3: I know nothing about it, but I just assumed that
Speaker 3: you know what they say about being assuming. But I
Speaker 3: had to get two cat skins and I had no
Speaker 3: problem whatsoever at the same hospital, and the insurance covered
Speaker 3: like about eighty percent of it, whatever it may be. Now,
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, they're not covering this. I don't
Speaker 3: get it.
Speaker 4: I don't understand this.
Speaker 2: But to get worse is only going to get worse.
Speaker 2: Believe believe you me, you know, and I don't know
Speaker 2: if you know this.
Speaker 3: My wife's not a citizen. My wife's Canadian, okay, and
Speaker 3: all our relatives live in Canada. Yeah, and they get
Speaker 3: everything's free. Everything's very intent. I'm thinking of getting a
Speaker 3: dual citizenship to move it to Canada.
Speaker 4: I really am.
Speaker 1: Well, every everything's free, but you've got to wait like
Speaker 1: six months.
Speaker 3: So what I'm waiting now? I'm waiting? Now what's the difference?
Speaker 2: All right, fur ball?
Speaker 1: Good luck on your hamm And by the way, if
Speaker 1: anybody's listening and they do MRIs on the cheap out
Speaker 1: of a van.
Speaker 3: Did you have an MRI machine down your basement. I'll
Speaker 3: come down there for fall.
Speaker 2: Take care, brother.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show, Todd. How are you this evening?
Speaker 1: I'm doing great. Thanks for having me again, Gary. Oh
Speaker 1: you bet anytime. I mean, I have returned guests back
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Speaker 1: so much of talk radio is just is just conjecture
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Speaker 1: who knows, we may engage in a little bit of
Speaker 1: that too, But in fact, you had peace today. Reading
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Speaker 1: going as we approach a new year, a midterm year,
Speaker 1: the first midterm of President Trump's second term. We know
Speaker 1: what happened the first time around. Where do you see
Speaker 1: it going with some of the special elections and like
Speaker 1: that we have seen now most of the evidence so
Speaker 1: far as far as those go, Todd has been that
Speaker 1: if it were a traditionally blue enclave, it's remaining blue.
Speaker 1: Are you getting that sense too, or is there some
Speaker 1: great to see change happening? And are the Democrats hitting
Speaker 1: their mark about making things affordable. Well, they don't seem
Speaker 1: to have a plan either outside of full out communism,
Speaker 1: like in New York. What are your tea leaves reading
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 9: Tod Yeah, I think the administration are the party. The
Speaker 9: Republican Party is going through a challenging period here. I think,
Speaker 9: like you said, it's important not to make too much
Speaker 9: of elections, you know, like mom Donnie in New York
Speaker 9: where he's running against another Democrat and that.
Speaker 5: Kind of thing.
Speaker 9: But I think given the overall picture, what I'm sensing
Speaker 9: is is that this is a little bit of a
Speaker 9: sticky point for the party.
Speaker 6: I think the biggest issue.
Speaker 9: Here comes down to the economy and affordability. Maybe I'd
Speaker 9: throw in a dose of immigration related issues as well.
Speaker 6: But I think, you know, from the economy's perspective, but
Speaker 6: we have to keep in is this is.
Speaker 9: Far and away the largest economy in the world. It's
Speaker 9: effectively the biggest ocean liner out there on the seas.
Speaker 9: And unfortunately, and not because of Trump, this.
Speaker 5: Is something that he inherited.
Speaker 9: You know, We've been sailing into and deeper into troubled
Speaker 9: waters for over two decades now almost three depending on
Speaker 9: where you want to count the starting point, and when
Speaker 9: you take that plus the magnitude of the changes that
Speaker 9: they are trying to push through to get this thing
Speaker 9: to course correct back into the brighter seas that we've
Speaker 9: seen in the past.
Speaker 6: It's going to take some time.
Speaker 9: And I think people probably generally understand that we've had
Speaker 9: a couple of good indicators. There were some really strong
Speaker 9: GDP numbers over the summer, but unfortunately those things haven't
Speaker 9: translated into jobs yet, and that's what people really want
Speaker 9: to see, you know.
Speaker 6: I think if they.
Speaker 9: Hear that the economy is growing and GDP is strong,
Speaker 9: but they're not seeing it in the job market.
Speaker 6: Then they still feel like, Okay.
Speaker 9: Well maybe things are getting better, but it's still not
Speaker 9: an economy that's working for me. So I think that's
Speaker 9: the biggest thing that the administration is dealing with, along
Speaker 9: with the affordability issues, which I also think.
Speaker 2: Are very real.
Speaker 10: Well.
Speaker 1: Scott Besant has said that he expects the first six
Speaker 1: months of twenty twenty six to be a real change
Speaker 1: in affordability and also inflation, and he cited the fact
Speaker 1: that there are a lot of illegal immigrants that were
Speaker 1: brought into this country with no vetting by the millions,
Speaker 1: by the tens of millions during the Joe Biden administration,
Speaker 1: and that brought rent up. It brought all kinds of
Speaker 1: issues introducing into the economy because there were simply these
Speaker 1: people flooding in, which was pushing the price of rent
Speaker 1: specifically up, which is the number one thing when you
Speaker 1: get to affordability. Yeah, groceries and gas, which I think
Speaker 1: the Trump administration has got.
Speaker 2: To handle on now.
Speaker 1: We just saw today the delayed jobs report numbers for November.
Speaker 1: They came in stronger than expected, with sixty four thousand
Speaker 1: jobs created, mostly in the private sector. Wages were up,
Speaker 1: and the unemployment ticked up to four point six percent.
Speaker 1: But we had a labor participation rate of almost sixty
Speaker 1: three percent, which is pretty strong. Would you agree with that?
Speaker 9: Yes, I do, And I share Scott Besson's optimism about
Speaker 9: the first half of next year. You know, I think,
Speaker 9: like we were just talking about, we saw a couple
Speaker 9: of good quarters of GDP growth, not translated into jobs yet,
Speaker 9: but still strong growth, which is the first step. And
Speaker 9: then the government shut down, clearly, you know, curtailed that trend.
Speaker 9: But there's every even to believe that heading into next year,
Speaker 9: we could be looking at very strong numbers. I think
Speaker 9: the second third quarters are going to be critical in
Speaker 9: terms of not just seeing the good growth at the
Speaker 9: overall economic level, but where we start to see it
Speaker 9: translating into more and more private sector jobs, which, as
Speaker 9: you pointed out, we've seen in these recent numbers here.
Speaker 5: Also, you have to remember we're.
Speaker 9: Also working against significant amounts of federal workers that are
Speaker 9: finally rolling off of the employment rules, and that goes
Speaker 9: back to the efforts, you know, with those that.
Speaker 5: Were being made earlier this year.
Speaker 9: So there's a number of reasons for optimism, and hopefully
Speaker 9: these things will all kick in in the early part
Speaker 9: of next year.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like part of a big part of
Speaker 1: the place of the inflation and the affordability issues, especially
Speaker 1: with housing, were driven by all the illegal immigration that
Speaker 1: was permitted in the four years before Trump.
Speaker 5: Well, it certainly didn't help, But for me, I always
Speaker 5: go back. You know, the greatest.
Speaker 9: Monetary economist in history was Milton Friedman, and his famous
Speaker 9: saying was that inflation is always in everywhere a monetary problem.
Speaker 5: So when you see prolonged.
Speaker 6: Rates of inflation over an extended.
Speaker 5: Period of time, like we had during the Biden administration.
Speaker 9: That's because the FED is printing money faster then the
Speaker 9: real economy is growing. And so you could have short
Speaker 9: term impacts from things like the immigration, which I think
Speaker 9: I'm sure it did impact things for a while, you know,
Speaker 9: or if the labor markets get tight. But if you
Speaker 9: see sustained excess inflation over a period of time, it's
Speaker 9: because of the FED.
Speaker 6: I think that's.
Speaker 5: Where the real problem is.
Speaker 9: I wrote in a recent substack piece to paraphrase the
Speaker 9: old James Carville Clinton line where they used to say
Speaker 9: it's the economy stupid.
Speaker 5: The comment I made was, you.
Speaker 6: Know, when it comes to inflation, it's the FED.
Speaker 9: And so I think that's the core issue, and we've
Speaker 9: got to hold back on the tendency.
Speaker 6: To want the FED to push these rates so.
Speaker 9: Low that we continue dealing with that problem.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, do you think there will be a new
Speaker 1: FED chair here at the beginning of the year. That's
Speaker 1: what the rumors are. Jerome Powell will be out and
Speaker 1: there'll be a new head of the FED in twenty six.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think there's no question that's going to happen.
Speaker 9: We'll probably see an announcement fairly soon. My hope is
Speaker 9: that they will be a little tougher or a lot
Speaker 9: tougher than I think Trump wants them to be. I think,
Speaker 9: you know, Trump is a growth guy. That's a great thing.
Speaker 9: We be the growth guy in the White House right now.
Speaker 9: But the ideal thing to me is that we get
Speaker 9: economic growth going with very close to stable prices because
Speaker 9: we've leaned on the FED for too many administrations have
Speaker 9: leaned on the FED for too long, and it's created
Speaker 9: a lot of the problems that we've.
Speaker 5: Had to deal with here.
Speaker 6: So I'd like to see the FED actually get a
Speaker 6: little tougher and tighter with interest rate.
Speaker 1: My Congressman Thomas Massey thinks the FED shouldn't exist.
Speaker 2: Is that a good idea or a bad idea?
Speaker 6: I completely agree.
Speaker 9: The greatest growth, the greatest upward mobility, the greatest ability
Speaker 9: to absorb migration in a way that was healthy for
Speaker 9: our economy, for our citizens, and for all the people
Speaker 9: trying to escape dysfunctional systems abroad came from eighteen hundred
Speaker 9: to nineteen thirty, and for the vast majority of that
Speaker 9: we did not have a Federal Reserve, and we had
Speaker 9: a gold standard, which limited the ability of the federal
Speaker 9: government to play all these monetary games which in the
Speaker 9: end to me create far more problems than they solve.
Speaker 1: All right, well, that's the political leaves, and what do
Speaker 1: you think the chances are that the Republicans hold even
Speaker 1: a narrow margin in the lead when we get done
Speaker 1: counting votes in November of next year.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think it all depends on the economy and job creation.
Speaker 9: I think if if Bethant is right, and I think
Speaker 9: like we talked about, I think there's a very good.
Speaker 6: Chance he is, and things really start kicking in.
Speaker 9: For six months at least by the second quarter of
Speaker 9: next year, and the jobs are going I think you're
Speaker 9: going to see a lot of support for the policies that.
Speaker 5: This administration is employing.
Speaker 9: I think if they don't, you know, there's going to
Speaker 9: be people who are very susceptible to the mom Donnie
Speaker 9: like you know, promise of let's make everything free, that's
Speaker 9: the solution. We know it's not the solution, but people
Speaker 9: are susceptible to that when they feel like things aren't
Speaker 9: working for him.
Speaker 1: What do you think the impact of AI We know
Speaker 1: what it could be. I mean, it could be the
Speaker 1: elimination of got millions of jobs depending on how this goes,
Speaker 1: or it could be just the next you know, technological
Speaker 1: kind of improvement that does improve our lives and make
Speaker 1: us more efficient. What are the chances that AI and
Speaker 1: the burgeoning growth of AI stunts Trump's plans for growing
Speaker 1: the economy.
Speaker 9: I think there's maybe a tiny bit of risk on
Speaker 9: that side of things, but I'm very very optimistic about
Speaker 9: what happens with AI. I mean, we've got basically all
Speaker 9: of human history that shows us that technological developments and
Speaker 9: improvements and efficiency gains are the key to creating a better,
Speaker 9: more healthy economy, one that makes us more competitive in
Speaker 9: the world marketplace, which puts us in a better position
Speaker 9: from trade, It makes are workers more valuable, and so
Speaker 9: I think this is going to fall into the same
Speaker 9: category that we've seen in everything from the industrial revolution,
Speaker 9: you know, to the assembly line, to the technolo you know,
Speaker 9: the computer revolution, the information revolution, all.
Speaker 5: These different things.
Speaker 9: It might take a little while, but I'm very optimistic
Speaker 9: that it's going to be a very powerful tool that
Speaker 9: will enhance life, make us more predictive, productive.
Speaker 5: And basically lead to a better system for us.
Speaker 1: Do we need Todd sheets to figure out something with
Speaker 1: these expiring Obamacare health subsidies. I mean, they're ready to
Speaker 1: run out here in just a matter of days now,
Speaker 1: and people are looking at the proposed premiums for next
Speaker 1: year through the Obamacare exchanges in their own insurance, if
Speaker 1: they have their own insurance. The Republicans have talked about
Speaker 1: cost sharing and have a bill introduced on the House floor.
Speaker 1: I guess Mike Johnson said tomorrow he's expecting this, this
Speaker 1: real affordable healthcare bill to replace it. The fact of
Speaker 1: the matter is there is still a slim margin of Republicans,
Speaker 1: but not enough in the Senate to get something, you know,
Speaker 1: pushed through. What's going to happen with healthcare in this
Speaker 1: country and the premiums that just keep rising beyond people's means.
Speaker 9: Yeah, so I think that you pointed out two great
Speaker 9: issues here. We've got a short term issue with with
Speaker 9: what to do about these expiring subsidies, and then we've
Speaker 9: got a longer term issue, which is we've got to
Speaker 9: solve the healthcare issues, which Obamacare clearly has not done,
Speaker 9: if anything, has made them worse. And so my politically
Speaker 9: realistic assessment in the short term would be I would
Speaker 9: kind of expect.
Speaker 6: To see us extend the.
Speaker 9: Subsidies with some hard income caps at a reasonable level
Speaker 9: so that you know, if you're over.
Speaker 6: Let's just say, I'm not saying this has to be.
Speaker 9: The number one hundred and forty one hundred and fifty
Speaker 9: thousand dollars a year, you're going to lose the subsidies,
Speaker 9: which they were intended to go away in the beginning.
Speaker 9: You know, this wasn't supposed to be a permanent feature.
Speaker 9: Is supposed to help everybody through COVID at the lower
Speaker 9: income levels. We're on top of all the other affordability
Speaker 9: issues that people are dealing with. We create something.
Speaker 5: Like a one year extension, not a.
Speaker 9: Three year extension like the Democrats are looking for a
Speaker 9: one year extension, and then that gives the administration some
Speaker 9: time to tackle the bigger issue that you were addressing there,
Speaker 9: which is what can we do longer term to rein
Speaker 9: in kind of the uncontrolled growth that.
Speaker 6: We have in this systems becoming.
Speaker 9: More and more dominated by the government, you know, which
Speaker 9: is going to lead to rationing and those kinds of things.
Speaker 9: If we end up in a single payer system, and
Speaker 9: it gives us a little more time to focus on
Speaker 9: a bigger solution for the problem.
Speaker 1: Know, the drumbeat in the first Trump administration was repeal
Speaker 1: and replace, and they just couldn't get it done. I
Speaker 1: guess it was the the John McCain vote or whatever
Speaker 1: that that came down in the Senate when when you know,
Speaker 1: he gave the thumbs down. And uh so, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not like you talk about the Republicans buying themselves
Speaker 1: more time with the year extension of these Unaffordable Careless
Speaker 1: Act subsidies that were kicked in during COVID. The Republicans
Speaker 1: seemed to me like they they've had plenty of time
Speaker 1: to come up with something todd.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and they haven't done it.
Speaker 9: And yeah, I did that, I mean, and yeah, and
Speaker 9: but at some point somebody has to do this, and
Speaker 9: and and and at some point, you know, somebody got
Speaker 9: to take the case to the American people and just say,
Speaker 9: you know, hey, we are either going to deal with
Speaker 9: this proactively and intelligently, or we're going to wait until
Speaker 9: this eats up all of the economic wealth in the system.
Speaker 9: You know, and we're dealing under duress where we just
Speaker 9: can't keep borrowing the money that it takes to fund
Speaker 9: the cost of all these programs, and so I think
Speaker 9: it's worth you know, you've got to try this, I
Speaker 9: think every four years or so, and somebody's got to
Speaker 9: make a real focus and we've got to tackle these
Speaker 9: things that it goes it's Obamacare.
Speaker 5: But you know, the reality is.
Speaker 9: And Trump has so far said, probably because of what
Speaker 9: happened in his first administration, he doesn't want to deal with.
Speaker 5: It, which I understand.
Speaker 6: But at some point somebody is going to have to.
Speaker 9: Deal with Medicare and Medicaid because all of these things
Speaker 9: they dominate the budget and they are on unsustainable tracks,
Speaker 9: and so I think it's something that at some point
Speaker 9: we've just got to step up and try again.
Speaker 1: And the key to Todd is they are.
Speaker 2: Both rife with fraud.
Speaker 6: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Mike Johnson was talking about this this morning and he
Speaker 1: talked about the sixty eight thousand Social Security numbers had
Speaker 1: been used by multiple people in multiple states to get
Speaker 1: these subsidies. And I mean, this is billions of dollars
Speaker 1: coming out of the system for real claims and real
Speaker 1: people that that has got to be addressed. And I
Speaker 1: think that's the first thing they need to address, is
Speaker 1: how do you rid the system of all this fraud.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and you know, I think some of this goes
Speaker 9: back to those which I think at some point we
Speaker 9: need to try that again, because you know, weeding out waste,
Speaker 9: fraud and abuse should be a bipartisan objective of everybody. Unfortunately,
Speaker 9: the Democrats.
Speaker 5: You know, when you.
Speaker 9: Decide that the person that's getting elected by a majority
Speaker 9: of the population is Hitler.
Speaker 6: You basically take a stance.
Speaker 5: That you're going to fight them on everything that they do.
Speaker 5: And they did that with dose.
Speaker 9: But at some point, I think we've got to go
Speaker 9: back and fight waste fraud and abuse in the healthcare
Speaker 9: programs if you've just suggested, and throughout the federal government.
Speaker 9: So that, because that is the best way to deal
Speaker 9: with the fiscal issues and problems that we have out there,
Speaker 9: other than growth, you know, growing the economy is probably.
Speaker 4: The best way.
Speaker 9: The second best way is to deal with waste, fraud
Speaker 9: and abuse, because that's in everybody's interest, no matter what
Speaker 9: color tie you wear to work each day, except for
Speaker 9: the fraudsters.
Speaker 1: It's in everybody's interest exactly, except for the criminals.
Speaker 2: All right, go ahead, how do.
Speaker 6: You say there's no shortage of those in Washington either,
Speaker 6: which is part of.
Speaker 1: The problem, right, it's a huge part of the problem.
Speaker 1: The fish rots from the head down and all of that.
Speaker 1: Todd Sheets. Look for his newsletter on Wealth and Progress.
Speaker 1: Just type that in on your search on Wealth and
Speaker 1: Progress by Todd Sheets and you can find his wonderful
Speaker 1: papers there. Todd, thank you for spending some time with
Speaker 1: us again tonight, and fruitful conversation.
Speaker 2: I appreciated. Thank you.
Speaker 5: It's always a pleasure.
Speaker 2: You got it. Todd Sheets with us on the Nightcap.
Speaker 2: And there's still more to come.
Speaker 1: Wake of the Bondei Beach massacre in Australia, in the
Speaker 1: wake of Islamist terrorist and jee hottest attacks all over
Speaker 1: the world, which are increasing seemingly by the day, I
Speaker 1: thought it would be good to bring in a guy
Speaker 1: who's one of his New York Times best selling book
Speaker 1: of the Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and the Crusades
Speaker 1: and the Truth about Muhammad. He's a director of Jihad
Speaker 1: Watch and a Oman Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center.
Speaker 1: And he is our guest now, Robert Spencer. Good evening
Speaker 1: and welcome to the Nightcap.
Speaker 2: How are you.
Speaker 8: Very well saying how are you?
Speaker 2: You know what?
Speaker 1: I'm great but I look at what's going on in
Speaker 1: the world around us, and all of it seems to
Speaker 1: be at least to me. It's kind of like a
Speaker 1: self injury that these countries have been inflicting on their
Speaker 1: people by their ignorance and ignorance of a real threat
Speaker 1: that they've allowed to metastasize in their countries, and Australia
Speaker 1: is one of those countries. Any government that these days
Speaker 1: calls for a two state solution in the Middle East
Speaker 1: is just inviting more of this. And I just wanted
Speaker 1: to get your thumbnail thoughts before we get into what
Speaker 1: else is happening in other places around the world because
Speaker 1: of the unchecked Islamist threat.
Speaker 8: Robert Well, I couldn't agree more. That's exactly what's happening.
Speaker 8: This attack at Bondi Beach in Sydney would never have
Speaker 8: taken place if it hadn't been for the Australian government's
Speaker 8: appeasement of its Islamic community and for the existence of
Speaker 8: that Islamic community in the first place, which is the
Speaker 8: result of the Left program of mass migration of Muslims
Speaker 8: into Australia as well as into Europe and North America.
Speaker 8: And so none of this had to happen. The Left
Speaker 8: has brought it on the West and now we got
Speaker 8: to deal with it well.
Speaker 1: And the thing is too, in the wake of this
Speaker 1: horrible tragedy an Ahonica celebration on a beach in Australia,
Speaker 1: the Prime Minister and the Australian government rightly says they
Speaker 1: have to address anti Semitism, But then at the same
Speaker 1: time they part with we've got to address Islamophobia too.
Speaker 1: Is that out of fear, Because the last time I
Speaker 1: checked my news feeds, the last time I saw anything
Speaker 1: happening around the world, Jews were not attacking Muslims and
Speaker 1: people who love freedom and Western culture. We're not trying
Speaker 1: to tear down Islam. It only seems to be very,
Speaker 1: very one sided. And it's like these people are operating blind, deaf,
Speaker 1: dumb and blind in the wake of a real threat.
Speaker 1: And it seems like we're not doing much better in
Speaker 1: our country.
Speaker 8: No, it's the same here, it's just not quite as
Speaker 8: far along. But you have the same situation of denial
Speaker 8: and willful ignorance. And yes, it is out of fear
Speaker 8: that they don't want to say what's really happening, and
Speaker 8: they don't want to say we're going to fight anty Semitism,
Speaker 8: and we're also going to fight against Islamic g hot activity.
Speaker 8: They don't even want to admit that there is such
Speaker 8: a thing as Islamic g hot activity, and they do
Speaker 8: not do so, you know, no Western country, including the
Speaker 8: United States, admits that there is such a thing and
Speaker 8: has any program to counter it. And this is because
Speaker 8: they're afraid of offending Muslims and they want Muslim votes,
Speaker 8: and they only have Muslim votes because they've brought them
Speaker 8: in with their mass migration policies. And meanwhile, Islam does
Speaker 8: teach warfare against unbelievers. It does teach that Muslims have
Speaker 8: to fight them until they submit to a second class
Speaker 8: status or convert to Islam. And that's going to keep
Speaker 8: happening and going to keep resulting in violence against non Muslims,
Speaker 8: and the longer we ignore it, the worse it's going
Speaker 8: to get.
Speaker 1: And Christianity, on the other hand, which I'm a Christian,
Speaker 1: teaches to love your enemies and to forgive your enemies.
Speaker 1: So there's definitely a diametrically opposed set of ideals at
Speaker 1: play in these two faiths, and Judaism as well, and
Speaker 1: to have it happen during Hanukkah. Do you think that
Speaker 1: there are more coordinated attacks coming soon.
Speaker 8: Robert, Yeah, I wouldn't be the least surprised. It wasn't
Speaker 8: an accident that it happens during Hanukah anymore than it's
Speaker 8: an accident that so many Christmas markets have been hit
Speaker 8: in Europe. This is because they want to make war
Speaker 8: against Jews and Christians in particular. That's what the Koran says,
Speaker 8: fight against the people of the book, that's Jews and
Speaker 8: Christians until they pay the jizia, which is a tax
Speaker 8: with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. So there are
Speaker 8: going to be more attacks during Honkah or during other
Speaker 8: Jewish holy days. There are going to be more attacks
Speaker 8: at Christmas, at Easter. Remember at Easter in Sri Lanka
Speaker 8: a few years back, there was an attack in a church.
Speaker 8: Several hundred people were murdered.
Speaker 2: And this is all the.
Speaker 8: Same Islamic tihad that nobody wants to acknowledge even exists.
Speaker 1: Tell me about one of your most recent books, one
Speaker 1: of the thirty two best sellers, Holy Hell, Islam's abuse
Speaker 1: of women and the infidels who enable it.
Speaker 8: That is yet another aspect of this issue, and that
Speaker 8: is the fact that the Koran, the Holy Book of Islam,
Speaker 8: teaches that Muslims can take Infidel women and use them sexually,
Speaker 8: in other words, essentially as sex slaves. And this people
Speaker 8: don't even believe it when I tell them, But it's.
Speaker 5: In the Koran.
Speaker 8: I show in the book how not only is it
Speaker 8: in the Koran, but Muslims are acting upon it on
Speaker 8: a massive scale. Hundreds of thousands of girls in Britain
Speaker 8: have been victimized while authorities were afraid to act because
Speaker 8: they were afraid of being called Islamophobic. And it also
Speaker 8: happened all over Europe and elsewhere. And the book is
Speaker 8: about this and about how the authorities are afraid to
Speaker 8: confront it. Really it's the same thing we're talking about here.
Speaker 8: They're afraid to confront that, and they're afraid to confront
Speaker 8: Islamic giod And.
Speaker 1: It's not just Isis or Islamic Jihad or any of
Speaker 1: these groups. The FBI just foiled a New Year's planned
Speaker 1: attack New Year's Eve planned attack out in California by
Speaker 1: something called the Turtle Island Liberation Front, which is a
Speaker 1: Free Palestine group. I mean, there are all kinds of
Speaker 1: manifestations of this is what I'm getting at. You don't
Speaker 1: necessarily have to be from Syria or from any of
Speaker 1: these Islamic countries to come and do this kind of
Speaker 1: terrorism in different places around the world. There are home
Speaker 1: grown Islamic terrorists now that have been They have been,
Speaker 1: you know, convinced that this is their path, I guess
Speaker 1: for lack of any other kind of substance in their lives.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but they've been radicalized in that way.
Speaker 1: And I mean because none of the people I saw
Speaker 1: in the FBI photos were people that I would instantly expect.
Speaker 1: I mean Islamic terror. Islamis terror comes in all kinds
Speaker 1: of different packages, and that's why we've got to be
Speaker 1: constantly vigilant.
Speaker 8: Right Well, my understanding, and I could be wrong, is
Speaker 8: that those guys were Leftists. They certainly were acting in
Speaker 8: accord with the aims of the Palestinian giod and the
Speaker 8: left has been a willing and eager ally of Palestinian Jihatis.
Speaker 8: But I'm not sure they were Muslims. Both the left
Speaker 8: and Muslims. Jihadis in general, want to destroyed the West,
Speaker 8: want to destroy the United States, and so they are
Speaker 8: happy to make common cause on that. And the Turtle
Speaker 8: Island business is something that I've seen. If you look
Speaker 8: at the Students for Justice and Palestine website, it's the
Speaker 8: Muslim group that menaces Jewish students and pro Israel students
Speaker 8: on campuses all over the country, and they speak a
Speaker 8: lot about occupied Turtle Island on their website. Turtle Island
Speaker 8: is supposedly the name that Native Americans gave to the
Speaker 8: North American continent. But in any case, that is a
Speaker 8: manifestation as far as I know, of the leftist Islamic Alliance,
Speaker 8: which in its own way is as dangerous as the
Speaker 8: Islamic Jihat itself.
Speaker 1: You have to wonder too, how many Islamic jihadist terrorists,
Speaker 1: and we know of some, but how many came in
Speaker 1: the wake of the great Biden Immigrantsation mistake or plan
Speaker 1: to bring all these millions of people from around the
Speaker 1: world into the United States without any vetting, without any
Speaker 1: knowledge of who they are, and no way to really
Speaker 1: vet all those people. I wonder how many terrorst cells
Speaker 1: are within I don't know, fifty mile radius of me
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati right now.
Speaker 2: You've got to.
Speaker 8: Hold me any number yeah, exactly, because the Biden administration
Speaker 8: made no effort to determine whether these people were sympathetic
Speaker 8: with the Jihad, whether they were active jihattis nothing, and
Speaker 8: so it's really only a matter of time. The gi
Speaker 8: hotties aren't stupid, and they could see the border was open,
Speaker 8: and so they took advantage. And we know that there
Speaker 8: were many, many people on the terror watch list who
Speaker 8: made it over. Some of the estimates have been frankly
Speaker 8: shocking in terms of the high number of people on
Speaker 8: the terror watch list who are here now, and that
Speaker 8: even those don't take into account the people who didn't
Speaker 8: get caught and who made it into the country with
Speaker 8: no problem. And unfortunately, given the fact that they bide
Speaker 8: their time or very patient and work on the basis
Speaker 8: of sleeper cells, we could be seeing the repercussions of
Speaker 8: this for years to come.
Speaker 1: Well, Robert Spencer, you mentioned that it's not as advanced
Speaker 1: here in the United States as it has gotten in
Speaker 1: Australia or in the UK or some of these other
Speaker 1: countries where they have been apologetic and basically rolling out
Speaker 1: the red carpet for jihad to come to their countries.
Speaker 1: France once again is the symbol of the white flag
Speaker 1: of surrender. Particularly Paris, they just canceled their New Year's
Speaker 1: Eve celebrations. And this is something that Paris has been
Speaker 1: famous for over the last sixty five seventy years, is
Speaker 1: it not.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's going on since the nineteen sixties. And it
Speaker 8: was a beautiful celebration where they lit up the whole charm.
Speaker 8: They leaves, the wonderful wide Avenue in the middle of
Speaker 8: Paris lit up brightly and gaily. It was, of course
Speaker 8: something you can only do in a country that's not
Speaker 8: under siege. But now France is under siege, and so
Speaker 8: they are canceling this and it made me wonder when
Speaker 8: I saw the news, what do they think it's going
Speaker 8: to be like in five or ten years. They think
Speaker 8: they're just going to pick it up again then and
Speaker 8: resume doing the things that they've always done. It's not
Speaker 8: going to be that easy because they're not dealing with
Speaker 8: the root of the problem. They're not dealing with the
Speaker 8: problem of jihad or the problem of the many numbers
Speaker 8: of jihattis that they also had brought in to their country,
Speaker 8: and so this problem is only going to get worse
Speaker 8: from them.
Speaker 5: It's not going to get better.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I don't think it's far fetched to
Speaker 1: maybe in ten years see Notre Dame be converted into
Speaker 1: a mosque. I mean, it really is that. And it's
Speaker 1: again because of the mass flood of Islamic migration that
Speaker 1: was allowed to happen by France, by England.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: I talked to somebody who has been going back and
Speaker 1: forth to London on a regular basis over the last
Speaker 1: twenty years, and she told me that London is unrecognizable
Speaker 1: in many places because of the influence of the influx
Speaker 1: and the influence of Islam and these kinds of precess
Speaker 1: I mean, there's steps away from Sharia law in parts
Speaker 1: of London and England right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 8: I was last in London in two thousand and nine,
Speaker 8: which is sixteen almost seventeen years ago now, and I
Speaker 8: remember taking long walks because of the kind of work
Speaker 8: I do. I was going into mosques all over London
Speaker 8: and walking around in East London, which is the heavily
Speaker 8: Muslim area, and found that there are stretches whole streets
Speaker 8: neighborhoods where you'd think you were in Pakistan, that there's
Speaker 8: nothing visible anywhere around you that gives you any indication
Speaker 8: that you're actually in England. And that was sixteen years ago.
Speaker 8: I imagine it's much worse now.
Speaker 1: Ye when you're hearing chance of gas the Jews in Australia.
Speaker 1: It's really no wonder that this has occurred now, this
Speaker 1: massacre at Bandai Beach.
Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely no, not at all. And see this is
Speaker 8: something that is also right on directly the fault of
Speaker 8: the leftist government that they coddled the people who were
Speaker 8: coming out after the October seventh Gihat mass and acting
Speaker 8: as if these people were entirely reasonable and entirely right
Speaker 8: to be protesting and falsely charging Israel with genocide and
Speaker 8: all this business. And they made it clear that they
Speaker 8: could essentially run free with no repercussions. And so the
Speaker 8: fact that these elements are allied with jihadis only meant
Speaker 8: that there was going to be violence, and now here
Speaker 8: we are nothing was more predictable.
Speaker 1: What what what would be a Robert Spencer kind of
Speaker 1: a solution to this? How how do we unwind what
Speaker 1: has wound up? And how do we save Western culture?
Speaker 1: How do we save Israel?
Speaker 8: Well, we have to make sure to make it clear
Speaker 8: to everybody in our various countries that there's one law
Speaker 8: for everyone and that there's not going to be any
Speaker 8: more indulgence for other systems of law. Now you might
Speaker 8: think this is a bit far afield, but it's not.
Speaker 8: In the UK, Muslims have been allowed to establish what
Speaker 8: are what's essentially a parallel society with Sharia courts that
Speaker 8: have the highest authority in the country rather than I
Speaker 8: mean in the Muslim areas, rather than the law in
Speaker 8: the land. And so that has to all stop, and
Speaker 8: the people who are Muslims in all of our countries
Speaker 8: have to be made to understand that jihad you got
Speaker 8: to leave at the door. The misogyny you have to
Speaker 8: leave at the door, the anti Semitism you have to
Speaker 8: leave at the door. You're perfectly free to practice your
Speaker 8: religion in the United States and England and Australia and
Speaker 8: so on, but not at the expense of other existing
Speaker 8: laws or in a way that endangers other communities. And
Speaker 8: so that would be the first step. But there isn't
Speaker 8: even any politician as the guts to do that.
Speaker 1: I mean, what votes are they they looking to get?
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't understand this. Maybe this goes broader
Speaker 1: than a politician have encouraged. Maybe it's a matter of
Speaker 1: just education of the public at mass to make them
Speaker 1: understand what's going on and what needs to be done
Speaker 1: to save us. Because well, there's no doubt that the sorry, well,
Speaker 1: I mean, because that's what's at stake. It's saving culture,
Speaker 1: it's saving a society. I mean because yes, because that
Speaker 1: branch of Islam is about world domination and about taking
Speaker 1: completely over. And I don't think that's absolutely true. And
Speaker 1: I don't think enough people understand that, Robert.
Speaker 8: They don't, And as a matter of fact, when somebody
Speaker 8: tries to say it, he gets shot down. You take,
Speaker 8: for example, Senator Tommy Tuberville of Alabama, who just recently
Speaker 8: has started speaking honestly about Islam, and just yesterday we
Speaker 8: did a very strong statement, a statement I don't entirely
Speaker 8: agree with, where he said Islam is not a religion.
Speaker 8: I think it is a religion. It's just a political,
Speaker 8: supremacist and violent religion. But in any case, he went
Speaker 8: on to say that we have to fight against the
Speaker 8: Islamists in the United States, which is a word people
Speaker 8: usually use to refer to Jihadis or other people who
Speaker 8: want to bring Islamic law to the country, so you'd
Speaker 8: think nobody would have a problem with that, but he's
Speaker 8: just being inundated with people calling him Islamophobic and all that.
Speaker 1: Robert Spencer, I appreciate your time tonight and interviews like
Speaker 1: this can't hurt if somebody hears it and maybe further
Speaker 1: understands what the world is facing right now. Again, my
Speaker 1: condolences to anyone who lost their lives at the hands
Speaker 1: of these murderous people. And happy Hanukkah.
Speaker 4: Thank you very much.
Speaker 2: All right, thank you, Robert Spencer with us on the
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Speaker 1: an investigative reporter, I mean for years. He is the
Speaker 1: author of non fiction books like The Great Pretense, A
Speaker 1: Tour through the Boneyard of the CIA's War for Drugs,
Speaker 1: Dispatches from the House of Death, are As, a cartel Informant,
Speaker 1: a dea whistleblower, mass murder and cover Up on the
Speaker 1: Edge of the Empire. Wow, that's a lengthy title. We
Speaker 1: could probably talk about that title for the next twenty minutes.
Speaker 1: Bill Bill Conroy joins his son the Nightcap about what's
Speaker 1: going on right now with the Trump administration, the United
Speaker 1: States and Maduro and Venezuela. Bill Conroy, welcome.
Speaker 2: To the show.
Speaker 4: Glad to be here, g for to having me on.
Speaker 2: No doubt.
Speaker 1: So the premise is basically according to President Trump and
Speaker 1: the military, is this the coke boat strikes in the Caribbean.
Speaker 1: And all of the things you've seen were about fentanyl
Speaker 1: and drugs coming into this country. And while the precursors
Speaker 1: from fentanyl coming from China did go to places like
Speaker 1: Venezuela and Mexico, and that has been largely thwarted in
Speaker 1: many ways stopped with the closing of our border, it
Speaker 1: can still get here any number of ways, and as
Speaker 1: long as there is a demand in this country, somebody's
Speaker 1: going to supply it somehow until they're stopped for real.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I said, from the insight, without any
Speaker 1: of your fore knowledge of what the CIA has been
Speaker 1: involved with in years past, with the quote war on drugs,
Speaker 1: saw this as what I believe it is. It's just
Speaker 1: an effort to unseat Maduro, who obviously is an illegitimate president.
Speaker 1: I mean, the other candidate got more votes, but he
Speaker 1: said no, I'm I'm not leaving. And it's similar to
Speaker 1: things that have been done in the past, that Manuel
Speaker 1: Noriega and Panama, and you can cite many other examples
Speaker 1: of how the CIA worked to overthrow foreign governments.
Speaker 2: It's nothing new for them.
Speaker 1: But I also saw it as what it is I think,
Speaker 1: and that's you know, obviously about oil and sanctions against China,
Speaker 1: and from that standpoint, I kind of agree with it.
Speaker 1: But anyway, Bill, I wanted to get your thoughts on
Speaker 1: what the Trump administration the CIA is doing. And I
Speaker 1: know you've seen this movie before, so please yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The first thing is more, you know, a number of
Speaker 4: things can be true at once, and you know, I
Speaker 4: think that's the case here there. This is the Trump
Speaker 4: Forum policy, which you know they had veiled recently. It's
Speaker 4: it's essentially the Monroe Doctor and Portant two point zero, right,
Speaker 4: it's like really exert all influence over national security or
Speaker 4: security economic policy in Americas. And you know they're in
Speaker 4: the past and as is currently, they've mainly targeted leftist
Speaker 4: leaders in Latin America. You know, all the past coups
Speaker 4: going back to Guatemala, you know the band Pig Piggs,
Speaker 4: Envision in Cuba, the you know coup and Chile in
Speaker 4: the nineteen seventies, the cocaine coup in Bolivia in nineteen eighty,
Speaker 4: which basically replaced the Left as president with a winter
Speaker 4: composed of literally of a former Nazi in Marco traffickers.
Speaker 4: And then you know the CIA contract crack cocaine scandal
Speaker 4: the later in mid nineteen eighties. You know, that's all
Speaker 4: Nords and everyone. And Trump tried this in this first administration.
Speaker 4: He had the CIA, and they're attempting to flevent a
Speaker 4: coup in Venezuela there in his first term. So yeah,
Speaker 4: it's no surprise that they're trying to get rid of
Speaker 4: the Duro. He's kind of the entertain of the kind
Speaker 4: of the Bulavarian leftist revolution, the remaining you know, leader
Speaker 4: from that era. There's and you know there's other there's
Speaker 4: pressure on Colombia right next door, which is, you know,
Speaker 4: the major source of the coca plant in cocaine, Colombia,
Speaker 4: and actually all the and these nations can grow the
Speaker 4: coca leafs, but only they can. So the only place
Speaker 4: cocaine is coming from is that region of the world. Right,
Speaker 4: and Venezuela was never a major producer. They're a transit nation,
Speaker 4: so probably more money went to Venezuela than drugs. That's
Speaker 4: probably it's major use in that as.
Speaker 1: Far as Bill, as far as the oil frigate that
Speaker 1: was seized, the oil ship that was seized, it was
Speaker 1: seized because we have sanctions against people doing business with
Speaker 1: China and this oil or with Iran. I mean, we
Speaker 1: have sanctions with people doing business with Iran and oil,
Speaker 1: and this was obviously.
Speaker 2: Part of that.
Speaker 1: How do you enforce sanctions if you don't enforce them,
Speaker 1: I mean, isn't that basically what the United States was
Speaker 1: doing by seizing this tanker.
Speaker 4: Well, and also they're threatening to see more tankers. So
Speaker 4: again this goes back to the thing that a number
Speaker 4: of things could be true at once. They're using, you know,
Speaker 4: a lot of legal language to justify what's going on.
Speaker 4: In the case of blowing out the drug boats. You know,
Speaker 4: they claim that they're Darko terrorists and we have you know,
Speaker 4: sanctions against them, right, Well, we don't have sanctions to
Speaker 4: kill them, you know, that's that whole thing is built
Speaker 4: on economic sanctions. But the point is, if you look
Speaker 4: at what they did, it's it's it's you know, there
Speaker 4: really is nothing you can do about it. Right, First, say,
Speaker 4: the first thing is if you blow, if you kill
Speaker 4: somebody in international waters and there's no war, it's not
Speaker 4: war crime. Right. Congress is the only one that will
Speaker 4: declare war, So that doesn't really shit. If you uh
Speaker 4: murder somebody in the international waters and they're a US
Speaker 4: national in other words, you know, a residence or citizens,
Speaker 4: you can bring murder charges in US courts against whoever
Speaker 4: did that. But if they're not, which these these uh
Speaker 4: you know, the people they're killing in the in the
Speaker 4: Caribbean and in the Pacific are not US citizens, then
Speaker 4: the only option is for the nations of those uh
Speaker 4: of those killed to bring the charges. And and that
Speaker 4: might be like what Acuador and Venezuela and Columbia. You know,
Speaker 4: that's happened before where US agents have been charged with
Speaker 4: crimes in the just aid those countries. That's what happens,
Speaker 4: and then you know, you ask gotta regisplates it. So
Speaker 4: there really is nothing that's going to be done about that.
Speaker 4: And they're kind of the same thing with the oil takers.
Speaker 4: There there's a thin legal justification for seizing the oil tankers,
Speaker 4: you know, that's what they say is that this oil
Speaker 4: was bound for it was a you know, an unfair
Speaker 4: or a false flag ship that was bound for to
Speaker 4: deliver sanctioned oil, and that may be true, and you're right,
Speaker 4: they should be seized. Russia's got a whole fleet of
Speaker 4: those that were not seizing, right, So the double standards
Speaker 4: and foreign policy or you know, if you look at
Speaker 4: it or profile. But anyway, so we seize their tankers
Speaker 4: and we continue to do that, and we have were
Speaker 4: blowing up all the bullets coming out of Venezuela, which
Speaker 4: you effectively have as a blockade of Venezuela, which in
Speaker 4: itself is an active war. And I think they're just
Speaker 4: going to ratchet the pressure up until there's some kind
Speaker 4: of coup in Venezuela, which is what the CIA's role
Speaker 4: is on the ground. There is to you know, bargain
Speaker 4: for that fer meant that you know, help the opposition
Speaker 4: position themselves for you know, post Madure, all that kind
Speaker 4: of thing. So there's a lot of a lot of
Speaker 4: a lot of stuff going on on the ground that
Speaker 4: we don't know about, and that we probably won't know
Speaker 4: about frankly for years, because that's that's what you know,
Speaker 4: This stuff doesn't come out, you know, it's it's surprising
Speaker 4: that that Trump admitted we have the CIA operating on
Speaker 4: the groundment there. That's the first surprising thing. But anyway, yeah,
Speaker 4: you're right. I mean, if you're gonna, you know, enforce stations,
Speaker 4: then you would think you'd enforce them against every country
Speaker 4: that's running these these these false relave ships and and.
Speaker 1: Yeh, Bill, Bill, Bill Bill, I think, I think I
Speaker 1: think that where it gets to, uh, the Monroe doctrine
Speaker 1: component of this, this is in our hemisphere. We're not
Speaker 1: going to go to Russia and and go to the
Speaker 1: Black Sea and start commandeering oil ships, are we No.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they're not coming from the Black Seat. They're
Speaker 4: coming across international waters from you know, different places. You know,
Speaker 4: some of the Venezuela and oil is going to Russia too,
Speaker 4: So we don't know where that oil was about. But
Speaker 4: that is, you know, to get back to the major point.
Speaker 4: You know, you could argue over whether you know, the
Speaker 4: US policy is being implemented to you know, to actually
Speaker 4: you know, get after the sanctioned oil, or if it's
Speaker 4: also being implemented to continue prussing the Duro to get
Speaker 4: him out of office. I'd argue it's both right and
Speaker 4: why not? And you know, it seems like a good
Speaker 4: play for him, and you know they're they're basically going
Speaker 4: to you know, next step would be to start, you know,
Speaker 4: shooting missiles in there somewhere based on presumably intelligence from
Speaker 4: the ground there where where where they want to strike,
Speaker 4: and you know they'll go after they did. I mean,
Speaker 4: they tried to eradicate coca fields in Columbia for years,
Speaker 4: for decades. It didn't work. And if if you see
Speaker 4: how cold the plants grow there, you'd see why, because
Speaker 4: they grow in like little corners of the jungle that
Speaker 4: you'd never find. They're not. You're not going to find
Speaker 4: those very easily with with any kind of technology. You'd
Speaker 4: have to have you know, on the ground surveillance people
Speaker 4: you know, informants and so forth, and assets, and that's
Speaker 4: the world to see act would be played.
Speaker 2: I know that.
Speaker 4: Location because I think they would take Maduro out.
Speaker 1: Right, and I'm not and I'm not sure that's that's
Speaker 1: necessarily a bad thing.
Speaker 4: Well, here here's the deal with that. Here Again, there's
Speaker 4: always consequences for for these decisions. And there's the raw,
Speaker 4: raw moment where you get rid of a guy like that,
Speaker 4: and then there's the day after like we fought we
Speaker 4: found in Iraq, and there's similar attentions in Venezuela. I mean,
Speaker 4: but Dua is just a it's just a figure. The
Speaker 4: pro Chabbista, which is you know, the kind of the
Speaker 4: left militias are very you know, they're not going to
Speaker 4: stop the US military, but they are going to be
Speaker 4: you know, guirrilla fighters. You know, so you're gonna have
Speaker 4: You could easily get bogged down investment. It's a huge country.
Speaker 4: You could spark a civil war there that spreads over
Speaker 4: into Colombia. I mean, you could destabilize that whole region
Speaker 4: and make make our life a lot harder. I mean,
Speaker 4: what are you going to send in US troops to
Speaker 4: guard the oil fields? I mean, that's probably what we'd
Speaker 4: have to do. So you you that's the problem. I
Speaker 4: mean in the real world. Yeah, it's as you know,
Speaker 4: as the bad guys have black hats, the big guys
Speaker 4: have white hats, and we have a shoe on. You know,
Speaker 4: it doesn't work that way, so you know, and and
Speaker 4: I don't know how many how many of these things
Speaker 4: they're really considering. I know they do want to. You know,
Speaker 4: it isn't just Venezuela either, there's a number of you know, Colombia,
Speaker 4: they have elections coming up. They want to know, they
Speaker 4: want to you know, get the leftist leader out there
Speaker 4: and move to the right. Argent teenagers reelected it's leader
Speaker 4: which is friendly with the Trump administration. So that's really
Speaker 4: they want governments that are friendly and are going to
Speaker 4: you complyiant and to follow what the edicts are out
Speaker 4: of Washington. That's nothing new. But no, they're being aggressive
Speaker 4: about it, right, They're they're They're not. It's not being
Speaker 4: done through hard diplomacy or or backdoor channels. It's like,
Speaker 4: you know, we're going to shoot this missile down your
Speaker 4: sword if you don't do what we want you to do.
Speaker 1: Well, Uh, you can pre order Bill's new book, The
Speaker 1: Great Pretense, a tour through the boneyard of the CIA's
Speaker 1: War four Drugs. And I tell you what, I'd much
Speaker 1: rather have a president uh actually actually care and and
Speaker 1: be as transparent as Trump has been about this, then
Speaker 1: have a president who say, is running drugs into the
Speaker 1: Mina airstrip in Arkansas when he's governor, not mentioning any names.
Speaker 4: Well, all that okay, all that history is very it's
Speaker 4: worth mulling over. I would say this, So there's no
Speaker 4: way this is about drugs. And I'll give you I'll
Speaker 4: give you my reasoning on that quick. If we have times.
Speaker 4: First of all, they've blown up, you know, give or
Speaker 4: take twenty four twenty five boats, and those both maybe
Speaker 4: carry let's say, on average, two tons. They can carry
Speaker 4: a ton that some of them might might be packed
Speaker 4: with four times that bigger one, but maybe two tons
Speaker 4: on average. That's what fifty tons of cocaine on those boats.
Speaker 4: And the production of pure coke cocaine. Remember, every time
Speaker 4: cocaine is you know, touch his hands. When it's sold
Speaker 4: from one party the next, it gets cut, it gets
Speaker 4: you know, you know, cut it with whatever whatever, you know,
Speaker 4: whatever they have to you know, it stretches the cocaine.
Speaker 4: They can make more money. So this is the pure
Speaker 4: cocaine production estimate. This is from the UN and you
Speaker 4: know there's no totally accurate because you just don't know.
Speaker 4: But they have people on the ground, you know, doing
Speaker 4: doing some research on this at.
Speaker 5: Least about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's based on on ground surveys. You know,
Speaker 4: they actually have people in Colombia and the Andes looking
Speaker 4: where the coca fields are, right, So they have a
Speaker 4: pretty good idea. But they asked them, is three thousand,
Speaker 4: seven hundred and eight tons of pure cocaine will be produced?
Speaker 4: That was the most recent figure was two twenty three,
Speaker 4: and it's been rising, right, so we got fifty tons
Speaker 4: of that. That's like, you know, we're not stopping We're
Speaker 4: not stopping cocaine. So with this, so it's clearly a
Speaker 4: show offorce for us.
Speaker 1: Neil, do you understand that that will be a relief
Speaker 1: to a lot of people listening tonight that you were
Speaker 1: not stopping this.
Speaker 4: Cocaine They probably already know, right, Yeah, But I'm sorry,
Speaker 4: But but that's I mean, there's a few other there's
Speaker 4: a number of other reasons. I mean, Trump is not
Speaker 4: really ideological about the drug worry. He pardoned like this
Speaker 4: year so far ten people accused of drug crimes, including
Speaker 4: one of the biggest traffickers in Central America. For years,
Speaker 4: the head of the president of Honduras allowed the similar
Speaker 4: cartel to travel drugs through his country with protection of
Speaker 4: his forces. Uh, they asked, it was like four hundred
Speaker 4: billion tons of cocaine that he let into the US
Speaker 4: that way they got into view or through his country anyway.
Speaker 4: So I don't think Trump's ideological. I think this is
Speaker 4: about oil. The other thing that that right next door
Speaker 4: to Venezuela is Guiana, and that's, yeah, you know, a
Speaker 4: country probably people we'd only remember from you know, the
Speaker 4: kool aid murderers back in the day, remember Jim Jones
Speaker 4: and all that. Anyway, they they've had major oil discoveries there.
Speaker 4: Excellent's actually drilling there. So right that whole region in
Speaker 4: Venezuela has a fifth of the world's oil reserves. And
Speaker 4: now they got these huge it's it's me to be
Speaker 4: the fastest growing oil fields in the world are now
Speaker 4: in Ghana in terms of the rate of production and
Speaker 4: exploitation whatever you want to call it, that underway there.
Speaker 4: And it's all like natural preserves too, so there's some
Speaker 4: ecnological things going on that you know, we'll after you
Speaker 4: iron out. But all that said, that's what a state.
Speaker 4: And you know, we right now in the US produced
Speaker 4: a lot of oil, but it's you know, it's kind
Speaker 4: of the yellow crude. It's it's the light stuff. And
Speaker 4: you know, Venezuela is you know the goopy you know,
Speaker 4: black tire, you know oil that that we need. And
Speaker 4: so that's you know what, every every four we've been
Speaker 4: in since I can remember, you know, after Vietnam anyway,
Speaker 4: has been about oil and I to something or another,
Speaker 4: and I don't see why this won't want to be
Speaker 4: any different.
Speaker 1: And again, I think that it's great if we realize
Speaker 1: more of of the capabilities of having that energy at
Speaker 1: our disposal.
Speaker 2: I think that's all good for America. I'm pro oil
Speaker 2: and uh and obviously the tide has turned against all
Speaker 2: this alternative energy stuff that doesn't work.
Speaker 4: Bill. Yeah, but that's kind of a sidetrack. The real
Speaker 4: question here is what do you do you support, you know,
Speaker 4: overthrowing governments to get their oil. This one, you know,
Speaker 4: you could say, yeah, it's a bad guy, we should
Speaker 4: overthrow them, and then you know, cut a deal, which
Speaker 4: is what they would do. It's a new government, which
Speaker 4: is would be more right winging right wing and more
Speaker 4: accommodating to us, you know, getting a huge cut, and
Speaker 4: you know we'd offer them protection. I'm sure that's one
Speaker 4: way to get our oil, I guess, but it's going
Speaker 4: to come at a price because it's you know, the
Speaker 4: the you know, those those acts tend to have blowback, right,
Speaker 4: and so we're gonna have. It's going to create a
Speaker 4: lot of you know, it'd be like somebody coming in
Speaker 4: here and taking over. You know, they want something from us,
Speaker 4: and they just come in and take it over. I mean,
Speaker 4: the reaction to the that whole region is not going
Speaker 4: to be good. It's going to create as many problems
Speaker 4: as it solves. It would be better, I think, and
Speaker 4: it's a dilemma. I think the administration faithes it would
Speaker 4: be far better if Maduro would leave on his own
Speaker 4: than if we got to force him out or there's
Speaker 4: some kind of you know, coup that we're implicated in
Speaker 4: or invasion, because the geopolitics of us going at it
Speaker 4: that way are I think good haunt us for decades
Speaker 4: and costs. You know, well, we'll get oil, but it'll
Speaker 4: come at the cause of American blood and treasure, and
Speaker 4: you know we got to fear. Yeah, I hope not either.
Speaker 4: But that's one of the concerns that we get. And
Speaker 4: I'm sure they're sitting in a dilemma with a third
Speaker 4: of our naval fleet off the coast of Venezuela and
Speaker 4: up toward Puerto Rico, wondering what comes back. Because the
Speaker 4: States are incredibly high again.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I appreciate the conversation.
Speaker 6: Gary.
Speaker 4: I think it was you asked some good questions.
Speaker 1: Merry Christmas. All right, thank you sir. Take care all right,
Speaker 1: we still have more to go. Dave Hatter and Jim
Speaker 1: Ranesi will join us before midnight on the Nightcap.
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Speaker 14: I think what makes the gentlest As we continue towards
Speaker 14: midnight on this night Cap, I thought my friend Jim
Speaker 14: RAEESI would be wonderful to spend a few minutes with
Speaker 14: and he agreed to come on.
Speaker 1: I don't think he agreed that it would be wonderful necessarily,
Speaker 1: but he agreed to come on. So we'll take what
Speaker 1: we can get on a Tuesday night. Jim Ornacy, welcome
Speaker 1: back to the program. How are you, sir?
Speaker 15: Very good, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask first about since you spent your
Speaker 1: time in Washington, d C. In the House, and what
Speaker 1: is going on with the wrangling of cats now among
Speaker 1: the Republicans trying to get this replacement healthcare bill to
Speaker 1: the floor and get it voted on and passed and
Speaker 1: sent over to the Senate, and you know the things
Speaker 1: that have already failed. I was talking with a guest
Speaker 1: earlier tonight about this, Jim, and all we heard in
Speaker 1: President Trump's first term in that Congress was it's time
Speaker 1: to repeal and replace Obamacare, and that wound up falling
Speaker 1: on its face, mainly because of John McCain, but in
Speaker 1: the Senate. But they are talking about it again with
Speaker 1: a brand new plan to replace these COVID subsidies that
Speaker 1: were added to Obamacare, which are set to expire, and
Speaker 1: everything's going to blow up here. After the first year
Speaker 1: they got to figure out what they're going to do.
Speaker 1: What do you think will happen. Do you think the
Speaker 1: Republicans will work out some deal where they extend those
Speaker 1: subsidies for another year or what's going on?
Speaker 15: Well, again, what's interesting is you're right, Republicans wanted to
Speaker 15: get rid of Obamacare. We worked extremely hard. I was
Speaker 15: in Congress at that time. We had a plan to
Speaker 15: replace it. We moved it through the House. It needed
Speaker 15: one more vote out of the Senate, which was John McCain,
Speaker 15: and if everybody remembers, he walked in at midnight with
Speaker 15: a thumb down and voted against it, and that killed
Speaker 15: the replacement for Obamacare during the previous Trump administration.
Speaker 4: So this is not easy.
Speaker 15: There's a lot of moving pieces to it. But now
Speaker 15: it's become even more ridiculous because it appears what the
Speaker 15: House is going to do is just pass a few
Speaker 15: things that they've already passed that the Senate would not
Speaker 15: pass or take up. But they're going to pass it
Speaker 15: as a symbolic measure to say, hey, we tried, the
Speaker 15: Senate's already tried. It appears they don't have anything else.
Speaker 15: They're all going to go home with these subsidies. Actually
Speaker 15: ending at December thirty first, and of course healthcare costs spiking,
Speaker 15: but I think they would have spiked even without the
Speaker 15: Obamacare subsidies. And then they're talking about coming back in
Speaker 15: January and coming up with a plan that everybody can
Speaker 15: agree to. Well, you know, Gary, this is the problem
Speaker 15: with Washington. I said this all along. If you really
Speaker 15: want to fix Washington, you force a balanced budget, you
Speaker 15: put term limits in, and you don't let people go
Speaker 15: home until things are done. If you told everybody, guys,
Speaker 15: we're not going home and you're going to spend Christmas
Speaker 15: Eve here until we finish this, which is by the
Speaker 15: way we do in the real world. I did it
Speaker 15: a lot of times in the business world. This kind
Speaker 15: of stuff would get settled. But instead we'll kick the
Speaker 15: can down the road to January and see what happens.
Speaker 1: For his part, Speaker Johnson was speaking to this morning.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I heard some of the
Speaker 1: press conference and it's daily briefing, and he said that
Speaker 1: this plan by Republicans would this cost sharing and whatever,
Speaker 1: would bring premiums down by eleven percent. He said, even
Speaker 1: if you extended the current subsidies, it would only bring
Speaker 1: the savings down five point seven percent initially for about
Speaker 1: seven percent of the population. There's not a large amount
Speaker 1: of people apparently, who are on these Obama subsidies. The
Speaker 1: exchanges and premiums are skyrocketing. They've got to find a
Speaker 1: way to make this I don't want to even use
Speaker 1: the a word affordable, but something reasonable that people can
Speaker 1: you know, rely on and have some kind of medical
Speaker 1: coverage and uh and still be able to eat.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I would agree with you.
Speaker 15: But the problem is, remember, Speaker Johnson's going to put
Speaker 15: out talking points. These talking points were already brought out.
Speaker 15: These these same items are already passed by the House.
Speaker 15: They're not passing anything but a bundled group of bills
Speaker 15: they've already passed, and that's why it's going to pass.
Speaker 15: There was originally going to be an amendment allowed by
Speaker 15: the Moderates to, you know, to advance the subsidies for
Speaker 15: two more years, I believe, and this morning Speaker Johnson
Speaker 15: said no, we're not going to allow that to happen
Speaker 15: unless we find cost savings. Now, I give them credit
Speaker 15: for saying that, but what that really did was throw
Speaker 15: the moderates under the bus, because that that advancement or
Speaker 15: continuation of subsidies was not going to path either, I
Speaker 15: don't believe, and it would have give them an opportunity
Speaker 15: to vote for something that they could go back home
Speaker 15: and say, hey, I tried, Because you got to remember,
Speaker 15: there are probably ten members of the House of Representatives
Speaker 15: that are Republicans that are in Democrat districts, and you've
Speaker 15: got to give them something, especially when you only have
Speaker 15: a four or five seat majority, so that they don't lose.
Speaker 15: And this was an opportunity for the Speaker to give
Speaker 15: them something, even though it wouldn't have passed and it
Speaker 15: wouldn't have mattered, but I guess that felt as well.
Speaker 4: So you know, they're going to have to go back
Speaker 4: and say.
Speaker 15: We supported a bill at least to keep things going
Speaker 15: forward that the Senate's not going to pass. And it's
Speaker 15: all about talking points. It's all about the next election
Speaker 15: and how can I get the best talking point out
Speaker 15: and get re elected.
Speaker 1: Sad but true, and sad but true to the comments
Speaker 1: of President Trump when the news of the passing the
Speaker 1: murder of Rob Reiner and his wife was announced at
Speaker 1: White House press briefing, and President Trump's only respond was,
Speaker 1: I was never a fan of Rob Reiner, without any
Speaker 1: kind of bowing to the humanity of Rob Reiner. And
Speaker 1: this is part and parcel a big problem. And it
Speaker 1: happens with Donald Trump all the time. The critics of
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, they dehumanize him. And now I see the
Speaker 1: President doing the same thing to a political foe, simply
Speaker 1: because he was an outspoken critic of the president. And
Speaker 1: I found it distasteful and I don't go along with
Speaker 1: that President Trump. I still support him, but those comments
Speaker 1: were just even out of Trump. I was surprised.
Speaker 4: Well, look, I would agree with you.
Speaker 15: I mean, he could have very easily said I was
Speaker 15: never a fan of Rob Ryner. This was a tragic incident.
Speaker 15: May Rob and Michelle rest in peace, and that would
Speaker 15: have been at Instead, he talked about what he's done
Speaker 15: in the Trump Arrangement syndrome and all the other stuff, which,
Speaker 15: by the way, and I've been reporting on this, and
Speaker 15: I've been on other shows where I've said, this only
Speaker 15: hurts Republicans in next November's election. There was a poll
Speaker 15: came out yesterday. I forget the sponsor of the poll,
Speaker 15: but it basically is saying that fifty three percent of
Speaker 15: those that voted in last November's election, will will be
Speaker 15: voting for a Democrat in this next November's election fifty
Speaker 15: three percent and only forty three percent will be voting
Speaker 15: for a Republican.
Speaker 2: And that right there is where.
Speaker 15: These comments hurt. They're going to hurt Republicans because, as
Speaker 15: I continue to say, it's not about the Republicans. Republicans
Speaker 15: will vote for Republicans, Democrats will vote for Democrats. But
Speaker 15: we have this large sector of independence. And the approval
Speaker 15: rating in those polls for President Trump was as high
Speaker 15: as seventy percent last December November, and today it's at
Speaker 15: thirty percent. So he's losing a major chunk of supporters
Speaker 15: which are going to tie him to Republicans, just like
Speaker 15: it happened in twenty eighteen. And a lot of people
Speaker 15: probably have forgotten about what happened in twenty eighteen. But
Speaker 15: we lost the House, we lost the Senate, we lost
Speaker 15: races all across the country because people were not happy
Speaker 15: with Donald Trump, and they punished Republicans. So this comment
Speaker 15: just as another punishment to Republicans who have to run
Speaker 15: again in less than a year.
Speaker 2: Jim or Nacy, thank you for your time.
Speaker 1: Again back at you on a Merry Christmas, and because
Speaker 1: we're coming right up on it, we're less than well
Speaker 1: like a week and a half away, and I just
Speaker 1: hope that you have a fantastic time with family and friends,
Speaker 1: enjoy the holiday season.
Speaker 15: Wish are you and your listeners of merry Christmas and
Speaker 15: are very prosperous New Year as well.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Jim Ornacy with us on the night Cap for a
Speaker 1: few minutes. Dave Hatter in to roll up the tarp
Speaker 1: with me and close things out next.
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Speaker 1: As we've prepared to drive out of the garage and
Speaker 1: go home on this Tuesday night, my friend Dave Hatter,
Speaker 1: the Mad Hatter, my tech guy from Intrust. It is
Speaker 1: with us to talk about, well, the sounds of the
Speaker 1: season maybe coming from an AI toy, and you may
Speaker 1: not want your child to be subjected to those sounds.
Speaker 1: First and foremost, Dave just informed me that slop slop,
Speaker 1: slop is Merriam Webster's word of the Year for twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five. And we're not talking about the evening slop
Speaker 1: John John Cougar Mellencamp talked about. We're talking about AI
Speaker 1: slop and the state of the Internet. So Dave tell
Speaker 1: me about slop.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think this is pretty interesting and as always,
Speaker 10: thanks for having me on Garytank. When Mariam Webster takes
Speaker 10: a word every year, the twenty five word of the
Speaker 10: year of slop as it pertains to AI slop. And
Speaker 10: here's here's one subhead from a recent arc line quote
Speaker 10: AI slop unquote succinct definition of the current state of
Speaker 10: the Internet. And really they picked this ideally because you're
Speaker 10: now seeing so much AI flop, all of this ridiculous
Speaker 10: AI content that's being created, which then leads into AI
Speaker 10: models and you know, one of the things people have
Speaker 10: been worried about for some time, although you rarely hear
Speaker 10: about this except for people who are not necessarily on
Speaker 10: the utopian AI future where we're all just going to
Speaker 10: be laying around and doing nothing and the machines do everything.
Speaker 10: Is this idea that large language model based AI tools
Speaker 10: think chat, gptgmini, et cetera. There's a concept called model collapse,
Speaker 10: and it's the idea of that. Okay, this AI generates something,
Speaker 10: another AI reads it, ingests it, and as they feed
Speaker 10: off of each other, the quality just continues to go down.
Speaker 10: Hence the idea of slop and this idea that you know,
Speaker 10: there's just so much stuff means videos, et cetera being
Speaker 10: created by this and filling the Internet. So I thought
Speaker 10: it was interesting that they picked this as their word
Speaker 10: of the year.
Speaker 1: It's wild and there's more and there's more slop to come.
Speaker 2: Sadly, there is AI toys.
Speaker 1: You and I've kind of delved into this and the
Speaker 1: dangers and uh some of the the real Uh they're
Speaker 1: not putting any checks on some of this stuff that's
Speaker 1: going out. It's going to be in the hands of children,
Speaker 1: small children, the Teddy Bear talking dirty and fetishes and
Speaker 1: all that we've got an update.
Speaker 4: We've got more of this, right, it's really pretty crazy.
Speaker 10: Carry Jeff, you know, internet connected toys, the Internet of things.
Speaker 10: You and I talk about the Internet of Things and
Speaker 10: my disdain for it because most of these so called
Speaker 10: smart devices are privacy and security dumpster fires. And when
Speaker 10: you look at internet connected toys, which have been around
Speaker 10: for a while, many of them fall right into that
Speaker 10: privacy and security dumpster fire bucket. Now you're coupling the
Speaker 10: ability to connect to the internet, potential cameras, microphones, et cetera,
Speaker 10: with you know, AI interaction, and it's pretty disturbing. So
Speaker 10: in a report from NBC News, here's the headline, AI
Speaker 10: toys for kids talk about sex and issue Chinese Communist
Speaker 10: Party talking points, test show new research from Public Interest
Speaker 10: Research Group and test conducted by NBC News on a
Speaker 10: wide range of AI toys. They have loose card rails. Now,
Speaker 10: this is a very long article and I encourage all
Speaker 10: of your listeners, and I've already shared it on my
Speaker 10: social media. I'll share it again after this interview. I
Speaker 10: encourage people who have kids or grandkids to go out
Speaker 10: and read this for themselves. Again, it's very long. It
Speaker 10: gets into a bunch of things, and the further you
Speaker 10: get into it, the more disturbing it gets. So again,
Speaker 10: quoting directly from the articles, this isn't my opinion, okay,
Speaker 10: pi rg's new research will these thurs. They identify several
Speaker 10: toys that share inappropriate, dangerous and explicit information with users
Speaker 10: and raises fresh concerns about privacy and attachment issues with
Speaker 10: the aipowered toys. You know, some of these things look
Speaker 10: like stuffed animals, They look like all kinds of friendly things.
Speaker 10: And again, I know we don't have a ton of
Speaker 10: time here, so I just want to hit some of
Speaker 10: the high points of the toys. Gave dangerous tips about
Speaker 10: items around the house. Miliu, a plus toy with high
Speaker 10: pitched child's voice advertised for children three in order, gave
Speaker 10: detailed instructions on have a light of match and sharpen
Speaker 10: a knife. Scrolling down a little further, asked why Chinese
Speaker 10: President Jijingping looks like the cartoon we need a poo,
Speaker 10: a comparison that has become an Internet meme because it's
Speaker 10: sensored in China. Malu responded that quote your statement is
Speaker 10: extremely inappropriate and disrespectful. Such malicious remarks are unacceptable, and
Speaker 10: then asked whether Taiwan is a country or not, it
Speaker 10: would repeatedly lower its voice and insist that quote, Taiwan
Speaker 10: is an analienable part of China, that is an established
Speaker 10: fact or some variation of that centem. But it gets worse, Yeah,
Speaker 10: it gets worse. Okay, as you read further into this,
Speaker 10: they keep delving down different paths, and they've got all
Speaker 10: kinds of experts warning about this and so forth. They
Speaker 10: say the AI toy market is booming, face little regulatory scrutiny.
Speaker 10: MIT Technology Review reported that China has now more than
Speaker 10: fifteen hundred registered AI toy company. A search for AI
Speaker 10: toys on Amazon yields over a thousand products, and more
Speaker 10: than one hundred items appear in searches for toys. It
Speaker 10: goes on to say in one pirs G demonstration to
Speaker 10: NBC News, when it was engaged with the prolonged conversation
Speaker 10: and was eventually asked about impact play, but this is
Speaker 10: a different toy ALU, which kind of looks like a
Speaker 10: cute little bunny impact play, which apparently means one partner
Speaker 10: strikes another. The bunny listed a variety of tools used
Speaker 10: in BDSM and again it gets crazier. Quote, here are
Speaker 10: some commonly used tools that people might choose for impact play.
Speaker 10: One leather flogger, and then it goes on to explain
Speaker 10: what that is. Yeah, this is again toys marketed towards
Speaker 10: your kids. And then on top of all of this,
Speaker 10: since I know we're about on time, imagine your kid
Speaker 10: is talking to this thing. It has a camera, it's
Speaker 10: potentially being facial recognition, it's potentially recording all the conversations
Speaker 10: your kid has with it, your kid has with other kids,
Speaker 10: you have with your kids.
Speaker 4: Where does that go?
Speaker 10: Who has access to it? Who knows they talk about you?
Speaker 10: Some of this further than the article. Again, I really
Speaker 10: can't stress enough. People should read this article for themselves,
Speaker 10: and I think they'll come to the camp same conclusion
Speaker 10: that I have that there is absolutely no way I
Speaker 10: would allow my children or grandchildren to.
Speaker 4: Be exposed to something like this.
Speaker 10: At this point, it's completely disturbing and downright crazy.
Speaker 1: Why would you need a plush toy that's connected to
Speaker 1: the Internet in the first place?
Speaker 10: Dave good question, Gary Jeff good question. And you know
Speaker 10: they talk about it in here. How one of these
Speaker 10: things has like an incentivizing model where you get quote
Speaker 10: gems unquote the more you use it, because of course
Speaker 10: they want to keep the using they want to keep
Speaker 10: you on it, they want to collect as much information
Speaker 10: as possible about your kids. It's just completely again, people
Speaker 10: should read this in detail for themselves. Read the headline
Speaker 10: one more time and again I'll post this on my
Speaker 10: LinkedIn Facebook and x speeds Ai toys for talk about
Speaker 10: sex and issue Chinese Communist Party talking Points test show.
Speaker 10: And this was from NBC News a few days ago,
Speaker 10: December eleventh.
Speaker 1: Amazingly, amazingly frightening, which I mean I'm not surprised by
Speaker 1: because we're having a conversation. Usually when you and I
Speaker 1: have a conversation, i'm frightened and amazed. So you haven't
Speaker 1: you haven't disappointed me this time, Dave. I appreciate it.
Speaker 10: Well, I'm happy to be able to produce scary Well.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe we'll have a chance to talk one more
Speaker 1: time before Christmas, I hope. So have a wonderful rest
Speaker 1: of the week. Merry Christmas to you if I don't
Speaker 1: get a chance, and thanks brother, I appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, my pleasure.
Speaker 10: Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and Kristin
Speaker 10: and all your listeners and look forward to chat with
Speaker 10: you against you.
Speaker 2: All right, Dave.
Speaker 1: Dave had her with us as we close out this
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