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Speaker 1: and gentlemen, This is Andy Furman with Gary Jeff on

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Speaker 3: He finished as one of two quarterbacks in the NFL history.

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Speaker 1: Two of it is maybe Andy the losing paired with uh,

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Speaker 4: What I'm embarrassing.

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Speaker 1: What I'm wondering is is the entire Cincinnati sports environment bengalized?

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Speaker 7: You know what, I think there's more of a of

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Speaker 3: know what I mean. He ain't playing April, you're also

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Speaker 3: Every game means so much, and they've seen so much

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Speaker 3: He kind of a bad game. They've just tool when

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Speaker 3: that's going to be a yearly thing. It doesn't work

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Speaker 3: the Skins? Look at your Kansas City cheese.

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Speaker 8: It's over.

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Speaker 1: Oh oh Andy, I'm glad you brought up the Chiefs

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Speaker 1: And rooting the Super Bowls.

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Speaker 5: You're going to stop ruining it.

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Speaker 6: No, no, no.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm just saying that that ride, that ride I'm

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Speaker 4: He's twenty nine years of age. He's going to be

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Speaker 3: Marino man, Marino wants to want Super Bowl and that

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Speaker 3: was dominant in the National Football League. But I'll tell

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Speaker 3: mean like the Bengals, you know, the hired of guy

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Speaker 3: There's a good guy, he's a good father, he's just

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Speaker 3: And I think you have to make the right pick.

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Speaker 3: And if I was, if I was general manager or

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Speaker 3: You know what he said, He said, what do you

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Speaker 4: And the media was asking him.

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Speaker 3: He said, you know, I expect I expect to win.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I expect to win.

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Speaker 3: That's the same thing Bob Hawkins said when he came

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Speaker 3: They went to then and you.

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Speaker 1: Never got this out is Zach Taylor when the Bengals

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Speaker 1: He said, produce, so produce sucks and and he was right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, do you want a guy like that to

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Speaker 3: you translate that, how you sell it, how you sell

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Speaker 1: I just found it ironic that on the sideline on Sunday,

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Speaker 3: Since that you wearing that shirt, maybe to the unemployment.

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Speaker 3: So I hate to say that. I hate to say.

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Speaker 3: I look, I've been down that road.

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Speaker 2: You've been too.

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Speaker 3: When you work in radio, you're going to get canned.

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Speaker 5: That's the name what happens.

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Speaker 3: And it's not a pleasant thing. And I don't want

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Speaker 3: I mean, you're not going to keep him on if

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Speaker 3: going to give them a silliary position, which is embarrassing.

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Speaker 3: But honestly, if you don't do the job, I mean,

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry. If you didn't do the job at seven hundred,

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Speaker 2: Coming up on twenty nine. That's that's for sure. So

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Speaker 4: Birthday, Yes it is, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: What's wonderful? What are you doing? What did you do

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Speaker 3: Well, honestly, I was supposed to get an MRI, but

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Speaker 3: like I said, a different hospital. So my birthday present

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, maybe you can get it on the

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Speaker 2: You can just get it, I would.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe I'll do that.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, And you have a telescoop you could

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Speaker 1: I don't know. And maybe maybe you can buy some

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Speaker 2: The back of the truck.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I tell you what this insurance thing is driving me nuts.

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Speaker 3: I know nothing about it, but I just assumed that

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Speaker 4: I don't understand this.

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Speaker 2: But to get worse is only going to get worse.

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Speaker 2: Believe believe you me, you know, and I don't know

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Speaker 2: if you know this.

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Speaker 3: My wife's not a citizen. My wife's Canadian, okay, and

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Speaker 4: I really am.

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Speaker 1: Well, every everything's free, but you've got to wait like

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Speaker 1: six months.

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Speaker 3: So what I'm waiting now? I'm waiting? Now what's the difference?

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Speaker 2: All right, fur ball?

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Speaker 1: Good luck on your hamm And by the way, if

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Speaker 3: Did you have an MRI machine down your basement. I'll

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Speaker 2: Take care, brother.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show, Todd. How are you this evening?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great. Thanks for having me again, Gary. Oh

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Speaker 1: you bet anytime. I mean, I have returned guests back

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Speaker 1: because I had a good time myself the first time,

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Speaker 1: and I felt like we actually talked about something, because

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Speaker 1: so much of talk radio is just is just conjecture

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Speaker 1: and rumor and all the rest of that stuff. And

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Speaker 1: who knows, we may engage in a little bit of

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Speaker 1: that too, But in fact, you had peace today. Reading

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Speaker 1: the tea leaves the political tea leaves of where we're

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Speaker 1: going as we approach a new year, a midterm year,

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Speaker 1: the first midterm of President Trump's second term. We know

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Speaker 1: what happened the first time around. Where do you see

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Speaker 1: far as far as those go, Todd has been that

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Speaker 1: if it were a traditionally blue enclave, it's remaining blue.

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Speaker 1: Are you getting that sense too, or is there some

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Speaker 1: great to see change happening? And are the Democrats hitting

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Speaker 1: their mark about making things affordable. Well, they don't seem

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Speaker 1: like in New York. What are your tea leaves reading

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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 9: Tod Yeah, I think the administration are the party. The

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Speaker 9: Republican Party is going through a challenging period here. I think,

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Speaker 9: like you said, it's important not to make too much

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Speaker 9: of elections, you know, like mom Donnie in New York

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Speaker 5: Kind of thing.

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Speaker 9: But I think given the overall picture, what I'm sensing

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Speaker 6: I think the biggest issue.

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Speaker 9: Here comes down to the economy and affordability. Maybe I'd

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Speaker 6: But I think, you know, from the economy's perspective, but

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Speaker 9: Far and away the largest economy in the world. It's

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Speaker 9: effectively the biggest ocean liner out there on the seas.

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Speaker 9: And unfortunately, and not because of Trump, this.

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Speaker 5: Is something that he inherited.

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Speaker 9: You know, We've been sailing into and deeper into troubled

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Speaker 6: It's going to take some time.

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Speaker 9: And I think people probably generally understand that we've had

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Speaker 9: a couple of good indicators. There were some really strong

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Speaker 9: translated into jobs yet, and that's what people really want

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Speaker 9: to see, you know.

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Speaker 6: I think if they.

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Speaker 9: Hear that the economy is growing and GDP is strong,

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Speaker 9: but they're not seeing it in the job market.

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Speaker 6: Then they still feel like, Okay.

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Speaker 9: Well maybe things are getting better, but it's still not

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Speaker 9: an economy that's working for me. So I think that's

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Speaker 9: the biggest thing that the administration is dealing with, along

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Speaker 9: with the affordability issues, which I also think.

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Speaker 2: Are very real.

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Speaker 10: Well.

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Speaker 1: Scott Besant has said that he expects the first six

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Speaker 1: brought into this country with no vetting by the millions,

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Speaker 1: by the tens of millions during the Joe Biden administration,

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Speaker 1: and that brought rent up. It brought all kinds of

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Speaker 1: get to affordability. Yeah, groceries and gas, which I think

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Speaker 1: the Trump administration has got.

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Speaker 2: To handle on now.

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Speaker 1: We just saw today the delayed jobs report numbers for November.

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Speaker 1: They came in stronger than expected, with sixty four thousand

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Speaker 1: and the unemployment ticked up to four point six percent.

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Speaker 1: But we had a labor participation rate of almost sixty

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Speaker 1: three percent, which is pretty strong. Would you agree with that?

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Speaker 9: Yes, I do, And I share Scott Besson's optimism about

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Speaker 9: the first half of next year. You know, I think,

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Speaker 9: like we were just talking about, we saw a couple

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Speaker 9: then the government shut down, clearly, you know, curtailed that trend.

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Speaker 9: But there's every even to believe that heading into next year,

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Speaker 9: we could be looking at very strong numbers. I think

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Speaker 9: the second third quarters are going to be critical in

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Speaker 5: Also, you have to remember we're.

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Speaker 9: Also working against significant amounts of federal workers that are

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Speaker 9: finally rolling off of the employment rules, and that goes

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Speaker 9: back to the efforts, you know, with those that.

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Speaker 5: Were being made earlier this year.

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Speaker 9: So there's a number of reasons for optimism, and hopefully

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Speaker 9: these things will all kick in in the early part

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Speaker 9: of next year.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like part of a big part of

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Speaker 5: Well, it certainly didn't help, But for me, I always

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Speaker 9: Monetary economist in history was Milton Friedman, and his famous

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Speaker 9: saying was that inflation is always in everywhere a monetary problem.

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Speaker 5: So when you see prolonged.

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Speaker 6: Rates of inflation over an extended.

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Speaker 5: Period of time, like we had during the Biden administration.

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Speaker 9: That's because the FED is printing money faster then the

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Speaker 9: real economy is growing. And so you could have short

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Speaker 9: term impacts from things like the immigration, which I think

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Speaker 9: I'm sure it did impact things for a while, you know,

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Speaker 9: or if the labor markets get tight. But if you

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Speaker 9: see sustained excess inflation over a period of time, it's

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Speaker 9: because of the FED.

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Speaker 6: I think that's.

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Speaker 5: Where the real problem is.

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Speaker 9: I wrote in a recent substack piece to paraphrase the

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Speaker 9: old James Carville Clinton line where they used to say

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Speaker 9: it's the economy stupid.

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Speaker 5: The comment I made was, you.

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Speaker 6: Know, when it comes to inflation, it's the FED.

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Speaker 9: And so I think that's the core issue, and we've

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Speaker 6: To want the FED to push these rates so.

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Speaker 9: Low that we continue dealing with that problem.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, do you think there will be a new

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Speaker 1: FED chair here at the beginning of the year. That's

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Speaker 1: what the rumors are. Jerome Powell will be out and

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Speaker 1: there'll be a new head of the FED in twenty six.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I think there's no question that's going to happen.

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Speaker 9: We'll probably see an announcement fairly soon. My hope is

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Speaker 9: that they will be a little tougher or a lot

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Speaker 9: tougher than I think Trump wants them to be. I think,

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Speaker 9: you know, Trump is a growth guy. That's a great thing.

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Speaker 9: We be the growth guy in the White House right now.

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Speaker 9: But the ideal thing to me is that we get

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Speaker 9: economic growth going with very close to stable prices because

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Speaker 9: we've leaned on the FED for too many administrations have

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Speaker 9: leaned on the FED for too long, and it's created

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Speaker 9: a lot of the problems that we've.

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Speaker 5: Had to deal with here.

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Speaker 6: So I'd like to see the FED actually get a

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Speaker 6: little tougher and tighter with interest rate.

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Speaker 1: My Congressman Thomas Massey thinks the FED shouldn't exist.

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Speaker 2: Is that a good idea or a bad idea?

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Speaker 6: I completely agree.

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Speaker 9: The greatest growth, the greatest upward mobility, the greatest ability

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Speaker 9: to absorb migration in a way that was healthy for

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Speaker 9: our economy, for our citizens, and for all the people

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Speaker 9: trying to escape dysfunctional systems abroad came from eighteen hundred

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Speaker 9: to nineteen thirty, and for the vast majority of that

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Speaker 9: we did not have a Federal Reserve, and we had

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Speaker 9: a gold standard, which limited the ability of the federal

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Speaker 9: government to play all these monetary games which in the

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Speaker 9: end to me create far more problems than they solve.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, that's the political leaves, and what do

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Speaker 1: you think the chances are that the Republicans hold even

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Speaker 1: a narrow margin in the lead when we get done

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Speaker 1: counting votes in November of next year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I think it all depends on the economy and job creation.

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Speaker 9: I think if if Bethant is right, and I think

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Speaker 9: like we talked about, I think there's a very good.

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Speaker 6: Chance he is, and things really start kicking in.

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Speaker 9: For six months at least by the second quarter of

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Speaker 9: next year, and the jobs are going I think you're

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Speaker 9: going to see a lot of support for the policies that.

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Speaker 5: This administration is employing.

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Speaker 9: I think if they don't, you know, there's going to

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Speaker 9: be people who are very susceptible to the mom Donnie

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Speaker 9: like you know, promise of let's make everything free, that's

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Speaker 9: the solution. We know it's not the solution, but people

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Speaker 9: are susceptible to that when they feel like things aren't

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Speaker 9: working for him.

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Speaker 1: What do you think the impact of AI We know

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Speaker 1: what it could be. I mean, it could be the

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Speaker 1: elimination of got millions of jobs depending on how this goes,

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Speaker 1: or it could be just the next you know, technological

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Speaker 1: kind of improvement that does improve our lives and make

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Speaker 1: us more efficient. What are the chances that AI and

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Speaker 1: the burgeoning growth of AI stunts Trump's plans for growing

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Speaker 1: the economy.

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Speaker 9: I think there's maybe a tiny bit of risk on

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Speaker 9: that side of things, but I'm very very optimistic about

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Speaker 9: what happens with AI. I mean, we've got basically all

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Speaker 9: of human history that shows us that technological developments and

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Speaker 9: improvements and efficiency gains are the key to creating a better,

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Speaker 9: more healthy economy, one that makes us more competitive in

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Speaker 9: the world marketplace, which puts us in a better position

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Speaker 9: from trade, It makes are workers more valuable, and so

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Speaker 9: I think this is going to fall into the same

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Speaker 9: category that we've seen in everything from the industrial revolution,

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Speaker 9: you know, to the assembly line, to the technolo you know,

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Speaker 9: the computer revolution, the information revolution, all.

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Speaker 5: These different things.

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Speaker 9: It might take a little while, but I'm very optimistic

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Speaker 9: that it's going to be a very powerful tool that

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Speaker 9: will enhance life, make us more predictive, productive.

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Speaker 5: And basically lead to a better system for us.

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Speaker 1: Do we need Todd sheets to figure out something with

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Speaker 1: these expiring Obamacare health subsidies. I mean, they're ready to

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Speaker 1: run out here in just a matter of days now,

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Speaker 1: and people are looking at the proposed premiums for next

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Speaker 1: year through the Obamacare exchanges in their own insurance, if

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Speaker 1: they have their own insurance. The Republicans have talked about

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Speaker 1: cost sharing and have a bill introduced on the House floor.

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Speaker 1: I guess Mike Johnson said tomorrow he's expecting this, this

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Speaker 1: real affordable healthcare bill to replace it. The fact of

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Speaker 1: the matter is there is still a slim margin of Republicans,

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Speaker 1: but not enough in the Senate to get something, you know,

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Speaker 1: pushed through. What's going to happen with healthcare in this

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Speaker 1: country and the premiums that just keep rising beyond people's means.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, so I think that you pointed out two great

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Speaker 9: issues here. We've got a short term issue with with

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Speaker 9: what to do about these expiring subsidies, and then we've

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Speaker 9: got a longer term issue, which is we've got to

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Speaker 9: solve the healthcare issues, which Obamacare clearly has not done,

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Speaker 9: if anything, has made them worse. And so my politically

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Speaker 9: realistic assessment in the short term would be I would

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Speaker 9: kind of expect.

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Speaker 6: To see us extend the.

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Speaker 9: Subsidies with some hard income caps at a reasonable level

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Speaker 9: so that you know, if you're over.

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Speaker 6: Let's just say, I'm not saying this has to be.

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Speaker 9: The number one hundred and forty one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 9: thousand dollars a year, you're going to lose the subsidies,

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Speaker 9: which they were intended to go away in the beginning.

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Speaker 9: You know, this wasn't supposed to be a permanent feature.

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Speaker 9: Is supposed to help everybody through COVID at the lower

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Speaker 9: income levels. We're on top of all the other affordability

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Speaker 9: issues that people are dealing with. We create something.

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Speaker 5: Like a one year extension, not a.

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Speaker 9: Three year extension like the Democrats are looking for a

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Speaker 9: one year extension, and then that gives the administration some

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Speaker 9: time to tackle the bigger issue that you were addressing there,

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Speaker 9: which is what can we do longer term to rein

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Speaker 9: in kind of the uncontrolled growth that.

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Speaker 6: We have in this systems becoming.

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Speaker 9: More and more dominated by the government, you know, which

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Speaker 9: is going to lead to rationing and those kinds of things.

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Speaker 9: If we end up in a single payer system, and

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Speaker 9: it gives us a little more time to focus on

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Speaker 9: a bigger solution for the problem.

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Speaker 1: Know, the drumbeat in the first Trump administration was repeal

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Speaker 1: and replace, and they just couldn't get it done. I

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Speaker 1: guess it was the the John McCain vote or whatever

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Speaker 1: that that came down in the Senate when when you know,

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Speaker 1: he gave the thumbs down. And uh so, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's not like you talk about the Republicans buying themselves

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Speaker 1: more time with the year extension of these Unaffordable Careless

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Speaker 1: Act subsidies that were kicked in during COVID. The Republicans

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Speaker 1: seemed to me like they they've had plenty of time

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Speaker 1: to come up with something todd.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and they haven't done it.

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Speaker 9: And yeah, I did that, I mean, and yeah, and

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Speaker 9: but at some point somebody has to do this, and

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Speaker 9: and and and at some point, you know, somebody got

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Speaker 9: to take the case to the American people and just say,

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Speaker 9: you know, hey, we are either going to deal with

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Speaker 9: this proactively and intelligently, or we're going to wait until

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Speaker 9: this eats up all of the economic wealth in the system.

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Speaker 9: You know, and we're dealing under duress where we just

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Speaker 9: can't keep borrowing the money that it takes to fund

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Speaker 9: the cost of all these programs, and so I think

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Speaker 9: it's worth you know, you've got to try this, I

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Speaker 9: think every four years or so, and somebody's got to

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Speaker 9: make a real focus and we've got to tackle these

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Speaker 9: things that it goes it's Obamacare.

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Speaker 5: But you know, the reality is.

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Speaker 9: And Trump has so far said, probably because of what

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Speaker 9: happened in his first administration, he doesn't want to deal with.

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Speaker 5: It, which I understand.

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Speaker 6: But at some point somebody is going to have to.

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Speaker 9: Deal with Medicare and Medicaid because all of these things

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Speaker 9: they dominate the budget and they are on unsustainable tracks,

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Speaker 9: and so I think it's something that at some point

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Speaker 9: we've just got to step up and try again.

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Speaker 1: And the key to Todd is they are.

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Speaker 2: Both rife with fraud.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Mike Johnson was talking about this this morning and he

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Speaker 1: talked about the sixty eight thousand Social Security numbers had

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Speaker 1: been used by multiple people in multiple states to get

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Speaker 1: these subsidies. And I mean, this is billions of dollars

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Speaker 1: coming out of the system for real claims and real

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Speaker 1: people that that has got to be addressed. And I

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Speaker 1: think that's the first thing they need to address, is

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Speaker 1: how do you rid the system of all this fraud.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, and you know, I think some of this goes

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Speaker 9: back to those which I think at some point we

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Speaker 9: need to try that again, because you know, weeding out waste,

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Speaker 9: fraud and abuse should be a bipartisan objective of everybody. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 9: the Democrats.

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Speaker 5: You know, when you.

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Speaker 9: Decide that the person that's getting elected by a majority

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Speaker 9: of the population is Hitler.

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Speaker 6: You basically take a stance.

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Speaker 5: That you're going to fight them on everything that they do.

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Speaker 5: And they did that with dose.

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Speaker 9: But at some point, I think we've got to go

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Speaker 9: back and fight waste fraud and abuse in the healthcare

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Speaker 9: programs if you've just suggested, and throughout the federal government.

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Speaker 9: So that, because that is the best way to deal

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Speaker 9: with the fiscal issues and problems that we have out there,

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Speaker 9: other than growth, you know, growing the economy is probably.

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Speaker 4: The best way.

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Speaker 9: The second best way is to deal with waste, fraud

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Speaker 9: and abuse, because that's in everybody's interest, no matter what

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Speaker 9: color tie you wear to work each day, except for

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Speaker 9: the fraudsters.

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Speaker 1: It's in everybody's interest exactly, except for the criminals.

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Speaker 2: All right, go ahead, how do.

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Speaker 6: You say there's no shortage of those in Washington either,

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Speaker 6: which is part of.

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Speaker 1: The problem, right, it's a huge part of the problem.

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Speaker 1: The fish rots from the head down and all of that.

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Speaker 1: Todd Sheets. Look for his newsletter on Wealth and Progress.

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Speaker 1: Just type that in on your search on Wealth and

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Speaker 1: Progress by Todd Sheets and you can find his wonderful

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Speaker 1: papers there. Todd, thank you for spending some time with

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Speaker 1: us again tonight, and fruitful conversation.

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Speaker 2: I appreciated. Thank you.

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Speaker 5: It's always a pleasure.

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Speaker 2: You got it. Todd Sheets with us on the Nightcap.

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Speaker 2: And there's still more to come.

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Speaker 1: Wake of the Bondei Beach massacre in Australia, in the

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Speaker 1: wake of Islamist terrorist and jee hottest attacks all over

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Speaker 1: the world, which are increasing seemingly by the day, I

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Speaker 1: thought it would be good to bring in a guy

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Speaker 1: who's one of his New York Times best selling book

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Speaker 1: of the Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and the Crusades

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Speaker 1: and the Truth about Muhammad. He's a director of Jihad

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Speaker 1: Watch and a Oman Fellow at the David Horowitz Freedom Center.

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Speaker 1: And he is our guest now, Robert Spencer. Good evening

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the Nightcap.

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Speaker 2: How are you.

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Speaker 8: Very well saying how are you?

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Speaker 2: You know what?

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Speaker 1: I'm great but I look at what's going on in

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Speaker 1: the world around us, and all of it seems to

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Speaker 1: be at least to me. It's kind of like a

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Speaker 1: self injury that these countries have been inflicting on their

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Speaker 1: people by their ignorance and ignorance of a real threat

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Speaker 1: that they've allowed to metastasize in their countries, and Australia

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Speaker 1: is one of those countries. Any government that these days

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Speaker 1: calls for a two state solution in the Middle East

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Speaker 1: is just inviting more of this. And I just wanted

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Speaker 1: to get your thumbnail thoughts before we get into what

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Speaker 1: else is happening in other places around the world because

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Speaker 1: of the unchecked Islamist threat.

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Speaker 8: Robert Well, I couldn't agree more. That's exactly what's happening.

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Speaker 8: This attack at Bondi Beach in Sydney would never have

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Speaker 8: taken place if it hadn't been for the Australian government's

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Speaker 8: appeasement of its Islamic community and for the existence of

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Speaker 8: that Islamic community in the first place, which is the

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Speaker 8: result of the Left program of mass migration of Muslims

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Speaker 8: into Australia as well as into Europe and North America.

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Speaker 8: And so none of this had to happen. The Left

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Speaker 8: has brought it on the West and now we got

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Speaker 8: to deal with it well.

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Speaker 1: And the thing is too, in the wake of this

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Speaker 1: horrible tragedy an Ahonica celebration on a beach in Australia,

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Speaker 1: the Prime Minister and the Australian government rightly says they

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Speaker 1: have to address anti Semitism, But then at the same

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Speaker 1: time they part with we've got to address Islamophobia too.

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Speaker 1: Is that out of fear, Because the last time I

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Speaker 1: checked my news feeds, the last time I saw anything

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Speaker 1: happening around the world, Jews were not attacking Muslims and

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Speaker 1: people who love freedom and Western culture. We're not trying

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Speaker 1: to tear down Islam. It only seems to be very,

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Speaker 1: very one sided. And it's like these people are operating blind, deaf,

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Speaker 1: dumb and blind in the wake of a real threat.

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Speaker 1: And it seems like we're not doing much better in

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Speaker 1: our country.

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Speaker 8: No, it's the same here, it's just not quite as

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Speaker 8: far along. But you have the same situation of denial

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Speaker 8: and willful ignorance. And yes, it is out of fear

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Speaker 8: that they don't want to say what's really happening, and

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Speaker 8: they don't want to say we're going to fight anty Semitism,

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Speaker 8: and we're also going to fight against Islamic g hot activity.

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Speaker 8: They don't even want to admit that there is such

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Speaker 8: a thing as Islamic g hot activity, and they do

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Speaker 8: not do so, you know, no Western country, including the

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Speaker 8: United States, admits that there is such a thing and

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Speaker 8: has any program to counter it. And this is because

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Speaker 8: they're afraid of offending Muslims and they want Muslim votes,

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Speaker 8: and they only have Muslim votes because they've brought them

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Speaker 8: in with their mass migration policies. And meanwhile, Islam does

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Speaker 8: teach warfare against unbelievers. It does teach that Muslims have

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Speaker 8: to fight them until they submit to a second class

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Speaker 8: status or convert to Islam. And that's going to keep

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Speaker 8: happening and going to keep resulting in violence against non Muslims,

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Speaker 8: and the longer we ignore it, the worse it's going

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Speaker 8: to get.

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Speaker 1: And Christianity, on the other hand, which I'm a Christian,

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Speaker 1: teaches to love your enemies and to forgive your enemies.

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Speaker 1: So there's definitely a diametrically opposed set of ideals at

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Speaker 1: play in these two faiths, and Judaism as well, and

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Speaker 1: to have it happen during Hanukkah. Do you think that

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Speaker 1: there are more coordinated attacks coming soon.

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Speaker 8: Robert, Yeah, I wouldn't be the least surprised. It wasn't

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Speaker 8: an accident that it happens during Hanukah anymore than it's

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Speaker 8: an accident that so many Christmas markets have been hit

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Speaker 8: in Europe. This is because they want to make war

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Speaker 8: against Jews and Christians in particular. That's what the Koran says,

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Speaker 8: fight against the people of the book, that's Jews and

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Speaker 8: Christians until they pay the jizia, which is a tax

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Speaker 8: with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. So there are

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Speaker 8: going to be more attacks during Honkah or during other

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Speaker 8: Jewish holy days. There are going to be more attacks

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Speaker 8: at Christmas, at Easter. Remember at Easter in Sri Lanka

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Speaker 8: a few years back, there was an attack in a church.

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Speaker 8: Several hundred people were murdered.

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Speaker 2: And this is all the.

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Speaker 8: Same Islamic tihad that nobody wants to acknowledge even exists.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about one of your most recent books, one

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Speaker 1: of the thirty two best sellers, Holy Hell, Islam's abuse

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Speaker 1: of women and the infidels who enable it.

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Speaker 8: That is yet another aspect of this issue, and that

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Speaker 8: is the fact that the Koran, the Holy Book of Islam,

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Speaker 8: teaches that Muslims can take Infidel women and use them sexually,

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Speaker 8: in other words, essentially as sex slaves. And this people

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Speaker 8: don't even believe it when I tell them, But it's.

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Speaker 5: In the Koran.

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Speaker 8: I show in the book how not only is it

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Speaker 8: in the Koran, but Muslims are acting upon it on

891
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Speaker 8: a massive scale. Hundreds of thousands of girls in Britain

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Speaker 8: have been victimized while authorities were afraid to act because

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Speaker 8: they were afraid of being called Islamophobic. And it also

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Speaker 8: happened all over Europe and elsewhere. And the book is

895
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Speaker 8: about this and about how the authorities are afraid to

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Speaker 8: confront it. Really it's the same thing we're talking about here.

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Speaker 8: They're afraid to confront that, and they're afraid to confront

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Speaker 8: Islamic giod And.

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Speaker 1: It's not just Isis or Islamic Jihad or any of

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Speaker 1: these groups. The FBI just foiled a New Year's planned

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Speaker 1: attack New Year's Eve planned attack out in California by

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Speaker 1: something called the Turtle Island Liberation Front, which is a

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Speaker 1: Free Palestine group. I mean, there are all kinds of

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Speaker 1: manifestations of this is what I'm getting at. You don't

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Speaker 1: necessarily have to be from Syria or from any of

906
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Speaker 1: these Islamic countries to come and do this kind of

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Speaker 1: terrorism in different places around the world. There are home

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Speaker 1: grown Islamic terrorists now that have been They have been,

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Speaker 1: you know, convinced that this is their path, I guess

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Speaker 1: for lack of any other kind of substance in their lives.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but they've been radicalized in that way.

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Speaker 1: And I mean because none of the people I saw

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Speaker 1: in the FBI photos were people that I would instantly expect.

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Speaker 1: I mean Islamic terror. Islamis terror comes in all kinds

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Speaker 1: of different packages, and that's why we've got to be

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Speaker 1: constantly vigilant.

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Speaker 8: Right Well, my understanding, and I could be wrong, is

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Speaker 8: that those guys were Leftists. They certainly were acting in

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Speaker 8: accord with the aims of the Palestinian giod and the

920
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Speaker 8: left has been a willing and eager ally of Palestinian Jihatis.

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Speaker 8: But I'm not sure they were Muslims. Both the left

922
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Speaker 8: and Muslims. Jihadis in general, want to destroyed the West,

923
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Speaker 8: want to destroy the United States, and so they are

924
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Speaker 8: happy to make common cause on that. And the Turtle

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Speaker 8: Island business is something that I've seen. If you look

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Speaker 8: at the Students for Justice and Palestine website, it's the

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Speaker 8: Muslim group that menaces Jewish students and pro Israel students

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Speaker 8: on campuses all over the country, and they speak a

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Speaker 8: lot about occupied Turtle Island on their website. Turtle Island

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Speaker 8: is supposedly the name that Native Americans gave to the

931
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Speaker 8: North American continent. But in any case, that is a

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Speaker 8: manifestation as far as I know, of the leftist Islamic Alliance,

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Speaker 8: which in its own way is as dangerous as the

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Speaker 8: Islamic Jihat itself.

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Speaker 1: You have to wonder too, how many Islamic jihadist terrorists,

936
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Speaker 1: and we know of some, but how many came in

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Speaker 1: the wake of the great Biden Immigrantsation mistake or plan

938
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Speaker 1: to bring all these millions of people from around the

939
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Speaker 1: world into the United States without any vetting, without any

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Speaker 1: knowledge of who they are, and no way to really

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Speaker 1: vet all those people. I wonder how many terrorst cells

942
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Speaker 1: are within I don't know, fifty mile radius of me

943
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Speaker 1: in Cincinnati right now.

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Speaker 2: You've got to.

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Speaker 8: Hold me any number yeah, exactly, because the Biden administration

946
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Speaker 8: made no effort to determine whether these people were sympathetic

947
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Speaker 8: with the Jihad, whether they were active jihattis nothing, and

948
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Speaker 8: so it's really only a matter of time. The gi

949
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Speaker 8: hotties aren't stupid, and they could see the border was open,

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Speaker 8: and so they took advantage. And we know that there

951
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Speaker 8: were many, many people on the terror watch list who

952
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Speaker 8: made it over. Some of the estimates have been frankly

953
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Speaker 8: shocking in terms of the high number of people on

954
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Speaker 8: the terror watch list who are here now, and that

955
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Speaker 8: even those don't take into account the people who didn't

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Speaker 8: get caught and who made it into the country with

957
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Speaker 8: no problem. And unfortunately, given the fact that they bide

958
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Speaker 8: their time or very patient and work on the basis

959
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Speaker 8: of sleeper cells, we could be seeing the repercussions of

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Speaker 8: this for years to come.

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Speaker 1: Well, Robert Spencer, you mentioned that it's not as advanced

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Speaker 1: here in the United States as it has gotten in

963
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Speaker 1: Australia or in the UK or some of these other

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Speaker 1: countries where they have been apologetic and basically rolling out

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Speaker 1: the red carpet for jihad to come to their countries.

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Speaker 1: France once again is the symbol of the white flag

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Speaker 1: of surrender. Particularly Paris, they just canceled their New Year's

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Speaker 1: Eve celebrations. And this is something that Paris has been

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Speaker 1: famous for over the last sixty five seventy years, is

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Speaker 1: it not.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's going on since the nineteen sixties. And it

972
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Speaker 8: was a beautiful celebration where they lit up the whole charm.

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Speaker 8: They leaves, the wonderful wide Avenue in the middle of

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Speaker 8: Paris lit up brightly and gaily. It was, of course

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Speaker 8: something you can only do in a country that's not

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Speaker 8: under siege. But now France is under siege, and so

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Speaker 8: they are canceling this and it made me wonder when

978
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Speaker 8: I saw the news, what do they think it's going

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Speaker 8: to be like in five or ten years. They think

980
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Speaker 8: they're just going to pick it up again then and

981
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Speaker 8: resume doing the things that they've always done. It's not

982
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Speaker 8: going to be that easy because they're not dealing with

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Speaker 8: the root of the problem. They're not dealing with the

984
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Speaker 8: problem of jihad or the problem of the many numbers

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Speaker 8: of jihattis that they also had brought in to their country,

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Speaker 8: and so this problem is only going to get worse

987
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Speaker 8: from them.

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Speaker 5: It's not going to get better.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I don't think it's far fetched to

990
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Speaker 1: maybe in ten years see Notre Dame be converted into

991
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Speaker 1: a mosque. I mean, it really is that. And it's

992
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Speaker 1: again because of the mass flood of Islamic migration that

993
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Speaker 1: was allowed to happen by France, by England.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: I talked to somebody who has been going back and

996
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Speaker 1: forth to London on a regular basis over the last

997
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Speaker 1: twenty years, and she told me that London is unrecognizable

998
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Speaker 1: in many places because of the influence of the influx

999
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Speaker 1: and the influence of Islam and these kinds of precess

1000
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Speaker 1: I mean, there's steps away from Sharia law in parts

1001
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Speaker 1: of London and England right now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I was last in London in two thousand and nine,

1004
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Speaker 8: which is sixteen almost seventeen years ago now, and I

1005
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Speaker 8: remember taking long walks because of the kind of work

1006
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Speaker 8: I do. I was going into mosques all over London

1007
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Speaker 8: and walking around in East London, which is the heavily

1008
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Speaker 8: Muslim area, and found that there are stretches whole streets

1009
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Speaker 8: neighborhoods where you'd think you were in Pakistan, that there's

1010
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 8: nothing visible anywhere around you that gives you any indication

1011
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 8: that you're actually in England. And that was sixteen years ago.

1012
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Speaker 8: I imagine it's much worse now.

1013
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:35,879
Speaker 1: Ye when you're hearing chance of gas the Jews in Australia.

1014
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: It's really no wonder that this has occurred now, this

1015
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: massacre at Bandai Beach.

1016
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Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely no, not at all. And see this is

1017
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Speaker 8: something that is also right on directly the fault of

1018
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 8: the leftist government that they coddled the people who were

1019
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 8: coming out after the October seventh Gihat mass and acting

1020
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Speaker 8: as if these people were entirely reasonable and entirely right

1021
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Speaker 8: to be protesting and falsely charging Israel with genocide and

1022
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 8: all this business. And they made it clear that they

1023
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 8: could essentially run free with no repercussions. And so the

1024
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Speaker 8: fact that these elements are allied with jihadis only meant

1025
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Speaker 8: that there was going to be violence, and now here

1026
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Speaker 8: we are nothing was more predictable.

1027
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: What what what would be a Robert Spencer kind of

1028
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: a solution to this? How how do we unwind what

1029
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: has wound up? And how do we save Western culture?

1030
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: How do we save Israel?

1031
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 8: Well, we have to make sure to make it clear

1032
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:52,399
Speaker 8: to everybody in our various countries that there's one law

1033
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 8: for everyone and that there's not going to be any

1034
00:53:55,840 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 8: more indulgence for other systems of law. Now you might

1035
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 8: think this is a bit far afield, but it's not.

1036
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Speaker 8: In the UK, Muslims have been allowed to establish what

1037
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 8: are what's essentially a parallel society with Sharia courts that

1038
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 8: have the highest authority in the country rather than I

1039
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Speaker 8: mean in the Muslim areas, rather than the law in

1040
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Speaker 8: the land. And so that has to all stop, and

1041
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 8: the people who are Muslims in all of our countries

1042
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 8: have to be made to understand that jihad you got

1043
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 8: to leave at the door. The misogyny you have to

1044
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 8: leave at the door, the anti Semitism you have to

1045
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 8: leave at the door. You're perfectly free to practice your

1046
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 8: religion in the United States and England and Australia and

1047
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 8: so on, but not at the expense of other existing

1048
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Speaker 8: laws or in a way that endangers other communities. And

1049
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Speaker 8: so that would be the first step. But there isn't

1050
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Speaker 8: even any politician as the guts to do that.

1051
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Speaker 1: I mean, what votes are they they looking to get?

1052
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:03,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't understand this. Maybe this goes broader

1053
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Speaker 1: than a politician have encouraged. Maybe it's a matter of

1054
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 1: just education of the public at mass to make them

1055
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: understand what's going on and what needs to be done

1056
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Speaker 1: to save us. Because well, there's no doubt that the sorry, well,

1057
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Speaker 1: I mean, because that's what's at stake. It's saving culture,

1058
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Speaker 1: it's saving a society. I mean because yes, because that

1059
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 1: branch of Islam is about world domination and about taking

1060
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Speaker 1: completely over. And I don't think that's absolutely true. And

1061
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Speaker 1: I don't think enough people understand that, Robert.

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Speaker 8: They don't, And as a matter of fact, when somebody

1063
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Speaker 8: tries to say it, he gets shot down. You take,

1064
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Speaker 8: for example, Senator Tommy Tuberville of Alabama, who just recently

1065
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Speaker 8: has started speaking honestly about Islam, and just yesterday we

1066
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Speaker 8: did a very strong statement, a statement I don't entirely

1067
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Speaker 8: agree with, where he said Islam is not a religion.

1068
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Speaker 8: I think it is a religion. It's just a political,

1069
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 8: supremacist and violent religion. But in any case, he went

1070
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Speaker 8: on to say that we have to fight against the

1071
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Speaker 8: Islamists in the United States, which is a word people

1072
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Speaker 8: usually use to refer to Jihadis or other people who

1073
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Speaker 8: want to bring Islamic law to the country, so you'd

1074
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Speaker 8: think nobody would have a problem with that, but he's

1075
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Speaker 8: just being inundated with people calling him Islamophobic and all that.

1076
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Speaker 1: Robert Spencer, I appreciate your time tonight and interviews like

1077
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Speaker 1: this can't hurt if somebody hears it and maybe further

1078
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 1: understands what the world is facing right now. Again, my

1079
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: condolences to anyone who lost their lives at the hands

1080
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Speaker 1: of these murderous people. And happy Hanukkah.

1081
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Speaker 4: Thank you very much.

1082
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Speaker 2: All right, thank you, Robert Spencer with us on the

1083
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Speaker 2: nightcap back after a break.

1084
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Speaker 11: There will be a big buzz in the arena when

1085
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Speaker 11: our basketball bear Cats look to handle the hornets of

1086
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Speaker 11: Alabama State. Can you see swarm the paint and swat

1087
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Speaker 11: away enough balls to come out victorious?

1088
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Speaker 2: To catch the call live.

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1091
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Speaker 2: Bad breath is a confidence killer.

1092
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Speaker 12: You could have the best outfit, the funniest jokes, but

1093
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Speaker 12: if your breath smells like the food you just ate,

1094
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Speaker 12: that's all people remember. Most gums and mints just cover

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Speaker 1: Run seven hundred w LW Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah. Harry

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Speaker 1: Jeff Walker spent the words out tonight as we get

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Speaker 1: you closer and closer to midnight and an hour closer

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Speaker 1: to Christmas. Joining us now is a man who is

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Speaker 1: an investigative reporter, I mean for years. He is the

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Speaker 1: author of non fiction books like The Great Pretense, A

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Speaker 1: Tour through the Boneyard of the CIA's War for Drugs,

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Speaker 1: Dispatches from the House of Death, are As, a cartel Informant,

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Speaker 1: a dea whistleblower, mass murder and cover Up on the

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Speaker 1: Edge of the Empire. Wow, that's a lengthy title. We

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Speaker 1: could probably talk about that title for the next twenty minutes.

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Speaker 1: Bill Bill Conroy joins his son the Nightcap about what's

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Speaker 1: going on right now with the Trump administration, the United

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Speaker 1: States and Maduro and Venezuela. Bill Conroy, welcome.

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Speaker 2: To the show.

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Speaker 4: Glad to be here, g for to having me on.

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Speaker 2: No doubt.

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Speaker 1: So the premise is basically according to President Trump and

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Speaker 1: the military, is this the coke boat strikes in the Caribbean.

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Speaker 1: And all of the things you've seen were about fentanyl

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Speaker 1: and drugs coming into this country. And while the precursors

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Speaker 1: from fentanyl coming from China did go to places like

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Speaker 1: Venezuela and Mexico, and that has been largely thwarted in

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Speaker 1: many ways stopped with the closing of our border, it

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Speaker 1: can still get here any number of ways, and as

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Speaker 1: long as there is a demand in this country, somebody's

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Speaker 1: going to supply it somehow until they're stopped for real.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, I said, from the insight, without any

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Speaker 1: of your fore knowledge of what the CIA has been

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Speaker 1: involved with in years past, with the quote war on drugs,

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Speaker 1: saw this as what I believe it is. It's just

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Speaker 1: an effort to unseat Maduro, who obviously is an illegitimate president.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the other candidate got more votes, but he

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Speaker 1: said no, I'm I'm not leaving. And it's similar to

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Speaker 1: things that have been done in the past, that Manuel

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Speaker 1: Noriega and Panama, and you can cite many other examples

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Speaker 1: of how the CIA worked to overthrow foreign governments.

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Speaker 2: It's nothing new for them.

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Speaker 1: But I also saw it as what it is I think,

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Speaker 1: and that's you know, obviously about oil and sanctions against China,

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Speaker 1: and from that standpoint, I kind of agree with it.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, Bill, I wanted to get your thoughts on

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Speaker 1: what the Trump administration the CIA is doing. And I

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Speaker 1: know you've seen this movie before, so please yeah.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: The first thing is more, you know, a number of

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Speaker 4: things can be true at once, and you know, I

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Speaker 4: think that's the case here there. This is the Trump

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Speaker 4: Forum policy, which you know they had veiled recently. It's

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Speaker 4: it's essentially the Monroe Doctor and Portant two point zero, right,

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Speaker 4: it's like really exert all influence over national security or

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01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 4: security economic policy in Americas. And you know they're in

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Speaker 4: the past and as is currently, they've mainly targeted leftist

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Speaker 4: leaders in Latin America. You know, all the past coups

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Speaker 4: going back to Guatemala, you know the band Pig Piggs,

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Speaker 4: Envision in Cuba, the you know coup and Chile in

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Speaker 4: the nineteen seventies, the cocaine coup in Bolivia in nineteen eighty,

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Speaker 4: which basically replaced the Left as president with a winter

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Speaker 4: composed of literally of a former Nazi in Marco traffickers.

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Speaker 4: And then you know the CIA contract crack cocaine scandal

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Speaker 4: the later in mid nineteen eighties. You know, that's all

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Speaker 4: Nords and everyone. And Trump tried this in this first administration.

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Speaker 4: He had the CIA, and they're attempting to flevent a

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Speaker 4: coup in Venezuela there in his first term. So yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's no surprise that they're trying to get rid of

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Speaker 4: the Duro. He's kind of the entertain of the kind

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Speaker 4: of the Bulavarian leftist revolution, the remaining you know, leader

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Speaker 4: from that era. There's and you know there's other there's

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Speaker 4: pressure on Colombia right next door, which is, you know,

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Speaker 4: the major source of the coca plant in cocaine, Colombia,

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Speaker 4: and actually all the and these nations can grow the

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Speaker 4: coca leafs, but only they can. So the only place

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Speaker 4: cocaine is coming from is that region of the world. Right,

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Speaker 4: and Venezuela was never a major producer. They're a transit nation,

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Speaker 4: so probably more money went to Venezuela than drugs. That's

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Speaker 4: probably it's major use in that as.

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Speaker 1: Far as Bill, as far as the oil frigate that

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Speaker 1: was seized, the oil ship that was seized, it was

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Speaker 1: seized because we have sanctions against people doing business with

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Speaker 1: China and this oil or with Iran. I mean, we

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Speaker 1: have sanctions with people doing business with Iran and oil,

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Speaker 1: and this was obviously.

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Speaker 2: Part of that.

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Speaker 1: How do you enforce sanctions if you don't enforce them,

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Speaker 1: I mean, isn't that basically what the United States was

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Speaker 1: doing by seizing this tanker.

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Speaker 4: Well, and also they're threatening to see more tankers. So

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Speaker 4: again this goes back to the thing that a number

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Speaker 4: of things could be true at once. They're using, you know,

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Speaker 4: a lot of legal language to justify what's going on.

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Speaker 4: In the case of blowing out the drug boats. You know,

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Speaker 4: they claim that they're Darko terrorists and we have you know,

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Speaker 4: sanctions against them, right, Well, we don't have sanctions to

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Speaker 4: kill them, you know, that's that whole thing is built

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Speaker 4: on economic sanctions. But the point is, if you look

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Speaker 4: at what they did, it's it's it's you know, there

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Speaker 4: really is nothing you can do about it. Right, First, say,

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Speaker 4: the first thing is if you blow, if you kill

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Speaker 4: somebody in international waters and there's no war, it's not

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Speaker 4: war crime. Right. Congress is the only one that will

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Speaker 4: declare war, So that doesn't really shit. If you uh

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Speaker 4: murder somebody in the international waters and they're a US

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Speaker 4: national in other words, you know, a residence or citizens,

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Speaker 4: you can bring murder charges in US courts against whoever

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Speaker 4: did that. But if they're not, which these these uh

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Speaker 4: you know, the people they're killing in the in the

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Speaker 4: Caribbean and in the Pacific are not US citizens, then

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Speaker 4: the only option is for the nations of those uh

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Speaker 4: of those killed to bring the charges. And and that

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Speaker 4: might be like what Acuador and Venezuela and Columbia. You know,

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Speaker 4: that's happened before where US agents have been charged with

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Speaker 4: crimes in the just aid those countries. That's what happens,

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Speaker 4: and then you know, you ask gotta regisplates it. So

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Speaker 4: there really is nothing that's going to be done about that.

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Speaker 4: And they're kind of the same thing with the oil takers.

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Speaker 4: There there's a thin legal justification for seizing the oil tankers,

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Speaker 4: you know, that's what they say is that this oil

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Speaker 4: was bound for it was a you know, an unfair

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Speaker 4: or a false flag ship that was bound for to

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Speaker 4: deliver sanctioned oil, and that may be true, and you're right,

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Speaker 4: they should be seized. Russia's got a whole fleet of

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Speaker 4: those that were not seizing, right, So the double standards

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Speaker 4: and foreign policy or you know, if you look at

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Speaker 4: it or profile. But anyway, so we seize their tankers

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Speaker 4: and we continue to do that, and we have were

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Speaker 4: blowing up all the bullets coming out of Venezuela, which

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Speaker 4: you effectively have as a blockade of Venezuela, which in

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Speaker 4: itself is an active war. And I think they're just

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Speaker 4: going to ratchet the pressure up until there's some kind

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Speaker 4: of coup in Venezuela, which is what the CIA's role

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Speaker 4: is on the ground. There is to you know, bargain

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Speaker 4: for that fer meant that you know, help the opposition

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01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 4: position themselves for you know, post Madure, all that kind

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Speaker 4: of thing. So there's a lot of a lot of

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Speaker 4: a lot of stuff going on on the ground that

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Speaker 4: we don't know about, and that we probably won't know

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Speaker 4: about frankly for years, because that's that's what you know,

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Speaker 4: This stuff doesn't come out, you know, it's it's surprising

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Speaker 4: that that Trump admitted we have the CIA operating on

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Speaker 4: the groundment there. That's the first surprising thing. But anyway, yeah,

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Speaker 4: you're right. I mean, if you're gonna, you know, enforce stations,

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01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 4: then you would think you'd enforce them against every country

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Speaker 4: that's running these these these false relave ships and and.

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Speaker 1: Yeh, Bill, Bill, Bill Bill, I think, I think I

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01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 1: think that where it gets to, uh, the Monroe doctrine

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Speaker 1: component of this, this is in our hemisphere. We're not

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Speaker 1: going to go to Russia and and go to the

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Speaker 1: Black Sea and start commandeering oil ships, are we No.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but they're not coming from the Black Seat. They're

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Speaker 4: coming across international waters from you know, different places. You know,

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Speaker 4: some of the Venezuela and oil is going to Russia too,

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01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 4: So we don't know where that oil was about. But

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Speaker 4: that is, you know, to get back to the major point.

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01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 4: You know, you could argue over whether you know, the

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Speaker 4: US policy is being implemented to you know, to actually

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Speaker 4: you know, get after the sanctioned oil, or if it's

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Speaker 4: also being implemented to continue prussing the Duro to get

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Speaker 4: him out of office. I'd argue it's both right and

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01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 4: why not? And you know, it seems like a good

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Speaker 4: play for him, and you know they're they're basically going

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Speaker 4: to you know, next step would be to start, you know,

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Speaker 4: shooting missiles in there somewhere based on presumably intelligence from

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Speaker 4: the ground there where where where they want to strike,

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Speaker 4: and you know they'll go after they did. I mean,

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Speaker 4: they tried to eradicate coca fields in Columbia for years,

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Speaker 4: for decades. It didn't work. And if if you see

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Speaker 4: how cold the plants grow there, you'd see why, because

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01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 4: they grow in like little corners of the jungle that

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Speaker 4: you'd never find. They're not. You're not going to find

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Speaker 4: those very easily with with any kind of technology. You'd

1271
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 4: have to have you know, on the ground surveillance people

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Speaker 4: you know, informants and so forth, and assets, and that's

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01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:21,719
Speaker 4: the world to see act would be played.

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Speaker 2: I know that.

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Speaker 4: Location because I think they would take Maduro out.

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Speaker 1: Right, and I'm not and I'm not sure that's that's

1277
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 1: necessarily a bad thing.

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Speaker 4: Well, here here's the deal with that. Here Again, there's

1279
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 4: always consequences for for these decisions. And there's the raw,

1280
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 4: raw moment where you get rid of a guy like that,

1281
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:46,720
Speaker 4: and then there's the day after like we fought we

1282
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Speaker 4: found in Iraq, and there's similar attentions in Venezuela. I mean,

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01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 4: but Dua is just a it's just a figure. The

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01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 4: pro Chabbista, which is you know, the kind of the

1285
01:08:57,280 --> 01:09:00,720
Speaker 4: left militias are very you know, they're not going to

1286
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 4: stop the US military, but they are going to be

1287
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 4: you know, guirrilla fighters. You know, so you're gonna have

1288
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Speaker 4: You could easily get bogged down investment. It's a huge country.

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Speaker 4: You could spark a civil war there that spreads over

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Speaker 4: into Colombia. I mean, you could destabilize that whole region

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Speaker 4: and make make our life a lot harder. I mean,

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Speaker 4: what are you going to send in US troops to

1293
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:22,160
Speaker 4: guard the oil fields? I mean, that's probably what we'd

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01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 4: have to do. So you you that's the problem. I

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01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 4: mean in the real world. Yeah, it's as you know,

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Speaker 4: as the bad guys have black hats, the big guys

1297
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Speaker 4: have white hats, and we have a shoe on. You know,

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01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 4: it doesn't work that way, so you know, and and

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Speaker 4: I don't know how many how many of these things

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Speaker 4: they're really considering. I know they do want to. You know,

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Speaker 4: it isn't just Venezuela either, there's a number of you know, Colombia,

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Speaker 4: they have elections coming up. They want to know, they

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Speaker 4: want to you know, get the leftist leader out there

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Speaker 4: and move to the right. Argent teenagers reelected it's leader

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Speaker 4: which is friendly with the Trump administration. So that's really

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Speaker 4: they want governments that are friendly and are going to

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Speaker 4: you complyiant and to follow what the edicts are out

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Speaker 4: of Washington. That's nothing new. But no, they're being aggressive

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Speaker 4: about it, right, They're they're They're not. It's not being

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Speaker 4: done through hard diplomacy or or backdoor channels. It's like,

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Speaker 4: you know, we're going to shoot this missile down your

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Speaker 4: sword if you don't do what we want you to do.

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Speaker 1: Well, Uh, you can pre order Bill's new book, The

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Speaker 1: Great Pretense, a tour through the boneyard of the CIA's

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Speaker 1: War four Drugs. And I tell you what, I'd much

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01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 1: rather have a president uh actually actually care and and

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Speaker 1: be as transparent as Trump has been about this, then

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Speaker 1: have a president who say, is running drugs into the

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Speaker 1: Mina airstrip in Arkansas when he's governor, not mentioning any names.

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Speaker 4: Well, all that okay, all that history is very it's

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Speaker 4: worth mulling over. I would say this, So there's no

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Speaker 4: way this is about drugs. And I'll give you I'll

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Speaker 4: give you my reasoning on that quick. If we have times.

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Speaker 4: First of all, they've blown up, you know, give or

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Speaker 4: take twenty four twenty five boats, and those both maybe

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Speaker 4: carry let's say, on average, two tons. They can carry

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Speaker 4: a ton that some of them might might be packed

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Speaker 4: with four times that bigger one, but maybe two tons

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Speaker 4: on average. That's what fifty tons of cocaine on those boats.

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Speaker 4: And the production of pure coke cocaine. Remember, every time

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Speaker 4: cocaine is you know, touch his hands. When it's sold

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Speaker 4: from one party the next, it gets cut, it gets

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Speaker 4: you know, you know, cut it with whatever whatever, you know,

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Speaker 4: whatever they have to you know, it stretches the cocaine.

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Speaker 4: They can make more money. So this is the pure

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Speaker 4: cocaine production estimate. This is from the UN and you

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Speaker 4: know there's no totally accurate because you just don't know.

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Speaker 4: But they have people on the ground, you know, doing

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Speaker 4: doing some research on this at.

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Speaker 5: Least about.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's based on on ground surveys. You know,

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Speaker 4: they actually have people in Colombia and the Andes looking

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Speaker 4: where the coca fields are, right, So they have a

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Speaker 4: pretty good idea. But they asked them, is three thousand,

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Speaker 4: seven hundred and eight tons of pure cocaine will be produced?

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Speaker 4: That was the most recent figure was two twenty three,

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Speaker 4: and it's been rising, right, so we got fifty tons

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Speaker 4: of that. That's like, you know, we're not stopping We're

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Speaker 4: not stopping cocaine. So with this, so it's clearly a

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Speaker 4: show offorce for us.

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Speaker 1: Neil, do you understand that that will be a relief

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Speaker 1: to a lot of people listening tonight that you were

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Speaker 1: not stopping this.

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Speaker 4: Cocaine They probably already know, right, Yeah, But I'm sorry,

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Speaker 4: But but that's I mean, there's a few other there's

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Speaker 4: a number of other reasons. I mean, Trump is not

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Speaker 4: really ideological about the drug worry. He pardoned like this

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Speaker 4: year so far ten people accused of drug crimes, including

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Speaker 4: one of the biggest traffickers in Central America. For years,

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Speaker 4: the head of the president of Honduras allowed the similar

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Speaker 4: cartel to travel drugs through his country with protection of

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Speaker 4: his forces. Uh, they asked, it was like four hundred

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Speaker 4: billion tons of cocaine that he let into the US

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Speaker 4: that way they got into view or through his country anyway.

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Speaker 4: So I don't think Trump's ideological. I think this is

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Speaker 4: about oil. The other thing that that right next door

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Speaker 4: to Venezuela is Guiana, and that's, yeah, you know, a

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Speaker 4: country probably people we'd only remember from you know, the

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Speaker 4: kool aid murderers back in the day, remember Jim Jones

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Speaker 4: and all that. Anyway, they they've had major oil discoveries there.

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Speaker 4: Excellent's actually drilling there. So right that whole region in

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Speaker 4: Venezuela has a fifth of the world's oil reserves. And

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Speaker 4: now they got these huge it's it's me to be

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Speaker 4: the fastest growing oil fields in the world are now

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Speaker 4: in Ghana in terms of the rate of production and

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Speaker 4: exploitation whatever you want to call it, that underway there.

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Speaker 4: And it's all like natural preserves too, so there's some

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Speaker 4: ecnological things going on that you know, we'll after you

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Speaker 4: iron out. But all that said, that's what a state.

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Speaker 4: And you know, we right now in the US produced

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Speaker 4: a lot of oil, but it's you know, it's kind

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Speaker 4: of the yellow crude. It's it's the light stuff. And

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Speaker 4: you know, Venezuela is you know the goopy you know,

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Speaker 4: black tire, you know oil that that we need. And

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Speaker 4: so that's you know what, every every four we've been

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Speaker 4: in since I can remember, you know, after Vietnam anyway,

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Speaker 4: has been about oil and I to something or another,

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Speaker 4: and I don't see why this won't want to be

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Speaker 4: any different.

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Speaker 1: And again, I think that it's great if we realize

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Speaker 1: more of of the capabilities of having that energy at

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Speaker 1: our disposal.

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Speaker 2: I think that's all good for America. I'm pro oil

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Speaker 2: and uh and obviously the tide has turned against all

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Speaker 2: this alternative energy stuff that doesn't work.

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Speaker 4: Bill. Yeah, but that's kind of a sidetrack. The real

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Speaker 4: question here is what do you do you support, you know,

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Speaker 4: overthrowing governments to get their oil. This one, you know,

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Speaker 4: you could say, yeah, it's a bad guy, we should

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Speaker 4: overthrow them, and then you know, cut a deal, which

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01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:19,240
Speaker 4: is what they would do. It's a new government, which

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01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:22,920
Speaker 4: is would be more right winging right wing and more

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01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:27,280
Speaker 4: accommodating to us, you know, getting a huge cut, and

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Speaker 4: you know we'd offer them protection. I'm sure that's one

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Speaker 4: way to get our oil, I guess, but it's going

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01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 4: to come at a price because it's you know, the

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01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:40,280
Speaker 4: the you know, those those acts tend to have blowback, right,

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01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 4: and so we're gonna have. It's going to create a

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01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:44,559
Speaker 4: lot of you know, it'd be like somebody coming in

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Speaker 4: here and taking over. You know, they want something from us,

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Speaker 4: and they just come in and take it over. I mean,

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Speaker 4: the reaction to the that whole region is not going

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Speaker 4: to be good. It's going to create as many problems

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Speaker 4: as it solves. It would be better, I think, and

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Speaker 4: it's a dilemma. I think the administration faithes it would

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01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:04,760
Speaker 4: be far better if Maduro would leave on his own

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01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 4: than if we got to force him out or there's

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Speaker 4: some kind of you know, coup that we're implicated in

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01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:15,600
Speaker 4: or invasion, because the geopolitics of us going at it

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Speaker 4: that way are I think good haunt us for decades

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01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:21,599
Speaker 4: and costs. You know, well, we'll get oil, but it'll

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Speaker 4: come at the cause of American blood and treasure, and

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Speaker 4: you know we got to fear. Yeah, I hope not either.

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Speaker 4: But that's one of the concerns that we get. And

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Speaker 4: I'm sure they're sitting in a dilemma with a third

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Speaker 4: of our naval fleet off the coast of Venezuela and

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Speaker 4: up toward Puerto Rico, wondering what comes back. Because the

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Speaker 4: States are incredibly high again.

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Speaker 1: The book is The Great Pretense, a Tour through the

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Speaker 1: Boneyard of the CIA's War for Drugs. The author is

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Speaker 1: Bill Conroy and he's busing my guest tonight. Thank you

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01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:52,240
Speaker 1: so much, Bill for your time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I appreciate the conversation.

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Speaker 6: Gary.

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01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 4: I think it was you asked some good questions.

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Speaker 1: Merry Christmas. All right, thank you sir. Take care all right,

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01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:09,120
Speaker 1: we still have more to go. Dave Hatter and Jim

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01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:12,600
Speaker 1: Ranesi will join us before midnight on the Nightcap.

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01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:17,000
Speaker 13: Listening to a man standing in the park isn't funny.

1440
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 13: Listening to a man standing in the park getting hit

1441
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:23,879
Speaker 13: in the groin with a frisbee oach mi groin is funny.

1442
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:27,720
Speaker 13: Eddie and Rocky are also funny. So when you think

1443
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:31,519
Speaker 13: of getting hit in the groin oach mi groin, think

1444
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:33,160
Speaker 13: of Eddie and Rocky.

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01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:36,440
Speaker 2: Eddie and Rocky. Tomorrow afternoon at three.

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01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:38,440
Speaker 8: On seven hundred WLW.

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01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:43,840
Speaker 6: I'm Stephen Curry and this is Gentleman's cut.

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01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 14: I think what makes the gentlest As we continue towards

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01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 14: midnight on this night Cap, I thought my friend Jim

1450
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:53,840
Speaker 14: RAEESI would be wonderful to spend a few minutes with

1451
01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:56,040
Speaker 14: and he agreed to come on.

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01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 1: I don't think he agreed that it would be wonderful necessarily,

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01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:00,800
Speaker 1: but he agreed to come on. So we'll take what

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01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:05,360
Speaker 1: we can get on a Tuesday night. Jim Ornacy, welcome

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01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:07,000
Speaker 1: back to the program. How are you, sir?

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01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:09,800
Speaker 15: Very good, Thank you for having me.

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01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask first about since you spent your

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01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:17,600
Speaker 1: time in Washington, d C. In the House, and what

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01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:21,439
Speaker 1: is going on with the wrangling of cats now among

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01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:26,519
Speaker 1: the Republicans trying to get this replacement healthcare bill to

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01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 1: the floor and get it voted on and passed and

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Speaker 1: sent over to the Senate, and you know the things

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01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:36,040
Speaker 1: that have already failed. I was talking with a guest

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01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:40,519
Speaker 1: earlier tonight about this, Jim, and all we heard in

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Speaker 1: President Trump's first term in that Congress was it's time

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01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:47,960
Speaker 1: to repeal and replace Obamacare, and that wound up falling

1467
01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:53,840
Speaker 1: on its face, mainly because of John McCain, but in

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01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 1: the Senate. But they are talking about it again with

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01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:03,280
Speaker 1: a brand new plan to replace these COVID subsidies that

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Speaker 1: were added to Obamacare, which are set to expire, and

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Speaker 1: everything's going to blow up here. After the first year

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Speaker 1: they got to figure out what they're going to do.

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Speaker 1: What do you think will happen. Do you think the

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01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:16,880
Speaker 1: Republicans will work out some deal where they extend those

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Speaker 1: subsidies for another year or what's going on?

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Speaker 15: Well, again, what's interesting is you're right, Republicans wanted to

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Speaker 15: get rid of Obamacare. We worked extremely hard. I was

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01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 15: in Congress at that time. We had a plan to

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01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:34,879
Speaker 15: replace it. We moved it through the House. It needed

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01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:38,679
Speaker 15: one more vote out of the Senate, which was John McCain,

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01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 15: and if everybody remembers, he walked in at midnight with

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Speaker 15: a thumb down and voted against it, and that killed

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01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 15: the replacement for Obamacare during the previous Trump administration.

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Speaker 4: So this is not easy.

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Speaker 15: There's a lot of moving pieces to it. But now

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Speaker 15: it's become even more ridiculous because it appears what the

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01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:01,479
Speaker 15: House is going to do is just pass a few

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01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:05,559
Speaker 15: things that they've already passed that the Senate would not

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01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:08,360
Speaker 15: pass or take up. But they're going to pass it

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01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:12,400
Speaker 15: as a symbolic measure to say, hey, we tried, the

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01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:17,519
Speaker 15: Senate's already tried. It appears they don't have anything else.

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Speaker 15: They're all going to go home with these subsidies. Actually

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01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:27,160
Speaker 15: ending at December thirty first, and of course healthcare costs spiking,

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Speaker 15: but I think they would have spiked even without the

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01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:34,720
Speaker 15: Obamacare subsidies. And then they're talking about coming back in

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Speaker 15: January and coming up with a plan that everybody can

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Speaker 15: agree to. Well, you know, Gary, this is the problem

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Speaker 15: with Washington. I said this all along. If you really

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01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:49,720
Speaker 15: want to fix Washington, you force a balanced budget, you

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Speaker 15: put term limits in, and you don't let people go

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01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:56,120
Speaker 15: home until things are done. If you told everybody, guys,

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01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:59,519
Speaker 15: we're not going home and you're going to spend Christmas

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01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:02,080
Speaker 15: Eve here until we finish this, which is by the

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01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:04,040
Speaker 15: way we do in the real world. I did it

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01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:06,760
Speaker 15: a lot of times in the business world. This kind

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01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:09,680
Speaker 15: of stuff would get settled. But instead we'll kick the

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01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 15: can down the road to January and see what happens.

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Speaker 1: For his part, Speaker Johnson was speaking to this morning.

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01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:17,280
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I heard some of the

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01:21:17,320 --> 01:21:20,559
Speaker 1: press conference and it's daily briefing, and he said that

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01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:26,160
Speaker 1: this plan by Republicans would this cost sharing and whatever,

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01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:29,240
Speaker 1: would bring premiums down by eleven percent. He said, even

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Speaker 1: if you extended the current subsidies, it would only bring

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Speaker 1: the savings down five point seven percent initially for about

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Speaker 1: seven percent of the population. There's not a large amount

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Speaker 1: of people apparently, who are on these Obama subsidies. The

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01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:50,840
Speaker 1: exchanges and premiums are skyrocketing. They've got to find a

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01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:55,960
Speaker 1: way to make this I don't want to even use

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01:21:56,040 --> 01:22:00,599
Speaker 1: the a word affordable, but something reasonable that people can

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Speaker 1: you know, rely on and have some kind of medical

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Speaker 1: coverage and uh and still be able to eat.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I would agree with you.

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Speaker 15: But the problem is, remember, Speaker Johnson's going to put

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01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:17,000
Speaker 15: out talking points. These talking points were already brought out.

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Speaker 15: These these same items are already passed by the House.

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Speaker 15: They're not passing anything but a bundled group of bills

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01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:27,120
Speaker 15: they've already passed, and that's why it's going to pass.

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01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:32,280
Speaker 15: There was originally going to be an amendment allowed by

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01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 15: the Moderates to, you know, to advance the subsidies for

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01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:41,639
Speaker 15: two more years, I believe, and this morning Speaker Johnson

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01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:45,400
Speaker 15: said no, we're not going to allow that to happen

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01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 15: unless we find cost savings. Now, I give them credit

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01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:52,360
Speaker 15: for saying that, but what that really did was throw

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Speaker 15: the moderates under the bus, because that that advancement or

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01:22:57,960 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 15: continuation of subsidies was not going to path either, I

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01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:04,400
Speaker 15: don't believe, and it would have give them an opportunity

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01:23:04,439 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 15: to vote for something that they could go back home

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01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:08,599
Speaker 15: and say, hey, I tried, Because you got to remember,

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Speaker 15: there are probably ten members of the House of Representatives

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Speaker 15: that are Republicans that are in Democrat districts, and you've

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01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:19,880
Speaker 15: got to give them something, especially when you only have

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01:23:19,960 --> 01:23:23,040
Speaker 15: a four or five seat majority, so that they don't lose.

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01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 15: And this was an opportunity for the Speaker to give

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Speaker 15: them something, even though it wouldn't have passed and it

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01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:31,439
Speaker 15: wouldn't have mattered, but I guess that felt as well.

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Speaker 4: So you know, they're going to have to go back

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01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:34,400
Speaker 4: and say.

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01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:37,719
Speaker 15: We supported a bill at least to keep things going

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01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:40,639
Speaker 15: forward that the Senate's not going to pass. And it's

1550
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:43,519
Speaker 15: all about talking points. It's all about the next election

1551
01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:46,080
Speaker 15: and how can I get the best talking point out

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01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:46,919
Speaker 15: and get re elected.

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01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:52,800
Speaker 1: Sad but true, and sad but true to the comments

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01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:59,120
Speaker 1: of President Trump when the news of the passing the

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01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:02,920
Speaker 1: murder of Rob Reiner and his wife was announced at

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01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:07,000
Speaker 1: White House press briefing, and President Trump's only respond was,

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Speaker 1: I was never a fan of Rob Reiner, without any

1558
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:15,280
Speaker 1: kind of bowing to the humanity of Rob Reiner. And

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01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:17,960
Speaker 1: this is part and parcel a big problem. And it

1560
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:20,720
Speaker 1: happens with Donald Trump all the time. The critics of

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01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, they dehumanize him. And now I see the

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Speaker 1: President doing the same thing to a political foe, simply

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Speaker 1: because he was an outspoken critic of the president. And

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Speaker 1: I found it distasteful and I don't go along with

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01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:40,920
Speaker 1: that President Trump. I still support him, but those comments

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01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:47,320
Speaker 1: were just even out of Trump. I was surprised.

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Speaker 4: Well, look, I would agree with you.

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Speaker 15: I mean, he could have very easily said I was

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01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:56,400
Speaker 15: never a fan of Rob Ryner. This was a tragic incident.

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Speaker 15: May Rob and Michelle rest in peace, and that would

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01:24:59,479 --> 01:25:03,920
Speaker 15: have been at Instead, he talked about what he's done

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01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 15: in the Trump Arrangement syndrome and all the other stuff, which,

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01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:10,080
Speaker 15: by the way, and I've been reporting on this, and

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01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:13,800
Speaker 15: I've been on other shows where I've said, this only

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01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:18,840
Speaker 15: hurts Republicans in next November's election. There was a poll

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Speaker 15: came out yesterday. I forget the sponsor of the poll,

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01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:29,800
Speaker 15: but it basically is saying that fifty three percent of

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01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:35,439
Speaker 15: those that voted in last November's election, will will be

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01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 15: voting for a Democrat in this next November's election fifty

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01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:42,759
Speaker 15: three percent and only forty three percent will be voting

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Speaker 15: for a Republican.

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Speaker 2: And that right there is where.

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Speaker 15: These comments hurt. They're going to hurt Republicans because, as

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01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:55,920
Speaker 15: I continue to say, it's not about the Republicans. Republicans

1585
01:25:55,960 --> 01:25:59,160
Speaker 15: will vote for Republicans, Democrats will vote for Democrats. But

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01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:03,759
Speaker 15: we have this large sector of independence. And the approval

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01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:06,680
Speaker 15: rating in those polls for President Trump was as high

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01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:10,640
Speaker 15: as seventy percent last December November, and today it's at

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01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:15,360
Speaker 15: thirty percent. So he's losing a major chunk of supporters

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01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:19,640
Speaker 15: which are going to tie him to Republicans, just like

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01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:22,519
Speaker 15: it happened in twenty eighteen. And a lot of people

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01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:25,640
Speaker 15: probably have forgotten about what happened in twenty eighteen. But

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01:26:25,720 --> 01:26:27,840
Speaker 15: we lost the House, we lost the Senate, we lost

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01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:33,040
Speaker 15: races all across the country because people were not happy

1595
01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:37,400
Speaker 15: with Donald Trump, and they punished Republicans. So this comment

1596
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:41,439
Speaker 15: just as another punishment to Republicans who have to run

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01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:43,000
Speaker 15: again in less than a year.

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Speaker 2: Jim or Nacy, thank you for your time.

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01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:50,519
Speaker 1: Again back at you on a Merry Christmas, and because

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Speaker 1: we're coming right up on it, we're less than well

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01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:55,479
Speaker 1: like a week and a half away, and I just

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01:26:55,560 --> 01:27:00,000
Speaker 1: hope that you have a fantastic time with family and friends,

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01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:01,719
Speaker 1: enjoy the holiday season.

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01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 15: Wish are you and your listeners of merry Christmas and

1605
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:06,800
Speaker 15: are very prosperous New Year as well.

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01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:07,519
Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Jim Ornacy with us on the night Cap for a

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01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:14,080
Speaker 1: few minutes. Dave Hatter in to roll up the tarp

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01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:16,080
Speaker 1: with me and close things out next.

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Speaker 11: I don't know why you'd miss any of our shows.

1611
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:24,559
Speaker 11: Maybe you were driving by a school when you suddenly

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01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:28,920
Speaker 11: saw a dinosaur heading for the kids and decided to

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01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:31,559
Speaker 11: save the day by beating the t rex with your

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01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:32,400
Speaker 11: tire iron.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe another reason. It really doesn't matter.

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01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:42,720
Speaker 11: Just remember you can always listen to the podcast of

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01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:47,040
Speaker 11: your favorite seven hundred WLW shows on the free iHeartRadio app.

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01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:49,599
Speaker 2: Bad breath is a confidence killer.

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01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:52,080
Speaker 11: You can have the best outfit, the funniest jokes, but

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01:27:52,120 --> 01:27:54,879
Speaker 11: if your breath smells like what you just ate that any.

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01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:59,360
Speaker 1: As we've prepared to drive out of the garage and

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01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 1: go home on this Tuesday night, my friend Dave Hatter,

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01:28:02,439 --> 01:28:07,360
Speaker 1: the Mad Hatter, my tech guy from Intrust. It is

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01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:11,720
Speaker 1: with us to talk about, well, the sounds of the

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01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:15,160
Speaker 1: season maybe coming from an AI toy, and you may

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01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:18,560
Speaker 1: not want your child to be subjected to those sounds.

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Speaker 1: First and foremost, Dave just informed me that slop slop,

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01:28:27,240 --> 01:28:30,920
Speaker 1: slop is Merriam Webster's word of the Year for twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five. And we're not talking about the evening slop

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01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:39,000
Speaker 1: John John Cougar Mellencamp talked about. We're talking about AI

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01:28:39,320 --> 01:28:42,679
Speaker 1: slop and the state of the Internet. So Dave tell

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01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:43,840
Speaker 1: me about slop.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I think this is pretty interesting and as always,

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01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:50,280
Speaker 10: thanks for having me on Garytank. When Mariam Webster takes

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01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:52,439
Speaker 10: a word every year, the twenty five word of the

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01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:54,880
Speaker 10: year of slop as it pertains to AI slop. And

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01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:58,559
Speaker 10: here's here's one subhead from a recent arc line quote

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01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:01,960
Speaker 10: AI slop unquote succinct definition of the current state of

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01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:06,120
Speaker 10: the Internet. And really they picked this ideally because you're

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01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:08,800
Speaker 10: now seeing so much AI flop, all of this ridiculous

1641
01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:12,599
Speaker 10: AI content that's being created, which then leads into AI

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01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:14,400
Speaker 10: models and you know, one of the things people have

1643
01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:17,320
Speaker 10: been worried about for some time, although you rarely hear

1644
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:20,680
Speaker 10: about this except for people who are not necessarily on

1645
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:23,880
Speaker 10: the utopian AI future where we're all just going to

1646
01:29:23,880 --> 01:29:26,360
Speaker 10: be laying around and doing nothing and the machines do everything.

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01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:30,599
Speaker 10: Is this idea that large language model based AI tools

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01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:35,160
Speaker 10: think chat, gptgmini, et cetera. There's a concept called model collapse,

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01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:38,479
Speaker 10: and it's the idea of that. Okay, this AI generates something,

1650
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:41,679
Speaker 10: another AI reads it, ingests it, and as they feed

1651
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:44,479
Speaker 10: off of each other, the quality just continues to go down.

1652
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:48,040
Speaker 10: Hence the idea of slop and this idea that you know,

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01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:52,599
Speaker 10: there's just so much stuff means videos, et cetera being

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01:29:52,640 --> 01:29:55,479
Speaker 10: created by this and filling the Internet. So I thought

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01:29:55,479 --> 01:29:57,679
Speaker 10: it was interesting that they picked this as their word

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01:29:57,680 --> 01:29:58,120
Speaker 10: of the year.

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01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:03,759
Speaker 1: It's wild and there's more and there's more slop to come.

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01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:08,520
Speaker 2: Sadly, there is AI toys.

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01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:11,120
Speaker 1: You and I've kind of delved into this and the

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01:30:11,200 --> 01:30:16,479
Speaker 1: dangers and uh some of the the real Uh they're

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01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:19,000
Speaker 1: not putting any checks on some of this stuff that's

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01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:21,240
Speaker 1: going out. It's going to be in the hands of children,

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01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:27,120
Speaker 1: small children, the Teddy Bear talking dirty and fetishes and

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01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:28,479
Speaker 1: all that we've got an update.

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Speaker 4: We've got more of this, right, it's really pretty crazy.

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01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:35,679
Speaker 10: Carry Jeff, you know, internet connected toys, the Internet of things.

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01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:37,720
Speaker 10: You and I talk about the Internet of Things and

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01:30:38,240 --> 01:30:40,880
Speaker 10: my disdain for it because most of these so called

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01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:44,280
Speaker 10: smart devices are privacy and security dumpster fires. And when

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01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:46,360
Speaker 10: you look at internet connected toys, which have been around

1671
01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:48,400
Speaker 10: for a while, many of them fall right into that

1672
01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:52,320
Speaker 10: privacy and security dumpster fire bucket. Now you're coupling the

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01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:55,920
Speaker 10: ability to connect to the internet, potential cameras, microphones, et cetera,

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01:30:56,560 --> 01:31:01,479
Speaker 10: with you know, AI interaction, and it's pretty disturbing. So

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01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:05,439
Speaker 10: in a report from NBC News, here's the headline, AI

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01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:09,160
Speaker 10: toys for kids talk about sex and issue Chinese Communist

1677
01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:12,920
Speaker 10: Party talking points, test show new research from Public Interest

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01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:15,680
Speaker 10: Research Group and test conducted by NBC News on a

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01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:18,680
Speaker 10: wide range of AI toys. They have loose card rails. Now,

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01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:20,720
Speaker 10: this is a very long article and I encourage all

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01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:22,880
Speaker 10: of your listeners, and I've already shared it on my

1682
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:25,400
Speaker 10: social media. I'll share it again after this interview. I

1683
01:31:25,479 --> 01:31:28,360
Speaker 10: encourage people who have kids or grandkids to go out

1684
01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:30,680
Speaker 10: and read this for themselves. Again, it's very long. It

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01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:33,240
Speaker 10: gets into a bunch of things, and the further you

1686
01:31:33,320 --> 01:31:35,719
Speaker 10: get into it, the more disturbing it gets. So again,

1687
01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:39,160
Speaker 10: quoting directly from the articles, this isn't my opinion, okay,

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01:31:39,400 --> 01:31:42,280
Speaker 10: pi rg's new research will these thurs. They identify several

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01:31:42,280 --> 01:31:45,839
Speaker 10: toys that share inappropriate, dangerous and explicit information with users

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01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:49,200
Speaker 10: and raises fresh concerns about privacy and attachment issues with

1691
01:31:49,240 --> 01:31:52,559
Speaker 10: the aipowered toys. You know, some of these things look

1692
01:31:52,640 --> 01:31:55,320
Speaker 10: like stuffed animals, They look like all kinds of friendly things.

1693
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:57,360
Speaker 10: And again, I know we don't have a ton of

1694
01:31:57,360 --> 01:31:58,760
Speaker 10: time here, so I just want to hit some of

1695
01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:01,720
Speaker 10: the high points of the toys. Gave dangerous tips about

1696
01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:04,760
Speaker 10: items around the house. Miliu, a plus toy with high

1697
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:08,040
Speaker 10: pitched child's voice advertised for children three in order, gave

1698
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:10,559
Speaker 10: detailed instructions on have a light of match and sharpen

1699
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:14,879
Speaker 10: a knife. Scrolling down a little further, asked why Chinese

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01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:18,599
Speaker 10: President Jijingping looks like the cartoon we need a poo,

1701
01:32:18,680 --> 01:32:20,920
Speaker 10: a comparison that has become an Internet meme because it's

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01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:24,240
Speaker 10: sensored in China. Malu responded that quote your statement is

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01:32:24,280 --> 01:32:29,040
Speaker 10: extremely inappropriate and disrespectful. Such malicious remarks are unacceptable, and

1704
01:32:29,080 --> 01:32:31,800
Speaker 10: then asked whether Taiwan is a country or not, it

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01:32:31,800 --> 01:32:34,679
Speaker 10: would repeatedly lower its voice and insist that quote, Taiwan

1706
01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:37,839
Speaker 10: is an analienable part of China, that is an established

1707
01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:41,639
Speaker 10: fact or some variation of that centem. But it gets worse, Yeah,

1708
01:32:41,760 --> 01:32:44,960
Speaker 10: it gets worse. Okay, as you read further into this,

1709
01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:47,840
Speaker 10: they keep delving down different paths, and they've got all

1710
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:50,600
Speaker 10: kinds of experts warning about this and so forth. They

1711
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:54,160
Speaker 10: say the AI toy market is booming, face little regulatory scrutiny.

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01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:57,680
Speaker 10: MIT Technology Review reported that China has now more than

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01:32:57,680 --> 01:33:01,400
Speaker 10: fifteen hundred registered AI toy company. A search for AI

1714
01:33:01,439 --> 01:33:04,240
Speaker 10: toys on Amazon yields over a thousand products, and more

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01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:08,479
Speaker 10: than one hundred items appear in searches for toys. It

1716
01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:12,000
Speaker 10: goes on to say in one pirs G demonstration to

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01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:14,840
Speaker 10: NBC News, when it was engaged with the prolonged conversation

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01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:17,680
Speaker 10: and was eventually asked about impact play, but this is

1719
01:33:17,680 --> 01:33:19,600
Speaker 10: a different toy ALU, which kind of looks like a

1720
01:33:19,640 --> 01:33:24,639
Speaker 10: cute little bunny impact play, which apparently means one partner

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01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:27,760
Speaker 10: strikes another. The bunny listed a variety of tools used

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01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:32,320
Speaker 10: in BDSM and again it gets crazier. Quote, here are

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01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:35,120
Speaker 10: some commonly used tools that people might choose for impact play.

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Speaker 10: One leather flogger, and then it goes on to explain

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01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:43,679
Speaker 10: what that is. Yeah, this is again toys marketed towards

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01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:45,080
Speaker 10: your kids. And then on top of all of this,

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01:33:45,200 --> 01:33:47,840
Speaker 10: since I know we're about on time, imagine your kid

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01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:50,720
Speaker 10: is talking to this thing. It has a camera, it's

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01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:54,720
Speaker 10: potentially being facial recognition, it's potentially recording all the conversations

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01:33:54,760 --> 01:33:57,599
Speaker 10: your kid has with it, your kid has with other kids,

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01:33:57,720 --> 01:33:58,960
Speaker 10: you have with your kids.

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Speaker 4: Where does that go?

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01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:03,760
Speaker 10: Who has access to it? Who knows they talk about you?

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01:34:04,040 --> 01:34:06,160
Speaker 10: Some of this further than the article. Again, I really

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01:34:06,160 --> 01:34:09,840
Speaker 10: can't stress enough. People should read this article for themselves,

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Speaker 10: and I think they'll come to the camp same conclusion

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01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:15,640
Speaker 10: that I have that there is absolutely no way I

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Speaker 10: would allow my children or grandchildren to.

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Speaker 4: Be exposed to something like this.

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Speaker 10: At this point, it's completely disturbing and downright crazy.

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Speaker 1: Why would you need a plush toy that's connected to

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01:34:26,160 --> 01:34:27,799
Speaker 1: the Internet in the first place?

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Speaker 10: Dave good question, Gary Jeff good question. And you know

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01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:34,479
Speaker 10: they talk about it in here. How one of these

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01:34:34,479 --> 01:34:38,320
Speaker 10: things has like an incentivizing model where you get quote

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01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:40,800
Speaker 10: gems unquote the more you use it, because of course

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01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:42,599
Speaker 10: they want to keep the using they want to keep

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01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:44,959
Speaker 10: you on it, they want to collect as much information

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Speaker 10: as possible about your kids. It's just completely again, people

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01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:54,599
Speaker 10: should read this in detail for themselves. Read the headline

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01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:56,479
Speaker 10: one more time and again I'll post this on my

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01:34:56,600 --> 01:35:00,800
Speaker 10: LinkedIn Facebook and x speeds Ai toys for talk about

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01:35:00,840 --> 01:35:03,960
Speaker 10: sex and issue Chinese Communist Party talking Points test show.

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01:35:04,439 --> 01:35:07,519
Speaker 10: And this was from NBC News a few days ago,

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01:35:08,360 --> 01:35:09,160
Speaker 10: December eleventh.

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Speaker 1: Amazingly, amazingly frightening, which I mean I'm not surprised by

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Speaker 1: because we're having a conversation. Usually when you and I

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01:35:18,439 --> 01:35:23,080
Speaker 1: have a conversation, i'm frightened and amazed. So you haven't

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01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:25,960
Speaker 1: you haven't disappointed me this time, Dave. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 10: Well, I'm happy to be able to produce scary Well.

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01:35:30,640 --> 01:35:32,720
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe we'll have a chance to talk one more

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01:35:32,760 --> 01:35:36,519
Speaker 1: time before Christmas, I hope. So have a wonderful rest

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01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:38,800
Speaker 1: of the week. Merry Christmas to you if I don't

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01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:42,519
Speaker 1: get a chance, and thanks brother, I appreciate it.

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01:35:42,760 --> 01:35:43,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, my pleasure.

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01:35:43,640 --> 01:35:46,040
Speaker 10: Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and Kristin

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01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:48,439
Speaker 10: and all your listeners and look forward to chat with

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Speaker 10: you against you.

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Speaker 2: All right, Dave.

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Speaker 1: Dave had her with us as we close out this

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Speaker 1: night cap and play the national anthem, our Star Spangled Banner,

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01:35:57,280 --> 01:36:00,000
Speaker 1: the country's only national anthem

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Speaker 2: Or America, and here it is on seven hunderd W

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Speaker 2: l W