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Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan ray how in WBSY, Boston's

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. Thank you very much, Dan Watkins. Good to

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Speaker 2: know the Red Sox are wheeling and dealing as we

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Speaker 2: are moving too. Probably some of the coldest nights of

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Speaker 2: winter season. I mean, it's technically still fall, although it's

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Speaker 2: meteorological winter. So before we start this hour, I want

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Speaker 2: to talk about this Deadham church. You might have read

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Speaker 2: the story in the Globe today, will I will talk

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Speaker 2: about that. I do want to invite a few more charities.

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Speaker 2: We want to get at least eighteen or so charities

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Speaker 2: who will join us on Tuesday night, December twenty third,

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Speaker 2: between ten and midnight. It's the final broadcast hour of

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Speaker 2: my final hour on the air this year. I'll be

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Speaker 2: back obviously after New Year's but we've done this now.

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Speaker 2: This will be our thirteenth year doing this. We've done

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Speaker 2: it twelve years. We've probably profiled at least a couple

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Speaker 2: and fifty charities over the years. We're going to do

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Speaker 2: it one more time and we invite anyone in my

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Speaker 2: audience who has a charity. It doesn't have to be

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Speaker 2: a big charity. It can be a small charity, it

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Speaker 2: doesn't matter. I ask you to just contact me. You

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Speaker 2: can send me an email at Dan ray d A

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Speaker 2: n r EA at iHeartMedia dot com if that is.

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Speaker 2: If I'm being too quick, you can call Rob on

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Speaker 2: the regular line here and get my email pretty easy

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Speaker 2: to find, and just tell me the name of the charity.

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Speaker 2: We don't want recommendations. I don't want you to send

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Speaker 2: me an email and say you heard about a wonderful

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Speaker 2: charity and wherever, and we should contact them and get

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Speaker 2: them on the air. Nope, Nope, nope, nope nope. What

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Speaker 2: we want to do is have someone from the charity

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Speaker 2: who could be the spokesperson that night. We're talking about

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Speaker 2: a four minute interview, but it gives you an opportunity

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Speaker 2: to get the charity's name out in front of the public,

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Speaker 2: to talk about the mission of the charity, whatever that

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Speaker 2: mission might be. How you function, do you have events,

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Speaker 2: do you help, who the people who you help? And

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Speaker 2: what do you need to make your charity more effective.

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Speaker 2: Some charities are looking for money, which is understandable, and

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Speaker 2: some charities are more interested in volunteers. When you talk

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Speaker 2: about some of the Big Brothers Big Brothers, Big Sisters organization,

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Speaker 2: they need volunteers. So it's a great opportunity for you

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Speaker 2: to highlight the efforts that you're involved in and that

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Speaker 2: the charity is involved in. If you have someone who's

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Speaker 2: on night Side on ever twenty third, that's great. If

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Speaker 2: the president or the head of the charity would prefer

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Speaker 2: to be the spokesperson that night, have them contact us.

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Speaker 2: We just don't want to end up spending time because

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Speaker 2: what we call twenty twenty five. We have lots to

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Speaker 2: of the year, and this is an important feature of Nightside.

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Speaker 2: We've done that now, as I say, it'll be the

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Speaker 2: every year. We've done that for nineteen years, so I

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Speaker 2: think I've been clear. We've had a couple that have

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Speaker 2: we see among our people a climate of fear and

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Speaker 2: state of contemporary debate and the vilification of immigrants. Let

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Speaker 2: me correct the Conference of Bishops. If you are here illegally,

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Speaker 2: you're not an immigrant. You were here in an illegal capacity.

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Speaker 2: Uh if if if someone wants to express and take

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Speaker 2: the Conference of Bishops, or of this priest at Saint

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Speaker 2: That's insanity, that's insanity. That should the Church be good

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Speaker 2: for all the right reasons, but to basically accuse ice

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Speaker 2: that's really what they're saying. These people are human beings,

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Speaker 2: yes they are, or they are, but they are looking

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Speaker 2: That's why we have customs when people come in. If

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Speaker 2: And if Father Hosts Joe Soma joined us tonight, he's

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Speaker 2: if the charity, if you will that I'm sure of

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Speaker 2: Father Stephen Josama feels in his heart as the pastor

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Speaker 2: This is not the first time. Back when Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: If you're on night Side with Dan Ray, I'm telling

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Speaker 1: you BZ Boston's news Radio.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's get rolland going to go to Sue

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Speaker 3: Jan can you hear me?

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Speaker 2: Yes? I can, Susan, go right ahead.

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Speaker 3: Awesome. Well, I'm a first time caller. I found your

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Speaker 3: show to be thoughtful, interesting, sometimes provocative, but this evening

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Speaker 3: I had to call in because your comment about ICE

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Speaker 3: doing what needs to be done, I was just so.

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Speaker 3: Off the rails that seems to be.

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Speaker 2: First of all, Susan, thanks for being first time called.

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Speaker 2: We're going to give you a rout of applause. And

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Speaker 2: I want to know why you feel that ICE trying

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Speaker 2: I'm all ears.

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Speaker 3: So the vast majority of the people that ICE is

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Speaker 3: picking up have not committed any crimes at all. They're

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Speaker 2: They can't. Well not to be picky, but you can't

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Speaker 2: yet to see the statistics, Susan. I surely am not

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Speaker 3: Please respectfully, sir. They don't represent a danger to my

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Speaker 2: The point is there, Well, I think that I think

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Speaker 2: And if that is a position that we're, you know,

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Speaker 3: No, that's a shameful jump on your part. I didn't

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Speaker 2: No, I know you didn't. I asked, Susan, do me

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Speaker 2: Well again, you can consider it shameful. I consider it

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Speaker 3: I don't have the numbers.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate the opportunity. Thank you very much for taking

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Speaker 2: Well, if they're here illegally, they have by virtue of

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Speaker 4: Well, it's through the economy, and it actually enabled the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know about that. I don't know about that. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Fair enough, thank you, have a nice night. Okay, we're

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Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray. I'm w Boston's

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Speaker 2: Next up, let me go to William in Baltimore and

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Speaker 2: William welcome back. How are you sir?

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Speaker 6: Hey? How you doing Dan?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing fine talking to you buddy, all right?

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Speaker 6: Oh okay? Yeah, Dan, Look, I was listening to the

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Speaker 6: I belong to h a Christian a m me church

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Speaker 6: You know, I didn't think that was right. I didn't

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Speaker 6: But let me ask you this, Dan, you travel abroad,

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Speaker 6: I haven't when you go to different countries, which I've

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Speaker 2: You bet you visiting.

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Speaker 6: Right when they look at your passport. Yeah, so we

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Speaker 2: So they like to justice. They liked to paint with

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and these are like in Maryland. You know here

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Speaker 6: Like you said, once you come here, you can't go

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Speaker 6: to Mexico. I guarantee you cannot go to Mexico and

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Speaker 6: stay over, stay all welcome. We'll wind up in a

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Speaker 6: Mexican jail or any South American country, right because they're

439
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Speaker 6: not going to allow you to do that. Man, you

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Speaker 6: just cannot do that. And uh, and they're gonna treat

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Speaker 6: you more hostilely than what they're being treated here. Right.

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Speaker 6: So I disagree with her on several levels. And I'm

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Speaker 6: not saying all of them are criminals, because I've worked

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Speaker 6: with some of those people, man, But all I'm saying

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Speaker 6: is not my job to ask their status. But all

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Speaker 6: I'm saying is that they hear illegal and the people

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Speaker 6: come in and arrest them, and you know, hey, that's

448
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Speaker 6: that's just the way it goes, man. And uh, you know,

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Speaker 6: you can't defend that, man. And that's going for the

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Speaker 6: criminal or the non criminal, because I feel like, if

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Speaker 6: they've been here all these years, why haven't they applied

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Speaker 6: for citizenship? That's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: You're simply saying common sense. Look, this guy that that

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Speaker 2: shot and killed the the woman, the twenty year old

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Speaker 2: woman who was in the West Virginia National Guard who's

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Speaker 2: controlling the streets of Washington. We brought him here because

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Speaker 2: we thought he was a good person. Well, obviously we

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Speaker 2: didn't vet him adequately enough, because you know, if all

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Speaker 2: of a sudden, someone comes here and maybe you know,

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Speaker 2: they're a drinker, they smoke marijuana, or they're late for work,

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Speaker 2: you know, might not be a perfect citizen. But you know,

462
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Speaker 2: you know, but this guy drove across the country and

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Speaker 2: to kill innocent National Guard members. I wonder if, and

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Speaker 2: again Susan is not with us here, but I wonder

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Speaker 2: how much empathy Susan has in her heart for the

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Speaker 2: family of this twenty year old woman. You know, they

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Speaker 2: will never see her again. They will never see her again.

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Speaker 2: And if this guy had been vetted, he actually was

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Speaker 2: brought here, I guess legally because the Biden administration said

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Speaker 2: they vetted him.

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Speaker 6: Well, right, that's what they said, right, So, and you

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Speaker 6: know what scares me too, then that Trump is gone,

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Speaker 6: right and they get a Democrat in there, they're gonna

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Speaker 6: they're gonna let these people aren't let again because everything

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Speaker 6: that Trump does they hate man, you know, And I'm

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Speaker 6: not gonna say that Trump is right on everything, because

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Speaker 6: he's not. But I'm just saying, you know, I agree

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Speaker 6: with him on most of his policies. I think that

479
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Speaker 6: he makes crazy statements too, But you.

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Speaker 2: Know, but he's his worst I think he's his own

481
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Speaker 2: worst enemy, William, and that uh, he he engages in

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Speaker 2: sort of gratuitous you know, calling a reporter, you know,

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Speaker 2: miss Peggy, little Peggy or something like that. Why would

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Speaker 2: you do that? Yeah, that's what I said.

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Speaker 6: That's fastly.

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Speaker 2: Well, you we're on the same pays is always I'm

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Speaker 2: my favorite call more often if I don't talk to you,

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Speaker 2: have a great Christmas season.

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Speaker 6: Okay, oh yeah, married Christmas to YouTube, Dan n I appreciate.

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Speaker 2: Talks, but we take a quick break here the only

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Speaker 2: line in six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty.

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Speaker 2: We'll get this role, and I promise coming back on

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Speaker 2: night Side.

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Speaker 1: Night Side, Dan Ray, Boston News Radio.

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Speaker 2: Begin growing. You're going to go to Greg and Roslindale,

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Speaker 2: Greg next on Niksiger, Go right ahead.

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Speaker 7: Yes, Dan, I am calling because I've had the opportunity

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Speaker 7: to go down to the Mexican border in January and

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Speaker 7: cross through no Galas, Arizona to New Galas, Mexico. I'm

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Speaker 7: not sure if you're familiar with that area down there.

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Speaker 2: I'm familiar with southern Arizona. I've been to southern Arizona.

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Speaker 2: I have not been in Nicolas. What's your point?

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Speaker 5: So the point is is that.

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Speaker 7: There are illegal alien aliens or immigrants that are trying

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Speaker 7: to get into the country. But what is not they're

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Speaker 7: not getting due process and they're being treated many times

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Speaker 7: kind of like animal was like I have a uh

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Speaker 7: friend in Iowa that immigrants have to check in either

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Speaker 7: in Des Moines or see the rapids, and how are.

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Speaker 2: They being treated? How are they being denied due process?

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Speaker 7: Greg So so you know, people have to report, you know,

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Speaker 7: on a regular basis, the people that are in immigration

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Speaker 7: trying to get in that have signed in.

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Speaker 2: Yea, if someone I think what you're referring. I think

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Speaker 2: what you're referring to is if if someone goes to

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Speaker 2: a an entry point uh and requests asylum and and

517
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Speaker 2: are able to make a legitimate claim that they would

518
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Speaker 2: be in danger if they were forced to be returned

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Speaker 2: to their country UH and and we then accept them

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Speaker 2: for asylum claims. We have allowed people to views that

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Speaker 2: to be honest with you. But that's a way in

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Speaker 2: which people can come into the country legally, and then

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Speaker 2: as part of that process, they have to periodically report

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Speaker 2: because oftentimes the asylum cases are not heard for seven

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Speaker 2: or eight years because the system is so overwhelmed. But

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Speaker 2: I don't see how anyone's being denied do process.

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Speaker 7: Well, you know, think of the if you've seen on

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Speaker 7: television people being arrested, you know, pacing the window, take

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Speaker 7: dragging them out of the car, and they they take

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Speaker 7: them to the local holding area and then they ship

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Speaker 7: them right off as far away as they can from

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Speaker 7: their lawyers, so they can't get due process. And these

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Speaker 7: people have papers, many of them do.

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Speaker 5: I'm well, well, I.

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Speaker 2: Don't know how many. Again, you're you're, you're you're speaking

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Speaker 2: to me. Generally, I have seen individuals, because.

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Speaker 7: I'm talking about specific sidences that I am aware of.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm about to tell you that I have seen

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Speaker 2: agents breaking windows. The agent has said roll down the window,

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Speaker 2: and the person might not understand the language, but they

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Speaker 2: they certainly understand that the agent wants to talk to them. Now,

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Speaker 2: if they're here legally, they should have nothing to worry about.

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Speaker 2: Now when the guy doesn't roll down the window. Greg,

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Speaker 2: What should the ice agent do? Say gee, I'm sorry

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Speaker 2: to have bothered you and walk away.

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Speaker 5: Well, number one.

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Speaker 2: What would happen to you? Greg? Let me ask you this.

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Speaker 2: What would happen to you? Greg? If tonight you're driving

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Speaker 2: home and a Boston police officer stops you because you

550
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Speaker 2: know he had you had a light out or something

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Speaker 2: like that, and he said to you, roll down the window.

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Speaker 2: He said, nope, not rolling down the window. Roll down

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Speaker 2: the window. I need to see your license and registration.

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Speaker 2: I'm not rolling down the window. I'm a US citizen.

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Speaker 2: You can't bother me. What do you think that he's

556
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Speaker 2: going to do?

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Speaker 5: Good analogy?

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Speaker 7: Because you know, I'm an American, I was borned Americans.

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Speaker 5: So I'm going to roll down my window.

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Speaker 2: But what But what I'm saying is if you didn't

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Speaker 2: roll down the window, what do you think he would do?

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Speaker 2: Do you think the police officer gonna say, Hey, no problem,

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Speaker 2: you go ahead. Not going to happen. There's no denial

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Speaker 2: of due process here, Greg, I had no idea.

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Speaker 7: Well what you're driving that there is?

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Speaker 5: So what I'm saying about.

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Speaker 2: So you're a lawyer, where do you practice, Greg.

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Speaker 7: I'm a retired pharmacist.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, in that case, then you must understand due process. Greg,

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Speaker 2: I appreciate the call. I want to try to get

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Speaker 2: one more in here.

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Speaker 7: Okay, I'm sorry. I'm sorry that you can't have a conversation.

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Speaker 2: But look, I just had a ten minute I had

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Speaker 2: a ten minute conversation with Susan. I've had a five

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Speaker 2: minute conversation with you. I've explained the system to you

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Speaker 2: how it works. I know that you probably feel very

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Speaker 2: strongly about this back, and we'll have another conversation. But

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Speaker 2: when you throw a word like due process around, First

579
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Speaker 2: of all, due process is not something that everybody gets.

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Speaker 2: It's like, uh, there's levels of due process. And if

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Speaker 2: you're a full pledged United States citizen, you got due

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Speaker 2: process under the Constitution. Okay. If you're here illegally, your

583
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Speaker 2: level of due process is quite different. Okay. And you

584
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Speaker 2: need to understand that I'm not going to try to

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Speaker 2: tell you how to run your pharmacy or how to

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Speaker 2: how to dispense pharmaceuticals. And please understand that I'm not

587
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Speaker 2: trying to, you know, give you a hard time here,

588
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Speaker 2: but next time you call, we'll continue our conversation. Fair enough,

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Speaker 2: I got five people behind you, and I want to

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Speaker 2: try to get as many folks as I can. Hope

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Speaker 2: this is your first time call.

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Speaker 5: I heard you were a Catholic and so Jesus, yeah, do.

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Speaker 2: Be a favored. Don't do that to me. Okay, don't

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Speaker 2: do that to me, because don't try to do that

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Speaker 2: to me. I am a Catholic. Okay, I went to

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Speaker 2: Catholic school for eight years. I understand my religion. I

597
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Speaker 2: you know, don't don't try to do that to me. Okay,

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Speaker 2: that's beneath you, Greg, even as a pharmacist. Have a

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Speaker 2: great night. Let me go to bill in Pennsylvania, Billia

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Speaker 2: next on Nightsier right ahead.

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Speaker 5: Know anything I can say, Dan is a hooray for

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Speaker 5: President Trump. You know, when the Democrats had the House,

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Speaker 5: the Senate and the White House, they didn't do anything

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Speaker 5: about doing reforming the immigration and all that. And and

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Speaker 5: Trump is doing exactly what needs to be done. And

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Speaker 5: that call her from down there in Maryland Williams. That

607
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Speaker 5: guy was smart, okay, and he was practical, and he

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Speaker 5: lives he lives where the rubber meets the road, and

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Speaker 5: the rest of these people I don't know where they

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Speaker 5: live at.

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Speaker 2: Okay, there are a lot of people who are who

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Speaker 2: are big hearted people. I mean I it was like

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Speaker 2: Susan did agree with me that if someone was here illegally,

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Speaker 2: uh and they committed a crime, she at least conceded that, uh,

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Speaker 2: that they should be deported, which which I was very

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Speaker 2: appreciative of.

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Speaker 5: But you know, Dan, Dan, let's get back to the

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Speaker 5: original thing. What is going on with the Catholic Church.

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Speaker 5: That's what I can't listen. They've made terrible mistakes over

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Speaker 5: the pedophile thing, and now they're starting to do they're

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Speaker 5: like getting they're losing control of did the bishops did

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Speaker 5: the bishops state yes?

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Speaker 2: Well got Uh. There's statements of here's the thing Bill. Okay,

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Speaker 2: this is one Catholic priest at one parish. He doesn't

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Speaker 2: represent I mean the Catholic Church. I'm not here to

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Speaker 2: attack the Catholic Church. And by the way, I don't

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Speaker 2: want to equate this with pedophilia. Pedophilia were crimes. Uh.

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Speaker 2: This priest has a right to celebrate Christmas in whatever

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Speaker 2: way he wants. I strongly disagree with it. Okay, I

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Speaker 2: guarantee you I've been a Catholic longer than this priest

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Speaker 2: has been a priest and probably longer than he's been

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Speaker 2: a Catholic. But I'm not going to attack him on

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Speaker 2: that level. I'm gonna say that Christmas is a time

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Speaker 2: when people should come together, people should feel welcomed. And

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Speaker 2: to politicize it, I mean, it would be like if

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden they were putting aborted fetuses out

637
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Speaker 2: there instead of Jesus in the in the manger. I'd

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Speaker 2: be offended by that as well.

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Speaker 5: And I'm my grandfather and I got two little granddaughters,

640
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Speaker 5: dan if I took my granddaughters to see that Nativity

641
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Speaker 5: scene and the kids are looking at that. The first

642
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Speaker 5: thing that the first thing they're going to say to

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Speaker 5: me is sappy. Why is America doing that to these people?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's exactly what the priest wants to happen.

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Speaker 2: And he did get some publicity today and he's invited.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we'll get him to join us next week. Bill,

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Speaker 2: I'm flat up against it here. Normally I give you

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Speaker 2: much more time, and I'm looking at the eleven o'clock

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Speaker 2: news coming at me like a freight train. All right, thanks,

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Speaker 2: stay in the line. We'll get to Paul and Bob

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Speaker 2: and Andrew and got some lines open, join us