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Speaker 1: in here. Yeah probably it's ten o six. The show

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Speaker 1: and forty eight minutes early recording. Cool Christmas. It's that

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Speaker 1: time of the year in Ardoyeah. Cool Christmas schedule.

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Speaker 2: Brother, Well, I'm excited.

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Speaker 3: We I believe we're a week from Sunday, a week

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Speaker 3: from oh wow, So we get the thing done next week.

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Speaker 3: Next week, well, we'll coordinate a day, but it'll actually

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Speaker 3: I think it'll overlap with the Giants game, so people

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Speaker 3: can be bouncing back and forth between a cool Christmas,

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Speaker 3: cool one O eight and hopefully you're in a w

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Speaker 1: Here comes Ben Lieber, sideline analyst for the KFA and

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Speaker 1: We have a leftover Vike bite or two, mister Leeber,

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Speaker 1: that we would like in order to share with you,

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Speaker 1: and here they are.

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Speaker 2: I got I got a couple for you.

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Speaker 4: Ben.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, good morning, good time.

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Speaker 3: The Cowboys give up four point seven yards of carries,

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Speaker 3: So a lot of focus into the game is, of

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Speaker 3: course what Dak's going to do with Ceedee Lamb and

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Speaker 3: George Pickens.

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Speaker 2: But we can run on them.

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Speaker 3: And I'm just curious if there's a scenario where our

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Speaker 3: commander's game plan is proverbially photo copied in some ways

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Speaker 3: to commit and maybe run on them Boys on Sunday night, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, I would say why not try it?

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Speaker 5: At this point, I think that we need to find

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Speaker 5: it's important for us as we go into next season,

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Speaker 5: because that's kind of where we're casting our gaze. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: is you know, what is our identity going to be?

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Speaker 5: If it has to shift a little bit from this

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Speaker 5: high explosive, vertical passing game, then that's fine. If it

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Speaker 5: looks a little bit more like did last week, you know,

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Speaker 5: hopefully a little bit more of an amplified version of

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Speaker 5: last week, and we do have some more explosives in

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Speaker 5: the passing game. But if it is a little bit

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Speaker 5: more run centric and set everything up that way, then

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Speaker 5: why not test it out. We got tested out against

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Speaker 5: all these defenses, against these different looks. What can the

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Speaker 5: kid handle?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 5: How how's our offensive line going to go against a

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Speaker 5: really good defensive front, you know, not so good in

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Speaker 5: the back end of their defense, but really good upfront.

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Speaker 2: How are we going to handle that?

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Speaker 5: So, yes, I would like to see the same blueprint

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Speaker 5: from last week be repeated this week.

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Speaker 3: And then uh, well, I actually I got a bunch,

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Speaker 3: but well let's let's let's do this and then I'll

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Speaker 3: let the host handle his business.

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Speaker 2: How would you attack Dak?

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Speaker 3: As impressive as this offense is in his thirteen games,

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Speaker 3: he's thrown ten picks, He's lost a fumble as well.

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Speaker 3: We've been on the bad side of Dak handling us,

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Speaker 3: We've been on the good side of stifling him and

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Speaker 3: limiting him at times. And this highlight offense, how would

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Speaker 3: you attack Dak If you're mister Flores this Vikings.

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Speaker 5: Defense, somehow, some way you have to be able to

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Speaker 5: disrupt his receivers at the line of scrimmage. So much

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Speaker 5: of their production is quicker passing game. I know that

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Speaker 5: this offense can be, they will take their shots. Don't

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Speaker 5: get me wrong. I mean they are going to try

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Speaker 5: a lot of short, quick passing game. So if we

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Speaker 5: can marry up some of that disruption at the line

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Speaker 5: of scrimmage with their receivers and at the same time

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Speaker 5: I think we're going to throw off the rhythm of Dak.

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Speaker 5: We're gonna throw off the rhythm of the whole offense.

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Speaker 5: So to me, it is about being physical within that

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Speaker 2: With the Vikings.

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Speaker 1: But I guess college football stuff for you we'll get

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Speaker 1: into momentarily. But all this pure progression social media stuff

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Speaker 1: and talk from Viking's coach Kevin O'Connell regarding JJ McCarthy. First,

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Speaker 1: how familiar are you with it? And secondly, assuming you

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Speaker 5: best describe disguise our coverages because there really there really

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Speaker 5: But by and large, Cover two is Cover two. I mean,

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Speaker 5: looking at or looking at offense is in a pure

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Speaker 2: I think is an easier way to look.

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Speaker 1: At it, brilliantly explained from a learned football mind.

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Speaker 2: But reason sixteen, can you repeat the part of this

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Speaker 1: No, I wasn't trying to don't read those screenshots because

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Speaker 5: It's just you know, I was trying to I wasn't

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Speaker 5: how difficult it can be under should But here's here's

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Speaker 5: So then all of a sudden, now when you're watching film,

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Speaker 5: Quinn and the way he runs his defense and all

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Speaker 2: Fiha, fairness and host act. I'm stupid, You're smart, Ben

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Speaker 1: So if I say Justin or I have said many times,

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Speaker 1: but if I say Justin Fields does not have a swivel,

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Speaker 1: he lacks a swivel, He can't find his swivel. Does

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Speaker 1: that mean he's void of progression or purity?

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Speaker 5: I honestly, it's it's tough to tell, because I don't

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Speaker 2: You know, maybe it doesn't have a swivel.

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Speaker 5: Well, maybe he hasn't had a coach like Koc that says, Okay,

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Speaker 5: let's let's just we can think about this a different way,

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Speaker 5: like let's let's simplify this offense in a different way.

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Speaker 5: And as they keep saying, let's keep stacking these positive

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Speaker 5: and keep stacking these wins, maybe he hasn't had that

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Speaker 5: mentorship in that coaching. It's so it's hard to say

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Speaker 5: back to Baker Mayfield. A lot of people said, doesn't

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Speaker 5: and then he finds, he finds his people, he finds

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Speaker 5: he finds his swivel. He finds his swivel in Tampa Bay.

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Speaker 1: I mean, big time example right there by the way,

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Speaker 1: Can can you ask that question just one more time

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Speaker 1: for a moment, pa about justin fields?

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Speaker 2: Justin fields?

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Speaker 1: If I say he lacks a swivel because he's like

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Speaker 2: How much?

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Speaker 1: How much merit do you think this question has so

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Speaker 1: like save the question for Kevin O'Connell at a press conference,

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Speaker 1: it would be why didn't we do this with McCarthy

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Speaker 1: early in the season. Earlier in the season, a pure progression.

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Speaker 1: It just whatever has gone into the word simplification that

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Speaker 1: an egan is preferred to be streamlining, Like do you

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Speaker 1: think that question has merit?

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Speaker 2: Sure, I think it has merit, But I don't.

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Speaker 5: I don't think that you have to think that deeply

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Speaker 5: He's probably been proving in a lot of practices and

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Speaker 5: and he probably can. You know, we heard the same

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Speaker 5: They stack the positive plays, they build momentum, and this

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Speaker 5: And the thing is, it's really more about that position

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Speaker 2: What do you think about all this?

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Speaker 5: I mean, from a pure comedy standpoint, I love it.

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Speaker 2: Well, now, Kaepernick's just absolutely right. Oh yeah, yeah, what

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Speaker 2: And I'm Riley Leonard, I'm like, mother, Yeah, I'm gonna guess.

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Speaker 5: Obviously, one guy is gonna be welcome to the locker room.

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Speaker 5: Great presence in the locker room guys are gonna love him. However,

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Speaker 5: I just don't know how physically he can do it, right,

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Speaker 1: If they are behind in games the Indianapolis Colts and

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Speaker 1: This working, say it works, okay, and it tangibly works

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Speaker 2: And hey, they won the division.

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Speaker 1: They won a playoff game with forty four year old

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Speaker 2: If this thing works, I'd tell you what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's see it kind of works.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, let's see if their agent still has their phone

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Speaker 5: So I did pose on on my social media accounts,

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Speaker 1: I even had some bee feeder by trade and my

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we have a blocking tight end that all he

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Speaker 3: I will be there, prizes, giveaways at the end of

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Speaker 3: each quarter. We're going to have a blast and hopefully

439
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 3: we're going to get to see JJ free ball and

440
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:12,200
Speaker 3: we can be singing that together or not probably that answer,

441
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,399
Speaker 3: but Gray's Food Hall Sunday night watch party.

442
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Speaker 2: Join us. That's cool.

443
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:22,400
Speaker 3: Where's the place again, Nordo, Gray's Food Hall. It's in Minneapolis.

444
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,879
Speaker 3: It's in the shadow, it's backside of target Field. It's

445
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,159
Speaker 3: an awesome spot. College football. Ben liber at Nacho liber

446
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 3: for a hot tick. First, why do you applaud Notre

447
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 3: Dame Iowa State? You're Alma Mater and Baylor for opting

448
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,639
Speaker 3: out of bowl games.

449
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 5: Because I think it's going to take something like this,

450
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:48,400
Speaker 5: to something like this and other things as big as

451
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Speaker 5: this to get the NCAA's attention that things have to change,

452
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 5: that people are not happy, that the whole system needs

453
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Speaker 5: to be so.

454
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Speaker 2: You mean portal nilas just.

455
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,919
Speaker 5: I mean, they they want to act like there are

456
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 5: certain rules and obligations to bowl games when people abuse

457
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 5: the NIL. They set a precedence for coaches to jump

458
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:24,880
Speaker 5: ship during the middle of seasons. You know, they they

459
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 5: act like you can't do this because this is the

460
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 5: way it's always been. Are you out of your mind?

461
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,399
Speaker 5: We are so off the rails with college football, like

462
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 5: don't even get me, don't even me started on, like

463
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 5: you have to do this because you know, we allow

464
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 5: you to basically be here, Like no, you don't. Notre

465
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 5: Dame and Iowa State and Kansas State and Baylor and

466
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 5: all these other teams that are opting out.

467
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Speaker 2: We don't owe you anything.

468
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,439
Speaker 5: You put us in a horrible position because of your

469
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 5: lack of leadership because for years and years and years,

470
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Speaker 5: the things that were going on under the table, I mean,

471
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 5: and the quote unquote NIL has been going on for decades.

472
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 2: It's always been under the table.

473
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,679
Speaker 5: They've they've had compliance people, they've they've policed it a

474
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 5: little bit. It remained under the table in dark because

475
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 5: they had.

476
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,640
Speaker 1: Rules and they've looked the other way a lot. Well

477
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 1: they kind well probably because I mean, but they but

478
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: they will come hard.

479
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 5: They will come down hard on organizations when they find

480
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,679
Speaker 5: out that they that they really were egregious about some

481
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 5: of this stuff, right, and now that they've now that

482
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 5: the nil is in the spotlight and now it's this

483
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 5: common practice. They've had so many years to actually legalize this,

484
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 5: allow this, and put rules in place to make it fair.

485
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 5: They refuse to do that, and now it's out of control.

486
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 5: And now it's out of control. They've done the same

487
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:57,360
Speaker 5: thing with everything in college football. So I don't want

488
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 5: to hear it that people are like, yeah, but it's

489
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:00,640
Speaker 5: about the fans.

490
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 2: I don't think the fans.

491
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Speaker 5: Find me one Notre Dame fan that's going to turn

492
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 5: their back on the team because they didn't play in

493
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 5: some meaningless bowl game.

494
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 2: Nobody, nobody, and don't sit there, don't.

495
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 5: Talk, you know, and preach that oh we we you know,

496
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 5: we want to see our team play and this is

497
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 5: what like, No, no, it's you're not out there. You're

498
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 5: basically telling these guys to do all this stuff to

499
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 5: entertain you for three hours.

500
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Speaker 2: I don't I don't understand. Will you help me with

501
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 2: one thing?

502
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Speaker 1: Is there a common thread here, Notre Dame, Iowa State,

503
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: k State, Baylor, whomever else as to why they backed

504
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: out of these bowl games?

505
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 5: Oh for sure. Well not not a common thread, but

506
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 5: there are reasons behind, so.

507
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 2: I know.

508
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 5: From Kansas State standpoint. Uh, Climbing retires. Colin Klein comes

509
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 5: in as the new head coach. Again. Weird timing. You know,

510
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 5: it's during the college football season. He's Colin Klein is

511
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 5: the offensive coordinator at Texas A and M. You think

512
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,239
Speaker 5: that they want to lose him right now? No, but

513
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 5: he's going to go back to z Alma Mater and

514
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 5: he's going to become the head coach because what what

515
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 5: an opportunity in the NCAA allows it, So he's going

516
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 5: to do it.

517
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Speaker 2: So is he coordinating A and M's game against the

518
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 2: games he is? I think they're going to allow him

519
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:16,439
Speaker 2: to do that.

520
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Speaker 1: Wow, Well that sounds like five players plucked from the

521
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 1: Well that's the thing.

522
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 5: Well, I think the thing is like, I think Texas

523
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,919
Speaker 5: and A and M is probably looking as like, well,

524
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:28,959
Speaker 5: we don't think that there's a lot of players are

525
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 5: going to jump from Texas, A and M to little

526
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 5: little Kansas State, you know.

527
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 2: And so they said about the Hoosiers.

528
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 5: Well exactly then, But if Colin is really good about

529
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 5: finding some youthful, younger kids that maybe don't have the

530
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 5: opportunity and may not have the opportunity, he might pluck.

531
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Speaker 5: The point is great for them to allow him to

532
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 5: do that. But that's a different situation where Colin wants

533
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 5: to He wants time right now to put together his

534
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 5: staff and hit hit the you know, the transfer portal,

535
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 5: and make sure that he brings in the guys.

536
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 2: He wants to implement his own team.

537
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 5: He doesn't want to be distracted by Bowl prep for

538
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 5: a meaningless game against another six and six football team

539
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 5: that nobody's gonna care about, right And all you're doing

540
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 5: is benefiting the people that run the bulls, that's it.

541
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 5: So he's he's thinking about Kansas State first and foremost,

542
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 5: which you should, I always states. Now they're in a

543
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 5: different situation. Matt Campbell had already decided not to before

544
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 5: he went to Penn State. But you look at Notre Dames.

545
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 5: Notre Dames looks like, hey, we didn't make the college

546
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 5: football Playoff. We're taking our ball and we're going to

547
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 5: go home. Screw all you guys. And I say good.

548
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 5: If that's if that's what it takes to reevaluate how

549
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,479
Speaker 5: we choose these teams and who gets in and who doesn't,

550
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 5: I'm fine with that.

551
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 2: Yep.

552
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 5: If they're gonna if they're gonna take the heat for it,

553
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 5: what do they get? What are they gonna lose? Virtually nothing?

554
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 5: Maybe what maybe a million dollars are playing in a bowl.

555
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: Game, and some of their best players would probably opt

556
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: out of the game anyway, exactly being like, got the draft,

557
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 1: I'm Jeremiah Love, I'm not playing this game right right.

558
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 2: You know that's a good breach right there.

559
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 3: Nordo, Well, I think I think that's the key is

560
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 3: as the NFL calendar continues to expand and just engulf

561
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 3: everything the exhibition, that that word in itself really dwindles

562
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 3: down the meaning of what effectively, in some ways is just.

563
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 2: A money grab, right.

564
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 3: I mean, we can have forty more bowls, We just

565
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,199
Speaker 3: need forty more sponsors that are willing to put their

566
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 3: name on a stadium, entertain a week and schools are

567
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 3: going to make some money. The one thing I wanted

568
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 3: to hit on too, though, it's not just them opting

569
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 3: out of bulls, but just what one of the biggest

570
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 3: problems I have and we see in the NFL two,

571
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 3: like the Lane Kiffen thing down with Ole miss to

572
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 3: LSU and just the the within the construct of a season.

573
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 3: We talked about it when Stefanski left as a coordinator

574
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 3: and people doing interviews with head coach. Why can't this

575
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 3: happen after the season? Everyone's in a freaking rush man

576
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 3: and the Lane not I mean they they couldn't have

577
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 3: just sat down for coffee at a handshake deal. They

578
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 3: got the papers printed out. We know what the money

579
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 3: is going to look like. We can't just wait a month.

580
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 3: But it's that rush, and it's the advance, and it

581
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 3: creeps into the back end of the season, further mitigating

582
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 3: and kind of watering down this time of the year

583
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 3: for college football.

584
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, I completely agree, you know all you know, we

585
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 5: are one of millions and millions of people around the

586
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 5: country that are screaming at the NCAA do something. The

587
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 5: schedule is out of control, it doesn't make any sense.

588
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 5: It's not fair to the coaches, it's not fair to

589
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 5: the players, it's not fair to the high school kids,

590
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 5: it's not fair to the universities. But the NCAA yet

591
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 5: does nothing. So again, whatever they can do to tear

592
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 5: this thing down and scream from the highest mountaintops that

593
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 5: people aren't happy. I mean, i've you know, I heard

594
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 5: about the Kiffin thing. You know, the reason why he

595
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 5: was asking for that was a twenty five million dollars

596
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 5: a year in NIL that's perpetual every year at LSU

597
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 5: is because he was he was staunchly against the nils

598
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 5: and just like how just loose it is in wild

599
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 5: West it is. And so he gets this new job,

600
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 5: and really it's kind of a double middle finger to

601
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 5: the nc double A and saying like, if you guys

602
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 5: are going to allow this, I'm just gonna get super stupid,

603
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 5: egregious with this thing. And see what LSU is gonna

604
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 5: allow me to do. And they allow, They're gonna allow

605
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 5: him to do twenty five million dollars every year to

606
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 5: pay players, and it's like he's kind of smiling out

607
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 5: of both sides of his mouth because he's like, I

608
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 5: get to build my roster with twenty five million dollars

609
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 5: every year, and I get to basically tell the NC DOUBLEA, Hey.

610
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 2: You're allowing me to do this. All of these.

611
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 5: Coaches and these organize organizations are gonna be that they're

612
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 5: already so pissed in the sec that they have to

613
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 5: now compete against this, and they're gonna go scream to

614
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 5: a brick wall because the NC DOUBLEA won't listen to them.

615
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 2: All right.

616
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: Lastly, the Indiana Hoosiers name came up non blue blood

617
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: football team and market me to Indiana. Is it possible

618
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: for others, for other off the radar college football teams

619
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: to do what they are doing?

620
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: Or do you absolutely have to have a Mark Cuban

621
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 2: funding the fun?

622
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 5: You know, I don't know what these guys are getting paid,

623
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 5: but when four of the defensive starters for maybe five

624
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 5: are James Madison players, this is wow. This is not

625
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 5: about it's not about having all the money in the world.

626
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 5: It's about being a smart recruiter. So I think I

627
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 5: think every every ad in around the country is saying, well,

628
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 5: we can, we can as long as we have something

629
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 5: similar to what Indiana has like Indiana already had.

630
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 2: You know, decent facilities.

631
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 5: From the way I understand it, it's not like they're

632
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 5: building this thing from nothing. If you have decent facilities

633
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 5: and you bring in the right coach and you trust

634
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 5: that he knows how to recruit, then I don't know

635
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 5: why you couldn't compete with an Ohio state that has

636
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 5: nothing but five stars. Yeah, backing up five stars, because

637
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 5: when it comes to recruiting kids, it's not about always

638
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 5: about the talent that you have right now. It's about

639
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 5: what you can have and then the coaching has to

640
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 5: come and be involved in that. And that's the one

641
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 5: thing that I'm super super proud of playing a place

642
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 5: like Kansas State was we had no choice but to

643
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 5: develop that was we didn't have. We didn't have four

644
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 5: and five star guys. We had zero star and one

645
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 5: star and two star guys. But yet, you know, we're

646
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 5: a game away from that National championship game in nineteen

647
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 5: ninety eight because because we develop, like we actually put

648
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 5: time into practice to develop fundamentals, and we find guys

649
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 5: that actually want to be there and not just guys

650
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 5: that are looking for handouts and money.

651
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 3: My last thing and this had just popped in. Is

652
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 3: the NFL wants to control everything? The nc double continues

653
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 3: to show ineptitude. Is there ever a possibility in your

654
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 3: brain where I mean tradition college football, how about that

655
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 3: that the NFL would find their way into. Well, let's

656
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Speaker 3: control more, let's set up development leagues, let's set up

657
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Speaker 3: opportunities for kids bypass the helmet school. And that's going

658
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 3: to be a tough sell, I get it. But in

659
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 3: the long term, the ability of NFL teams to actually

660
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 3: create a platform for high school age children and their

661
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 3: next step instead of college would actually be development leagues

662
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 3: to the NFL directly.

663
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 2: I mean it's not tomorrow.

664
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Speaker 5: I think it'd be fascinating to look at it from

665
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Speaker 5: this angle, though, you know, there are rumors out there

666
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 5: and I think there's no even one.

667
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Speaker 2: I forget which team it is. It's very topical.

668
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 5: They're they're looking at selling, They're selling the Conference is

669
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 5: selling off.

670
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Speaker 2: To private equity. And Utah.

671
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Speaker 5: Yeah, Utah is a specific team, and I thought there

672
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 5: was a conference that was, you know, before the conference

673
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 5: realignment stuff, they were thinking about looking at private equity.

674
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 5: You know, I think it'd be beneficial for the NFL

675
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 5: to come in and invest in college football in some

676
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Speaker 5: capacity like that. If let's just say the Big twelve

677
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 5: or the ACC, you know, not the SEC, because that's

678
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 5: the ESPN has a stronghold on that, Fox has a

679
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 5: stronghold on the Big Ten. But if the NFL came

680
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 5: in and bought the Big twelve and bought the ACC

681
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 5: and they reshaped it in the way that they saw fit, man,

682
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Speaker 5: I think it's I think it'd be a major money

683
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 5: generator for the NFL, the shield itself. And I think

684
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Speaker 5: because they actually have strong leadership, it would force this

685
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Speaker 5: supposed NC double A to adhere to what they were

686
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Speaker 5: doing in their best practices because they have a better

687
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 5: idea what's better for the players than what the NC

688
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Speaker 5: DOUBLEA does.

689
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Speaker 1: So you played for the nineteen ninety eight ks Wildcats,

690
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: number three in the BCS in December, whoa, and then

691
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,919
Speaker 1: we got Edgar and James for the Canes. As time

692
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: was running out on UCLA, Kansas State held a seventeen

693
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Speaker 1: to three lead over number ten Texas A and M

694
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,959
Speaker 1: in the second quarter of the Big Twelve Championship game,

695
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: and the crowd roared at the announcement of Miami's victory. However,

696
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: the Aggies chipped away at the Wildcats lead and tied

697
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:28,760
Speaker 1: the score at twenty seven.

698
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 2: With one minute to play.

699
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: Kansas State quarterback Michael Bishop completed a fifty five.

700
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 2: Yard hail Mary with time running.

701
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: Out, but the receiver was tackled just short of the

702
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: goal line and the game went into overtime. The teams

703
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:49,919
Speaker 1: traded field goals until A and M's Brandon Stewart threw

704
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: a thirty two yard touchdown pass to Sir Parker. They

705
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: gave the Aggies a thirty six to thirty three double

706
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:05,240
Speaker 1: overtime triumph over Lebers. Kansas State dreams uh uh, dreams

707
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: of an unlikely championship seemingly came to an end. Well,

708
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,479
Speaker 1: then it got controversial. Number four Kansas State was left

709
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: out of the BCS Balls despite their high ranking, instead

710
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: being sent to play unranked per Due in the Alamo

711
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: Bile and number ten two Lane was undefeated, but their

712
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,919
Speaker 1: light schedule eliminated them from championship consideration. The Green Wave

713
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: would match up against Brigham Young and the Liberty Ball.

714
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 2: You see, you see how long long it's been going on.

715
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Speaker 5: You see how long ago NC Double A has been

716
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Speaker 5: royally ft This whole situation.

717
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Speaker 1: Get the NC double A, the PTSD you have from

718
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: football related stuff from this. I thought it was just

719
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: nine Louisiana super Dome, the FARV game.

720
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Speaker 2: No.

721
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Speaker 5: Wow, So this is so, this is how this went down.

722
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 5: This is how corrupt college football is. So that So

723
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 5: we had the last game on Saturday night. Okay, we

724
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 5: go into double overtime against A and M. We if

725
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:10,280
Speaker 5: we win that game, we're in the National Championship game. Geez, okay.

726
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 5: So we end up losing that game against Miami, I believe. Yeah,

727
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 5: they were the number one seed. Yeah, so wow.

728
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 2: You had Gramatica on your team, yeah, Martem Wow.

729
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: And Michael Bishop, by the way, was a bomb college quarterback.

730
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, blin Blenn junior college. So here's what happened. Was

731
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 5: because of the way that the system worked back then,

732
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 5: and it's still as corrupt as it is now, all

733
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 5: of the other bowls had already agreed to the teams

734
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 5: before we played that game.

735
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 2: That's unbelievable.

736
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 5: So we lose that game, We're not they they expected

737
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:49,919
Speaker 5: us to go in the National Championship game. I don't

738
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 5: know why, because we're playing the number ranked, number ten

739
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 5: ranked Texas A and m Aggie's like, then we're not

740
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 5: playing some terrible team here.

741
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 2: Ye.

742
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 5: So we get to bull Sunday Selection Sunday, we have

743
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 5: no place to go. So all of the big bulls

744
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 5: that we should we qualified for. We were the notre

745
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 5: dame at the time. You were eleven to zero into

746
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 5: that game, eleven and oh, and we got shuffled down

747
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 5: to the alimable, just beaten nothing but ranked teams week

748
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 5: after week Colorado with Cordell Stewart.

749
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 2: Jeez, oh, I think we smashed Texas.

750
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,280
Speaker 1: You beat number eleven Nebraska forty thirty, You beat nineteen

751
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: Missouri thirty one, twenty five. Ah kay, you killed Texas

752
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: forty eight seven, third game of the season. Yeah, that

753
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: was dreadlocks and everything. I think he had well, I

754
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: think he had like maybe twenty yards rushing.

755
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 2: This is the best.

756
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 5: So then, so the point is we get shuffled down

757
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 5: to the aliable we have and we're playing Drew Brees

758
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 5: and Purdue and we end up getting beat right. But

759
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 5: the point is nobody wanted to play that game. We

760
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 5: had a team, we had a players only meeting that Monday.

761
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 2: You only lost by three at the wire. Yeah, but

762
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 2: it was a high scoring game.

763
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 5: And what you know, we had a players only meeting,

764
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 5: much like a lot of these young kids are doing

765
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 5: right now, and we had a meeting about whether or

766
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 5: not we're going to accept this Bowl invitation to go

767
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 5: down to San Antonio. And we were basically we as players,

768
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 5: said no, we don't want to play in this.

769
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:12,280
Speaker 2: This is disrespectful.

770
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 5: We don't want to play in this in this Bowl game,

771
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 5: and basically are the way we understand it now is

772
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 5: our ad basically came to the head coach and said,

773
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 5: we're leaving you know, three million dollars or whatever it

774
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 5: is on the table if we don't accept this this

775
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 5: bull bid, and you know we're still lowly k state.

776
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 5: I mean that pays for our whole coaching staff, you

777
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,439
Speaker 5: know at the time. So we were forced to play

778
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 5: a game that we didn't want to play and because

779
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 5: we knew at the time it was disrespectful because of

780
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 5: the money. So because of the money. So it's the

781
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 5: same situation. If so, if Notre Dame has the money,

782
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 5: that's awesome. To give a double middle finger to the

783
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 5: NC DOUBLEA, I say more power to you. You go

784
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 5: ahead and do it, because guess what their fans aren't

785
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 5: going anywhere. Their TV deals for next year on CBA

786
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 5: or NBC are going nowhere. Right, they can do what

787
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 5: they want. Man, Hey, you laid that out so beautifully.

788
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 5: Covenants for the second time, the show company collapse.

789
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 1: Brad Sham, the forty seven year vox for the tech

790
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Speaker 1: for the Cowboys started the radio show.

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Speaker 2: He got covenant collapse.

792
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: So does Ben liber All right, Tom, watch him on

793
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Speaker 1: Channel five today three to four thirty. Thank you Children's

794
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 1: Cancer Research Fund. See you this weekend. All right, all right, man,

795
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: Ben Liber back after this pure progression, this free blowing

796
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: foot movement that with JJ McCarthy man nine to news,

797
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 1: just looking for a little free balling.

798
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 4: It's a long year talking about our mangles, the leg

799
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 4: whips and the fastballs too.

800
00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 2: He's a young kid. Hope he turns out like Elway.

801
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 4: I've lost count to those that he overthrew.

802
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: A party to throw it over the middle and it's

803
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: intercepted by idam.

804
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 2: Duppy neurological paths.

805
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 4: The power of completions with pitch and catch doesn't have

806
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 4: to be this hard.

807
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 2: But he's a young kid.

808
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 4: You gotta keep the patience even cas.

809
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 2: Like just go spin around the yard. Now he's pre.

810
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 5: Pree.

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Speaker 1: Poor.

812
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's free. He's pree poor. Jak mc party. Now

813
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 2: he's pree. That's what Nordon wants. He wants some free

814
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 2: ball and pre balling.

815
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 3: Had somebody text ask me why you don't want him

816
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 3: to wear underwear?

817
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 2: He's pre balling. That's beautiful.

818
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: Thank you Tom Petty, Thank you Nordo, Thank you Canterbury

819
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 1: Parkcanterbury Park dot Com for news de nord Thank you

820
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: Texans box Mark Vandermere for your patience and your kindness

821
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: and your gratitude for recognizing we're gonna be a couple

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00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: of minutes later. Here we're glorifying the greats because we

823
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: got news to nord.

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00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 3: Near the Yeah, we do indeed. Sad for Gophers hoops

825
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 3: last night. They weren't able to replicate their performance against Indiana.

826
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 3: They were just absolutely pasted by Purdue eighty five fifty

827
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 3: Seven's the final You called.

828
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: That yesterday with that twenty and a half point spread.

829
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Speaker 3: Oh, it was just one of those things, I mean,

830
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 3: you know, slumpbuster for Purdue, who was just barrassed, embarrassed

831
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 3: in nearly historical fashion at home the previous game tomorrow night.

832
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:00,959
Speaker 2: Looking forward to the getting back in action.

833
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 3: I'm going through Howell would drawl with this weird Cup

834
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 3: game schedule. It's completely screwing my fantasy team. No one

835
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 3: cares about that.

836
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 2: I ain't.

837
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 3: But the Wolves are back at it at the Dubs

838
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 3: tomorrow night at nine pm.

839
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Speaker 1: Well, let's make it worse. Steph Curry's off there in

840
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: active lists. He's practicing great narrow casting my fantasy team. Functually,

841
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,919
Speaker 1: of course, face is Steph Curry this week. He's missed

842
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: a month. Now I'll get him so how it always works.

843
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: But for the how, yeah, they're very much a goin

844
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: to get step tomorrow.

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00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 2: Night pre balling now.

846
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, So thirteen and twelve Dubs have had their own

847
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 3: worries with injuries and various things. Wolves largely healthy. Let's

848
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 3: get that w tomorrow and then final hour, final thing. PA,

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00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 3: We're gonna have Joe Smith of the Athletic on he

850
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 3: covers the Minnesota Wild because that's kind of the a topic. Tonight,

851
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 3: YEP is seven o'clock puck drop Dallas Stars in Town

852
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,720
Speaker 3: and the Wild. They're playing host at Grand Casino Arena,

853
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 3: So bounce back and forth or just stick to the

854
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,760
Speaker 3: puckets on your home for Wild Hockey the Fan Thursday

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Speaker 3: Night football of course Falcons and Bucks who care. Let's

856
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 3: see if Caprice off and all members of the Minnesota

857
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 3: Wild can be wearing Christmas colors and getting two points

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Speaker 3: tonight at Grand Casino Arena.

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Speaker 1: Joe Smith the lead hockey mine with the Athletic Athletic

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Speaker 1: dot Com and d does join about twenty minutes from now,

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Speaker 1: and he tweeted about fifteen minutes ago.

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00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 2: Two things here.

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Speaker 1: One, thank you coach Hines for shooting straight with nine

864
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Speaker 1: to now as he shared yesterday, don't count on.

865
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 2: Zooki or Midzy tonight.

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Speaker 1: Indeed with the line combinations at the morning skate, Joe

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Speaker 1: tweets at Joe Smith NHL the Wild Goat Caprice off,

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Speaker 1: You're off, Tarasenko, Jojo, Eric Sinec, Boldi, Trainion Hartman and Ogrin, Jones,

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Speaker 1: Sturm and Pittlick for the fourth line so no Felinos still.

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Speaker 1: Then brodin In Faber, Damien Hunt and Jared Spurgeon, AH

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Speaker 1: Captain and zeb Bullam and a Bogosian for the third

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Speaker 1: pairing on DEEV Joe from the Athletic fifteen twenty minutes

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Speaker 1: from now. Our Weekly Football segment we began when the

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Speaker 1: team was four and eight, now it's five and eight,

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Speaker 1: or we're gonna keep the segment going called Glorifying the Greats,

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Speaker 1: focused on the Pats last week. This week we will

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Speaker 1: chat about the Houston Texans, and we'll do so with

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Speaker 1: their box around the Corner on Kfan