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Speaker 1: Spirit health text line, Broncos Country tonight coming up the

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Speaker 1: top of the hour at six o'clock and Who's goes

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Speaker 1: to work in grants you very nice and Nick Erg.

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Speaker 2: You and Nick Erg looking forward to that.

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Speaker 1: Nix by the way, off to it, red hot, start here,

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Speaker 1: show me the money six and oh I tried chasing

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Speaker 1: last night.

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Speaker 2: Did not go so well, not well at all. Think

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Speaker 2: he's gonna have his highest ratings in months.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's gonna be more listenable than ever. But that's

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that always equates to listen to

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Speaker 2: Going for at that show? So well, I guess I

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Speaker 2: don't know, because ratings sometimes people assign that is to

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Speaker 2: being a good show, but that doesn't Yeah, sometimes you

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Speaker 2: just have good ratings. And Andy Kaufman had good rings. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I see what you did there. It's good.

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Speaker 1: Uh, starting faster, you know you brought up a point

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Speaker 1: start faster, some RPOs getting BIX more comfortable.

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Speaker 2: Here was Sean Payton, so he was and I brought

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Speaker 2: this stat yesterday.

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Speaker 1: This is actually from James Palmer about different I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you saw bo Nix's first three quarters versus

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Speaker 2: Okay, we'll bring.

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Speaker 3: I'm assuming here's horrible compared to laughably absurd good.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, you're spot on. Do you want to hear

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Speaker 1: the shattered away? Yeah, you're not wrong. Fourth quarter Nicks's

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Speaker 1: second in total yards. Yeah, no one has more game

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Speaker 2: Well, there's theater.

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Speaker 1: It's a four way tie thing. Yea, any one has more.

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Speaker 1: You're right, no one has more. Yes, fourth quarter comebacks.

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Speaker 1: He has more touchdowns, more first downs, and completions over

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Speaker 2: Yes, all in the fourth quarter. I would absolutely believe

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Speaker 1: So his nine touchdowns, forty first downs, and has more

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Speaker 1: completions over ten yards than anybody else in the first

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Speaker 1: three quarters, though only Cam Moore has a lower completion

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Speaker 1: percentage than Knicks at fifty nine point five, Dylan Gabriel

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Speaker 1: has only Dylan Gabriel has averaged fewer yards per attempt,

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Speaker 1: and only Geno Smith with ten Justin Herbert with seven

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: Sounds about right, and it goes back.

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Speaker 3: It's funny because you know at the beginning of the year,

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Speaker 3: when when he came out, he was like then both

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Speaker 3: seems to be a little hot at the beginning of games,

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Speaker 3: you know, they you know, it seems to we need

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Speaker 2: Well, now we're ten games. Now everybody's on board with that.

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Speaker 3: They were laughing at me and teld me I have

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Speaker 3: some down or whatever at the time, But now everybody's yeah,

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Speaker 3: run running, put him on some put him on some

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Speaker 1: So here's Sean on how he can make things maybe

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Speaker 1: easier for bo Nicks.

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Speaker 2: It's not just it's not bo.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's part of the whole process

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Speaker 4: offensively and constantly in our game planning this week. Certainly

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Speaker 4: opponents vary what they do scheme wise. This this is

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Speaker 4: Constantly looking at, you know, how can we find you know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the penalties are you know, under the radar of

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Speaker 2: But he's nails for an entire quarter of football.

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Speaker 1: He's the best quarterback, if not one of the best

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Speaker 2: In fact, I to argue the quarter that matters the most.

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Speaker 1: But the thing is is you don't get to do that,

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Speaker 2: I think, doesn't this sound like a conversation we had

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Speaker 2: You get the reference though, two.

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Speaker 3: Dimensional object, yes, sphere for yeah, I know that it's

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Speaker 3: a if only Nick That'siletto was capable of writing something

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Speaker 1: You always have to feel like you're the smartest person

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Speaker 2: And it's it's it's frustrating because you want to sit

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Speaker 3: Why can't we just bottle up what they're doing in

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Speaker 2: It's Sean Paytons vill It's bo Nixon fall, It's all

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Speaker 3: Sean is turtling with the play calling, and it's it's

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Speaker 3: you got receivers dropping balls.

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Speaker 2: We saw that we had it Ingram on earlier.

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Speaker 3: Ingram dropped an easy third down completion early in the

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Speaker 2: So it's not just it's not any one thing.

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Speaker 3: It's that's the frustration level I think that you hear

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Speaker 3: for Sean Payton, it's a frustration level year everybody else

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Speaker 2: So where do you start. That's the real questions, Like

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Speaker 1: I think that they're always looking for reasons to bring

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Speaker 1: Like I legitimately think that because of this defense, because

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Speaker 2: I mean it really is.

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Speaker 1: teams are losing boat headed games they shouldn't they have

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Speaker 1: They're just got but they got clear of these hurdles,

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Speaker 3: Well, and that's sort of my problem because all circles

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Speaker 3: They do have the potentially be the best team in

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Speaker 2: So, who's really the web blanket here? Ran my damn Ryan.

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Speaker 3: It's just the question I think is a sustainability question.

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Speaker 3: And you know, it was by far the worst offensive

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Speaker 2: All right, the Raiders. I'd never like to give the

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Speaker 3: Well, the Raiders defense is not as bad as people think,

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Speaker 2: Plus motivated. You play a division rival and ruin things

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Speaker 3: I mean, this Kansas City game, I think is going

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Speaker 3: I'll say this though, I think the pressures on Kansas

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Speaker 2: If that.

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Speaker 2: I thought he had a lot of really great things

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Speaker 2: That's going to be the challenge and that's the task

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Speaker 1: But there were some good vibes, there were some good

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Speaker 2: It's got to work this time, right, this is the time.

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Speaker 2: This is the one right here.

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Speaker 1: So interesting sat that Dan Orlowski tweeted out right before

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Speaker 3: Saw the stat it's I haven't, but I know it's Denver.

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Speaker 3: In non obvious situations, you know as far as that goes,

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Speaker 2: This was something I went down the rabbit hole. That's

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Speaker 1: I was listening to a breakdown on Mina Kain's podcast

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Speaker 3: Actually, I hate I hate Mina kimes is premise there

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Speaker 3: because it gives you leeway both ways.

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Speaker 2: It's one of those things where.

442
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Speaker 3: You get to pick a hypothetical that can't be disproven

443
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Speaker 3: and then you get to play both sides of this.

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Speaker 2: Well, Broncos fans, I would have picked you, except.

445
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Speaker 3: That you were missing this you know this player over here, which,

446
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Speaker 3: by the way, I would say Dobbins would be the

447
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Speaker 3: one that would more for frustrate me than Certan, given

448
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Speaker 3: the Broncos defense's performance without Certan, even though Certan is

449
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Speaker 3: a great player. That's said, I agree with you. I mean,

450
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Speaker 3: I think having Aram's drain and those guys out there

451
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Speaker 3: and get a chance to get used to each other.

452
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Speaker 3: I think the question isn't how much they're going to

453
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Speaker 3: miss r Tan. I think the question is how much

454
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Speaker 3: a're going to miss Ertan and Singleton. Whatever you think

455
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Speaker 3: of Singleton going away from the ball, he's worn the

456
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Speaker 3: green dot. He's been the guy that got everybody lined up.

457
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Speaker 3: You know, he does a lot of things for you.

458
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Speaker 3: It's got to be interesting to see what this defense

459
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Speaker 3: looks like without two major pieces missing as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Singleton one might be the bigger deal, even though

461
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Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people want to admit

462
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Speaker 1: to it.

463
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Speaker 2: Right, Really, Sotan's a better player.

464
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Speaker 3: But what Singleton does and has been, you know, and

465
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Speaker 3: he's just he just doesn't miss games.

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Speaker 1: Well. VJ pointed it out dur his press conference today

467
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Speaker 1: that he had made a mistake, Like VJ said, I

468
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Speaker 1: made a mistake and a play call and Alex got

469
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Speaker 1: us in the right position, right, And that is like

470
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Speaker 1: a low key massive Gale field for a guy that

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Speaker 1: right exactly. Now, whatever you think about him athletically or

472
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Speaker 1: what he brings as far as the high d that

473
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Speaker 1: you're looking for the inside linebacker, that's a different discussion.

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Speaker 1: His brain, his mind certainly is a big deal. And

475
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Speaker 1: so for instinctually what kind of a hit are you

476
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Speaker 1: taking there at the inside linebacker position for the knowledge

477
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Speaker 1: of the defense? You know, Dave said he thought that

478
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Speaker 1: Drake Greenlaw might make the most sense there for the dot.

479
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Speaker 1: I think I'm probably more Brandon Jones on this side

480
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Speaker 1: of things.

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Speaker 2: We'll see what they do.

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Speaker 1: I guess evenster Nod would be a conversation considering that

483
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Speaker 1: he also has a lot of familiarity of the defense.

484
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Speaker 2: So I'm trying to remember who got.

485
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Speaker 1: The green dot was Was it a Barton that got

486
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Speaker 1: it last year? Yeah?

487
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Speaker 2: Okay, did it last year? I I don't know.

488
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Speaker 3: I'm with Dave on the because, like when Dave says,

489
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Speaker 3: I'm a football traditionals, if you're the safety and you're

490
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Speaker 3: trying to get everybody lined up, you really got to

491
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Speaker 3: project that voice down there out front, you know, to

492
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Speaker 3: those to those guys down front, And if your defense

493
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Speaker 3: is on the field, it tends to be pretty loud

494
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Speaker 3: in a home environment, so it's tough to do that,

495
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Speaker 3: which means you've got to come up and do those

496
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Speaker 3: kinds of things. So you know, a box safety doesn't

497
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Speaker 3: isn't a bad idea.

498
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Speaker 2: But there's there's tricks to that.

499
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Speaker 3: Like he has to if he's going to be, especially

500
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Speaker 3: at a high position, he's got to be down front

501
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Speaker 3: and then bail out to get back to his position

502
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Speaker 3: after he's online everybody up or you know all that

503
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Speaker 3: kind of stuff. So there is something too having a

504
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Speaker 3: linebacker do that, especially at home where it's going to

505
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Speaker 3: be very loud while your defense is on the field,

506
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Speaker 3: versus on the road, where it's a little bit different.

507
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Speaker 3: It's actually be quiet while your defense on the field.

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Speaker 2: A couple of.

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Speaker 1: Texts here on our KWA Common Spirit Hill text line

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Speaker 1: five six six nine zero. Bin is Worthyes, injuries serious

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Speaker 1: Kimbo with an ankle today?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, okay, No, he's on the reports. He's going,

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Speaker 3: he's going to play. He's there, he's going to be

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Speaker 3: a go Okay, so.

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Speaker 2: I was limited today, I believe limited today. Yeah, he's

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Speaker 2: he's going to be fine though. Okay, probably more of

517
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Speaker 2: a fancy question here.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, just start with I mean against against the

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Speaker 3: Broncos defense.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, you know, take your pick your poison there.

521
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Speaker 2: But it's a weird.

522
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Speaker 1: Deal because when Racey Rice came back, now that if

523
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Speaker 1: you're worthy had a massive role, he'll have everything to

524
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Speaker 1: walk to the game where he's he's a big time contributor.

525
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Speaker 1: I think they had a big plan for him earlier

526
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Speaker 1: in the season and then they got hurt with that

527
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Speaker 1: friendly fire shot with Travis Kelcey. But then when Racie

528
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Speaker 1: Rice came back, the entire offense seems to kind of

529
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Speaker 1: focal point around him. Now, my question on that is

530
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Speaker 1: the Broncos haven't done a pretty decent job generally speaking.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying you're gonna shut down Racie Rice because

532
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Speaker 1: of the way they utilize him, But when there's like

533
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Speaker 1: a guy that is like the singular focus of the team,

534
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Speaker 1: so like Brock Powers last week, Jake Ferguson was one

535
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Speaker 1: of those guys. I mean he was leading the league

536
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Speaker 1: at tight ends for catches and touchdowns. They have shown

537
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Speaker 1: the ability when hey, we'll put our eggs in the

538
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Speaker 1: basket of saying this is the guy that's not beating us. Well, yeah,

539
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Speaker 1: if the Broncos defense literally says we're gonna make it

540
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Speaker 1: very tough for you to complete passes and do much

541
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Speaker 1: with Rachie Rice, is that gonna be enough?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean yes and no. I mean the Broncos

543
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Speaker 3: have advance comes from the Belichick philosophy. We're going to

544
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Speaker 3: take away the thing you do best and force you

545
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Speaker 3: to bea us with other things. They did that with

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Speaker 3: a J. Brown. I mean DeVante got eight catches for

547
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Speaker 3: one hundred and fourteen on and fifty of those came

548
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Speaker 3: on one play. They did that against the Bengals where

549
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Speaker 3: they took away you know, Jamar Chase, but then they

550
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Speaker 3: got you know Tis going in that game.

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Speaker 1: I think, well, he almost had a really big game,

552
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Speaker 1: but then one of his catches was called back. But yes,

553
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Speaker 1: to me, he right, he was. We wondered whether it'd

554
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Speaker 1: be like a CD and George Pickens. They both had

555
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Speaker 1: like seven catches each, but then either of them gashed.

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Speaker 2: You. Yeah, they're like seventy some yards each.

557
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Speaker 3: Philosophically, they want to take away what you do best

558
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Speaker 3: to do that. So the question is what do you

559
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Speaker 3: do best?

560
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Speaker 2: That is that? Where she is that Travis Kelcey, you know.

561
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Speaker 3: And that's been the problem I think in defending Kansasites,

562
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Speaker 3: because they do so many things well, as much as

563
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Speaker 3: we're loath to admit it. And so for me, I

564
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Speaker 3: think I think you kind of look at this and say, okay,

565
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Speaker 3: let's let's look at this a little bit differently. What

566
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Speaker 3: is it that everybody else is having is doing. That's

567
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Speaker 3: causing them to be to slow him down, and that

568
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Speaker 3: is forcing him to take what's in front of him,

569
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Speaker 3: all right, And then the other side of that is, okay,

570
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Speaker 3: well if they do a lot of things, well then

571
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Speaker 3: we can't take one thing away. Let's take away the

572
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Speaker 3: distributor of that. So to me, that means firing up

573
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Speaker 3: the pass rush and sending things at Pat Mahomes.

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Speaker 2: It means it.

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Speaker 1: Means showing a too high coverage or maybe being in

576
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Speaker 1: a too high shell with maybe a man underneath, and

577
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Speaker 1: throwing everything else you can in as many rotations as

578
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Speaker 1: you can as Pat Mahomes, because if you can't stop

579
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Speaker 1: the individual matchups, then you need to stop the distributor

580
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Speaker 1: of the ball to those matchups right well, and the

581
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Speaker 1: idea is, and you saw this, we went Buffalo, they

582
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Speaker 1: sent four and they had a lot of success. They're

583
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Speaker 1: getting home with four or if you can get home

584
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Speaker 1: with four and five, then do it. And the Broncos

585
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Speaker 1: have been one of the best teams in the league

586
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Speaker 1: doing that. Now getting it kneed JFM and he came

587
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Speaker 1: up with a back injury today. Hopefully that ends up

588
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Speaker 1: being not a big deal. But you've been able to

589
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Speaker 1: get home with four a lot this year. And I

590
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Speaker 1: do think that the one benefit of playing the Chiefs

591
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Speaker 1: is you know, they really aren't going to beat you

592
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Speaker 1: with the run, you know, Like I'm not saying they're

593
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Speaker 1: one dimensional, because Patrick Mahomes can be the run game,

594
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Speaker 1: so you have to pay attention to that. But like

595
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Speaker 1: we're playing, for example, the Bills, and I know that's

596
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Speaker 1: kind of a weird year for Josh Allen, but just

597
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Speaker 1: go with me on it. You got to guard Agains,

598
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Speaker 1: James Cook, you gotta gegainst the Gardians, him Ros, scrambling

599
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Speaker 1: and the passing game can be lethal.

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Speaker 2: Like all three of those things can really beat you

601
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Speaker 2: with the Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to discredit them because they're when

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Speaker 1: they when they want to be. Kareem Hunt isn't gonna

604
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Speaker 1: freak me out, Like like he's a powerful running back

605
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Speaker 1: and he certainly does a great job after contact, but

606
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Speaker 1: he's not a burner. He's not good. Now now they

607
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Speaker 1: got Brichhard Smith, I will say that, but.

608
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Speaker 2: They don't use him. That's the tapte you watching in

609
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Speaker 2: these games.

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Speaker 1: You're like, hey man, your fastest, most dynamic running back

611
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Speaker 1: you barely use.

612
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Speaker 2: Right, that's not how they run the ball.

613
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Speaker 3: They run the ball to put themselves in manageable positions.

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Speaker 3: Sure like you aither run it on first down and

615
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Speaker 3: to get four or five, you know, hoping you get

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Speaker 3: four or five put yourself for two shots at a

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Speaker 3: first down, or you if you missed the pass on

618
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Speaker 3: first down. They will run it on second down in

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Speaker 3: an effort to put themselves in third manageable and then

620
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Speaker 3: they run assaulted away. They run short yardage stuff if

621
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Speaker 3: they need short yardage or you know, goal line.

622
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Speaker 2: But they don't run the ball to run the ball.

623
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Speaker 2: They just don't.

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Speaker 1: But that's my points, like you're not guarding against this

625
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Speaker 1: like jabberwockie of of Hey, you got the running game

626
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Speaker 1: and you got the passing game. The biggest thing, and

627
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Speaker 1: VJ talked about quite a bit today was it's it's

628
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Speaker 1: it's the second play. It's the third version of the play. Right,

629
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Speaker 1: It's not the that's called what's called you generally probably

630
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Speaker 1: have a plan for. It's what they do improvisationally after

631
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Speaker 1: the fact. And you got a plaster that's the biggest deal.

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Speaker 1: And then I'm not telling any people that they don't

633
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Speaker 1: know about the Kansas City Chiefs. I'm just saying, when

634
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Speaker 1: you're preparing for this game without Isaiah Pacheco, which I

635
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Speaker 1: did think gave them a little bit of that bump

636
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Speaker 1: in the run game, I'm kind of selling out on

637
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Speaker 1: everything else. Like at this point, I'm like, Hey, if

638
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: Kareem Hunt riffs off of twenty yarder, hey good for you, man.

639
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: We have guys that can catch up to you. I'm

640
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 1: not worried about Kareem Hunt busting one for fifty yards.

641
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 1: It's probably not gonna happen in this game. The bigger

642
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 1: deal here is letting Patrick Mahomes escape. And so when

643
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Speaker 1: you're talking about getting home with four, it's like you

644
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: just can't give those You can't over rush. You kind

645
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Speaker 1: of have to mush rush a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Dvance's experience with that, I mean Vance, it was up

647
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Speaker 3: against Advance was the first person to try.

648
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Speaker 2: He got out of his one high went too high

649
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Speaker 2: against Mahomes back in the day when he was the

650
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Speaker 2: head coach here. So we've seen that. Now.

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Speaker 3: They didn't win those games, but they put together the

652
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Speaker 3: best defensive performances to that date up against Mahomes. Delfangio,

653
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Speaker 3: you know, sort of. I would they solved it, but

654
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Speaker 3: showed what you have to do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 3: I think the main thing to keep your eye on

657
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 3: is scrambled to rules. So kansasdate is different scrambled rules

658
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 3: and just better. But I think everybody knows they're played game.

659
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 3: If your north gets south, if you're south, get north right.

660
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 3: Kansaatey to do that with their scrambled ril stuff. They

661
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 3: got one guy who's dedicated to get north every play,

662
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 3: and one guy who's dedicated to come across the field

663
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 3: horizontally every play.

664
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Speaker 2: And so there's there's.

665
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 3: Scrambled rules are a little bit different, and if you

666
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 3: can kind of figure that out, then you go all right, Well,

667
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 3: when the play busts down, this is how I need

668
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 3: to get sticky with this guy instead of the way

669
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,439
Speaker 3: you normally would with Oh he's vertical, he's going back

670
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 3: for the ball, or he's short, he's going deep.

671
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 2: A couple more texts here.

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00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 1: Five six six nine zero is little Jo and Humphrey

673
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 1: and upgrade over Trent Sherfield. I haven't heard his name

674
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: called much this year, but I know the team brought

675
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: him in primarily to be a blocking wide receiver because

676
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 1: he is a team first guy. What would your letter

677
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: grade evaluation of Surefield be?

678
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 2: So far this year? A few times I've noticed him blocking,

679
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 2: he seemed to do quite well. Well, that's the thing.

680
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: So pressure Field is kind contributions have been obviously in

681
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: special teams and he's been a blocking wide receiver. He's

682
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: not going like three catches yeah on the year, So

683
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: one first.

684
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 2: Down all year. He is not a guy.

685
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 3: That's that's you know, he's mostly a special teams guy.

686
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 2: And then you know they have him out there to

687
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 2: block on some stuff. Yeah, So I mean letter grade,

688
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 2: I don't know.

689
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: You know, we watched him in training camp and I

690
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 1: think we all kind of got excited about maybe just

691
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: this extra fifth wide receiver option for the off passing offense.

692
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: And then as the seasons weren't on, you barely Eve

693
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 1: involved in Evan Ingram even as much as we all thought,

694
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 1: at least I thought would be the case.

695
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,479
Speaker 2: So there's that's what happens, right.

696
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: You see in training camp, Okay, that there's a heavy

697
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: utilization of a player, like we're coming in reporting what

698
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: we're seeing, Hey man, tri sure Field's getting targeted a lot.

699
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 2: Evan Ingram is getting targeted a lot, and then.

700
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: You get to the season and well, those things don't

701
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: necessarily always happen the way that we saw, at least

702
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: at a time.

703
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 3: Sherefield has one hundred fewer snaps than Pat Bryant this year.

704
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 3: To put that in perspective, mean, sure, Frincherfield has as

705
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 3: many snaps on the field as Nate Atkins for the season,

706
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 3: you know, and he's been out for a few games.

707
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 3: He's just not I mean, Sheffield's in on half the

708
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 3: special team stats for the year, but he's only had

709
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 3: one hundred and sixty three total snaps of offense this

710
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 3: entire season. To put that in perspective, Uh, you know,

711
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 3: Cortland Sutton has five hundred and eighty six you know,

712
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,239
Speaker 3: like there's you know, the bow has been on six

713
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 3: hundred and sixty five plays, like treasure Field's been in

714
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 3: on twenty percent of the snaps. So it's it's really

715
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 3: not that that's a non factor.

716
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: So is el is little Jem Humphrey gonna be up

717
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: over Mercedes Lewis.

718
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 2: That's kind of what I'm wondering.

719
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 3: I would uh, I would suspect, So that's my guess

720
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 3: because Lewis was a liability in that Raiders game with Flags,

721
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 3: we had two and you know, I mean it was.

722
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 2: It was a bit false starts yeaheah, it was a

723
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 2: bit of a liability.

724
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 3: Well you had a hole too that either did you

725
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 3: have a qualified or did you know whatever? I remember

726
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 3: the two falls start may have an offsetting or something

727
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 3: like that, but he had, he had a couple of

728
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 3: He was a liability to that game. And I mean,

729
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 3: with all due respect because it was a feel good story.

730
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 3: You keep him around a couple more weeks to see

731
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 3: if the RUSS comes off. If not, then what are

732
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 3: we doing here? You know, I and I would expect

733
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 3: a little Jordan Humphrey to be up this game. Like

734
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 3: what everything I was told was that they were bringing

735
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 3: him in to play this game.

736
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: Well, his agent even confirmed that. Okay, it's his agent

737
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: to Mike Cliss said, yeah, he's he's signed with the

738
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: practice squad and he's playing this weekend.

739
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 2: Okay, there you go. So again, familiarity with the offense helps.

740
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 2: He already knows Yeah, he already knows the offense.

741
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 3: You know, this is there's not really anyclimatization, so it's

742
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 3: not like he went here last year, you know. So

743
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 3: he knows what's going on with all that he's in

744
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 3: there to be and this is you should kind of

745
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 3: tip the hand a little bit. I mean, you know

746
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,479
Speaker 3: why litt Jordan Humphrey's here. You know what they're gonna do.

747
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 3: You know what the game plan is. If they're bringing him,

748
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 3: you know what the game plan is. We're running a

749
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 3: lot of screens. He's gonna be out there for screens.

750
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: Well, so this is an interesting thing that I wanted

751
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: to maybe talk to you about that a little more

752
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: on the other side.

753
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 2: But Marvin min Is being back. It's a really big

754
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 2: deal for this offense, I think so.

755
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 3: I mean, he is by far your most athletic player,

756
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 3: and hopefully some of the targets that have been going

757
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 3: to Troy Franklin will go to him.

758
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 2: I believe so.

759
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: Watching the way they use Khalil Shakir in this last

760
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: game for the Buffalo Bills versus the kans City Chiefs,

761
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: I basically said, I think they could do everything they

762
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: were doing with Kali Shakhir. They were doing a lot

763
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: of short, intermediate stuff. They weren't doing the deep stuff

764
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: with Khalil Shaker versus the Chiefs, and they're usually him

765
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: more to neutralize some of that pass rush for the

766
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: Chiefs and to get the ball out of Josh Allen's

767
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: hands as fast as possible. But there's a lot of screens,

768
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: there's shallow crosses, there were stuff that he could get his.

769
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 2: Speed going and get upfield.

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Speaker 1: And one of the things that really impressed me the most,

771
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Speaker 1: and this is why I thought about little Jordan Humphrey,

772
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: is the receiver blocking and the tied end blocking, especially downfield,

773
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: was very, very good in this game.

774
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: The Buffalo Bills like they do a great job.

775
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: And the reason why their run game is the way

776
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: it is is because these guys understand it and whether

777
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: it's going to be James Cook or it's gonna be

778
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: Josh Allen running it, there's a mindset that they've all

779
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: bought into. Once they get a sense that Josh is

780
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: gonna run, they turn around and they start blocking, and

781
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: those usually turn into some big runs.

782
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 2: So whether that's Moo Nickson.

783
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: Gets an opportunity to that, or Argent Harvey or in

784
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: this case Marvin Mims, whether you're channing him off or

785
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: you're just getting him short quick passes to supplement the

786
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: run game a bit. I think he's gonna have a

787
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: really big role this week. Well, that Buffalo thing is

788
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: by design.

789
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 3: You notice how much of Buffalo's offense goes left to

790
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,959
Speaker 3: right or right to left instead of north to south right.

791
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 3: That's because when you're flashing your numbers back the quarterback,

792
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:20,959
Speaker 3: your eyes are back there too.

793
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 2: You can see when they take off and you can

794
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 2: turn around a block.

795
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 3: If your back is to the quarterback and you're on

796
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 3: a vertical route, you're not gonna be able to know,

797
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 3: you know, when that's happening, unless there's a roar of

798
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 3: the crowd, which you got to peek back and you know,

799
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 3: kind of do that because so there's designs to that too.

800
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 3: That's not really built into what we do, but it

801
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 3: would be nice. I do, I do agree with you.

802
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 3: I do believe Mim is gonna have a big day.

803
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 3: I think you know, if you if you're betting on

804
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 3: anybody but Marvin Mims, to have a big day is

805
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 3: probably necessary. I think to beating the Chiefs.

806
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 2: Look at us agreeing on something. You know, just feel good?

807
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 2: You feelt dirty? Do you feel ashamed? I feel like

808
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 2: I need to take a shower. Baited you into it

809
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 2: a little bit.

810
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: I don't because I argued both sides, and you really

811
00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: had nowhere else to go.

812
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 2: But I'll take it. I'll he could have it's a dub.

813
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 2: I could have gone somewhere else. Don't challenge me, Okay,

814
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 2: all right, we'll come back. I do want to talk

815
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: a little about J. Harvey. We'll get into that a

816
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 2: little bit.

817
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: Also again, coming up at five point thirty tonight, Paul

818
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:16,719
Speaker 1: Deep Podesta exclusive interview with Toys The Baracki's Jack Corgan.

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