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Speaker 1: Welcome back. You are listening to Let's Garden Scott Berlin.

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Speaker 1: That's me. I'm here with Brian George. Let's just say

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Speaker 1: my co host today, sometimes enemy, sometimes friend from the

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Speaker 1: Sinsan Potanical Garden and Zoo. And just a reminder that

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Speaker 1: the podcasts are available almost immediately after the show on

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Speaker 1: your favorite podcast podcast provider. We have with us now, Brian.

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Speaker 1: One of my favorite people, Jennifer Brennan from Chicago. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's true, I enjoy every minute with you, Jennifer's. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't happen often enough, but we catch each other at

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Speaker 1: the Perennial plan Association conferences and sometimes a few other things.

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Speaker 1: You're always so positive and so knowledgeable. I knew you

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Speaker 1: had a great background, but when I did a little

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Speaker 1: research on this, I was amazed at all the things

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Speaker 1: you have done.

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Speaker 2: My gosh, you're jug into my past.

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Speaker 1: Ye take it to your past and you've been. You've

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Speaker 1: worked at what is it Chalet Landscape and Nursery Garden

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Speaker 1: Center for many years and what a great way to

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Speaker 1: learn everything center thirty five years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I just retired February first from there.

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Speaker 1: And then you immediately started your own company. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: you're now a horticultural consultant. Yes, you do a lot

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Speaker 1: of speaking, go ahead.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh it's fantastic because I do on site consultations.

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Speaker 3: I saw a real need for that, you know, and

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Speaker 3: then going into people's gardens to actually see, you know,

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Speaker 3: see what's going on, you know, in you know, in

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Speaker 3: real dimensions. And it's so different than looking at a

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Speaker 3: photo and you know, and then just looking at samples

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Speaker 3: under a microscope. And so it has it has been

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Speaker 3: so much fun. And I mean things are kicking off

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Speaker 3: like crazy. I love it, love it.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations, that's really awesome. You've been part of the Perennial

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Speaker 1: Plan Association also for a very long time. Uh you

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Speaker 1: won thirty years thirty years, Yeah, guard you won the

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Speaker 1: Garden Media Award, which is awesome. You were president. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for a while. So and you and you you

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Speaker 1: studied with doctor Durr back at the University of Illinois.

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Speaker 1: Is that correct?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, back when he was a sweet young thing, you know.

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Speaker 2: I mean seriously, to me, it's like thirty five and.

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Speaker 3: We were all you know, in our you know, our

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Speaker 3: our early twenties. So so I mean, and and he

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Speaker 3: he can be a bit competitive and back then.

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Speaker 2: He's really competitive.

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Speaker 3: I mean back then, and man, he hated, he hated

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Speaker 3: that I got an A in his course by point

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Speaker 3: zero three points.

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Speaker 1: But you did it, you did it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I did it.

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Speaker 1: I did it.

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Speaker 4: I did it.

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Speaker 1: For people who don't know, doctor Michael Durr has written

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Speaker 1: the what is it called the Manual of Woody Plants

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Speaker 1: or Woody Landscape.

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Speaker 2: What he yeah, what he landscape plans.

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Speaker 3: You know, that was that's like he was, you know,

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Speaker 3: he was the maven for you know, he is the

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Speaker 3: maven for for woody plants.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, that's the bible every HOURT student uh has to

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Speaker 1: have I think, uh and uh.

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Speaker 2: And like now now it's like it's like four inches thick.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And my class, my class was the class that had

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Speaker 3: his very first book and it was you know it

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Speaker 3: And from I think the company was, you know, Stipes

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Speaker 3: And and when I ran into him, oh, I know,

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Speaker 3: the Chicago Horticultural Society gave him a big honor and

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Speaker 3: one because I didn't want to carry the great big

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Speaker 3: new one to go get it. I never had him

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Speaker 3: autograph it. I walked up to him and he's got

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Speaker 3: that Laurence Wring. He goes, oh my god, you still

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Speaker 3: ahead of that. He said, yeah, you know, I didn't

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Speaker 3: want to carry the having one to get your autograph.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know why I didn't get you an

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Speaker 3: autographic back then, so you know. So, but he was

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Speaker 3: learned so much from him.

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Speaker 1: So he's doing a lot of breeding work now, he's

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Speaker 1: putting a lot of he's retired from University of Georgia

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Speaker 1: and and now he's been breeding a lot of iberniums

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he does great selections.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of plant breeding, that was one of the subjects

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Speaker 1: cool to bring up during this conversation. Yeah, and you've

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Speaker 1: got a lot of plants here that you wanted to

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Speaker 1: talk about by some of our favorite different breeders, and

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Speaker 1: number one would be Hans Hansen out of Walter's Garden

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Speaker 1: or Gardens or proven winners up in Michigan and yeah,

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Speaker 1: the best. He's such a good guy. We got him

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Speaker 1: to speak at one of our symposiums a few years

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Speaker 1: so nervous. He doesn't like to get in front of people.

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Speaker 2: In speak too much.

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Speaker 1: But I worked I worked on him for a few years.

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Speaker 1: It took a while, but you know what, as nervous

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Speaker 1: speakers go, he was just so authentic and from the

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Speaker 1: beginning everybody in the room was just wrapped uh with

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Speaker 1: in the work. I've got to tour up there in

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Speaker 1: Michigan with him and look at all the things he's

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Speaker 1: working with. It was so mind blowing, is really the

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Speaker 1: way to describe it. His Mongavi collection.

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Speaker 2: Oh god.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, did you get to see.

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Speaker 2: His garden too?

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Speaker 1: I did not. I've seen photos online and different things,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I shouldn't have said that. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, I feel cheated now.

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Speaker 2: On your bucket.

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Speaker 3: No, absolutely, it's quite a few miles away from Walters,

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Speaker 3: so you know, so you probably just didn't have enough

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Speaker 1: Definitely, it was a Worldwin trip. But you know, I

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Speaker 1: describe hats as saying, almost anybody listening right now probably

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Speaker 1: has at least one of his plants in their gardens.

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Speaker 1: Such a prolific breeder of much many, many popular cultivars.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty amazing. What are you what are your some

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Speaker 1: some of your favorites.

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Speaker 3: Oh, you know, I I any any of his hostas

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Speaker 3: that he comes out with, Brother Steve, and I love

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Speaker 3: that you get hibiscus that bloom all the way up

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Speaker 3: the variegation on the foliage that he's he's selected for. Oh,

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Speaker 3: I mean just I mean amazing. And then oh then

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Speaker 3: there's still bees. Yeah, it's just that new one, the

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Speaker 3: new one the dark side of the moon, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, which is appropriate for this week? Right?

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Speaker 2: Appropriate?

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Speaker 2: I mean how appropriate that this is? How did you

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Speaker 1: You know that? Yeah, that's a beauty with the darker

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Speaker 1: foliage and the was it like a pinkish magenta flower? Right?

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's just and what with that dark foliage, and

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Speaker 3: then you know, and then the flower it just.

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Speaker 2: Pumps, you know.

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Speaker 3: I mean you could put it in you know, in shade, shade, shade,

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Speaker 2: Wherever you place it, it's going to be just gorgeous.

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Speaker 1: Going back to some of the hibiscus, uh, I think

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Speaker 1: it mostly his work is in the Summerrific series. Am

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Speaker 1: I righting on that?

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Speaker 3: Well, that's that's yeah, that's I think there's like three

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Speaker 3: different groups, but the Summerrific are the latest ones that

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Speaker 3: his work has you know, brought some of the size

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Speaker 3: Not bad to have a great big monster, but you know,

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Speaker 3: the low a lot of times, you know, if there

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Speaker 3: they don't overwhelm. But there's still these wonderful highlights.

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Speaker 2: In the garden.

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Speaker 1: Only grails got that's that's an older one. Now it's

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Speaker 1: hard to say that it's probably only five or six

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Speaker 1: so fast. Yeah, but that one has the dark foliage

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Speaker 3: I need too, I need too. Just you know, just

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Speaker 3: that that is such a showstopper. You know, you just can't,

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Speaker 3: you know, I mean walking through like walking through a

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Speaker 2: You just I mean you turn.

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Speaker 3: Around because it's just so gorgeous, just and so dynamic.

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Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and take a break, and when we

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Speaker 1: come back, let's talk about Baptisia for a little bit,

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Speaker 1: and we can talk about yeah, mangabis and sonia, so

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Speaker 1: many other great plants. So we'll be back in just

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Speaker 1: a few minutes with Jennifer Brennan. You're listening to Let's

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Speaker 1: in all things horticulture, and we're talking plants. We're talking

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Speaker 3: that I think that was I think he just released

437
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 3: does was that two years ago or just last year?

438
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 2: I think it's been the last two years.

439
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 3: He really listened to the you know, for for sale,

440
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 3: you know out in the out in the trade.

441
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 2: I know he's been working on him for a long time.

442
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh, they're getting out there in the marketplace.

443
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 1: You can usually find at least some sampling of them

444
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,120
Speaker 1: at garden centers and uh, you know, they're just so

445
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,880
Speaker 1: easy to pick up one or two and stick them

446
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: in that you know, it doesn't have to be a

447
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: hot dry spot, but it you know, for those hot

448
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 1: dry spots you've got, they work well. And uh, you know,

449
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: they lived for.

450
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 3: A long time, and especially with this trend that's been happening,

451
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 3: you know, the last you know, four summers or it

452
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 3: has been so hot I mean and then so dry.

453
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 3: And I know you've experienced that same thing. It was

454
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,880
Speaker 3: terrible up here in the Chicago.

455
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: Area had it worse. You were hotter than us for

456
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: much of the last summer.

457
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 2: It was terrible.

458
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 3: Uh, and we should have been getting you know, we

459
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 3: were in like eighty five and ninety average for most

460
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 3: most of the summer. We had the highest number of

461
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 3: days in the nineties that they had ever tracked and

462
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 3: for this area, which was just ridiculous.

463
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 2: And then we weren't getting the rain.

464
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 3: And you know, when it's that hot, we should have

465
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 3: been getting two inches of rain a week and we

466
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 3: weren't even getting an inch. So and then I was

467
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 3: always stunned at you know, whenever I was working, people

468
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 3: were completely oblivious to the fact that we weren't getting

469
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 3: any rain. You know, I just you know, if you

470
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 3: have a garden, you know you should.

471
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: You should spake glue, do you range? You should have rain?

472
00:26:59,680 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 5: Rain?

473
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 1: You should have one? Yeah, forget me, Yeah, survivor you

474
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: spend Wednesday nights for an hour looking at your rain gage.

475
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: Actually you need to look at it every other day

476
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 1: at the minimum.

477
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 3: Seriously, Well, I have I had a rain gage in

478
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 3: a garden right next to my driveway. So if it

479
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 3: rains overnight, I have a little notebook in my car.

480
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm really a geek. I have a little

481
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 3: notebook in my car, and I check my rain gage

482
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 3: and I write it down. And then if I come

483
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 3: home from work, you know, and it's been rained during

484
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 3: the day, I check my rain gage and I write

485
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 3: it down and then if it's if it's not, you know,

486
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 3: if it's not, whatever is required based on the temperature,

487
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 3: either an minimum you know, if it's seventy five or below,

488
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,719
Speaker 3: or if it's higher than that, you need you know,

489
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 3: you need a happens for every ten degrees above seventy five.

490
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 2: And if it's not, you know, then I water. You know,

491
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 2: You've got to do that.

492
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 3: And people, you know, people you know aren't as geeky

493
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 3: as I am, but.

494
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: That's you know, they should be. Everybody should be as geeky.

495
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 2: I'm here, Yeah.

496
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 3: Here, I could be more, you know, I could be mom,

497
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 3: like you check your ring days today?

498
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 1: How does that? How did that Da Coda pinnacle birch

499
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: do for you? In that heat and drought last year?

500
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: You mentioned this as a plate you wanted to talk about.

501
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, if people watered it, it was fine.

502
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 3: But you know, but but that is such a gorgeous

503
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 3: tree with that, I mean that one. When that was

504
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 3: first released, and the first time I saw it in

505
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 3: the nursery, I was walking through the nursery. It stopped

506
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 3: me in my tracks because the foliage is so dark

507
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 3: and so shiny.

508
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 2: And then and then it has that like cream colored

509
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 2: you know, bark and oh man contrast. Oh it's so nice,

510
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 2: it's so nice.

511
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 3: And then you know, and then you know, then it's

512
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 3: it's it's so narrow, you know, it's it's it's it's

513
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 3: such an upright narrow.

514
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: So you know, with go on that corner of the house,

515
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: like people always want to there as.

516
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 3: They can, and I mean, it's just and and but

517
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:02,959
Speaker 3: you know, if you you know, if you you know,

518
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 3: line them up along you know, along the side of

519
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 3: a you know, you know of a border, you know,

520
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 3: a property border.

521
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 2: It's oh it's spectacular too.

522
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 3: And boy that that company, that company, uh J Frank Schmidt,

523
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, they just have the most phenomenal, you

524
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 3: know releases. That The other one I mentioned in my

525
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 3: notes was a pink flare cherry and it's just going

526
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 3: to start it's just going to start blooming because it's

527
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 3: two weeks later than most of the most of the

528
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 3: flowering cherries, so it doesn't it doesn't get caught by

529
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 3: those late season freezes, like like we've been having such

530
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 3: a rollercoaster of weather, you know, this spring, you know,

531
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 3: you know, eighty degrees and then back down to you know,

532
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 3: to twenty seven. So, you know, so it's nice to

533
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 3: have plants that are not thats susceptible to those fluctuating

534
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 3: you know, for Mother Nature's you know, kind of nasty tricks.

535
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: Funny story about that plant. A funny story starts with

536
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: I had cancer in twenty sixteen, and you know that

537
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: all turned out fine, but when when Nancy Buli found out,

538
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: she gave me sent down a pink flare cherry to me,

539
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: and you know, and so I had I put it

540
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: in the zoo nursery and said, every way, please take

541
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: care of this for me while I'm out, you know,

542
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: getting my cancer taken care of. And then when I

543
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: came back to work, they had planted it in the garden.

544
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, they planted it at the zoo,

545
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: you know, so I'm like, god thing though, no, they

546
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: completely forgot about me. Just I was gone and forgotten

547
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: and they used it at the zoo and I came back.

548
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: It's like, you planted my tree, but they planted it

549
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: in a great spot where people can see it, so

550
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: it actually turned out. Well, I didn't have a good

551
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: spot for it anyway.

552
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 2: That isn't great.

553
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, you garden, your garden so crowded, and you're like me,

554
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 3: I'm happy when something dies because then I have space

555
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 3: for something new.

556
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 2: You know, you're like, oh good it died. I think

557
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 2: the other one in I was like, oh my gosh

558
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 2: at the zoo. That's fantastic.

559
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it probably looks incredible right now.

560
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's been in almost ten years.

561
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: Uh wow, yeah, yeah, it is twenty ten years. Yeah. Yeah,

562
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: so yeah, it's grown, it looks it looks really nice.

563
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it bloomed already this spring.

564
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: You know. I haven't been in that part of the

565
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: zoo in a this week, so it's either bloom this

566
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: week or about to. Yeah.

567
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 2: Oh wow, what a cool story. I love that. Don't

568
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 2: you just love it?

569
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 4: You know?

570
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 3: I mean I just love good stories about plants where

571
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 3: you can just tie them and especial you know, especially

572
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 3: that you know your your story with around that it

573
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 3: turned out so well, So that's great.

574
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, plaque on the sky had cancer and they planted

575
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,959
Speaker 1: my plant that I was supposed to get, and that

576
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: that would you give all the context and would be great.

577
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: You mentioned tax taxases aren't a plant that people talk

578
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: about that much anymore.

579
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 3: That's why Greenway. That's another one that just stopped me

580
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 3: in my tracks. And we had gotten I think I

581
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 3: think it was about twenty five of them. So they

582
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 3: were all lined along, you know, our back road where

583
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 3: where the trucks were coming in and out, and I'm walking,

584
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 3: and it stopped me in my trucks because it's got

585
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 3: this wonderful cascading branch structure.

586
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:50,959
Speaker 2: So it looks like a wave. It looks like a

587
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 2: wave of water. Like another part of my fun history.

588
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 3: I grew up and I went to high school in Houston,

589
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 3: and so it was one of those I was just

590
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,239
Speaker 3: for chick down in Galveston. Down in Galveston, we'd all

591
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 3: go down to Galveston, and you know, and and and

592
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 3: and so so it looks like a wave. You know,

593
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 3: when you're paddling out to catch a wave. It looks

594
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 3: like just the perfect wave. And so not not a lot,

595
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 3: no pruning is necessary, which is unheard of on on

596
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 3: on Japanese used. You know, you just you have a

597
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 3: Japanese union, You're gonna prune it all the time, and

598
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 3: this you don't have to. And it can go each

599
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 3: plant can go like five feet wide, you know, five

600
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 3: or six feet wide, and only only go four, you know,

601
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 3: maybe four to four and a half feet tall.

602
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 2: And then with that wonderful arching and.

603
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 3: So it makes a beautiful foundation plant, you know, up

604
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 3: in front of you, in front of you know, you know,

605
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 3: a house, and with with no pruning, no.

606
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: Pruning, right with any taxes.

607
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 2: I assume, well, you know, doug on it.

608
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's when that's when you get plant skied.

609
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 2: I love plant skied. That wonderful deer.

610
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 3: It works, you know, and I don't I don't say

611
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 3: it right, and they always they always correct me. It's

612
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 3: like whenever I say to me, zoo. You know, I

613
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 3: have a friend that's Italian and she always says no, no, no, Zoo.

614
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, she goes, no, you didn't stay it right.

615
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 3: It's like plant skied, planting p l A N T

616
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 3: S K y D D, you know, and and so

617
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 3: you know, plant skied but most of them just say

618
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 3: plant scared, you know. But but but it works, it works,

619
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 3: and with that you know, dual, you know, dual you know,

620
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 3: you know, blood source you know, and and sterilized it.

621
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 3: It works fabulously, especially against deer. You know, you just

622
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 3: have to use it. Yeah, it doesn't work in the bottle.

623
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: Repeated, that's right, does.

624
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 2: Work in the bottle on the plants.

625
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: Nice, Yeah, Jennifer has been great talking with you. Let's uh,

626
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: let's do it again sometimes talk plants, uh, sometime down

627
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: the road. And I think.

628
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 3: Honored absolutely up in Michigan.

629
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 2: I guess.

630
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,240
Speaker 3: So that's that's that's drivable for both of us easily.

631
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and worth it, well worth it. So yeah, let's

632
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: plan it on that.

633
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,720
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. You're welcome for including me. Thanks

634
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 2: for being here in your show. It's been a blast,

635
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 2: it's been a mess. It's always great to talk with you.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back. You're listening to Let's Garden with Scott Berlin

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Speaker 1: I'm here with Brian Jeorg, my good friend, my worst

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Speaker 1: enemy from the Cincinnati Botanical Garden and Zoo. Well, that

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Speaker 1: was a fun conversation about a lot of cool plants.

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Speaker 1: A lot of them are you're you're growing because they're

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Speaker 1: with part of our native plant program because they are

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Speaker 1: native plants.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we would grow a lot of the straight species.

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Speaker 7: So you know, we talked a lot about Baptisia, which

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Speaker 7: is just a stalwart in the sunny garden.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: The thing is that it gets in and it's it's

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Speaker 7: fairly drought resistant, which means that you put it in

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Speaker 7: where you like it and you don't move it or

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Speaker 7: change your mind.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever tried to move one?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it rested it quite a bit.

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Speaker 1: And it's a root system like a tree. Yes, it's

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Speaker 1: a very heavy wood you root system.

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Speaker 7: Yes, but for pollinators. For color and like we're saying,

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Speaker 7: you know, blue is such a rare color. True blue

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Speaker 7: is such a rare color. And uh in the horticultural

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Speaker 7: world is when when that plant blooms in the spring,

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Speaker 7: that is beautiful blue. It just really stands out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and a good one will stand up or if

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Speaker 1: you put it in drier yeah, less rich soil, it

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Speaker 1: will stand up and and create a really nice form

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Speaker 1: through the whole gardening year.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and even latresses like that. When you find that

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Speaker 7: plant in the wild, it typically grows in poorer soils,

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Speaker 7: so sometimes when you put it in a richer garden soil,

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Speaker 7: it tends to overgrow. And then sometimes it particularly particularly

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Speaker 7: if you use if it gets fertilized. I had a

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Speaker 7: neighbor one time and they broadcast their turf fertilizer and

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Speaker 7: it went through the fence and hit my mylatress and

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Speaker 7: the next thing you know, the plant did not know

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Speaker 7: how to respond.

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Speaker 6: It just exploded.

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Speaker 7: And uh but yeah, run run that lean and they'll

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Speaker 7: they won't fall over as often.

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Speaker 1: And you know, these new hibiscuits that are out in

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Speaker 1: the marketplace are so good, But so are the straight species. Yes,

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Speaker 1: if you have room for like a taller plant, usually

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Speaker 1: in a thinner plant.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, don't don't think of it as a perennial, but

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Speaker 7: more of a of a shrub. And I think some

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Speaker 7: of these cultivars are bringing attention to that genus. So

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Speaker 7: when you look at the straight species and we grow

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Speaker 7: them in our wetland, and it's we have them opped

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Speaker 7: by the tens of thousands, and when you go out

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Speaker 7: there in June and July when every one of those

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Speaker 7: is in bloom, and you will have a fair amount

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Speaker 7: of natural occurring variants through the species. So typically the

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Speaker 7: crimson eyed mallow is white with the red throat, but

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Speaker 7: we have pinks, we have scarlets, we have all these

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Speaker 7: picketies in between, just naturally occurring genetics.

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Speaker 1: So this is Hibiscus moms shooting shootos, which is the

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Speaker 1: common it's probably see in damp You'll.

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Speaker 7: See it grown in ditches along the highway in places.

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Speaker 7: And it's such a cool plant. And the flower has

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Speaker 7: that tropical feel to it because it's just it's a

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Speaker 7: massive amount of color. But it's also home or dependent.

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Speaker 7: The hibiscus bee is actually dependent on that plant. It

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Speaker 7: actually hides down inside the male hides down inside the flower.

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Speaker 7: Two ambush of female when she comes around pollinating minor

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Speaker 7: her own business. But a great plant, and typically in

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Speaker 7: a while you find it in ditches and wetter areas,

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Speaker 7: but it will grow in good garden soil.

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Speaker 1: Some of the other species I know there's we got

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Speaker 1: because of Jack A. Schaeffer. Yeah, made sure we got

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Speaker 1: some Hibiscus grandifolius, which is an absolutely stunning plant. It

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Speaker 1: is nobody knows.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a southern plant, kind of a limited range,

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Speaker 7: and I think it's kind of new to the gardening world.

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Speaker 7: And anytime we can produce a plant, yeah.

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Speaker 6: That does well for the garden. It's always good to

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Speaker 6: find those gems.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty shrubby, it's tall, it has hairy foliage, so

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Speaker 1: it has a sort of a gray of a glowing

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Speaker 1: look to it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it gives it a totally different character to the plant,

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Speaker 7: which is really.

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Speaker 1: The flowers aren't as big and boldly colored maybe as

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Speaker 1: some of the hybrids or the selections, but certainly very beautiful.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's definitely worth taking a look at.

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Speaker 1: What do you know about Coccinius. That's what I've dabbled with.

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Speaker 1: It's a bright red flower.

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Speaker 7: We've we've grown it, but we've also found that with

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Speaker 7: thermachudos we've actually produced a scarlet as well. So we've

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Speaker 7: we've kind of gravitated towards towards those and just propagating them,

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Speaker 7: whether it's by cuttings, but we have naturally generated out

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Speaker 7: in the wetlands some really nice sense. We just go

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Speaker 7: out and take a take a flag plugging tape market

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Speaker 7: and collect the s and see what they end up

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Speaker 7: doing because there is a natural varias a lot of

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Speaker 7: fun that it is because you never know what you're

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Speaker 7: going to get.

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Speaker 6: So yeah.

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Speaker 1: Other natives we talked about with Jennifer were the rebecca, which.

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Speaker 7: Massive family, massive family, and then it's divided into species

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Speaker 7: and sub an on and on and variety, Demii and

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Speaker 7: Sullivanti eye and.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Folgia.

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Speaker 7: It's it gets it gets confusing at times, and I

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Speaker 7: think there may be some confusion, but what a.

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Speaker 1: Good I mean, they're all pretty good plants. Some are

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Speaker 1: pretty aggressive, but yeah, black these are black eyed Susans.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and you know they'll certainly see I think goldstrum

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Speaker 7: certainly was one of those that's that started the attention

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Speaker 7: to that that group of family, the black eyed Susans.

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Speaker 6: But some will have a little more of an orangey

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Speaker 6: look to it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, And it's just finding what works for you.

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Speaker 1: And I I love the Rebeccia and maximum the great

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Speaker 1: cone flower.

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Speaker 7: That's such a beauty architecturally with that silvery foliage and

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Speaker 7: it's it's just a it's more of a specimen plant

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Speaker 7: than a typical perennial drift.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it is, it strikes, it's.

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Speaker 1: A fantastic plant. Hey, you know what's going to happen next,

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Speaker 1: We're going to have more conversation about native plants with

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Speaker 1: Mike Berkeley from Grow Wild Nurseries down in Tennessee. He'll

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Speaker 1: be joining us. Mike is such an expert on these

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Speaker 1: things and you won't want to miss it, So come

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Speaker 1: back and check that out. You're listening to Let's Guarden

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Speaker 1: with Scott Berline on fifty five KRC