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Speaker 2: the first hour, we have four really interesting guests and

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Speaker 2: and we're gonna have another great show tonight. We will

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Speaker 2: talk during the nine o'clock hour with the Massachusetts State Auditor,

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Speaker 2: Diana Desauglio. She continues your fight to audit the state legislature.

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Speaker 2: That's kind of a revolutionary idea. How about that the

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Speaker 2: auditor is probably one of the toughest politicians on Beacon Hill,

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Speaker 2: he gave her authority to audit the state legislature. Everyone

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Speaker 2: at least anyone in position of authority, including the Senate President,

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Speaker 2: the Speaker of the House, and the Attorney General who

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Speaker 2: to all of that during the nine o'clock hour, and

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Speaker 2: then we do have some good news on gas prices.

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Speaker 2: They are not only down in Massachusetts and also nationwide,

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Speaker 2: in the program, I want to introduce a very interesting

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Speaker 2: book to you which I've just heard about. It's entitled

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Speaker 2: Running Deep, Bravery Survival and the True Story of the

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Speaker 2: Deadliest Submarine of World War Two. Thank goodness that the

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Speaker 2: deadliest submarine of World War Two was an American submarine,

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Speaker 2: the USS Tang Tanng. Tom Clavin, New York Times best

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Speaker 2: selling author, Tom, Welcome to I'm hoping I'm assuming it's clad.

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Speaker 2: And if it's Claven, tell me please go right ahead.

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Speaker 3: It is Claven bell answer to anything.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's okay, We'll take Claven. No problem. That is

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Speaker 2: no problem at all. This I have not read the book,

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Speaker 2: but I had never heard of the USS Tang. We

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Speaker 2: had all heard of the Sullivan brothers, five of them

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Speaker 2: who died during World War Two. But this submarine has

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Speaker 2: an incredible record of success. Tell us about it and

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Speaker 2: then irony of it sinking and oaking, a few crew

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Speaker 2: members sinking itself and only a few crew members survived

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Speaker 2: who suffered torture in Japanese pow camps. Tell us about

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Speaker 2: the Tang and what it accomplished at a time when

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Speaker 2: the US Navy was really hurting after Pearl Harbor.

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Speaker 3: Exactly after Pearl Harvests devastation, there was really much of

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Speaker 3: a surface navy left for the US Navy. I mean,

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Speaker 3: destroyers have been killed off, the battleship had been sunk,

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Speaker 3: that was basically untouched. And one of the submarines that

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Speaker 3: eventually emerged from that was the USS Tang. And it's

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Speaker 3: captain rich o'caine, who was a New Hampshire native, so

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Speaker 3: he isected to the New England area. And the Tang

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Speaker 3: was by most successful I mean that it was able

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Speaker 3: Think thirty three Japanese ships rescue pilots downed aircraft. Also,

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Speaker 3: just the idea that the tang might be lurking around,

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Speaker 3: said Japanese escorts and convoys, you know, rushing for the

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Speaker 3: was really the Audio Murphy of the US Navy. Some

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Speaker 3: people of a certain age will say Audie Murphy, right,

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Speaker 3: he was the most decorated Army soldier in World War Two.

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Speaker 3: I hope my book will will shed a light on that.

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Speaker 2: So let me the word tang tng. I can remember

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Speaker 2: there was an orange drink, is what the astronauts drank

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Speaker 2: back when you and I were younger. How normally ships

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Speaker 2: are named after personnel, what was the tang named after?

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Speaker 3: In World War Two? Submarines as opposed to the rest

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Speaker 3: tang is a tropical fish about nine inches long. So

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Speaker 3: you have so, for example, one of the submarines. That's

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Speaker 2: So the Tang took out thirty three Japanese surface vessels,

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Speaker 2: did the torpedo leave the vessel? Didn't explode?

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Speaker 3: It? It did?

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Speaker 3: What happened was that, you know, one of the parts

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Speaker 3: of the book that I think is the most poignant

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Speaker 3: is that the torpedoes of World War Two, for the

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Speaker 3: They were badly manufactured. They were always problems with them,

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Speaker 3: too soon before they got to their target. In the

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Speaker 3: case of the Tang, it had fired all of its

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Speaker 3: torpedoes and it had taken an entire Japanese convoy and sank.

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Speaker 3: Most of the ships in the convoy had one more

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Speaker 3: torpedo left, honed it on a wounded ship that they

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Speaker 3: thought could sink, fired its torpedo, and torpedo went to

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Speaker 3: certain distances and boomerang. It swung around and came back

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Speaker 3: and hit the Tang. Now, some of the captains, the

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Speaker 3: on the surface when the torpedo struck, they were thrown

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Speaker 3: a big part of the story of the Tang and

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Speaker 3: of Running Deep is how these guys managed to escape,

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Speaker 3: not only escape the submarine, but actually make it to

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Speaker 2: So let me ask you, why would a torpedo were

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Speaker 2: torpedoes known to boomerang? I mean, I can see a

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Speaker 2: torpedo might lose direction, but to come back one hundred

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Speaker 2: fired is that? Yes, obviously not normal is it unprecedented,

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Speaker 2: Not at all.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, in World War Two late nineteen forty three, many

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Speaker 3: of the torpedoes were defective. They were just not the

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Speaker 3: have is it double whammy? Because not only did the

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Speaker 3: it just bounced the hull, but also by firing that torpedo,

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Speaker 3: you gave away your position. Sure you could look down

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Speaker 3: that the wake of the torpedo coming close to you

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Speaker 3: it came from. And most Japanese convoys were escorted by

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Speaker 3: destroyers who could sail faster than submarines. So submarines not

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Speaker 3: only did not accomplish the mission, but they were in

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Speaker 3: great danger after they tried to get.

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Speaker 2: Away depth chargers. So several of the men were picked

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Speaker 2: up by the Japanese. They were taken to pow camps,

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Speaker 2: and I assumed that they were identified as sailors from

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Speaker 2: this horrific submarine that had cost so many Japanese lives,

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Speaker 2: and they must have paid for it while in captivity.

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Speaker 3: That's a very good point because it's true they were

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Speaker 3: picked up when those survivors were picked up by the Japanese,

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Speaker 3: who were pretty angry because initially because they picked up

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Speaker 3: they found out that Captain o'caine was the captain of

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Speaker 3: the deadliest submarine than the US Navy, and he was

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Speaker 3: subjected to especially bad torture and beatings. It's it's yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm giving aways part of the story, but it's a

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Speaker 3: miracle that he survived. He me all the punishment they

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Speaker 2: Did any of these men, By the way, how many

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Speaker 2: was in the crew of the submarine at that time?

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Speaker 2: One hundred.

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Speaker 3: There was about eighty men on the on the submarine

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Speaker 3: tank when it was when it was sunk, and nine survived.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So if the nine who survived, how many of

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Speaker 3: Well, the captain had ocaine made it back, including the

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Speaker 3: other eight men sdund and they kept each other alive

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Speaker 3: because they had been such a horrific experience. And it's

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Speaker 3: almost amusing. One guy came back and he landed at

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Speaker 3: she introduced him to her husband. These guys had all

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Speaker 3: been because declared dead. Did she remarried? That happened to

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Speaker 3: not last ocaine. Thankfully in his case. He went back

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Speaker 3: to New Hampshire, reconnected with his parents, reconnected with his

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Speaker 2: Who was the last survivor of the crew? What hear?

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Speaker 2: Did they pass? If you know?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's all the nickname both both light Bold lived

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Speaker 3: in ninety nine. He died during the pandemic.

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Speaker 2: Wow, what a story. Well, if the book's available, when

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Speaker 2: was the book published?

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Speaker 3: How long's it been out today?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 3: Perfect timing off the pressures, A great timing, time of.

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Speaker 2: Perfect timing, perfect timing. Look, if you have anyone in

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Speaker 2: this is really a book you should get. It is

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Speaker 2: a great story. I'm going to get a copy, that's

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Speaker 2: for sure, and I hope many of my audi and

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Speaker 2: stew as well. It's coming up Christmas time, Honikah, you

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Speaker 2: know Thanksgiving. What what a what a great gift. Uh,

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Speaker 2: it would be for anyone who either loves military history

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Speaker 2: because this is a story they should know about. Tom Claven,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for this. I I saw the

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Speaker 2: I want this guy on the show. And you did

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Speaker 2: not disappoint. It's a great story.

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Speaker 3: Thanks you very much. And I hope you feel better.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 2: I feel lousy for two weeks, but you know they

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Speaker 2: you get these these coughs and colds and they just

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Speaker 2: hang on you.

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Speaker 3: I know I know from experience myself.

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Speaker 2: Yes, feel better, all right, Tom, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it so much. Good night. When we talk

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Speaker 2: next with Marjorie Margie Margie, I should say Margie Margie,

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Speaker 2: simple Margie, not Marjorie Margie Cullen, USA, Today New England

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Speaker 2: about Massachusetts specialty license plates. All of you, now, what

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Speaker 2: Want to welcome Margie Cullen. She's a USA Today New

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Speaker 5: Oh, well, it does a little bit of everything. We're

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So you have looked at an issue,

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Speaker 2: a controversy, a question we have in Massachusetts specialty license plates.

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Speaker 2: People can pay a little extra and support a cause

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, we looked into what would be what license

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Speaker 2: Well, I noticed there's a story coming out tomorrow at

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Speaker 2: much of a lead? I think that I've heard that

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Speaker 2: there was from my producer today that there was some

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Speaker 5: It was a clear win. But when I looked into

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Speaker 5: But when I looked into it. Recently, a new plate

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Speaker 2: Wow, so we have we have a new entry the

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Speaker 2: capes about I think I read in your article thirty

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Speaker 2: This new plate is making a run at it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And also the two fifty doesn't come around very often.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's been you know, let me come around

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Speaker 2: just was wondering if you delved into this story. My

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Speaker 2: interested in, you know, Uncle Harry's beer fund or something

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Speaker 5: That doesn't work right, Yeah, you know, I don't know

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Speaker 5: I don't think it can just be anything right now.

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Speaker 5: charitable organization plates. So like these specialty plates where like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, my understanding is that you have to get

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Speaker 2: And I don't know if you have to raise a

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Speaker 2: And then we still have the vanity plates in Massachusetts.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you're aware of that that individuals can have.

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Speaker 2: They can quest as long as it's not obscene, a

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Speaker 2: have some limitations on that. I'm sure you're familiar with those, right,

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Speaker 2: so called community plates.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yes, I didn't look into that for this story,

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Speaker 5: but yes, I think that's a that's the thing you

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Speaker 2: Okay, So let me talk to you about your career.

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Speaker 2: You been with USA Today here in New England for

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Speaker 2: a while.

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Speaker 5: You a New Englander, Yeah, I'm from I'm from Massachusetts.

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Speaker 5: I've been with USA Day, New England stuff for like

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Speaker 2: And before that, will you this, I'm sure it is

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Speaker 2: not your first, uh position with a newspaper the size

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Speaker 2: of the USA Today. Did you work locally here before

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Speaker 2: you hooked on with the USA Today?

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Speaker 5: You know, before before that? I actually got my masters

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Speaker 5: the Green California. But a while ago I did some

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Speaker 5: freelance reporting for the Needham Time.

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Speaker 2: Oh sure, okay, And so people are going to want

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Speaker 2: to look forward to reading you. Are you in the

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Speaker 2: USA Today any specific day during the week, or do

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Speaker 2: you there? Are you there periodically when the story merits publication.

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Speaker 5: I'm I'm always publishing stories on the USA Day's local

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Speaker 5: New England sites, so like wick at Local Providence Journal,

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Speaker 5: basically all the New England Gannett owned sites. So there's yeah,

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Speaker 5: there's tons of them in the New England area, and

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Speaker 5: my stories are in them almost every day.

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Speaker 2: So Gannett. Now, I'm a TV and radio guy. I

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Speaker 2: has Gannett owned USA Today for some time? I didn't.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, I think so before I got here, so

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure, but I think it is.

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Speaker 2: Okay. Well, I'll tell you this. I tend to read

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Speaker 2: USA Today when I'm traveling, and it's great. You can

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Speaker 2: always keep in touch with your hometown by reading USA Today.

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Speaker 2: It gives you. It gives you the great national news

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Speaker 2: I always love the column of the Fifty States, so

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Speaker 2: you can check out what happened in Massachusetts yesterday in

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Speaker 2: USA today or wherever you live, wherever you live in

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Speaker 2: New England, well, we'll be following you here and we'll

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Speaker 2: figure out we'll watch this race now between the new

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Speaker 2: this will be something to keep our eye on. Margie Cullin,

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Speaker 2: thank you very much for your time tonight. Appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 2: My next guest is Michael Blunt. He's the Employment program

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Speaker 2: Michael Blunt, Welcome to Nightside. How are you, sir?

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Speaker 6: I'm going well, thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: How long you've been with Northeast ARK.

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Speaker 6: I have been with the Northeast ARC. It was nine

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Speaker 2: The congratulations congratulations in the anniversary. So how this has

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Speaker 6: Right, and you're completely right, is one hundred percent fulfilling.

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Speaker 6: You know, I can't imagine doing anything else. So usually

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Speaker 6: working with them and not you know, not necessarily forcing

436
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Speaker 6: something on them, but really truly giving them a career

437
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 6: that they want, we we really get to see how

438
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Speaker 6: how well their lives change, and we see things and

439
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Speaker 6: skills and see things and hear things that they were

440
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Speaker 6: told that they weren't able to do in the past

441
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Speaker 6: and now they are doing with such gusto. It's it's

442
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Speaker 6: hard not to be to be fulfilled while watching that.

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Speaker 2: Now, I'm assuming that one of the challenges that you

444
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Speaker 2: would have after you develop someone and find out what

445
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Speaker 2: they're interested in and and and what would uh you know,

446
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 2: challenge them and at the same time allow them to

447
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 2: uh do their do their work is to find a

448
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 2: way in which they can get to their job because

449
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,159
Speaker 2: most people take that for granted you jump on the

450
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Speaker 2: tee or you drive your car or in some cases

451
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Speaker 2: you're able to walk to work. How much of a

452
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Speaker 2: complicating factor is that for for the Northeast ark is

453
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Speaker 2: they run this program? Uh? And how is that a

454
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 2: situation that you can help with if if a company

455
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Speaker 2: is not let us say, very close to where the

456
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Speaker 2: person might have happens to live. How much of a

457
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Speaker 2: factor is that?

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Speaker 6: It's a huge factor. A lot of times the people

459
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Speaker 6: that we find jobs that really it depends on how

460
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Speaker 6: comfortable they are with traveling and if they have transport.

461
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Speaker 6: So some people are you know, they're they have their

462
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Speaker 6: parents and some individuals we support, you know, drive themselves.

463
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Speaker 6: But a lot of the time we try to encourage

464
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Speaker 6: them to sign up for the rides or the rides

465
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Speaker 6: an mt mpt A program and that allows them to

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Speaker 6: go to places that they may not have rent reached

467
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Speaker 6: if they didn't have a car. But something else because

468
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Speaker 6: the ride is not is not always an option for people.

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Speaker 6: So we do provide like m bt A travel training,

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Speaker 6: so like taking the t taking the bus, and that's

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Speaker 6: something that we do provide for those those who that's

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Speaker 6: the better option.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And by the way, I'm not here to criticize anything,

474
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Speaker 2: but I can tell you that I've had a lot

475
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Speaker 2: of complaints from listeners of mine, including one today about

476
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Speaker 2: the inadequacy of the ride. A friend of mine who

477
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Speaker 2: needed to use the ride today for a doctor's appointment

478
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Speaker 2: just a few blocks from where she lived. She was

479
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Speaker 2: told that she would be picked up for a six thirty.

480
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Speaker 2: The clinic opened at six point thirty at five oh

481
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Speaker 2: three in the morning. It was like it was literally

482
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Speaker 2: a two minute ride. But there's not a huge amount

483
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Speaker 2: of flexibility. I have another friend of mine who is

484
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Speaker 2: non sighted blind up in Lynn and he has had

485
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Speaker 2: a lot of problems. So again, I think it's something

486
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Speaker 2: that we should be aware of that a lot of

487
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Speaker 2: the folks who you're helping place and find work which

488
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 2: gives people a lot of purpose and a lot of

489
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 2: hope and a lot of drive, and our and our

490
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 2: tremendous success stories, the the just the logistics can can

491
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 2: work against that give us a couple of success stories

492
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Speaker 2: that that you'd like to be brag about. Here of

493
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Speaker 2: of folks who have taken advantage of the program and

494
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Speaker 2: are now gainfully employed I'm sure you've got a couple

495
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Speaker 2: that would come to mind.

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Speaker 3: I do, I do.

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Speaker 6: So one person that comes to mind. His name is Greg.

498
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Speaker 6: He works for the law offices on On. There's a

499
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Speaker 6: forgive me, I forget the I'm thinking on the name

500
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Speaker 6: of the office now, but Washington Sheet in Salem. And

501
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Speaker 6: then we have another lovely individual name is Cheyenne and

502
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Speaker 6: she actually is a secretary at d d S and

503
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Speaker 6: she went through my breaking Grounds internship program a few

504
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 6: few years ago and now she is a secretary and

505
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Speaker 6: she's loving her job.

506
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Speaker 2: So I'll ask you, not everybody knows what the d

507
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Speaker 2: DF is?

508
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Speaker 6: What is your department services? Yes?

509
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Speaker 2: Yes, there is so many of those acronyms that a

510
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 2: lot of folks in government get used to or people

511
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 2: who deal with folks in government, and we never take

512
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 2: take for granted that everybody in the audience can can

513
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 2: get can align those those those capital letters with the

514
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 2: name of the actual organization. Okay, so yeah, no, that's

515
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Speaker 2: I don't mean to put you on the spot there,

516
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 2: but I had to. I had to ask that question.

517
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Speaker 2: How can people who would like to help Northeast ARC

518
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 2: in this project, this continuing project, how can folks help

519
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 2: you are they do you need people who are volunteers

520
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 2: to help people give rides to her from work? Is

521
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 2: that part of the program? Tell us what? Uh? You

522
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 2: know what PEP my listeners can do. You're you're located,

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Speaker 2: I know, Northeast Dark. What are you in Malded? Correctly

524
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Speaker 2: tell me where you located?

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Speaker 6: Our main offices are in Danvers, so we have we

526
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Speaker 6: have some on seuth Side Road and Devers and then

527
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Speaker 6: are our main offices are at Delivery tre Mall and.

528
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Speaker 2: Danks all right, so that's a good location. How can

529
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Speaker 2: people want help? Obviously you always can use financial support,

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Speaker 2: give us a website of.

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Speaker 6: Course, So it's just the Northeast Dark that work and

532
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 6: any any or and volunteering is a great way to help.

533
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Speaker 6: But also just like you know, if anyone out there

534
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Speaker 6: who has a small business and they want to do

535
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Speaker 6: something for their community, you know, this is a great

536
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Speaker 6: way to give back. And and even if you work

537
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Speaker 6: at a at a at a CVS or dunk and

538
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 6: don't you know anything. You know word of mouth, you know,

539
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 6: spreading it, you know, spreading the mission and what we're

540
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Speaker 6: trying to do. And it's not about it's not about

541
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 6: you know, pitying people that we serve, but you know,

542
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 6: celebrating them and giving them a leg up.

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Speaker 2: So the website again is Northeast ARC. Is that it? Yeah? Okay,

544
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Speaker 2: and that's spell out the word Northeast, which we know

545
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Speaker 2: how to spell an rc A R C R ARC

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Speaker 2: dot org. All right, great, perfect, Thank you so much, Michael.

547
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Speaker 2: Nice to talk with you. We will talk again, I'm sure,

548
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 2: thank you so much.

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Speaker 6: Okay, thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: I have a good night.

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Speaker 2: You're welcome. We get back. We'll talk with an assistant

552
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 2: teaching professor. Not exactly sure what an assistant teaching professor is.

553
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 2: We'll get an explainer on that. Andrew. I believe it's

554
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 2: pronounced Hale or Haley. We'll figure that one out. Rob

555
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 2: will get that for me.

556
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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: He's going to argue that kids in Massachusetts, if the

558
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Speaker 2: law would allow it, need more independence. I'm not sure

559
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Speaker 2: I necessarily agree. I'd love to know what the definition

560
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Speaker 2: of kids is. Uh, And we will find out when

561
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Speaker 2: we talk with Andrew Hale or Haley. Coming back on

562
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Speaker 2: night Side.

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Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's News Radio with.

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Speaker 2: Me is professor Andrew Hale. He's an assistant teaching professor

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Speaker 2: at Northeastern University School of Law. I'm unfamiliar with the

566
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Speaker 2: term assistant teaching professor professor hale. I hope the appellation

567
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Speaker 2: professor was appropriate.

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Speaker 4: That works out fine, Dan, thank you and thanks for

569
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Speaker 4: having me on no problem.

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Speaker 2: When I went to law school back in the day,

571
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Speaker 2: there were that that phrase of assistant teaching professor. It

572
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 2: sounds almost inconsistent, but anyway, no problem. What do you

573
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 2: teach it at Northeastern? You deal with you know, family law,

574
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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 4: I teach it in our basic first year course called

576
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,719
Speaker 4: Legal Skills and Social Context, so it's sort of legal writing.

577
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 4: Plus we do community projects for organizations in Boston.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's good stuff because in law school back

579
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 2: in the day when I went, it was like you

580
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 2: hit the books for three years and they gave you

581
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 2: a degree and you were on your own. So's you're

582
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Speaker 2: concerned with the idea of kids needing more independence if

583
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Speaker 2: only Massachusetts law would allow it, and you address how

584
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Speaker 2: parents can allow kids independence without fear of child negleck laws.

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Speaker 2: I know that there was this concept a few years

586
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Speaker 2: ago of was it called free range children? In some states,

587
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 2: some parents were getting into trouble because nine year olds

588
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 2: or eight year olds were out playing in playgrounds by

589
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 2: themselves without supervision. What are we talking about here? I

590
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 2: want you to explain it so I don't have a

591
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 2: you know, a misconception.

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Speaker 4: Sure, Dan, to answer your previous question, I sort of

593
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 4: come at this not from a primarily professional interest, but

594
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Speaker 4: because I'm a dad. I have a nine year old

595
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Speaker 4: and seven year old, two girls. We live in Dorchester.

596
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Speaker 4: There has been a movement, I'm sort of loosely called

597
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Speaker 4: free range parenting, which you might have heard.

598
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,719
Speaker 2: Oh I've done shows on that, believe me, Yes, go

599
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 2: right ahead for sure.

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Speaker 4: Well, and what's interesting is, at least in my view,

601
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Speaker 4: I think the societal norms have shifted so much so

602
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 4: that what is today sort of free range parenting was

603
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Speaker 4: back in the day. I'm forty, I don't know how

604
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 4: old you are, Dan, but back in the day, it

605
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,959
Speaker 4: was just parenting. And so I think the societal norms

606
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 4: have really shifted a sort of clamp down on parents

607
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Speaker 4: who may want to kind of give their children a

608
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Speaker 4: little bit more childhood independence. And that's certainly kind of

609
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 4: where I got into this issue.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, and I think that's exactly what is And

611
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Speaker 2: I think the phrase free range of parenting or whatever

612
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 2: was an unfortunate you know, they sort of used the

613
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Speaker 2: term from free range chickens and free range poultry. And yeah,

614
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Speaker 2: I mean, look, I can remember as a kid back

615
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 2: in the day, and believe me, I'm a baby boomer,

616
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 2: so I'm well past forty, Okay, trust me on that.

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Speaker 2: And we would spend a lot of time up the

618
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 2: field playing baseball and you know, football during the summertime, baseball,

619
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Speaker 2: and then during the winter time we'd go down to

620
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Speaker 2: the swamp. You know, we would have ice and play

621
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Speaker 2: hockey and parent We wouldn't see our parents for a

622
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Speaker 2: lot of the day. And I assume that today that

623
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Speaker 2: probably would be frowned upon in some quarters.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're absolutely right.

625
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Speaker 4: And I wrote a piece for the Boston Globe recently

626
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Speaker 4: where I talked about my experience. I live in Dorchester, right,

627
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Speaker 4: I live in the city, so we live in a

628
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 4: fairly densely packed neighborhood. And like I said, my girls,

629
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Speaker 4: who are nine and seven, were at the phase. They're

630
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Speaker 4: pretty mature kids for their age, and I think we're

631
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Speaker 4: in a time of life where we're trying to give

632
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Speaker 4: them a little more leeway. You know, you can bike

633
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 4: around neighborhood. Maybe you could go down to the corner

634
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 4: store and pick up a gallon of milk, you know,

635
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 4: while I'm cooking, Or maybe you can play outside with

636
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 4: a friend. And what I found is that I've been

637
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 4: scolded more than once by my neighbors for, uh, oh,

638
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 4: don't you know, don't.

639
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Speaker 3: You let that girl walk ahead of you on the street.

640
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 4: You don't want to get hit by a car.

641
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Speaker 3: You don't want them to get abducted or.

642
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 4: Something like that. And so, and what I realized is

643
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 4: there's kind of really the societal norms have shifted so

644
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 4: much that it makes it really tricky for parents who

645
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 4: are trying to give their kids the independence that increasingly

646
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 4: social psychologists and others are saying that kids need. So

647
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 4: that's been a challenge.

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Speaker 2: When I was a kid, I can remember my father

649
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 2: would give me a quarter and send me up to

650
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Speaker 2: the Missus McElroy's variety store to buy him a pack

651
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 2: of Camel's nonfiltered. It'd be like nine years old walking

652
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,439
Speaker 2: back smelling a pack of Camel's nonfiltered. I never took

653
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 2: up the habit. He dropped it when the Surgeon General's

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Speaker 2: report came out in nineteen sixty four, thank god. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean I think there's a balance, and I think

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Speaker 2: that sometimes we need to recognize that different families raise

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Speaker 2: their children somewhat differently and that they're is not all

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Speaker 2: going to be by the norm. So I have kind

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Speaker 2: of had gone from being very skeptical of free range

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Speaker 2: parenting to thinking about it a little bit more and

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Speaker 2: probably coming over towards towards your point of view. Is

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Speaker 2: that where society is going or a society moving against

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Speaker 2: what you do?

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Speaker 3: Well, Dan, it's interesting.

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Speaker 4: I think it feels to me. And again I may

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Speaker 4: be getting only a certain perspective because I'm in these

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Speaker 4: conversations all the time with my peer parents right who

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Speaker 4: are raising kids right now, trying to figure out how

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Speaker 4: to do this. But it feels to me like we're

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Speaker 4: in a little bit of an inflection point. And you

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Speaker 4: may be familiar. There's a social psychologist whose name is

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Speaker 4: Jonathan hat who wrote a very influential book called The

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Speaker 4: Anxious Generation, and basically his the argument is that with

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Speaker 4: the rise of smartphones and the changing in parental norms,

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Speaker 4: that kids have really moved in a generation from a

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Speaker 4: play based childhood, like all of us had like you

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Speaker 4: were just describing about playing hockey and being outdoors and

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Speaker 4: hanging out with your friends until the street lights come

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Speaker 4: on to nowadays parents who are much more sort of

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Speaker 4: tight and controlling of their kids. What are kids doing

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Speaker 4: if they're not outside playing hockey, they're looking at screens

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Speaker 4: And that really has led to a lot of problems,

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Speaker 4: such as a big rise in mental illness, particularly with

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Speaker 4: teenage girls. So that's something that we're really concerned about

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Speaker 4: and we want to push back on that. And I

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Speaker 4: do think we're starting to have these conversations society where

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Speaker 4: maybe we're seeing things shift back.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you, I think it's an interesting conversation,

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Speaker 2: and maybe we can have you on the show, and

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Speaker 2: maybe we could do an hour and we do hours

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Speaker 2: from at nine, ten and eleven the balance of my

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Speaker 2: program where we incorporate listeners who call in, and maybe

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Speaker 2: we'll get some get some real life parents finding out

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Speaker 2: maybe if their attitudes have changed a little bit over time.

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Speaker 2: Because when free range parenting first became I think in

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Speaker 2: the public eye, it was looked upon really skeptically, and

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Speaker 2: it didn't matter whether you were living in a community

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Speaker 2: where maybe crime was really relevant or living in one,

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Speaker 2: you know, in a in a different part of the

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Speaker 2: country or whatever where that wasn't a factor, So I

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Speaker 2: might have my producer get back to him. We'll do

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Speaker 2: an hour some night, and we'll incorporate listeners who will

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Speaker 2: call in and ask questions. We'll make comments fair enough.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that'd be great and I'd be happy to do it.

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Speaker 2: Professor Hale, very nice to meet you. You teach you

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Speaker 2: a great law school. I went to law school. I'm

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Speaker 2: a terrier and you're a husky. So there's room for

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Speaker 2: good law schools and post rival. Thank you, at least

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Speaker 2: on this issue, that's for sure. Thank you very much, Professor.

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Speaker 2: When we get back, we'll be talking with the Massachusetts

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Speaker 2: State Auditor, Diana Desaglio, about her fight to audit the

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Speaker 2: state legislature. This is an issue that I strongly agree

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Speaker 2: with the auditor. The legislature is holding out eventually. Voters

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Speaker 2: approved this audit process a year ago by a vote

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Speaker 2: of seventy two percent, overwhelming We'll talk with the auditor

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Speaker 2: right after the nine o'clock news here on Nightside