1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: Michael and Dragon. So I went down last night, bought 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: a car, starving, trying to figure out what I was 3 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: going to eat for dinner. 4 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 2: Just I don't know. 5 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: I had this craving for a Chick fil a chicken sandwich. 6 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: And then I remember the whole fry debate and they 7 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: were not good. I don't know what they did, but 8 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: it ain't good. 9 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 3: Try again, See how amazing our influences on people. 10 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, we caused at least two people me included to 11 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 4: did Chick fil A yesterday? 12 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 3: And of course the thing, the sad thing is we 13 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 3: only hear from her when she calls in to gripe 14 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 3: about fries. Nothing like, oh I miss you guys. You 15 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 3: know I missed the girls, I missed the dogs. You 16 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 3: know you were a lousy tipper. But nonetheless I still 17 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:51,279 Speaker 3: like taking care of your dog. None of that, None 18 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 3: of that, none at all. No, just oh you know, 19 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 3: I had an odd, you know, subliminal desire for you know, 20 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 3: Chick fil A, see kick Fla, MacDonald's, Taco Bell, all 21 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 3: these places. They should be sponsoring this program. Crumble weed, 22 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 3: crumble cookies. We drive business, We drive business. We know 23 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 3: your business. 24 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 4: Yeah, if you're interested in advertising Michael Brown at iHeartMedia 25 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,919 Speaker 4: dot com dot com and. 26 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 3: I'll let you get you a good salesman. Do we 27 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 3: have any good salesman left in it? I mean, Joel's 28 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 3: pretty good. 29 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 4: It was weird seeing Joel over there just a second ago. 30 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 2: He was in a regular T shirt. That's not Joel's uniform. 31 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 4: Joel just normally dresses to the nines every day. 32 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 5: I know. 33 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 2: It was like T shirt and did you just roll 34 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 2: out of bed? Right? 35 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 4: Weird? 36 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 2: He looked like us. I didn't like it. 37 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 4: Did see him at the Broncos game, the first Broncos 38 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 4: game of the season. I honestly I did not recognize 39 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 4: him because he was wearing regular clothes, shirt and jeans. 40 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 4: It's like comment, everybody's got their uniform around your eye. 41 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 4: I've got my shorts and funny shirts. You've got your 42 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 4: white button down untucked and jeans, and Joel's got the 43 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 4: nines And no, you can't be. It'd be like if 44 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 4: I showed up in a suit. 45 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 2: I'm better now, do you feel better? I've been thinking 46 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 2: about starting to tuck my shirts back in. Why I 47 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 2: don't know what you why? Why was that your reaction? 48 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 4: There's nothing wrong with the way. I mean, because it's 49 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 4: so you now, so why why change it? 50 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 3: Well, because earlier that was so me then, so it 51 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 3: could be me then again. But the white Shirts. 52 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 2: Aren't going away, right of course. Yeah, that's gonna go away. 53 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 3: The University of Colorado Hospital and Shoots is one of 54 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 3: the highest ranked hospitals. In fact, it is ranked as 55 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 3: the number one hospital in Colorado for the fourteenth consecutive 56 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 3: year and is recognized nationally as one of the best 57 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 3: hospitals in the United States according to US News and 58 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 3: World Report, which is always doing all those rankings of 59 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 3: universities and things. It is nationally ranked in four adult 60 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 3: specialties pulmonology, lung surgery obviously in cooperation with National Jewish 61 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 3: Cancer the diabetes at indracinology, and obgyn. It is consistently 62 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 3: listed as a high performing hospital in treatments for acute 63 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 3: kidney failure, stroke, heart arrhythmias, heart failures, spinal fusion, hip fractures, 64 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 3: and in a broader scope u see Health. University of 65 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 3: Colorado Hospital is among the top performing academic hospitals, frequently 66 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 3: mentioned in Best in State Hospital list. Again according to 67 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 3: rankings in newsweek. 68 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 2: Now. 69 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 3: Compared to other places in the metro area. You see, 70 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 3: Denver is the number one, but you still and it 71 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 3: ranks above like Inner Mountain Health, Saint Joe HCA Health one. 72 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 3: It's repeated recognition includes acknowledgment by different you know, ranking 73 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 3: organizations and different institutions that rank and study hospitals. It's 74 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 3: and because my son obviously as a professor or a 75 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 3: doctor out there, it's not gonna stop me from telling 76 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 3: you what I'm going to tell you. I find this 77 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 3: mind boggling based upon their ranking, and it shows that. Now, 78 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 3: let's be honest. You see, Health Colorado is like public schools. 79 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 3: We refer to public schools, I think erroneously as public schools. 80 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 3: We should refer to them as government schools. You see health. 81 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 3: University of Colorado Hospital in Aurora is a government hospital. 82 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 3: State health inspectors force you see health to halt most 83 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 3: surgeries this summer after discovering hundreds, if not thousands, of 84 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 3: surgical instruments contaminated with dried blood and tissue in the 85 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 3: sterile processing department. Now I want to make clear, not 86 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 3: in the o rs themselves, So not in this sterile 87 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 3: area I'm talking about. You know, Dragon goes in because 88 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 3: Dragon was too busy eating his fries and his Chick 89 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 3: fil A driving down the interstate, you know, a Parker 90 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 3: Road or whatever at one hundred and eighty miles an 91 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 3: hour because he was too busy shoving the food in 92 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 3: his mouth, and he ran and he drove into a 93 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 3: telephone pole. So they pick him up, they take him 94 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 3: to you see health, They start putting all his guts 95 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 3: back in. They can't find the brain, but that didn't 96 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 3: make any difference. They just leave that out anyway, and 97 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 3: they start sewing them all up, and then you know, 98 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 3: they got all of the blood and the guts and 99 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 3: everything else, and all the instruments, and so that, you know, 100 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 3: the doctors rip off their gloves. They throw all the 101 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 3: instruments on the silver tray, the you know, the steel tray, 102 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 3: and then they wheeled down to the to the plex 103 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 3: fort to be sterilized, so that when I go to 104 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 3: Togo Bell. 105 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 2: And I fart in the car and I pass out. 106 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 3: And I drive into the poll that they can use 107 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 3: those same instruments, you know, to put me back together. 108 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 3: But they don't do that. And I don't know why 109 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 3: I'm laughing, because this is a serious, this is an 110 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 3: f up. 111 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 2: I mean they really, this is horrible. 112 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 3: The Conuada Department of Public Health and Environment suspended operations 113 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 3: at u SE campus after an unannounced inspection this last July. Now, 114 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 3: I don't know why we're just now hearing about it. 115 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 3: I first saw this story last night, and that's when 116 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 3: I started dating. 117 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 2: Yes, kay, you said July July. Checks calendar, Yes it's October. 118 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 2: That's it. 119 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 4: Wow. 120 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 3: So for some reason, nobody wanted to report. Now I 121 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 3: may be wrong, but I found only one local source. Now, 122 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 3: you may, your mileage may vary, you might find some 123 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 3: other sources. But last night I finally only found one 124 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 3: local source, which is why I then started digging into 125 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 3: Lexus and Texas to see if I could find other sources. 126 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 3: So here's what happened. The Conrado Department of Public Health 127 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 3: and Environment cdph G, the same ones that want to, 128 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 3: you know, get rid of I want to get rid. 129 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 2: Of CO two. 130 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 3: They did an unannounced inspection in July this past summer. 131 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 3: That inspection revealed severe sterilization failures. The inspectors responding to 132 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 3: a formal complaint. Hmmm, so we have a whistleblower. Can 133 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 3: I just say to whoever that whistleblower is out there. 134 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 2: Thank you. 135 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 3: This is what people should be. You did the right thing, 136 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 3: but somebody needs it, and not you, the whistleblower, but 137 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 3: somebody needs to be the discipline. We'll get to that 138 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 3: in a minute. Responding to this formal complaint, they documented 139 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 3: seventeen stainless steel carts, each of those stacked with eleven 140 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 3: to thirty trays of dirty instruments. So imagine you have 141 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 3: a steel cart. Imagine something well, would be something similar, 142 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 3: like you know at a donut store or Crumble cookies 143 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 3: or someplace where they pull stuff out and they put 144 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 3: them on the you know, they put the different trays 145 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 3: on the carts so they can wheel it around. So 146 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 3: imagine that. So they found seventeen of those kinds of carts, 147 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 3: each stacked with eleven to thirty trays of dirty instruments. 148 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,559 Speaker 3: Then they found additional carts. I don't know why I'm 149 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 3: laughing about this, except it's just so in it's surreal. 150 00:08:55,760 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 3: They found additional carts filled with unwashed tools near the 151 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 3: operating rooms. So the state officials that I got to 152 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 3: give the inspectors, as much as I despise the kind 153 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 3: of Department of Health and environment, mainly for their environmental 154 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 3: climate change bull crap. They immediately classified the findings as 155 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 3: an immediate jeopardy violation. That is the highest severity level 156 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 3: used because it means patients face imminent risk of harm. 157 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 2: Of course, duh. 158 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 3: We just operated on Dragon Redbeard. We let all the 159 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 3: blood and guts and everything else that came out of 160 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 3: him dry on the instruments, and then we just wheeled 161 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 3: and put it over to the side. And then you 162 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 3: could have I mean it didn't, but you could have had, 163 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 3: you know, someone just accidentally. Oh, surely a doctor would 164 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 3: notice you ever pick up surely you've done this. You've 165 00:09:58,240 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 3: gone to a restaurant and you've picked up a spoon 166 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 3: or a fork or a knife, and there's like a 167 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 3: water mark on it because the water didn't get completely 168 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 3: dried off. So it's got I look at that, and 169 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 3: I won't use that. I won't even use that. 170 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 2: Because that tells me that something in the water. 171 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 3: Maybe you know better from subway, but something in the 172 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 3: in the washing process you didn't exactly dry it right 173 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 3: or something. 174 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 2: But I'll send it back. I'll point out, look, there's 175 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 2: a there's a water mark on here. I'm not gonna 176 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 2: use it. Yeah, that's a big pet peeve. 177 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 4: Missus radbard sh will open up the napkin bundle with 178 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 4: the supper inside, and she looks at. 179 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 2: Nope, nope, not touching this one. I don't know what 180 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 2: it is. 181 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,079 Speaker 4: It's just how it is dried. And I know, I 182 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 4: know soons example, if you don't put them upside down, 183 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 4: it'll pool. 184 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 2: That little bit of water and it'll dry. And it's 185 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 2: just because they weren't put upside down probably most likely. Yeah, 186 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 2: oh okay, I'm still not gonna use them. Yep, okay, 187 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 2: all right. 188 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 3: Anyway, so this is the highest severity level used because 189 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 3: the patient face face a minute, I'm in at risk 190 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 3: of heart you see, Health halted non emergency or elective 191 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 3: surgeries for a full week in July. Now, emergency and 192 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 3: urgent procedures continued at a reduced capacity. In other words, 193 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 3: unit as taxpayers didn't get the full benefit of a 194 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 3: hospital we're paying for. Because of this mistake, thousands thousands 195 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 3: of instruments that were waiting cleaning were exposed to air. 196 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 3: They were visibly contaminated. Now, the shutdown primarily affected operating 197 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 3: rooms at the university's tower on the end Shoots Campus. 198 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 3: That's one of the highest volume surgical centers in the 199 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 3: entire state of Colorado. Now, CDPH the kind of department 200 00:11:54,120 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 3: Health and Environment, they determined the problem stemmed from an 201 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 3: overwhelmed sterile processing department. Those are the people that you know, 202 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 3: once the surgery's done, the instruments are put on the cart, 203 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 3: those carts get collected, they get taken on a service elevator, 204 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 3: you know, down below the o RS and that's where 205 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 3: they go through the immaculate process of sterilizing everything. Because 206 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 3: what's the number one danger in going We're you most 207 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:31,559 Speaker 3: likely to get sick in a hospital from what infections? 208 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 3: So that's why they have such an immaculate and such 209 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 3: a very what's the word, I'm looking for, a very 210 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 3: meticulate process by which all these instrument instruments are sterilized. 211 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 3: Why did this occur? I found a quote from a spokesperson, 212 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 3: Kelly Christensen said that the sterile processing department was quote 213 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 3: working at reduced capacity, forcing postponements or relocation of elective surgeries. Okay, 214 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 3: why Well, the combination of understaffing, an increased workload, lousy 215 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 3: or poor oversight led to hundreds and thousands of instruments 216 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 3: being left unclean. The regulators required the department to implement 217 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 3: both immediate corrective measures and long term in a long 218 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 3: term compliance plan to prevent recurrence. Now, while the state 219 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 3: found no confirmed patient infections or injuries, it obviously caused 220 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 3: a widespread disruption to patient care and put a financial 221 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 3: strain on the hospital. Now they verified, they the department 222 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 3: verified that they had regained full compliance. Now, remember they 223 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 3: found this in July. They regained full compliance by September, 224 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 3: and that's when they allowed surgeries to resume. Now, the 225 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 3: broader context is this. Now, they've had similar contamination problems 226 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 3: at other hospitals. But why here, Why did this happen? Well, 227 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 3: the government, the state and shoots the hospital decided to 228 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 3: expand their our facilities. It's right, number one, people prefer 229 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 3: to go there. It is indeed a great place. But 230 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 3: you increase the number of sterile ors, you increase the 231 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 3: number and the amount and the you know, the the 232 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 3: conveyor belt of surgeries that occur. But you don't increase 233 00:14:55,400 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 3: the sterilization department. You don't bring on additional personnel. Now, 234 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 3: in one story in the Colorado's Son, it said that 235 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 3: someone told them anonymously that a provost or a vice 236 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 3: president or someone at a high level was aware of 237 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 3: this and didn't do anything about it. 238 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 5: Hmm. 239 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 3: Now, I don't know about you, but we seem to 240 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 3: be demanding and not getting the kind of accountability that 241 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 3: we demand from these public facilities that we pay for. 242 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 2: So why it has now and maybe but nobody's reported 243 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 2: on it yet. 244 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 3: Maybe that provost or vice president or whomever it is 245 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 3: that was in charge of this that was aware of 246 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 3: it and did nothing. Maybe they'd been suspended with or 247 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 3: without pay for a while, maybe they'd been demoted. Maybe 248 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 3: they got a ride up, you know, maybe they got 249 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 3: a call from the HR department and they sat down 250 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 3: and said, shame on, you don't do it again. Did 251 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 3: anything happen? All I want to know is what, if 252 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 3: anything happened? 253 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 2: Now? 254 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 3: State officials emphasize that these cases, while rare, highlight the 255 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 3: vulnerabilities and hospital sterilization systems, especially as hospitals expand capacity 256 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 3: but failed to match it with staffing and safety oversight. 257 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 3: That's according to Denver Gaze. Now let me tell you 258 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 3: that again, it's rare, but it's a recognize the Department 259 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 3: of Health and Environment recognizes this as one of the 260 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 3: vulnerabilities when hospitals expand capacity and don't match staffing in 261 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 3: safety oversight. Why did it take so if the car 262 00:16:56,280 --> 00:17:00,479 Speaker 3: Department of Health and Environment knows that this is a vulnerability, 263 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 3: and they know that CU and shoots is expanding the 264 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 3: number of oars so they can expand the number of 265 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 3: procedures they do, isn't the government oversight also at fault? 266 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 3: So isn't this a complete failure of the system. And 267 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 3: but for a whistleblower, how much longer would it taken 268 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 3: CDPH to know about this? And where's that in terms 269 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 3: of that Vice president at provosts You were sleeping the 270 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 3: switch too. Everybody's asleep with a switch. Unfortunately no one 271 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 3: was harmed in this ineptitude. 272 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 2: Michael, preemptive talk back, no cackle and camelo. I remember 273 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 2: some people say she's the most qualified person to ever 274 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 2: run for president. Well she is. And while I will 275 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 2: not do a camel a cackle. 276 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 3: Just so that you understand that she's not gone away 277 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 3: yet yet. 278 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 6: They've coined climate anxiety. They're experiencing them. Look, they've coined 279 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 6: climate anxiety, which is their fear that because of changing 280 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 6: in extreme weather that the future of their lives is 281 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 6: very much at sake. My goddaughter, who's a junior in 282 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 6: college right now, is crying to me just two days ago, 283 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 6: worried about what is the world going to be for me? Auntie? 284 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 6: She said, when I want to have kids? Should I 285 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 6: even be thinking about having children? That's on top of unaffordable, 286 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 6: you know, not for her, but for so many in 287 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,919 Speaker 6: that generation. They don't aspire to own a home. They 288 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 6: don't believe it's within their reach. 289 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 3: Gen Z's afraid to have kids because of climate anxiety. 290 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 3: Do you think her god daughter really came to her crying? 291 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 2: Is the anti kamma? What what shall I do? When 292 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 2: should I have a child? When shall I not have 293 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 2: a child? Will they be as smart as you? 294 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 4: It feels like the thing that you do when you're 295 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 4: like five or six years old and you realize I'm 296 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:14,959 Speaker 4: gonna die one of these My mom and dad are 297 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 4: gonna die with You're a child you're five or six 298 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 4: years old. Yes, while that is true, but that's not 299 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 4: gonna happen for a time. 300 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 2: Enjoy it. 301 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 3: Why you can't before you get to be my age 302 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 3: and you start realizing, ooh, today could be today. 303 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 2: Here's hoping what bad bad a joke? 304 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:40,479 Speaker 3: Well, whatever, I'm sure it was awful. Whatever it was, 305 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 3: I'll have to go back and listen. No, I don't 306 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 3: listen to the podcast. I'm not gonna do that. Remember 307 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 3: yesterday were talking about the United Nations Digital ID and 308 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 3: and I was being totally irrational about how imagine who 309 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 3: has access to all that info and that it could 310 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 3: be you, us against you, and you know subject cyber attacks. Well, 311 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 3: a major cyber incident recently struck Los Angeles, involving the 312 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 3: technology and transportation company Weimo. The incident exposes the vulnerabilities 313 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 3: in autonomous vehicle systems, It raises questions about urban cyber safety, 314 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 3: and it should spark some debate about the future of 315 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 3: smart city deployments because going back to to Kamala's point, 316 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,439 Speaker 3: they're all worried about climate change and they want to 317 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 3: create these fifteen minute cities where you just you know, 318 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 3: everything's within fifteen minutes, so you don't need a car, 319 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 3: you don't need to own anything, and in fact, you 320 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 3: just you know, push up, push up on your on 321 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 3: your on an app, the car shows up, takes you 322 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 3: wherever you want to go, and just you know, reappears 323 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 3: when you want to leave. This took place in Beverly Grove, 324 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 3: a neighborhood in Los Angeles, UH during the early morning 325 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 3: hours between three point thirty five in the morning and. 326 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:02,640 Speaker 2: Four o'clock on a Saturday. 327 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 3: Law enforcement had gotten multiple calls regarding a large group 328 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 3: somewhere between fifteen one hundred people gathered at the intersection 329 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,679 Speaker 3: of Los Siennaea Boulevard in West third Street because they 330 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 3: were going to do one of these street takeovers. During 331 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:24,239 Speaker 3: the chaos, the crowd targeted and vandalized Awaimo Robotaxi, one 332 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 3: of those self driving vehicles that operates without a human 333 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 3: being in it. Video footage showed bystanders tearing off a 334 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 3: passenger door, shattering the windows, flattening attire, and then standing 335 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 3: on top of the vehicle. No injuries were reported, and 336 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 3: of course, of course we've got video, we've got the 337 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 3: local television stations covering it. We have vandalizing occurring, but 338 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 3: no arrests were made. Now a vandalism report was filed 339 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 3: WOW and detectives began investigating the motives and organization behind 340 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 3: the event, but as of most latest reporting, WAYMO said 341 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 3: it was cooperating with law enforcement agencies and reviewing the 342 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 3: breach to somehow strengthen their safety protocols. So the primary 343 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 3: target was Wimo. They're they're the one of the In fact, 344 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 3: I think Waimo Beak may be coming to Denver. I'm 345 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 3: not sure, but it's it's the leading AI kind of 346 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 3: taxi services. It's the AI uber, if you will. Now, 347 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 3: the perpetrators appear to be just participants in a street takeover, 348 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 3: which is obviously an illicit gathering, often organized via social 349 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 3: media and messaging apps, so they can have drag races 350 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 3: and do stunts and do all of that. They you know, 351 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 3: they still occur upon well maybe they don't occur on 352 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 3: Colfax anymore because the construction, But I've been walking down 353 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 3: Colfax going to you know, going to Bastroom's East Steak 354 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 3: when I've watched one of those occur. It really is 355 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 3: kind of frightening because you never know when something's going 356 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 3: to happen. 357 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 2: Somebody's gonna have an accident. 358 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 3: It'd be like standing on the on the rail at 359 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,479 Speaker 3: you know some sort of you know, at the ND 360 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 3: five hundred for example, just waiting for the crash to 361 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 3: come over. 362 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 2: The wall and hit you. 363 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 3: But here's what was interesting, at least for me, The 364 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 3: attack centered on not just the physical but also on 365 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 3: the digital vulnerability of these driverless cars. During the street party, 366 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 3: the Way Mood vehicle had stopped at a red light 367 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 3: when it got surrounded and assaulted. Social media posts and 368 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 3: the local news stories highlighted that during this incident, the 369 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 3: vehicles remote operators, the or the AI driven safety protocols 370 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 3: did not prevent the damage. So that obviously raises questions 371 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 3: about how these systems cope with mass disruptions and coordinated 372 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 3: hacking attempts or digital interference. Now, the initial rumor suggested 373 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 3: that cyber hacking might have disabled the vehicle before it 374 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:14,400 Speaker 3: was physically attacked. But investigators call me skeptical, say, there's 375 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 3: no direct evidence of remote hacking. Okay, well, is there 376 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:27,479 Speaker 3: evidence of indirect hacking? And perhaps WAIMO doesn't want you 377 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 3: to report? So where would you go? Do you think, 378 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 3: let me just do a couple of what ifs here? 379 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 3: Do you think a detective with the Los Angeles Police 380 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 3: Department has the capacity? I don't mean this derogatorily, I'm 381 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 3: just as a practical matter. Do you think when they're 382 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,360 Speaker 3: conducting an investigation. Do you think they have the wherewithal 383 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 3: whatever that might be, the tools, the brain power that 384 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 3: the knowledge, the abilities that not the knowledge skills and 385 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 3: ability the KSAs to figure out whether or not there 386 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,360 Speaker 3: was a cyber attack that disabled the vehicle. I don't 387 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 3: think they do. And I think that perhaps that these 388 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 3: people that organize all these street things by doing the 389 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 3: you know, all the social media apps, that perhaps they 390 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:29,439 Speaker 3: or someone in the know with this group disabled to 391 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 3: vehicle so it could be attacked. Now for the street 392 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:40,919 Speaker 3: takeover gain bangers, vandalizing a robotaxi represents an active rebellion. 393 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 3: It's a digital protest. It's an opportunistic mischief against a 394 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 3: highly visible AI technology that is penetrating our daily lives. 395 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 2: So as we kind of go forward and keep. 396 00:25:55,800 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 3: Going down more AI driven technologies, is there going to 397 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 3: be a rebellion? 398 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 2: Now. 399 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 3: I'm not going to rebel against most of it, because 400 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 3: I think most of it can be used for good. 401 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 3: But I'm not going to be a part of some 402 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 3: organization that's going to go out there and try to 403 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 3: do the disruption. However, I do sincerely believe that there 404 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 3: will be groups that are so you know, they're. 405 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 2: They're they're. 406 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 3: They're anti technologists, they're they're they're unibomber, They're there ted 407 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,640 Speaker 3: cazentsk eat like individuals that are opposed to this, these 408 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 3: advances in technology, and they see it as a threat 409 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 3: to humanity. 410 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 2: So what are they going to do. 411 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 3: They're going to start doing cyber attacks, They're going to 412 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 3: start doing all sorts of things that whatever they can 413 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:54,479 Speaker 3: do to create chaos, which raises the question, what is 414 00:26:54,720 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 3: either the government or these technology companies doing to ensure 415 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 3: our safety. Every time I see someone driving a self 416 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 3: driving tesla, I think to myself, hmm, it's like seeing 417 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,439 Speaker 3: someone that's maybe a little sleepy, or maybe a little 418 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 3: drunk or little whatever, not paying attention, or are they're 419 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 3: on their phone. 420 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 2: What do I do? 421 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 3: I try to get around them as quickly as far 422 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 3: away as I can and move on because I never 423 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 3: know when they're going to start crossing the line, or 424 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 3: whether they're going to lose control of the car, or 425 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 3: when someone's going to attack the car. Call me paranoid 426 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 3: or just call me practical. I don't care what you want, 427 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 3: but I want to avoid that. Now, with this occurring 428 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 3: in Los Angeles, it makes me raise the question even further. 429 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 3: What about the anti technology groups out there or what 430 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:57,160 Speaker 3: about nonstate actors that just want to create chaos? Hmm, 431 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 3: and we expect the government or the tech companies themselves 432 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 3: to protect us from that. You probably like Chick fil 433 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 3: a fries. 434 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 5: Hey, Michael, I'm not an attorney, nor do I play 435 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 5: one on the radio. But could we fund the government 436 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 5: in sections such as vote to like fund the military 437 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,120 Speaker 5: and force the Democrats to vote on that and then 438 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 5: vote to fund different sections of the continuing resolution? Or 439 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 5: does it have to be an all or nothing bill? 440 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 5: Just curious? 441 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,919 Speaker 3: You sound like someone I know? Do I know you? You 442 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 3: sound familiar anyway? The answer is yes, yes, And so 443 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 3: that's what Trump and the Republicans were trying to do 444 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 3: with the regard to the military. Hey, let's just pass 445 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 3: a continuing resolution to fund the Pentagon. Oh No, Democrats 446 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 3: wouldn't even do that, so they won't get their paychecks 447 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 3: until later. Now that may have changed since yesterday. Haven't 448 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 3: really paid much attention to the news this morning. But yes, 449 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 3: we could do that too. Oh shut down, So stupid, 450 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 3: speaking is stupid. There was a decision by the British 451 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 3: cops to ban Israeli Jews. 452 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 2: That these are. 453 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 3: Jews either coming from Israel or in the UK. They 454 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 3: can't go to a game in Birmingham because the Maccabi 455 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 3: tel Avis soccer team is playing there. Now, you know, 456 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 3: getting from Israel to Birmingham is not that big of 457 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,719 Speaker 3: a deal, or from London to Birmingham's. 458 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 2: Not that big of a deal. 459 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 3: And in fact, several Muslim members of Parliament want to 460 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 3: see a general ban on Israeli Jews from participating in 461 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 3: the Europa League writ large. Why because the West Midlands 462 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 3: Police believe they cannot guarantee the safety of Jewish fans 463 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 3: in England's second largest city, which just happens to be 464 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 3: home to a large Muslim population which is mostly of 465 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 3: Pakistani origin. This apartheid South Africa, huh. In fact, that's 466 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 3: what one of these Muslim members of Parliament said. Apartheid 467 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 3: South Africa was banned from the Olympics for thirty two years. 468 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 3: The same people would called Nelson Mandela terras now say 469 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 3: we can't boycott apartheid Israel. They were on the wrong 470 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 3: side of history then and they're on the wrong side 471 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 3: of history now. You don't have normal relations with genocide 472 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 3: and apartheid, boycott, devestment, and sanctions until Palestine is free. 473 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 3: So the cops capitulated. Wait a minute, isn't that the 474 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 3: same of us as a heckler's veto? Now in this country, 475 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 3: that's unlawful. That's a violation of the First Amendment. Now, 476 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 3: I know the United Kingdom's Kingdom is different, but it 477 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 3: is analogous because see it is a heckler's veto. Hey, 478 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 3: we can't guarantee your safety, so we're just going to 479 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 3: say you can't come. 480 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 2: Wow. 481 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 3: Pretty aniseemitic because that is saying to the Muslims who 482 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 3: are threatening the violence, Okay, okay, well we'll not do it. 483 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 3: You can you jew stay home. This is how insane, 484 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 3: utterly insane anti Semitism is giving. And I think that's 485 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 3: a part and parcel of this tyranny that is spreading 486 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 3: around the world. When when the home of the Magna 487 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 3: Carta is telling Israeli Jews, particularly from Tel Aviv, that 488 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 3: you can't come to Birmingham because oh, the Muslims here 489 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 3: don't want you. Wow, that's basically saying to all of 490 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 3: those who want to commit violence, who threaten violence, who 491 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 3: text or say things that are violent. 492 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 2: Oh, like the Democrats do all the time. They're winning. 493 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 3: They the people who advocate violence, are winning. At what 494 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 3: point do we say no, not gonna happen.