1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on w b Z, 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: Boston's news radio. 3 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 2: You know, I was away for a little time in February, 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 2: as I think most of you know. I've been back 5 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 2: for two weeks. But while I was away, a good 6 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:25,240 Speaker 2: friend of mine who everybody in this audience knows, I 7 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 2: think someone who has been a fixture in Boston for 8 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 2: longer than a half a century, the great Bill Brett 9 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 2: from the Boston Globe, Chief photographer of the Globe, and 10 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 2: now you can find Bill's work at his Facebook Bill 11 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 2: Brett Boston site. His wife Jinny had been struggling for 12 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 2: several years with something that I guess all of us 13 00:00:55,480 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 2: eventually deal with, some form of disease which takes our life, 14 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 2: our life and takes us away from those that we love. 15 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 2: And I asked Bill. Our good mutual friend, Jack Daugherty 16 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 2: sent me a text that Ginny had passed away. Jenny 17 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 2: and Bill had been married for fifty four years, and 18 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 2: Bill on his page his Facebook page, Bill Brett Boston 19 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 2: had written his own tribute to his wife. Bill and 20 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 2: Jenny raised four great kids. Carrie, who's been on this program. 21 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 2: She's a professional photographer in her own right. Their daughter Megan, 22 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 2: and they had twins, Aaron and Tim, and I did 23 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 2: not realize until I was talking with Bill actually earlier tonight, 24 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 2: that they also raised three foster children. So the Brett 25 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 2: household was a very busy household. And there's nobody in 26 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 2: Boston that knows more people than Bill Brett. In my opinion, 27 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 2: I'll ask him what's one say, Oh, yeah, that sort 28 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 2: of thing. But I just wanted to take a moment tonight, 29 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 2: and it's kind of a point of personal privilege just 30 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 2: to read this eloquent. Bill takes great pictures, but he 31 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 2: also writes eloquently, and this is his tribute to his wife, Ginny. 32 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 2: They were married in nineteen seventy one. Truly, you know, 33 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 2: childhood sweethearts. And when Ginny passed in February Thursday, just 34 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 2: trying to reconcile my calendar as I look at it 35 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 2: here it was Thursday, February twelfth. I was away. I 36 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 2: know that she had been struggling for some time. And 37 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 2: this is what Bill wrote. It is with deep sadness 38 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 2: and a heavy heart that I share the passing of 39 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 2: my beloved wife and best friend, Virginia Marie Ginny Brett, 40 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 2: our sweet Jinny has crossed into heaven after a long 41 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 2: and courageous battle with ovarian cancer. She passed at the 42 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 2: pat Roach Home in Hingham, surrounded by the love of 43 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 2: her family, her greatest pride and joy. As we approach 44 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 2: a week that celebrates love, I'm reminded that she was 45 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 2: the heart and soul of our family, the greatest source 46 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: of love in our lives. I was blessed to walk 47 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 2: beside her all these years, and I will carry that 48 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 2: love with me always. We are deeply grateful for your prayers, 49 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 2: support and kindness during this difficult time. A celebration of 50 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 2: her beautiful life will be held later this spring with 51 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 2: the Tales to follow, where we will gather as an 52 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 2: extended Brett family to on her life so deeply cherished 53 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 2: with love. Bill. Her life will be celebrated later this spring, 54 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 2: probably no date has been chosen yet, in late April 55 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 2: at the Resurrection Church in Heham. And I just you know, 56 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 2: want to say to Bill as as a friend. You know, 57 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:28,119 Speaker 2: we know the great loss in your life, but Bill, 58 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 2: you have, you know, a great family that you and 59 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 2: Jinny have have assembled, and you have a legion of friends. 60 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 2: Bill Brett, far and wide and if you want to 61 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 2: see a picture, I'd suggest all of you tonight at 62 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 2: some point or over the weekend go to his Facebook page, 63 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 2: Bill Brett Boston. Because of all the people I know, 64 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 2: and I know a lot, I don't think anyone epitomizes 65 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 2: this city and the experience in the history of this 66 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 2: city more than my great friend Bill Brett. And so Bill, 67 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 2: we'll see you soon. And the next big event that 68 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 2: I plan to be at will be the celebration, the 69 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 2: annual celebration of the Mary and Brett Food Pantry over 70 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 2: in Dorchester, and that will be Saint Patrick's Day weekend 71 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 2: March fourteenth, and so I'll see many of you at 72 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 2: that event as well. Anyway, we're gonna talk. We still 73 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 2: have a couple of hours left. I'll tell you what 74 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 2: we're going to do, just to sketch out the show. 75 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,679 Speaker 2: When we come back. I want to talk about change 76 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 2: the subject and go to the deposition that former President 77 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 2: Clinton was engaged in today with the House Government and 78 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 2: Oversight Reform Committee. All of this comes out of this 79 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein, and it's one of those scandals that is 80 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 2: so horrific to contemplate how this guy Epstein was able 81 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 2: to get away with all that he got away with 82 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 2: in his the wake of his death, whether it was 83 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 2: a suicide or or something other than a suicide, and 84 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 2: there's all sorts of rumors swirling about that. You think 85 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 2: of some of the wealthy and the famous whose careers 86 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 2: and lives have been changed. I want to talk about 87 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 2: the deposition of Hillary Clinton yesterday, Bill Bill Clinton, former 88 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:52,119 Speaker 2: President Clinton today and I have very mixed feelings about 89 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 2: this whole thing. Part of it is part of me 90 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 2: that says it has to we have to get to 91 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 2: the very bottom of this, and believe me, when we 92 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 2: get to the bottom of it going to be ugly 93 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 2: for many people. But you know, when you think about 94 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 2: what he is accused of and what he was convicted 95 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 2: of and what he is suspected of doing, there's no 96 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 2: way we can ignore it. But it's almost like it 97 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 2: just is hovering over our country, and to some extent, 98 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 2: I'm I'm getting sick of it, But at the same time, 99 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 2: I want to get to the bottom of it. I 100 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 2: think we must get to the bottom of it. So 101 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 2: I like, we haven't talked about it much on Night's side, 102 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 2: and I'm going to open up the phone lines right now, 103 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 2: your opinions, your thoughts on this six, one, seven, two, five, four, 104 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,679 Speaker 2: ten thirty six one, seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty 105 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 2: and then at eleven, I'm still not sure we're going 106 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 2: to do. We will do something that involves the audience, 107 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 2: which will get us to the weekend, I promise, perhaps 108 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 2: with a smile and a couple of great stories. But 109 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 2: we have We still have an hour and forty five 110 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 2: minutes here on night's side, and I'm looking forward to it. 111 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 2: I hope you are as well. If you want to 112 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 2: talk about the Epstein, the Jeffrey Epstein investigation, and this 113 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 2: has been around now for at least twenty years. This guy, brother, 114 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 2: it's a royalty from England or financial royalty here, Bill Gates, 115 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 2: Larry Summers, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, you know, put in 116 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 2: the embarrassing situation yesterday. I don't have a lot of 117 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 2: sympathy for Hillary Clinton, as I'm sure you know, but 118 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 2: I did have some sympathy for her yesterday. I hope 119 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 2: that for the sake of the country, that President Trump 120 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 2: is not involved in it anymore than he was not 121 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 2: because I'm a fan of President Trump. But I think again, 122 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 2: it would be nice if somehow we could have some 123 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 2: people who would have had the common sense to walk 124 00:08:55,040 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 2: away from this cabal of underage girls, because underage about 125 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 2: children almost, I mean, that's really what it was. Pedophiles. 126 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 2: You have the numbers. We'll be back on Nightside and 127 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 2: we'll dive into this this snake pit at least for 128 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 2: a little while. Okay, coming back on Nightside. It's night 129 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 2: Side with. 130 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 3: Boston's News Radio. 131 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 2: So today, for the first time in the history of 132 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 2: the country, a former United States president sat under subpoena 133 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 2: in a deposition in front of a congressional committee. The 134 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 2: chairman of the committee, Congressman James Comer of Tennessee, came 135 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:50,079 Speaker 2: out and spoke about Bill Clinton's deposition. The deposition eventually 136 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 2: is going to be released. They'll be a transcript of 137 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 2: the deposition, there'll be an audio version of the deposition. 138 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 2: And Representative Comer and he had this to say. This 139 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 2: was sort of like at a breakpoint, I believe during 140 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 2: the deposition sometime mid to late afternoon, cut number thirty three, Please, 141 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 2: Rob wanted to mention something because I know there's a 142 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 2: lot of obsession about President Trump from the media, a 143 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 2: lot of curiosity about President Trump from media. 144 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 4: I want to make a statement because they'll probably not 145 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 4: mention this when they come out here. 146 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 3: Reki. 147 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 4: Remember, Garcia asked President Clinton, quote, should President Trump be 148 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:39,319 Speaker 4: called to answer questions for this committee? And President Clinton 149 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 4: said that's for you to decide, and the President went 150 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 4: on to say that the President Trump has never said. 151 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 2: Anything to me to make me think he was involved, and. 152 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 4: He met with em say so, I know there's a 153 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,839 Speaker 4: lot of curiosity about President Trump. 154 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 2: I thought that was an interesting thing that President Clinton's 155 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 2: I think it's an interesting thing. I don't think it's dispositive. 156 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 2: I don't think that Donald Trump, if he were involved, 157 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 2: and I'm not saying he was, I don't think that 158 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 2: he would say to Bill Clinton, of all people, oh 159 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 2: yeah I was down there and I never saw you, 160 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 2: but you know whatever. So then the Democratic minority member 161 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 2: of the committee, Representative Robert Garcia, came out and responded 162 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 2: to what a Representative Coma, the Republican had said. This. 163 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 2: This was after Coma's statement, and Garcia disputed a little 164 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 2: bit cut thirty four. 165 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think your responsive mat is for you to 166 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 5: be the contreets record of what actually he said, which, look, 167 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 5: we're not going to disclose what was said, because that's 168 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 5: not in the rules. The Republicans keep breaking the rules. 169 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 5: But I think to what mister Frost said earlier, there 170 00:11:56,120 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 5: was I think that the president President Clinton did bring 171 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 5: up some additional information about some discussions with President Trump. 172 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 5: I think that the way Sherman Comber describe it, I 173 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:09,319 Speaker 5: don't think is a complete accurate description of what. 174 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 3: Actually was said. 175 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 5: So let's release the full transcript so you can get 176 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 5: all get a full record of what actually was said, 177 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 5: which brings up some very important new questions about comments 178 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 5: that President Trump has actually said in the past. 179 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 2: Okay, a little confusing there, but that's okay. Let's let's 180 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 2: just assume that when we see the transcript and the 181 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 2: audio version, they will speak for themselves. But I did 182 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 2: want to give you a sense of that today. And 183 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 2: again it's sort of a a little bit of a 184 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 2: rubicon has been crossed here. Joining me now, to my delight, 185 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 2: someone who will have some strong feelings on this is 186 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 2: Harvey Silverglad Harvey, thanks for calling in. 187 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 6: Man. This is in this case really royals me. I 188 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 6: don't know if you notice I ever had a letter 189 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 6: of the Globe today. 190 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 2: I have not noticed that, but please tell. 191 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 3: Okay, I was focused on Larry Summers. 192 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:26,199 Speaker 6: Yes, but okay, he obviously under pressure he resigned from Harvard. 193 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 6: This deprived students of the wisdom and experience of the 194 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 6: most experienced economists in the United States. He was Secretary 195 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 6: of the Treasury. He is the most experienced, and Harvard 196 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 6: students now will not have the benefit of his wisdom, 197 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 6: knowledge and experience because of something that somebody else did. 198 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 6: There is not a sentilla of evidence that Larry Summers 199 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 6: abused the woman. Of course, he isn't even an accusation. 200 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 6: But because he exercised his constitutional freedom of association. This 201 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 6: is a constitutional right we're talking about. He has been 202 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 6: forced out of Harvard. You know, the idea that he 203 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 6: voluntarily left is nonsense. There was obviously orders from on high, 204 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 6: and this whole Epstein thing has now spread out. There 205 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 6: are a few people who were, admittedly are guilty. I 206 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 6: think Prince Andrew has a problem to example, But Leslie 207 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 6: Wexner built Gates, Larry Summers are all victims of guilt 208 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 6: by association, and they have done zero wrong, and they 209 00:14:54,720 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 6: are being tard and feathered in the public schoo where. 210 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,479 Speaker 6: I think it's outrageous here's. 211 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 2: My question, Harvey, and I'm being I would be curious. 212 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 2: I'm not somebody who who thinks that there are you know, 213 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 2: forces at work. But this, uh, this scandal, and it's 214 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 2: a scandal, has kind of ebbed and flowed. Uh And 215 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 2: obviously when you have the former Secretary of State, first 216 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 2: Lady Hillary Clinton deposed yesterday and former President Clinton deposed today, 217 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 2: all of a sudden everybody is thinking about this. This 218 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 2: has just not gone away. How can it get resolved fairly? 219 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 2: In your opinion? 220 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 3: Okay? 221 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 2: With with with Epstein now dead, there's no one to try. 222 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 2: They're talking about millions of literally pages of I have 223 00:15:55,760 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 2: voluminous pages. What how do you approach this in in 224 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 2: some way to get to a point of satisfaction, finality, 225 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it, or with without making 226 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 2: it look like a cover up? I mean, what, what 227 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 2: what's the course that you Okay. 228 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 6: That you would Yeah, Bill Bill Clinton is a bad example, 229 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 6: with his history with Monica Lewinsky and all his credibility 230 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 6: is zero. Uh So skip Bill Clinton. But I think 231 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 6: that the rest of the victims of this witch hunt 232 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 6: have to get together to have a press conference and 233 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 6: point out that this is sexual McCarthyism, and they're not 234 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 6: going to put up with it, and they you know, 235 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 6: this is exactly what it is, sexual McCarthyism. 236 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 2: Is it Is it dangerous to link the f, the 237 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 2: the now, the the adjective sexual mccartheyism. I agree with you. 238 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 2: It's guilt by association, which is McCarthy's. And because there's there's, 239 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 2: there's now again, Gates has a whole different set of 240 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 2: problems here that are that are probably related to his marriage. Uh, 241 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 2: you're right, But how do you phrase it in such 242 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 2: a way where people will want to understand it and 243 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 2: then say, okay, we can we can close This guy's 244 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 2: been dead what five years? Epstein? 245 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, well he's been dead. I'm glad you put 246 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 6: it that way because it isn't clear to me whether 247 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 6: he committed suicide or was murdered. The the camera in 248 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 6: his cell happened to go off in a few seconds 249 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 6: that he after which he found he was found hung. Yeah, 250 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 6: so I'm not convinced he was it was a suicide. 251 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 2: So circumstantially, that is very very concerning, very concerning. 252 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 6: Yes, I mean, this whole thing stinks to high heaven. 253 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 6: And I think that a few of the victims of this. 254 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 6: McCarthy is I wrote a letter. Well, not only did 255 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 6: I have a letter on the Globe favor, but I 256 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 6: wrote a personal letter to Larry Summers, telling him that 257 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 6: if I had known he was even thinking of resigning, 258 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,959 Speaker 6: I would have organized a group of supporters to have 259 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 6: a press conference. I couldn't imagine that a great economist 260 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 6: would be forced out of Harvard for this. 261 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's that's where we are. And at the 262 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 2: same time, it sounds to me as if the young 263 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:44,439 Speaker 2: women who clearly were victims, I don't see how how they, 264 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 2: in any way, shape or form, receive any monicam of justice. 265 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 6: Well, right, Virginia Giuffrey, she committed suicide over this, you know, 266 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 6: and and and and wrote a book about it before 267 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 6: she killed herself. I mean, this whole thing has been 268 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 6: a disaster. But I am more concerned with the innocent 269 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:13,959 Speaker 6: who have been smeared than I am with, you know, 270 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 6: with the guilty. 271 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 2: Well, so, what what you're saying here is that there 272 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 2: may be people who are guilty. I don't know how 273 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 2: we can. First, first of all, I assume that it's 274 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 2: there's no issue with statue of limitations, because statute limitations 275 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 2: can can run. But I don't know if if the 276 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 2: location of the crimes, if they were committed on Jeffrey's Island, 277 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 2: on Epstein's Island, if if, if, if we even have jurisdiction, 278 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 2: I mean, there's some there's some procedural issues here that 279 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,120 Speaker 2: that well, I think are going to be difficult to overcome. 280 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 6: Some would have been committed them Fara, some would have 281 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 6: been committed in his Manhattan townhouse. Yeah, Okay, there's clearly jurisdiction. 282 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 2: And in other case, Yeah, but what I'm saying is 283 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 2: it is it is a it is a ball of yarn. 284 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 2: I don't I don't know how you convict the guilty 285 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 2: and simultaneously protect the innocent. And again, because of the guilty, 286 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 2: association is all over this case right now. 287 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, one way to protect the innocent is to stop 288 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 6: calling the innocent before congress congressional committee. There's no reason 289 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 6: to call some of these witnesses before a congressional committee 290 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 6: if there isn't a suspicion a based on and based 291 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 6: on evidence that they abuse a woman or were a 292 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 6: witness to the abuse of a woman. 293 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:02,199 Speaker 2: Harvey, as always, I appreciate yoursdom and and you're and 294 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 2: you're willing to join us tonight, and hopefully we'll get 295 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 2: some others who may who may have some comments to 296 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 2: make as well. Thank you so much. Okay, we will talk. 297 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 2: We will talk, so we may do something in greater 298 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 2: length than I'd like to utilize you ahead of time 299 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 2: as a guest to take phone calls. But I'll save 300 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 2: that for somewhere down the line because I think that 301 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 2: I'd like to make sure that that we get both 302 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 2: Missus Clinton and President Clinton's audio and and and transcripts 303 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 2: out so we're not shooting in the dark. Okay. 304 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. 305 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 6: Clinton's problem, of course, is different than a lot of 306 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 6: the other witnesses, because because his history. 307 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 2: Well true, and I mean, is it conceivable that Clinton 308 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 2: was down there and that often without any inappropriate behavior? 309 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,919 Speaker 2: I think that's a real question. And and then you have, 310 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 2: you know, presidents, all of these guys. Somehow, this guy 311 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,679 Speaker 2: Epstein was able to insinuate himself with these rich and 312 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 2: powerful people to his benefit. 313 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 6: He should have a no load prize in uh in 314 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 6: being able to make connections if. 315 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 2: Such a prize existed. Harvey will talk to him. I may, 316 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 2: I may want to bring you back and do an 317 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 2: hour with phone calls as this, But I'd like to 318 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 2: I think this, this, this story has to ripen just 319 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 2: a little bit. 320 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 6: Okay, but if you get a hold of today's Globe, 321 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 6: take a look at the letter they wrote, I. 322 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 2: Will and I'll give you a call over the weekend. 323 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 2: We can chat privately. Thanks Harvey. 324 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 3: All right, bye bye, talk. 325 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 2: To you soon. Take quick break if you'd like to 326 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 2: join the conversation. Again. I don't want to put it 327 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 2: this way, but I I guess in some form. Are 328 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 2: you convinced that we need to continue to pursue this case? 329 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 2: Is there a realistic hope of bringing justice to anyone here? 330 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 2: I know that there is an over an overview of politics, 331 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 2: because there are people who are prominent Republicans and people 332 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 2: who are prominent Democrats who were mentioned. But I think 333 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 2: the politics should be out of it and let justice proceed. 334 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 2: The first justice should be for the women who were 335 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 2: taken advantage of, and then the real justice should be 336 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 2: for the men who basically use their connections with Epstein 337 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 2: to force themselves on these women or to engage in 338 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 2: sexual activity with girls with women under the age of consent. 339 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 2: I mean, that's in my opinion, the bottom line, love 340 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 2: to get your take on. At six point seven four 341 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 2: thirty six, one, seven, nine, ten thirty we will talk 342 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 2: about this, I hope until eleven, and then at eleven 343 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 2: we'll go to the twentieth hours. So if you want 344 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:13,360 Speaker 2: to get in on this conversation, are offer a thought. 345 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 2: Now is the time to dial six one seven, two, 346 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 2: five four to ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, 347 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 2: ten thirty. 348 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBS Boston's 349 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 1: news radio. 350 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 2: All right, back to the phones we go. Let's go 351 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 2: to John and Pennsylvania. John, welcome next on Nightside. 352 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 1: Well, thank you for taking my call. The first of all, 353 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 1: I think that the the Wexner's and Summers of the world, 354 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 1: their lives will continue just fine. It's the young girls, 355 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: now now grown women, whom Epstein and Maxwell kidnapped, which 356 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: is what they did, and trafficked and abused with the 357 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 1: actual victims other countries. 358 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,679 Speaker 2: So my question John, for you, and again I'm not 359 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 2: an expert in this, but my question for you is 360 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 2: how do we proceed to find justice first of all 361 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 2: for the young victims and clearly they're young victims, okay, 362 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 2: And then how do we impose justice, how do we 363 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 2: figure out who the people were who took advantage of 364 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 2: these apparent offerings from Epstein. Epstein, that would. 365 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 3: Be dead right. 366 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: So oh, by the way, regarding that, I first dismissed 367 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: the you know, the the rumors around the death, that's 368 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 1: conspiracy theory. I've now come to believe that either he 369 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: was murdered in the cell or he was threatened into 370 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: hanging himself with the promise that if he didn't do so, 371 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 1: he would face a much more painful death. Not being said, 372 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 1: when you look at the arrest of Prince of well Andrew, yeah, well, 373 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 1: dignify with calling the prince. 374 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 2: Okay, you know you're. 375 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 3: Talking about he was he was, He wasn't. 376 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: He wasn't arrested recently because of of allegations about such 377 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 1: reasons under. 378 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 2: Taking information about the British government to. 379 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:16,199 Speaker 3: You. 380 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: And I have have talked before about this Epstein, who 381 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: had all of I think one semester of college. Though 382 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:29,360 Speaker 1: he was totally a highly intelligent man, he received one break, 383 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: one opportunity, and one position after another after another after 384 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 1: another after another that on paper he had no business getting, 385 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: he wasn't qualified to get. 386 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 2: And you know that, and you know, I'm not disputing 387 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 2: anything you're saying so. 388 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 1: Far, so let me so, let me get to my point. 389 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: Let me get to my point. 390 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 2: No, my question, My question was I'm not trying to 391 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 2: interrupt you. My question was where does that lead you? 392 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 2: You're You're correct, I'm about. 393 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:57,160 Speaker 3: To get to that. 394 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: I want to get to that. There were deals he 395 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 1: made on Wall Street. Even though this picky you is 396 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: being able to open brokerage accounts in the names of 397 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: young women whom had no familial connection to him whatsoever. Okay, again, 398 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: again and again they had red flags all over them. 399 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: He was allowed. Okay, the the deal he got, the 400 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 1: plea deal, the sweetest of sweetheart plea deals that he got. 401 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:31,360 Speaker 1: When he was initially prosecuting Florida. Someone intervened on his behalf. 402 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: Someone was always intervening on his behalf. 403 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,640 Speaker 2: John, you made your case. Okay, the jury is looking 404 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 2: this is this. 405 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,399 Speaker 1: So you need to follow the finances. Who made the 406 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 1: intervention in Florida, Who made the calls, when, when, when 407 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,360 Speaker 1: regulations were waived when he was making financial deals, who 408 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,640 Speaker 1: approved those waivers, who gave the go ahead, and why? 409 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,959 Speaker 1: Because he was trafficking, not just heinously in underage girls. 410 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 1: I believe he was blackmailing and I believe he was 411 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 1: tracking trafficking in in illicit information that he had no 412 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: business having. You see the start of that with with Andrew, 413 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 1: who obviously provided him information, clandestine information for in exchange 414 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:19,679 Speaker 1: for sex. 415 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm willing to grant that. I can't imagine what 416 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 2: the value of the information would be. It's just this, 417 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 2: I don't know what I don't know, John, is what 418 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 2: I'm trying to say. I'm not I'm on the same. 419 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: Team with man. 420 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 3: Okay, you're a man of the world. 421 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: You're more experienced than I am. You know that there 422 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: were reasons he got those breaks. You know there were 423 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: reasons that powerful people can't kept intervening on his behalf 424 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: and waving waving rules for him. 425 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 2: I get all of that. I get I get all 426 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 2: of that. I get all of that. Okay, who who's 427 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 2: gonna how do you make that case? I'm just what 428 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 2: I'm saying is this is an incredibly difficult case. 429 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: They're trying to make the case in the UK, they're 430 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: trying to make the case in Germany, they're trying to 431 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: make the case even in Poland. 432 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 2: Well that's good that if that is all. And obviously 433 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 2: the House Government Oversight Committee is trying to make a 434 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 2: case too. I assume they're doing the invest these investigations. 435 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 2: We'll see where it leads. I mean, it's it's way 436 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 2: above my pay grade to think that people, I mean 437 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 2: Bill Clinton, and I'm not trying to pick on Bill 438 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 2: Clinton here, but uh, the the amount of proximity that 439 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 2: this guy had to Bill Clinton. I've dealt with as 440 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 2: a as a journalist with people at that level, and 441 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 2: you don't get that sort of proximity without a quid 442 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 2: pro quo. 443 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people either knew or should 444 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 1: have known what he was doing. And that may include 445 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: Bill Clinton, that may include the current the current occupant 446 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: of the White House, Donald Trump. 447 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 2: It wouldn't surprise me, but I haven't seen anything at 448 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 2: this point. Which here's my thought. Donald Trump was a 449 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 2: very famous guy even before he was president. Would you agree, yes, okay? 450 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 2: And if he were to have taken advantage of his 451 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 2: friendship with Jeffrey Epstein, I would think that at this 452 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 2: point some young woman or some you know woman now 453 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 2: who's an adult might have come forward and said, Hey, 454 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 2: one of the people who took advantage of me, happened 455 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 2: to be this person or that person. 456 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: Well, no one has said that Bill or Hilly Clinton either, 457 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: but they've been questioned. 458 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 2: Yes, I understand that. 459 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: Let's question, Have Donald Trump testifying the oath, Have Larry 460 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: Summer testify on the oath? Have Bill Gates testify in 461 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: the roath? 462 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 2: But but what is the problem will cause to to. 463 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: What was the problem cause to have them? I don't. 464 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 2: I don't know. I honestly don't know. Okay, I don't know. 465 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 2: I'm telling you. Part of this, part of doing this 466 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 2: is normally I will take I can take a position 467 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 2: because I feel I have a belief. I have no 468 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 2: clue here. I really have no clue here. Uh. And 469 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 2: it's a story that has been kicking around for a 470 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 2: long time. This story is not a story that broke 471 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 2: last week. And where are the investigative reporters who are 472 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 2: who were way above my pay grade? Where are sixty 473 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 2: minutes who have broken this story wide open? Where's the 474 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 2: Washington Post? The New York Times? I it's it baffles 475 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 2: me to be really honest with you, and and you know, 476 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 2: we can we can point in a lot of different directions, 477 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,719 Speaker 2: all of which may have some credibility. But boy, at 478 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 2: this point, I don't. I'm not going to I'll ask 479 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 2: you this question, why do you think why do you 480 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 2: think this story has has not been broken by any 481 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 2: of our great investigative journals or journalists. It's been around 482 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 2: a long time. 483 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: I think you've been looking at the names that have 484 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 1: come up and what whatever, Okay, whatever their degree of 485 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 1: complicity or otherwise. I think you can see a lot 486 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,239 Speaker 1: of people are invested were invested in keeping this as 487 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 1: quiet as possible. It doesn't it doesn't mean that they 488 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: were involved with these young women that Epstein abused. But 489 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: I think it does mean that a lot of people 490 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: willing to turn a blind eye because Epstein had something 491 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: to offer them. Yeah, oh, turn a blind eye. 492 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 2: And I know what you're saying. I understand. You don't 493 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 2: have to explain that to me. I get it, John, 494 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 2: I'm way past my break. I'm four minutes past my break. 495 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 2: I got other calls. They got to get to. We're 496 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 2: raising questions. I don't think either one of us have answers, 497 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 2: and as good I don't. This is what man, I 498 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 2: do as well. I got to be honest with you, 499 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 2: and I'm not in normally you and I are on 500 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 2: opposite sides of the argument. I don't think we're on 501 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 2: opposite sides of the argument tonight. Thanks John. I appreciate your. 502 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: Call, absolutely not thank you for taking my call. 503 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 2: You're welcome. Here we go coming back right after this 504 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 2: on Nightside. You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on 505 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 2: WBZ Boston's news radio. Pery, we're talking about the Jeffrey 506 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 2: Epstein case in conjunction with the depositions taken in the 507 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 2: last two days of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton 508 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 2: and today former President Bill Clinton. Chris down the Cape, Chris, 509 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 2: welcome next to on Nightside. Maybe you can help us 510 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 2: figure this out. 511 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 3: Well, the last caller in your conversation with him sort 512 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 3: of segued into my point. Okay, lost in the whole conversation. 513 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 3: Here is the real heroin that leads to Jeffrey Epstein's 514 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 3: demise and everybody else's prob and she's gotten no credit whatsoever. 515 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 3: That would be Julie Ka Brown, the investigative reporter from 516 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 3: Miami Harald that persistently followed this story after that sweetheart 517 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 3: deal in West Palm Beach Court where he did nighttime 518 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 3: for a relatively minor offense, but she persisted and followed 519 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 3: this story to the point where it is now. Were 520 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 3: it not for Julie K. Brown, the Miami Herald investigative journalist, 521 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 3: we would not even be talking about Jeffrey Epstein. He'd 522 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 3: be alive and he'd be continuing on his merry way. 523 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 2: Okay, So again, not knowing as much about this, and 524 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 2: I one thing you're always going to learn about me, Chris, 525 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 2: is I'm going to be honest with you. If I 526 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,319 Speaker 2: think I have an opinion, you'll you'll hear it. If 527 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 2: you think that I don't know what I don't know, 528 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 2: you'll hear it. What is her status? Now? I know 529 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 2: of whom you speak, but but I haven't seen her 530 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 2: name related to this story much in recent years. 531 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,880 Speaker 3: See that's the problem. This story would have been dead. 532 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 2: No, you've made that point, Chris, I'm with you on that. 533 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 2: Where is she? Where is she? What is she doing now? 534 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 2: Is she retired from journalism? Is normally there's a reporter 535 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 2: like that would want to stay on that story until 536 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:42,840 Speaker 2: it's until it's completion. 537 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 3: Well, I don't know where she is now, but I 538 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 3: assume she's still with the Miami Harold. Okay, she's one 539 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 3: of the she was a group. She was one of 540 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 3: the group in the Miami Harold that got a Politzer 541 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 3: Prize nominations. 542 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 2: Okay, well, I'm just saying, because you call, then you 543 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 2: gave her such credit. I thought that you might have 544 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,360 Speaker 2: known offhand that either she retired or she's writing books. 545 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,840 Speaker 3: I don't know her current status. 546 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 2: But so what what does your gut tell you about it? 547 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 2: Do you do? You have an opinion? 548 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,400 Speaker 3: I do have an opinion. I let's hear it. Dead story, 549 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 3: Let's hear it. I think it was a dead story 550 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 3: until she broke it and persisted on what was this 551 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:33,320 Speaker 3: with the Acosta deal, which was more than actually anybody 552 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 3: had been able to develop in West Palm Beach. That 553 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:43,880 Speaker 3: she persisted and really broke the story and broke it 554 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:48,320 Speaker 3: wide open to a point that further investigations were warranted. 555 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,880 Speaker 3: She had the victims. 556 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:55,240 Speaker 2: I'm looking at her bio here and it basically says 557 00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 2: the last couple of Brown received a National Press Clubjournalism 558 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,400 Speaker 2: Institutes Neil and Susan she And Award for Investigative Journalism 559 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,279 Speaker 2: in October twenty nineteen. In December twenty nineteen, Brown and 560 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 2: her Miami Herald colleague Emily Micheau were jointly recognized for 561 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,320 Speaker 2: the five part series Perversion of Justice with the Sydney Award, 562 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,040 Speaker 2: the Hillman Prize for Journalism and the Common Good, and 563 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 2: the Sydney Hillman Foundation. And that seems to be it. 564 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,720 Speaker 2: So she's been pretty quiet for the last few years. 565 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 2: It would appear to me there's nothing that says she 566 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:33,879 Speaker 2: has retired from journalism. In July of twenty twenty, her 567 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,760 Speaker 2: book Perversion of Justice was published by William Morrow and Company. 568 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,200 Speaker 2: The book will service the foundation for a limited series 569 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,680 Speaker 2: on HBO, to be executive produced by Brown along with 570 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 2: Kevin Messick and Adam McKay. So she's moved on to 571 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 2: HBO to produce her book. 572 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,760 Speaker 3: I think she also got a Polk Award to journal well. 573 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 2: She might have gotten twenty. I think she did as well. 574 00:37:56,040 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 2: She received a Polk Award. But you left me hanging anyway, Chris, 575 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 2: as always, I'm no, I'm glad you mentioned your name, 576 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:06,840 Speaker 2: and maybe maybe we will try to reach out to 577 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,799 Speaker 2: her and see what we can find out. But she 578 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 2: certainly hasn't moved the story in the last in the 579 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,799 Speaker 2: last few years, and that's what what mystifies me. I'm 580 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:19,279 Speaker 2: mystified as a journalist. Okay, no, I agree, all right, thanks, thanks, Chris, 581 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 2: appreciate it. 582 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:21,919 Speaker 3: All right, all right, that have a great one. 583 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 2: Okay, we are done with the serious conversations, simple as that, 584 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,359 Speaker 2: we're gonna go to the eleventh to the twentieth hour 585 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,399 Speaker 2: right after eleven o'clock news, and I'm not exactly sure 586 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 2: what we're gonna do. I'll let you know about eleven 587 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,359 Speaker 2: oh five coming back on night Side on this Friday night, 588 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 2: as we move into the final twentieth hour of the 589 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 2: week here on Nightside,