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Speaker 1: This is a podcast from wor Now.

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Speaker 2: More of the WOOR Saturday Morning Show and Larry Minty.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back at the New Jersey gubernatorial debate. Democratic candidate

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Speaker 1: Mikey Cheryl accused Republican candidate Jack Chittarelli several times of

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Speaker 1: killing tens of thousands of people because his company built

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Speaker 1: a website for an opioid company. I have never ever

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Speaker 1: heard something like this.

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Speaker 3: I think the people you got addicted and died deserve

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Speaker 3: better than you did. I'll tell you, yeah, tens of

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Speaker 3: thousands here as you published misinformation. You then went on

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Speaker 3: to kill tens of thousands of people in New Jersey,

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Speaker 3: including Chilok And I think you're trying to divert from

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Speaker 3: the fact that you killed tens of thousands of people.

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Speaker 1: My first thought was she's desperate, and then that she

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Speaker 1: was told that she really has to go after him.

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Speaker 1: After that, I thought, can you be sued for that?

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Speaker 1: Because she accused him of Jack Chittarelli of killing tens

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Speaker 1: of thousands of people for building a website that would

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Speaker 1: never go over in court. And you know what, Jack

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Speaker 1: Chittarelli is suing her. Jack Chittarelli, Republican candidate for New

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Speaker 1: Jersey governor is with us now. I was, as you

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Speaker 1: just heard me talk about, Jack. I was stunned. I

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Speaker 1: have never heard something like that before during a political debate.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you were stunned too, Larry.

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Speaker 2: You're not alone. I was stunned. It was an unbelievable,

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Speaker 2: surreal moment. It was baseless, it was reckless. It's affamatory,

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Speaker 2: and I'll be filing suit. We're not David lyn All

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Speaker 2: throughout this campaign, the whole campaign has been based on

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Speaker 2: a stack of laws, her disdain for the president, that

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Speaker 2: she flies a helicopter, none of which is going to

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Speaker 2: fix New Jersey. But she's not getting away with this one.

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Speaker 2: We're getting an advisory opinion from ELEK, which governs campaign finance

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Speaker 2: in New Jersey, and as soon as we have their decision,

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Speaker 2: we'll be filing our suit.

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Speaker 1: I'm getting tired of these polls, Jack, They're all over

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Speaker 1: the place. They can't make up their mind if you're tie,

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Speaker 1: or you're behind, or you're ahead. I what is You've

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Speaker 1: been through this before you went through that four years ago, Larry.

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Speaker 2: The ones that have me behind are most times the

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Speaker 2: university polls, which don't invest in necessary money it's more

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Speaker 2: of a survey than a poll. But those have me

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Speaker 2: down by maybe six points or seven points, the same

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Speaker 2: ones that had Kamala Harris win in the state last

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Speaker 2: year by twenty and had me down last time by

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Speaker 2: twelve with a couple of weeks ago. All the other

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Speaker 2: poles that are more credible have this as a dead

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Speaker 2: heat or me with a one or two point lead.

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Speaker 2: We're not taking anything for granted. I'll finish stronger. He's

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Speaker 2: the last eighteen days and we're going to deliver a

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Speaker 2: win if the debates proved anything. No candidate has never

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Speaker 2: been more ill prepared, unqualified, or more desperate.

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Speaker 1: No I have. I've been really frankly surprised at Mikey

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Speaker 1: Cheryl because I you know, I did the TV show

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Speaker 1: in New Jersey for a long time. I talked to

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Speaker 1: you several times, but I talked to Mikey Cheryl and

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Speaker 1: I always kind of liked her. This is a different person.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what she's trying to do, but she's

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Speaker 1: just downright unlikable because she's doing something that she's being

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Speaker 1: old to do, and that's going the attack against you,

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Speaker 1: and I don't believe that's naturally her she's being something

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Speaker 1: that she's not, and you always lose when you try

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Speaker 1: to do that. I'm sure you've been surprised at her tactics.

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Speaker 2: I really have the extent of the lies, the consistency

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Speaker 2: of the lies, the recklessness. And then how about this now,

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Speaker 2: I can't remember if it was The New York Post

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Speaker 2: New York Times in forty yesterday that the very companies

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Speaker 2: that she's accusing me of being in bed with she

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Speaker 2: was taking money from. She took campaign contributions from the

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Speaker 2: very company she's accusing me of colluding with. So again,

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Speaker 2: this is recklessness, it's irresponsible, it's defamatory, and we'll be

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Speaker 2: filing suit.

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Speaker 1: Let's get to your lawsuit, because I'm sure that you're

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Speaker 1: drawing it up right now. What are you going to

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Speaker 1: say in that lawsuit? And what are you looking for?

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Speaker 2: That she tried to tarnish my reputation, my family name,

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Speaker 2: and she was reckless in the statements that she made.

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Speaker 2: She specifically said three times that I killed ten thousand people,

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Speaker 2: including children. Larry, I mean, you've been at this business

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Speaker 2: a long time. Have you ever heard anything on that?

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Speaker 2: Or We're not going to tolerate it. We're gonna file

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Speaker 2: our suit.

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Speaker 1: No, if I was on the news and I said

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Speaker 1: something like that, I'd be fired.

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Speaker 2: I'd blo.

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Speaker 1: It is so out of bounds to say something like that.

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Speaker 1: And I notice now when she talks about it, she's

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Speaker 1: backed off of that. I have you noticed that? Yep, Hey,

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Speaker 1: I have.

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Speaker 2: But you know what I think really happened, Larry, she cracked.

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Speaker 2: I mean the pressure of the world now knowing that

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Speaker 2: she was punished at the Naval Academy. She's built her

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Speaker 2: entire political brand around her attendance at the Naval Academy.

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Speaker 2: We know now that she was punished. She wasn't allowed

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Speaker 2: to walk in the graduation name was not listed. Commencement

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Speaker 2: exercise program has changed her tune three reasons three times

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Speaker 2: as to why. The fact that she broke federal law

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Speaker 2: on stock trades and stock reporting as a congresswoman, the

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Speaker 2: fact that she was trading defense stocks while sitting on

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Speaker 2: the House Armed Services Committee, and the fact that she

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Speaker 2: tripled her net worth. And I can't explain how who

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Speaker 2: wouldn't know if they made seven million dollars in six

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Speaker 2: years time?

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Speaker 1: You know, doing a midterm election, one of the things

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Speaker 1: that really wins or loses is enthusiasm or lack of

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Speaker 1: enthusiasm when you're out on the campaign trail. Have people

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Speaker 1: reacted to this? Are they as incensed as you are?

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Speaker 2: They're incensed about this. They look at the Marsha Kramer

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Speaker 2: interview on CBS where she couldn't answer the question what

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Speaker 2: do you do on day one? They look at the

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Speaker 2: Charlemagne interview where she couldn't answer how they tripled her

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Speaker 2: net worth? And they just feel that this is summing.

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Speaker 2: It's still prepared and unqualified for the job. But I

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Speaker 2: will tell you on my side, Larry, the energy has

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Speaker 2: been off the charts, and I'm sure you've noticed. I'm

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Speaker 2: even getting the endorsements of prominent Democrats around the state.

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Speaker 2: Not a single Republican has endorsed my opponent.

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Speaker 1: No, we've talked about you a lot, and we've talked

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Speaker 1: about that, and I want to know, because you happened

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Speaker 1: to say many many times. We've played sound of you

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Speaker 1: over and over again. I'm gonna do this on day one.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this on day one. I'm gonna do

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Speaker 1: this on day one. How many things are you going

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Speaker 1: to do on day one and how are you prioritizing them?

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Speaker 2: Well? Larry, I'm gonna do everything I possibly can on

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Speaker 2: day one. Here. The bad news is Phil Murphy's put

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Speaker 2: a lot of bad policy in place. The good news

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Speaker 2: is many of those policies were never codified by the legislature. Oh,

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Speaker 2: they can be reversed by executive order that includes the

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Speaker 2: Immigrant Trust Directive. So on day one, Executi Vater number one,

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Speaker 2: no town in our state will be the sanctuary city,

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Speaker 2: and we will not be a sanctuary state that encourages

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Speaker 2: illegal immigration and handcuffs our local police in different ways.

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Speaker 2: Let them do their job. Also, on day one, I'm

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Speaker 2: bringing everybody back to work. Try getting somebody on the phone.

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Speaker 2: Try getting your issue resolved. I think it's embarrassing for

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Speaker 2: New Jersey that you can welcome too a dm V

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Speaker 2: office in Florida today and walk out an hour later

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Speaker 2: with your real ID. Try getting your real ID in

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Speaker 2: New Jersey. They're giving you an appointment in January? Are

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Speaker 2: you kidding me?

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what. You just got Natalie's vote.

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Speaker 1: When you were talking about the last issue, she started cheering.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's a joke.

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Speaker 3: Last night I was trying to get an appointment. Oh

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Speaker 3: my goodness, January.

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Speaker 2: I find it embarrassing. This is what makes people lose

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Speaker 2: faith in government, hate government, and hate their taxes. When

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Speaker 2: you pay a premium for something and the quality sucks,

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Speaker 2: you hate it. And that's the case in New Jersey.

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Speaker 2: But Executive War to number three Larry, we're pulling out

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Speaker 2: of Reggie. That carbon tax policy has been a disaster

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Speaker 2: for New Jersey. I could save three hundred to five

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Speaker 2: hundred million dollars a year for Raye payers by pulling

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Speaker 2: out a Reggie. The Democratic governor of Pennsylvania is not in Reggie,

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Speaker 2: the regional greenhouse Gas Initiative. We shouldn't be either.

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Speaker 1: Jack Chittarell, a Republican candidate for New Jersey governor. Always

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Speaker 1: great to talk to you, Jack, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Good luck with the Lawsuess. Thank you guys, appreciate it.

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