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Yet I do not know what you're waiting for. 25 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 4: I will say this, it is impressive, you know, like 26 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 4: I hang Christmas lights up in my house and it's 27 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 4: it's me and it's maybe a step stool, and it's 28 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 4: not that big of a production. We have like an 29 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 4: entire crew here. There's ladders coming out, there's a big van, 30 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 4: there's stringing the lights out in the parking lot. Like 31 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 4: it is gonna be impressive here by the time they're 32 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,839 Speaker 4: done and so cold. You can have a holiday party, 33 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 4: a holiday happy hour, you know, the holiday season. One 34 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 4: might argue it's already here. I would combat that a 35 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 4: little bit, but it's certainly coming. You could do your 36 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 4: holiday party in one of these cabanas if the weather allows, 37 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 4: or you could just post up inside. You can get 38 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 4: a game of mini golf in, you can get dinner. 39 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 4: We've got an outdoor bar and indoor bar. You cannot 40 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 4: beat Oakley Greens. It's in Oakley, so keep that in 41 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 4: mind when you punch it in your GPS. Oakley Greens, 42 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 4: we thank them for having us awesome for watch parties. 43 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 4: You could have a Bengals free Sunday and watch all 44 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 4: the good teams play and see teams that when they 45 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 4: score forty points win the football game. Chances are pretty decisively. 46 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 4: Could watch all those games at Oakley Greens. You can 47 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 4: watch FC Cincinnati on Saturday in the playoffs against Columbus. 48 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 4: A great time will be head at Oakley Greens. A 49 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 4: great time has always had When our friend Paul Danner 50 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 4: Junior joins us. He is busy, he's on trade deadline, 51 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 4: Watchtheathletic dot Com, the Growler podcast. 52 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 5: You have a lot going on. I'm thrilled that you're here. 53 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm happy to be here. This is always one 54 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: of my favorite ones every year where I'm like, please 55 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: don't make me work during this. But I mean, but 56 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. In most years, i'm 57 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 1: just already under the assumption that the ship has sailed 58 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: and that and and I've kind of thought I would 59 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: feel that way today. But when things start happening like 60 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: they have today, you kind of throw all pretty conceived 61 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 1: notions out for a minute and say, Okay, the NFL 62 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: is doing crazy things. Yeah, so maybe a crazy thing 63 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: could happen, but I'm not counting on it right now. 64 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: But the NFL is a little unhinged at the moment. 65 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 5: Well, Logan Wilson has gone, yeah, that did happen. 66 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 4: He's been traded by the Cowboys to the or by 67 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 4: the Bengals to the Dallas Cowboys. So he goes from 68 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 4: one awful defense to another slightly less awful defense. Bengals 69 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 4: get a seventh round pick in exchange for Logan. The 70 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 4: barometer for any Bengals trade, or any Bengals maneuver where 71 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 4: they cut a player is whether or not on the 72 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 4: press release there's a quote from somebody and Logan got 73 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 4: a quote from Zach Taylor. 74 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: At what level did this come from? This wasn't gonna 75 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: be a Mike Brown. No, the Mike Brown is top 76 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: of the line. Uh yeah, you know, I'm still I'm not. 77 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: It's certainly not surprising when you consider his situation. It 78 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: is surprising when you consider the Bengals breaking from history. Again. 79 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: You know, we've never really seen them, you know, do 80 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: many in season trades, trades hardly at all. Then this year, 81 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: not only did they for the first time trade with 82 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: the Browns and go get the quarterback in Joe Flacco, 83 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: but now, for the first time ever, they trade away 84 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: someone who could help them this year that hadn't sort 85 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: of blown up their way out of town. I don't know, 86 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: however you view the trade request issued by Logan. I 87 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: didn't feel like it was anything. It's certainly in the 88 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: vicinity of Carlos Dumbmap or Carson Palmer, but I think 89 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: it's a recognition of this might be just an addition 90 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: by subtraction. And I don't mean that as Logan is 91 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: not a good player. It's look, they've chosen to go 92 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: down this road. We're going down this road with Barrett 93 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: Carter and Demetrius Knight. And I actually felt like Zach 94 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 1: Taylor essentially announced this trade at the press conference on 95 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 1: Monday when he went onto a long spiel about Sam 96 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: Hubbard and the analogy about Sam Hubbard not really feeling 97 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: able to put himself out there and really become a 98 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: leader early in his career because Carlos and Gino were 99 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: in the room with him, and who is he to 100 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: speak up? And even though he had a lot of 101 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: respect and people understood who he was and he worked 102 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: hard and he was everything they wanted to be about 103 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: going forward, he could read the room and see, that's 104 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: not my place to say anything. You gotta get those 105 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: guys out of there for the if you want the 106 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 1: young people to then grow up. And and I feel 107 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: like the benching was the beginning of this, and now 108 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: this trade is the finalization of this, of saying, we 109 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: just want these guys to be our future, and we 110 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: think leadership traits is part of that. And you know, 111 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: I talked to Barrett today and he said, you know, 112 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: to that idea, to that question, the idea of like, yeah, yeah, 113 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: I did feel like I need to read the room. 114 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: I you know that guy loves Logan Wilson, right, I 115 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: mean her, He professed that openly today. Is like it's 116 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: gonna be for life what he did for me, and 117 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 1: he was the first person to text him, and so 118 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: many things, A ton of respect you. I had so 119 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: much respect you. I'm not gonna step on that guy's toes. Yeah, 120 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: you you feel a little bit of a need to 121 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: go and now you can more fill that space. I 122 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: also thought he said the right thing with that of like, 123 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: but it starts with playing better, Like you have to 124 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 1: play better. And the truth is, no one's fotollowing anybody 125 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: that plays terribly anywhere. Okay, so until that starts, until 126 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: they start actually playing better, none of this other stuff matters. 127 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 1: But you know, maybe that if they're hoping that they'll 128 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: start playing better and then they'll feel a little bit 129 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: more open to let the other stuff start to show 130 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: a little more. 131 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,679 Speaker 4: Well, and if you could add a seventh round pick 132 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 4: obviously to the arsenal of selections the Bengals will have 133 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 4: next year, it's just it's just more damage they can 134 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 4: do in the draft. 135 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: It's something yeah, right, yeah, let's let's go down the 136 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: what's your favorite seventh round pick? 137 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 4: Right, let's go down not Kyle Manogi or right, I 138 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 4: mean a guy how do we say his name? Manangay, Manangay, 139 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 4: Thank you, Kyle Manangai. That that's my least favorite seventh 140 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 4: round pick of all the time. 141 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: Pretty good, yeah, pretty good. You know it can apparently 142 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: run for a lot of yards when they're there available 143 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: to them. 144 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 4: I could run for a lot of yards against this defense. 145 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 4: So we'll tap the brakes on that just a little bit. 146 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 4: But there's my least the round pick. Yeah, that's that's 147 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 4: that's fair. You were an oudentate guy at one point. 148 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 4: No I was not no, no I I was a T. J. 149 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 4: Hushman zaa guy he was a seventh round packs. 150 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: I think that's a lot of people's favorite seventh round paper. 151 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: So the deadline is forty nine minutes away. 152 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 4: By my calculation, you have done Tuesday with me for 153 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 4: eleven years. I think that's accurate. Yeah, it's eleven years, 154 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 4: So that's eleven trade deadline Tuesdays. Usually we barely mention it. Yeah, 155 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 4: I detect from you a little pensiveness, Yeah, a little 156 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 4: bit the deadline, like a little bit. 157 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 5: Maybe something could happen. 158 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: Maybe, I don't know, Like I just think the the 159 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: nature of today in the NFL keeps me a little 160 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: bit more on edge, in the fact that teams are 161 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: hunting and calling about Trey Hendrickson. 162 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 4: I had. 163 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: The Bengals have been pretty resolute. I've never gotten the 164 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: feeling during this and I've written it that they were 165 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: ever gonna do that. Yeah, but I think that's because 166 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: they knew their asking price would continue to be the 167 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: same number that no one has ever been willing to meet. 168 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: And so if the league is now doing things where 169 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: people are throwing around first round picks, then maybe maybe 170 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: that could you could see a desperation move come from somebody, 171 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: and we knew anybody that is close to this team 172 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: knows that that was the only thing that was gonna happen. 173 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: Here would be a desperation a desperation move where the 174 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: Bengals feel like they would be pretty big winners in 175 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: a deal. Because here's the thing, and I've said this 176 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: a million times and why this has never made sense 177 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: to me, and it would be the all it would 178 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: be the ultimate change is they're just not gonna wave 179 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: the white flag on the season, whether you think they 180 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: should or not. I just don't see a world where 181 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: right now they're gonna wave the white flag on this season. 182 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: Giving up Trey Hendrickson would be saying it's over, we quit, 183 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: we're not trying. That has never been their philosophy. That 184 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: has never been something they would ever allow or really 185 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: stand for. Yeah, the Logan Wilson thing is like, again 186 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: I talked about it, but it's like it's like a 187 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: tiny version of the tiniest version of that. That's a 188 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: small departure. B It's why they've never made in season 189 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: trades giving up someone who can help them because they're 190 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 1: just not gonna wave the white flag in any capacity. 191 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: So for that reason is why it's never really felt 192 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: like something was going to happen here because Trey Hendrickson 193 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: is the one guy that can actually make things look 194 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:29,079 Speaker 1: different on the defensive side of the ball. If Trey 195 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: plays in the second half the last four weeks, they 196 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: the last two weeks even they probably win both those games. 197 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: He's a closer. It's literally the one still they needed. Yes, 198 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: the one skill they made the last two weeks was 199 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: what he is, maybe as good at as anybody in football. 200 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: Has been here. He has closed out for years. Remember, 201 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: you know, Joe Burrow and quarterback, come on Trey, like, 202 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: you know what time it is. The last two weeks, 203 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: it's been Trey time, and he hasn't been out there. 204 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: And they don't have anybody who is remotely like him 205 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: or even you know, his New Orleans version of himself. 206 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: They don't have anything that looks like that. And so 207 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: the games have ended the way they have. I feel 208 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: like if they had a full Trey Hendrickson out there, 209 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: they would have finished both of those games off and 210 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: would be in a different place. They didn't. It doesn't matter. 211 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 1: But if you're talking about, like, how could the second 212 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,439 Speaker 1: half look different? I look at the on off splits 213 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: this year from Trey Hendrickson when he's on the field 214 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: this year and when he hasn't been. And really this 215 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: goes back because isn't just the shit, they're just massive. 216 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: They're two different, totally different defenses. And so when we 217 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: talk about all these historical futility in the second halves 218 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,559 Speaker 1: and games in a hole, but certainly in the second halves, 219 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: we've seen this over and over again. Trey Hendrickson with 220 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 1: zero second half snaps the last four weeks because he's 221 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: gotten hurt in the first half of the two games 222 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: he tried to play him. And you see the difference. 223 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:00,959 Speaker 1: You see what's happening, and they just don't have any 224 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: answers regardless. No one's saying they'd be great, no one's 225 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: saying they'd even be serviceable. But it could be enough 226 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: to win when you score forty two, right, and I 227 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: just don't see them saying we're gonna take that chance 228 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: off the table. That's that's what's felt like the biggest 229 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: driver for me in the conversation around him. Before the 230 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: last you know, forty. 231 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 4: Eight hours so we've seen Sauce Gardner get traded by 232 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 4: the Jets to the Colts. 233 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: Two first rounders involved. 234 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,319 Speaker 4: Is that move in particular, the one that is giving 235 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 4: you slight pause as it relates to what they may 236 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 4: do with Trey. 237 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think both jets. I mean the 238 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: Quinn Williams to Dallas, which I have a thought on 239 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: at some point if you want to hear it. Yeah, 240 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:49,839 Speaker 1: But like I think that that is the thing that Okay, 241 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: teams are out here. You know, there's right, it's the 242 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: it's the FM pick's mentality, starry with threads. I think 243 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: there's there's lots of the Jags, Like there's just teams 244 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: that are just so much more will to say, you 245 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: know what, let's go now. It feels accessible. The super 246 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: Bowl feels on the table for Seattle, for Indianapolis, for 247 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: Dallas at three five and one. You know they're sitting 248 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: here saying, let's go for it now. Sauce and Quinn 249 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: in The difference for them is they're under contract for 250 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: multiple years and Hendrickson is clearly a rental. But if 251 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: a team feels like they really want it that, I 252 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: think that gives you pause when you see the aggressiveness 253 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: level happening. It's a sense around the league that the 254 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: Super Bowl can be taken by a team that makes 255 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: the right move today. 256 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 4: Is Trey the only current Bengal that's on your radar 257 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 4: as it relates to a possible deal, Yeah. 258 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: I think so. I mean there are others that I mean, 259 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: there's really very few players I wouldn't I mean, I 260 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: wouldn't trade DJ Turner. No, and that might be it 261 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: on defense, right, like, oh, on defense? That is it? 262 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not The list is DJ Turner. The list 263 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 5: is DJ Turner. 264 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: I'm keeping Uh, that's and that's pretty much you know, 265 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: that's probably it I would listen to. I mean, you 266 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: would think maybe somebody like Osai or a bj Hill 267 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: would have some kind of if anybody was just looking 268 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: for depth or whatever. 269 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe, I mean McKinley Jackson, our teams beating down 270 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 4: the Bengals not. 271 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: Quite hadn't seen that yet. Look still still still poking around, 272 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: though there's still time. We got forty two minutes for 273 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: the the Jackson rush. 274 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,199 Speaker 5: Would then this might be a stupid question. 275 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 4: Would a Cam Taylor Britt or a Dax Hill illicit 276 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 4: interest from a team that's like, you know what, they're 277 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 4: still upside, we can fix them. 278 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Dax would. I think there's enough there 279 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: with Dax and and maybe maybe someone would look at 280 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: Cam and say, give me a shote. Maybe that's where 281 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: lou Ana Rumo's conversation started with Chris Ballard in Indianapolis. 282 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,199 Speaker 1: He's like, look, I don't know. If you can't get 283 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: me Cam, I guess okay, right, like I guess, will 284 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: you Google go that way? Maybe that's how that began. Yeah, 285 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: I think that there would be I don't know. I 286 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: don't think so. I mean, it's it's hard for how 287 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: does anybody watch the tape? 288 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 6: No? 289 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: You know, and it's like, I think that's gonna put 290 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: us over the top. No, there are none. 291 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 4: I mean, but I there are times where a move 292 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 4: is made involving a player where you're like, man, that 293 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 4: guy's no good, and the team that acquired to me go, okay, 294 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 4: they must have had a great grade on them, and 295 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 4: they think in a different system they can get more 296 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 4: out of them. And Cam, Taylor, brid and Dax Hill 297 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 4: struck me as players that someone may view through that lens. 298 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 4: But I certainly didn't wake up this morning think they're 299 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 4: gonna trade me one of those guys. 300 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: No, and you know, I mean, you know. The Cam 301 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: roller coaster is well documented I think they feel like 302 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: maybe they're on one of those good upswings with Cam today. 303 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 5: A lot of ball to go. 304 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, we know what comes up. It's like 305 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: when the chain's pulling you up the hill. It's not stopping. Okay, 306 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: it doesn't just keep going up into the clouds. We 307 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: know that we know what comes on the other side. 308 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: But I think that there's a feeling like, Okay, maybe 309 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: there's some stability with with dj and and Dax and 310 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: if they can start to get CAM back on the 311 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: right track at least for right now. But that's all. 312 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: That's kind of a separate story. Forty one minutes away 313 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: from the trade deadline. Oh, Ken, you need like a 314 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: clock sounder, a tick sounder. 315 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 4: In years past, I think we've had Tarren play some 316 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 4: sort of obnoxious you know, horn Blair or something that 317 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 4: we could we can get that, And no, you. 318 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: Don't want I'm not a horn Blair guy. 319 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 5: No, it has to get people's attention. 320 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: I just think a little clock, there's a little ticking, 321 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: that's all. 322 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 4: Do you want the ticking in the background for the 323 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 4: duration of the top of your I mean maybe going 324 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 4: maybe something in some of your buyers tear little teasers 325 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 4: that you do. 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No, 351 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: just no, I think Jay and I are are doing 352 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 1: live tonight at seven thirty, okay, and we're gonna do 353 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 1: trade deadline stuff and the normal PD and Jay. So 354 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: I can watch that on YouTube to catch up. And 355 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: now then I'm we're just gonna see where you and 356 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 1: I go tomorrow. That's why those are my favorite shows. 357 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: Those are my favorite shows with you and when when 358 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: we just sort of turn the mics on and and 359 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: just go with a discuss this. Let's see where this goes. 360 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 5: So it's Trade Deadline right four o'clock. 361 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. 362 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 4: With every passing minute, I see you looking more and 363 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 4: more relaxed. 364 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: I'm getting I'm getting there. I'm getting there. It's always 365 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: Nerve racking. 366 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 4: Who is making the decisions for the Bengals today in 367 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 4: the front office, it's Duke Tobin. Yes, who will be 368 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 4: making the Bengals decisions tomorrow. 369 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: Duke Tobin was making the Vegals decisions. Smile. 370 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 4: Mike Florio, Pro Football Talk says, quote, there's bubbling up 371 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 4: now the duke Tobin is going to be out, maybe 372 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 4: during the bye week, maybe sooner. 373 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,199 Speaker 5: Heads are gonna roll in Cincinnati. What do I do 374 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 5: with that? 375 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: Well, first, I didn't know it was Floria season already 376 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: that we had to go said, Yeah, he's like a 377 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: he he's like a winter guy comin. 378 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you need. 379 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: The first snowfall till it's Floria. It's a little early. 380 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 1: I will say, if there was one person on earth 381 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 1: that would not know this answer, it might be Mike Floria. 382 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: But I just you know, I don't think that he 383 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 1: has connections inside of the building that way. I I 384 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: do not look that we're in We're in the chaos 385 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: times right now. Okay, this is there's a lot going 386 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 1: on in terms of the team. Has we haven't seen 387 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: it be in this shape. You know, the last time 388 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: it was in this shape. The move was about Marvin 389 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: Lewis and they made the move, and you know, it 390 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 1: was sixteen years and so much of that and then 391 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 1: things were it was the good times. It was the 392 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 1: good old days after that, so we haven't really Duke 393 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 1: has never been in the crosshairs like this, and his 394 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 1: role has never really been challenged at any level like this. 395 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: In terms of that, I don't, you know, it just 396 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 1: feels that feels like an aggressive thing to say. First 397 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: of all, as soon as the bye week is literally 398 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: right now, So you're saying this person could be fired 399 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 1: anytime from today to the end of the earth. Okay, 400 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 1: as soon as right now he could be fired, and 401 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: then anytime after that. Right, I think that there's Yes, 402 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: he's under the microscope. You and I have talked about, 403 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 1: talked about this last week. Yes, So I don't like, 404 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: I don't want to have to keep doing this every week. 405 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,199 Speaker 1: I understand that we have to right now because of 406 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: you know what Mike said, But like I just feel like, yes, 407 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: there is more focus. Yes, I think there's more cracks 408 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: here than we've ever seen. But it's just would still 409 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 1: be so stunning. He's still part of everything they believe 410 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,199 Speaker 1: in as an organization and what he's been such a 411 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: central part of everything there. I think everything is on 412 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 1: the table right now because of the nature of we've 413 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: just never seen anything quite like this, and you've put 414 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,479 Speaker 1: it perfectly I've heard you talk about this multiple times 415 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: of look like, this is your job to fix this defense, 416 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 1: and it's just gotten so much worse. It feels so unrecoverable. 417 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: And it's all because of so many of these picks 418 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: are not panning out. And at what point and the 419 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: free agent things that have happened, Like, at what point 420 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: does all of this just pile up where it's just 421 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 1: for the betterment of everybody that you try doing something different. 422 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: I think the logical side of it is no one 423 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: is gonna contend with that. It's just the reality side 424 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: of what it actually happened. I'm not buying that just yet. 425 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: I'm just not. But you know that anybody can, anybody 426 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 1: can say that things are bubbling up, and no one 427 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 1: will care if they don't, no one will call back 428 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: to that. 429 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 4: I think there's bubbling up amongst US fans. It's bubbling 430 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 4: up that's undeniable. Yeah, there's a pretty sharp difference between 431 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 4: bubbling up here with idiots like me and bubbling up 432 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 4: among people who are in a decision making capacity at 433 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 4: pay Court Stadium. Yes, and there's no distinction in what 434 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 4: Mike is referring to, Like bubbling up is that in Cincinnati, 435 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 4: their mad Duke Tobin. 436 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, the main roll. Yeah, I don't. People aren't 437 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 1: just gonna come out of this thing unscathed, like obviously, 438 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: but who is that? I mean, there's there's levels to this, 439 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 1: as they say, I mean, and and I just think that's, uh, 440 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: that's a level that is I mean, it takes unprecedented 441 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: times and here we are, right, So so I'm not 442 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 1: I don't want to sit here and rule anything out, 443 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: but like it that doesn't it certainly didn't land or 444 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,199 Speaker 1: really register with me as something that I feel like 445 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: makes a whole lot of sense in this in this 446 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: exact way. 447 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 4: I have a few questions kind of related to this specifically, Okay, 448 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 4: but I do want to get a break and let 449 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 4: me let me ask you this though before we pause. 450 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 4: So last week we talked about it feels like this 451 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 4: is really the first time where Duke Tobin is in 452 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 4: the public's crossairs, and you said, you know, this is 453 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 4: the first time, and I'm paraphrasing here, this is the 454 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 4: first time where it's plausible that maybe they do something, 455 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 4: but still so unlikely that if they did it, it would 456 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 4: be shocking. Would you frame it the same way after Sunday. 457 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you can only take so many of those. Yeah, 458 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I still I still think that at at 459 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: the end of the day, you know, there is a 460 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: a patience and a need to see everything play itself out. 461 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: And maybe some people say it played out like we 462 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 1: saw it. You know, this is it. It's it's been, 463 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: it's played. But there's that's always that's always, even going 464 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 1: back to Marvin Lewis here, you know, I feel like 465 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: it's let's see the whole book. Mike in the family 466 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: are let's see the whole book before we judge it, 467 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 1: and let's not go in and so doing it now 468 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 1: before a lot of these young players that they're clearing 469 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 1: the decks for have a chance to show the level 470 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: of improvement they're looking for, would be again just crazy, 471 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: out of character. And maybe that's what they I mean, 472 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: there's a lot of arguments about that's what they need. 473 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: I think most people would make those right now, but 474 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: I'm trying to speak in the reality of how realistic 475 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: I think it is. It would be stunning and out 476 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: of characters still even to me, even after even after 477 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 1: what happens, it's got twenty seven minutes counting it down. 478 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 1: Where's the ticker? I'm listening. I don't hear it. Terren's 479 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: working on it. He's working on it. He's trying to 480 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: find that. They're trying to find the ticker anything on 481 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: this here internet. Well, yeah, you're right. I don't have 482 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 1: a joke. But terrens I'm sure he's working on it. Oh, yeah, 483 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:45,719 Speaker 1: he's got it. 484 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 4: Is twenty seven away from four o'clock and the trade deadline. 485 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 4: Paul Danner Junior from The Athletic and the Growler podcast 486 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 4: Live tonight at seven thirty with Jay Morrison. 487 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 1: There it is. Oh, look at that comings. I knew 488 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 1: you'd come through, Tarran, Yeah, I knew it. Man. If 489 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: that can happen, anything can. 490 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 4: Happen anything, literally anything. Possibilities are endless. 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Bengals have a 520 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,120 Speaker 4: bye this week. They're in Pittsburgh week from Sunday. Take 521 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,160 Speaker 4: on the Steelers on ESPN fifteen thirty. Former UC star 522 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 4: Sauce Gardner traded by the New York Jets to the 523 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 4: Indianapolis Colts, where he gets to be coached by lul Anarumo. 524 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 4: In exchange, indiescends to the Jets a pair of first 525 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 4: round picks. Kentucky Basketball tonight on ESPN fifteen thirty. Kentucky 526 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 4: Battling Nickel State pregame show at five thirty. Tip all 527 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 4: tonight at seven pm right here on ESPN fifteen thirty. 528 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: Who you think won the battle between Duke Tobin and Louannarumo. 529 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:26,400 Speaker 4: Mo Hemo, This team is seven to two. I know 530 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 4: he gets to coach Sauce Gardner. 531 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: I'm didn't have to. 532 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 5: Move very far. 533 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,400 Speaker 1: He just keeps getting great players thrown into his laugh. 534 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: He's on it. They keep winning. 535 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 5: They don't have to be great defensively. 536 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 4: They can do lou Anarumo ben but don't break, which 537 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:39,640 Speaker 4: statistically they do. 538 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 1: And then everything you want to happen. When you have 539 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: a blow up that leads to you leaving a job 540 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 1: or you get fired, you just want the other place 541 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: to be in shambos stress. That's all you want. You 542 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 1: just want your all your former co workers and friends. 543 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: You want them to be calling you being like, this 544 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: is a disaster. You just want to hear all the 545 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 1: horror story. And so I just you gotta feel like 546 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 1: he just like goes he collects his w cracks open 547 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 1: a cold on the couch. He's like, let's watch some 548 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 1: Bengals highlights, right like, and just sits up every Sunday night. Uh, 549 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: and then then waits for the call Chris Ballad to 550 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: tell them that they're giving him sauce Gardner. It's just 551 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: an embarrassment of riches for for lou over there right now. 552 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 4: A few more questions about Tobin, okay, and maybe what 553 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 4: it would look like if they did move on. We 554 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 4: haven't had a de facto general manager search. 555 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: What would that look like? I mean, well, I think 556 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: you probably in the meantime, you would probably have one 557 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: of the three agms would step in, right, You'd have 558 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: Trey Brown or Steve Orusivik or Mike Potts, they're they're 559 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: there right. Trey has has notably interviewed for GM jobs 560 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: across the league. He'd be familiar, Like if you were 561 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: doing something like that, you probably would would start there 562 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: and then open up. I don't know. I mean, we've 563 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: never and it's so this is the heart, it's so gray. 564 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: There's so much unknown onto what any of this would 565 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 1: look like. And truthfully too, like, you know, is Mike 566 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: gonna be like we need a new guy, like because 567 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 1: there's it's a unique situation there where they like Duke 568 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: for the fact that they it's a very tough relationship 569 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: to manage with him and the family and the football 570 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: aspect and what Mike still does and what he does 571 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: and his role and all. It's just all of it 572 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: is really hard to step into and have a feel for. 573 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: So I I don't know that anybody could sit here 574 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: and say they would know what that would actually look like, 575 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: you know, because we haven't ever really seen it. 576 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 4: When this possibility has come up, even when it has 577 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 4: seemed extraordinarily unrealistic, many have countered with who would want 578 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 4: that job? Is that a fair way to look at 579 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 4: it because of what you just outlined. 580 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think a lot of people would 581 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: do you want patients and job security? You know? I 582 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,719 Speaker 1: mean do you want? I mean they have when new 583 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: head coach like Zach Taylor is coming in, they have 584 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: given him rain to do a lot of things that 585 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: he wanted to do. They've been willing to make changes. 586 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: They have been a bit adaptable as an organization, specifically 587 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: comparison to previous times. 588 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 5: You have Joe Burrow like it's important. 589 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you have the hard stuff here in 590 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: place in a lot of ways, I don't think. And 591 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: the biggest problem that many gms in this league face 592 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: is feeling like they have to make moves for their 593 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: jobs and you don't have to do that here. You 594 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: can play the longer game the same way that Baltimore 595 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 1: and Pittsburgh do and and in the success that I 596 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: think that those two teams and the Bengals have had 597 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: in this division in comparison to like, you know, when 598 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: you see the the interchanging that happens with Cleveland or 599 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 1: a lot of other places that are unstable across the league. 600 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: Is part of what would make a job like that 601 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: one that people would want everybody. Everybody has a challenging 602 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 1: ownership situation in some way, Like there's only so many 603 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: openings that happen where it's like, oh, but the ownership 604 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: is just clean. It can be no issues there. You're 605 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: gonna that's that's that's the NFL man. You gotta you 606 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: got it the same way we used to talk about 607 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: this with Marvin Lewis and and and the job is 608 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: as much about managing up as it is managing down. 609 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: You have to be able to make all sides work 610 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: and get your vision across, like that's gonna be part 611 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 1: of that here, the same as it would be in 612 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 1: any market that has an NFL team in America. 613 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 4: One more on this and then I will ask about 614 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 4: other things. So Florio says heads will roll. You don't 615 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 4: disagree with that. So if Duke Tobin's head is not 616 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 4: the most likely to roll, whose. 617 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: Head will be rolling? Well, I mean we know Zach 618 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: Taylor is on the seat. You have to be in 619 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: some capacity. I mean we talked about this the moment 620 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: they let go of a Luannarumo, like you only get 621 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: to do this once. And so I think that's clear. 622 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: Even with all the things happening offensively that have been good. 623 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 1: You know, he's not gonna to me. We're at the 624 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: point where you're not judging him for that as much. 625 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 1: We've established that you can have good offenses, yes, and 626 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: you can do it apparently with multiple quarterbacks that both 627 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: times he's been given backup quarterbacks besides Joe Burrow. It's 628 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: been remarkable what they've been able to do offensively. What 629 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: they're doing right now is a masterclass. But the bottom 630 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 1: line is, and you know, I asked about this on 631 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 1: Monday specifically because of this is you know, what are 632 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: what are you gonna do to help the defense? And 633 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: the answer is that's not my specialty, Like I'm here 634 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: to help. And they're building the thing and things that 635 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: that that they find tough and challenging as an offense. 636 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: At a certain point, as the head coach that this 637 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: team has to fix their defense. They have the quarterback, 638 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 1: like you have the quarterback that can that can make 639 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: your offense go. You you need people that can figure 640 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: out what's going on defensively, and too often, uh, the 641 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: defense just hasn't been able to figure itself out in here. 642 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: And so if if that's the direction that you're gonna 643 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: look at things and say, Okay, let's pair a defensive 644 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: head coach with with Joe Burrow. Then maybe then maybe 645 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 1: that's you know, you could see that being a direction 646 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: that that you would want to go. That's worked before. 647 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: You're thinking Brady Belichick all that type of stuff, right, 648 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: and and you can maybe go forward some in that way. 649 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: But that's that's part of the conversation. That would be 650 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: the heads. I mean, this is what you're where you're 651 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 1: when you reach historical levels, when when every week is 652 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 1: a new set of five or six things, this league 653 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 1: has not seen triangles the sixty six New York Siety 654 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 1: six Giants. Jay had a stat with like the twenty 655 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 1: one like a team I'd never the Takawanda something's I 656 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,800 Speaker 1: was like, they didn't even have like a forward pass 657 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:34,399 Speaker 1: at that point, Like when you're when when these are 658 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 1: the comparisons where this is all we can find that 659 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 1: has ever looked like this. Yeah, like everybody of any 660 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,919 Speaker 1: importance in the building is under fire. There's there's no doubt. 661 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: And that doesn't mean that we know how it's gonna go, 662 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 1: but yeah, it's it's everybody. 663 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:55,280 Speaker 4: You wrote after the game about going into the locker 664 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,399 Speaker 4: room and not a lot of defensive guys wanted to talk. 665 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 4: Some did, and you pointed that out. You reference there 666 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 4: being laughter in certain corners of the locker room. How 667 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 4: sharp of a departure was that on Sunday from other 668 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 4: similar low points with that side of the ball or 669 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 4: even the other side of the ball since you've been 670 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 4: covering the team. 671 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 1: Uh, A decent amount. I mean, the the the lack 672 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:26,840 Speaker 1: of fire and the lack of seriousness that you felt 673 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 1: over there. They just the guy, the people that you 674 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: did see or hear from felt sounded beaten down and demoralized. 675 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: And then you had a lot of young players who 676 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 1: just didn't seem to think that they had any real 677 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 1: reason to care about certainly us not they not they 678 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 1: only anything that every time Like, no, this is not 679 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 1: about taking stock, right, But this is about that. It 680 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 1: is about comparing to what it looks like when teams 681 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 1: do pull out of it and not that right. So 682 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 1: my my thing is I felt like and I don't know, 683 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 1: like what with Chase Brown is kind of a separate 684 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 1: story that I I just I wanted to see where 685 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:11,280 Speaker 1: are the players not just Sunday, during this entire downfall 686 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 1: of this defense. That sound like Jamar Chase, that sound 687 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 1: like Chase Brown. I don't care if your emotion comes 688 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 1: out right or wrong. I want to see it. Yes, 689 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,359 Speaker 1: where is it where? That's what you usually get right 690 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 1: before it gets to the beaten down, demoralized portion of 691 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,760 Speaker 1: the program. You usually see the like dude who wants 692 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 1: everyone to know this ain't me and I hate that 693 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 1: this is where we're at and we got to get 694 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,280 Speaker 1: this and maybe they maybe, Man, these players only meetings 695 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 1: are just just tearing the paint off the wall. I don't, 696 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 1: you know whatever, I don't is there gonna be another one? 697 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,759 Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like you just keep having bye week. 698 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 1: It was one thing that I that I was looking 699 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: for when I walked in the locker room today and 700 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 1: you know exactly what it was, punk table, ping pong table. 701 00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 1: I said, no, it was nothing to change the ping 702 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,919 Speaker 1: pong table. Maybe next Okay, after the bye week, after 703 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 1: a week of retrospection, they came back and said, we 704 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 1: think we've got it. Ping pong table. Right, Maybe that's 705 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,719 Speaker 1: where they go next to it. I mean, but that's 706 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 1: my point is is I feel like you usually see 707 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 1: the blow up, the emotion, the like fire in the 708 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 1: form of some kind of weather. It's anger, even if 709 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,799 Speaker 1: it's misplaced, or like guys getting at each other a 710 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 1: little bit more like there just really hasn't been hardly 711 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 1: any of that over there. It's just felt like a 712 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 1: went wrong again. Yeah, we missed the tackles and we 713 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,439 Speaker 1: just got to keep working at it and we're gonna 714 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 1: get it right, and we're looking for leaders, and it's 715 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: just where's the fire? 716 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 6: Yeah? 717 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:46,640 Speaker 1: Where? Where? Where are seven guys on defense that sound 718 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,360 Speaker 1: and look like Jamar Chase and Chase Brown and some 719 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,400 Speaker 1: of the other people and and you know, it's just 720 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 1: it's not that that has to be the way out, 721 00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 1: Like there's you want to be smarter and more constructive 722 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 1: in the way that you deal with your problems, but 723 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,839 Speaker 1: it has to start with the true fire and want 724 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 1: to be better and feeling pushed and driven to just 725 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,879 Speaker 1: not accept any of what's happening on your watch as 726 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 1: a player, and that just where is that where is 727 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,839 Speaker 1: Like I'm not right, that just hasn't really existed yet 728 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 1: to this point. You want the defense to be as 729 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 1: angry as the offense seems to be. 730 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,240 Speaker 4: What I feel bad about, among a lot of things, 731 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 4: is because there's just so much stuff happening here. We 732 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,440 Speaker 4: don't have enough time to examine the difference between the 733 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 4: quarterback ball and the kicking ball. 734 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,760 Speaker 1: Oh I got to see them side by side too. Yeah, 735 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,479 Speaker 1: they're like they're from different sports. It's unbelievable, right, how 736 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 1: different they are. I never would have thought that they 737 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 1: really were that different. It looks like if you put 738 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,879 Speaker 1: a football next to a rugby ball or whatever. Yeah, 739 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,759 Speaker 1: I mean it's they're totally different. They feel different, they 740 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 1: are shaped different, they're the leather, all of it is 741 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 1: like totally rougher and different. Yeah, it's it's unbelievable. 742 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 5: But the Bengals hosted demonstration for you so they can 743 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:05,960 Speaker 5: make it. 744 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, they showed me. They showed me the two side 745 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:08,080 Speaker 1: by side. 746 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,880 Speaker 4: Why why White cut the long snapper, touch it and 747 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 4: go huh? Does the scoring play call a time out? 748 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:18,879 Speaker 4: Are you allowed to do that? I know they once 749 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 4: once the offenses on the field, they put the quarterback 750 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,560 Speaker 4: ball in the field, they're not gonna swap out the ball, 751 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:23,920 Speaker 4: but are you allowed to call it out the. 752 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 1: Discretion of the sideline referee? Weather Because they don't get this. 753 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,960 Speaker 1: They don't want to be caught being the ones when 754 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 1: the CA ball has to come in to have to 755 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,280 Speaker 1: toss it and want their like referee to be juggling 756 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,400 Speaker 1: it and unable to get it. So they make it 757 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 1: their discretion whether they have to restart the play clock 758 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 1: or not. And the last thing they want have to 759 00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,239 Speaker 1: do is restart a play clock apparently no matter what. 760 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,520 Speaker 1: So that includes like not running out there with the 761 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,319 Speaker 1: ball and handing it to them or anything like that. 762 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,759 Speaker 1: They just say, Nope, not gonna get the CA ball 763 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 1: in and they and they rule it off and you 764 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 1: have to go. You have to go play with it 765 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 1: and unless you unless you do stop the clock or whatever, 766 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:02,879 Speaker 1: and like, uh, this happened with this happened with Tennessee. Yeah, 767 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,040 Speaker 1: with this big part of Brian callihan situation. They took 768 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,120 Speaker 1: a delay and had to kick a sixty two yard 769 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 1: to get the other ball in there. They're so different now. 770 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,439 Speaker 1: The difference is way bigger this year than ever has been. 771 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,960 Speaker 1: But I'm like, okay, So the referees don't want to 772 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,160 Speaker 1: look dumb, so they make the kicker look dumb right 773 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,359 Speaker 1: insteady like, you know, way more the coach look dumb 774 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,279 Speaker 1: for having the offense on the field on fourth and 775 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,319 Speaker 1: thirteen and then oh you know what, maybe we want 776 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 1: to kick here and that that whole thing was a mess. Yeah, 777 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,400 Speaker 1: it was an absolute mess, right, but the bottom line 778 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 1: is like this should not be about this also should 779 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,359 Speaker 1: not be about restarting the play clock, like look, get 780 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,799 Speaker 1: the get the right ball is yes, you know, and 781 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,080 Speaker 1: then to me, can you just have can can will 782 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,480 Speaker 1: Wagner have the kick caball under his arm at all 783 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,319 Speaker 1: times and be able to go run out there and 784 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:46,240 Speaker 1: hand it to the official. 785 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,319 Speaker 4: He's that should the long you're on the field for 786 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,000 Speaker 4: this one play. You have the ball and if you 787 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,920 Speaker 4: can't bring the proper ball out then your team suffers 788 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 4: because of it. 789 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,879 Speaker 5: You will handle the CA ball. Yes, we solve this. 790 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 1: The job job by us. 791 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 4: Wait again, but we're like out of time, But you 792 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,960 Speaker 4: wanted to say something about that, Quinna Williamstrang. 793 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 1: That's what I would have done if I were the Bengals. Yeah, 794 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,279 Speaker 1: I would have traded Trey Hendrickson. Use the compensation you 795 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 1: get back from trading Trey Hendrickson to help fuel a 796 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,600 Speaker 1: deal for a real player who's going to be here 797 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,279 Speaker 1: for multiple years going forward, and help fix your pass 798 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,600 Speaker 1: rush right now and for essentially the same amount of 799 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,920 Speaker 1: money that you already have. Trey Hendrickson, Like, if you're 800 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,279 Speaker 1: paying him right now, it could help you know you 801 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,399 Speaker 1: you have that money available if you ever have done 802 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,719 Speaker 1: an extension with him at one point, can you be 803 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:38,160 Speaker 1: the de facto GM. I'll apply. We still come here 804 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:42,680 Speaker 1: on Tuesdays, I'll be I'll be so accessible. I'm gonna 805 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 1: be at the bye week. Then forget the bye weekend. 806 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,279 Speaker 1: After the season, every game, I'm here every Tuesday day 807 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,600 Speaker 1: from three to four. Yeah, that's it. It's it's GM Tuesdays. 808 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,719 Speaker 1: Your bosses will love GM. Yes, all right. 809 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 4: Tonight seven thirty special Live Growler podcast, Paul and Jay 810 00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,440 Speaker 4: talking about everything swirling around the team, the Logan Wilson trade, 811 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,320 Speaker 4: a trade that may come in the next six minutes. 812 00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,480 Speaker 1: Bubbling general, bubbling, general, bubbling. Yeah, we guys have any 813 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,520 Speaker 1: bubbling with you? We might, we might We need it 814 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,719 Speaker 1: this season at this point I've never needed needed bubbles 815 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,920 Speaker 1: in good by week for the bye weekn Yes, I 816 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:18,719 Speaker 1: have right now? All right? 817 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,600 Speaker 4: Check that out tonight seven thirty YouTube and where you 818 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,400 Speaker 4: get your podcasts and uh Repauldeathletic dot com. We're at 819 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,680 Speaker 4: Oakley Greens. Paul, thank you so much, pleasure. I'm here 820 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,160 Speaker 4: at all five thirty. We've got a lot of Bengal 821 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,480 Speaker 4: stuff to get to. FC Cincinnati is getting set for Saturday. 822 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,440 Speaker 4: Sasha question from MLS's a past. 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