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Speaker 3: They have tried to do some things to discourage tanking,

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Speaker 1: You know what. Here's the other thing is a couple

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Speaker 3: Well exactly now, the Utah owner would disagree with you.

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Speaker 1: How do you quantify slash proof tanking? The Jazz owner

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Speaker 1: Get that you literally don't rest your two best players

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Speaker 1: And obviously you can't be that frontal, but I don't

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Speaker 2: Your intent clearly.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's the same thing Casey, Dwayne Casey was the coach.

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Speaker 1: All right, So the way the NBA lottery works? Now,

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Speaker 1: the draft lottery. Here's how According to NBA dot com,

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Speaker 1: it's currently set up team number one. I assume that's

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Speaker 1: In the interim say okay, you're you're we we will

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Speaker 2: I'm starry. You don't want to lose it.

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Speaker 1: No, that's that's also true. All right, let's get to

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Speaker 1: a couple of a section items. Did you see this story, Guardsie,

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Speaker 1: this is a break. I think this broke earlier today.

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Speaker 1: We had the big news yesterday that your guy the

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Speaker 1: borders are Mister Holman had a presser in the morning,

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Speaker 1: big statement saying the Metro surge is over. I recommended

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Speaker 1: it to the president, and the President agreed, and we're

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Speaker 1: on our way out of Dodge. We're we did what

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Speaker 1: we wanted to do. We did what we came to do,

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Speaker 1: and we'll still be watching you. But it's not going

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Speaker 1: to be the same pretty big news. We'll see if

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Speaker 1: indeed there's evidence that it's gonna move, they're gonna move

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Speaker 1: that quickly, because that's what we've been led to believe.

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Speaker 2: But here's an update. Do you remember the shooting.

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Speaker 1: This was about a broom slash shovel attack that took place.

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Speaker 1: Fortunately in this case, there were no fatalities in the shooting,

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Speaker 1: but the men who were detained in fact, well, here

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Speaker 1: I'll just read you the one of the news items.

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Speaker 1: After detaining these men, generating national headlines about a broom

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Speaker 1: shovel attack, detaining one of the defendant's partners, and separating

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Speaker 1: them from the one year old son, the Trump administration

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Speaker 1: drops the charges, citing newly discovered evidence, newly discovered evidence.

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Speaker 1: Beyond that, there's now apparently a question about let me

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Speaker 1: see if I can find the other news item from

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Speaker 1: ICE director todd lyons the two officers involved in the

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Speaker 1: Jan fourteen chase slash shooting incident appeared to have lied

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Speaker 1: under oath and are being investigated by DOJ And of

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Speaker 1: course this comes after DHS Secretary Christy Nome defended them

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Speaker 1: as far hiring in self defense.

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Speaker 2: So that was one of the shootings.

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Speaker 1: This this was not the fatality one, but it got

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Speaker 1: a lot of attention at the time. And now even

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Speaker 1: the FEDS are dropping everything and and now suggesting that

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Speaker 1: the testimony that under oath that they got from a

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Speaker 1: couple of the individuals who a couple of the ICE

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Speaker 1: members has been very much called into question. That's what

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Speaker 1: we call in the business a follow up. The other

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Speaker 1: story I wanted to get to on the from the

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Speaker 1: A section today this is you could argue it's fairly timeless,

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Speaker 1: but then I keep putting it off, and I go, well,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to keep putting it off just because

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Speaker 1: it's timeless, because I do think it has some significance.

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Speaker 1: We've talked a lot over the over the administrations, several administrations,

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Speaker 1: on the subject of pardons, right presidential pardons, that it

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Speaker 1: has become a I guess you could say in a

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Speaker 1: reflex that presidents have exercised or used too recklessly in

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Speaker 1: a number of cases. You can go all the way

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Speaker 1: back to Bill Clinton's Midnight pardon of Mark Rich. We

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Speaker 1: talked about and criticized heavily some of the Biden pardons,

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Speaker 1: as you recall, including a late one is kid right,

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Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. It embarrassing, inexcusable, and makes no sense. But

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at an item from the Cato Institute, another

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Speaker 1: one of those hardcore left wing websites. Look it up

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Speaker 1: and they tell us, remind us of a story that

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Speaker 1: only confirms whatever we think of previous pardons, and many

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Speaker 1: of them are absolutely rippable. We're in a brave new

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Speaker 1: world that Trump's no pun intended pretty much anything that

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Speaker 1: has come before. For example, in the first year of

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Speaker 1: the second Trump administration, the president has issued you want

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Speaker 1: to take a guess, one hundred and sixty six individual pardons.

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Speaker 1: One hundred and sixty six already. This is the second

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Speaker 1: administration wow, as well, of course, as a mass pardon

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Speaker 1: that doesn't even count the mass pardon erasing the verdicts

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Speaker 1: of more than fifteen hundred jan six capital rioters. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so this is now they're doing the math for us.

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Speaker 1: Trump is now even if you put aside the collective

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Speaker 1: pardon of fifteen hundred, even if you don't include them,

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Speaker 1: Trump is now issuing pardons at eight times the rate

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Speaker 1: Biden did eight times. But as they point out, it's

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Speaker 1: not just the number, it's the types of pardons that

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Speaker 1: appear in their mind indefensible bar For example, Biden's pardons

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Speaker 1: eliminated roughly six hundred and eighty thousand dollars in financial penalties.

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Speaker 1: That's fines, restitution, and forfeitures o to victims or the government.

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Speaker 1: In contrast, Liz Oyer, the former lead pardon attorney of

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Speaker 1: the United States, has calculated that already, already Trump's second

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Speaker 1: term pardons have forgiven criminal debts of more than wait

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Speaker 1: for it, one point five billion dollars. One point five

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Speaker 1: billion dollars. This is money owed to crime victims and

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Speaker 1: to government treasuries. Now it's zero from one point five.

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Speaker 1: Ex criminals like Trevor Milton, who no longer must repay

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Speaker 1: the investors he defrauded six hundred and sixty million, Lawrence Durham. Durham,

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Speaker 1: I should say, or Duran who no longer must repay

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Speaker 1: the government he defrauded eighty seven million dollars. Then there

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Speaker 1: was the HDR Global Trading Limited, owed the nation one

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Speaker 1: hundred million dollar fine in this case, Trump also made

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Speaker 1: history by granting the nation's very first pardon wait for it,

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Speaker 1: to a corporation, not to a person, but to an

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Speaker 1: entire corporation. How about the pardoning of disgraced politicians, including

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Speaker 1: former Honduran President Juan Orlando Hernandez, who, if you'll recall,

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Speaker 1: orchestrated a spree of state sponsored drug trafficking.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, drug trafficking.

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Speaker 1: I thought we were blowing people out of the water

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Speaker 1: in the boats about the drug trafficking because it was

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Speaker 1: a national emergency. Well, in this case, forty five years

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Speaker 1: prison term. But that's been he's been pardoned by the president.

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Speaker 1: One Orlando Hernandez. Nevada legislator Michelle Fiori, who embezzled seventy

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars out of a police memorial fund for personal

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Speaker 1: expenses like rent and plastic surgery.

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Speaker 2: I should have been playing this every time, that's true.

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Speaker 1: Virginia Sheriff Scott Jenkins, who handed out badges to untrained

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Speaker 1: businessmen in exchange for seventy five thousand dollars in bribes.

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Speaker 1: And Tennessee House Speaker Glenn Cassada, who defrauded state government

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Speaker 1: with a fake paye kickback scheme. Perhaps, well, that's a

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Speaker 1: parenthetical as not worth getting into. Third, Trump's pardons were

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Speaker 1: getting to undermine the contemporaneous work of wait for it,

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Speaker 1: his own Department of Justice. Alina Habba, Trump's own US

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Speaker 1: attorney in New Jersey, announced Joseph Schwartz's three year sentence

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Speaker 1: for thirty eight million dollars in tax fraud in April.

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Speaker 1: Trump pardoned him seven months later. Real estate developer Timothy Lwicki,

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Speaker 1: there's the name that's familiar to ye, the Timberwols fans,

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Speaker 1: that's right, was charged earlier this year with conspiring to

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Speaker 1: rig the bidding process for a Texas sports arena. Trump

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Speaker 1: pardoned him in December. These are folks from his own

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Speaker 1: offices whose work was almost immediately nullified because they just

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Speaker 1: get him out of there.

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Speaker 2: How about number four, the self corruption thread the order?

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Speaker 1: For instance, the vetting procedures of the office of the

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Speaker 1: Pardon Attorney have often been sidestepped. Formality in pardon deliberation

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Speaker 1: is desirable because it immunizes the president from the appearance

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Speaker 1: of pay to play. The absence of such formality makes

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Speaker 1: it plausible that a multitude of recent pardons are transactional. Example,

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Speaker 1: Trump pardoned Paul Waalsack, who evaded millions of dollars in taxes,

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Speaker 1: after Waalsack's mother raised millions of dollars for mega candidates

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Speaker 1: and paid a million dollars to dine with the president

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Speaker 1: at mar A Lago. Trevor Milton, the securities fraudster mentioned above,

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Speaker 1: donated one point eight million dollars to Trump's campaign before

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Speaker 1: a presidential pardon wiped out all six hundred and sixty

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Speaker 1: million dollars of his restitution obligations. Before Trump pardoned Chang

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Speaker 1: Peng Zhao, who headed the cryptocurrency exchange Binance while it

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Speaker 1: fostered more than one point five million illegal virtual trades,

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Speaker 1: as well as prohibit transactions to Al Qaeda, ISIS and Hamas.

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Speaker 1: Zhu had brokeered a two million dollar investment in Eric

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Speaker 1: and Donald Trump Junior's cryptocurrency business.

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Speaker 2: Called the World Liberty Financial.

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Speaker 1: When asked about Zoo in a subsequent sixty minutes interview,

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Speaker 1: you may recall we talked about it, Trump said, I

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Speaker 1: got no idea who he is. I was told that

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Speaker 1: he was a victim, just like I was, and just

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Speaker 1: like many other people of a vicious, horrible group of

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Speaker 1: people in the Biden administration. Another Trump pardon recently immunized

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Speaker 1: your guy, Texas Congressman Henry Quahar, a Democrat, and his wife,

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Speaker 1: from prosecution for a sept of bribes. Trump evidently hoped

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Speaker 1: Quaar would return the favor by switching parties to the GOP.

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Speaker 1: When that didn't happen, the President released the following angry

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Speaker 1: statement on true Social social Quaar for quote such a

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Speaker 1: lack of loyalty, something that Texas voters and Henry's daughters

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Speaker 1: will not like. Oh well next time, no more, mister

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Speaker 1: nice guy. Can you make this stuff up? I don't

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Speaker 1: think that you can't. Here's one of my other favorites.

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Speaker 1: Oh this is the other thing.

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Speaker 2: He can't.

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Speaker 1: When it comes to state level convictions. He can't eliminate those.

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Speaker 1: So here's what he's done. In one case, he can't

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Speaker 1: pardon Election Fell and Tina Peters for state crimes.

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Speaker 2: So here's what he's doing.

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Speaker 1: He's putting the squeeze on Colorado, the state in which

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Speaker 1: those convictions that conviction took place, moving space command, canceling

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Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars in grants, and vetoing a clean

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Speaker 1: water pipeline other than that house.

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Speaker 2: The play this is draining the swamp.

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Speaker 1: I know that was from that's a first time that

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Speaker 1: the first term, yep, and maybe there was not even

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Speaker 1: gonna be be any pretense to that.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty incredible.

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Speaker 1: But that's a pretty remarkable list, I would say, a

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Speaker 1: pretty remarkable list. Brats on Brian Kfey in text line

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Speaker 1: is open at six for six eight six Have we

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Speaker 1: seen there? Have there been any Has there been any

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Speaker 1: local reporting from the reporters we trust on whether they

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Speaker 1: have already seen significant change in the streets when it

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Speaker 1: comes to the ice approach less visibility? Do we know

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Speaker 1: because I'm assuming there's going to be good reporting on that,

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Speaker 1: attempting to vet to find out whether what we thought

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Speaker 1: we had had coming was going to be headed our way,

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Speaker 1: all the changes that Holman said was coming here in days.

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Speaker 1: Right now, I don't even know he said days. I

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Speaker 1: think the governor said days. That was what he made

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Speaker 1: it sound like. As of now, we're pulling out where

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Speaker 1: we're we're pulling out a dodge, is what I recall

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Speaker 1: him saying. Any sense of that from the reporters that

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Speaker 1: we trust.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I haven't really seen much, honestly, A little

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Speaker 3: early yeah, I would think it's more so like, what's

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Speaker 3: the best way to say this?

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Speaker 2: I don't even know. Yeah, I don't even know.

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Speaker 3: There's just there's not there's not a ton from the

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Speaker 3: streets here recently anyway, you know what I mean? Right there?

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Speaker 3: There haven't been a ton in the last week or

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Speaker 3: so of story that I've seen, or it's just not

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Speaker 3: been as well covered.

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Speaker 2: That's what I mean. Yeah, that's what. Yeah, So that's

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Speaker 2: the question.

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Speaker 1: Is it that there's less going on or that there's

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Speaker 1: less being covered? I don't really know. I do want

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Speaker 1: to remind you that it's a talker Tuesday, on a

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Speaker 1: Friday here on the afternoon, Ardvark Lavelle is scheduled to

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Speaker 1: join us at is He confirmed for usual time five.

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Speaker 1: Did he have anything particular you wanted to talk about today?

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Speaker 1: When I asked him about five thirty, he says sure,

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Speaker 1: and then I call him at five. That's probably is smart.

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Speaker 3: We kind of keep it minimal. It keeps it more

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Speaker 3: wide open that way. Sometimes he butt dials me in between. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it just kind of depends.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's.

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Speaker 1: The text are coming in. It's not surprising. Can I

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Speaker 1: ask I need to ask the I guess this would

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Speaker 1: be the uh the sharks in our audience. Do you

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Speaker 1: have anything else you can go with beyond TDS? Do

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Speaker 1: you ever try to get beyond? I mean, we I

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Speaker 1: get how convenient it is. Here's how I dismiss any criticism.

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Speaker 1: Here's how I don't have to consider any of the

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Speaker 1: facts that I've just laid out.

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Speaker 3: These aren't interpretations, these are facts. Google Cato Institute too.

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Speaker 3: Like you said, Yeah, that's what's so ironic about it.

651
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Speaker 3: If your game is the only comeback you have is

652
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Speaker 3: TDS Trump arrangement syndrome, what you're signaling to me is

653
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Speaker 3: you do not really know how to combat the accusations,

654
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Speaker 3: so it's more convenient. Rather than considering the possibility that

655
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Speaker 3: your guy is very vulnerable in these areas, and it's

656
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 3: been proven over and over again, you just.

657
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Speaker 2: Get out it.

658
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Speaker 1: What are you gonna do A Why should try to

659
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: listen to any of this. I'm just telling you that

660
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Speaker 1: I know it's quick. You get it in and out

661
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: on the text. You don't even have to spell the

662
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: word out. You just go TDS. But it's not very

663
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Speaker 1: convincing because rarely, if ever, is it followed by any

664
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Speaker 1: sort of counter to what these accusations are and again,

665
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Speaker 1: as you say, check out Cato, now, it'll be dismissed

666
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: there because the right it's.

667
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Speaker 2: A Royinos site. What's a Royinos So there's.

668
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Speaker 1: Always a shorthand that can talk yourself out of actually

669
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Speaker 1: facing this crap and looking at in the mirror rather

670
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Speaker 1: than running from it on the basis of what about

671
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Speaker 1: those other administrations? Well, I started this segment by saying

672
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Speaker 1: the Biden pardons were disgusting, we savaged them.

673
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Speaker 2: Early and often.

674
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Speaker 1: However, it's all about proportion and what Cato's pointing out,

675
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Speaker 1: because they're not they're certainly acknowledging some of those other

676
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Speaker 1: bad pardons, but they're saying that this is pardoning on

677
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Speaker 1: another level that.

678
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Speaker 2: We've not seen before.

679
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Speaker 1: So both things can be absolutely true and they are.

680
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Speaker 1: So's you can, if it makes you feel better to

681
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Speaker 1: just go with the TDS.

682
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Speaker 2: Go for it.

683
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: It's free, I haven't blocked you. Go ahead, go for it.

684
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: But it doesn't come off convincing. It comes off as

685
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Speaker 1: I don't know what else to say. So I'll do

686
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Speaker 1: it in a way where I don't even have to

687
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Speaker 1: consider the possibility of this might be true.

688
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Speaker 2: I'll dismiss it out of hand.

689
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Speaker 1: Because TDS, that's the explanation for all of it, all

690
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Speaker 1: of these things that continue to happen, even though a

691
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Speaker 1: number of Republicans have also continually asked some questions as

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Speaker 1: as well.

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Speaker 2: All right, we got top five at five, we do

694
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Speaker 2: what do? We got?

695
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 3: Plenty on the Olympics, a college football playoff proposal for you,

696
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Speaker 3: and a big, massive, maybe not really retirement in the

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Speaker 3: National Basketball Association