1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be off to the Combine next week, looking 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: forward to to hanging out. We'll hear from Sean Payton, 3 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: kind of a later start than usual. Sean Payton, George Peyton. 4 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: They're gonna talk on Tuesday at five o'clock in the time, 5 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:16,319 Speaker 1: which is actually three o'clock here, so we'll be like 6 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: opening the show on Tuesday with them, and then we're 7 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: gonna have an exclusive interview with George, which is always 8 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: a cool deal out there. Shelby and I we were 9 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: speculating on Sean in the Davis Web conversation because he's 10 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: gonna be asked, oh yeah, who's gonna be the play caller? 11 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 2: And you'll see what we're gonna So we're gonna take it. 12 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 2: He doesn't know yet. I don't you know what I mean. 13 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 2: He doesn't know, and I don't think he wants okay. 14 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: So we speculated that he does know, he's just gonna 15 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: dance around it. Well, I'm sure they had the conversation. 16 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure it's part of it with Davis, 17 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 2: but like, why would you just hem that over guy 18 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 2: who hasn't never done it and he's thirty one, dude, 19 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 2: Shelby's three years older. Hell are you three years older 20 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 2: than the new offensive coordinator for the Broncos? Right, So, 21 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 2: so it's kind of dangerous to just hand it over, 22 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 2: especially a guy like Sean Payton who's been doing this 23 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 2: for so long and he has such a fortified reputation 24 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 2: as an offensive killer, and all of a sudden, you're 25 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 2: just gonna hand it to a thirty one year old 26 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 2: kid and be like, nah, you do it, man, I 27 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 2: don't know. 28 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: I was thinking about Davis web if and when he 29 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: doesn't get the opportunity to be the play caller. But 30 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 1: for a moment, let's just pretend internally they've already decided 31 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 1: Davis is gonna be the play caller. From like a 32 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: defensive perspective, what are you studying when it comes to 33 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: this offense? 34 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 2: Do you study? 35 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: Let's just say that the play caller, the sequencer is 36 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: different than the designer, because seawn' is the designer before. 37 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 3: Okay, so what are you what are you preparing for? 38 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 4: What? 39 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 2: What's the fingerprint of that offense you're talking about? 40 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 4: If there's no games played, you just have to try 41 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 4: to for now, there's really not much to go off 42 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 4: because obviously you're used to Sean pay be the one 43 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 4: that's you know, designing his own plays and then calling it. 44 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 4: So if there's a way that you know, either Davids 45 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 4: Webb is designed and play Sean calls it, or the 46 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 4: other ways, you know, vice versa vices I'm not but 47 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 4: go ahead, you know it makes it that And we 48 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 4: dealt with this in in Cleveland where ste Fancy wasn't 49 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,679 Speaker 4: the one making the plays, but he was the one 50 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 4: calling the place. And I think the issue that could 51 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 4: arise is that you know, the play call and the 52 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 4: one that actually made the plays could have a specific 53 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 4: you know, design and the way he wants it running 54 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 4: in the game. But like, obviously you don't have that 55 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 4: if you're the play caller and didn't design the plays. 56 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 4: There's an issue that I believe that it can be 57 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 4: a disconnect. Also when you when you have one guy 58 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 4: designing the places one guy is calling the plays. I 59 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 4: think it could be a huge disconnect because it's just 60 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 4: harder if you didn't come up with a plan to 61 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 4: just hop right in and be like, this is the 62 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 4: game I'm supposed to call, even though obviously that he's 63 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 4: going to be involved in the play call. And I 64 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 4: think it just makes things a little bit more difficult. 65 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: Did you see conflict like that when you were because 66 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,239 Speaker 1: you know, but because they worked well together. 67 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 2: Sure, and so it's going to be imperative that these 68 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 2: guys work well together. It can't be Sean Payton designing 69 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 2: the plays up in his room by himself and then 70 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 2: handing the book to Davis and be like, Okay, you 71 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 2: go install it and you call the plays. They got 72 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 2: to be working on this together now. I don't think 73 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 2: much of the playbook is going to change from last 74 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 2: year to this coming year, because that's vertigo on the players. 75 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 2: These guys want to these offensive players want to come 76 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 2: in and hit the ground running. Davis Web's not going 77 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 2: to teach him a whole new offense. It's not going 78 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 2: to be new language, new concepts, new design. It's the 79 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 2: same language. I would imagine Davis Webb is speaking Sean 80 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 2: Payton's football language, learning that offense and then and then 81 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,839 Speaker 2: you know, turning it into something that's more like him. 82 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 2: But these guys have to work together to do that 83 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 2: and so that they both have their fingerprints on it. 84 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 2: That's the way I would look at it. 85 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: Okay, So actually this is a question I haven't even 86 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: even considered until you brought that up. 87 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 3: Why make the change in the first place. If Seawn's 88 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 3: just going to. 89 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: Keep calling plays, why are we changing well, maybe why 90 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: are we changing offensive coordinators if it's just going to 91 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: be the same old, same old da Because. 92 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 4: Technically, when your head coach is an offensive or defensive coach, 93 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 4: we saw with Vic Fangio and ed Donna Tell was 94 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 4: a defensive coordinator. You know what I mean, It's it's 95 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 4: just a promotion of a title. It's just like when 96 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 4: you're at work and they give you a promotional title 97 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 4: with no pay you know, pay raise. But in this case, 98 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 4: either pay raise or promotional title. But there's really not 99 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 4: that many differences when regarding if it's Sean decides to 100 00:04:55,720 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 4: actually call plays, then yeah, it's just a glorified position coach. 101 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 2: At that point, you're also changing the voice that the 102 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 2: players are hearing, because you know, when I'm an offensive player, 103 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 2: I'm sitting those meeting rooms, the voice I'm hearing the 104 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:13,679 Speaker 2: most is the offensive coordinator installing the plays every week 105 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 2: and every day we have new installations. 106 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 4: Is that how it is when the head coach is 107 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 4: the play caller. 108 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 2: That's no Well, the play call. So so, Mike Shanahan 109 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 2: was obviously part of the offensive strategy putting playbook together, 110 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 2: but he would never install the plays with us. He 111 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 2: was up in his office. He would address us at 112 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 2: the beginning of every day, here's you know, team meeting, 113 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 2: Here's what we got to do today. Let's go get 114 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 2: it done. He would he would leave. 115 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 4: Installed the plays, us ran the defensive meeting, did it all? 116 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 2: And tis the head coach, riste the head coach. 117 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 4: Vick was really running the defensive meeting like he really 118 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 4: never spent any. 119 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 2: Time with the office. What is he doing? What is that? 120 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 4: Okay? 121 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 2: What a huge uh? A huge criticism of Vic during 122 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 2: that time as as a head coach was that he 123 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 2: only cared about the defense. Is that he wasn't the CEO. 124 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 2: Is that he wasn't he wasn't watching the offense because 125 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 2: what should have been doing is sitting up. I'm not 126 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 2: saying what he should have been doing, But but what 127 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 2: Mike would do is sit up in his office and 128 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 2: he could click click into any meeting he wanted and 129 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 2: watch the way his coaches are installing the complete vision 130 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 2: right and so so Vic was so focused on defense 131 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 2: that maybe you know things got missed on offense. I 132 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 2: don't know, but I know the offenses weren't great during 133 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 2: that time. 134 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 1: So so Mike's up there like clicking into different rooms 135 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: to see what you can do that. 136 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 2: I mean each room, each room has is miked up 137 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 2: and has cameras, and so Mike can sit up in 138 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 2: his office and click around and see how his coaches 139 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 2: are coaching. 140 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 3: It's a little voyeuristic, isn't it. 141 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 4: Part of the job. 142 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 2: That's part of how it goes in the NFL. 143 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 4: For because if anything was to happen, everything you're doing 144 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 4: inside the football facility is filmed unless you go pet 145 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 4: everything like literally, like I've. 146 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 2: Heard shower cameras. I've heard we had a shower coach. 147 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 2: He's like you all that shrubbing. 148 00:06:56,200 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: Wow, listen, but you guys, you guys would championships. I mean, 149 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: he won championships. So you know we we. 150 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 3: Now look back on that and say, well, that's kind 151 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 3: of messed up, but winning. 152 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 2: Now, we didn't have a shower coach, but you have 153 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 2: a coach for almost everything else. And you know, the 154 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 2: eye in the sky is everywhere right and and and. 155 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 4: Every where except for the shower in the locker. 156 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 2: Room and my shit, ahand brought that from San Francisco. 157 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:27,239 Speaker 2: That was Bill Walsh's think. He videotaped every single meeting 158 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 2: and so if you missed a meeting, you could go 159 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,239 Speaker 2: back and see the meeting, or if you're a new coach, 160 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,679 Speaker 2: he can say this is how we install this stuff. Right, So, 161 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 2: to go back with Sean Payton and Joe Lombardi, why 162 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 2: did why did Joe Lombardi get fired? Why is it 163 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 2: so part of me? 164 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 4: You know? 165 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 2: I don't know the answer to that, because right, so 166 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 2: is Joe Lombardi the one who's standing up in front 167 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 2: of his offense for two to three hours every day 168 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 2: installing the plays. If he was and the offense wasn't 169 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 2: very good, we need a new voice in there, Okay, 170 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 2: we need someone else explaining the plays to you, and 171 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 2: that would logic right on why you do it. Davis 172 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 2: is more intelligent and he connects with the players better, 173 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 2: So we want him in front of you guys all 174 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 2: day teaching you what the plays are. Not just teaching bo, 175 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 2: but teaching the whole offense because of his bright offensive 176 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 2: football mind. Meanwhile, Sean Payton's still sitting up in his 177 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 2: office doing whatever Sean Payton does in his office, well. 178 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: I should grow up a good point too, Like Davis 179 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: had a lot of interest around the league, So maybe 180 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: there was a little bit of understanding internally, whether it's 181 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: the coach or it's ownership, whoever is saying, well, we're 182 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: gonna lose Davis Webb and we think this guy's a 183 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:34,599 Speaker 1: bright young mind. 184 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 3: We don't really want to do that. 185 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 4: Well, what does that matter as you have Sean Payton 186 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 4: as your head coach? Well, and I guess unless you're 187 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 4: saying that there's a situation where you see Davis Webb 188 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 4: replacing Sean Payton after Sean retires, like you know what 189 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 4: I mean, Like if Sean says he's done in a 190 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 4: couple of years. But once again, what does that really 191 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 4: do for the Broncos. I get it, like you to say, 192 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 4: all right, he's off, but then he's just going to 193 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 4: leave for a for a head coaching job from somewhere. 194 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 2: Unless unless they promote him to head coach here and 195 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 2: they and they part ways with the guy who's the 196 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 2: head coach here now that he was brought here to 197 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 2: win a Super Bowl, coach Peyton, he's got a couple 198 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 2: of years to fulfill that probably too. If he doesn't 199 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 2: do it in the next two there will be calls 200 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 2: to make a change. 201 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 4: And that's the tough part about being successful in the 202 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 4: first couple of years where you weren't supposed to be 203 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 4: because now that timeline is sped up. Now we need 204 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 4: that super Bowl now. Like you know before, when you 205 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 4: know you had the dead cap from Russ, there was 206 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 4: an idea they might take a couple of years, but 207 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 4: then you went to the playoffs and then it's like, 208 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 4: all right, you know, I see I see the I 209 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 4: see the vision. Then the next year you go to 210 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:51,559 Speaker 4: the ASC Championship game, all all that waiting for stuff 211 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 4: is over. They want these results now because obviously you 212 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 4: have the team that you know, this is how everyone's 213 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 4: gona feel. You have the team to compete because you've 214 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 4: already made EFCY Championship. Now it's time to make the 215 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 4: next step and go to the Super Bowl. 216 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: Okay, well, I don't want to turn this into a 217 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: hot take radio segment, but are you trying to say 218 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: that Sean Payton's under pressure this next year? 219 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 4: No, I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is that 220 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 4: he's here to do a job, and they expect him 221 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 4: to build on last year, especially now that all that 222 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 4: dead money's gone. Now we can actually use our whole cap. 223 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 4: We'll have a full team. There's no excuses. I'm not 224 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 4: saying this year is a proven year, but I'm just 225 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 4: saying there's definitely going to be some pressure on the 226 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 4: Broncos and on Sean Payton to be successful and make 227 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 4: it farther than they did last year. 228 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 2: Immense pressure on Sean Payton going into this. 229 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 3: I mean to make it farther. That's there's really only 230 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 3: one way. 231 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Well, it shows you how we recalibrate our 232 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 2: expectations based on what you've done lately. The Broncos went 233 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 2: fourteen and three, had a home AFC Championship game and 234 00:10:56,520 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 2: everyone was super pissed after the game and Sean Payton 235 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 2: had to eat it for the fourth and one decision 236 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 2: instead of rejoicing at the incredible season and all. You know, 237 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 2: all the expectations that were defined by the Broncos doing that, Well, no, 238 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 2: it's we got to be better. 239 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 3: We left it out there. We should be in the 240 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 3: super Bowl, right, So I just. 241 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 2: Think the expectations get higher and hire every time, like 242 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 2: Shelby said, every time you perform at a high level, 243 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 2: people expect you to do that and then some. And 244 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 2: Sean Payton was brought here for one reason to win 245 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 2: a Super Bowl. He knows that. Everybody knows that. And 246 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 2: right now they have this window that's open and bo 247 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 2: Nick's on a rookie contract and a lot of money 248 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 2: to play with. 249 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,839 Speaker 4: Ding ding ding ding. Bow Knicks on a rookie contract, 250 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 4: like we like, do you have the money to go 251 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 4: spend on every other position? And as you see it, 252 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 4: the whole ole line has a contract, yeah, which I've 253 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 4: never seen that before. Have you ever seen anything like that? 254 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 4: The whole O line is on a ten plus million 255 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 4: dollars a year. 256 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: I've seen the opposite of the contract with Cleveland, Yeah, 257 00:11:57,840 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: who has no offensive line. 258 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 4: But every line than we had actually played was on 259 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 4: a ten million dollar plus contract. 260 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 2: Fairpoint. 261 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 4: So the issue, you know, the biggest issue, I guess 262 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 4: is once the bow Knicks does get that the next deal, 263 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 4: which will be well deserved, you're going to have to 264 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 4: cut key pieces of this team, of key salary pieces. 265 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 4: You're going to have to fix, you know, figure out 266 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 4: a way to make the O line cheaper. The d 267 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 4: line cheaper, it's it's pandemonium after that. So their best shot, 268 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 4: and I feel like everybody feels that everybody knows it 269 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 4: their best shot. They got to do it in the 270 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 4: next two years. 271 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: You know, I guess what whether this was sort of 272 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: dictated by ownership or otherwise. You get to the end 273 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: of the season, you say, well, we're fourteenth in points 274 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 1: per game. Again, you're talking about offensive genius mastermind who 275 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: has an edict that you got to win championships as 276 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: we brought you in here. Fourteenth and points per game sixteenth, 277 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: and rushing eleventh and passing and by the way, you're 278 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 1: throwing it more than anybody else in the league, and 279 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,839 Speaker 1: you're eleventh passing yards per game, you're eleventh and third 280 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: down and thirteenth in red zone. Sounds like a pretty 281 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: middle of the pack cut offense. And so maybe that's 282 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: another reason why you make a little bit of a 283 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: change there to mix things up. But that's it's such 284 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: an interesting dynamic because Sean, like we're talking with Gary Kopiak, 285 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: for example, he's familiar with his own guys, likes his 286 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 1: own guys, wants the same guys in the room that 287 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: can teach it the way he wants it to be taught, 288 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 1: And we don't know any internal dynamics of if he 289 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: is in the room like Vic Fangio and he did everything, 290 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 1: but he feels like a pretty hands on kind of guy. 291 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 3: So this feels like a bit of a departure. 292 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 2: And yet he has alluded to this idea that maybe 293 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 2: he's getting a little older. 294 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 3: Doesn't drive it, drive the night in the rain, talking about. 295 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 2: Driving in the rain, talking about the previous season, I 296 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 2: couldn't read the man. 297 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 4: Like, have you do any of you have a stigmatism? Yeah? Man, 298 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 4: you know how bad it is to drive frame. 299 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 3: It's difficult, It's awful. That's why I do blindfolded. 300 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 2: Go ahead, Yeah, I mean yeah, he's talked about it. 301 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 2: He's talked about kind of the getting older and not 302 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 2: wanting to slow down, but sort of kind of slowing down. 303 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 2: You know, the play calls coming in slow, a lot 304 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 2: of delay of games, a lot of personnel coming on late, 305 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 2: a lot of you know, in that AFC Championship game, 306 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 2: that late sub that allowed the other team to sub 307 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 2: and milk the clock. 308 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: And that actually is always more egregious in the fourth 309 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: and one for me and believe it or not, like 310 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: going back and rewatching the game and Mike rabel I 311 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: just I'm gonna jog on the slowest possible guys. Year. 312 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 4: But it's a defensive thing. We always talked about it 313 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 4: when you would play the Commanders with Cliff Kingsbury at 314 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 4: O see they did, you know, they would sub and 315 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 4: they would try to do a kind of no huddle 316 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 4: type thing. But whenever they sub, you know, they would 317 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 4: always tell us switch out a D lineman and go 318 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 4: as slow as you can and make them have to 319 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 4: tell you to speed up, because that's the issue. If 320 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 4: you sub one offense late, the defense has a chance 321 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 4: to sub and Na's just going to waste the all 322 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 4: the way down to one. 323 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: It led to the interception, I mean quite literally, because 324 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: you saw him clapping, get the ball, get the ball, 325 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: gets the ball, and then he just chucked it. 326 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 2: Up and through an interception anymore. Yeah, And I think 327 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 2: you might see less of that with Davis web because 328 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 2: he's not trying to be as tricky. 329 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 4: You know. 330 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 2: Sean Paigne has all these personnel groups for all this 331 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 2: different stuff, and I'll tell you, as an offensive player, 332 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 2: that's not fun. It's not fun having all these different 333 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 2: packages for all this different stuff. We were talking about 334 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 2: it off air that one guy does one thing well, 335 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 2: so you bring him on for this, and then he 336 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 2: comes off and another guy comes on to do this 337 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 2: other thing well. And by the way, it's a tell 338 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 2: for the defense. They know that this guy is not 339 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 2: going to block. They are not running at this guy. 340 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 2: If they do run, it's the opposite side and they're 341 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 2: probably throwing right. And so I think that Davis Web 342 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 2: might be able to see that and kind of curtail 343 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 2: that and not make it as complicated on the offense 344 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 2: and allow these guys to pin their ears back and 345 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 2: just go, well. 346 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 4: What happens if Okay, let's say Davis Web is the 347 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 4: play caller. Let's say the Broncos offense stumbles coming out 348 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 4: the gate. Question or are is that getting snatched right back? 349 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 2: Well, that is a delicate thing because like you also 350 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 2: want to like have Davis prove it that he can 351 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 2: do it right. So maybe preseason, Davis, you're gonna You're 352 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 2: gonna call in preseason. But but then again, I don't 353 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 2: get to get ready for the season. So what if 354 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 2: you suck in preseason and then all of a sudden, 355 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 2: the first game. I'm doing it for the first time 356 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 2: this year, and now I'm not ready, and so there's 357 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 2: a lot of things moving apart. So that's why I 358 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 2: don't think he's gonna call plays this year. 359 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: And you could argue the other side, what if he's 360 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: brilliant in preseason once against preseason, so let's not go 361 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: too overboard. But he's brilliant, and the players all say, god, man, 362 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: this thing runs so much smoother with Davis is in control. Hey, 363 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: you know, Sean, listen. I know that's your your system, man, 364 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: but Davis is he's on it. I mean, he had 365 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: the one preseason game this last year and Broncos fans. 366 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 4: Are we really hyping up preseason? 367 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 2: I just say, we're looked like Joe my tan them 368 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 2: against this season and Shelby. That game was the basis 369 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 2: upon which many myself included, because I could convinced myself 370 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 2: with this that Jared Didham was gonna be ready to 371 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 2: go in the FC Championship game because last time we 372 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 2: saw him play, he looked really good. 373 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 4: But also do we not we you know this, you 374 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 4: can end up playing the fourth string corner because some 375 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 4: teams decide to play their starters some don't. A lot 376 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 4: of people don't play that hard in the preseason. A 377 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 4: lot of a lot of people get thrown into the 378 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:38,199 Speaker 4: preseason and sometimes with the ones, sometimes with the twos, 379 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 4: and they have no clue what they're doing, and I don't. 380 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 4: I'm not a big believe if you can really judge 381 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 4: that much on the preseason, because also play callers are 382 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 4: very bland on defense. You're running your the most simplest 383 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 4: plays you have because you're not trying to show too much. 384 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 4: They're calling against the most simplest defense. 385 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 2: And it's all Also like it used to be that 386 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 2: teams around the league kind of have the same preseason philosophy. 387 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 2: So you knew it was gonna be like ones versus 388 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 2: ones for a while and then twos versus twos. But 389 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 2: now some teams don't want to play anybody, but some 390 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 2: teams do, and so you know you'll have some ones 391 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 2: versus some threes on the other team because nobody's playing, 392 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 2: and then preseason just becomes a joke. 393 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 4: Well, the Rams don't even travel, right, Like the starters 394 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 4: don't even travel. We played the Rams. I'm looking forward 395 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 4: to seeing my dog Poona. Poona's like I'm in la 396 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 4: like that. That's just what it is now. 397 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 2: So who's Who's ad? 398 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 4: So I was with him the. 399 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 2: Seattle Oh cool. 400 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,959 Speaker 4: So then so the the crazy part about it is, 401 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:40,439 Speaker 4: you know, like they said back in the day, when 402 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 4: you have four preseason games, first game, the Ones gonna 403 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 4: give you like a quarter. Second game, you're gonna give 404 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 4: us a half. Third game, the Ones, we're gonna give 405 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 4: us the first half plus a little bit of the 406 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:54,880 Speaker 4: third quarter. Fourth game one six. So you knew who 407 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 4: you who was playing when it was time to play. 408 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 2: What bands do you like? Show or groups or whatever? 409 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 2: Video game soundtracks? 410 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 4: Like I would say this, like, okay, I listened, well, yeah, 411 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 4: smooth jazz as we know. 412 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 2: The weekend kid uh. 413 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 4: Say kid rock And I was about. 414 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 2: To kid Cuddie. 415 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, Cutty, I'm going to the concert in Denver when 416 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 4: Cutty comes here. Uh. You know a lot of my music, 417 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 4: my music tastes is more early two thousand, late two thousands, 418 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 4: early ten, like around that age. It's like teenager to 419 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 4: like my freshman sophomore year in college. It's really when 420 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 4: like all my music that I enjoy came out. 421 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 3: We got him just seeing some let It Go from 422 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 3: Frozen the other day. 423 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 4: On Jake Hole of course Ja Cole, Jack Cole. 424 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 3: I don't know. 425 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 2: I know who Jake Cole is. I don't know what 426 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 2: he song. 427 00:19:57,760 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 3: I don't know any music from Jacob, but I know 428 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 3: who Jakes is. 429 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 4: A rapp as crazy as that sounds, you guys get 430 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 4: on me about Hall of Notes and all this other 431 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 4: crazy and ever clear. 432 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't know who Ja Cole is. I know who. 433 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 1: See the difference is, I've I've heard of J Cole. 434 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: You never even heard of Hallan Oates. That's so different. 435 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: You never heard of Holland Oats. 436 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 2: No. 437 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 3: And then when we played the songs, he's like, I've 438 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:21,959 Speaker 3: never heard any of these songs. Like a brand of oatmeal. 439 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 4: I'm not. 440 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 2: He's like, I've never even heard these songs. 441 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: We started playing hallo Oaks songs and he's like, I 442 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: haven't heard any of these. 443 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 2: It broke my heart. If you were to if he 444 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 2: were to play, you know, some popular J. Cole tracks, 445 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 2: you'd be like, I've never heard these before. That's probably 446 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 2: have I played you've heard cutting before? Yes? 447 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 3: Well, we had the walk up song for you every oh. 448 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah I do remember that. Yeah, But no, 449 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 4: I my music taste is whatever. I think it's good. 450 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 2: Hard to refute that that's that's great. 451 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 4: But these bands that you guys keep showing putting on 452 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 4: for you know, the intro coming back, I've never heard 453 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 4: of them. 454 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 2: Wow. So but you're in the locker room. You know, 455 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 2: you guys play different music in the locker room, right. 456 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 2: Is there one main stereo and everybody or does everyone 457 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 2: have their headphones on? How is it these days? 458 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 4: Oh? No, it's one main stereo. That kind of we 459 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 4: have an Alexa and you kind of just tell her 460 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 4: what to play. 461 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 2: Is everyone like, is everyone respectful of people's music and 462 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 2: just let the you know, is there certain days when 463 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 2: certain position groups get to control the control the music? 464 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 4: Oh no, because well mostly that's that's on. But like also, 465 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 4: you know, obviously we'd like to give some of the 466 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,199 Speaker 4: young guys. You know, let's hear what the young It 467 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 4: makes you feel old saying the young guys too, and 468 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 4: then and I'd be like, man, turn that garbage. But 469 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 4: we're trying to bond as a team in the locker room. Yeah, 470 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 4: but yeah, no, I don't know half the new music, 471 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 4: that's how but we have we have a good vibe 472 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 4: in the locker rooms important. 473 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: I always uh as immediate member because I anywhere got 474 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,199 Speaker 1: a chance obviously play. But as a media member, I 475 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: hate the music in the locker Room'm just gonna let 476 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:02,360 Speaker 1: you know what. 477 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,199 Speaker 2: I mean because because the sound gets messed up on 478 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 2: the question. So that's that's the right question. But I 479 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 2: could say that you're ruining a safe space where guys 480 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 2: get naked and change, and here you are with a 481 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,439 Speaker 2: camera facing their naked bodies. 482 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 4: We've always had a lot of guys in the league 483 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 4: have a lot of issues when it comes to media 484 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 4: in the locker room. I'm used to it though because 485 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 4: obviously I came in twenty fourteen. A lot of guys 486 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 4: aren't used to it though, because ever since COVID it's 487 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 4: with years before it got before media came back in 488 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 4: the locker room. 489 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 2: Now they're back, and you guys, they're back, their eyes wide, 490 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 2: they have wondering watching you. 491 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 4: Guys. 492 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 1: Want it's different, Negotiate it in your next CBA right now. 493 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 4: Don't you feel awkwards just going into the side of 494 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 4: our life. 495 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 2: Yeare changing and. 496 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 4: Putting a microphone in front of the naked persons. I 497 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 4: hate it so much, But now you're over making gripes 498 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 4: about what's going on in the locker room. 499 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,239 Speaker 1: I'll give you a hard time. I actually usually eyes up, 500 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:56,719 Speaker 1: I'm up here. 501 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 4: I always tell people this, eyes up, like you're in 502 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 4: the shower twenty four seven, Like it's eye level and 503 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 4: that's all we're doing here. 504 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: I tend to respectfully say, would you like to go 505 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: out into the hallway and have this conversation, partly because 506 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 1: the music's usually blurring. Vaughn was notorious, Oh yeah, putting 507 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 1: on whatever had the most like it always felt like, 508 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 1: now I know, well that wasn't exactly what's doing, but 509 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 1: always felt like whatever had the most language in it 510 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: that we could not air. And I was like, I 511 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: can't use any of this in it is a word 512 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,199 Speaker 1: that I am just uncomfortable with. 513 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 4: Look at those players playing music that we don't want 514 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 4: to listen to, and I got to give it in 515 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 4: right now. 516 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 1: If I with the music, the FCC is not so 517 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 1: much fine with the music. 518 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 2: Won't let me be, let me be me so let 519 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 2: me see and they try to shut me down on MTV, 520 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 2: But it feels so empty without me. 521 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 1: To you, guys, that's great, that's great. 522 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 2: You guys want to you want to keep keep going. 523 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 2: You we have our Simpsons. The next the next words 524 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,479 Speaker 2: are naughty. You wouldn't like no, you're right, you're right. 525 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 4: No, it's not me because you sound, you feel like 526 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 4: the way you look when you're saying the words, it's 527 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 4: like fringy. 528 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,360 Speaker 2: Like yeah, because you know that word. 529 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: It's impossible to take to strip out of the audio 530 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: of the interview that I'm trying to get. 531 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 2: That's why you just want the players to strip down? 532 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,439 Speaker 3: Is that what it is? You see what you did there? 533 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 3: That's great, that's great. 534 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: Five six six nighte zeros O kaway Comma Spirit health 535 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: text like, So, one thing I want to ask you 536 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: is before we hit the break here with the traffic. 537 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 1: There was an interesting stat that Warren Sharp put out 538 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,919 Speaker 1: about the running game for all NFL teams. It was 539 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 1: something along the lines of percent of running back runs 540 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 1: that gained zero lost yardage this last year. So Las 541 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: Vegas was by far the worst. Twenty six percent of 542 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 1: their runs went for zero or negative yards, so like 543 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: a third of their runs with Ashton Jenny back there, 544 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 1: which makes sense because you watch the games and you're like, 545 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 1: oh my god, it's nothing's working. 546 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 4: Hey, I'm asking genty is extremely talented and it should 547 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 4: be even higher. A percentage of it was not him 548 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 4: back there. 549 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 3: Didn't Miles have like five sacks of that game? 550 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 4: Yes he did, Yeah, Big Schelle had one. 551 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 3: Maybe Kyle van Noy should have watched that game to 552 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 3: see how much you helped. 553 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 4: Well, you know, I can't make everybody watch perfection, but 554 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 4: all I can do is keep putting it forward. 555 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: Kyle van Noy, did we play some sound yesterday and 556 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,880 Speaker 1: he was to mentioning all the defensive tackles that helped 557 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 1: Miles out to his sack, and he did not mention Shelby. 558 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: Since Cincinnati grants Bengals were actually the best team goo day, 559 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:31,719 Speaker 1: they were the best team in the NFL? 560 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 4: Why is that? Because they didn't they barely ran. If 561 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 4: you run vall ten times a game, I would hope 562 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 4: nine of those runs gets you at least a yard, or. 563 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 1: They phone it in on third and nine and they run. 564 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I mean that that could be the case. 565 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,199 Speaker 1: The Broncos were kind of middle of the pack their 566 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: eighteen percent. But the thing I wanted to ask about 567 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: is because it felt worse like like watching the Broncos 568 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,360 Speaker 1: run game last year, did feel very feast and famine 569 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: right or feast were famaus? So is that a design thing? 570 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 1: Is that an offensive line thing? Is that a running 571 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: back thing? 572 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 2: Like from what you saw, my feeling with the Broncos 573 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 2: running game is that they don't commit to it enough 574 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 2: during the week. It's not just about the game. It's 575 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 2: not just about calling plays on Sunday that are run plays. 576 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 2: It's about what is your identity? Who are you guys 577 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 2: as a unit? And you know, I harken back to 578 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 2: my years playing under coas Shanahan, and our identity was 579 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 2: running the football and then the play action keeper game 580 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 2: off of that, and of course you know, taking shots 581 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 2: as well, and the quick pass game, this traditional West 582 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 2: Coast stuff, but the running game was prioritized. We'd get 583 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 2: yelled at every day if we didn't put forth the 584 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 2: right effort. Every you know, period of practice had to 585 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 2: look a certain way with the runs. And that's on 586 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 2: the offensive line and the defensive line. Nine on seven 587 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 2: was you know, the most important part of the day. 588 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 2: It wasn't something we just want to get through. It 589 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 2: was the most important part of the day. And when 590 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,679 Speaker 2: that becomes your standard and your identity, then you're going 591 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 2: to be successful. To me, that's just what happens when 592 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 2: you have guys who are that big, that strong, that smart, 593 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 2: you value their talent. It's about what you do on 594 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 2: a daily basis to prepare them for those moments. It's 595 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 2: not just on Sunday I got I'm gonna right run 596 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 2: it on my play sheet and call some runs and 597 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,159 Speaker 2: they're gonna work out. To me, it's an everyday thing 598 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 2: that the Broncos it doesn't look like they're doing. 599 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: I want to ask you one quick thing here, Shell, 600 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: So on the Raiders, did you guys see when you 601 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: were preparing for that team, did you like, say, boy, 602 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 1: they don't even like did you think they were as 603 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: bad at running the ball as okay man, they watched film. 604 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 4: It's just they just didn't move as a unit. And 605 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 4: that was the issue with the Raiders. They didn't move 606 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 4: as a unit. The O line was kind of they 607 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 4: had injuries, and we definitely thought that was a game 608 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 4: that we should dominate. But I'm looking at this list 609 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 4: right now and the percentages, and there's a couple of 610 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,120 Speaker 4: playoff teams pretty high up here. Yes, it's actually kind 611 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 4: of surprising. With Phil the Chargers New England's at twenty 612 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 4: one percent, Houston's at twenty percent, And it just shows 613 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:08,439 Speaker 4: that the idea is, if it doesn't work, try try, 614 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,919 Speaker 4: try again, stop, don't give up, because all these teams 615 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 4: that are up here, they run the ball no matter what, 616 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 4: and that's how it's supposed to be. And that's how 617 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,479 Speaker 4: it's supposed to be because you take the pressure off 618 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 4: your quarterback and you make it it's a more even game, 619 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 4: which also opens up the deep shots downfield. 620 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 2: And it tires you guys out right, you know. And 621 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 2: as far as the zone, the wide zone stuff that 622 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 2: we would do not always to tire in them out, 623 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 2: but it's getting them running laterally. They got to react 624 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 2: to the offensive line. If the offensive line is using 625 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 2: or moving as a unit at the snap of the 626 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 2: ball laterally as fast as they can, then the defensive 627 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 2: line has to go with them. And they get tired 628 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 2: doing that, and all of a sudden you hit them 629 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 2: with the oki dok, you do a keeper and they're 630 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 2: out of position and guys are running free, right, But 631 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 2: you have to commit to the running game enough for 632 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 2: them to think that it is a run that they 633 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 2: have to stop. And so it doesn't always have to look. 634 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't always have to gain yards. It's 635 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 2: about wearing them down out and creating some tendencies and 636 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 2: getting them leaning right and and the broncos. I think 637 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 2: we need to do more of that. And what's coming 638 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 2: about your show, Well, we'll talk about other stuff besides 639 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:11,479 Speaker 2: Montata three hundred products. 640 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: It's always such a grab bag on your adventure. It's 641 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: a real roller coaster. We never know, I never know, 642 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: you'd never know. Yeah, the other day we're talking about siblings. 643 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 4: And we're sibling right, you know, growing up with sibling. 644 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: Rivalry, fighting and you know, get in trouble when you're 645 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: coming up, all that kind of stuff for a whole hour. 646 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a lot to talk, a lot to unpack. 647 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 2: Give me a microphone, they let me do therapy. It's fine. 648 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: So we got to show me the money coming up here, 649 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: go ahead, the standing Yeah, show me the money. Okay, 650 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: I remember this because I wasn't going to gloat, but 651 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: now I am creating the group chat. 652 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,719 Speaker 4: Please please win. 653 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 2: It goes down in the group chat. Fellas. This was 654 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 2: a lot of fun. Thank you both for being here today. 655 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 2: Thank you Ryan. Yeah, you show great week, really fun week. 656 00:29:55,800 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: Appreciate fell Ben and I will be out at the combine. 657 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 2: We will on Monday. 658 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 4: So are you running the forty? If you guys go 659 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 4: and do the actual combo, I want to see you 660 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 4: do the high, like the vertical, the five five, all 661 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 4: of that. 662 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 2: I want to see you in your underwear on stage 663 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 2: getting weighed and measured. That's the part, most pretty pretty, 664 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 2: best stuff we probably that's more for the. 665 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: Dudes on Dudes podcast, Rob Gronkowski, Jewelry Julian So more of. 666 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 2: That coming up on BCT. Grant great job as always, 667 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 2: BCT Next