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Speaker 1: As Matt Walls put it, the FBI can retrieve footage

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Speaker 1: if they were not set to record Neve. If you

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Speaker 1: don't have a subscription, that's pretty scary. However, if you're

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Speaker 2: Well because of the talk back, let me go ahead

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Speaker 2: bless Nancy Guthrie. I hope she's okay, and I hope

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Speaker 2: the family gets their mother back and everything else. But

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Speaker 2: to Bill Himmer over on Fox News and they're they're

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Speaker 2: talking about this person of interest that they interviewed, and

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Speaker 2: a delivery man of some sort. But when they got there,

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Speaker 2: he has a completely solid alibi. They decide that this

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Speaker 2: guy's not our guy whatsoever, and that they've moved on,

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Speaker 2: and then Himmer says, but we've got a new letter.

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Speaker 3: We had a new letter.

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Speaker 2: So they bring on whoever the guy is from TMZ, which.

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Speaker 3: Of course is.

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Speaker 4: The celebrities and not like news, and you take TMD

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Speaker 2: And I was just looking because I was actually going

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Speaker 2: to play the sound bite. I can't find the sound bite.

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Speaker 2: Leave that on, I use it for something else. But

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Speaker 2: I was going to play the sound bite because Bill

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Speaker 2: Himmer says something to the effect of TMZ have received

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Speaker 2: an email or a letter. But when the TMZ guy

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Speaker 2: an email, and it's an email that has apparently, like

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Speaker 2: I don't somehow they confirm that it's a real email address.

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Speaker 2: I don't know whether they wrote back or what, but

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Speaker 2: email address is demanding kind of like in what were

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Speaker 2: those stupid movies of Doctor Evil one bion dollars. Yeah, yes,

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Speaker 2: well whatever it was. Anyway, they're demanding one bitcoin.

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Speaker 4: And how much is one point out right now there, Michael,

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Speaker 2: Bitcoin is crashing and has been crashing for some time now.

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Speaker 2: Bitcoin is currently as I speak, down three percent. Is

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Speaker 2: now down to sixty six thousand, six hundred and nine

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Speaker 3: An email to TMZ.

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Speaker 4: At this point, don't you just turn your partner in

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Speaker 4: and be like, all right, he did it.

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Speaker 2: And it turns out that the person that sent the

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Speaker 2: information about who took missus Guthrie didn't call.

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Speaker 4: The helpline instead of it What the hell I know?

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Speaker 2: And Himmer is, well, now, now, now did this Did

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Speaker 2: this email go to any of the other outlets in Tucson?

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Speaker 2: And I wish I remember the name of the TMZ guy,

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Speaker 2: So Harvey responds and says, well, you know, Bill, we didn't.

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Speaker 2: To say because we're TMZ and we want the exclusive,

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Speaker 2: So no, And then Bill goes into this and and look, Bill,

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Speaker 2: the first email. And I don't want to put words

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Speaker 2: I am more fascinated because I've just totally given up

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Speaker 2: Yet, but I'm really getting concerned about our fascination with

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Speaker 2: My heart truly breaks. I want you to imagine for

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Speaker 2: the Secretary of Homeland Security, Hells Bills. I think every

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Speaker 2: very concerned about Nancy Griffith. I just are gou three.

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Speaker 3: But quit bugging us.

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Speaker 2: Then the feedback loop on this national story, the people

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Speaker 2: And I turn around and oh, there's a black pickup.

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Speaker 2: same as winning the lottery. But the feedback loop, the

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Speaker 2: Tell me whether I need a jacket this morning or not.

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Speaker 3: No planes can land, no planes can take off for

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Speaker 3: What's going on? Well that's what? What do you mean?

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Speaker 3: Kind of thing?

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Speaker 2: I wish it weren't all so damn predictable, but this

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Speaker 2: in the media and social media, of course, are all

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Speaker 2: Here are all we're already streaming in and related to

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Speaker 2: for the next ten days, Maria Barnaromo reported around five

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Speaker 3: I love Maria.

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Speaker 2: I think she's an excellent newsperson, But she reported an

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Speaker 3: And here's the thing.

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Speaker 2: If that report was actually true, and in fact it

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Speaker 3: You can do better.

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Speaker 2: But wait, there's even more. The Associated Press, with their

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Speaker 2: So who knows. Maybe we'll find out somebody just hit

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Speaker 3: Maybe they're paying too.

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Speaker 2: Much attention to Nancy Guthrie case and just hit SIN

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Speaker 2: before they were really thought about what they were doing. Now,

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Speaker 2: coming up next, I've got something a little more serious

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Speaker 3: A ding gong.

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Speaker 4: I want to throw something else on this gut three

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Speaker 3: Ring cameras just come out during.

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Speaker 5: The Super Bowl with an ad saying that they used

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Speaker 3: What is here's a rabbit hole for you.

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Speaker 2: This is an evil plot to get everybody to go, hey,

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Speaker 2: this is a good idea to have AI snoop around

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Speaker 3: Help find people in animals. There you go chase that one, Michael, Well.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to chase it, but not in the in

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Speaker 2: the context that you because to me, the issue is

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Speaker 2: In just a second, but before we do, just so

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Speaker 2: you know that I do not suffer from cognitive dissonance.

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Speaker 2: I know exactly what I'm doing. I know precisely what

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Speaker 3: I got too much caffeine in me. I'm not one

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Speaker 2: I'm a Michael Brown goober that is getting dragged into

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Speaker 3: The feedback loop. So let's chase the the let's chase

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Speaker 2: But think about the surveillance state that we have all

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Speaker 2: I mean, we don't have a Milkman FedEx just you

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Speaker 2: So Amazon, now they don't always do. Sometimes they just

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Speaker 3: That's not the problem.

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Speaker 2: The problem is the surveillance behind it. Let's think about

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Speaker 4: Now I have to remember the question that I was

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Speaker 3: But there's such a dumb ass we talked about so much.

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Speaker 4: But the problem that I find, and I'll posit this,

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Speaker 3: The subscription had expired.

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Speaker 4: Right, So FBI goes to Google and says, give me

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Speaker 2: But this phone is still waiting, listening for me to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, when you come into work, here's the way aufter McDonald's,

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Speaker 2: So today you said McDonalds, you need to go to

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Speaker 4: Which there were so many who were talking. One of

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Speaker 2: hand up. And suddenly if you put your hand up

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Speaker 2: far enough on the glass, some security guys somewhere is

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Speaker 2: having a blast with me because I'll put my hand

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Speaker 2: up to create just enough of a reflection or a shadow,

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Speaker 2: so that I can see beyond the glass and see

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Speaker 2: if it's really glass, a mirror, or you know, whatever

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Speaker 2: it is, and see whether or not they're looking at

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Speaker 2: me paranoid. No, I just like to know that other

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Speaker 2: people are watching me. So if I'm going to pick

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Speaker 2: my nose, I need to turn around make sure they

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Speaker 2: can't see me picking my nose, you know. Or if

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Speaker 2: I you know, if I happen to fart on the elevator,

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Speaker 2: you know, to be the next person yelling on the elevator.

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Speaker 3: But you know, I just don't want that being recorded.

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Speaker 4: So do you wait until just before you get out

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Speaker 4: to the fart or do you just because you don't

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Speaker 4: want to ride in the elevator with your own fart

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Speaker 4: until the fourth floor?

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Speaker 3: No, I just I there's these elevators, I just don't

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Speaker 3: do it.

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Speaker 2: There's just too many. There's just too many people getting

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Speaker 2: on them off. And if it was just the fourth floor,

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Speaker 2: people of the third and fourth floor people, just I

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Speaker 2: hurt people. But we have another company in the building

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Speaker 2: now too, so I really don't want them to have

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Speaker 2: I mean, they have a bad enough idea of what

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Speaker 2: we're like because they see you know, people like Rick

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Speaker 2: Lewis getting on, you know, or Kathy Lee getting on,

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Speaker 2: or they say will he be getting on the elevator

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Speaker 2: and they think, what the hell is what do they

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Speaker 2: do on that third floor? Then they see you and

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Speaker 2: they think, holy cow, what do they what did that

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Speaker 2: company do?

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Speaker 4: They knew what they were getting into when they rented

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Speaker 4: out the space until they're like, oh, okay, this is.

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Speaker 3: They got the nice you know, covered parking back.

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Speaker 4: On the back balcony has a really nice furniture on it,

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Speaker 4: the nice slate tiles and.

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Speaker 2: Balcony as stuff that's accumulated over like twenty years of

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Speaker 2: in the corners and everything.

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Speaker 3: We're kind of like, well, I want to talk about

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Speaker 3: coming up. Can we take a little early break? Can

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Speaker 3: we do that?

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Speaker 2: Because when we get back, I want to get started

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Speaker 2: on this, on this next topic about bio labs. We're

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Speaker 2: gonna talk bio labs.

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Speaker 3: I disappeared for a couple of weeks. All the time,

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Speaker 3: I don't show up on the news. Nobody cares how,

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Speaker 3: my wife doesn't even miss.

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Speaker 4: Me, and neither do we color me shocked? Ooh wait

486
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Speaker 4: do you go missing and nobody notices?

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Speaker 3: Wow?

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Speaker 2: Now let's compare contrast stories. This is the ABC Evening

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Speaker 2: News or I'm sorry, it's World News Tonight, whatever they

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Speaker 2: call it. This is from February third, twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: By my calculation, I'm broadcasting live right now on Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: February eleven, eight days ago.

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Speaker 5: David Mrror Tonight in Las Vegas, authorities are investigating a

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Speaker 5: possible unauthorized biological laboratory inside someone's home. The new images

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Speaker 5: right here from inside the home tonight. The FBI is

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Speaker 5: now testing files were covered in the home to see

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Speaker 5: if they contain potentially infectious and deadly viruses, including Ebola, Zeka,

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Speaker 5: and COVID. Law enforcement sources telling ABC News tonight they

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Speaker 5: recovered a thousand pieces of evidence. The homeowner is a

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Speaker 5: Chinese national who was previously arrested in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 5: If they say he owns dozens of other properties, they're now.

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Speaker 3: Being served to hmmm. And that was it.

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Speaker 2: Now, there was an earlier discovery of another Chinese biolab

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Speaker 2: in a place can I think it was Reedley or

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Speaker 2: Reedy or something, California. So we got a couple of biolabs,

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Speaker 2: and that's kind of like, who cares biolab? Here, biolab there,

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Speaker 2: and pretty soon you got biolabs everywhere. But no one

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Speaker 2: really seems to care. No one seems to discuss it.

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Speaker 2: Think about this if you go to this one is

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Speaker 2: so you go to Vegas and you can eat to

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Speaker 2: stay on the strip in a really nice place, and

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Speaker 2: I don't think you would expect to find, you know,

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Speaker 2: dead crickets or cockroaches in your hotel room. Or you

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Speaker 2: might rent a you know, a cheap airbnbs where off

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Speaker 2: the strip, or you might go into a hotel motel

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Speaker 2: off the strip, which is probably where our talkback guy

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Speaker 2: would probably stay at the hotel motel off the strip somewhere.

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Speaker 2: And so when he finds cockroaches or lot lizards running

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Speaker 2: around the you just see it. It's a sleazy l

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Speaker 2: shaped motel, two stories, you know, all the doors face

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Speaker 2: into the parking lot and there's a place back over

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Speaker 2: here for the truckers to park. And they got broken

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Speaker 2: out lights and broken windows and everything else. And he

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Speaker 2: parks there and he sees lot lizards and he thinks, man,

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Speaker 2: I got I got the four star, I got the

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Speaker 2: four seasons hotel here in Vegas tonight. Anyway, you wouldn't

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Speaker 2: be surprised if you stay in a place like that

528
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Speaker 2: but a thousand You check into an Airbnb and you

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Speaker 2: find a thousand fials of medical samples in several freezers,

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Speaker 2: and you find the centrifuge. Now, I don't know, but

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Speaker 2: I used to. You know, how many centrifuges do you

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Speaker 2: have in your house?

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Speaker 3: Dragon? Or at least seven?

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I think I've only got about

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Speaker 2: four or five, So I'm kind of behind. I'm kind

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Speaker 2: of behind the curve on it. So after the cleaner

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Speaker 2: and a guest fell ill at this property in the

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Speaker 2: Sunrise Manor neighborhood, federal agents rated it and they found

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Speaker 2: an entire lab's worth of scientific kits of the kid

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Speaker 2: more useful to medical scientists. No, not drug dealers. This

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Speaker 2: is not drug dealers. It's not a meth lab. This

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Speaker 2: is more like medical stuff. Kind of curious, isn't it?

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Speaker 2: And even more curious is the house belongs to a

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Speaker 2: Chinese national. Now I'm not deliberately mispronouncing the name, but

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Speaker 2: I don't speak Mandarin or or simplified Chinese either. Gba Gbai.

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Speaker 2: I don't know Jesse. He goes by Jesse Jesse Zoo.

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Speaker 2: Now He's currently in the in the prison awaiting trial

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Speaker 2: over a seaqu lab that is allegedly he was running.

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Speaker 2: Also in Reedley, California, in December of twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 2: an alert city official in Reedley found a garden hose

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Speaker 2: that was running into a building that was supposedly empty.

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Speaker 2: So this inspector went inside found three women who identified

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Speaker 2: themselves as Chinese nationals. They were wearing white coats, masks,

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Speaker 2: safety glasses, late texts, gloves, among all the equipment of

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Speaker 2: a busy lab with liquid and nitrogen bottles and ultra

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Speaker 2: cold deep freezes. It was almost like a Level A

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Speaker 2: lab inside this inside this building. So when the Feds

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Speaker 2: and the city officials obtained a search warrant like like

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Speaker 2: Google and hey, can we see your ring camera our nests,

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Speaker 2: and they gained full access to the building a few

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Speaker 2: months later. Now I don't know, I can't and I

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Speaker 2: can't find out why it took them so long. Oh guys,

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Speaker 2: we found we found a lab run by the Chinese

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Speaker 2: and they're and they're in there with almost the equivalent

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Speaker 2: of Level A suits on. Well, let's not do anything rash.

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Speaker 2: Let's go get some donuts first and then let's call

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Speaker 2: the FBI see if we can find anybody, and.

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Speaker 3: Let's think about getting a search warrant. Really huh,