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Speaker 1: Delighted to be joined by Biking's defensive back Isaiah Rodgers. Isaiah,

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Speaker 1: thanks for coming back.

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Speaker 2: We do appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now, thank you, big round of applause.

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Speaker 1: The first thing we have to establish right away is

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Speaker 1: I'm not your normal media guy. That's you know, kind

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Speaker 1: of out of shape. Slow, doesn't understand the game. I

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Speaker 1: played football both sides of the ball. I was a

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Speaker 1: fierce pass rushing rocket Gibraltar, run stopping defensive lineman and

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Speaker 1: a precise route running sure him a pass catching tight end.

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Speaker 1: So I played the game, so I understand twenty two wide.

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Speaker 3: Nos, you sound like an athlete, man, Well.

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Speaker 2: I was, of course.

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Speaker 1: That was back when I was in fourth, fifth, and

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Speaker 1: sixth grade. It was a long time ago. With that,

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Speaker 1: I played football. How long you've been playing football since?

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Speaker 1: What you're how old? Twenty seven?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, twenty seven. I've been playing since I was three?

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Speaker 4: Three three yeah, Florida. You can start playing flag?

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Speaker 3: What three?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Soccer everything at three years?

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Speaker 1: Why are you just crawling after each other or are

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Speaker 1: you actually running?

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Speaker 4: They just let us run whichever way and just clap

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Speaker 4: for us and had us all feeling like we were

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Speaker 1: So sort of like heard soccer they called it. You know,

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Speaker 1: when you first start soccer, they just all follow the ball.

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Speaker 1: There's thirty kids.

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Speaker 4: Free for all out there. You didn't even know who

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Speaker 5: Were you elite at three? Are a little bit of

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Speaker 5: a late bloomer.

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Speaker 3: I'm still blooming, still blooming. Yeah I was. I was bad.

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Speaker 3: I was horrible.

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Speaker 2: Did you play other sports too?

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Speaker 4: I was more of a baseball player growing up in track,

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Speaker 4: but football was more like a family sport, so I

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well I was worked out for you, I mean

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Speaker 4: No, I played picture in short stuff. Okay, I haven't.

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Speaker 4: I never played outfield, which is crazy.

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Speaker 5: But you can run.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, back then I couldn't. Oh okay, yeah. I didn't

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I was just slow. So I wasn't

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Speaker 1: I wasn't very good at BASB. But I used to

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Speaker 1: play right field. Foul territory.

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Speaker 2: That's really going on the field, So it's a whole

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Speaker 3: You mass right, Yeah, yeah, how'd you.

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Speaker 2: End up in U Mass?

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Speaker 1: Was scholarship offer and you offer or did you just

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: It was an offer. I just wanted to get away

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Speaker 3: So I just wanted to just get away.

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Speaker 1: And go to you go to college or play ball.

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Speaker 1: Were you pretty convinced I may get drafted in the NFL?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, who knows whatever?

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Speaker 1: Nah?

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Speaker 3: Not my freshman year, I was.

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Speaker 4: I left college at one hundred and thirty five pounds,

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Speaker 4: so I had no chance. Yeah, But I think my

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then got drafted by the culture coach.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sixth round twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: Did they were there other teams? I mean, how does

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Speaker 1: Were you at the combine? Did they just watch your

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Speaker 4: My year was different because it was COVID, so we

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Speaker 3: But it was a lot different.

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Speaker 4: But throughout the draft process, it's weird because teams call

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Speaker 3: So it's just a lot of phone calls calling.

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Speaker 1: Getting fourth round, fifth round, getting into the sit, were

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Speaker 4: I knew I was going to get in somewhere. I

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Speaker 4: So I kind of just stopped watching it, but my

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Speaker 4: And then I got a call, uh that I thought

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Speaker 4: kind of just like, I don't really care anymore if

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Speaker 4: like just hurry up and get it over right, right?

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Speaker 1: Colts, Eagles and Vikings kind of like radio town to town,

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Speaker 1: up and down the dial. What happens in the you know,

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Speaker 1: like the Colts, you played there? How to jet up

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Speaker 4: You know? Yeah, I was, I was there three years,

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Speaker 4: made a stupid young guy decision. I was gambling helping

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Speaker 4: got suspended for a year. It took a year off

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Speaker 4: and well the Eagles signed me like two months later.

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Speaker 2: You played for him last year?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I played for him last year.

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Speaker 2: Where's your ring.

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Speaker 4: It's a little stash stashed up, but I haven't I

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Speaker 3: In a while.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's cool because you know a lot of guys,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I got it out the way. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like if I'm a home here in Minnesota,

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Speaker 2: I actually do.

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Speaker 3: I like being in different scene reason in Florida.

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Speaker 4: Been from Florida to the hot climbing and there's a

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Speaker 4: lot of things to do. I think Minnesota is perfect

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Speaker 4: for me and for my family, and it's like really

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Speaker 3: So I actually love it here big.

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Speaker 1: This season just hasn't gone the way the teams wanted

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Speaker 1: offensive even defensively, you couldn't stop the runn early. Defense

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Speaker 1: playing better now, having trouble to the quarterbacks if you're

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Difficult to go to the complex every day with a

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Speaker 3: Now, I won't say it's difficult.

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Speaker 4: I think end of the day, win, lose, draw, whatever,

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Speaker 4: we all still have a job to do, Like, you

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Speaker 4: gotta look you gotta look past those games. Those games

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Speaker 4: do hurt, especially when we just had this weekend. But

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Speaker 4: you understand, like once you get on the plane and

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Speaker 4: back to your families, reset and get ready to come

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Speaker 4: in and watch it next week. So we just got

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Speaker 4: to focus on on the Commanders right now.

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Speaker 6: I'm guessing for you specifically too, Right, just from listening

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Speaker 6: to you, it sounds like there's always been a little

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Speaker 6: bit of uncertainty in your future, right Like you're small

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Speaker 6: out of high school, you weren't.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, right, you're.

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Speaker 6: Drafted late, to which you always have to keep working

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Speaker 6: this role, I have to imagine, like you're you're still

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, like you mentioned, I've I don't have the

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't be the guy to go to the lead,

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Speaker 4: I kind of just focused on the positivity of my life.

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Speaker 2: That's a good attitude. Yeah, trying the people that don't

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's all about the people who believe me. That's

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think believed in you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, that's my guy.

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Speaker 5: That's my guy. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: To be honest with you, like as a Vikings fan,

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Speaker 6: And we weren't expecting when that signed that you'd be

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Speaker 6: They clearly saw something new, believed in you, and I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just just trying to keep going and just

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Speaker 4: trying to continue to stack the days, and I just

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Speaker 4: and you know kind of don't look back and say, oh,

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Speaker 4: you know. So I want to be that guy that

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Speaker 4: just continue to keep going to be here for a

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Speaker 1: Our guest here at Shields as I say, Rogers defensive

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Speaker 1: back for the Minnesota Vikings.

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Speaker 2: Where or toys for tents drive?

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Speaker 1: So you've played for three different defensive coordinators and right colts,

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Speaker 1: I mean, do they all have different approaches? Is it

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Speaker 1: is every guy? Is every system?

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Speaker 5: Like?

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Speaker 1: Are those three systems significantly different from one another?

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Speaker 3: So we just got to keep stacking days and keep going.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh so now you're you're four and eight, you

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Speaker 2: It's like you know, you're you're, you're you're playing for

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Speaker 6: Is cornerback the most challenging position in all of sports?

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Speaker 4: I don't get a lot of flags. I really don't

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Speaker 3: Got to take it.

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Speaker 4: He's similar to the Puka conversation, Like in that scheme,

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Speaker 4: think it's like that with you pay him thirty plus

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Speaker 4: million dollars, with you throwing the ball as well.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, good luck the rest of the season.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and thanks for joining us. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, nice to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: Let's here at for Isaiah Rodgers, defensive back for the

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Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings. They play Washington this week, and let's take

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Speaker 1: a break.

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Speaker 5: We'll come back with more.

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Speaker 2: We're brought