1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: We're gonna rod Smith and Studio after five o'clock. I 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: had a lot of people on the text line financially 3 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: has to talk about this just yet, Broncos are not 4 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: underdogs now, Ryan, they are minus one. Yes, I actually 5 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 1: am quite aware of that they were underdogs up until 6 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: the last twenty four hours or so. I still thought 7 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: it was an appropriate question to Garrett Bowles because they 8 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: started as underdogs. 9 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 2: And they made by the end of the week swing 10 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 2: back the other way to underdogs. I still think it's 11 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 2: basically a pick them. 12 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 3: No, I'm I'm just no. 13 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: But that's why I asked Art about the team being underdogs, 14 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: especially as a one seed, and you mentioned it was 15 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: the second time in history. 16 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 4: Second time ever that a one seed is an underdog 17 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 4: in their first home game, and the first time was 18 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 4: when the starting quarterback was out for the season. 19 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 3: So that it does go to show you. 20 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting because yesterday they were Buffalo is my 21 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 4: one and a half, and today I saw one site 22 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 4: that Denver was minus one and a half. That is 23 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 4: an unusual swing in twenty four hours. I can't tell 24 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:18,559 Speaker 4: you for a line to move three points, I'm not sure. 25 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 4: I have theories that I'll just keep to myself on 26 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 4: how that could be. But I'm just telling you if 27 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 4: things like that over a twenty four hour period rarely 28 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 4: happened in the. 29 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 5: NFL, that's just the Bills for them to be favorites 30 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 5: at first in Denver. I'm just confused on whoever's making 31 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 5: that line. It just doesn't make any sense to me 32 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:47,919 Speaker 5: because the. 33 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 3: Bills there was the big buildings in Las Vegas. 34 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 5: So the Bills have nobody on offense right now. They're 35 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 5: banged up to the fullest. They gotta go back to 36 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 5: Keon Coleman and let him play again. That's how banged 37 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 5: they are right now. But the Broncos coming off of 38 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 5: by fresh which that actually is one thing that does 39 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 5: worry me though, is the bye week. Teams historically struggle 40 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 5: after coming off the bye week. But I don't think 41 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 5: this Bronco team is going to struggle because if you 42 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 5: can stop James Cook, you'll win that game. 43 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, you were telling us a little earlier, and I 44 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: want to kind of dive in on that. You were 45 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: telling us a little earlier that that was a bit 46 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 1: of a mindset for your matchup when you guys played 47 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: the Bills. 48 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, it was the mindset. We didn't do it, but 49 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 5: it was. The mindset is if you can stop James Cook, 50 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 5: you will stop the Buffalo Bills. Because it's not Josh 51 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 5: Allen that isn't the catalyst behind it. James Cook. He 52 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 5: hit us with about a fifty yard touchdown run and 53 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,239 Speaker 5: a seventy yard touchdown run. He's a home run threat, 54 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 5: kind of like Dave Know. It's like those high school 55 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 5: running backs that just break the line you know is gone. 56 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 5: That's how I thought about James Cook. He is their 57 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 5: offense right now, and especially when all those receivers hurt, 58 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 5: you gotta believe you're going to get at least thirty 59 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 5: carries to James Cook this game. See I would say, 60 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 5: I agree, and you weren't here yesterday. 61 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 4: But I said, the Broncos first and foremost have to 62 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 4: figure out a way to make sure James Cook doesn't 63 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 4: factor to the level in this game that allows Buffalo 64 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,679 Speaker 4: to control the game and ultimately win. Here's what I 65 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 4: would say, though, Jacksonville, I thought had a really good 66 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 4: effort against the run. James Cook I think had was 67 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 4: it sixty some yards? I mean he didn't, he didn't. 68 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 4: He was not a factor running the ball, and they 69 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 4: were taxing him every single time. I look at the 70 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 4: Buffalo receiving core right and gave Davis Tori's ACL. Against Jacksonville, 71 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 4: they had another receiver who didn't play much toward his ACL, 72 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 4: and so people see that and they say, you know what, 73 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 4: they don't have any they don't have any receivers. Here's 74 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 4: here's the caution that I would approach this with. 75 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 3: They've got those guys. 76 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 4: Are really were not key guys for them anyway. The 77 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 4: Buffalo passing game, You've just got guys on the outside 78 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 4: the inside. If you said Shakir is not playing in 79 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 4: the game, then I'd say, okay, that's huge. If you 80 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 4: said those two tight ends are not playing in the. 81 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 2: Game, okay, that's a big deal. 82 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:26,239 Speaker 4: But with all due respect to the outside guys, they've 83 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 4: just been guys this year and they've still won what 84 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 4: thirteen games? So I agree with Shelby instead of yesterday, 85 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 4: I think the key to success for the Broncos defense 86 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 4: is at the end of the game, not looking at 87 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 4: the stat sheet and seeing James Cook twenty four carries 88 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 4: one hundred and fifty seven yards. 89 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 2: You have to get him slowed down or stopped. 90 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 1: So if the Bills are gonna play, let's just say 91 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: for argument that they're gonna play a lot more twelve personnel, right, 92 00:04:57,680 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: just because they're down on so many receivers. They're gonna 93 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: all two tight ends, which you said is part of 94 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: what they're passing is built on anyways, with Dawson Knox. 95 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 2: And Dalton kincadence. 96 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: What does that do for the defense, Like, as far 97 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 1: as how would the Broncos defense, would that be a 98 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: base look? Would that be, Well, we got to have 99 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: an extra DP to cover these tight ends out there, 100 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: so we're gonna line up a nickel, Like, what would 101 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: you ideally want to see from the defense? 102 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 4: I would I would not play an extraordinary amount of 103 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 4: bass against that look, because they utilize those tight ends 104 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 4: in a way that they're They're not really in line 105 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 4: tight ends. 106 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 3: They're not the. 107 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 4: Big, you know, the run blocking tight ends. But what 108 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 4: it does is it gives you an ability, I think, 109 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 4: from an offensive standpoint, to balance up that defense, right, 110 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 4: I mean we used to call it is the defense tilted. 111 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 3: Right. 112 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 4: If the defense can tilt and you're not sure as 113 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 4: to where they're coming, the easiest way to get them 114 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 4: to balance and maybe play palms or get those two 115 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 4: safeties back. Is to line up a tight end on 116 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 4: each side. Now you have a strong side on each 117 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 4: side of the formation for the run game, so you 118 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 4: can't really roll a safety down. You can, but you 119 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 4: got to decide, okay, which which way are we rolling here? 120 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 4: So yeah, I don't think you'll see a lot of 121 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 4: base base defense because Buffalo is in twelve personnel. I 122 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 4: have no idea if Buffalo will be a lot of 123 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 4: twelve personnel. But all I'm saying is they have made 124 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 4: their living this year with. 125 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 3: Those outside guys. 126 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 2: It's been cook and those two tight ends. 127 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 128 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 5: But the one thing that I've noticed though, is going 129 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 5: back to the Nickel conversation, is when they do see 130 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 5: teams go to small people, they're running the ball at you, 131 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 5: and so it kind of puts you in that conundrum 132 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 5: of you don't know, do you want to leave your 133 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 5: linebackers out there? Do you want to set you want 134 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 5: you know, sebone out Because obviously, every team, and it's 135 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 5: crazy because a lot of people don't think about this, 136 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 5: every team has a playbook for when certain players off 137 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 5: the field, Like when Nick Bdilo's off the field, they're 138 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 5: going to run more play actions, or they're going to 139 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 5: do more drop back past, just like when Miles Garrett's 140 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 5: off the field, it's straight dropped back past. Some of 141 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 5: you you haven't seen and so but what this Buffalo 142 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 5: Bills team will do, though, is they just try to 143 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 5: bully you based off of what your you know, your formation, 144 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 5: what you're lined up in. And so it's going to 145 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 5: be very interesting to see really how the little guys 146 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 5: end up stacking up against the run. That's what's going 147 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 5: to be the game. 148 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 2: Chris Samuel's practicing this week. 149 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 4: I was told today he is definitely gonna play, Okay, 150 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 4: but I didn't see it on the report, so. 151 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually the Bills they say he's. 152 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 3: Probable or questionable. 153 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: Well, they haven't done official designations, but I did see that. 154 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: The practice for work came out for the Bills. Let 155 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: me get that real quick. But then in practice squad 156 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: they got the Cole Hardman, who we know, of course 157 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: was a former chief Christian Wilkerson, and then Steven Gosnell. 158 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 5: Okay, so becall Hartman will get brought up. And those 159 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 5: three receivers that we talked about, they're not slouches, you 160 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 5: know what I mean right, because we know who that is. 161 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 3: He still go, still can, still can. 162 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 5: And then you got Shaquill, who's who's been balling all season. 163 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 5: And then obviously they saw potential on Keion Koleman. That's 164 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 5: why they dropped him in the second round. He just 165 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 5: has to live up to his own potential. That that's it. 166 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 5: So it's not like they don't have weapons. And the 167 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 5: Broncos know that. They know that that the Bills are 168 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 5: not going to be limited in anything they want to do. 169 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 4: They outside guys are not the key to what Buffalo does. Again, 170 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 4: Shakir in the slot, he's he's a problem, and the 171 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 4: Broncos it'll be interesting to see. We had a texture 172 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 4: this said, hey, do you think you'll put pats er 173 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 4: ten on Shakir. I don't think so, because you're not 174 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 4: going to put Pad in the slot. I'm not saying 175 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 4: he will never line up there, but I don't think 176 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 4: he'll line up there too much. But in the passing game, 177 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 4: the two tight ends, Shakir and Cook, those those are 178 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 4: the guys that Josh Allen's going to go to. And 179 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 4: occasionally it could be you know, it could be Huge 180 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 4: Dewey on the outside they are NFL guys and occasionally, 181 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 4: you know, you run a comeback and you're going to 182 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 4: get a ball. But that's not how Buffalo wins games. 183 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: So let me ask you this because I was thinking 184 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: about this earlier, like, when there's so many guys that 185 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: are starting to be missing from a team, do you 186 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: as a team study some of the other receivers that 187 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:22,719 Speaker 1: they might be putting in Because mcole harmon what he 188 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: does versus Gabe Davis versus Shavers. 189 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 2: No, it's different. 190 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 4: No, I mean if McCole Hardman is brought up and 191 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 4: he comes in the game, you know what he does best, 192 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 4: which is run, and he can run. But you study, 193 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 4: I mean, this would be my idea with Buffalo. You 194 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 4: study schemes the outside guy. 195 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 3: Now, there are. 196 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 4: Teams like if you play the Rams and you say, yeah, 197 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 4: Pooka Nakua is not played, Oh okay, that's a big deal. 198 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 4: That's a huge deal for Matthew Stafford. But Buffalo, I'm 199 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 4: not saying, you know, losing Gabe Davis and the the 200 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 4: guy or not, that's it's it's not too bad. I'm 201 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 4: just saying those are those are just guys in that offense. 202 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 4: Those are not the guys they was feeling. 203 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 5: I hate to say like this, but they were already 204 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,959 Speaker 5: fillings in the first place they went and got gave 205 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 5: Davis back because they had injuries already. So the replacements 206 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 5: just got hurt. But their guys are still there. The 207 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 5: scheme is still there. You know, you gotta worry about 208 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 5: this Buffalo Bill's team. You can't listen to all the 209 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 5: outside noise that people was trying to say tell you 210 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 5: that that the injuries are going to are what's going 211 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 5: to stop Buffalo from winning this one. Like that's that 212 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 5: has nothing to do with it. That you have to 213 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 5: stop James Cook, Josh Allen and and the way you 214 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 5: stop it. You gotta contain Josh Allen. Don't let them 215 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 5: sit there, break free, you know, running all around the pocket. 216 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 5: Then you find somebody, and then you find somebody deep, 217 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 5: you know, thirty yards downfield. You have to stop those guys. 218 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 5: You don't know, you do not know how to salt. 219 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 5: So I don't want to hear that. Man. 220 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:04,719 Speaker 3: Don't lie to the people. Listen. Give me on the 221 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 3: dance floor. Everyone knows when they invite me to their wedding. 222 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 3: Do you know how I bring the party? I tried 223 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 3: to tell my wedding. I saw it. I tried. 224 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 5: I tried to tell you he can do it. I've 225 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 5: definitely seen him move his body on the dance. 226 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: It Waslaine or like Lane, you know with Seinfeld, where 227 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 1: she's like convulsing and everything, and that's not like that. 228 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:22,599 Speaker 3: No, it's not like Elaine. 229 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 5: I will give him a little bit of credit. He 230 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:26,599 Speaker 5: might have a little bit of rhythm with him, but 231 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 5: a little He's got great feet. 232 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 2: Man, hey, play defensiven offensive line. You gotta have great feet. 233 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, you know. So I have no doubt. I 234 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 5: know Garrett can go out there, salsa, do the whole 235 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 5: dancing with the stars. 236 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 2: You never know, you never know, Rara, that was gar 237 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 2: We got a new draft for Garrett. That's good. 238 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: We'll see if rod Smith is much of a dancer, 239 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 1: he's gonna join us here in about half an hour. 240 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: I was thinking about the word aesthetic today because I 241 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: was listening to Alex Smith and he was on with 242 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: k Adams, and he was he once again sort of 243 00:11:58,080 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: echoing what a lot of people say, is like this 244 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: is the weak one seed. 245 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 2: He was talking about the Broncos, like the weakest one seed. 246 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 2: I told say that on the ESPN show Yes Exact 247 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,559 Speaker 2: NFL Countdown, and so she challenged him my credits a case. 248 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 1: She was kind of like, well, why tell me why, 249 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: and he's like, well, first of all, a long time 250 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: playing with the Chiefs. I still have incomplete ringing in 251 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: my ears from years later. And he's like that was 252 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: a miserable place to play. It's like okay, he's honest, yeah, 253 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: and then she said, okay, well that that makes some sense, 254 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: but let's, you know, try to dive deeper. 255 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 2: And he's like, well, I really like Sean. He's like, 256 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 2: I like bo and actually like ANNs Joseph Love. 257 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: So as he's talking about it, the esthetic of the 258 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: Broncos having to come back and win games for him 259 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: is the reason why he doesn't believe in him. He's like, hey, 260 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: they have twelve comeback wins this year. He's like that 261 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 1: for me is not a team that is something you 262 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: believe in. And so it's it's the aesthetic of watching 263 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: this team win games the way they are versus when 264 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: you talk about the Texans and. 265 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 2: Say, wow, it's the defense. The defense is amazing. 266 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: And you watched him last night two defensive touchdowns and 267 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: then the Patriots and and how they've been one of 268 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: the He said they were the more complete teams in 269 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: the league. 270 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 4: Right now, I think everything he said is true, and 271 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 4: I think it's okay. I mean the fact that the 272 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 4: Broncos have had twelve come from behind wins, which is 273 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 4: an NFL record, that should indicate that normally teams are 274 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 4: not able to do that. So for somebody on the outside, 275 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 4: maybe again I said yesterday, somebody on the inside here 276 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 4: looking at this team saying, man, oh man, I mean, 277 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 4: can we continue to count on this happening every single week? 278 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 4: The answer is probably not, except it has. They keep 279 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 4: doing it. 280 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 3: It has. 281 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 4: So this team is capable of winning Saturday, and this 282 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 4: team is capable of beating either New England or Houston 283 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:44,719 Speaker 4: in Denver. Is Buffalo capable of winning? They absolutely are. 284 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 4: Could or New England come to Denver and win? They 285 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 4: absolutely could. To me, that's what makes this year so 286 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 4: special because the Broncos have it right in front of them. 287 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 4: They're not guaranteed. They might not even be the favorite 288 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 4: to a lot of people. All that doesn't matter. It 289 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 4: matters how they play Saturday for four quarters. They are capable, 290 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 4: more than capable of beating the Bills, but they're going 291 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 4: to have to play better than they've played. 292 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 1: So from that perspective, Shelby is that is that why 293 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: there's a bit of an overlook with them, or why 294 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: teams and fans and media otherwise continue to doubt the 295 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: way that they have done this this year. 296 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 5: One because the teams that we know everyone expects them blowout, 297 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 5: they don't. They have to come back and win. And 298 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 5: even every other team it seems like you have to 299 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 5: think fourteen wins, twelve of them are come from behind wins. 300 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 5: So the idea is it's like they have said, eventually 301 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 5: that magic is going to run out, and you're going 302 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 5: to You're going to be in a situation where you 303 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 5: just can't make up that margin and you can't figure 304 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 5: it out later. And that's why I think this week 305 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 5: is so important that they start fast. They got to 306 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 5: start fast and so they can kind of get get 307 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 5: away from from this narrative of the comeback Kings. They 308 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 5: got to go out there and beat their ass and 309 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 5: the magic could run out next year. Oh sure, I 310 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 5: mean the magic. I mean look at the Chiefs last year. 311 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 5: How many come from behind victories? 312 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 3: Did they have? 313 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 2: Wins? 314 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 4: Right, a bunch of them, and then this year couldn't 315 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 4: do it, couldn't do it at all. Right, maybe Denver, 316 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 4: next year, maybe the sauce is cooked a little differently. Right, 317 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 4: another year under the bell of the bon Knicks, young 318 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 4: players they learn. I mean, so next year, can you 319 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 4: count on them coming from behind in twelve games to 320 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 4: pull out wins? Probably not, but but you know what, 321 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 4: that's next year. There's no there's no nobody can say 322 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 4: without question that streak is going to end Saturday against 323 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 4: the Bills. 324 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 5: Well, you guys would say this stuff every week about 325 00:15:53,280 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 5: the Chiefs, and this is this is what's funny you well, 326 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 5: because you got to think of it every week when 327 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 5: the Chiefs are making these comebacks. Everybody's like, all right, 328 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 5: the Mahons magic got it has to rent out soon 329 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 5: and now we just place Mahomes with the Bronco magic 330 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 5: has to roun soon. Every year there's some type of 331 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 5: team that is very good and coming from behind and 332 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 5: just not you know, losing their mind when they're losing. 333 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 5: And that's the Broncos. They don't panic, they don't sit 334 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 5: there and just start airing it out. They stick to 335 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 5: their game plan and they find a way to win. 336 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 5: And honestly, what I think actually happens more often when 337 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 5: they're losing than not is both starts using his legs 338 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 5: bogus active and it helps the receivers get open and 339 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 5: they start making plays downfield. 340 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: You mentioned getting out to a fast start. I agree 341 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: that would be it'd be nice, it'd be nice change. 342 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: It's also not how they've operated. So even hearing Garrett 343 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: say that and us talking about it and say when 344 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: this would be great, get out to a fast league, 345 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: get score touchdowns, as Garrett said, that's not how they've operated. 346 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 2: I don't even know what this team would do in 347 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 2: something like that. 348 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 1: I think I might even be and maybe there's some 349 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: PTSD or whatever it was. I think I'd be worried 350 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: a little bit more about them relaxing Buffalo into it. 351 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 3: Not me, Yes, it is. 352 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,479 Speaker 4: I think when you think of the twenty fifteen season 353 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 4: and you think of the AFC Championship game, what what 354 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 4: comes to mind for you immediately? 355 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 3: And I'll tell you what comes to mind for me. 356 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 2: Well, the game immediately the two point conversions. 357 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 3: Okay, that's fair. 358 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 4: What comes to mind immediately for me is the Broncos 359 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 4: pounced on the Patriots early two touchdowns. 360 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 2: I think it was Owen Owen Daniels. 361 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 4: I think Owen Daniels had two touchdown receptions. I could 362 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 4: be I could be off the it's what ten eleven 363 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 4: years ago, but I mean the Broncos went down, he 364 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,479 Speaker 4: had two. The Broncos went down and scored, and then 365 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 4: all of a sudden they go down to score again. 366 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 4: It's like wow, because I mean, that was not a 367 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 4: juggernaut offensive team that year with Denver. It was a 368 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 4: team that was led by a dominant defense that could 369 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 4: rush the passer. Sound familiar, Hey, I mean I it's 370 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 4: gonna be fun on Saturday to see what happens. But 371 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 4: I absolutely believe they can win. 372 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 2: But then the Patriots can. You just have to do it. 373 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 4: Hey, Patriots came back because the Patriots were a great team. 374 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 5: Let me throw this question at you guys. And I'm 375 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,959 Speaker 5: not saying this is going to happen. What if they 376 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 5: do lose on Saturday? What needs to change? 377 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 3: Well? 378 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 2: The show, Yeah, it's clearly our fault. 379 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 3: I think it's I think this show, well, I. 380 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: Think that you're gonna you're gonna want to add more talent. 381 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: Either way, it kind of depends on how I guess because. 382 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 3: Definitely depends on how. Yeah, because because you're. 383 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: Not replacing bon Nicks, I think no matter what happens 384 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: as the coaching staff, I mean, unless promotions happen VJ. Leeves, whatever, 385 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 1: I mean, everybody's going to be back right. More likely 386 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: it's not one of those where you have to take 387 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 1: a hard look at who you are because you won 388 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 1: fourteen games. 389 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 2: Ye were the one see in the AFC. 390 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 1: If they get blown out right, like let's just say 391 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,640 Speaker 1: it's a Chargers or Steelers kind of game this last 392 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 1: weekend where they just just got blown out right, well, 393 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: then I have a feeling Broncos fans are going to 394 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: feel kind of salty about that. But other than that, 395 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 1: I think even if it's a hard fought loss and 396 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,239 Speaker 1: Buffalo comes out ahead, I don't know if Broncos fans 397 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 1: are going to melt down about it. 398 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 3: I think Shelby said it best in the first hour. 399 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 4: Even though Sean Payton has poo pooed this idea and 400 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 4: I understand why. 401 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 3: But to me, the Broncos are playing with house money. 402 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 4: I mean, nobody expected them to be fourteen to three, 403 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 4: the number one seed in the AFC. When I say nobody, 404 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 4: maybe a handful of fans. I think Broncos fans should 405 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,360 Speaker 4: appreciate what this team has accomplished this year. 406 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 3: And I agree with you. 407 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 4: If they lose Saturday, it will depend on, you know, 408 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 4: what happened in the loss. 409 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 2: But I think I think when you look at the. 410 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 4: Overall structure of the roster from an offensive standpoint, I 411 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 4: think you're probably you you probably want to fortify with 412 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 4: another offensive lineman or two. Right, you got to figure 413 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 4: out what you're doing with the tight end position. H 414 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 4: you probably could use another big time receiver, you know, 415 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 4: or you set it back. 416 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:37,719 Speaker 3: What do you do with JK. Dobbins. 417 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 4: Let's say Dobbins he's not going to come back and 418 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 4: play Saturday, I don't think. 419 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 3: And let's just say the Bills win. So what do 420 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 3: you do with JK? JK. 421 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 4: Dobbins was a difference maker for this team, and his 422 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 4: injury and subsequent loss I think was huge. I said 423 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 4: it at the time, if do you bring him back? 424 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 4: And if so, what what's the money look like? I mean, 425 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 4: there are things that every single team has to deal with, 426 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 4: but I think it's a hell of a lot better 427 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 4: dealing with it when you're fourteen and three, no matter 428 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 4: what happens, Well. 429 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 2: What would you say if they lose this game. 430 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 4: Bring in a veteran defensive lineman. Well, I would say 431 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 4: that at a good price, you know, the best. We'll 432 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 4: probably with the best hands in the league. But yeah, no, 433 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 4: I would say this obviously based off of how they lose. 434 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 4: And you know, if you look at this roster and 435 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 4: how they've competed this year, technically, the only holes you 436 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 4: could say are now they obviously be a long term 437 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 4: tight end and they need to they need to figure 438 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 4: out what they're doing in running back because obviously RJ. Harvey, 439 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 4: they're going most teams in the league it's going to 440 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 4: be a two back system all over the place. I 441 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 4: think the issue is if you lose Vance Joseph, things 442 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 4: get scary around here because you saw how important his 443 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 4: scheme is. And just from a defensive place, on another 444 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 4: good defense, what Dvance does? We talk about tilts and 445 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 4: you know, don't talk about that all. You never know 446 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 4: where the pressure is coming from, and so it makes 447 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 4: it you don't know where to slide the offensive line 448 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 4: to block because Vance sends pressure from everywhere. So my 449 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 4: biggest thing would be do anything possible to keep vance 450 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 4: Joseph and make him the highest paid coordinator in the league, 451 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 4: because I think he's more important to this team than 452 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 4: anybody could ever actually realize. 453 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: Well, I don't think anbody's going to dispute that in 454 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: the studio, but if he gets a promotion, it's kind 455 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 1: of hard to match that much. 456 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 5: Yes, And do you want him to go get a promotion. 457 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 5: I want him to go get a promotion, and I 458 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 5: want to see him go be a head coach again. 459 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: So then then it really kind of becomes for just 460 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: a moment, it becomes do you have somebody on the 461 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: staff that could lean in on the scheme? 462 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 5: Jimmy Leonard probably, I would assume that. 463 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 4: It would probably be the leader in the clubhouse in 464 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 4: terms of replacing Dance. 465 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,880 Speaker 5: And I know about Jimmy Lennard because being from Wisconsin, 466 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 5: jim Leonards of Wisconsin legend, you know what I mean. 467 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:09,199 Speaker 5: And he's improved the team's everywhere he has gone, and 468 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 5: it's only a matter of time before he gets the 469 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 5: shot being a decordinator. 470 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 1: Well, he had been the other day saying that Dallas 471 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: might try to poach him, So then it would be 472 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: a little bit of an interesting situation because then do 473 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: you try to Because even Advance when he got here, 474 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: he tried to ride that balance between Vic's system and 475 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: his system, like he tried to find some kind of 476 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,919 Speaker 1: happy medium, and then it obviously didn't work great for 477 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: the team because they had the Dolphins game, which is 478 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: the seventy burger, and then he said, okay, scrapping that, 479 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 1: we're going to go do my thing, and. 480 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 2: They got better, They got a lot better. 481 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: So do you ride that balance of trying to stay 482 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: with what's working or do you just bring in somebody 483 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: that's going to do their own thing with the players 484 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 1: you have in place. 485 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, I look at it maybe a little bit differently. 486 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 4: I think Vans for any system, he wanted to keep 487 00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:00,439 Speaker 4: the terminology similar for the guys, which is common in 488 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 4: the league. 489 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 3: But Vance was running his system. 490 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 4: He was just running it with you know, not some 491 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 4: of the guys that are here this year here when 492 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 4: he was trying to do it. I just don't I mean, 493 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 4: I think they have made some really great acquisite when 494 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 4: you stop and think in the last two years, look 495 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 4: at the Broncos defense this year and in the last 496 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 4: two years, you have Brandon Jones, you have Talanoa Hufunga, 497 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 4: you have Drake Greenlaw, you have John Franklin Myers. 498 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 3: Who else am I missing here? 499 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 4: In the last two years You've got I thought I 500 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 4: thought I had Malcolm Roach. Researched Malcolm Roach in two years. 501 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 4: You have six basic starters this year for the Broncos 502 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 4: that have come on the defensive side of the football 503 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 4: in the last two years. That's one of the big 504 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 4: reasons why they're playing the way they're playing. 505 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 1: One hundred percent. So I was looking at this very quickly. 506 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 1: Before we get Rod Smith in. You know how we 507 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: keep saying you gonna run the ball. He gets Buffalo. 508 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 3: Jonah Elis, even though he's not a starter someone. 509 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 2: No, that's good. 510 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, they brought they only've added a lot of talent 511 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: specific to the scheme. 512 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 2: Sure right, yep. So that's where it's the question of, like, 513 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 2: specific to the scheme, do. 514 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 1: You bring in somebody that's going to plug in and 515 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: be that or do you say, hey, listen, we have 516 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 1: all this talent. 517 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 2: Do what you got to do with it. 518 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 5: So I've always believed that you got to run your scheme. 519 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 5: It's hard to run somebody else's scheme. Like as a coach, 520 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 5: there's not many coaches out there to run what Vance does. 521 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 3: That's Vance's scheme. 522 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 5: So just what the exotic looks you get like that's 523 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 5: all called in the moment. That's what makes the scheme 524 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 5: is Vance. You know the play calling and certain situations 525 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 5: and you know, you see the playmaking abilities, see them 526 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 5: getting home. That's part of the scheme. And so when 527 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 5: you bring somebody else in, you could try to run 528 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 5: the same defense, but it's not going to be the 529 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 5: same scheme because you lost the scheme color. So I'm 530 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 5: a big believer of you just have to start new. 531 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 5: And like we saw in Denver years after, you know, 532 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 5: years after Super Bowl, they tried to stick with a 533 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 5: three to four even though that wasn't necessarily when Vance 534 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 5: came in, that wasn't necessarily what he runs. But then 535 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 5: Vic came through and then obviously it was great. You 536 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 5: gotta let these coaches run their schemes. It's not like 537 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 5: you can't control them and try to tell them, hey, 538 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 5: you know, let's like telling Jim Schwartz, hey, we know 539 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,400 Speaker 5: you love to run an attack three four to three, 540 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 5: but come here and team come coaches read three four 541 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 5: it's just that it wouldn't be a fit. And I 542 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 5: think you got to just go whoever you decide to hire, 543 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 5: whoever is going to Yeah, I love Jimmy, Yeah, I 544 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 5: love Jenny. 545 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 4: I think there's a pretty good chance he might be 546 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 4: the next head coach of the Brown Do you believe them? 547 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 4: I think so. I think there's a pretty good chance 548 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 4: that he's in the mix. 549 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 5: I wouldn't be mad at that. I wouldn't be mad 550 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 5: at that. He's a defensive genius. 551 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 2: Look at you, lighten up a little bit. 552 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's my guy, you know what I mean. We 553 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 5: have such a great de sure respect for each other 554 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 5: and being two veterans in the game, of course, and 555 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 5: I'm always happy to see former coaches make it and 556 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 5: become head coaches again and stuff like that. But I'm 557 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 5: a big believer in whoever you hire, run their scheme. 558 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 5: Don't try to hold onto something from years prior. 559 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: It's so tough when you're a very good and you're 560 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: very good at that side of the ball. Right coming 561 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 1: off of the Super Bowl, the Broncos defense was obviously 562 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: one of the elite units currently one of the elite 563 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: units here in the league, and it would be sort 564 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: of a difficult thing, especially if you have a lot 565 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 1: of turnover there. Just before we get Rod Smith in here, 566 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: I didn't realize what a difference the Buffalo defense is 567 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: when it comes to their passing yards per game versus 568 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: rushing yards per game. 569 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 5: Do you know? 570 00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, off the top of your head, 571 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 4: number one against the pass they are, and they're ranked 572 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 4: I believe twenty eighth against the rush. 573 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 3: Good for you. 574 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 2: Wait, I hadn't even gotten that far. 575 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 3: I don't think I've started my preps for the game. 576 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 1: But that to know that off the top of your 577 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 1: head without having in front of you, that's impressive. 578 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred. 579 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: And fifty six yards passing per game given up, which 580 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: is first, and then one hundred and thirty six almost 581 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 1: like even right in twenty eighth in the league. So 582 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 1: when we say run the ball against Buffalo, not really 583 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: just a quick, QUICKI line is it? 584 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 3: But here? 585 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 4: No, it isn't. Here's the thing. Are they going to 586 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 4: do that? And can they run it efficiently for four 587 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 4: quarters against the defense that statistically would say they're not 588 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 4: very good against the run. And I think that's a 589 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 4: legitimate question. I think Broncos fans getting ready for the 590 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 4: game Saturday. When this game starts. If the Broncos can 591 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 4: run the ball in an efficient way, then I think. 592 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 3: They're going to have control of the game. 593 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: What if we went like old school triple option, you know, 594 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: wing t got you know, bonicks out there to multiple 595 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: running backs, full back, and we just lined up and 596 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: went right at him army style. 597 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 2: Could you do that in the NFL? 598 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 4: No, No, you get you get your brains beat out, 599 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 4: you get your backs killed. 600 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 2: That's a commitment to the rud though, right. 601 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 4: No, that's a commitment to getting the coach fired straight 602 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 4: goal line every play. 603 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, right, right. 604 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 5: These defensive players are too strong, yeah, too fast. A 605 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 5: gain of negative two. 606 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 2: That is a commitment to the run. That's all I'm saying. 607 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 2: But yeah, no, you're not. You're not going to do that. 608 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: To your point, and it needs to be stressed. Sean 609 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: does want to pass the ball like that's who he is. 610 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: Bonus is the most passing attempts in the league. 611 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 4: This year, stressed to Broncos fans. He threw the ball 612 00:29:55,200 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 4: more than any quarterback in football. Now the checkdowns, but yeah, 613 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 4: but still, I mean he's growing it that much. He's 614 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 4: calling I mean, it's just not in his nature. Hey, 615 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 4: we'll see, We'll see Saturday. I mean, Jacksonville had a 616 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 4: pretty good running attack this year, and I thought they 617 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 4: had some success against the Bills running the football. But 618 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 4: the issue, I mean, they turned the ball over a 619 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 4: couple of times and at the end of the day 620 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 4: they scored twenty four points and it still was enough 621 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 4: at home with. 622 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 3: A good defense. So I'm I'm. 623 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 4: Really interested to see what the game plan looks like 624 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 4: for the Broncos. And you'll see it in the first, 625 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 4: you know, couple two or three series. 626 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 5: I hope it's run the ball, you know, and then 627 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 5: go back to the huddle, run the ball, and then 628 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 5: go back to the huddle, and then run the ball again. 629 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 5: At his playoff football and I and I'm not saying, 630 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 5: I'm not going to say like Ryan going to goal line, 631 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 5: but you need to establish the run this game and 632 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 5: that will open up the pass. 633 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 4: Listen, I don't disagree, but in order to have that mindset, 634 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 4: you have to have some success when you're run. You 635 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 4: can't run it and be second and nine and then 636 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 4: run it again and be third and seven. I mean, 637 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 4: you have to have some success running also. 638 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 5: With the run though, then you get another extension of 639 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 5: the run game. It's the screen game and other things 640 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 5: like that. So the Broncos can just get second and 641 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 5: manageable second. Second and four that's the goal. Second and five, 642 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,959 Speaker 5: second and four. Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean. 643 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 5: If you can get five six yards a pop, you 644 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 5: know what I mean, that's the winning formula. 645 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 2: Ross Smith joins his next