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Speaker 1: It's morning now, day after the super Bowl, and uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: not much to say there.

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Speaker 2: We lost.

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Speaker 1: I had a bad feeling going into it, but I

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Speaker 1: had hope. I had hoped that the Patriots were going

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Speaker 1: to win, and they did not. And that's the bad news.

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Speaker 1: The good news is had a great time, great super

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Speaker 1: Bowl party. I'm sorry there was no podcast on Friday.

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Speaker 1: I just can't dictate things that happened. You know, I

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Speaker 1: had a haircut scheduled. You know, I'm weird, you know

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Speaker 1: my bullshit, and so I had stuff to do after

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Speaker 1: the show or any back calls in.

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Speaker 2: I had commercials to produce.

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Speaker 1: Blah blah, blah blah. If it's not a podcast just now,

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Speaker 1: it's not by choice. I love doing an after show,

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Speaker 1: I really do. I love all of you that listen

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Speaker 1: or like a or an army, the after show army.

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Speaker 1: So when I can't, I am sorry. But I have

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Speaker 1: good news because today I have a guest.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people have been dming me since the

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Speaker 1: last few months when I've been doing the podcast by

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Speaker 1: myself and requesting guests from my life right, whether that's

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Speaker 1: my wife or my friends or you know, people that

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Speaker 1: I talk about on the show on the podcast, and so.

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Speaker 2: I've been trying to do that.

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Speaker 1: I've been trying to get my wife on, but she's

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Speaker 1: just first of all, she works during the day, so

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Speaker 1: it's hard for her. She's a manager at her company,

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Speaker 1: so she has all these meetings and stuff, so it's

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Speaker 1: hard to get her. One day, I will. But I

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Speaker 1: do have a friend named Alan, the plumber that we've

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Speaker 1: talked about many times on the show, dear friend of mine.

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Speaker 1: He's usually the one that comes over and fixes things

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Speaker 1: at my house. He's very nice to do that. But

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Speaker 1: he's been a long time friend and I asked him

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Speaker 1: to come on and he said yes, And here he

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Speaker 1: is right now. Welcome to the podcast. I'll pull up

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Speaker 1: right to the microphone. Go ahead, say hello, Hey, what's up?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Is this your first time ever talking into a mic?

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Speaker 2: First time? Yeah? Is it? I mean? I think so? Really,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever sang into a mic?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: I mean I've screamed into a microphone.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but we'll get to that. Don't worry, don't So.

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Speaker 1: Alan is married to Brooke. They have a daughter named Sage. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so Alan and I go way back years. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: go through the whole history. But currently Alan and his

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Speaker 1: wife Brooke are my wife and I's dear friends, very

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Speaker 1: good friends. And then Sage his daughter. How old is

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Speaker 2: She's eight, she's eight.

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Speaker 1: Is very good friends with Gemma, who's almost four. They're

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Speaker 1: very good friends. So Al's always over my house, not

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Speaker 1: just fixing things, but always over my house. We're hanging out,

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Speaker 1: and you know, that's why I decided to have you

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Speaker 1: on to get some to get some stories, and to

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Speaker 1: of you because people care.

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Speaker 2: About that stuff. No, I don't know. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Well they will after this because you're an interesting person.

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Speaker 1: That's why I love you. So first, before we get started,

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Speaker 1: you listen to this podcast I am I do, which

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Speaker 1: is really a nice thing. I think you're the only

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Speaker 1: one of my friends that listens. I think, so, yeah,

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Speaker 1: why would you think that they've never brought it up?

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Speaker 1: Any of my friends have never brought it up. They

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Speaker 1: never They've never brought up anything that I talked about

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Speaker 2: It's you.

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Speaker 1: This is the thing is the kiss Morning Show, the

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Speaker 1: Billy and Lisa Show, and then the Maddie Show before that.

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Speaker 1: Primarily women listen. So what happens is a friend of mine,

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Speaker 1: whoever a guy, will say, oh yeah, my wife was

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Speaker 1: telling me that you were talking about this. It's never

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean I like the app because I think

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Speaker 2: I think that you put on a good show. Oh

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Speaker 2: tell me more.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I think that you put on a good show.

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Speaker 3: And I like the app because I can fast forward

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Speaker 2: To the music.

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Speaker 3: Right, which are the two things that I dislike the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to know a fun fact. And my

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Speaker 1: love it. We do love the music, right, Like it's

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Speaker 1: pop music. You know, it's universal, and I love all music,

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Speaker 1: including the music that we play. But you know, the boss, obviously,

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Speaker 1: Boston's number one hit music station.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what's going on the headphones?

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Speaker 3: Then?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, do put the fucking headphones on?

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Speaker 2: I feel like if I have the headphones on, it's

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Speaker 1: It's fucking win. Okay, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: Right, it's it's fucking win.

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Speaker 3: And so it's like I want to have the I

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Speaker 2: Okay, you don't have to be locked into the headphones.

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Speaker 2: It's strange.

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Speaker 1: I'm a little nervous about some feedback, but I don't

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Speaker 2: Oh if I get too close, if you get too close.

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Speaker 2: But where you are right now, it's perfect. Can you

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Speaker 2: hear me? Yes, I can hear you perfect? Okay. Do

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Speaker 2: you want me to talk loud or I can talk.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at your levels now, and I think you're good,

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Speaker 1: all right, I think you're good. Okay, So wherehere are we?

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Speaker 1: You listen on the app? Yes, and you like it

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Speaker 1: So the ball will have meetings and they'll say, you know,

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Speaker 1: you need to own the music. Right where Boston's number

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Speaker 1: the music. And we do a lot of music centric

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Speaker 1: It's nice to music is there, you know, But you know,

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Speaker 1: We're going to get into that too, no worry. So

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Speaker 1: you listen to the appter Show, which is good, and

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Speaker 3: Hello, justin it sig and Alan speaking.

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Speaker 1: Look at that teaching her to use the talkbacks at

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: So Alan, you are from North Andover God's Country, born

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Speaker 1: and raised. Okay, I met you. I believe it was

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Speaker 1: two thousand and nine. Now, if you listen to this podcast,

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Speaker 1: No, because I got clean in two thousand and eight,

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Speaker 1: You have changed a lot. But back then, nobody even

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Speaker 2: You were very angry. I was on drugs.

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Speaker 1: I I want to say that I've always had this

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Speaker 1: I've always had that quality. I've tried to have that quality,

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Speaker 1: like stick up with the kids that are getting bullied,

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Speaker 1: So I started talking to you, and uh, and you

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Speaker 2: You know, you were strung out on drugs like bad.

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Speaker 2: I enjoyed. I enjoyed the drugs, right.

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Speaker 1: But even what's funny is that I I remember seeing

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Speaker 3: Well, they had told me that I had a band

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Speaker 3: What happened was is I was at Danvers Detox, right,

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Speaker 3: Why fucking now, dude, But real talk, right, have you

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Speaker 3: Well, I hear you in hindsight, Yeah, hindsight, I mean

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Speaker 1: So I've never been to those places. I only got

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Speaker 2: Right. It's just all routine, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you get out and you have to

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Speaker 1: right when you get out? Right now, did you have

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Speaker 3: In presents, feel like I had like intention to like

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Five years?

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Speaker 3: Well it was it was three and then I got

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00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,119
Speaker 3: extradited to New Hampshire, so it was like three and

439
00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:20,720
Speaker 3: a half years.

440
00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,160
Speaker 1: Okay, so towards the end of that, you're in New Hampshire,

441
00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,560
Speaker 1: you're coming to the end. You're in your you know,

442
00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,719
Speaker 1: final couple of months. You have a release date in

443
00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:32,080
Speaker 1: your mind. Are you thinking like when I hit the street,

444
00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:33,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to go to a meeting or I'm gonna

445
00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:34,360
Speaker 1: stay clean?

446
00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:35,840
Speaker 2: Well, I went to a program.

447
00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,399
Speaker 3: So when I was in Conquered, before they ship me out,

448
00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,680
Speaker 3: before New Hampshire got me, I got a security bed

449
00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,560
Speaker 3: in a program. But that was like my fucking life

450
00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:48,199
Speaker 3: forever was like just go to programs and like I

451
00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,320
Speaker 3: just thought that like it was gonna like happen. No,

452
00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,359
Speaker 3: Like I just thought like I would just show up

453
00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:57,040
Speaker 3: enough and like throw osmosis. I would just like you know,

454
00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:00,680
Speaker 3: be granted a car and a job and to live,

455
00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:04,040
Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, and so yeah, I did have the intention.

456
00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:05,679
Speaker 3: So when I got out of it, when I got out

457
00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,639
Speaker 3: of New Hampshire, I went I had I went to

458
00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:13,320
Speaker 3: a program in Westboro, Spectrum, Spectrum they had just so

459
00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,439
Speaker 3: I went there because they had the RP that was

460
00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:20,760
Speaker 3: like a co ed program. And my whole like intention

461
00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,120
Speaker 3: was like I'm going to go to Spectrum's RP and

462
00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,240
Speaker 3: I'm going to chase hood rats, all right because it

463
00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,240
Speaker 3: was co ed, all right, Like I haven't seen a

464
00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,840
Speaker 3: woman in three and a half years. I'm going here,

465
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,680
Speaker 3: all right, And that's what I'm So that was really

466
00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,919
Speaker 3: my intention. Sobriety was on the back burner to that.

467
00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,320
Speaker 3: But what had happened was is they had made like

468
00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:46,520
Speaker 3: this new facility that had opened, uh that where everything

469
00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,960
Speaker 3: was segregated again. So I went there, so no chicks,

470
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,520
Speaker 3: no checks, no movement, they changed like the funding.

471
00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,560
Speaker 2: I couldn't even get to a halfway house from there.

472
00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,399
Speaker 3: So I was just kind of like because what happened

473
00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,240
Speaker 3: was I secured the bed when I was in conquered,

474
00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,600
Speaker 3: but then New Hampshire got me, and so in that

475
00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,520
Speaker 3: period of time that I had to wait for my

476
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:08,840
Speaker 3: sins to expire, in New Hampshire, their whole like funding

477
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,600
Speaker 3: structure changed, so it went from being like a holding

478
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,159
Speaker 3: to like a program of its own. Okay, so like

479
00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 3: it didn't offer anything else. So I just kind of

480
00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,520
Speaker 3: got stuck there in the limbo, and like I was there,

481
00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,719
Speaker 3: I couldn't go like outside or get a job, and

482
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 3: so like I just went there and I was just

483
00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,199
Speaker 3: like stuck with this fucking prison mentality.

484
00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,040
Speaker 2: They threw me out due of course.

485
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,040
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, but we should explain to people that

486
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,399
Speaker 1: you when you say New Hampshire grabbed you, you had

487
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,679
Speaker 1: open cases in New Hampshire. Yeah, and so when you

488
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:40,080
Speaker 1: finish your sentence in Massachusetts, New Hampshire's like, whoa wait

489
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,280
Speaker 1: a minute, you got some warranty are so they come

490
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 1: and get you. Yeah, that's what they do, which sucks

491
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,200
Speaker 1: because you had no idea. Right, I knew it was there, but.

492
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,119
Speaker 3: You didn't because that case that case was I didn't

493
00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 3: because that case was from two thousand and twenty ten.

494
00:21:58,600 --> 00:21:59,639
Speaker 2: But it didn't pop up.

495
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,880
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Well I had done other sentences before that

496
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,120
Speaker 3: indictment and it never came up.

497
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 2: All right.

498
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,199
Speaker 3: I saw the parole board like during that indictment and

499
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,160
Speaker 3: it never came up. And then it was like literally

500
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 3: within the last like forty five days of that sentence,

501
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 3: a re entry came and I was like, oh, I'm

502
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 3: going I got to bed in this program, and they're like, yeah,

503
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,680
Speaker 3: hold up, we got another program for them.

504
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 2: So they sent me there.

505
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,200
Speaker 3: Spectrum kept my bed and I went there, but the

506
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 3: whole structure was fucked up by the time I got there.

507
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 1: So you had some intention of staying clean, but you

508
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 1: had other intentions as well, and so you did the program,

509
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 1: got out hit the street and stay clean at all?

510
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,200
Speaker 3: No, No, okay, I mean like like realistically, like no,

511
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,960
Speaker 3: not at all. But in my mind at the time,

512
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,119
Speaker 3: I was clean because I was like only smoking.

513
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,400
Speaker 2: Weed or like what they call it, sealthy sober. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

514
00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 2: California so California sober. Yeah. I was taking mad Johnny's.

515
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,160
Speaker 2: I was on the Southeast.

516
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 1: You have to explain what that is. Neuron's a medication

517
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 1: give given for nerve pain.

518
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 2: But well it's like an umbrella thing.

519
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, but when taken in high amounts, it can get

520
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 1: you messed up. Those are before my time. I never

521
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,439
Speaker 1: took them. They came out after I got clean. They

522
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 1: got real popular. Yeah, but you hear them a lot,

523
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 1: and like people in halfway houses, Yeah, take the john

524
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 1: Do they test for those?

525
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 2: There is a test, but it's like dumb expensive.

526
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, like you can get away with getting hot.

527
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 3: So if they get tipped off that the house is

528
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 3: like lit up on them, they'll they'll pay for the test,

529
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:34,400
Speaker 3: right yeah.

530
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so then take me to the end. They'll

531
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 1: take me to when you finally get clean. Oh the

532
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 1: bitter end, dude, it was really bitter end. The bitter

533
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 1: end was rugged.

534
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 3: I ended up in Lowell And so the time that

535
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 3: I was away, all right was like the introduction of fentanyl. Yes, okay, yeah,

536
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 3: And so what had happened was I was away and

537
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 3: like everyone was dying, all right. It was fucking crazy,

538
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 3: Like drugs would hit the block and people were like

539
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 3: overdosing on the blocks in prison.

540
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 2: In prison, all right, you would see the move team

541
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 2: go in and.

542
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 3: It was because there would just be like a mass

543
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 3: overdose on a block.

544
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 1: And let me guess, in there you were like, I

545
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,120
Speaker 1: want to give a hands on this. Oh dude, that's

546
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 1: how it sounds crazy to people that are listening.

547
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 3: Well, because like, dude, the whole thing is, it's like

548
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 3: you would get like one like set of works, all right,

549
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 3: you'd have like one doctor works, all right, like a syringe, right,

550
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 3: and everybody. I remember, we got a bunch of drugs

551
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 3: and we were waiting on the works. And the guy

552
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 3: came back from from getting the ship. He went to

553
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 3: like med call and got met up with some kid

554
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 3: over there, and so we're waiting on the works and

555
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,439
Speaker 3: the guys, I'm gonna go first, so all right, go ahead.

556
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 2: So he goes and he dies, all right.

557
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 3: So now we're locked down, all right, And like the

558
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 3: thing that we were most upset about was that we

559
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,919
Speaker 3: just couldn't like slam these drugs. You know, we had

560
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 3: to like sniff the drugs, like what the fuck?

561
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 2: Right, that's the insanity. Yeah.

562
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 3: But so the bitter end it was, I went and uh.

563
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 2: I was away for the fucking Fennel thing.

564
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 3: Everybody was dying, all right, and I didn't really know

565
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 3: like the severity of it, like when I got back,

566
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 3: all right, And so I was in Lowell.

567
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 2: I ended up.

568
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 3: I was running around loll and like I just kept overdosing,

569
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 3: you know. I would go, I would kind of keep

570
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 3: my shit together and just like take Johnny's or like

571
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 3: smoke weed or like recreationally like blackout drink, you know,

572
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 3: and then I would come up on some drugs like

573
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 3: every now and again, and like every time, I would

574
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 3: like overdose, and I just kept thinking it was a fluke.

575
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 2: And then.

576
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 3: I started like working. I was like roofing. So I

577
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 3: got some money. And my school of thought was like,

578
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 3: all right, I can just shoot cocaine. I'll be all

579
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 3: right if I shoot cocaine. But like the thing is

580
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,919
Speaker 3: is like I would need the landing gear, and so

581
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 3: I ended up just getting strung out.

582
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 2: Anyway, you have to explain what landing gear ised.

583
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 3: I would need the heroine to come down off of

584
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 3: the cocaine because I'd be so spun out and like

585
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 3: I couldn't drink because my stomach would just be a

586
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 3: nots from all the cocaine.

587
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: And the cocaine gets you up, yes, and then the

588
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: landing I get it landing from. Otherwise, if you don't

589
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: have that, you're just up and miserable. Sketched out you

590
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: are grumpy. Yes, you're already grumpy, oh dude, but add that.

591
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm on edge, dude. All right. So whatever, since

592
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 2: I was doing that, I ended up in no time.

593
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 3: I got strung out. I got to have it again

594
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 3: and then I went on a run. When I was

595
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 3: on that run.

596
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 2: I took.

597
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 3: My fine like I've overdosed and shit, but like I

598
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 3: took my final one and like when they revived me,

599
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 3: there was like no doubt in my mind that like

600
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 3: I was dead. You know, I was in the back

601
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 3: the ambulance. I was super cold, super super cold, and

602
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 3: it was it was it was August.

603
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: No, I know, I'm trying to think about it, like

604
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 1: your mental So, so you get high, you go out,

605
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 1: you black out? Right, are you awake in the ambulance

606
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 1: when they.

607
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 3: So what happened was is I was in Lawrence and

608
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 3: I went into this alley and I did the ship.

609
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 2: And like I had put it all away, and I

610
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 2: got up and I took two steps.

611
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 3: I was like in a bush, dude, And I took

612
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 3: like two steps out and I went down like behind

613
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 3: a dumpster somewhere, and like fucking somebody, some stranger just

614
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 3: saw like a body in the alley and called the police.

615
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 2: All right, and so they came. They thought it was

616
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 2: fucking dead, and they knocked at me. They brought me back.

617
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 3: And so yeah, it's dumb cold in the back of

618
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 3: the thing, and like I felt like my head was

619
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 3: underwater from like like the ship that like I could hear.

620
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,679
Speaker 3: It sounded like my head was underwater, and it was

621
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 3: like in the back of that ambulance. It was like

622
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 3: obviously it was a figurative fork in the road, but

623
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 3: it was like so like real that it was like

624
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 3: a literal fork in the road.

625
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 2: And it was like I hit this point in my

626
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 2: life where it was like I can.

627
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 3: Either continue to do what I'm doing and I'm certainly

628
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 3: going to die, you know what I mean, or I

629
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 3: can just you know, get into the program and fucking

630
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 3: give that sh I literally had nothing to lose and

631
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 3: everything to gain.

632
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 2: And it was like at that.

633
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 3: Moment that was like a real, like come to Jesus

634
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 3: moment where it was like, uh, like.

635
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 2: I'm fucking scared to die, you know.

636
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 3: And it's like you know, you go out, you run

637
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 3: around and you're like, I ain't scared to die.

638
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 2: Ain't scared another.

639
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 3: And it was like at that moment, like like on

640
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 3: the brink of death, like I realized like.

641
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 2: All right, dude, like I'm fucking scared. I actually do

642
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 2: not want to die. No, all right, and like everything

643
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 2: all at once.

644
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 3: It was like, you know, I had my son at

645
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 3: the time, and it was like, is this the fucking

646
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 3: legacy that like I want to like leave for my

647
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 3: fucking son, like your dad died in a fucking alley

648
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 3: behind a dombstudy And it was like that was another

649
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 3: lie I always told myself, like these years in prison,

650
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 3: is it's like is it's like fucking because like I

651
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 3: would like fucking rob and like steal and like I

652
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 3: was just.

653
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 2: Like a fucking thug.

654
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: Do you do what we do?

655
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 3: That was like the lie that like I told myself that,

656
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 3: like fucking if I just did this, like fucking I

657
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 3: was like like a real tough guy type of shit,

658
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?

659
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: And uh, well, it's it really shows all let me

660
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: probably that it really shows that you know, we tend

661
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: to hide behind this identity, if you will, right, And

662
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: so the identity is like I don't give a fuck,

663
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: I'm only hurting myself, right, But then really when you

664
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: think about it, which sounds like the moment that you

665
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: had was Never mind the tough guy shit or anything

666
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: like that. I have a son and I have a family,

667
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: and actually I do kind of care well my legacy's

668
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: gonna be you know, those are like to come to

669
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: Jesus moments that happens to us in the bitter ends.

670
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 3: No, absolutely, yeah, you know, and so uh whatever, I

671
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 3: fucking they probably in the fucking hospital.

672
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: They got me a bed back in.

673
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 3: Danvers fucking Detox for the fucking ten thousandth time.

674
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 2: But you're not banned anymore. No, that was only a

675
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 2: band ran out. That was only a six month ban.

676
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 3: And so uh, I mean by the time this happened,

677
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 3: this was years later, eight years, seven years later, and

678
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 3: so I'm back in Denvers Detox, and uh I had

679
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 3: like a bed right next to the bathroom, six man room.

680
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 3: All the fucking springs in my bed had been like

681
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 3: fucking taken out. So I was like in this fucking taco,

682
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 3: you know. I laid in the bed and the whole

683
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 3: mattress like it sunk, and the whole mattress wrapped around me.

684
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 3: And I remember like laying there and like praying you know,

685
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 3: like sincerely, like rare, without like an expectation, you know.

686
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 3: And I just remember like thanking like a higher power

687
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 3: for like a second chance of life, you know. And

688
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 3: so like from that, like I went and like I

689
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 3: had literally nothing to lose and everything to gain. So

690
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 3: from that, I really tried to jump in with both

691
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 3: feet and get what I could out of that detox.

692
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: Like I wasn't there trying to like sniff well beautrin

693
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: or like, yeah, that doesn't feel good.

694
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 2: I've done that before, like sniff and glass. It's pretty rough,

695
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 2: pretty hard, doesn't even do anything now. It's bad. It's bad, yeah,

696
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: And so I.

697
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 3: Wasn't like trying to do that because like it's not

698
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 3: like what it does. It's like what like and obviously

699
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 3: like I.

700
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 2: Learned it, but it's not like what it does.

701
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 3: It's like what are you looking to achieve? Right, you know,

702
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 3: So it's not the actual effect that you get off.

703
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 3: It's like why the fuck am I doing this in

704
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 3: the first place? And so I wasn't doing that, and

705
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 3: I wasn't like I didn't have any ulterior motives. Like

706
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 3: my mo of was just to get my fucking shit together,

707
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 3: you know. And I went to fucking aftercare. Same thing

708
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,959
Speaker 3: I went to aftercare. I wasn't trying to fucking hustle

709
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 3: the poker game.

710
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 2: Mm.

711
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you did things different y right. Do you

712
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: ever hear me share and I talk about the opposite club?

713
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:15,719
Speaker 1: You hear me talk about that?

714
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 2: I mean probably? Yeah.

715
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: Well, in recovery, they have what's called the no matter

716
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: what club. It's like this cliche thing, right, we don't

717
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: use no matter what, no matter what's going on. And

718
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: that's cool. But then for me, it was like I

719
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: had to join the opposite club, which is another cliche thing,

720
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: and what that means is my whole life. Just like you,

721
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: I did things my way. I didn't want to do

722
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: things like fucking ask for help and sit up front

723
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: in a meeting or get a sponsor or all these things.

724
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: But this last time I had this like come to

725
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: Jesus moment where I'm like, well, what I'm doing is

726
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: not working, So what if I did the opposite of

727
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: what I've always done? So I literally did the opposite

728
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: of every single thing, and it worked. I went to meetings,

729
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: I reached out for help, I did all that stuff.

730
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: Prayed I never prayed before, and it worked. So I

731
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: think that. That's how I used to say to people

732
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: like in treatment or jail, when I go speak, I

733
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: talk about me in the opposite club, you know, because

734
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: that's what we need to do. And you just described

735
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: her right there. You didn't sniff the well. Buttrin, you

736
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: didn't play the card games, you didn't try to hustle.

737
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: You probably didn't try to sleep with girls. Maybe you did,

738
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: I don't know you did, right, you did the opposite,

739
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: you know. Okay, so you get clean and you meet Brooke,

740
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: who's your wife?

741
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 3: Now, well I met her technically, I met her when

742
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 3: I was in spectrum.

743
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 2: I sent her a letta. So did I ever tell

744
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:36,239
Speaker 2: you this?

745
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: I think you did so.

746
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

747
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: So Brooke is a girl from Boston, also in recovery. Yes,

748
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: and I sent her a letta.

749
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 2: She never wrote back. Yeah.

750
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 3: I sent her a letter with the picture. She never

751
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,959
Speaker 3: wrote back. Yeah. But yeah, I got my shit together.

752
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 3: And it was when I got like out of loll

753
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 3: you know. I went to Lull and I was running

754
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 3: around there for a while, and then inevitably I just

755
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 3: ended up.

756
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 2: I always ended up back in Lawrence, you know.

757
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 3: And I reconnected with her when I went back to Lawrence.

758
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 3: And so that whole time that like I was like roofing,

759
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 3: and like I took that fucking I went on that run,

760
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 3: like she was putting up with my bullshit at that time.

761
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 3: You're lucky she stayed, no, I know, and and she

762
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 3: was fucking, you know, real committed to like her own

763
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 3: program and her own sobriety, you know. And so I

764
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 3: am like real fortunate that she fucking stuck around. You know,

765
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 3: I don't really know what she saw, so I really

766
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 3: brought anything to the table.

767
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 2: So together you have stage daughter, and then you got married. Yeah,

768
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 2: what did you get married? How was at your wedding

769
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 2: nineteen nineteen?

770
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I came to your wedding, and man, so

771
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: much has happened since you've since you've been clean for sure,

772
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: think about that, right, children? Marriage license?

773
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 2: Yeah?

774
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 3: Well, I mean it truly is like a second chance

775
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 3: at life, because it's like all these things that like

776
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 3: I really like rode off and I thought were like impossible.

777
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 3: And then you know that they say it like if

778
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 3: you make a list of everything that you on, like

779
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 3: you will far exceed that list, and it's like fucking

780
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 3: sounds stupid when like.

781
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 2: It's another cliche thing.

782
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 3: It's a weirk cliche thing and it sounds stupid, like

783
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 3: when you just like have nothing and you are staring

784
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 3: down the barrel at like all these fucking problems. You know,

785
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 3: you don't really you think all that shit's unattainable, you know.

786
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, dude, honestly, like my first like

787
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 3: biggest victory I think in like sobriety was when like

788
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 3: I got my driver's license back.

789
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 2: That's a big deal, a big deal. You can't do

790
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 2: anything without an especially when you work in the trades. Well,

791
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 2: and it was like.

792
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 3: I was roofing at the time, so it was like, dude,

793
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 3: fucking roof is a pirates dude, all right, and it's

794
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 3: like you're lucky if there's one valid driver's license like

795
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 3: throughout the crew.

796
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 2: So it was like that was just kind of like

797
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 2: a thing.

798
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 3: It's like I would just get picked up by the

799
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 3: van in the morning and I would go and I

800
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 3: would like risk my life for like twelve dollars an hour,

801
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, on a daily basis, you know,

802
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 3: and I was happy to do it. It like felt nice

803
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 3: to be like self sufficient, you know. But like the

804
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 3: biggest thing was is like you always want to like

805
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 3: strive for you know this, and you and I have

806
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 3: had this talk, like you always want to just like

807
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 3: strive for more, you know what I mean, You never

808
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 3: want to like settle, you know. And and that was

809
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 3: like really where like my mindset was at was so

810
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 3: I roofed, but like I wanted fucking like health insurance,

811
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 3: all right. So I got like another job that gave

812
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 3: me like health insurance, you know. And I did that

813
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 3: for a while, but then it was like I wanted

814
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 3: to do something where like.

815
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 2: I wasn't fucking risking my safety every day. It was brutally.

816
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 2: I saw a guy Dead of Winner.

817
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 3: I was out in Dead of Winner, like this fucking

818
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 3: ice on a roof dude took a stage dive dude,

819
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 3: and he was like fucking fifty five years old dude.

820
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 3: And it's like no, but like he was fucked up

821
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 3: from it, you know. And it's like at that moment,

822
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 3: it's like is this what.

823
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 2: I want my future to be?

824
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 3: And that's when I got in the fucking plumb and

825
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 3: I had been like doing ship with Jay like on the.

826
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 2: Side guy a friend, yes, who owned a plumbing company. Yeah,

827
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 2: well kind of plumber. He did stuff.

828
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, he did stuff, and so I had been doing

829
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 3: stuff with him on the side, and when he got

830
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 3: his license, part of the deal that he made during

831
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 3: his review was like you got to give my friend

832
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 3: an interview because they were on a hiring freeze, and

833
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 3: like honestly, like you know, that changed my life, you know.

834
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 2: And so yeah, so I wanted like more.

835
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 3: I wanted to get a fucking job where I wasn't

836
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 3: like weather dependent and like risking my safety, and like

837
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 3: the plumbing thing fucking presented itself and like it was

838
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 3: uncomfortable because.

839
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 2: I didn't know how to do anything and I didn't

840
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 2: know anybody there, you know.

841
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 3: But I just fell back on the whole thing, like

842
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 3: if it doesn't work out, I can always just go

843
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 3: back to roofing, because it's like with all these like

844
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 3: encounters like just my fucking life and like you know,

845
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 3: is it's like I constantly think about like death, you

846
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 3: know what I mean, And it's like on my deathbed,

847
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 3: like I don't want to like sit there and like

848
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 3: have these fucking regrets.

849
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: Well you also don't want it to say he fell

850
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: off a roof.

851
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 3: No. I used to leave in the morning and I'd

852
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 3: kiss Brooke goodbye. And I'd always tell her. I'd be like,

853
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 3: if I die today, this is because I love you.

854
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, no, But I like that because you

855
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: wanted more, right, you wanted You didn't know what you

856
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: were doing. And guess what, it's the same thing as me.

857
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: When you came into the studio this morning, I gave

858
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: you a tour of the station. You came into my

859
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: studio and I showed you what I do behind the scenes,

860
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: how I get the audio, how I edit audio, all

861
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: that stuff. And you said to me, did you learn

862
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 1: all this here or did like at school? And I said,

863
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 1: I learned zero in school. I learned it all here.

864
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,760
Speaker 2: I showed up to learn about debt. In school, I learned.

865
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: About debt, yeah, definitely, but none of this stuff. I

866
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: learned it all here.

867
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 2: It's the same with you at plumbing, you know what

868
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:28,919
Speaker 2: I mean, Like you didn't know what you were doing.

869
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 2: You just went for it, and now you're a licensed plumber.

870
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 3: Well, dude, So I got that job at Maco, and

871
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 3: I had been used to like working with Jay like

872
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 3: on the side, So I thought, like my job was

873
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 3: just gonna stand there and like cut pieces and like

874
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 3: tell jokes.

875
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 2: I really thought that that's what. Yeah, it's gonna be

876
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:47,720
Speaker 2: my data. You're quite the comedian.

877
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 3: And so what in reality it became was like, dude,

878
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 3: I had to like drill fucking holes through like concrete, dude,

879
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 3: like endlessly that building and mall that I told you

880
00:39:58,760 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 3: about it.

881
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 2: It's just like, uh, two levels of garage and then

882
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 2: an amenity section. So that's three floors that are concrete.

883
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 2: All right.

884
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 3: There are a lot of holes in those floors, I

885
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 3: know because I drilled every.

886
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 2: Single week, all right, and like and like it was

887
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 2: it was brutal. You know.

888
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 3: There were like times like in it where it was

889
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 3: like I really questioned, like did I make the right choice,

890
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 3: you know, because it's like I had done all this

891
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 3: like fucking developed length of time, like in fucking prison

892
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 3: and streets and like all this shit, and.

893
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 2: Like here I am.

894
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 3: I was like thirty three years old at the time,

895
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,439
Speaker 3: and I got some like fucking twenty year old kid

896
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 3: being like.

897
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 2: Dude, what are you fucking stupid? This fucking holes a

898
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:47,479
Speaker 2: quarter inch off?

899
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 3: Like then it's just like, dude, like I will dribble

900
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 3: this kid fucking all the way to fucking Malden Center from.

901
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:59,439
Speaker 1: Here, dude, you know, yeah, you even notice you curse

902
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: a lot I have.

903
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 2: Well, I yeah, I know I do. You don't even

904
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 2: realize it too, I do. I know that I do.

905
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 3: I just I just don't care, you know what I mean,

906
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 3: because like the whole thing is is it's.

907
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 2: Like I feel like it's like camouflage.

908
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 3: I give off this persona like I'm just this ignorant

909
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 3: bag of trash.

910
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 2: You know, hold on.

911
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: You know what's so funny about that, because I was

912
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: going to get to this in our little podcast here

913
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: is you do come off like that, right, But it

914
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: really is camouflage because I know you very well. You're

915
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: a good friend of mine. We have a lot of conversations.

916
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: We do the sauna every night, We spend a lot

917
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: of time together one on one, and you're actually very

918
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: intelligent and very well read, more so than me, Like

919
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: you are. No, you are very smart about anything from

920
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: pop culture to history to anything. You don't even realize it.

921
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: But when we have conversations, and you know, shit, I

922
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 1: there's so many times I'm like wow, like he comes

923
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: off like he's a fucking complete dingbat, you know what

924
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: I mean? But you're really not, like you really you

925
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: really know a lot right.

926
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 3: Well, that's like the whole thing, dude, is It's like

927
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 3: at this point, I don't really give a shit, Like

928
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,280
Speaker 3: I've never really given a fuck about how.

929
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 2: People like, people's perception of me, you know what I mean?

930
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 3: And I always tell people like the guys like because

931
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 3: now like I run work, like at.

932
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: My job, Yeah, you're a boss.

933
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 3: I am a boss, like yeah, call him a big

934
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:34,919
Speaker 3: meet yeah, and so.

935
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: Uh so hold on, think of hold on, stop before

936
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: you hold that thought, right, So let's think about that, Okay,

937
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 1: from what you just said where you came from, all

938
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: the trials and tribulations being locked down, getting out on

939
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: the street, roofing right, getting into plumbing, not knowing what

940
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: you were doing, being an assistant, drilling holes, being told

941
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: what to do, all that stuff. And I don't want

942
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: to just like graze past that that you got a

943
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: plumbing license and now you are essentially a manager yeah

944
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 1: yeah and a pretty big plumbing company.

945
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a foreman. It's cool, you know.

946
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 1: Like you you understand how big that is.

947
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 3: Well, you know what the best thing about this whole

948
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 3: thing is, right, is uh.

949
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 2: Like my dad right, and like, yeah, we didn't talk

950
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 2: about your parents.

951
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 3: My dad like stuck by me like this whole time, right,

952
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:28,399
Speaker 3: and he would come and visit me and he would

953
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 3: send me money, and like, dude, I know that, Like

954
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 3: my dad had just like resigned, like you know, like

955
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 3: like like ah, well, you know, fucking I struck out

956
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 3: with the boy, you know, like fucking like I.

957
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 2: Know, you know. And so.

958
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 3: I remember when I was closing in like all my

959
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 3: schooling and stuff, because like I did have like a

960
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 3: lot of success at my company, like even before I

961
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 3: was licensed, you know. And I remember my dad was

962
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 3: like like, oh, you gotta.

963
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 2: Get your license. You got to get your license. I

964
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 2: know you got it good, but you got to get

965
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 2: the license. What's the point of doing it if you

966
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 2: don't get the license.

967
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 3: And like he's right, but like it was like I

968
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 3: already like had all the benefits of having the license,

969
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 3: with the exception of like being able to like pull

970
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 3: permits and shit, you.

971
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 2: Know what I mean, because you can still work as

972
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 2: a plumber. Yeah.

973
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 3: Yeah's just certain things you can't because I worked for

974
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 3: like a giant company. I can't like now, like I

975
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 3: could go venture out on my own and do it

976
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 3: whatever the fuck I want, I would need a master's

977
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 3: like it's a whole thing. I would need a master's

978
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 3: license if I wanted to like create a company and

979
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 3: have journeymen like work for me. But like with my journeyman,

980
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 3: like I go out and just work like as an

981
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 3: independent like source with like a laborer, you know.

982
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 2: But uh yeah, I remember saying to my dad like

983
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 2: again back to.

984
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 3: Death, like, dude, like like before you die, you were

985
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 3: going to see me get my plumbing license, you know,

986
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,720
Speaker 3: and like that was like the that was the best

987
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 3: part about like getting licensed, was like I knew that,

988
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:10,439
Speaker 3: like I finally had this accomplishment that was gonna make

989
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 3: my dad proud of like the son that he had,

990
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

991
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 2: Like, and so everything else is like secondary to that,

992
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 2: you know. And then like now.

993
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 3: Whenever there's like plumbing issues at the house, tries to

994
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 3: tell me some shit, it's like, dude, I got a license,

995
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 3: are you telling you a license?

996
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: But actually it's actually a really cool story. When you

997
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: got the license, you went and took the test. It's

998
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: not common for people that take the plumbing test to

999
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,439
Speaker 1: become a licensed plumber for them to pass the first time.

1000
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 3: That's right, right, It's the toughest test in the addition,

1001
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 3: I did, yeah, that's what, and you called your dad

1002
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 3: immediately immediately. So I was still smoking butts at the time,

1003
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 3: and so I needed a fucking cigarette because I'm like

1004
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 3: locked in this room.

1005
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 2: And so I come out and they tell me, like,

1006
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 2: you pass.

1007
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 3: I says, gratulations your license, plumber. I looked at her

1008
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 3: and I was like, I said, this is amazing. She's like, oh, no,

1009
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 3: you know, like you did good. And I was like, nah,

1010
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 3: like I've been a fucking loser.

1011
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 2: You said this, I said it right to this life.

1012
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 2: I was like, I was like, I've been a.

1013
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 3: Loser for forty years, dude, you got no idea, Like

1014
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,479
Speaker 3: this is huge. And so I had to I had

1015
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 3: to pay to like for the license. You know, they

1016
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 3: get you fucking with the money every way that they can.

1017
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 3: So I had to pay for the license. And so

1018
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 3: my phone was in the car, so I or my

1019
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 3: my credit card was that something was in the car.

1020
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 3: I had to go out to the car to get that,

1021
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 3: and on the way I think it was my wallet.

1022
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 3: On the way out, I texted my dad a picture

1023
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 3: of because they print out like the thing that says passed,

1024
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 3: you know. And then I went on and took a

1025
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 3: trip to Flavor Country real quick. M Well, Marlboro read

1026
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 3: it was Maverick menthol So that was my gidea.

1027
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 2: All right.

1028
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 3: I could afford Newports, all right, but I never wanted

1029
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 3: to forget where I came from.

1030
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 2: Uh.

1031
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's like, man, when you talk about that,

1032
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: I think about my dad and my family, and you know,

1033
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,240
Speaker 1: it's like the gifts of recovery, right, especially for people

1034
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: like us. Our parents thought we were gonna die. I mean,

1035
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: that's just the way it was, you know.

1036
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 2: Sure. I remember I was out with him one time.

1037
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 3: And this is years ago, and I remember him just

1038
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 3: being like, I don't know how I'm in a baria

1039
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 3: And I was.

1040
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,240
Speaker 2: Just like when I'm a dude.

1041
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 3: Like like, looking back on it is, it's like that

1042
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 3: was like a genuine concern then he had. You know,

1043
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 3: I was just like, you're a fucking idiot.

1044
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 2: Fine, and it's like, dude, you know, like I was

1045
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 2: not like the odds were not my favorite for being fine.

1046
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: There was a recently you were at my house and

1047
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: your dad called you and you were talking to him

1048
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: about something about I forget what it was like, something

1049
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:50,919
Speaker 1: that he was going to do something and he needed

1050
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: your help for something, and he's talking to talking and talking,

1051
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: and then finally you're like, all right, well I'm gonna go.

1052
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: I'm at my friend's house right now. And you hung

1053
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 1: up and you were like, you know, he's like, yeah,

1054
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: you know, sorry about that. My dad just like loves

1055
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: to talk, you know, like once we get talking, you know,

1056
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 1: because my dad will like good friends, He's like, we

1057
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:08,919
Speaker 1: just keep going, you know, on the phone for hours.

1058
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 2: You know.

1059
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: And he just said that to me, and I remember thinking, like, man,

1060
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: look at this, Look at where he came from. You know,

1061
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: all the hell you put your father through, as did I.

1062
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: You know, now he's your friend. Now he wants to

1063
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: call you. Now he wants to ask you for help,

1064
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: ask you for advice, and you're there.

1065
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 2: You know, well it's cool, I mean, like honestly, like.

1066
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 3: And like I say this, like I do like commitment,

1067
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,720
Speaker 3: because everybody like fucking wants to get their shit together,

1068
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 3: and like everybody wants to just like Chase Broads, you

1069
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 3: know what I mean by sneakies get shit, you know,

1070
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:48,879
Speaker 3: and you know, like obviously, like you stop using drugs,

1071
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 3: like fucking no matter what you're doing for work, your

1072
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 3: fucking income is going to fucking increase by one hundred

1073
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,280
Speaker 3: percent because now you're not spending that money on fucking drugs,

1074
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 3: so you can buy whatever the fuck you want.

1075
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so.

1076
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 3: It's like obviously, like I have cool things. I have

1077
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 3: a ton of cool stuff, all right. I have so

1078
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 3: many guitars, I have so much gear. Like you would

1079
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 3: walk into that attic and swear that I could shred dude,

1080
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 3: all right.

1081
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 2: But you can't know. It looks cool. It looks so cool.

1082
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 2: They're so cool.

1083
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 3: You know.

1084
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 2: I did the shoe thing. You know, I have fucking

1085
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 2: a million.

1086
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 3: T shirts, all right, Like I have all that stuff.

1087
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 3: I got the hot wife, I got the kids. You know,

1088
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 3: I got all that stuff. But like the coolest the

1089
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 3: best thing, like the two best things, all right, from

1090
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 3: getting sober is having like my family back and like

1091
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 3: appreciating them and having them like, you know, like appreciate

1092
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 3: me and like you know what I mean, just like

1093
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 3: being like a family.

1094
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 2: Yeah uh.

1095
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 3: And then like I don't wake up every day and

1096
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 3: like hate my fucking life and like fucking want to

1097
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 3: kill myself.

1098
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: And not be the first thought when you wake up, like,

1099
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: oh I gotta go do this.

1100
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 2: What am I gonna do. How am I gonna get

1101
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 2: twenty tofu? Yeah? Who am I gonna scam today? Yeah?

1102
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: No, I know that's I'm the same way. The material

1103
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 1: stuff is whatever it's It's meaningful, but not as meaningful

1104
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: as the inside stuff. And you know, things like our

1105
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: family and our children and the people that we show

1106
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: up for in life every single day. Can we share.

1107
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 2: Uh, your wife her claim to fame?

1108
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: Oh dude, show yes? So wait, start with when the

1109
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: dude told you? When how you met her?

1110
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 2: That's how you cut me off.

1111
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: So wait, no, hold on. So to set the scene,

1112
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: you were in a program and obviously single, had nothing,

1113
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: and you were like, well, I want to share this

1114
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: nothing that I have with a female because that makes sense.

1115
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:58,439
Speaker 1: So you said to somebody, hey, do you know any

1116
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 1: girls that I could write? Well?

1117
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 2: So he was.

1118
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 3: He he was a friend of mine. I'd done like

1119
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 3: a bunch of time with him, and then we ended

1120
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 3: up in spectrum together and I moved him into the

1121
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 3: room because I was stuck there like and definitely, so

1122
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 3: I moved him into the room and he's like, oh,

1123
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 3: my girlfriend's in a program and Lawrence and I was like,

1124
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 3: no way, dude, Like I'm from out there, all right,

1125
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 3: like I need to talk to a woman.

1126
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 2: See if she's got a fucking friend that'll write me.

1127
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 3: So he comes back and we were doing like the

1128
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 3: fucking daytime wrap up.

1129
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and everybody goes around the program says how

1130
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 4: their fucking day was, you know, and fucking it gets

1131
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,280
Speaker 4: to him and he's like, oh, my day was great,

1132
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 4: you know, like I got my friend alan pen pal.

1133
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 2: He can finally talk to a woman. And it's not

1134
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 2: just it's not just a regular pen pal.

1135
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 3: She's a movie star, you know. And and she's in Gone,

1136
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 3: Baby Gone, dude, and.

1137
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, you were like, oh my Hollywood hair, I.

1138
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 3: Came, Oh dude, my pupils turned into dollars signs.

1139
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:17,399
Speaker 2: Yeah. And the truth is she is in God Baby Gone. Yeah.

1140
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 2: In the opening scenes she is. Did she ever tell

1141
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 2: you how how they recruited her for that? Yes?

1142
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 1: Yes, So if you if you can go on YouTube,

1143
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: you can look it up Gone Baby Gone. On the

1144
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: intro montage scene, they're showing like shots of Dorchester and

1145
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: his wife Brooks from Dorchester and so there's a scene

1146
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: where a young girl walks out into her porch and

1147
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 1: just looks, and that's her she's in the movie. And

1148
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: if you remember when ben Affleck was shooting Gone, Baby Gone,

1149
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: and I think it was Gone, Baby Gone. He was

1150
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: recruiting people off the street. That's how he got a

1151
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 1: bunch of people to be in the movie, like drug addaches,

1152
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: like real people from Dorchester. And that was her.

1153
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 2: She was at her mother's house.

1154
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 3: And fucking like losing her ship in the fucking streets.

1155
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,959
Speaker 3: He was yelling and screaming right like on some real

1156
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 3: hood rat ship.

1157
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 2: Ye all right, and uh.

1158
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 3: Then gets in the car and speeds off right and

1159
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 3: fucking ben Afflack comes out and he was.

1160
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:22,399
Speaker 1: Like, who that girl? I need her?

1161
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 3: I need that girl, and so yeah, and so history

1162
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 3: was made.

1163
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: And he cracked her down and put her on the movie. Yeah, yeah,

1164
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 1: she doesn't. She doesn't like to talk about it. But

1165
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 1: when you told me that, I was like, that's not true.

1166
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 2: What are you talking to? Nobody believes now. And then

1167
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 2: I gotta pull up the fucking thing. Yeah. Her brothers

1168
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 2: are in it too, right, Yeah, they're all in it.

1169
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy.

1170
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 2: I know. I asked her, I go, did you get paid?

1171
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 2: And she's like, I don't even remember.

1172
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 3: She said she got some money, but her mother took

1173
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 3: the check, cash the check, something.

1174
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 2: Like oh okay, okay, okay. Yeah.

1175
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,439
Speaker 1: So Brooks obviously in recovery too. She's a dear friend

1176
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: of my wife Jen's. Brook's actually a nursing school. Yeah,

1177
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: like Mike White wife did. So my wife's kind of

1178
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: like helping her navigate that. Both of them like to

1179
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: Brook graduate high school. I know it, right, No, Jim,

1180
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:09,959
Speaker 1: my wife didn't either. My wife stopped going to school

1181
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: in like the seventh or eighth grade, probably something similar

1182
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 1: with Brooke. And it's actually really cool because you know,

1183
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: Jen never thought she would go back to school. She

1184
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: always wanted to be a nurse or work in healthcare,

1185
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: but obviously she had a ged no education, like you know.

1186
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 1: And then I went back to school and then she

1187
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: was like, maybe this could be possible. And then she

1188
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,760
Speaker 1: started from the bottom and worked her way up. And

1189
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: that's exactly where Brooke is. She's in nursing school.

1190
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I don't know if you remember.

1191
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 3: I mean this is right after Jen got licensed, you know,

1192
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 3: and she was telling we were at the pool and

1193
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 3: she was telling.

1194
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 2: Brooke like, oh, you should go to nursing school. And

1195
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 2: Brooke was like, I could never I can never do it. Yeah,

1196
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 2: I'm not smart enough.

1197
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 3: And it was her and Grace were like, you can

1198
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 3: do it, like fucking anybody I did it, you know.

1199
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:55,879
Speaker 3: And then a couple fast forward a couple of years later,

1200
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 3: she threw her hat and she's doing great with it,

1201
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 3: yeah yep. And it's like it's like that's the cool

1202
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 3: thing like about like getting your shit together, you know,

1203
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 3: getting like soba, you know, because like.

1204
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 2: You always have to just continually like strive for more.

1205
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 3: You cannot settle because like fucking you're gonna be shutting

1206
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,720
Speaker 3: the door on some fucking opportunity.

1207
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 2: You know.

1208
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 3: And like I've said this to you like before, like

1209
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 3: your consistency, like in the program was always like inspiring

1210
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 3: both you and Jen, you know what I mean. And

1211
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 3: it's like the two of you have always strived for

1212
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 3: like more, you know, And.

1213
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 2: We've talked about this before.

1214
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 3: It's like as a plumber, I understand that water seeks

1215
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:41,439
Speaker 3: its own level, you know what I mean.

1216
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 2: And that is one of the things.

1217
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:48,439
Speaker 3: That I like the most about like you and Jen

1218
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 3: as well, is it's like you guys, you guys want

1219
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 3: it all, you.

1220
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:54,399
Speaker 2: Know what I mean, and like.

1221
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,879
Speaker 3: Fucking you're gonna get there, you know what I mean.

1222
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 3: And it's like, that's like what I want. Like we

1223
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 3: both have the same like we were. Yeah, it's similar,

1224
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 3: doesn't Drake say something like fucking like we walk the

1225
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,240
Speaker 3: same path but cut on different shoes.

1226
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: See you look at you, mister music man quote and

1227
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 1: hip hop.

1228
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 2: Wow.

1229
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 1: No, but I know what you're saying. It's exactly. It's

1230
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 1: very similar. And I think that sometimes people have this

1231
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: misconception when they see look at my life and my

1232
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: wife's life, and when they see things like, you know,

1233
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: like I work on the radio and jensa nurse, and

1234
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 1: we live in this nice house in a cul de

1235
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 1: sac in Salem, New Hampshire, and I drive a BMW

1236
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: and I have a sauna and a hot tub and

1237
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:38,720
Speaker 1: all this fucking material shit, which is all nice to have, okay,

1238
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 1: but you have to you have to really look at

1239
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 1: the work that we put in to get here, and

1240
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 1: that we literally started from the bottom, just like you

1241
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 1: and Brook. And it really is more so, it's not

1242
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: so much to the fact of how cool it is

1243
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: to have all this stuff. It's that anybody can get

1244
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: this for sure. That's that's the message for sure, right,

1245
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: And sometimes people see that stuff and they're like, oh,

1246
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 1: look at you with your fucking high horse.

1247
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 3: It's a fucking it's a ton of work, a lot

1248
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 3: of work, A ton of work. Yeah, And it's like, dude,

1249
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 3: I never ever I remember I put it on Facebook

1250
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 3: years ago, and I remember that like you made a

1251
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 3: call and I used to share it every year Thanksgiving

1252
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 3: and you made a comment one year you were like,

1253
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 3: I've already liked this, so I can't like it again,

1254
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 3: but I'm gonna put this comment here.

1255
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 2: And it was like a.

1256
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 3: Picture of like fucking like two Block and fucking Wallpole,

1257
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 3: you know, and like I got in love back the

1258
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 3: other day before Thanksgiving, and like.

1259
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 2: I made this fucking list.

1260
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 3: I don't know what the fuck is wrong with me,

1261
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 3: But like Upstate, like you'll eat like for Christmas and Thanksgiving. Uh,

1262
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 3: you do like the big dinner like at lunchtime and

1263
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 3: then they get like a fucking peanut butter and jelly

1264
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 3: like at Danni and you fucking eat this bagged peanut

1265
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 3: butter and jelly in.

1266
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 2: Your fucking cell, right, and so like I ate my

1267
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 2: fucking sandwich. And I was just like.

1268
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 3: Disgusted with like how my fucking life had turned out, dude,

1269
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 3: it's a fucking thirty years old, like had nothing, you know,

1270
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 3: and like I made this fucking list to like the

1271
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 3: shit that I wanted, all right, and it was stupid shit,

1272
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 3: but I had no idea how the fuck I was

1273
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 3: gonna get there, you know.

1274
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 2: And it's so hard, like.

1275
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 3: At the beginning, because there's so much that you want, dude,

1276
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 3: and there's you want it now.

1277
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 2: You want it fucking right now. There's so much that

1278
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 2: you want, but there's all this shit in the way.

1279
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 3: And it's like the license thing, so many people struggle with, Oh,

1280
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 3: get my luck, I gotta get my license back. And

1281
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 3: I remember that, like when I need to get my

1282
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 3: license back, I needed to pay like fucking like twelve

1283
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 3: hundred dollars, right, and it might as.

1284
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 2: Well have been a fucking million dollars at the time,

1285
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like twelve hundred dollars all right, Like, oh.

1286
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 3: Am, I gonna come up with just fucking twelve hundred bucks.

1287
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 3: And it's like, you know, it's all about like fucking

1288
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 3: finding out solutions instead of and stuck into the problem.

1289
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 2: You know.

1290
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 1: It's like, well you look at you look at active addiction, right,

1291
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,919
Speaker 1: use you think about using drugs. We use drugs because

1292
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 1: we got instant gratification. Right, That's that's what we chased.

1293
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 1: We put something into our body, we got a failing,

1294
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 1: we escaped ourselves.

1295
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 2: That's what we wanted.

1296
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: But things like you talked about, takes work and it

1297
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 1: takes time, which is we don't like that. Addicts don't

1298
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 1: like that. We want quick. We're obsessive and we're compulsive.

1299
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 1: We want it now. So when you say to somebody, hey,

1300
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 1: you can get all these things, you have to put

1301
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: the work in and it's going to take time. You

1302
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 1: got to hustle for a year before you get it,

1303
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 1: what you know, and then like a lot of the

1304
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: work that we do on ourselves. Okay, now this is

1305
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 1: getting deeper into it. But you know there's a step

1306
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: process that goes into recovery. And you know you probably

1307
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 1: heard about these things, and when you write this stuff down,

1308
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 1: you don't get an instant gratification. It comes later. So

1309
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 1: all so, my point is all the good things in

1310
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: life take time to get and it takes time to earn,

1311
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 1: for sure, but then you appreciate the more for sure.

1312
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 1: How many times, let me ask you this question, how

1313
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 1: many times are you using drugs. Were you actually using

1314
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 1: the substance, putting the substance into your body, but in

1315
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: your mind you're not thinking about that substance. You're thinking

1316
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 1: about the next one, yeah, all the time, right where

1317
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get the next one.

1318
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 2: All the time. And it didn't really occur to me.

1319
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 2: So it's like the Big Book.

1320
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 3: I think the Big Book in the fucking na basis,

1321
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 3: it's the same fucking thing, all right. It's just like

1322
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 3: the basic text is like the cliff notes of the

1323
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 3: Big Book because the Big Book was written in like

1324
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 3: the fucking thirties. But like, I don't know, I like

1325
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 3: the Big Book. I think the Big Book's all but

1326
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 3: it's all good, but like the phenomenon of craving, right,

1327
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 3: and it's like that is one. There's too many, a

1328
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 3: thousands ever enough, you know, And like I never really

1329
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 3: like understood, like all right, yeah, I get it, like

1330
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 3: fucking like I'm just gonna get a habit, I'm gonna

1331
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 3: keep using it. And it never really clicked to me

1332
01:00:57,080 --> 01:01:00,080
Speaker 3: until like towards the end there, like right before I

1333
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 3: took the bad overdose, because you're right, I would get

1334
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 3: up in the morning like where the fuck am I

1335
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 3: twenty bucks from right?

1336
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 2: And I would get the twenty bucks and I.

1337
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 3: Would get right and then it but like just get

1338
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 3: me like normal.

1339
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

1340
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 3: And then it would like right after that, it's like,

1341
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 3: all right, dude, I just need twenty more dollars to

1342
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 3: get to where I need to be. And I would

1343
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 3: get that, and then it's like, oh, I waited till

1344
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 3: I just need twenty more dollars I need to be

1345
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 3: all right, And it was just like a constant fucking

1346
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 3: chase for fucking twenty bucks, all like fucking like endlessly

1347
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 3: the fucking hamster wheel.

1348
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 2: Yep, yep.

1349
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 1: And then and then it's very common that when the

1350
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 1: end does come as painful as it is, party was

1351
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 1: thankful and relieve that it's finally over. Oh dude, how

1352
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 1: many times did that happen? Like, oh, you want to

1353
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 1: hear a story, stop running your story.

1354
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 2: So I was in I was getting high in Lawrence.

1355
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: You gotta talk into the mic.

1356
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 2: Oh sorry, sorry, there you go. Should I do this?

1357
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 1: No, not that close, but close when you start going

1358
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 1: back like this.

1359
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 2: So I was. So I was.

1360
01:01:56,160 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 3: I was in Lawrence, over by the fucking baseball field, right, uh,

1361
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 3: And I used to climb underneath the fence next to

1362
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 3: the fucking little river.

1363
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 2: There, and I used to fucking get high over there,

1364
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 2: and uh, I like went out dead. I went out.

1365
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 2: It's fucking brutally cold outside.

1366
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 3: I go out and I wake up, and they got

1367
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 3: all the taxis that line up there.

1368
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 2: One of the taxis must have called and I fucking.

1369
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 3: Hit people like hey, hey, and I get up and

1370
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 3: it's fucking to Lawrence cops and I have warrants up

1371
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 3: the ass dude, and I'm like, oh, thank god, thank god,

1372
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 3: it's over all right, Like I can fucking I don't

1373
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 3: have to worry about food or a place to fucking sleep.

1374
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 2: It's fucking done.

1375
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 3: And I get up and I crawl out from underneath

1376
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 3: the fucking fence and they're like, what's your name.

1377
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 2: I like, oh, my name's Alan Dohurst, Like where do

1378
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 2: you live? And I was like I'm.

1379
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 3: Homeless, and they just like both looked at each other

1380
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 3: and they're like, all right, get the fuck out of here.

1381
01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 3: And I remember thinking like oh, no, no, all right,

1382
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 3: but like I wasn't gonna like rat on myself and

1383
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 3: be like, dude, I got Warrens, crazy Warrens they're all

1384
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:06,439
Speaker 3: over the place.

1385
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1386
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, they kicked you loose, and so they let me,

1387
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 3: they let me go, and I was like genuinely like

1388
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 3: upset over it.

1389
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it didn't stop me from am I.

1390
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 1: Ron definitely did not, definitely did not. Okay, Wow, we're

1391
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 1: in an hour. That might be the longest podcast for

1392
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 1: the after show.

1393
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:26,919
Speaker 2: I'm a little long in the tooth something.

1394
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, you are, you are? Okay, So a couple of things.

1395
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 1: I wanted to mention. Your mom, longtime listener, kissed one away.

1396
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 2: Shut up, mom, Yeah, I shut up my mom. You

1397
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 2: can mom. I met Billy Costa this morning.

1398
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 3: All right, I didn't bring up that whole debacle from

1399
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:43,440
Speaker 3: when I was a child and we saw him in Peabody.

1400
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:46,919
Speaker 2: All right, I'll leave that to you. Oh yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1401
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 2: She would wait to me, dude.

1402
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 3: She told me that because I was so young and cute,

1403
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 3: we were gonna get we were he was gonna break

1404
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 3: us off.

1405
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 1: Oh because he was giving away something, right, yeah, Billy

1406
01:03:57,160 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 1: everything He never did though. No, he doesn't give a shit.

1407
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 1: I mean he's not a part of that. He just

1408
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 1: shows up in hosts. He gets his check and he

1409
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 1: leaves that's it. The other thing that we didn't talk

1410
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 1: about is music, because you are a big music person. Yes, yeah,

1411
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 1: very much. So you love all types of music, but

1412
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 1: it's especially hardcore.

1413
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 2: I like hardcore. I like underground music. I don't really

1414
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 2: want to like pigeonhole, like my my taste.

1415
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know what, but what's interesting about you is, yeah,

1416
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 1: you love underground stuff. You love the Smiths. That's like

1417
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 1: your all time favorite band. Shout out Stephen Morrissey.

1418
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 2: Morrissey. Is his name Stephen Moore? Yeah, well that's what

1419
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 2: I named my son after.

1420
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 1: Oh no, shit, he's his name Stephen.

1421
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 2: His name is Stephen Patrick, like Stephen Patrick morris See.

1422
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 1: I always knew you loved Morrissey. But you do know

1423
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 1: a lot about music in general. You do know a lot,

1424
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 1: do do you? I drop Sometimes I'll drop things in

1425
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 1: and you'll like, know it things about hip hop or

1426
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 1: you know what I say, Yeah, Jerry, yeah, Buffalo stance,

1427
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 1: all these weird facts. So you're a lot smarter than

1428
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 1: you it on. But you do love hardcore?

1429
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 2: Is it punk rock? Is that what it's called?

1430
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 1: Hardcore? Punk?

1431
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 2: Kind of kind of sort of it's just like yelling

1432
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 2: and screaming in washing it's when the fuck you guys. Yeah,

1433
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 2: it got a hold of punk rock. Yeah, exactly.

1434
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 1: So Alan has been trying to get me to go

1435
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:18,840
Speaker 1: to a hardcore show for literally years. It's been a

1436
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 1: lot because you go to a lot of shows a

1437
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 1: bit because these shows are on every weekend. They're cheap, right,

1438
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 1: like twenty bucks to get in, and you show me

1439
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 1: videos you don't go into, like the marsh Bins. No,

1440
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:29,479
Speaker 1: but you just stand and stand back and watch the show,

1441
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 1: watch the chaos. You watch the chaos. And so finally

1442
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 1: I have agreed to go.

1443
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 2: To a hardcore shown. It's coming in April. It's gonna

1444
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 2: be a good one.

1445
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:42,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you keep talking it up. It's called blood for

1446
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 1: Blood for blood at the Middle East. So I've been

1447
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 1: too many times for hip hop shows downstairs. Yeah, that's

1448
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 1: where I met already, the Rugged man. You didn't know Alguments,

1449
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 1: a rapper who I met there. That's a little funny story.

1450
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm excited. I'm gonna go check it out.

1451
01:05:58,240 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 2: I don't know what really to expect here.

1452
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 1: I don't you know. I'm gonna stand back like.

1453
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 3: We're not going anywhere up close to no, no way,

1454
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 3: but you might go up calling.

1455
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 2: Him radius playing. He's cool and like, I know, like

1456
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 2: the words.

1457
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 3: That's like when it gets fun, Like when you know

1458
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 3: the words, that's when it gets like really fun when

1459
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 3: you know the words.

1460
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 2: Because remember we.

1461
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 3: Were watching the video the other day. You're like, dude,

1462
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 3: do they even sing? It's no, everybody's singing.

1463
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 2: The whole crowd sings the song. Yeah, Like that's like

1464
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 2: where it's like fun.

1465
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 3: It's like everybody's just there, like you know, yelling and

1466
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 3: people are jumping, like it's like you're in the ballpin

1467
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 3: when you're a fucking kid.

1468
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 1: You know, how happy are you that I agree to

1469
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 1: go to a show sight d I know you.

1470
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:36,480
Speaker 2: I'm so pumped.

1471
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 3: All right, Yeah, it's gonna that's gonna be fun. And

1472
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 3: that's a big show. That show sold out.

1473
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 1: And under a man, I know, we have another friend

1474
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 1: of ours that wants to join and he can't even

1475
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 1: get a ticket.

1476
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 2: No, it's impossible, he's never going to I call him

1477
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 2: a favorite hair a kiss. But I don't think they

1478
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 2: got blood for blood ticks. I don't think, dude.

1479
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 3: I think the reason why that show at the Middle

1480
01:06:57,560 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 3: East sold out as fast as it did is because

1481
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 3: like number one, it's a smaller it's small venue, all right,

1482
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 3: but like number two, like they're from all they're from

1483
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 3: Boston and like so I guarantee that fucking half of

1484
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 3: those tickets are probably just getting comped out.

1485
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 2: Anyways, Yeah, a lot of them. That's that's how it works.

1486
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 2: But I'm excited.

1487
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 1: I'm excited to go, and yeah, thanks for coming on, man,

1488
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 1: well thanks for having me this. How could I not

1489
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 1: you listened to the After Show?

1490
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 3: I know you know it's now The real question is

1491
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 3: is that are there other people that listener?

1492
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 2: Am I the only one?

1493
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that listen to the after Show? Yeah,

1494
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 1: it's the After Show Army all right, Yeah, because I

1495
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 1: think that, you know, obviously the Billion leads A Show

1496
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 1: and the Maddie Show before that, a ton of listeners.

1497
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:44,480
Speaker 1: People listen to it, and I think that they like

1498
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 1: the behind the scenes stuff and they like kind of

1499
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:51,040
Speaker 1: the more more raw look at the show.

1500
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 3: I think that you've done a great job, like with

1501
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 3: everything that's happened, and like I've told you this, right,

1502
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 3: but I think that you've done like a great job

1503
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:01,920
Speaker 3: with like Navi getting all of these changes, all right,

1504
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 3: and continuing this and continuing to have like substance behind it,

1505
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 3: because even when you don't have people all right, like,

1506
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 3: you still have substance behind it, you know, and it's

1507
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:14,440
Speaker 3: it's like it's difficult. You know, it's difficult. What you

1508
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:16,679
Speaker 3: do is difficult, Yeah, for sure.

1509
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:18,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just you know what I try to do,

1510
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 1: progress forward.

1511
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 2: Well, that's all you can do, right, never stop.

1512
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 1: Learning, never stop learning, never ever ever. And I love

1513
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 1: what I do. I'm super grateful and I'm grateful for

1514
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 1: you for being a good friend because I will say

1515
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 1: this about Alan, it's a dear friend of mine. Now

1516
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:35,559
Speaker 1: what you just heard him share for the past hour,

1517
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 1: I think I don't know what's the over under on

1518
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:41,280
Speaker 1: the amount of fucks that were dropping. It was probably

1519
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 1: one hundred maybe more, right, So, and you said it yourself, right,

1520
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 1: this camouflage that you put on or whatever you know,

1521
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 1: and the way that you talk. But I will say,

1522
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:54,639
Speaker 1: you know, I've met a lot of people in my life.

1523
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 1: I have a lot of friends in my life, and

1524
01:08:57,240 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 1: you are in the top five three. I don't even

1525
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 1: know of people that I can depend on and friend

1526
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 1: that will show up for other people. And that's a

1527
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 1: great quality to have. Do you know what I mean,

1528
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:12,720
Speaker 1: that's just the name of the game. It's really it's

1529
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 1: just loyalty and trust in another person.

1530
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:15,680
Speaker 2: You know.

1531
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:18,160
Speaker 1: It is something that's really hard to find these days,

1532
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Someone that will show up

1533
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 1: for you when needed, or be there or for whatever.

1534
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 1: It's not even just fixing a plumbing thing in my house.

1535
01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:28,640
Speaker 1: It's someone to talk to. It's it's somebody that you

1536
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:30,720
Speaker 1: just can trust a person. These are the people that

1537
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 1: you want in your life for sure, because water seeks

1538
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 1: its own level. As you said, that's it.

1539
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:37,439
Speaker 2: You are what you surround yourself with.

1540
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 1: Right And if you come to my house, which you

1541
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:40,720
Speaker 1: know we joke about on the show all the time,

1542
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 1: I always have people at my house. But every person

1543
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 1: that you find in my house is.

1544
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 2: Legit, except for the guy in the U haul truck.

1545
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:48,719
Speaker 1: The U haul truck guy that I called the cops

1546
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:51,760
Speaker 1: on not legit. If you miss what that is. That's

1547
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 1: on the show today. All right, buddy, thank you for

1548
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 1: coming on. Tell all your friends that you were on. Yeah, yeah,

1549
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:02,599
Speaker 1: you're my only friend. Oh, thank you. Yeah, well they

1550
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 1: already know. Yeah, well, you gotta tell Brooke that she

1551
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 1: was mentioned here.

1552
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:09,519
Speaker 2: She probably knows. I mean, like, okay, here she has

1553
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 2: to movie star.

1554
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, Hollywood's probably gonna be beaten down our

1555
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:14,880
Speaker 3: door for another camera.

1556
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, there we go.

1557
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:16,559
Speaker 2: All right.

1558
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:20,160
Speaker 1: Anyway, tomorrow another podcast. I think The Power of Recovery

1559
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:22,439
Speaker 1: guys coming in. Not tomorrow, I think next week. I

1560
01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:24,960
Speaker 1: have to double check that, but uh yeah, have a

1561
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:27,519
Speaker 1: great day everybody. And this was a long podcast, an

1562
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 1: hour and ten minutes, so all I gotta say is thanks,