1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: It's Night's Eyes with Dan Ray. I'm going you easy 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: Boston's News Radio. 3 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 2: Hi am a nice to hear your voice there in 4 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 2: the newsroom. My name is Dan Ray, and Emma is 5 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 2: one of our news department members. She does a great job, 6 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:20,479 Speaker 2: does a great job. I'm a big fan, that's for sure. Anyway, 7 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 2: let us begin. My name's Dan Ray, as Emma had suggested. 8 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 2: I'm the host of the show called Nightside, the aptly 9 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 2: named Nightside with Dan Ray. Rob Brooks my partner in time. 10 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 2: He's with me here Monday through Fridays from eight until midnight. 11 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:38,520 Speaker 2: Is back in the Big Control Room at the Big 12 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 2: Socket back in Medford, Massachusetts, which is now the WBC headquarters. 13 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 2: Many of you remember when we were for decades on 14 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 2: soldiers Field Road, but that all changed in twenty seventeen 15 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 2: when iHeart Media purchased the radio station, and so there 16 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 2: have been some changes along the way. Before we begin tonight, 17 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,279 Speaker 2: I just want to mention that last night we had 18 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 2: a real problem with our streaming service. And so for 19 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 2: those of you who are listening tonight anywhere across the 20 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 2: United States of America, around the world, but particularly if 21 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 2: you're in the US, if you could give Rob a call. 22 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 2: I'm not going to put you on the ear. Just 23 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 2: give them a quick call at six one seven two 24 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 2: five four ten thirty and chime in and Rob will 25 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 2: keep a list of the low coals that are able 26 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 2: to pick us up tonight. Again, we don't take phone 27 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 2: calls in this hour. We talk with four interesting guests. 28 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 2: We call it the night Side News Update, as I'm 29 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 2: sure all of you know, and we will get to 30 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 2: them just in a moment. But if you are out 31 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 2: there listening on the internet tonight, if you give Rob 32 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 2: a quick call at six one seven two five four 33 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 2: ten thirty and Rob, if you would keep a list 34 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 2: for me of the locals that are that are covered 35 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 2: with appreciate. We all had some problems last night with 36 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 2: our phone system, but that seems to be back in 37 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 2: good working orders. So tonight we'll have a very smooth 38 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 2: flight all the way until midnight, and we are going 39 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 2: to I will, by the way, talk a little bit 40 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 2: more tonight, probably at ten o'clock or at ten o'clock 41 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 2: about the Nightside Charity Combine, which we will do. This 42 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 2: will be our thirteenth year. Do it to end the 43 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 2: year on Tuesday night, December twenty third and if you 44 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 2: are involved in a good charity, or involved in any charity, Frankly, 45 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 2: it is a good charity as far as I'm concerned. 46 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 2: We'd love to give you some publicity and stay tuned 47 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 2: with us, and we will let you know exactly what 48 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 2: you need to do in order to get some free 49 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 2: airtime right here on Nightside. So let us start off 50 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 2: a little locally. We're going to talk about Boston's housing 51 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 2: market in Boston, which I think all of us know 52 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 2: has become very expensive, but it's also now unaffordable, according 53 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 2: to Andrew mccoola. He's a Senior Housing Fellow with the 54 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 2: Pioneer Institute for Public Policy Research and the chair of 55 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 2: the Legalized Starter Homes. Andrew mccoola, Welcome to Nightside. How 56 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 2: are you Dan? 57 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 3: I'm quite well, how are you doing great? 58 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 2: So let's first of all what a starter starter homes 59 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 2: and why do starter homes need to be legalized? Right? 60 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 3: So, a starter home is a small owner occupied home 61 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 3: suitable for first time buyers, often designed to be low 62 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 3: maintenance and allow folks to build up some home equity 63 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 3: before they're able to trade up for a larger, more. 64 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 2: Expensive home down back quick idea, either in terms of 65 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 2: square footage or numbers of bedroom and bathrooms. I think 66 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 2: that would probably describe it very well for our audience. 67 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's a little contextual, but I mean, 68 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 3: you know, i'd say the state has a program called 69 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 3: Chapter forty y that's designed to, you know, build some 70 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 3: starter homes and the square footage threshold I think is 71 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 3: eighteen hundred and fifty square feet and they require at 72 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 3: least some of the homes to be three bedrooms. 73 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty good size of eighteen nunder square feet, that's 74 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 2: that's okay. So why do we have to legalize starter 75 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 2: at homes? Because it says that your chair of legalized 76 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 2: starter homes, has that already been accomplished. 77 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean not exactly. So Massachusetts is the hardest 78 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 3: state in the country for young adults to buy a home. 79 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 3: The middle class is shrinking because the cost of housing 80 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 3: has exploded since the Great Recession. And I know you've 81 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 3: covered the out migration problem Massachusetts on your show before, Dan, 82 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 3: So a lot of people who you know lived here previously, 83 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 3: often for many years, are leaving, often because of the 84 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 3: cost of housing, especially among young people. 85 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 2: Also, mensto states like low tax states like Tennessee, Florida, 86 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 2: South Carolina, Texas, where state taxes are not as onerous 87 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 2: as they are in massive New Hampshire too, by the 88 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 2: way as well, right. 89 00:04:55,120 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 3: Ahead, Yeah, absolutely, and it's just I mean, we think 90 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 3: that a big reason why the home costs, especially in 91 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 3: the suburbs, are so high, is because a lot of 92 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,919 Speaker 3: towns require you to have a lot of land in 93 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 3: order to build even a single family home. And there's 94 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 3: a long history of academic research, including academic research that 95 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 3: studied Massachusetts in particular, that shows that large lot size 96 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 3: requirements raise home costs and also reduce the amount of 97 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 3: new construction that happens over a given period. So legalizing 98 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 3: starter homes is allowing homes to be built on smaller lots. 99 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 2: We think the MBTA Community Act here in Massachusetts. Let 100 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 2: me take the other side of the argument with you 101 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 2: for a second, and that is that many people in Massachusetts, 102 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 2: including myself, argue that the government that governs leased governs best, 103 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 2: and also the best form of government is the one 104 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 2: that is closest to the people, and that the really 105 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 2: the lynchpin of small town and for that matter, of 106 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 2: even big city government here in Massachusetts are zoning laws. 107 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 2: I mean, you don't want a whole bunch of pizza 108 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 2: parlors and Boeing alleys built next to your hospital or church. 109 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 2: And a lot of communities would say, hey, we'd like 110 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 2: our open spaces, we'd like farms, we'd like apple orchids, 111 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 2: and we do have some. And generally the Pioneer Institute 112 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 2: is kind of a freedom loving organization, and on this issue, 113 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:31,359 Speaker 2: I think the Pioneer Institute departs from this freedom loving 114 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 2: talk show host. Can you square that circle? 115 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean, I think there are two ways of 116 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 3: looking at state intervention in planning and zoning decisions. One is, 117 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 3: you know, this is the tyranny of the state usurping 118 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 3: democracy and overriding the interests of localities. And the other is, 119 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 3: this is the state protecting the rights of individual property 120 00:06:56,120 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 3: owners from the tyranny of the localities. And by the way, 121 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 3: protecting those rights just so happens to help us solve 122 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 3: our housing shortage. 123 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 2: Or you know, is it protecting the rights of developers? 124 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you know, property owners can be a 125 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 3: homeowner who wants to build an adu in her backyard 126 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 3: to house you know, her mother in law, or you know, 127 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 3: just lead a comfortable retirement. So I think that when 128 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 3: you have you can't get kind of closer to the 129 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 3: people than those individual property owners. And having the freedom 130 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 3: to you know, convert your home into a duplex if 131 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 3: you want, is freedom. 132 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 2: But then, of course, if you move into a community, 133 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 2: will you know that such a conversion is prohibited. I 134 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 2: think you go into the community knowing what what limitations 135 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 2: you might have as a property owner. I mean you 136 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 2: kind of open up a bowling alley, you know, commercial 137 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 2: property next to your home, even though you might want to. 138 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 3: Right, I mean, I think that's that's certainly a common argument, 139 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 3: and I guess I go back to what the needs are. 140 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 3: I mean, how the thing is fundamentally a regional issue 141 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 3: that I think at some level needs regional solutions, or 142 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 3: at least communities that are you know, maybe view themselves 143 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 3: in more isolation than they really do in a regional 144 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 3: economy need a nudge to you know, help accommodate the 145 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 3: needs of a new generation. 146 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 2: Well it's more than a nudge. With the MBTA Communities Act, 147 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,479 Speaker 2: as you know, money of being being withheld from communities 148 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 2: that don't participate, I would use, do not consent to 149 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 2: comply it's it's a tough issue and you because you 150 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 2: have you have all sorts of rights going on. It's 151 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 2: one of those issues is almost close to eminent domain 152 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 2: in my mind, in the sense that we're talking about, 153 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 2: is we're going to take a dozen properties, let's say, 154 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 2: in some location for a major highway because somehow a 155 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 2: group of bureaucrats have decided it's in the quote unquote 156 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 2: common good. It's not in the common good of the 157 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 2: people who lose their properties in the domain. It's a balance, 158 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 2: I mean, in all honesty. 159 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 3: I mean yeah, I mean i'd say that losing your 160 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 3: property because the government is kind of targeting a specific 161 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 3: you know, place or parcel, is a little bit different 162 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 3: than that property owner opting into building more housing on 163 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 3: the property. Well, but I will say. 164 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 4: That, yeah. 165 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 2: But at the same time, look, if they say we 166 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 2: need it's good for the region to build a six 167 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 2: lane highway right down your street, how's that different. I mean, 168 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 2: we're doing this for the for the good of the region. Sorry, 169 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 2: you're going to lose your house. And by the way, 170 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:51,839 Speaker 2: we're not going to give you really full market value. 171 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 2: We're going to give you about sixty percent of market value. 172 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 2: Why don't you take your money and go somewhere else 173 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 2: and be happy. 174 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 3: I mean, I think that the flip side is you're 175 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 3: also kind of enforcing that what's good for the region, 176 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 3: you know, philosophizing or ideology when you say the zoning 177 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 3: is how it is in the status quo? What if 178 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 3: I want to live in an apartment building. What if 179 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 3: I want to live in a duplexice in. 180 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 2: The city that has apartment buildings. You're a community that 181 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 2: has apartment buildings. You A lot of communities have that. 182 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 3: Right, but is it enough to meet our needs? And 183 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 3: also I want to emphasize, I mean, the proposal that 184 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 3: I'm bringing forward is very different from the Meta Communities 185 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 3: Act in a lot of ways. First of all, focuses 186 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 3: on Yeah, focus is on family oriented, single family homes 187 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 3: bound to be mostly owner occupied. And also it ties 188 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 3: to housing capacity we're creating, to the location of critical 189 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 3: water and wastewater infrastructure. 190 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 2: The other thing too, that is interesting to me, Andrew, 191 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 2: And I'm going to be real quick here. You've been 192 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 2: a great guest, and thank you for allowing me to 193 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 2: kind of challenge you a little bit. I fly over 194 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 2: Massachusetts or I fly out of Logan airport. I am 195 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 2: stunned every time at the amount of empty property vacant 196 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 2: land that exists beyond one twenty eight and even more 197 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 2: so beyond four ninety five. Why do we never talk 198 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 2: about developing some of those communities? It seems to me 199 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 2: is what is where the future is? 200 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we could. I think, you know, there's 201 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 3: this idea that you know, folks who are you know, 202 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 3: don't have many neighbors now might be more amenable to 203 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 3: having more of them. And the flip side, I've also 204 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 3: heard that, you know, put all the development in Boston. 205 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 3: But I think at the end of the day, you know, 206 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 3: people who have an investment in their home and might have, 207 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,839 Speaker 3: you know, uncertainties or questions about new development coming in. 208 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 3: It's kind of the same you know, rhetoric that comes 209 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 3: up right, concern about the uncertainty of what happens when 210 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 3: that new development comes in. And so I think that 211 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 3: the status quote, it might seem reasonable to folks inside 212 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 3: of one twenty eight to have you know, suburban density, 213 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 3: new subdivisions out beyond four ninety five, but to those 214 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 3: folks that might not seem that reasonable. And so I mean, 215 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 3: I think there aren't a lot of easy answers with 216 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 3: this because of that kind of dynamic. 217 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 2: The problem is, you know, I'm trying to we should 218 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 2: go on tour and debate this. The problem is that 219 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 2: you I think you and I both know that there's 220 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 2: a real emphasis in this in this state to force 221 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 2: people or to induce people not to use their automobiles. 222 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:43,839 Speaker 2: H and that is also at the core of all 223 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 2: of this, and we can get to that everybody should 224 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 2: be on a bike. Well, look, I enjoyed this conversation, Andrew. 225 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 2: I hope you did as well, and as you're a 226 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 2: great proponent and you've answered questions and I and I 227 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 2: thank you for doing that. You know, I really appreciate 228 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 2: the opportunity to have a high level conversation. I'm a 229 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 2: big fan of most of the folks at the Pioneer Institute, 230 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 2: including Charlie Chippio is a longtime friend. So we will 231 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 2: we will talk again. 232 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 3: Okay, thanks Andrew, Yeah, thank you so much. Dan, thanks 233 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 3: for the conversation. 234 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 2: How can folks get more information about your activities with 235 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 2: the Pioneer Institute? Do you want to give us a 236 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:23,479 Speaker 2: quick website? 237 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I can, I say, I mean the ballot campaign, 238 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 3: I'm running is in my free time. Pioneer is not 239 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 3: involved in an organizational level, but the you know, Pioneer 240 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 3: Institute dot org is my day jobs website, and legalized 241 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 3: starterhomes dot com is the ballot campaign. 242 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 2: Perfect. Okay, we'll do it again. Then we'll get do is. 243 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 2: I'll bring you back and we'll do an hour some night, 244 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 2: give you more time to fight with me and wonderful 245 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 2: some of the callers, you know, Okay, I promise we'll 246 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 2: make that happen. Thank you, Andrew. 247 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're going to make the proposal better by engaging 248 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:00,719 Speaker 3: with folks who tend to disagree with us. 249 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 2: I would hope so, and I would agree with that 250 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 2: preference as well. Thank you so much. I appreciate you. 251 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 3: Wonderful. Thanks. 252 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 2: That's a great night, my pleasure. We are going to 253 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 2: talk in a moment with John Bowerman, entrepreneur, self taught 254 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 2: developer and co founder of Stealth Consulting. Forty seven percent 255 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 2: of US workers have engaged in revenge quitting. We'll find 256 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 2: out why, but we'll first find out exactly what revenge 257 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 2: quitting is. My name's Dan Ray. This is night Side Rob. 258 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 2: I saw a bunch of people call in I'm going 259 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 2: to try to find out from you who's listening to 260 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 2: us tonight across the countryside. We'll be back right after this. 261 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WAZ Boston's 262 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,479 Speaker 1: news radio. 263 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 2: There are new words for everything, and a new word 264 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 2: or phrase that we're going to explain is revenge quitting. 265 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 2: It sounds like I should know what it is, John Bowerman, 266 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 2: he's an entrepreneur, a self taught developer and co founder 267 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 2: of Stealth Selting. Sounds like they should call that as 268 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 2: an airplane stealth consulting. John, Welcome to Night Side. Explain 269 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 2: to us what revenge quitting is. My I think most 270 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 2: of us can kind of figure it out, but give us, 271 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 2: give us, give us an accurate, very accurate explanation. 272 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 4: Please, thank you, Yeah, absolutely, thank you for having me again. Dan. 273 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 5: Yeah. 274 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 4: Revenge. You know, when it comes to revenge quitting, there's 275 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 4: an emotional word there, right, revenge. So it's really it's 276 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 4: it's not about regular quitting. It's quitting with an emotional motive. Uh, 277 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 4: It's it's someone saying you treated me so poorly. I'm 278 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 4: going to leave in a way that makes a statement, 279 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 4: and you might not have. 280 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 2: To wind was that old country and Western song take 281 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 2: this job and whatever? That should that should be the 282 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 2: theme song for revenge quitting. So do you in order 283 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 2: to do revenge quitting? Do you have to do it 284 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 2: like at a critical time? You know, maybe on a 285 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 2: Friday afternoon when when the boss is kind of frazzled 286 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 2: and they're trying to get some some stuff out the door, 287 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 2: and and he's a little short staffed and you walk 288 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 2: up to him and say, you know, I'm out of here? 289 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 2: Is that so what we're talking about? You get a 290 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 2: time it as well? 291 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 4: Absolutely? I mean when you think about making a statement 292 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 4: and you want to make the biggest statement possible. So 293 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 4: there's a there's a draw to sensationalizing it. Uh, And 294 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 4: you know that all stems from there's really not much 295 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 4: stigma anymore around. Quitting used to mean failure, and now 296 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 4: for many people it's seen as self respect, right they 297 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 4: people people admire bold exits like that you post about 298 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 4: them on social media and someone is going to get 299 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 4: all kinds of reinforcements that makes it feel like they're courageous. 300 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 4: So the more sensational they can revenge quit, the more 301 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 4: chance they have of actually getting more more social reinforcement. 302 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, let me give you a scenario. I love baseball, 303 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 2: so I'm looking at the bottom of the ninth inning. 304 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 2: The manager goes out to the mount, he calls for 305 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 2: his best relief pitcher, someone like Mariana Rivera, and they 306 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 2: come in with the music and all of that, And 307 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 2: when the manager goes to hand the ball to the 308 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 2: relief pitcher, the relief pitcher just pulls his hand away 309 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 2: and keeps walking right towards the dugout, leaving the manager 310 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 2: alone in the mouth with the bases loaded. That would 311 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 2: be pretty good revenge quitting for some disgruntled major league relief. 312 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 4: Pitcher, absolutely, right at the moment when you're needed most. 313 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, we'll never see that in the big leagues 314 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 2: because they're making too much money. When did this start? 315 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 2: Is this a consequence of our COVID experience, like so many. 316 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 4: Things, Yeah, that's definitely a part of it, right, it's 317 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 4: you know, there's been a big shift in the power 318 00:17:56,240 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 4: dynamic since COVID. You've got a lot more at work. 319 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 4: It's a lot easier to revenge quit when you're not 320 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 4: in person. It's a lot easier to do a lot 321 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 4: online or remotely than when you're face to face with 322 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 4: someone you have, you know, less interoffice relationships, ones that 323 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:23,199 Speaker 4: aren't as strong are are developed anymore where you're you know, 324 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 4: if you're if you're in an environment with others and 325 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 4: you've developed bonds with those people, you're less likely to 326 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 4: want to revenge quit. And you know because if you've 327 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:37,959 Speaker 4: got a friend at work, now you've just placed everything 328 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 4: that you needed to do on them. And so really 329 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 4: the shift in the workplace has contributed to it a lot. 330 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 2: Okay, So if I'm an owner of a company or 331 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 2: a manager and I call you up and I say, 332 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 2: I got people who are who will quit and left, 333 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 2: and right here, you might consultant, your stealth consulting. What 334 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 2: do I got to do? John? 335 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, So you know, the the core of revenge quitting 336 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 4: is a reluctance to share from from the employee. And 337 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,959 Speaker 4: so that if you're an employer and you've got a business, 338 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 4: if you can open up channels for for your team 339 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:22,360 Speaker 4: members to share and actually be listened to, where you're 340 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 4: creating a listening loop where you're you're going to listen 341 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 4: and you're you know, you don't have to solve every challenge, 342 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 4: but you're at least putting things on on your roadmap. 343 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 4: You're you're trying to address them, and you're not just 344 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 4: creating broken promises, because that's really when it's uh. When 345 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 4: it starts. Revenge quitting is someone feeling like they're not 346 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 4: being heard, that they really have no other outlet for 347 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 4: no one's listening, So I'm going to make. 348 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,919 Speaker 2: Them and maybe throwing a little dose of profit sharing 349 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 2: as well. 350 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 4: That's that and that never hurts stake in the games? 351 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 2: All right, John Bowerman, How can folks, particularly companies that 352 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 2: are having this problem, how can they in touch with 353 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 2: you and get some help. 354 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, if you can go to the website not Lost 355 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 4: Starting dot com and you can actually check out my 356 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 4: new book. It's just all about helping employers look at 357 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 4: when people are potentially feeling like doing something like this. 358 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 4: And for people that are in this position and feel 359 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 4: like revenge quitting is the best option, there are several 360 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 4: several other more productive options that gets you to what 361 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 4: you really want much faster and much easier. Okay, what's 362 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,959 Speaker 4: that website not Lost starting dot Com? 363 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 2: I stepped on you go ahead, save one more time? 364 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 4: Oh, not lost starting dot Com? 365 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 2: All one word not lost starting dot com. John Bowerman, 366 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 2: thank you very much. 367 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 4: All right, appreciate it. Dan. 368 00:20:57,880 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 2: We talk again when we get back. We're going to 369 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 2: talk about why some young Americans, actually a lot of 370 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 2: them apparently, are deciding to plan for retirement by investing 371 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 2: in the stock market while putting off home ownership. I 372 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 2: think that's a little bit putting the cart before the horse. 373 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 2: But we'll talk with Ron Glasgow. He's a financial strategist 374 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 2: about this very topic. On the other side of the 375 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 2: news at the bottom. 376 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 1: Of the hour, you're on night Side with Dan Ray 377 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 1: on w Boston's news radio. 378 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 2: Roder Welcome, Ron Glasgow. He's a financial strategist and heads 379 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 2: up Glasgow Investment Solutions. Pretty good that you're working for 380 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:41,360 Speaker 2: a company that is by with your name here, very 381 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 2: app very apt Ron. How are you tonight show called Nightside. 382 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 2: I have an apply named showed Nightside with Dan Ray. 383 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 2: So whenever I see someone who obviously is the number 384 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 2: one guy that come at the company, So young Americans, 385 00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 2: according to this story, for go home ownership to invent 386 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 2: in the stock market, I think that's putting the cart 387 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 2: before the horse. Tell me why, I am right, Tell 388 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 2: me why I'm wrong. 389 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, So I mean, look, at the end of the day, 390 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 5: it's your money, right, so you get to do whatever 391 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 5: you want with it. And if you decide that you'd 392 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 5: rather play the market versus to purchase a home, I 393 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 5: understand who it's stick. I think the most concerning thing 394 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 5: isn't that they're doing that. It's the fact that there 395 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 5: needs to be an awful lot of day trading. So 396 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 5: I started my career in two thousand and one right 397 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 5: at the very end of the tech wreck, and I'll 398 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,640 Speaker 5: tell you there's that too many long tenured or day 399 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 5: traders that retire. So that's what concerns me more. And 400 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 5: everybody's start of taking advantage of this crazy bull market, 401 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 5: especially with technology, and you know, nothing goes up forever. 402 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 2: Most of the day traders I know now live under bridges, 403 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 2: but that's you know, maybe they like that, they like 404 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 2: outdoor living. So what do you say when someone comes 405 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 2: in and they say they're thirty years old, they're renting 406 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 2: and they're thinking about buying a house and all of it, 407 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 2: and they understand the advantages, but they they were going 408 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 2: to go to Vegas, they were going to play the lottery. 409 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 2: But they're going to day trade. What advice do you 410 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 2: give them? You're a financial strategist. 411 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, so, I mean, to be perfectly honest, the people 412 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 5: that are thinking about day trading would never walk into 413 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 5: an office like mine, and especially the old guy like me. 414 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 5: You know, they could as one of the things that 415 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 5: sort of helps the day trading, you know. And why 416 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 5: I opened my first account, I just got out of 417 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 5: the Marines and had the quality guy in towns and 418 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 5: an employment go in and he had to do a 419 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 5: bunch of paperwork. 420 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 4: You know. 421 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 5: Now you can go on your phone, just open an account, 422 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 5: wire some money and you can be trading within you know, 423 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 5: a few minutes. So none of those guys are gonna 424 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 5: come to me that said. If they did, I would 425 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 5: just say, you know, look, diversification and everything day trading 426 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 5: is that where you want to put all your eggs. 427 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 5: You know, we could talk about rating versus buying, But 428 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 5: then get did do something that was very difficult too. 429 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 5: You know, house prices have gone up so much, even 430 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 5: here in Dallas where lived the last eight years, they've 431 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 5: gone up extraordinarily. Where you are at Boston's he works. 432 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 5: So you know, if you have a seven hundred thousand 433 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 5: dollars house, you know, one hundred and forty grand for 434 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 5: a down payment. It's prett to come up with when 435 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 5: he's twenty five or thirty years old. 436 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 2: No question, There's no question about that. But it's also 437 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 2: tough when you're renting in the same community. What are 438 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 2: you paying for rent in Dallas? 439 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 5: Now? 440 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 2: I bet you're paying two or three thousand dollars a 441 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 2: month to rent in Dallas at least. 442 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, somewhere around there. 443 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 2: Okay, So multiply that times twelve, and at the end 444 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 2: of the year, you got you know, twelve canceled checks 445 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 2: or whatever, you got a statement and it's you know, 446 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 2: anywhere from you know, twenty five to thirty five thousand 447 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 2: dollars out the window with not much equity in that 448 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 2: rental unit. So it's it's it's tough. What advice do 449 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 2: you give young people who are coming of age? You know, 450 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 2: I do a lot of this stuff at night. We 451 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 2: talked a lot of people. We're going to have Rick 452 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 2: Edelman on tomorrow night at ten o'clock. He's just written 453 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 2: a new book about the cost of college, which sounds, 454 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 2: you know, pretty intimidating, but for some people it's the 455 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 2: right thing. For some people, it's if you're going to 456 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 2: go and become an archaeology major. I don't think you 457 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 2: want to go in the whole a couple one hundred 458 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 2: thousand dollars for a drewgree as an archaeology major. So 459 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 2: it's it's all kind of like it's sort of like 460 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 2: the buffet of life. What do you what do you 461 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 2: want to try? What overwatching advice do you give young 462 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 2: people who might be listening to this program tonight. 463 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean you covered a lot of ground there, 464 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,120 Speaker 5: careers and investments and a lot of other stuff. Look, 465 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 5: follow your heart. You know, you gotta follow your heart, 466 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,719 Speaker 5: and you've got to do what you're passionate about. If 467 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:39,439 Speaker 5: you have a passion. If you have a passion, man 468 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 5: follow that no matter what that saying. You've got to 469 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 5: balance out a little bit with common sense. You know, 470 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 5: you don't want to, as you said, if you're living 471 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 5: under a bridge because you tried to become a musician 472 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 5: and it didn't work out. So when it comes to 473 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 5: the investments, the most important thing, by far is to 474 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 5: get started early. I mean, if you're twenty two years old, 475 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 5: just open or off IRA and put fifty bucks a 476 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 5: month into it. I promise if you do that month 477 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 5: and a month out to your seat, you'll be a 478 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 5: multi millionaire. It's just the way the math works if 479 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 5: you invest in a reasonable fund. But you know, you know, 480 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 5: life's slice funny. You got to balance what you want 481 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 5: to do with making good decisions financially. You know, I 482 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 5: was pretty smart in high school. I was head at 483 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 5: the top of a you know, I think it was 484 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 5: number six out of five hundred kids. And I graduated 485 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,439 Speaker 5: especial early and joined the Marine Corps infantry right at 486 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 5: six point one and one hundred and thirty pounds. Yeah, 487 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 5: so everybody told me I was insane, and that was 488 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 5: the best thing I ever did in my life. So 489 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 5: you do you have to kind of follow your guy. 490 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 2: Well, at six one, one hundred and thirty pounds, you 491 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 2: weren't an easy target, that's for sure. 492 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:35,120 Speaker 4: Yeah. 493 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 5: No, I wasn't an easy target, but a little tall. 494 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 2: You know, down got it in that foxhole. Keep your 495 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 2: head down. That's that's a fighting hole. 496 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 5: The even foxholes they hide you fight out of os. 497 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,400 Speaker 2: No, I got it, I got it. They look ron 498 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 2: really pleasure to talk to you. Tell how long have 499 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 2: you you've been doing this a while. I'm guessing at 500 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 2: least twenty years. 501 00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, if I was in a I was a classically 502 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 5: financial advisor for almost a decade that I took a 503 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 5: detour into private eqhen you real estate and credit for 504 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 5: thirteen years, but I was still involved in the financial 505 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 5: markets and it's so called on financial advisors. So I 506 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 5: think it makes for a good, pretty good perspective. I've 507 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 5: got on both sides of the death of the speak, 508 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 5: and you know, I wanted to come back to the 509 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,199 Speaker 5: side and hung my single for the second time in January. 510 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 2: Good for you. If folks want to get in touch 511 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 2: with you. I assume you have a website that's. 512 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 5: Easy, Yes, sir, so Glasgow investments dot com. That's Glasgow, 513 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,360 Speaker 5: like the city in Scotland investments dot com. 514 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate it. We'll have you back again. I 515 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,199 Speaker 2: think that the advice that you give to people are 516 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 2: just so important. I know that, you know, I started 517 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 2: relatively young. I wasn't this wandest guy in the world, 518 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 2: and I've invested in some dumb things along the way, 519 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 2: but I always always wanted to make sure that I 520 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 2: had a place to live, and my best investments have 521 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 2: always been real estate, you know, and just the homes 522 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 2: I lived in. Uh, it's it's worked for me, and 523 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 2: that's why I'm somebody who really hopes young people will 524 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 2: get out of the rental market as soon as they can, 525 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 2: uh and get get something that they have ownership of, 526 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 2: so that they're just not pouring money down the drain 527 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 2: as renters. That's that's my philosophy. But I'm not a 528 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 2: financial strategist like you are, so I very much stand 529 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 2: uh and understand that your wisdom is much deeper than mine, 530 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 2: for sure. 531 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know about that, and I'm not anti 532 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 5: real estate. Said, We've owned places and you know, they 533 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 5: made good money. And I'm in California, I mean real 534 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 5: estate team. So but uh yeah, it's the hard thing 535 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 5: today is just getting started when you're that age. Well 536 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 5: there's a Wilder's away. You got to start with something small, 537 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 5: but uh yeah, it is important to get invested in it. 538 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 5: But man, if you're twenty five and you just want 539 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 5: to live downtown about around for a couple of years 540 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 5: and try to you know, day trade. 541 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 2: That's okay. Yeah, there you go. Yeah. The lawyer who 542 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 2: I trained with many years ago always used to say 543 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 2: where there's a will, there is relatives, so's to keep 544 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 2: that one in mind as well. Ron Glasgow appreciate it 545 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 2: very much. Glasgow Investment Solutions. Thanks Ron, Thanks sure, have 546 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 2: you back. We'll get back. We're going to talk about 547 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 2: a very interesting development at airport's nationwide. This is post Thanksgiving. 548 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 2: The TSA is now charging a forty five dollars fee 549 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 2: for people who do not have what's called the real IDs. 550 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 2: We're gonna talk with a woman named either Andrea or Andrea, 551 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 2: not sure which pronunciation. Well, we'll figure that one out. 552 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 2: She's a travel reporter for the Washington Post, or as 553 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 2: we call it, an abiz the wappole. Coming back on 554 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 2: Nightside with Andrea Andrea or Andrea Sacks, but we'll figure 555 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 2: it out. Coming back on Nightside after. 556 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: This night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio. 557 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 2: My guest is Andrea Sacks. She's a travel reporter for 558 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 2: the Washington Post, originally from Massive. It's Andrea. I got 559 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 2: to tell you a little trivia here. I can take 560 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 2: the six letters of my name, Dan Ray, mix them 561 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 2: all up and it spells one of my favorite names 562 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 2: of women, and that is Andrea. I'm d e r ea. 563 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 2: So we have something to common here anyway. Welcome to 564 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 2: Guy's brilliant Welcome to night Side. I think we've had 565 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 2: you on before, if I'm not mistaken, at least I 566 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 2: think we did. 567 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 6: Yes, I did a shout out to my family, so 568 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 6: I'll do another shout out if you want to extended 569 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:31,479 Speaker 6: radio family. 570 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, but shout out where are you? Where's your your 571 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 2: family from? Generally we've got a couple. 572 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 6: Of times we're from Long Meadow, Western mass But now 573 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 6: everyone is concentrated in like the Canton area, All right, sure, 574 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 6: wellthly Wayland area. 575 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, So look, I remember a few years 576 00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 2: ago when we were told, I think it was the 577 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 2: deadline was October twentieth and if you didn't get the 578 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 2: real ID on your driver's license, you'd never be able 579 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 2: to travel on an airplane domestically, and you couldn't get 580 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 2: into a federal government building of any sort. And this 581 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 2: was all, you know, a lot of pressure on us. Now, 582 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 2: I guess they're saying, hey, if you don't have a 583 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 2: real ID, give us some give us forty five dollars 584 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 2: and we'll be able to get you on the plane. 585 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 2: How did this happen the TSA. No, I mean they 586 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 2: took the TSA has a side hustle going on here, Andrew, 587 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 2: what's up with that? 588 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,959 Speaker 6: I mean it took twenty years to get to get 589 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 6: her act together. And now since May, we've been required 590 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 6: to have a real ID if we're using a driver's license. 591 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 6: But there is an asterisk to that, which is you 592 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 6: can use your passport if you've a military ID. There 593 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 6: are plenty of other IDs. It's not really the real ID, 594 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 6: but most of us use a driver's license, and so 595 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 6: I had a grace period where they would still accept 596 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 6: the older, non real ID driver's licenses. But now they 597 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 6: are being firm parents and they're saying, come February one, 598 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 6: if you do not have that or the other alternatives, 599 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 6: they're going to charge you forty five dollars. 600 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 3: To get through security. 601 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 6: Not guaranteed they still will charge you, but now they're 602 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 6: going to use biometrics instead of questions like what was 603 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 6: your first car or who was your first boyfriend? 604 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 2: So biometrics, I think I know what you mean by that, 605 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 2: but tell me how are they going to create the biometrics? 606 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 2: I mean, normally you have to prove who you are 607 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 2: to create biometrics. You show up at the airport with 608 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 2: you know, two twenties and a five. What biometrics are 609 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 2: they using your fingerprints on the money right? 610 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 6: And they have no if they don't have a baseline, 611 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 6: like obviously a lot of us are in the system 612 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 6: if you have pre check or global entry, like they 613 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 6: pick collect background information, So I don't know how they're 614 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 6: going to if they scan your faith and fingerprints and 615 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 6: it's not in the database. There are a lot of 616 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 6: unknown So far, all we know is how much we're 617 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 6: being charged. And it was eighteen dollars a couple of 618 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 6: weeks ago, and now it is increased to forty five 619 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 6: dollars because it says that's going to cover their technology 620 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 6: costs and training costs. But they haven't explained how they're 621 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 6: going to do it, and like what the venue will 622 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 6: be a kiosk? Will it be almost like we go 623 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 6: up to TSA now and they still take our picture 624 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 6: but they use their IDs. So there's a lot of 625 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 6: unknowns except for the price tag. 626 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 2: No I get that it's too bad. We didn't invest 627 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 2: this as a as a future as futures when it 628 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 2: was eighteen that's not bad. That's like I know one 629 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty percent increase. I just did the math 630 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 2: in my head and I think I'm right. That's one 631 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty percent increase, do you know? And again, 632 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 2: I know this is a story that's even evolving. And 633 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 2: I was cautioned by my producer Marita Today aka Lightning, 634 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 2: that this is really a story that you followed wing. 635 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 2: But there's there's a lot of twists in the road here. 636 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 2: Do we know at this point what prompted this change? 637 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 5: Is this? 638 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 2: I hate to put it like this, but is this 639 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:14,359 Speaker 2: a money grab or or did somebody in the Trump 640 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 2: administration say, hey, we got another revenue stream here? You know? 641 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:24,279 Speaker 2: Was this Sean Duffy's idea the Transportation secretary? I'd love 642 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 2: to know. 643 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 6: He's too busy, like asking us to wear formal outfits 644 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 6: and no more pajamas. So he's busy with that, like 645 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 6: making sure we dress up for our uncomfortable flight and 646 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 6: can't breathe. But I don't know. I mean, the saying 647 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 6: is ninety four percent of passengers US travelers are ID compliant, 648 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 6: so ninety four percent have been showing up. So it's 649 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,959 Speaker 6: a very small percentage of people who show up without 650 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 6: their proper IDs. So I don't know. I don't know 651 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,279 Speaker 6: if this is just a threat, like come on, people, 652 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 6: get your act together, or you're going to have to 653 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 6: pay a fine, or they really see this as a 654 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 6: revenue stream, which the TSAY sources did say it was 655 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 6: they just capitalizing on people's forgetfulness. But they also had 656 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 6: been around. 657 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:14,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, either capitalizing their forgetfulness or their absolute indolence. I mean, 658 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 2: they've had enough time. 659 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:18,760 Speaker 4: I agree. 660 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,399 Speaker 2: If you're a frequent flyer. Can you imagine if you're 661 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 2: somebody who flies back and forth between a couple of 662 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 2: city forty five bucks every time you got to fly 663 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 2: off to somewhere and come back home. Eventually that runs 664 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 2: into money. I was thinking about when you said six 665 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 2: percent of the people don't have real ID or you know, 666 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,279 Speaker 2: or passport with them. They they cleared. I think it 667 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 2: was three point one million people the other day. Six 668 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:47,399 Speaker 2: percent or three point one million people. That's that's that's 669 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 2: a few folks. You know, you're you're talking about one 670 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 2: hundred and eighty thousand people there who on that day 671 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,760 Speaker 2: would be walking up forty five dollars. Maybe it's a scam, 672 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:01,720 Speaker 2: or I didn't want to film up the system. 673 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 6: It does like PSA officers now have to like pull 674 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,399 Speaker 6: that person aside and do like additional screaming and things 675 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 6: of that sort. But like you were at the fires, 676 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 6: they have their real ID or they have clear or 677 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 6: prechep or whatever. So I think it's more the infrequent, 678 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 6: especially during holiday travel, and people don't fly as much 679 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 6: and they might not be prepared. And if they haven't 680 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 6: flown since, you know, the last time they flew was 681 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 6: last year, they might not or read the real idea 682 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 6: is now mandated. 683 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure the grandma or grandpa who don't get 684 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,240 Speaker 2: out of the house much and maybe haven't been driving 685 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,879 Speaker 2: a car in a couple of years where they went 686 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 2: to the home, they probably were easy march. I think. 687 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 2: I say, if they lift people with their PJS on 688 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 2: the plane, you know, charge them in next to twenty 689 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,959 Speaker 2: bucks and then everybody would be happy. 690 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 4: I know that. 691 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a good surcharge. I support that. 692 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 2: Andrew, great right to your voice. Thanks so much for 693 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 2: joining us. Enjoy talking with you as I'm sure I 694 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 2: hope you can't tell uh, and I do have a 695 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 2: soft spot in my heart for the first name, a 696 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,360 Speaker 2: female name of Andrea because I can move the letters 697 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 2: around and it's Dan Ray. 698 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 6: So anyway, just which means my name has your name 699 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:18,759 Speaker 6: in it too, So. 700 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 3: For that work both ways. 701 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,759 Speaker 2: Excellent, excellent. We'll say, how do you family for us? 702 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:31,959 Speaker 2: That's for sure, Thanks so much. Uh, we'll talk soon. Okay, 703 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 2: thank you so much. 704 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 6: Sounds great. Having a night all right, we come back. 705 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:40,280 Speaker 2: We're going to talk about a little transparency in Massachusetts 706 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 2: government or lack thereof. There was a drug bust, pretty 707 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:49,760 Speaker 2: significant drug bust a few weeks ago, and we're gonna 708 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,800 Speaker 2: we're gonna talk with Mike Kaneely. He's one of the 709 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:57,320 Speaker 2: Republicans running for governor. Uh, and he's uh, he's calling 710 00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,440 Speaker 2: the governor out on car on the carpet on this one. 711 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 2: So we will talk with Mike Kneely right after the 712 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 2: nine o'clock news here on Nightside. And by the way, 713 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,279 Speaker 2: button up, it's gonna get really cold in the next 714 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 2: few days. We're gonna we're gonna go from late fall 715 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,800 Speaker 2: into deep winter really quickly. So get ready, it's gonna 716 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,760 Speaker 2: be a shocker. Coming back on Nightside.