WEBVTT - EITM: If You Fly With The Crows 8/5/26 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:02.480 You know in the past we've talked about or I 0:00:02.480 --> 0:00:06.680 guess maybe it's well known that crows tend to be 0:00:06.880 --> 0:00:08.160 very smart birds. 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:10.600 Yeah, we've heard that, and that almost to. 0:00:10.560 --> 0:00:15.760 The point where they can recognize individual people and remember that. 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:19.599 Are they big on revenge? 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:23.480 I think we learned that also. That sounds right. Remember 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:27.040 one cornered me in the garage one time? Be okay, truth? 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:27.920 Yes? 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:30.240 No, say it true story? 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:31.560 Yes? 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:34.120 Wait? Cornered you in the garage? 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:37.839 Yeah, because it remembered you, like, oh, I don't know. 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:40.640 Maybe it was mad at me about something. Maybe I 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:42.440 got too close to a ness or I don't know 0:00:42.479 --> 0:00:44.880 what it was, but I maybe. 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:47.199 It was in a parking garage and was like, no, no, no, 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:49.440 this is garage at our house. 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:53.599 And it was on the outside, sitting menacingly on a 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:56.560 trash can, just looking at me, and it was like 0:00:56.600 --> 0:00:58.480 two feet away from me. And I stood in the 0:00:58.520 --> 0:01:00.400 garage for like a half an hour till away. 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:04.679 So is it less revenge and more like they hold grudges? 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:06.120 Yeah, that could be. 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:07.800 I think that's what we have been told. 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:08.440 That could be. 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:12.280 But did you know there's a whole community of people 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:16.440 that what's the I don't I know the term that 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:19.760 they use, but I don't know what what like the real. 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:20.240 Term is. 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:25.679 Okay, well, but people, but they they say, one of them, 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:26.680 I've got a crowbro? 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:29.240 What a crowbro? 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:30.880 What does that mean? 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:36.160 Like they almost train them to be like they're pet yes. 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:39.200 To what extent? 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:43.080 To the extent where So I was reading I was 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:47.160 reading this story about this woman right, and she was 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:50.840 talking about how in the summer of twenty twenty four, 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:58.320 I noticed a crow who seemed to be around when 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:01.760 I was outside, Like they'd be outside, like just whether 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:03.640 they're working in the yard or whatever it is that 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:08.000 they're doing. And she was like, listen, the family has 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:10.880 bird feeders, so i'd be out there filling those up, 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:13.799 or you know, I'd be like working in the yard, 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:16.560 or we'd just be outside, and I noticed that there 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:21.920 was this crow that was hanging around. So one time 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:25.000 I tossed a few little bits of apple toward the 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:27.240 ground below where. 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:28.399 The crow was perched. 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:36.480 He fluttered down to investigate, and then like sometimes there 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:39.799 would be two crows, and sometimes the second crow would 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:41.679 go with the first crow. 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:46.000 To go down there. And so this would go on 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:47.440 somewhat regularly. 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:51.280 So this woman or would see this crow out in 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:54.919 the like perch stuff somewhere, so she would throw, you know, 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:57.280 like some apples over there's like some peanuts or I 0:02:57.280 --> 0:02:59.320 don't know what the hell you feed a crow. But like, 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:01.760 by the way, it's no different than Diane feeding the 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:03.560 stupid bunnies in her backyard. 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:07.079 Yeah, I mean crowsily garbage. 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:11.720 Yes, so, but she was throwing like food down by 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:16.919 where the like the crow would perch. And again they said, 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:18.720 every so often there'd be like a second crow or 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:22.880 something that would also go check it out. This went 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:28.520 on for months, not like it was a problem, but 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:30.880 it would be like, oh, I see the crow. I 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:32.880 don't know if you know it's the same crow. I 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:34.800 would not know it's the same crow. You would just 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:37.880 think it's another bird. So anyway, for months she's like 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:43.520 throwing a peanut or whatever it is. Months passed, and 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:47.520 then one morning I heard an odd clattering at the 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:50.520 mailbox that's a fix to the front door of our house, 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:52.640 and I peeked outside. 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:54.120 The crow was. 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:57.240 Sitting on our porch, railing with an envelope that he 0:03:57.280 --> 0:03:59.360 had plucked from the open mailbox. 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:02.640 The crow was still. 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:05.040 There when I reappeared on the porch a couple moments 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:09.760 later with some raw cashews, which he immediately hopped forward 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:11.680 to eat from the stone steps. 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:15.400 And that began our relationship in earnest. 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:16.240 Who is this? 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:17.559 Say again? 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:18.200 Who is this? 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:19.120 Who is this? 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:22.039 Yes? I was talking about the relationship with a crow 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:26.920 Caitlyn Gibson, and it's a she's a writer for what. 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:28.880 The Washington Post? Yeah? 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:32.240 Yeah, she writes for the Washington Post. Caitlyn Gibson is 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:34.640 her name. I don't know anything about her, but this 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:36.680 is the start of her relationship with the crow. 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:40.760 Yes, she's got a crow, bro. Yeah. 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:44.400 And he was holding the envelope, right, I think. 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:46.800 The envelope was just happenstance. I don't think. I don't 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:49.520 think the crow was like, well, there's mail in the mailbox, 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:50.960 let me give it to Caitlin. 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:54.560 I just think it was like he was getting at 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:57.719 the mailbox and then she came out and threw down 0:04:57.839 --> 0:04:58.720 some cashews. 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:01.920 Well I see her or piece now. And you skipped 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:06.960 the part where she asked the crow, what are you doing? 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:11.640 Okay? Well that is he was jealous. The crow didn't 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:12.080 answer her. 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:14.200 He was jealously ripping it apart, and he didn't fly 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:17.320 away when I asked, what are you doing in a 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:21.800 tone that was equally astonished and delighted, Let me get 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:22.880 my sound effect ready. 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:28.520 In the weeks that followed, the crow quickly. 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:31.920 Learned to perch outside our dining room window and look 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:33.919 in whenever he wanted a snack. 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:37.680 She named the crow Kormac. I don't know what that means. 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:39.039 I don't know there's a name. 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:43.839 I am not alone. Many have sought this same connection 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:49.720 within the growing world of bird enthusiasts fans of corvids, 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:55.720 which are crows, ravens, and jays. There are their own 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:58.080 passionate and growing group of people. 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:03.320 They want a crow. Why are you skipping the best parts? Why? 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:06.479 After she said? In the weeks that followed, the crow 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:10.040 quickly learned to perch outside. She writes, I was to 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:11.920 put it mildly thrilled. 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:17.080 Okay, well, if you want to be if you. 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:21.280 If you want a crow, bro and it's hanging out, 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:22.400 of course you're happy. 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:26.880 It's like your computer didn't populate the sentences that had italics. 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:35.960 What are you doing? I don't think she's crazy. Okay, 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:37.400 she's a burder. 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:39.919 Oh why do you want her to be? Our next? 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:40.160 Dan? 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:44.920 Morse, you want to track her down. She's more than 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:45.920 a burder. 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:47.360 The no, not at all. 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:51.039 Yes, but there's a whole group of people that have 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:53.640 have pet crows that aren't really their. 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:59.160 Pets, and they are, to put it mildly crazy. 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:07.000 Drilled crows and ravens frequently lurk near humans, recognizing them 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:11.560 as a husefule, a useful source of food to scavenge. 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:16.600 These birds have coevolved with us for a couple million years. 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:19.720 Others approached the birds differently. 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:22.520 In the early nineteen hundreds, it was common for people 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:26.200 who lived in proximity of clothes to take nestling birds 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:27.200 and raise them as. 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:35.119 Pets that I don't recommend, but not just the pet 0:07:35.120 --> 0:07:40.560 on the perch outside the window, like an actual domesticated troll. 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:42.880 She talks about what is the lady's name, Caitlin. 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:46.080 Caitlin talks about there was a guy who used to 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:48.800 like when he would go out in the morning, he 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:50.680 would start his car and drive off, and as he 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:53.360 would drive off, he would throw peanuts out the window 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:57.240 for the crows. It got to the point where he 0:07:57.280 --> 0:07:59.680 would go outside and start the car. They said for 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:01.960 crow it was like the ice cream truck coming down 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:05.880 the street like they knew every day. Now, Caitlin, or 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:08.080 as Tyler would like me to call her, crazy Caitlin, 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:14.800 she is. She doesn't know how old the crow is, 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:17.160 so she doesn't know how much longer she has with it. 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:23.320 Did you read about her conversation with Kevin McGowan, Who's. 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:26.920 That another crowbro and ace? 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:29.320 Or to see a guy who studies Yes, a scientist 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:33.200 at the Cornell Lab of Forornithology, go ahead, who has 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:37.600 spent over thirty five years studying crows. I explained the 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:40.440 evolution of my routine. I admitted that I was often 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:42.760 so elated to see the bird appear in the window 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:45.000 that I would rush to meet him in the backyard 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:55.200 right away. Kevin chuckled, he has you well trained, and 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:58.800 the you is italicized. It's weird, you don't have any 0:08:58.880 --> 0:08:59.840 of the best parts. 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:03.599 No, because he's a woman who is trying to befriend 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:04.160 the crow. 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:09.240 I think we actually should. Because she's a colleague of Dan's. 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:10.880 Get Dan on the phone. 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:14.240 The girl crazy. 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:16.760 I know what they talk about at lunch. 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:22.480 No, here you go, who fed you say again? Of 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:30.920 the crow? They got me trained? Hi Ellie in the morning, yeah, Hi, 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:31.320 who's this. 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:32.959 Hi? 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:33.680 This is Aaron. 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:36.320 By the way, the headline of Caitlin Crazy. 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:39.640 Caitlyn's Thing is I befriended my neighborhood crow. 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:42.920 You can too, So it's all about how you can 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:45.760 do this, and he and she loves it. She thinks 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:46.360 it's great. 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:47.560 Oh, I can do this. 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:50.439 I thought I was prohibited. 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:54.560 I'm sorry, yes, ma'am, yes, ma'am. 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:56.719 Sorry, I lost you for a second on Randolph Road. 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:02.280 So my cousin is exactly this way. She lived in 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:06.080 North Bethesda in like those high rise apartments, and she 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:09.079 has crows. She had crows that would come to her 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:12.880 and give her pebbles and give her like trinkets back. 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:16.160 So not if only would she like give them peanuts 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:18.120 or something and just kind of hang out with them, 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:20.520 but they would bring back things for her like that. 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:23.000 So that is like definitely a thing. She has since 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:26.240 moved to fairbax in a different apartment and has brand 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:29.640 new crows that she developed this relationship with like that, 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:32.400 like they know when she comes home and they bring 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:35.000 her things and then she gives them a peanut. By 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:36.719 the way, it's definitely a thing, it. 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:40.040 Says Tyler will find it because it's probably italicized. But 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:44.520 there's somewhere in the article where where crazy Caitlin says 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:47.800 that the oh maybe it was somebody who was telling 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:51.760 her that, like the envelope, it wasn't like getting the mail, 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:56.280 but was very similar where it's a barter system where 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:58.720 it's like I bring you something, you bring me something, 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:02.439 and they just go on to talk about how smart 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:06.920 the crows are, and so they're bringing Caitlin something and 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:09.199 she's giving them something in return. 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:13.200 I believe they see. 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:15.640 It as they that's that's how smart they are, Like 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:19.920 genuinely like those those crazy birds from really smart because 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:22.360 they know where they're getting their food from and they 0:11:22.400 --> 0:11:25.440 know it's a steady source of food, so they will 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:29.000 barter rather than just scavenging and being crazy and running around. 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:32.160 Right, No, crazy Caitlin's crazy. The no, No, it's the 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:34.280 old eye. Scratch your back, you scratch minds. 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:38.000 They essentially possess the intelligence of a seven year old. 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:42.120 Okay, that's smarter. Yeah, but like we look at a 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:44.440 sep like, I know, I'm a thousand times smarter than 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:45.080 a seven. 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:47.720 Years but they highlight they like they it's almost like 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:51.240 they make tools. They can bend twigs to pull food 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:53.679 out if they can't get to it with their their beak. 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:56.559 They they understand water displacement. 0:11:57.200 --> 0:12:00.640 Yeah, all of that is fine and dandy. Oh yeah, 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:04.640 I'm focusing more on Caitlin's relationship with Cormac. And by 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:07.360 the way, in the part of the article oh where 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:12.760 this barter or trading is discussed, there is an emphasis 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:15.960 placed on a word and it's hers, not mine. Not 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:20.720 everyone is dazzled by these creative and charismatic birds. After 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:23.400 a Seattle eight year old went viral for her vast 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:26.840 collection of trinkets and offerings left by crows who visited 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:29.959 her yard, her family had to settle out of court 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:32.920 after being sued by the neighbors for damage caused by 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:40.800 the birds. I'd be so pissed at my kid. 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:46.559 Line five. Hi Elliet in the morning. Hi the same, Yeah, Hi, 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:46.959 who's this? 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:48.320 Hi. 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:51.559 My name is Cindy and I live in Crosston and 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:56.360 I have about a twelve burder approach. There's like twelve 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:58.920 and one murder that come to my patio and I 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:02.080 feed them and they're wonderful. 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:04.520 And we think Caitlin's crazy. This is crazy. 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:09.480 Cindy of crafted Wait, so you feed twelve crows, and 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:11.760 do they come every day and like hang out and 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:12.240 watch you? 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:15.800 They will if I feed them every day, But you 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:17.719 don't want to do that because you don't want them 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:20.800 getting in the habit of not hunting and gathering for themselves. 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:24.320 But I do switch out their food, and some days 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:27.720 I get sticks and twigs, other days, most days I 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:31.760 get bones. They give me old chicken bones to say 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:32.199 thank you. 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:40.040 That's mentioned Caitlin who says, wait, hold on, go ahead, 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:42.840 that you have to wait, hold on, ma'am, hold on, ma'am, 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:44.720 hold on, you have to and that got you loves 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:48.520 a slanted word. You have to accept them on their terms. 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:51.800 Sometimes their gifts might be squirrel bones. 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:57.839 Oh I'm sorry, Diane, there's seven. It's not like they 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:00.880 went shopping. Thanks crow anyway. 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:03.120 So Cindy, you how long have you been doing this? 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:10.200 Six years when I moved into my new house six years. Yes, yes, 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:15.280 And so I switch out their food. They don't like 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:18.040 so micros don't like blueberries. They would throw them out 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:21.000 and let the squirrels have them. But they like nut 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:22.560 and they like chicken hearts. 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:26.400 And wait a minute, so you're not just giving them 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:28.320 stuff you're shopping for them. 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:31.920 Yes, play that cuckoo thing. 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:35.800 Chicken hearts the Yeah, you can get chicken hearts of course. 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:36.120 Yeah. 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:39.440 They're dog trees. They're freeze dried, and they just dip 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:39.720 them in. 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:40.440 Water and eat them. 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:43.320 They dip them in water. You're not doing that. That's 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:45.400 like chewing their food and giving it to you. Guys, 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:49.840 do some goddamn work. You're bringing me a squirrel bone. Thanks, No, 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:51.840 I get it, I get it all right, very good, 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:53.960 thank you. She's got a murder of twelve. 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:57.440 We tend to focus on their traits we find appealing, 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:02.080 like how they bring you gift, and ignore the ones 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:05.640 we don't find some appealing, like how they sometimes mate 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:12.960 with the dead. I know we knew about their grudge 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:17.320 holding and their recognition of faces. Have we ever had 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:20.400 anyone tell us that they will hump a corpse? 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:23.600 Wait? Can I can ask a question like a like 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:25.040 a fellow crow corpse? 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:25.480 Yes? 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:29.040 Aren't they? Aren't? They very monogamous crows? 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:34.640 Very monogamousship No no, no, no, like like they pair like 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:38.360 like like eagles, but they pair together. 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:40.960 I don't know the answers to that, but I do 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:41.800 know now. 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:44.000 So if they seem like a dead squirrel on the ground, 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:45.880 like it's another dead crow. 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:52.200 Oh maybe they just think she's sleeping. Hey, that one's funny. 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:58.600 This from corvid Research dot blog. They put they put 0:15:58.640 --> 0:15:59.960 the crow in necro feel. 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:01.280 Yeah. 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:02.840 Oh that's a good sticker. 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:05.560 That's a Hey, remind me when we run out of 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:06.840 Elliott the Morning stickers. 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:11.720 That's next. Oh wait link two. Hi Elliott the Morning. 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:13.960 Hi. 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:15.680 Yeah, Hi, who's this? 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:16.440 Oh? 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:19.560 Hi, I'd rather not use my name if that's okay. 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:20.760 But I hate to work with Caitlyn. 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:23.040 Hey is she crazy? 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:27.320 She's actually not crazy. She's really lovely. 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:30.320 Hey where did you did you? Did you work at 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:31.720 the Washington Post? 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:32.560 Good? 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:34.880 Were you one of the were you one of the 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:35.840 ones that got let go? 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:37.240 Sure? 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:41.560 I'm sorry about that. Yeah that sucks. It's like, yeah, no, 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:45.000 you're doing better. You're doing better. It's like working at iHeart. 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:47.400 The But you knew, you knew Caitlin. But Caitlin's not 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:48.760 like the crazy bird lady. 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:51.040 No her. 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:53.200 I mean, I think, like a lot of us during COVID, 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:55.760 we've developed some sort of like bird interest. 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:58.600 And okay, you know she's doing this, she's doing this now, 0:16:58.680 --> 0:16:59.880 and we're out of COVID. 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:04.479 Yes, yeah, I think it started like the interest in 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:07.240 general around like you know, coming back to the office 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:09.119 and talking about water cooler. There's a lot of people 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:11.720 that were talking about birds and the birds they saw 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:14.720 and were the sea birds, and photographers were trying to, 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:16.639 you know, get more bird pictures. 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:17.359 Now they do. 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:20.200 Caitlin points it out in her story, but of course 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:25.960 she's going to that the bird enthusiast population has grown 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:28.680 tremendously and she's not wrong. Like we hear those stories 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:33.600 about a bird of sap and everybody drive, well, remember 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:36.119 there was that kid who saw the bird in somewhere 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:40.000 around here, like some gray something or other, and people started, 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:43.600 no put intended, flocking by his neighborhood to go see it. 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:47.240 Yeah, yeah, I mean I think we also have bald 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:49.560 eagles here, and you know, there was a lot of 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:52.080 chatter not only with the eagle cams, the men. Every 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:55.359 time sure like a reporter would see the bald eagles 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:57.239 in like the morning meeting, was like, hey, did you 0:17:57.720 --> 0:18:00.280 see the bald eagles are back end? Where are they? 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:02.280 I'm sorry that was in the morning meeting. When that 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:04.160 would happen, would Caitlin just kind of go. 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:08.600 Just like you know, there's totter before like the newest 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:11.480 meeting and you know, talking about the fun things that 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:14.200 exist while your colleague good. 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:16.480 I'm glad that she's not full crazy. 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:19.960 No, I think we're all a little crazy, right am, 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:21.879 All right, very. 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:24.040 Good, very good, Thank you, ma'am. Thank you. I'm glad 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:24.760 you're doing better. 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:29.040 The oldest known fish crow or is that what Cormack is? 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:29.600 A fish crow? 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:30.880 Fish crow? It's a type of crow. 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:34.120 I don't know all the different types of crows, black crows, 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:35.920 fish crows. 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:43.160 It says, row crow. His nasal staccato vocalization set him 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:47.920 apart from his American comrades. Anyway, That's not the point 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:50.320 that I was going to make. I just I didn't 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:52.360 know what a fish crow was. No, but it's there's 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:55.040 different kinds of trout. But she says, thank you all, 0:18:56.160 --> 0:19:01.080 thank goodness that collar hung up. Treat it like a 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:05.560 news rem meeting. The oldest known fish crow was fourteen 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:08.800 years old, but the average lifespan is closer to seven years. 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:10.840 Oh, that's what I'm saying. Caitlin doesn't know how long 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:11.880 she's going to have Cormac. 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:13.879 I don't know what it means to him when we 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:17.600 are together in the backyard under the mulberry tree, as 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:21.040 he hops and squawks and catches the cashews I toss him. 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:25.200 Hey, I know washing to Post lady back, Caitlyn's crazy. 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:28.800 I know what it means to me, though, Oh poor Caitlyn. 0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:31.040 It is rare to feel so anchored in the present 0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:35.840 moment and within the arc of an entwined evolutionary history. 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:39.440 Our modern lives, often obscure, are enduring, tether to the 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:40.720 natural world. 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:46.800 She's well written, but more than that, well Hurst whatever, Okay, 0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:49.720 I write like the last Washington Post employee. 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:52.680 But more than two million years later, crows are still here, 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:56.320 watching us and reminding us. Perhaps that even more than 0:19:56.320 --> 0:20:00.720 the tattered piece of cardboard that my daughter mildly tucked 0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:04.320 in or keepsake box just hit the cuckoo. Sounds a 0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:05.359 true gift. 0:20:08.280 --> 0:20:11.159 Where am I going? Kristen Line four? Hi Ellie at 0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:14.679 the morning? Hey, good morning, Yes sir, what can I 0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:15.240 do for you? 0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:16.640 Hey? 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:20.400 I just thought I would mention Jake from the Shawshank Redemption. 0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:23.000 Oh yes, stand pet crow? 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:23.760 Remember so? 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:27.399 Yeah, that was the pet crow raised by. 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:33.160 Broke right now, who's crazy? Exactly? Thank you, sir. Thank you. 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:39.040 So you had asked us to reach out to Dan 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:41.879 Morris a week or so ago. Do you want to 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:42.960 talk to Caitlin? 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:44.199