WEBVTT - 2-27-26 Sloan with Ken Kober

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<v Speaker 1>You want to be an a mad Here we go

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<v Speaker 1>Friday Morning Scott Flunds Show, seven hundred WLW. Before we

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<v Speaker 1>get into the fun stuff on Friday Morning's laid dude.

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<v Speaker 1>We got business to take care of, including this. The

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<v Speaker 1>City of Cincinnati's extending its contract with the law firm

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<v Speaker 1>here their independent Council Frost Brown Todd to review the

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<v Speaker 1>effectiveness of leadership within the Cincinnati Police Department of what.

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<v Speaker 1>You may recall that Chief Terry Thiji was suspended, not fired,

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<v Speaker 1>suspended back in October, and so they're going to do

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<v Speaker 1>an investigation. The city is and I guess we have

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<v Speaker 1>more investigating because the contrast was extended till the twenty eighth.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course that's tomorrow. They said we still need more time,

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<v Speaker 1>so we're going to give you another month. And the

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<v Speaker 1>problem with this is its costing taxpayer is more. The

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<v Speaker 1>third round, I guess is on the house. It was

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<v Speaker 1>nine thousand dollars to the extended play to tomorrow, and

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<v Speaker 1>so you're talking close to fifty grand. What's all said

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<v Speaker 1>and done, and again we have the issue here is

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<v Speaker 1>you fired someone in chief, Terry Thiji, and now you

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<v Speaker 1>need months to figure out why you fired her in

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<v Speaker 1>the first place. FOP President Ken Kobra, Welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you, brother, Hey Scott, Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so forty nine k Diji's still on paid administrative leave.

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<v Speaker 1>She's still getting paid her two hundred and three thousand

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<v Speaker 1>dollars salary. I don't know if Henny got a bump.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd imagine he was as interim chief. This is costing

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<v Speaker 1>a ton of money.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure it is. Not only is it costing the taxpayers

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of money, there's a lot of uncertainty right

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<v Speaker 2>now in the police department. It's something that the men

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<v Speaker 2>and women of this department are owed to know who's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be in charge of this place and who's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be in charge permanently. And the longer they

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<v Speaker 2>drag it along, the more uncertain it is of what's

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<v Speaker 2>really going on.

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<v Speaker 1>And at what point does the investigation stop being to

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<v Speaker 1>search for answers and clause and start being a way

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<v Speaker 1>to keep Fiji and Limbo indefinitely. I mean, if it

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<v Speaker 1>were clear cut, and typically when you get fired four

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<v Speaker 1>clause there's something that triggers that in your contracts. It's obvious,

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<v Speaker 1>and yet it's taking October November December January. We've got

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<v Speaker 1>five months of investigation and they still can't find out why.

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<v Speaker 1>What the hell's taken us along?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's a million dollar question. You think that

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<v Speaker 2>if you had just caused to fire somebody, you would

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<v Speaker 2>be so blatantly obvious to everybody to see that this

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<v Speaker 2>is why this is happening, and it's just not there.

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<v Speaker 2>They can't find anything. That's that's the whole problem with this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's nothing but a big scam to get rid of her,

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<v Speaker 2>and now they don't know what to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Does this undermine Adam Henny at this point? Because from

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<v Speaker 1>those I talked to outside of you, he seems like

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<v Speaker 1>a good guy. He's certainly qualified to be chief of

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<v Speaker 1>the City of Cincinnati. But this whole thing, as you

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned you alluded to Ken, it doesn't make his job easier.

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<v Speaker 1>There's only so much he can do because he's in

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<v Speaker 1>orm he doesn't have the full title. Yet it undermines

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<v Speaker 1>his authority and his ability to function, and therefore it

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<v Speaker 1>undermines the mission of cpd.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh without a doubt, you know, because like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>with him being just an interim, you're right, there's there's

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<v Speaker 2>permanent decisions that typically aren't made when you have an

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<v Speaker 2>interim chief. You know, it's not fair to him what's

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<v Speaker 2>going on. It's not fair to Chief SIGI to be

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<v Speaker 2>sitting at home going, well, what are they going to do?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, is today the day that they're gonna fire me?

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<v Speaker 2>You know what is today to day that there's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be some kind of conclusion And clearly that's not gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be the case because they've extended this yet another month.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I know, Terry, you haven't spoken since she was fired,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's you know, obviously because that's the advice and counsel.

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<v Speaker 1>I get that whole thing, but I don't know for

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<v Speaker 1>me or anyone listening. You're like, Okay, I get two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and three thousand dollars in full benefits and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to do anything. But at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the day, you want some closure.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, sure, you know, and she's she's already done, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>her full career. You came back after she retired, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's not like this is about money for her. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not like it's about you know, I'm you know, I've

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<v Speaker 2>got to got to be able to feed my family. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, this is something that she came back because

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<v Speaker 2>she felt driven to lead this department, and now it's

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<v Speaker 2>just everything's up in limbo and it's just not fair.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not how you treat somebody that's spent as many

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<v Speaker 2>years that she has, much less anybody you know that's

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<v Speaker 2>employed someplace. But unfortunately that's where we're at.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, they put her on leave before they

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<v Speaker 1>even hired a law firm to investigator. From your perspective,

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<v Speaker 1>what does that say about whether this is really ever

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<v Speaker 1>about due process?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we know that it's not. You know, they for

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<v Speaker 2>whatever reason, they decided they were going to get rid

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<v Speaker 2>of her, just like they did Michael Washington, and now

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<v Speaker 2>they're in in a spot where it's going to end

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<v Speaker 2>up costing them. And that's just we knew all along

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<v Speaker 2>that this wasn't about her effectiveness. This was they wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to go in a different direction, and instead of doing

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<v Speaker 2>things the right way, you know, they fumbled, unfortunately, like

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<v Speaker 2>they did many times before.

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<v Speaker 1>The tipping point was and this happened right after the

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<v Speaker 1>Fountain Square shooting and the individual who shot fired those

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<v Speaker 1>weapons at City Bird turns out he's free now because

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<v Speaker 1>it was ruled self defense. Because the two individuals inside

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<v Speaker 1>both under age and both in under disability. Mean they

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't have a gun fired at him from inside city?

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<v Speaker 1>Bird Chicken, how's that on the chief?

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly? It's not. You know, we still see that there's

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<v Speaker 2>there's still violence going on in this city. There's only

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<v Speaker 2>so much that the chief can do, There's only so

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<v Speaker 2>much that every uniform police officer can do. But to

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<v Speaker 2>try to put your crime stolely at the feet of

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<v Speaker 2>her is just not fair.

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<v Speaker 1>We know Ken Cober that share Long city manager sent

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<v Speaker 1>Chief DG an email in August that essentially ordered her

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<v Speaker 1>to clear all communications through the mayor's officeer go back

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<v Speaker 1>that far that started in August? Does the FLP do

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<v Speaker 1>you guys believe this investigation can truly be independent given

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<v Speaker 1>that context?

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's not. I mean it's in one investigation. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean you can go and look at her personnel file

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<v Speaker 2>and there's absolutely no discipline. And you would think if

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<v Speaker 2>if she was doing things that were so egregious that

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<v Speaker 2>they need to terminate her, you would think that there

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<v Speaker 2>would be at least some kind of paper trail other

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<v Speaker 2>than you know, one communication saying hey, everything needs to

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<v Speaker 2>get through me. That doesn't make any sense.

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<v Speaker 1>This is an indictment of Adam Henny, the now interim chief,

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<v Speaker 1>But he was a command officer who signed a citation

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<v Speaker 1>that downtown brawl case the mayor's request. I mean, let's

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<v Speaker 1>they say that didn't happen, but let's just call it

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<v Speaker 1>what it was. You need to charge a white guy

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<v Speaker 1>in this thing because of propriety, even though Chief now

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<v Speaker 1>Chief Henny wasn't on the scene and he took he

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<v Speaker 1>found the sword for his officers, which I think endears

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<v Speaker 1>him to beat cops for sure, saying hey, listen, he's

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<v Speaker 1>the guy who did this knowing he shouldn't have done it.

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<v Speaker 1>But what does that tell you? Though not about Adam Henny,

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<v Speaker 1>but what does that tell you about who the administration

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<v Speaker 1>trusts and why.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know Adam was certainly put in a bad

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<v Speaker 2>position that he had to make a decision. He stuck

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<v Speaker 2>up first trips, which I certainly appreciate, but he certainly

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<v Speaker 2>does call into some questions of how the timing and

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<v Speaker 2>things happen afterwards.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the comments that came out here when they appointed Frost,

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<v Speaker 1>Brown and Todd to extend this now for the third

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<v Speaker 1>time in order to find out why they fired Chief

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<v Speaker 1>Thiji back in October, they fired her or suspend her,

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<v Speaker 1>I should say, fired her, and now they're looking for

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<v Speaker 1>reasons why, and it's taking five months to do this.

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<v Speaker 1>The quote was I read with the broader goals and

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<v Speaker 1>objectives of the city administration, whether she further those that

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<v Speaker 1>brought her goals? Is that just them? It sounded to

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<v Speaker 1>me like when I read that quote, they're essentially asking

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<v Speaker 1>whether she was loyal enough to the may or, not

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<v Speaker 1>about law and order and the constitution and or swore

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<v Speaker 1>an oath, but loyalty to the administration. And that should ever,

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<v Speaker 1>should that ever be grounds for firing a police chief.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it shouldn't. And this is where Issue five comes

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<v Speaker 2>into play. Deal where the chief only has so much perfection,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's the problem. It's become a politicized position where

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<v Speaker 2>if you don't get along with the people at city Hall,

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<v Speaker 2>even if you're doing the right thing, it's just something

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<v Speaker 2>they don't like, you know, then you're going to end

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<v Speaker 2>up facing these consequences. And that's that's that's why we've

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<v Speaker 2>had so many different chiefs over the last ten twelve years. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Issue five was sold to the voters like an accountability measure,

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<v Speaker 1>but take us through that. For those who may not

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<v Speaker 1>recall what Issue fives is, how it plays in here,

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<v Speaker 1>describe that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, prior to it was like twenty ten. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>the police chief and the fire chief as well. They

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<v Speaker 2>were hired and then they were they stayed in the

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<v Speaker 2>collective bargaining unit, so they were protected by our contract.

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<v Speaker 2>Issue five took that away to where they could hire

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<v Speaker 2>anybody from outside the department if they wish, and they

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<v Speaker 2>would have no collective bargaining protection, which is why it

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<v Speaker 2>then became such a politicized position, because you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>do what I want you to do, or I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to fire you. And we've seen in every major city

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<v Speaker 2>around this country the deal deals with the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>They have a new police chief every couple of years

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, the honeymoon will wear off, and then

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, the chief does something that's city

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<v Speaker 2>hall or city manager whoever doesn't like, and then they

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<v Speaker 2>get rid of them. And it's like that in every

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<v Speaker 2>city in this country.

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<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately, Yeah, Ken Cober as president of the since the FOP,

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<v Speaker 1>Queen City Lodge and the City of Cincinnats extending their

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<v Speaker 1>contract with Frost Brown Todd here as their independent council

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<v Speaker 1>into looking why they fired Chief Terry Thigi in October

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<v Speaker 1>and their job is to find the reason why they

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<v Speaker 1>fired her in October. And here we are now headed

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<v Speaker 1>into March. So is this about politics? One hundred percent?

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<v Speaker 1>And it's costing the text. There's a hell of a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of money too, because you're still paying DIJI, and

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<v Speaker 1>you're paying Heny, and you're paying the law office the

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<v Speaker 1>law firm to investigate this. And if it was a

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<v Speaker 1>clear cut case of cause for getting fired for cause,

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<v Speaker 1>the reason why why has it taken five months? A

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<v Speaker 1>normal person would ask. So that's Issue five you proposed,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe it was you proposed to those basically the

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<v Speaker 1>many things you said you could do right, repeal Issue five,

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<v Speaker 1>let the chief or Terry Thiej or Adam Hunte whoe ever,

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<v Speaker 1>work independently, or elect a new mayor. So which is

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<v Speaker 1>the most viable option, the easiest path here?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think the one, the path that is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be the most permanent is to do something with

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<v Speaker 2>Issue five. That way, regardless of who the mayor is,

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<v Speaker 2>regardless of who the police chief is, they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>have that protection. That's what ultimately needs to be done.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to be a heavy lift. We'll see how

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<v Speaker 2>it works out, but that's ultimately what needs to be

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<v Speaker 2>done if the people in this city want to have

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<v Speaker 2>a police chief that can make decisions based off of

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<v Speaker 2>safety not politics.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, an issue five. I mean it was sold

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<v Speaker 1>to us as an accountability measure, and I believe it

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<v Speaker 1>was your predecessor way back in the day FP president

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<v Speaker 1>Keith Fangman, who said it would do just what it's

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<v Speaker 1>doing today. I mean that was back in two thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe two thousand and one and two somewhere around there.

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<v Speaker 1>So twenty five years later, a quarter century later, he

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<v Speaker 1>was absolutely right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, without a doubt. I mean, we all all predicted

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<v Speaker 2>that this was going to happen, and well here we

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<v Speaker 2>are ken the department.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're still one hundred and fifty officers short.

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<v Speaker 1>Has that number changed? It all? Correct me on that

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<v Speaker 1>one if I'm wrong. But I mean, you got a

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<v Speaker 1>lame duck chief, You've got a chief and interim, You've

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<v Speaker 1>got morale issues, you got recruitment issues. This can't be

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<v Speaker 1>helping retain or attract officers.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's not. You still have officers that are that

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<v Speaker 2>are leaving every day. That just said I've had enough,

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<v Speaker 2>I've got my twenty five years and I'm gonna leave.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not staying and do an extra We are still

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<v Speaker 2>we just didn't just graduate a class of fifty four,

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<v Speaker 2>So that's certainly is help. But in the end, like

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<v Speaker 2>I said, every week we have more people leaving, so

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<v Speaker 2>it certainly continues to be a challenge. We've got a

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<v Speaker 2>class that's supposed to start the end of April, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's still we're going to be significantly impacted by personnel

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<v Speaker 2>shortage for years to come.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And Kaji's attorney said, I looked at her jacket.

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<v Speaker 1>She's thirty five years on the job, and she hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>had a significant negative performance review in thirty five years,

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<v Speaker 1>And that just further under reminds us. Are they just

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<v Speaker 1>sitting back I know you probably haven't talked to her

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<v Speaker 1>counsel or her, but are they just sitting back on and going, hey, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>we're just gonna wind up settling and the city is

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<v Speaker 1>going to have to pay all of a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what's going to happen, right, Yeah, I mean that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's ultimately what's going to happen because anybody's going to

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<v Speaker 2>look at this and see that this person's had a

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<v Speaker 2>stellar career. You know, you have no negative discipline nothing,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, so anybody can look at you have to

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<v Speaker 2>be an attorney to look at this and see that

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<v Speaker 2>there's something more going on here and it has nothing

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<v Speaker 2>to do with performance.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So if the investigation could includes they recommend termination,

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<v Speaker 1>what options does the FOP have to challenge that outcome?

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<v Speaker 1>Presuming you you're involved in this center, are you prepared

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<v Speaker 1>to see that?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Unfortunately, because of issue five, Chief Figi's not in

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<v Speaker 2>our bargaining in it. So any action that she would

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<v Speaker 2>take she would be doing on her own behalf.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, which is why she's hired outside council. Right If

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<v Speaker 1>people go, well the FOPL bit yor no, they can't

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<v Speaker 1>because of again, because of issue five. Hopefully we can

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<v Speaker 1>get that repeal. Is there is there a momentum within

0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:32.320
<v Speaker 1>council to do that or I can imagine that share

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<v Speaker 1>along and up want to do that, But what about council.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I mean, I've talked to some council

0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:42.719
<v Speaker 2>members that seem to certainly willing to entertain it. So

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<v Speaker 2>we'll see here in the coming months of whether this

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<v Speaker 2>costiny traction or not.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you spoken to FOP council and just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe what's twisted in the wind out there, and how

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<v Speaker 1>much is this going to cost us? Do we have

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<v Speaker 1>any idea of the scope of the millions of dollars

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<v Speaker 1>to pay Thigi off to design a non disclosure agreement

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<v Speaker 1>and go away.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it could be a very very significant amount of money. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's that's on the city. They're somethings that created

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<v Speaker 2>this mess. You know. I just hope whatever whatever agreement,

0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:13.400
<v Speaker 2>if they do come to one that both sides can

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<v Speaker 2>live with and we can move on, because that's ultimately

0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:16.760
<v Speaker 2>what this police department needs.

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<v Speaker 1>I know. Well, it depends what crime numbers you look

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<v Speaker 1>at right now. We've had a very very cold winter,

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<v Speaker 1>for sure, it tends to scare away the street riff

0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:25.760
<v Speaker 1>raff if you will. But we had high profile shooting

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<v Speaker 1>on New Year's Day of that young girl. We've had

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<v Speaker 1>a streak of homicides and the l like too. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't look today where we're pacing. But again, if we

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<v Speaker 1>start to see another uptick this summer this spring as

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<v Speaker 1>the weather warms up and people go outside and hang out,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know we're gonna have what a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>weeks away from the time change, we always see a

0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:48.360
<v Speaker 1>ruot rising crime alongside that too. If the numbers are

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<v Speaker 1>where they were this time last year or even higher,

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<v Speaker 1>what does that say about this decision to get rid

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<v Speaker 1>of Thiji. I mean, it's not an indictment of Adam

0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:58.760
<v Speaker 1>Henney at all. But are we in a better place

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<v Speaker 1>with Adam Henny than were Terry?

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the question. You know, I don't know what

0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:07.080
<v Speaker 2>the crime stats are going to show up to see

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<v Speaker 2>what kind of impact changes that he has made have

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<v Speaker 2>on crime. We'll see hopefully they're positive ones. But I mean, ultimately,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't you can't blame Chief Figi and you certainly

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<v Speaker 2>can't blame Chief Henny, Yeah, for the problems with crime.

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<v Speaker 2>What you can do is blame the people in society

0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:25.680
<v Speaker 2>that don't know how to behave that that don't value life,

0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:27.160
<v Speaker 2>that decide where we're just going to pick up a

0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:29.600
<v Speaker 2>gun to shoot somebody because you said something mean to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Until any of that changes for the better, we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to likely see some of the exact same things regardless

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<v Speaker 2>of who's in charge of the Police Department.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like the Bengals, isn't it canon that

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter with the head coaches. You can pick

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<v Speaker 1>back George Alis or the second coming of Jag or

0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:48.720
<v Speaker 1>Hoover in your case. And if your hands are tied

0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:51.680
<v Speaker 1>by the administration and it's all political, you really don't

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<v Speaker 1>have any chance here, No.

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<v Speaker 2>Without a doubt. And if you remember, I think the

0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:59.160
<v Speaker 2>last press conference that Chief Fiji did, some of her

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<v Speaker 2>closing remarks, we're talking about how the expectation is for

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<v Speaker 2>Since Saint police officers to go out and enforce low

0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:08.360
<v Speaker 2>level crimes. That way we can make this city a

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<v Speaker 2>safer place. And then two days later she's on administrative leaf.

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<v Speaker 2>So I know there's certainly a good group of officers

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<v Speaker 2>that certainly believe that this was a direct result of

0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:23.560
<v Speaker 2>coming out and saying we're going to start enforcing low

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<v Speaker 2>level walls that maybe we haven't enforced in the past,

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<v Speaker 2>and that was something that city hauled didn't like, because

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to have officers go out and be proactive

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<v Speaker 2>and try to reduce crime. Yeah, well there's a copy

0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:36.880
<v Speaker 2>punch for that. And of course now she's on administrative leaf.

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<v Speaker 1>Now finally, Ken Cober, I won't keep you longer. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you think this wraps up? I mean, how much

0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:43.960
<v Speaker 1>longer can they keep extending? It's a third time to

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<v Speaker 1>extended this deal with the law firm investigating why they

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<v Speaker 1>fired Fiji back in October? Is this going to go

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<v Speaker 1>six months and a year? Do they just simply want

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<v Speaker 1>to drag this out till we forget help me out here.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm telling you, I was surprised myself when I heard

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<v Speaker 2>yesterday that they ended this. You know, I guess from

0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:06.040
<v Speaker 2>her perspective, you're being paid yo to sit at home.

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<v Speaker 2>But I also understand it's like, look, she wants some

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<v Speaker 2>finality to this. I want to let's move on. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>see what's going to happen. I don't know, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how long they drag it out. But every month

0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:18.080
<v Speaker 2>that they drag it out, they're costing the taxpayers more

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<v Speaker 2>and more money, right, and it's just an irresponsible thing

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<v Speaker 2>to do. But at this point it's it's certainly not surprising.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I don't know. Maybe reparations will fix.

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<v Speaker 2>This, you never know. Maybe maybe No, that's the chiefs

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<v Speaker 2>of that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll get into that a little bit later on. That

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<v Speaker 1>was a proposal from jan Deshellaman cured. I'll try to

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<v Speaker 1>get her on the show next week if she wants

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<v Speaker 1>five million reparations for the way people have colored retreated

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<v Speaker 1>in Cincinnati. Legitimate concern for sure, because it's true, but

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<v Speaker 1>there's reparations to fix things. You can make a case

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<v Speaker 1>it makes it worse. We'll get that a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>later on in the show. Ken Cober, President the FOP,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for jumping on this morning, brother, Be well and

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<v Speaker 1>have a great weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks you, Misch. I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there you go, Ken, And a lot of questions

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<v Speaker 1>if you're a city taxpayer, going, yeah, well, what about

0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:04.280
<v Speaker 1>five months to figure this out? Clearly they fired her,

0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:06.520
<v Speaker 1>got rid of her, put her and leave whatever it is,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll try to find something. Yeah, you know what

0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:12.159
<v Speaker 1>she did in nineteen eighty three, she tore off a

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<v Speaker 1>mattress tags that don't remove this tag on her pedalty

0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:17.239
<v Speaker 1>the law that you're fired. I thought it's gonna come

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<v Speaker 1>down to Scott's Loan show, News on the way in

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<v Speaker 1>just minutes and Will Gantz, our guy from ABC. We've

0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:26.719
<v Speaker 1>got theater, we've got a reboot, we got movies out,

0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:28.639
<v Speaker 1>I should say, and we also have a reboot of

0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:32.040
<v Speaker 1>Scrubs if you're into that show. It's taken what sixteen

0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:34.280
<v Speaker 1>years I believe to bring this thing back. We'll find

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<v Speaker 1>out what took so long, or'll find out why we're

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<v Speaker 1>bringing it back from Will. He's next after news on

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<v Speaker 1>seven hundred WLW Scott Slunsha