1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,679 Speaker 1: Need more, a little more. And four with our friend 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: Hugh Millin. Hey, guys, I know we're pressed for time, 3 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: Hugh and Dick. Can I give you one twenty second 4 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 1: bit on why the A people continues to be ridiculous? 5 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 2: Hugh, you're ready for this one? 6 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 3: Yeah? Oregon Oregon? 7 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 2: And I'm no Duck fan, you know that? 8 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 3: Is that right? 9 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 1: Oregon drops a spot from six to seven after beating Iowa. 10 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: They switch places with ole Miss who beat the Citadel. 11 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: Jez Explain that one to me. 12 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 3: Hugh, Yeah, uh, I can't listen. You're yeah, you're you're 13 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 3: just danger in dangerous waters with me on on the 14 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 3: AP Yeah, no kidding with the nineteen eighty four. I know, 15 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 3: I know the history of the AP. Well, let me 16 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 3: let me put you sixty to eleven forty, but he remembers. 17 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody does. Let me put you back in a 18 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: good mood. How good is this? How good is honestly? 19 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 3: Dude? 20 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 2: Is the Seahawk football team that we're seeing right now? 21 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 3: Well? You know, I almost so good that you wonder 22 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 3: if they're peaking too soon? Yeah? You know, And and 23 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,199 Speaker 3: I only say that partially in jest, but uh yeah, 24 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 3: I just you look at even when they don't have 25 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 3: their middle linebacker, their you know, their their quarterback, of 26 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 3: their secondary and Julian Love, I mean that it seems 27 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 3: like no matter what they're missing, they they have just 28 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 3: they're tied to a string. It's really apparent in zone blitzes. 29 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 3: I mean they come into the game and they are 30 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 3: in terms of their their rush percent Now I don't 31 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 3: have the damn thing in front of me, but uh, 32 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 3: the the number of of four man rushes, that's all. 33 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 3: They're almost the highest in the league. The percentage of 34 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 3: five man rushers are the fewest, but they're they're number 35 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 3: of dbs who are rushing are in the top five 36 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 3: in the league. And so what that means is they're 37 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 3: creating a lot of mayhem. So if you're only rushing 38 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 3: four but you have a high person percentage of plays 39 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 3: where at least one dB is rushing, that's just a 40 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 3: stat that speaks to all the mayhem that you're creating. 41 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,239 Speaker 3: And the mayhem was a factor in both of those fumbles. 42 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 3: So it's certainly a great ascension that they're on right now. 43 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 3: And I cannot wait for this Sunday against the Rams 44 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 3: and the battle between Sean McVay and Mike McDonald. 45 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 4: Well, how concerned should we be that the two legitimate 46 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 4: playoff teams that they faced they lost those games? Now, 47 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 4: should we be concerned about that? Or because they were 48 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 4: so long ago September seventh, in October fifth, that this 49 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 4: is a different football team than it was back then. 50 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a fair concern. And ask me in seven days, right, 51 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 3: you know, I mean, I understand why the Rams are favored. 52 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 3: There have been two really big breakdowns that I've done 53 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 3: of the Ram defense in this calendar year, and one 54 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 3: of them was the Rams against the Vikings when Sam 55 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 3: Darnold was the quarterback in that playoff game. And the 56 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 3: other one the thirty third team just asked me to 57 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 3: break Daniel down Daniel Jones, which you guys would know 58 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 3: that I kind of just got a smile on my 59 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 3: face because they didn't know what I've thought of Daniel 60 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,679 Speaker 3: Jones for the last three or four years. You know, 61 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,399 Speaker 3: I thought that he was vastly underrated anyway. So I've 62 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 3: looked at about three hundred and fifty plays or more 63 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 3: from the Colts this year, and the two defenses that 64 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 3: absolutely jumped out at me, like way beyond anybody else 65 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 3: that the Colts have played is the Broncos. They've got 66 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 3: a hell of a defense and the Rams. The Rams 67 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 3: are some get after it for their schemes, their dudes, 68 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 3: they fly around, they don't hesitate, they're athletic. I mean, 69 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's maybe one part of the NFL 70 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 3: that I'm surprised I don't hear more people talk about 71 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 3: it's the Ram defense because of Sean McVay, and it's 72 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford MVP, and it's Puka Niku was is he 73 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 3: you know, is he gonna be able to catch jaysn 74 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 3: and all these DeVante Adams? Like, there's a lot of 75 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 3: stories of the Rams, but nobody just talks about how 76 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 3: they have just got a hoss defense man. So yeah, 77 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 3: it'll be fun to watch. 78 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Rams are interesting to me. 79 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: Remember they won the championship in twenty one and everyone said, well, 80 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: they're selling their soul to do it. Remember that they did. 81 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: They're selling out, They're gonna be terrible, And they were 82 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: terrible the next year. They were five and twelve the 83 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 1: next year, but then ten and seven, ten and seven, 84 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: and now they seem like they're back to championship caliber 85 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: at seven and two. So I guess the question is, Hugh, 86 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: when you look at this upcoming game on Sunday. And 87 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: we can talk more about yesterday's game in a second, 88 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: but I want to jump ahead to Sunday for a minute. 89 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: Of all the four main units Seahawk offense, Seahawk Defense, 90 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: RAM Defense, RAM offense, which unit would you want if 91 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: we're having a draft, which one would you take first? 92 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 5: Oh? 93 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 3: That's that's damn. Oh who's coaching the unit? 94 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 2: The guys that are coaching now, I guess so I. 95 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 4: Might take the RAMS unit with Mike McDonald coaching defense. 96 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, that's a great question because I think I 97 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 3: think both defenses are pretty I think both defenses are 98 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 3: top five. Now maybe not statistically, but what they can 99 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 3: rise to, you know, their ceiling. They get that RAM 100 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 3: defense has a really high ceiling. I mean they can 101 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,239 Speaker 3: create all kinds of havoc and they prove that against 102 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 3: the Vikings. Yeah, yeah, I gotta be honest. 103 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: Well, I just wonder, if totally healthy, you'd take the 104 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: Hawk's defense because of what you said earlier with Mike McDonald. 105 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: I said the exact same thing to Dick at three 106 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: o'clock that it doesn't matter that Reid, Ernist Jones and 107 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: Julian Lover out. This guy just keeps taking players out 108 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: of the stands, plugging him in and they keep kicking 109 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: people's asses every week. 110 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's incredible. And it's not just that day, but 111 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 3: it's it's how those guys they improve. I mean, Tyo 112 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,359 Speaker 3: Cotta Oh, I was just like, oh man, what is 113 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 3: this August player doing in here? You know? And and 114 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 3: in the first game, you know, you know what an 115 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 3: August player looks like. It's like he's trying really hard, 116 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 3: but you know he's gonna get cut, right, God bless him. 117 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 3: And yet now he makes the team on that who 118 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 3: we played, We played the Packers in the last preseason game, right, 119 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 3: he had that incredible one handed interception because they was 120 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 3: thought that Derek was Derek Reid, that the safety was 121 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 3: going to uh to be the last safety on the roster. 122 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 3: But then all of a sudden, Tyle Cotty has that 123 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 3: incredible one handed interception in the preseason game. And then 124 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 3: the next series he has this this he comes up 125 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 3: and he feels like he's you know, I don't know, 126 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 3: Ken Kenny Easley or something, and you just go whoa 127 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 3: who's number thirty nine and now all of a sudden 128 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 3: he makes the team, then doesn't play well when he 129 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 3: gets the first shot. But now he's you know, it's 130 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 3: like he's like Troy Paula Molo. He's just everywhere and 131 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 3: and you know, throwing his body around, good instincts, you know, recognition, 132 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 3: you know, jumping forty inches up, making one handed interceptions. 133 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, yeah, he's he's showing signs of 134 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 3: what Mike McDonald one of the great things that he does. 135 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 3: He's a great teacher, you know, emon worry the whole thing. 136 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 4: Hugh Sam Darnold's passer rating in the first half has 137 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 4: won thirty six on the season. Now in the second half, 138 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 4: it's only ninety two. So is that drop concerning to 139 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 4: you or is it because the Hawks are just up 140 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 4: by thirty points sometimes going into the second half. 141 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, they've certainly been sharper. It's not concerning to me 142 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 3: yet because I've seen you know, I saw a clutch 143 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 3: against the forty nine ers that that go route that 144 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 3: he threw up the left side and up the west sideline, 145 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 3: you know, to get him in the position to win 146 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 3: the game. The clutch, the clutch two clutch throws that 147 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 3: he had in the last drive against the Cardinals down 148 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 3: in Arizona. You know the play that he made in 149 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 3: the second half. I get Patrick Queen spinning around in 150 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 3: the second half and getting twenty seven yards on a 151 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 3: third and long. I mean, that was so I've seen, 152 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 3: and that's not the entire list, but I think that 153 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 3: there have been moments where you say, Okay, this is 154 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 3: a clutch moment, Donald, how are you gonna respond? And 155 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 3: for the most part, he just shows like he's got 156 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 3: ice water. So I'm not real concern about that. As 157 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 3: far as the interception, if you're bothered by the interception 158 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 3: that happened yesterday, then I want you to tell me 159 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 3: how to coach Sam Darnold as the quarterback. Because he 160 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 3: goes play action to his left, he turns his back 161 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 3: on the defense. He's got a little skid route coming 162 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 3: right in the mill. Watch the end zone copy. You 163 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 3: got jsn coming right in between. It's going to be 164 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 3: an easy completion. But you got a J Barner who's 165 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 3: the tight end on the right in what's called an 166 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,439 Speaker 3: off position in the yard. There's a pros and cons 167 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 3: for having him in the off position, meaning he's not 168 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:00,839 Speaker 3: on the line of scrimmage. He's in the off now 169 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 3: the backside defense. The reason why you have him off 170 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 3: is he's in a in a threat to do a 171 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 3: seal block or run a slip route also called a 172 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 3: slice route. He can come and be part of the 173 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 3: blocking scheme. So you have to account. You're got to 174 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 3: communicate on the backside when he's in an off position. 175 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 3: But the protection that the Seahawks we're in, you've got 176 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 3: the right tackle coming down in a Lucas. He's gonna 177 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,319 Speaker 3: come down and there's a little momentary gap for that 178 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 3: linebacker to slice in in the sea gap, and AJ 179 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 3: Barner's got to recognize that he's got to come down 180 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,959 Speaker 3: hard on that. Cannot let somebody cross his faith that 181 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 3: is that is an F for that play. That's an F. 182 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 3: But Sam Donalds got to do his job. And so 183 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 3: when when Sam A J. Barner's guy gets pushed literally 184 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 3: into the pocket immediately like he's on rollerskates, then now 185 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 3: he goes to throw it, he goes off a helmet. 186 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 3: If you're upset with that, I can't help you. Like 187 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 3: sometimes in sports, just crap happens, but it was not 188 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 3: the quarterbacks. That is not the quarterback's fault. A center 189 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 3: exchange fumble with a backup center. This is what I 190 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 3: can tell you. As you take your middle finger and 191 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 3: you put it right up the ass crack of the 192 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 3: of the center, and then you try and find a 193 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 3: little spot with your wrist, like, okay, this seems like 194 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 3: the spot right. You don't want to be too close 195 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 3: to his junk because then he's gonna snap it. Ont 196 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 3: like it, but you can't be too far away. Like 197 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 3: every single anatomy, there is the right spot, and you 198 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 3: get used to one guy and then you drop it 199 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 3: when another guy comes in. That happens right right then, 200 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 3: and then the other one the other fumble he had, 201 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 3: he's moving to his left and the guy, Josh Sweat, 202 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 3: beats Abe Lucas and he reaches out with eighty what 203 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,839 Speaker 3: I looked it up, eighty four and an eighth inch wingspan, 204 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 3: which is ninety fifth percentile of all defensive ends. That 205 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 3: guy was almost the Super Bowl in the MVP last year. 206 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 3: If it wasn't for for Jalen Hurts, Josh Sweat would 207 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 3: have been the MV look it up in that Super Bowl. 208 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 3: You know, he's just creating mayhem, and he created mayhem 209 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 3: on one play for a Lucas and Sam Donald is 210 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 3: looking to his left, he's throwing his hand. Is he's 211 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 3: not protecting the ball because he's in the act of throwing. Right, 212 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,079 Speaker 3: if you get your hand hit in the act of throwing, 213 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 3: you're gonna fumble. So I don't know. I think there's 214 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 3: a lot of hand ringing. And you heard Mike McDonald, 215 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,319 Speaker 3: I'm on his side. What is Mike mcdonaldy was asked, 216 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 3: are you concerned about that? He's like, no, you know, 217 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 3: for all the reasons I just said, right, Well. 218 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: On top of that, thirty five nothing, thirty eight seven, 219 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:34,959 Speaker 1: thirty eight, fifteen, thirty one seven. 220 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 2: Those are the. 221 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: Scores of the last four turnovers by Sam Donald. Hey 222 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: here we got about five minutes here. I feel like 223 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: sometimes the best question doesn't even really come with a point. 224 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 1: I just want to say two words and have you 225 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 1: go husky football man, Oh jeez, what do you think? 226 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 3: Well, I think it's very discouraging that that what you 227 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:00,439 Speaker 3: thought was going to be the strength of the team, 228 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 3: the offense and the playmaking ability. It was just bone dry. 229 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 3: And I've watched the coach's tape and I'll choose my 230 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 3: words very carefully. If you watched only that tape from 231 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 3: Wisconsin and your job was to grade Demand Williams for 232 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 3: the NFL, that's an undrafted free agent. Like he's late, 233 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 3: he's his his vision is poor. Like I don't think 234 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 3: he's being coached well. And I don't think that. I mean, 235 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 3: this is a continual thing that the free runners at 236 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 3: the quarterback. Uh, this one wasn't so much some blitzers, 237 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 3: although late in the in the in the fourth quarter, 238 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 3: there was some cats, some some edge pressure coming off Totally, 239 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 3: It's like it's like Washington's never even talked about it, 240 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 3: let alone practice it and have a plan to execute. 241 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 3: This was more the stunts, time and time again. The stunts. 242 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 3: It's like the offensive lineman, you know, and and every 243 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 3: everybody at some point was a culprit. But they're there. 244 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 3: They got poor job of communicating on the stunts, poor 245 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 3: job of recognizing too many free runners. It just looks 246 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 3: like it looks like, I don't know, it looks like 247 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:15,839 Speaker 3: street ball too much, and so very very extremely disappointing. 248 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 3: On the offensive side. 249 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 4: The wide receivers, Hugh, what are you seeing on the 250 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 4: all twenty two because it looked like a lot of times, 251 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 4: Demon's going back there one thousand and three, you know, 252 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 4: thousand and one, thousand and two, thousand and three, thousand 253 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 4: and four, and he's got to take off. Was really 254 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 4: nobody open or is he missing guys? 255 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 3: Well on that third and six, you know that pre 256 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 3: preceded the last play, the second last play, he's got 257 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:38,839 Speaker 3: Desmond Roebuck coming wide open on a dagger right to left. 258 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 3: He's he's got to turn that loose. Course, that was 259 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 3: bad protection on that one. But you know on the 260 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 3: the interception in the second quarter, the the stutter go 261 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 3: by by by Desmond Roebuck, that corner, like the light 262 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 3: can't get any redder, Okay, it can't. Like it's first 263 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 3: and ten. You've got you've got Chris Lawson coming in 264 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 3: with what's called the OTB sitting right over there. There 265 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 3: was nobody, I mean nobody around right in front of you. 266 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 3: It's first and ten. That like can't get more red. 267 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 3: On the fact that the corner's bailey now there there, 268 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 3: you don't have it. It shows all the signs of 269 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 3: complete predetermination, like I'm gonna throw this double move no 270 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 3: matter what. Right and then on the fumble. You know, uh, Dick, 271 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 3: you you texted me, Hey, what about that fumble? Look, 272 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 3: they called wystick to the left side. They're going whystick. 273 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 3: That is the most ubiquitous concept in high school, college, 274 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 3: in pro If you can't call wystick and then he's 275 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 3: got a slant to the right, and he's got Boston 276 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 3: on a go route. So it's probably like, hey, if 277 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 3: you like the go route in Boston, cause third and twelve. 278 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 3: By the way, the whystick isn't gonna get you the 279 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 3: first down. I hate when offensive coordinator calls a play 280 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 3: that if I throw it to my first choice at 281 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 3: the front, primary receiver, I'm not going to get the 282 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 3: first down. Now, there's a lot of times I'm not 283 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 3: gonna throw for a first down because I'm gonna throw 284 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 3: to my second or third or fourth guy. But I 285 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 3: want my first primary guy that if I throw to 286 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 3: the first guy on the on the progression that he 287 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 3: gets the first down. And third and twelve is not 288 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 3: so long that you can't expect that. But in any event, 289 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 3: so he runs around and Dick, here's the thing you 290 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 3: remember in the bowl game when when Demon made that 291 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 3: incredible play where he spun around in the fourth quarter 292 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 3: against Louisville, went to his left and everybody was how 293 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 3: many flowers through did they throw at demon for that time? 294 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 3: Like it was a heroic play, right, right, So so 295 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 3: him extending those plays has been something that's fed in, Hey, 296 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 3: do it, do it, do it? And that's where I 297 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 3: say there's a street ball nature to what they're doing. 298 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 3: The execution is like it whatever NFL execution is. They 299 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 3: are so they're not even an eye distance of it. Yeah, 300 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 3: in terms of like, okay, these are the reads, this 301 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 3: is what you do. It's just it's just too much 302 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 3: off script stuff. 303 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this because Jed was asked 304 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: and here we got like two minutes left here, Yeah, 305 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: I meanes. 306 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 2: Jed was asked today Dan Rayley. I think you know. 307 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: Dan asked him basically, do you worry about losing the 308 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: locker room? And I think his terminology was the air 309 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: coming out of the balloon, you know, no CFP all 310 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: that blah blah blah. Do you worry about that that 311 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: at six and three this thing might really fall apart already? 312 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: You kind of put yourself in that locker room, and 313 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: those kids choose and think no, they're young and they'll 314 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: they'll play hard. 315 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 3: Well, there's no question that there's a deflation mentally, Like 316 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 3: to deny that would be just illogical. So it's a 317 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 3: big hurdle mentally for them that now the leadership, whether 318 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 3: it's the coaches, whether it's the captains, whether it's the quarterback, 319 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 3: what have you. They now have got to go play 320 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 3: with emotion, you know, And you saw yesterday in the 321 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 3: seat game, you know, one team was playing with a 322 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 3: great emotion. One team was flat as hell. Sure, and 323 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 3: ostensibly they would have had similar situations. They both had 324 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 3: great wins on Sunday or Monday night football just a 325 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 3: week ago. Right, I'm so so I think the Huskies 326 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 3: it's a big deflation given that clearly they know they 327 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,199 Speaker 3: can't be in the playoff. Now it's just you know, 328 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,199 Speaker 3: a bowl whatever a bowl is going to be. But 329 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 3: you know that's it's football, it's not baseball. You can't 330 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 3: just say, well, that's one on one sixty two. Yeah, right, 331 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 3: you know, it's one of twelve games and there is 332 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 3: no excuse, and the leadership has got to make that 333 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 3: very clear. There is no excuse for anything less than 334 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 3: your best. Yeah, it's a good question. 335 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: You may have stumbled upon something that is a hell 336 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: of an idea for a name of a bowl game? 337 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 2: A ball? Which bowl game? 338 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 3: Guys going to a ball? Going to the ball? A ball? 339 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: All right here, you're the man. We'll talk about Friday. 340 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 1: All right, man, all right here, melling with us. Lenny 341 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 1: Wilkins was announced yesterday afternoon had passed away at the 342 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: age of eighty eight years of all you heard Kevin 343 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: Harlan mention that in the Fox CBS Sorry broadcast yesterday 344 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: on television, everybody I think has some kind of connection, 345 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: some kind of story to Lenny. He was on our 346 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: show multiple times over the years, many many times over 347 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: the years. We're going to replay a few minutes of 348 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 1: an interview that we did with him a couple of 349 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: years ago. 350 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 2: One final time. 351 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 1: Get to hear the voice of maybe the biggest basketball 352 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: figure this talent has ever seen. Lenny Wilkins dead at 353 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,719 Speaker 1: the age of eighty eight. Well here from the multi 354 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: time Hall of Famer. Next on ninety three to three KJRFM. 355 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 5: From the R and R Foundation Specialist Broadcast Studio. Now 356 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 5: back to SOFTI and Dick on your Home for the Huskies, 357 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 5: Kraken and the twelfth Man Sports Radio ninety three point 358 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 5: three KJR FM. 359 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: All right, we're back on a busy Monday Eagles, Packers, 360 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:43,880 Speaker 1: Monday Night Football coming up, five o'clock. 361 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 2: Little textimonials four forty five. 362 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: Obviously, we're talking a lot about the Seahawk game yesterday, 363 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: the Husky game on Saturday. But we all found out 364 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: the news during the Seahawk game on Sunday that Lenny 365 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: Wilkins had died at the age of eighty eight years old. 366 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: Just got a statue outside Climate Pledge Arena a few 367 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 1: months ago, and all of us I think we're hoping 368 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: beyond hope that the team could come back so Lenny 369 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: could be a part of it, and that is now 370 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 1: not going to happen. But the tributes are pouring in 371 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: from all over. I mean, this is a guy who 372 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 1: was not just a sonic legend as a player and 373 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: a coach, but he was an NBA coach Dick for 374 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 1: thirty six years. Think about how much the NBA changed 375 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,360 Speaker 1: from nineteen sixty nine to two thousand and five. It's 376 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 1: like a different world, for God's sakes, the NBA from 377 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: the late sixties to the early part of this century, 378 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,199 Speaker 1: and he was a part of all of that, the 379 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 1: way that he had to adjust, the way that he 380 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:38,479 Speaker 1: had to get used to the different style of play, 381 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: was just amazing that he was able to survive in 382 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: the NBA. But look, I think for a lot of us, 383 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: he was our first real big time sports heroes. I 384 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: was five and a half, you were four and a 385 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: half when the Sonics won the NBA title in nineteen 386 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: seventy nine, and if you were in your mid fifties 387 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: early sixties, right now, Lenny Wilkins is basically a legend 388 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,880 Speaker 1: for what he did in this town. Passed away yesterday 389 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: at the age of eighty eight. We had a chance 390 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 1: to catch up with him multiple times, too many times 391 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,199 Speaker 1: to count on this radio show. One of the final 392 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: times was in person at the Sports Star Banquet May 393 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: twenty six of twenty twenty two, three and a half 394 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: years ago. He's not just a one time Hall of Famer. 395 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: He's not just a two time Hall of Famer. He's 396 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: a three time Hall of Famer as a player, a coach, 397 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 1: and with USA Basketball. 398 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 2: The Great Lenny Wilkins is with us on the ear. 399 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 2: How are you, coach. 400 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 6: I'm doing fine, thank you, and thanks for having me. 401 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 6: It's fun to be here and see so many people. 402 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,199 Speaker 4: What was it like for you living in Seattle in 403 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 4: the late seventies early eighties, and how you fired up 404 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 4: youth like us, right, guys that were guys that were 405 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 4: six to fifteen years old becoming Sonics junkies. 406 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 7: I was five, by the way, don't remind me. 407 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, But you know, I like to tell people, you know, 408 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 6: I came here kicking, a screaming. 409 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 7: I left the playoff team, the Saint Louis Hawks. 410 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 6: They had just moved to Atlanta, and we had a 411 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 6: contract problem and I never signed a contract and got 412 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 6: traded to here. And this was a team that was 413 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 6: only here one year. It was expansion team. But we 414 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 6: fell in love with the area, with the fans, and 415 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 6: my kids grew up here and we made our home here. 416 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 6: We're still here and we love it. I have two 417 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 6: daughters that live in the Woodenville area, and I have grandkids. 418 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 5: I have. 419 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 6: My son is in Georgia because he worked there with me, 420 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 6: and he works for the Boys and Girls Clubs of 421 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 6: America and their headquarters is in Atlanta, so he's there, 422 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 6: but he comes back to see us all the time. 423 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 7: But this is a wonderful area. We got great fans. 424 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 6: Really, I mean I and I still to this day 425 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 6: feel like the championship team was a wonderful team. 426 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 7: We had some great play and I don't think they 427 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 7: get the full. 428 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 6: Credit that they should get, but it was wonderful and 429 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 6: they all know that they were a part of it. 430 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: Well, that's why we like having you on the air, 431 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: to keep the flame alive and tell stories like that. 432 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 1: You know the name James Worthy, obviously from back in 433 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: the day. James Worthy was on a radio show in 434 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: Dallas and talked about the fundamentals of today's player in 435 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: the NBA. He said, guys are coming to the NBA 436 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: who are not fundamentally sound. All they do is practice threes, 437 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 1: lift weights, get tattoos and tweets. 438 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,360 Speaker 2: Do you agree with James Worthy, Well. 439 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 6: I agree this that they're great talents and but yes, 440 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:45,360 Speaker 6: they don't understand the game totally and and and they don't. 441 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 7: Make them work at it. 442 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 6: You know, if I were coaching a young talent, you 443 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 6: wouldn't know how to defend you. You wouldn't know how 444 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 6: to deal with screen and roll. You know, you would 445 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 6: know how to help and recover. I mean, those are 446 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:03,199 Speaker 6: basic things that worked on all the time. And I 447 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 6: think that if you want to be good, if you 448 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 6: want to have a chance to win a championship, you 449 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 6: have to understand that and you've got to be able 450 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 6: to put it in practice. 451 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 4: Well, what can be done to fix that? Because we 452 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 4: argue all the time over what rights that eighteen year 453 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,479 Speaker 4: old kids should be having to make money? 454 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,679 Speaker 7: And I see the value in going to college. 455 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 4: I see the value in having Mike Krzyzewski coaching for 456 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 4: two or three years. I see the value in those things. 457 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,959 Speaker 4: But yet there's the free market economy too. And let 458 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 4: but are those guys learning how to play basketball before 459 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 4: they get into the NBA? 460 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 7: Well, you know, you know, I've always felt this. 461 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 6: I felt that when a young man goes to college, 462 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 6: he should have to stay two or three years. 463 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so how do we do that? 464 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 6: You know, I think you have to entice that, because 465 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 6: you know, they can leave to earn make a living. So, 466 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 6: all right, what can we do about that? I think 467 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 6: that you could set up some kind of a trust 468 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 6: fund or where that if they stayed two years, they 469 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 6: would come into that, they stayed three years, they would 470 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 6: come into that. Now, the college just can do that 471 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 6: if they put their mind to it so that this way, 472 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 6: if a young man is afraid that he might get 473 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 6: hurt and lose his earning power, here's something that. 474 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 3: Would help him. 475 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 7: So if you had that type of fun available, maybe. 476 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 6: That would entice a young man or a young woman 477 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 6: to stay for two three years. 478 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 1: How's your game these days? By the way, you ever 479 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: go out and throw it up a little bit? 480 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 7: Nah No, I don't. 481 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 6: I just in my mind, you know, when I go 482 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 6: visit my grandson. 483 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 7: In Georgia, it's funny, you know. 484 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 6: He he's a nice little athlete. 485 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,199 Speaker 7: So he has a hoop outside his house and he 486 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 7: wants to go out and shoot. 487 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 6: So he'll go out and he'll throw me the ball, 488 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 6: you know, and I take it, take it to the 489 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 6: basket and lay it in there. 490 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 7: You go, because I. 491 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 2: Know I could do that. I would love to see that. 492 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 2: It's awesome to see you again. Thanks for doing this, coach, 493 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 2: and we'll talk down the road, Lenny. 494 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 7: Okay for Sheila. 495 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 2: Thank you. That was three years ago. 496 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 1: Guys made twenty six of twenty twenty two, and Lenny 497 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 1: Wilkins passed away over the weekend at the age of 498 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,199 Speaker 1: eighty eight. I don't know about you, guys, When you 499 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,679 Speaker 1: think about being on a list that includes five people, 500 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 1: and John Wooden's one of them, that's pretty amazing. There's 501 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,919 Speaker 1: only been five coaches that have been inducted into the 502 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 1: Hall of Famous Players. Lenny Wilkins, John Wooden, Bill Sharmon, 503 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 1: Tommy Heinzen, and Bill Russell. That's it in the history 504 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: of the Nasmith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame. 505 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 2: And he is our guy. 506 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,120 Speaker 1: I mean we share him obviously with Atlanta, Cleveland, places 507 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: like that, but didn't win a title there like he 508 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 1: won for us, and for years and years and years 509 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,919 Speaker 1: and years and years until Pete Carroll came around. I know, 510 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: you get this, Jackson Dick, you certainly do. He's really 511 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 1: all we had. 512 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 2: That was it. 513 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: All we had for a title was the seventy nine Sonics. 514 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: And you knew the names off the top of your head, Lenny, 515 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: Freddie Guss, JJ, Wally Jack, all those guys, and Lenny 516 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: Wilkins was the leader of that group. And when you're five, 517 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: six years old, seven eight years old, growing up in Seattle, 518 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 1: late seventies, early eighties, and it was more of a 519 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: community minded thing back then. You could go to places 520 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,199 Speaker 1: like for me growing up the JCC or Mercer Island, 521 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: the Pro Club in Bellevue. 522 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 8: And these dudes are all there, and they're all hanging 523 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 8: around like normal people, going to their car, changing their clothes, 524 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 8: in the locker room, playing basketball, playing pickup five and 525 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 8: five with whoever is going to show up. 526 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 1: These guys became a part of the community, and Lenny 527 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 1: Wilkins was the leader. 528 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 4: Well, and you mentioned you know sharing, I mean, heck, 529 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 4: he decided to live here the rest of us. I 530 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 4: never lost his accent, he never lost his access. And 531 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 4: I think maybe people don't realize that he wasn't just 532 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 4: like a top ten, top five winning as coach. When 533 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,479 Speaker 4: he retired in two thousand and five, he was number 534 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 4: one in NBA history in most wins with thirteen hundred 535 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 4: and thirty two. He still holds the record for coaching 536 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 4: the most games. No one has ever coached more games 537 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 4: in the NBA than Lenny Wilkins. And to your point 538 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 4: about you know him not being able to see the Sonics, 539 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 4: that is that is a tragedy. But I will say 540 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 4: I am so glad that he got the opportunity to 541 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 4: see his bronze right next to that new stadium. And 542 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 4: he was there for that day, and that would have 543 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 4: been a real shame had that had gone up two 544 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 4: three years from now. 545 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 2: He would trade it for the team back. Of course, 546 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 2: you know that he would trade it for the team back. 547 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 1: I mean you think about the thirty two years that 548 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: he spent as an NBA head coach. I mean, obviously 549 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: between sixty nine two thousand and five. He wasn't a 550 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 1: coach for every single one of those years, but the 551 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,360 Speaker 1: coaching career spanned, you know, thirty six seasons, and the 552 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: thirty two years total on the job as an NBA 553 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: head coach is also number one games and years. I 554 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: mean Don Nelson, Greg Popovich, Jerry Sloan, Doc Rivers, pat Riley, 555 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 1: Rick Carlyle, Eric Spostro. With what he's done, nobody coach longer, 556 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: nobody than Lenny and to be able to survive in 557 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 1: two totally different eras is unbelievable. 558 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:09,360 Speaker 6: Man. 559 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 1: And again, just a class guy. You mentioned the word, class, 560 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 1: class guy all around. Was always the first guy anything 561 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: basketball related. We sit here in the radio program and 562 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:19,679 Speaker 1: think about who do you call? 563 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 4: It? 564 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 2: Was Lenny Lenny, Lenny Lenny. 565 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: Every single time he was the guy you had to 566 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 1: get the opinion from. 567 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 4: He's on the Ironic News. He's the first guy we called, 568 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 4: do you think Absolutely? 569 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 2: Absolutely so. 570 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: We're gonna miss him, just miss just having him on 571 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: the air and having him around. And when they do 572 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 1: bring the team back and his number goes up on 573 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: the rafters and his name goes up in the rafters, 574 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. 575 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 2: I heard Mark say today. I think he's right. 576 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: The NBA should do a moment of silence at every arena, 577 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: and they should wear his initials on every player's jersey 578 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: for the rest of the year. That's how much he 579 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: meant to the NBA.