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Speaker 1: Week here already first week almost in the books, or

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Speaker 1: at least halfway there. I'm being an optimist, I mean

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Speaker 1: an optimist. This kind dropped yesterday during the swearing in

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Speaker 1: of many city officials. In order to address a thirty

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Speaker 1: Mayor after a Purevall, wants city Council to place an

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Speaker 1: income tax, a payroll income tax, on the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: six ballot, meaning if you work in the city, you

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Speaker 1: will get an extra tax there. The money is going

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Speaker 1: to go towards public safety and what he called disrupting

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Speaker 1: poverty whatever that means, affordable housing, investment in underserved neighborhood,

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Speaker 1: support for minority owned business and like Jeff Kramerding is here,

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Speaker 1: council member and of course chair Budget and Finance. Happy

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Speaker 1: New year, Jeff, welcome back.

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Speaker 2: Good to have you. Hope you had a good break.

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Speaker 3: I did. Happy New Year, It's great to be back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So there's a lot going on here.

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Speaker 1: I think people will immediately hear new taxes and they blosh.

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Speaker 1: The big picture is compared to peer cities, hell, compared

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Speaker 1: to Ohio cities, Cincinnati is still pretty good now. I'll

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Speaker 1: put a asterisk next to that simply because we also

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Speaker 1: have of the county taxes we have, you know, pop

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Speaker 1: property taxes are driving people crazy. Right now, we're paying

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Speaker 1: museum taxes, school tech and let you add it all up,

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Speaker 1: and it's a pretty good chunk of money. But the

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Speaker 1: bird's eye view is that comparatively speaking among peer city,

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati is still pretty good on this.

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Speaker 3: Right yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean, just from the city and perspective, we are

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Speaker 4: very good. You know, all of our most of our

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Speaker 4: revenue comes from the earned tax. We're at one point eight,

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Speaker 4: all of our peer cities in IRA at two point five,

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Speaker 4: So there's substantially bringing in a higher tax rates than

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Speaker 1: Of same time, though, you look at how much people

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Speaker 1: just you feel the bite. You can look at the

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Speaker 1: I'm paying way more than that I should be at

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Speaker 1: this point. And I'm sure you're sensitive to that.

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Speaker 4: I am I I.

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Speaker 3: I understand, I understand that.

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Speaker 4: And then going to or door and talking to voters

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Speaker 3: Very difficult spot. Put it is the reality, and I

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Speaker 3: understand it well.

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Speaker 1: And I think this is again the timing of this

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Speaker 1: that is we just had the shooting of that eleven

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Speaker 1: And the idea in September was, hey, we're going to

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Speaker 1: which may add to this issue of the thirty two

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Speaker 1: takeaway I think for residents is hold on just a second.

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Speaker 1: We were spending this money. You gave you one hundred

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Speaker 1: a lot of unanswered questions I had and all beyond yesterday.

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Speaker 1: And so the optics of this, Jeff Gramerding, are that, well, great,

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Speaker 1: they're going to take more money in my paycheck. But

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Speaker 1: are they actually responsible with the money that I'm giving them?

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Speaker 2: Now, that's a fair question for yes.

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Speaker 4: First, I mean, what happened to the children is just unbelievable,

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Speaker 4: a terrible trategy that has to be addressed. It's important

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Speaker 3: It has to be.

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Speaker 4: This conversation began with the Cincinnati Future Session when business

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Speaker 4: The report which was very thorough which people should look

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Speaker 3: The city's budget.

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Speaker 4: Is not sustainable and they recommended two earning saxes, one

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Speaker 3: So this work has been ongoing.

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Speaker 4: For two years plus, from my perspective, is dragged. It

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Speaker 4: a more deliberate pace. And this conversation is not directly

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it isn't, but I think of the minds of

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Speaker 1: just literally no answers. And then you come back saying, hey,

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Speaker 1: by the way, we're gonna hit you with a payroll tax.

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Speaker 1: It's not a good look.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I understand that a coming. Once again, it's important

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Speaker 4: to frame this in the big picture and what this

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Speaker 3: Keep in mind that the futures commissioning a very small arny.

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Speaker 4: Uh, that's an existing gap in our budget. So I

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Speaker 4: want to be very cautious. You know, if we're talking

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Speaker 3: Service as there is.

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Speaker 4: There's certainly no money for increased police or increased fire

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Speaker 4: to be very careful what we're promising to frame this

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Speaker 1: Okay, so people hear this and go, all right, public safety, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we got to spend there. And disrupting poverty and neighborhood

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Speaker 1: at it and go what talk about accountability? Where's that

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Speaker 1: Is it just unaccounted for cash And we're going to

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Speaker 1: we're going to pay off some people basically to disrupting poverty.

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Speaker 1: But there's a lot of people who are below the

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Speaker 4: I agree, and I think as far as we talked

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Speaker 4: back to since any future commission talking about economic development

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Speaker 4: and housing, they proposed a point one for economic development housing.

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Speaker 4: The largest bucket of money I was for housing economic

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Speaker 4: of CINCINNTI does not have the resources to create the

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Speaker 4: for of any crime, and that's what that should be

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Speaker 1: Tell some member Jeff Kramert in a chair Budget and

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Speaker 1: Finance talking about the proposed payroll tax that I have

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Speaker 1: We operated without deficits through COVID, and there's federal money

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Speaker 1: there too. But what's specifically changed in the past year

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Speaker 1: is it's police overtime, it's the crime issue.

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Speaker 4: I would say that that that's not correct. Police overtime

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Speaker 4: is a big factor. But you know, this is the

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Speaker 4: city's budget being unbalanced is the reason I decided to

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Speaker 4: you know ten years ago now the state government cut

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Speaker 4: the city Cincinnati. It hurt other cities, that hurt all

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Speaker 4: the townships. In townships and cities had an make tough decisions.

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Speaker 3: Painful, but they did.

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Speaker 4: Here in the city sin Sanni, I say, we did

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Speaker 3: Us paper it over for a couple of years. After that.

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Speaker 4: From a revenue perspective, the city has just said boom

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Speaker 4: reason I want to get proactive. Put a proposal in

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Speaker 4: our budget out there, which I understand nobody's aware of

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Speaker 4: the realities right now. We need to make voters citizens

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Speaker 4: aware of that and let them make a conscientious decisions.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 1: So London, James Johnson declared the war on poverty back

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Speaker 1: in the nineteen sixties. We saw how that worked out.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday the mayor aftered Puirreval said this money, the thirty

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Speaker 4: Can talk about what disrupting poverty means to him? From

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Speaker 4: To me, that would be critical to turning around his

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Speaker 4: as this conversation develops, and that's where I would encourage

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Speaker 1: it feels good, but what does that mean disrupting? But

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Speaker 1: we're trying to disrupt and pay people not to be

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Speaker 1: poor for a long time. It's not working jobs in

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Speaker 1: the initiative, work seems to be a bigger issue, and

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Speaker 1: certainly affordable housing fits into that as well. And I

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Speaker 1: think people hear that and they're a little bit curious

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Speaker 1: at the very least as to where their money's going

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Speaker 1: has not as materializes. How are you going to measure

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Speaker 1: The line, Je crame and you're doing this right and

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Speaker 4: For this Yeah, I think there's there's two points. First

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Speaker 4: Even with these increases, this takes me much lower than

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Speaker 2: Yeah, honesty.

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Speaker 1: That's fair too, is that you know, business is moving out,

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Speaker 4: But that's only part of the conversation looking forward. I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, is the is the timing on this a little

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Speaker 4: So the reports came out in the spring of twenty

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Speaker 4: consensus to do that, which is fine, this has to

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Speaker 4: So at some point of the city we're going to

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Speaker 3: Put something before the voters.

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Speaker 4: You know as a politician that this is not going

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Speaker 4: So I am not wedded into going in the spring

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Speaker 3: But if we're.

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Speaker 1: One of the things the Futures Commission call FORER was

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Speaker 2: The Futures Commission recommended.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's a lot of recommendations.

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Speaker 4: As I said, I mean, I will not lie. The

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Speaker 4: I've noted that waterworks. You know, that's very complex. It's

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Speaker 4: going to take a lot of stepths. That's not a tax,

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Speaker 4: but some sort of regionalizing water works and so it's

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Speaker 4: there's no reason we should not start that conversation. You know,

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Speaker 4: these are again difficult conversations, but you know we're here

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Speaker 4: to have difficult conversations. So I say, think, I know

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Speaker 4: Strategic Growth definitely was a focused point of the Futures

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Speaker 3: On and make this work.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the Future Commission did the report. You got

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Speaker 1: sixty days to put something together per the mayor to

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Speaker 1: get it to voters. Hopefully it becomes more clear, because

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Speaker 1: we honestly deserve to know what disrupting poverty means. And

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Speaker 2: Hopefully you can get that address.

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Speaker 1: Jeff Cramerting share a budget and finance with the City

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Speaker 1: of Cincinnati councilmember. Thanks again of the time, appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's great. Great to be with your listeners.

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Speaker 1: See well, thanks, We've got to get a news update

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Speaker 1: in and I know it's coming at you in all directions.

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Speaker 1: The big picture, of course, is yeah, these city taxes

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Speaker 1: I gotta pay for trash, I gotta pay for this.

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Speaker 1: You know, typically you see that, and this is kind

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Speaker 1: many Ohioans want the beverage and the governor said no

437
00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,200
Speaker 1: and gave really no reason as to why he was

438
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Speaker 1: going to line Item veto that whole thing, which is

439
00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:34,680
Speaker 1: causing a lot of distillers and in this case brewers

440
00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,280
Speaker 1: to pull their hair out because you're starting to lose

441
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Speaker 1: market share.

442
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Speaker 2: I don't know if you know this or not, and

443
00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:40,439
Speaker 2: this was kind of news to me.

444
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,679
Speaker 1: I know that you know drinking is an I wouldn't

445
00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,680
Speaker 1: say it's frowned upon, which sounds kind of, you know,

446
00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:47,960
Speaker 1: pro clutchy, But I don't know if you knew the

447
00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,320
Speaker 1: numbers behind this, And this is just it goes to

448
00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:54,840
Speaker 1: show you how things change in America. That we are

449
00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:59,680
Speaker 1: now at a ninety year ninety year low for alcohol consumption.

450
00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:05,160
Speaker 1: Ninety years, you'd have to go back to the late

451
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:09,159
Speaker 1: nineteen thirties to find drinking levels at the levels they

452
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:15,760
Speaker 1: are right now. And it's especially big among younger people

453
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,399
Speaker 1: too Gen Zers, and now right now we don't know

454
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,679
Speaker 1: because they're too young. But Gen Alpha, the alpha generation

455
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:24,720
Speaker 1: behind them. Even there's an indication and being again that

456
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:28,320
Speaker 1: this trend may continue, it's unpresent. You have an entire generation.

457
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,919
Speaker 1: Gen Z is our huge generation, entire generation that's just

458
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,359
Speaker 1: not interested in drinking. And it's not primarily about health

459
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 1: for them. They just are not interested because they're finding

460
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:42,639
Speaker 1: their social connections and stress relief and entertainment doesn't have

461
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:47,159
Speaker 1: to include alcohol in ways that previous generations didn't. And

462
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 1: I'd imagine it has to do with the digital connection

463
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 1: right where you're on your device, you're on a gaming headset, VR,

464
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 1: whatever it might be, and you really don't need to

465
00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,840
Speaker 1: drink to socialize out that they can have a good

466
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,160
Speaker 1: time without that, which is the dream of many, many,

467
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,879
Speaker 1: many teetotalers for sure that this day was coming, but

468
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,680
Speaker 1: it is. The problem is what happens to the alcohol industry.

469
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 1: I mean, we are right here in the heart of

470
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Speaker 1: Bourbon country. What happens in twenty years if this trend continues,

471
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,879
Speaker 1: You're going to see a lot of distillers wind up closing, merging,

472
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,359
Speaker 1: whatever it might be. And I would say the same,

473
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 1: we're kind of like at peak microbrewery right now. Local

474
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:29,120
Speaker 1: breweries are facing a just a huge challenge right now

475
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,199
Speaker 1: with the economic environment, especially with the notion that you know,

476
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 1: the next generation of drinkers aren't drinking, and we've seen

477
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:42,360
Speaker 1: just unprecedented numbers, huge generational shift away from alcohol, and

478
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 1: I think it's you know, there's a lot of fact

479
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 1: I mentioned social media, but I also think too that

480
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 1: the non alcoholic alternatives out there are just so big

481
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,439
Speaker 1: right now, the mocktails, if you will, but also the

482
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 1: fact that now years ago, I remember when oduleS first

483
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 1: came out with oduels was like the first non alcohol

484
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 1: beartic and you try and went, yeah, you kind of

485
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 1: i'd have worse tasting alcohol beers, but it's not like, Wow,

486
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,880
Speaker 1: I really crave an o'duels. But the technology has changed

487
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:09,920
Speaker 1: so much that there's so many products out there. Heineken

488
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,719
Speaker 1: but particularly I try to guin Us. I think it's

489
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Speaker 1: ginn a.

490
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 2: Zero and it was really good. I mean it.

491
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 1: You know, there's a little bit of a taste difference,

492
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 1: but not not in a bad way. And if they're

493
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,119
Speaker 1: able to do that, and then you're like, Okay, well

494
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 1: I was drinking for the taste before, but also the

495
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 1: buzz i can do that, and maybe you know, I'll

496
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 1: do an edible or something like that and just drink

497
00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 1: no alcoholic beverages and still feel better about myself because

498
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 1: there's a huge health consciousness element to this as well.

499
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 1: But also the decisould scare the rest of us too.

500
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,919
Speaker 1: As we talk you of debate over affordability. And of

501
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 1: course you know Amy Acting by the way, just named

502
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 1: David Pepper, Cincinnati's David Pepper, a long time Democrat, is

503
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 1: her running mate and the gubatorial race against Vivek Ramaswami.

504
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 1: And I look at this and go, okay, well, you

505
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: know the battle's gonna be over in the present. Saying no,

506
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 1: everything is affordable, it's just a lie. It's a myth.

507
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 2: You know what.

508
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: You know when it comes No one's gonna tell you

509
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: about your personal finances. You know, if you feel the

510
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 1: pinch about the economy and you think, you know that

511
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 1: you have to tighten your belt because prices are high

512
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 1: for stuff, then that's the reality no one's gonna send.

513
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 1: No one is going to tell you otherwise you know

514
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 1: your personal economic condition. Some people, you know, the stock

515
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: market could take even more. And even though we're seeing

516
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 1: record highs right now and really not feel the pinch,

517
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 1: right you can iay, I've got to pay a couple

518
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 1: of bucks extra for hamburger.

519
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 2: You're not gonna fail. And there are people out there

520
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 2: like that.

521
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 1: But generally speaking, people feel squeezed, and that is also

522
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 1: true with gen Z. Right now the financial twenty percent,

523
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: two out of ten say I just can't afford to

524
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: drink on the regular. Every once in a while, maybe

525
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 1: I might have a glass of something that's buy and large.

526
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,119
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that. So we have a historic decline

527
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 1: and alcohol consumption in this country. Fifty four percent Americans

528
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: fifty four percent drink alcohol in twenty twenty three, So

529
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,239
Speaker 1: three years ago, I would say two years ago, uh,

530
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: sixty two percent went from sixty two to fifty four,

531
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 1: sixty two and twenty twenty three, fifty eight and twenty

532
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: twenty four and fifty four.

533
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 2: Now in.

534
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 1: The end of twenty twenty five, and at this trend,

535
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 1: you're going to see this, you know, the numbers go

536
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 1: down in a ten year period, easily double digits, right,

537
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: That's that's incredible.

538
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 2: The largest single dip and drinking.

539
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 1: We're seeing a ninety year low as far as alcohol goes,

540
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 1: and forty four percent of Americans plan to drink less

541
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:34,400
Speaker 1: this year.

542
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 2: Largely young people are driving this.

543
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 1: I think the cutoff is going to be the cutoff

544
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: obviously would be millennials, especially the older millennials. And you

545
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: wonder that you look around, you see all these you know, microbreweries,

546
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 1: and you know, in the day and agent, we know

547
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 1: about restaurant and beverage, restaurant and food.

548
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 2: I mean, restaurants generally don't hang around long.

549
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: I mean, look at Taste of Belgium right, just filing

550
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 1: bankruptcy protection in that place. I mean just a couple

551
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 1: years ago, it's absolutely booming, multiple locations all over, and

552
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 1: now they've they've completely taken that model down, and so

553
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: tastes and interest change rather quickly in that sector for sure.

554
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: So you know, looking ten twenty years out is damn

555
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: near an impossibility of what the public is going demand

556
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: because we're very fickle of what we want to put

557
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: in our mouths or drink for that matter, drink or eat,

558
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: So we just don't know one order.

559
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 2: But it makes it wonder like, what is the bar?

560
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: See what's it going to look like in twenty years

561
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 1: if that, if that trend persists, are you gonna just

562
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 1: see bars closing left after right, because no one is

563
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: doing that anymore, or are you going to see all

564
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 1: you know, non alcoholic joints open up, which you already

565
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: have to some degree where you're gonna be able to

566
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: open a quote unquote bar and not even have a

567
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: liquor license because no one's drinking alcohol. And if that's

568
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: the case, you go, well, why the hell would you.

569
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 2: Go to a bar?

570
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, there's still the social element there among

571
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 1: those who do drink. By the way, in that drinking number,

572
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: only twenty three percent had a drink in the past

573
00:26:55,800 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: twenty fours. That's a record low. Man, there's still twenty

574
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: twenty three percent of people still having a drink a day. See,

575
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: that just seems weird. That seems really weird to me.

576
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: You know, back in the day, people would drink a

577
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: lot of al and liquor and spirits because the drinking

578
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: water is unsafe.

579
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 2: Well, we don't have that problem.

580
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: We haven't had that problem in like forever pretty much

581
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: for almost everyone listening, I would say, and so yeah,

582
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: you would get your ration of you know, if you're

583
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: in the military, you get a ration of ale simply

584
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: because the alcohol kill all the nasties off and you

585
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: know it that that water was at least pure. But

586
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: you know, according to people cabinet one drink a day,

587
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: that's that's still pretty high. I would think, say it's

588
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: more than it's been more than a week since their

589
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: last drink. That's the highest number since two thousand and

590
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: the average number of drinks the lowest since nineteen ninety six.

591
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: It was three point eight and twenty twenty four or

592
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: now down below to two point eight right now, and

593
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: that number continues to drop. That is that's absolutely amazing.

594
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: So you know, you talk about dried January, it's dry January.

595
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: It seems like it's dry January through December, and maybe

596
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: that is the one big month world young vibrary. You

597
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: know again is against at you from you know, having

598
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 1: a beer at a ballgame or at a picnic or

599
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,239
Speaker 1: something like that, a cookout barbecue. Okay, yeah, probably not,

600
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 1: but it certainly is interesting dynamic. If you break it

601
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: down by generation, and that is a percent planning to

602
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,479
Speaker 1: drink less this year. Gen z as I mentioned far

603
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: and away sixty five percent, but millennial is about sixty

604
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 1: percent plan to drink less this year. Forty nine percent

605
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: gen xers baby boomers plan to drink more thirty Only

606
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 1: thirty percent say of baby boomers. Are older generations say that,

607
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: but my generation about we're about fifty to fifty right

608
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: now planning. I'm not planning and drinking more or less.

609
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 1: I just drink when I want to. And I know

610
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: some people are hung up about drinking. Some people, you know,

611
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: want to keep it clean and pure and pick their spots.

612
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: Other people may be predisposed to alcoholism or just don't

613
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: like the way it makes you feel. I get that,

614
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't have all the thing of vices

615
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: in my life. One of them is not alcohol necessarily.

616
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: I like having a good bourbon or beer or whatever.

617
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: I'll go where the vibe takes me. But I don't

618
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: really schedule out my drinking, and like.

619
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 2: By half of us do that. I guess as well too.

620
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: Among different races, Nonspanic whites down eleven points. People of

621
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: color studied about fifty percent, and that is the lowest

622
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: of all groups. And I guess it gets back to

623
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: that affordability issue, I would think anyway. So but but

624
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: despite that, you know, there's still, as I said, there's

625
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: alternatives out there. I think that's the other thing. You've

626
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: got the super premium well tequilas and bourbons and things

627
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: like that. You're going to see that grow, Actually, I don't.

628
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: I the new trend is tequila. I guess eight percent

629
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,719
Speaker 1: projected growth in tequila. I don't know if that's at

630
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: the expensive bourbon I'm not quite sure. Ready to drink

631
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: cocktails that's up like twenty percent. So the pre mixed cans,

632
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: if you will, what is it?

633
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 2: Cutwater?

634
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: I think they do a lot. And there's companies do that.

635
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: Some of are goods, some of them are not good,

636
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: like anything else. Ready to serve as our eight and

637
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: alcoholic beer though nine alcoholic beer is up twenty two percent,

638
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: but the overall category of beer is down a half

639
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: more than a half percent and dollar sales and so

640
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: you're seeing a huge shift here when it comes to

641
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: drinking that younger generations are prioritizing physical, mental health and

642
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: savings as well, and a lot of social media influencers

643
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: are promoting alcohol free lifestyles because you know, it's all

644
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: about looking good, and I guess part of looking good

645
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: would be feeling good too. But that changes certainly the

646
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: landscape of everything we've come to know when it comes

647
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: to how we live here, that's for sure. That's sure

648
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:28,959
Speaker 1: coming up at ten o seven. His name is Ken

649
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: Kochinelli Eno. If you know this, it's kind of wonky,

650
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: but I think good for the first week back here

651
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Speaker 1: to talk about this and the election integrity project. Governor

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Speaker 1: Dewin just signed in the law Senate bill, I think

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Speaker 1: two ninety three out to get my note on that one,

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Speaker 1: I believe two nine to three, which would allow us.

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Speaker 1: Now it's going to essentially what it's going to do

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Speaker 1: is if your ballot doesn't get in by election day,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't count.

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Speaker 2: And there's a case both ways for this.

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Speaker 1: But Ken Is said he's the guy who was behind

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Speaker 1: this movement and is going to take a little bit

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Speaker 1: of victory lap coming up at six this morning here

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Speaker 1: on the Big One, seven hundred WLW in the Scots

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Speaker 1: Loan Show. Later on Julie Bouki's here of course as well.

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Speaker 1: And also talked to Steven eyed Is back about mental

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Speaker 1: health care laws. And you know, we were just discussing

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Speaker 1: yesterday the Rodney Hinton case and it's determined that the

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Speaker 1: court is determined and the experts are determined that he

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Speaker 1: is not going to face the death penalty because he

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Speaker 1: was legally insane. I guess at the time that he

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Speaker 1: murdered the deputy. I don't know if I totally agree

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Speaker 1: with that logic there myself, but nonetheless, we have not

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Speaker 1: seen the death penalty used effectively in a long time,

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Speaker 1: so it's kind of a mood point to say we

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Speaker 1: have a death penalty doesn't really matter. Life in prison

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Speaker 1: seems to be the best you can do, and at

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Speaker 1: least we hopefully there's hope that he will never see

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Speaker 1: the light of day again, and that would be the

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Speaker 1: dream of many, including the family of Larry Henderson and others,

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Speaker 1: if not the community. But the idea that some people

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Speaker 1: go in and get treatment in prison, that we know

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Speaker 1: that not to be true, and you wonder if stronger

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Speaker 1: And this is not to make a vicar of the

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Speaker 1: murderer of Larry Henderson, not at all. But you know,

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Speaker 1: the best way to stop talking about these horrific things

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Speaker 1: and these acts is is to secure the problem. And

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Speaker 1: for a lot of people it's mental health. I mean,

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Speaker 1: look at this, this kid who broke into a kid

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Speaker 1: he's twenty six, looks like he's ten. He's twenty six.

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Speaker 1: Here the kid who smashed the windows at Jade Vanson's house.

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Speaker 1: His mom was on the news last night. Seemed like

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Speaker 1: a well adjusted, normal lady, I guess. And you know, again,

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Speaker 1: mental health certainly knows no socioekon boundaries. You could be rich,

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Speaker 1: it could be poor, black, white, doesn't matter if people

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Speaker 1: have metal health issues in this country, as you know,

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Speaker 1: and it probably is struck in some way, shape or

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Speaker 1: form anyone listening, whether it's a family, friend, neighbor, cowork

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Speaker 1: or something like that.

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Speaker 2: It's scary.

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Speaker 1: And her son was, you know, when he was on

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Speaker 1: his meds or as he was doing well, he was thriving,

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Speaker 1: I guess, and this is one of the times where

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Speaker 1: he wasn't. Took a hammer and did twenty eight thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars for the damage to jd Vance's house. And she said,

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Speaker 1: now it wasn't political law. It could have been any house,

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Speaker 1: as a lawyer said, political haw. It could have been

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Speaker 1: any house, could have been Anybody's just happened. He picked

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Speaker 1: the wrong house. And jd Vance is because that's going

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Speaker 1: to carry a whole bunch of federal charges. He's looking

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Speaker 1: at decades in prison for that act, which I don't

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Speaker 1: know if the judge throws that at him.

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Speaker 5: Or not.

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Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure. But again it's back to the

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Speaker 1: mental health issue, and that's probably true. That's true with him,

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Speaker 1: it's true a lot of folks, including Rodney Hinton. But

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Speaker 1: you wonder, you know, if we simply got we got

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Speaker 1: away from that whole thing where we would take people

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Speaker 1: maybe like that where they should be on. I don't

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Speaker 1: know about the Jdvans guy, but in this case with Hinton,

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Speaker 1: we know that he is suffering from a very serious

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Speaker 1: mental illness in bipolar disorder, you know, schizophrenia, things like

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Speaker 1: that that need serious, serious medication. But if you don't

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Speaker 1: take your meds, and you can't force someone to take

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Speaker 1: their meds, what's the alternative. Well, we have all these

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Speaker 1: people on the street. You add in the homeless as well.

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Speaker 1: It's a huge problem. You know, if we just simply

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Speaker 1: bring back the institutions to house folks like this where

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Speaker 1: they could literally make sure they're on their medication and

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Speaker 1: post a dangerous society, maybe things like this don't happen

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Speaker 1: in the future. They will, but maybe not to the

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Speaker 1: extreme that we see that. Anyway, there're two stories just

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Speaker 1: you know, in the last week or in the last couple

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Speaker 1: of days, for example to illustrate that. So we'll get

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Speaker 1: into that. At about eleven oh seven this morning, I

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Speaker 1: get a news update, and as I said, Ken Couchinelli's

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Speaker 1: here changing election law. Excuse me a little bit in Ohio.

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Speaker 1: We'll do that next year. Seven hundred WW Cincinnati to Manican.

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Speaker 1: It's scott'sone show on seven hundred WLW. It is Ohio

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Speaker 1: Senate built two ninety three, and that's going to set

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Speaker 1: new restrictions for absentee balloting voting in Ohio. Number of things,

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Speaker 1: a climate, improves efficiency, voter confidence, and it would basically

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Speaker 1: what happens in Ohio have four days after election day

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Speaker 1: to have your vote counted.

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Speaker 2: This would change that.

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Speaker 1: I think thirty seven other states I believe, have that

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Speaker 1: right now, where if the ballot is not received at

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Speaker 1: the Board of Elections by election day itself, it's it's invalid.

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Speaker 1: And that is part of Senate Buil two ninety three,

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Speaker 1: which has now been signed by the governor. Ken Kuchenelli's

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Speaker 1: a former Trump's staffer and former Attorney General of Virginia

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Speaker 1: and he's with the Election Transparency Initiative joins the show

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Speaker 1: this morning.

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Speaker 3: Ken.

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Speaker 2: How are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing well, he's changed his name.

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Speaker 5: You can well, for one, particularly as the postal service

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Speaker 5: gets worse and worse instead of better and better, the

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00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 5: logic of ending elections on election day becomes clearer and clearer.

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Speaker 5: You know, you can go back twenty years to Jimmy

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Speaker 5: Carter and James Baker. They had a bipartisan commission that

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Speaker 5: they found that the most the form of voting, most

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Speaker 5: subject of fraud and problems was mail in voting. And

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Speaker 5: if you cut it off on election day, not only

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Speaker 5: do you find out who won your elections on election

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Speaker 5: day instead of the having the four day waiting period

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Speaker 5: in which so much conspiracy theories take place from both sides.

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Speaker 5: By the way, that you also have voters whose ballots

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Speaker 5: are showing up earlier who if they make mistakes, can

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Speaker 5: actually cure them. You can't cure them mistake after election day.

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Speaker 5: You can only cure it before election day.

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Speaker 3: So this would.

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Speaker 5: Also lead to fixing more mistakenly cast ballots, something that

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Speaker 5: doesn't get talked about very much. And as you noted,

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Speaker 5: it's thirty four other states that really end elections on

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Speaker 5: election day and at Election Transparency Initiative, as our name implies,

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Speaker 5: we believe transparency is critical to the confidence in elections,

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Speaker 5: and when you drag elections out past election day when

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Speaker 5: you don't need to, that confidence begins to drop pretty precipitously,

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Speaker 5: and that has real effects on whether people show up

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Speaker 5: in the first place and turnout. And so we think

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Speaker 5: Center Built two ninety three would be a tremendous improvement.

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Speaker 5: And also, by the way, establishes cleaning up of the

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Speaker 5: voter rolls every month. And as I mentioned, you can

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Speaker 5: fix You can fix mistake and ballots before the election

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Speaker 5: that you can't fix after the election. It's not legal.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that the burden though on the voter and consequestion?

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Speaker 1: How many people are actually going back and realizing they

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Speaker 1: made a mistake. What are the numbers on that?

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Speaker 5: So it isn't that the people realized they made a mistake.

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Speaker 5: That the clerks get to process the ballots before election

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Speaker 5: day and they find that voters made a mistake and

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Speaker 5: they can contact the voter and if they can come

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Speaker 5: in and fix the mistake, for example, they didn't fulfill

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Speaker 5: the requirements of the envelope the ballot has to come in,

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Speaker 5: they can fix those things. And obviously all of us

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Speaker 5: who want it to be easy to vote and hard

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Speaker 5: to cheat. Want people to be able to fix those mistakes.

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Speaker 5: So I don't know the exact numbers in Ohio. I

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Speaker 5: do know that curing is allowed and that your clerks

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Speaker 5: do what they can to make sure the people who've

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Speaker 5: made those sorts of errors get the chance to fix them.

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Speaker 5: So they can't do it on or after election day.

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Speaker 5: On election day, they just don't have the manpower. After

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Speaker 5: election day, it's too late.

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Speaker 1: Keny also said that you know this is about the

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Speaker 1: mass slower and selver mail service, but just still punishes

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Speaker 1: people though, because if mail service is slow beyond their

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Speaker 1: control and they still don't get in by election day,

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Speaker 1: that's even worse instead of that four day grace period

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Speaker 1: that they would give you. And consequently, it doesn't that

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Speaker 1: disproportionately impact rural voters with slower mail service, or the

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Speaker 1: disabled or elderly voters, working class vote or something like that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: at the same time, there's an exemption here that allows

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Speaker 1: that four days to stand. For soldiers who are serving overseas,

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Speaker 1: why just exempt them?

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Speaker 5: Well, because for several reasons, One, they have no choice

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Speaker 5: but to vote by mail, whereas for most people who

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Speaker 5: use voting by mail in Ohio, they do have the

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Speaker 5: choice one and two.

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Speaker 3: They're coming longer.

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Speaker 5: Distances because they're overseas and deployed, So there's some rationale

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Speaker 5: to it.

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Speaker 3: I would tell you.

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Speaker 2: What if what if you work overseas well?

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Speaker 5: Those folks are left in the same posture before and

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Speaker 5: after CENTEFIL two ninety three, that four day stays for

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Speaker 5: both military and and resident overseas voters.

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Speaker 2: Gotcha, okay, so it applies to them.

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Speaker 5: I don't know this thing is then you find out

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Speaker 5: who who wins on election night.

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Speaker 3: That's a big deal. I mean, think about.

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Speaker 5: Look, I'll point to Florida. Florida is the third largest state,

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Speaker 5: and people on both sides of the aisle continue to

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Speaker 5: be amazed that an hour after the polls closed in

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Speaker 5: Florida they throw six million votes up on the board.

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Speaker 5: How do they do that? They do that because votes

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Speaker 5: have in before election day that they've processed, right, and

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Speaker 5: so they can have them counted during election day and

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Speaker 5: be ready to put that up. And both sides appreciate

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Speaker 5: that that takes an awful lot of the guests words

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Speaker 5: suspicion out of the process of ballot processing. A lot

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Speaker 5: of it and I would also note in Virginia, you

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Speaker 5: know my most Democrats, so I'm a Republican. So people

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Speaker 5: might think, well, some must be some Republican. Well, the

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Speaker 5: director of Elections and the most Democrat voting district in Virginia, Petersburg, Virginia,

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Speaker 5: has for years been recommending to people in her city

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Speaker 5: that they not ever mail about it ever, that they

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Speaker 5: do anything they can to bring it in in person

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Speaker 5: or voting person because of how many every single election,

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Speaker 5: no matter how early they mailed them, just never show up.

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Speaker 5: And that's been that's been years in the making.

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Speaker 3: So look this, but this is not about that.

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Speaker 1: This is about I don't really care about those states.

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Speaker 1: I care about where I live Ohio.

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Speaker 5: And work, but the postals. But but the reasons for

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Speaker 5: it are universal. The reasons for it are universal. And

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Speaker 5: I use Florida as an example because it's such an

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Speaker 5: enormous state and yet they managed to process all those

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Speaker 5: ballots by an hour after the post close. And and

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Speaker 5: look you've got You've got tens hundreds of thousands of

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Speaker 5: people voting by mail. And if they they're not stupid,

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Speaker 5: I don't assume they're stupid. I know Mike Dwain. We

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Speaker 5: serve as Attorney's General together. I know he doesn't think

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Speaker 5: people in Ohio stupid, and they're going to shift forward.

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Speaker 5: They're voting, if they're male voters, to make the deadline.

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Speaker 5: They're not dumb, they're smart. And they're also going to

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Speaker 5: by doing that, get the opportunity in the in the

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Speaker 5: event they make mistakes on their ballot to be able

868
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Speaker 5: to correct those. So this is going to get more

869
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Speaker 5: votes in the ballot box, some of which the estimate

870
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Speaker 5: I understand out of Ohio's around the thousand that would

871
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Speaker 5: otherwise be uncounted because of the estates and how they're filed,

872
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Speaker 5: will have the opportunity to get cured.

873
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Speaker 4: And you know.

874
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Speaker 3: That's that's not a big number.

875
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Speaker 5: But we've had races to seven by a thousand in

876
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Speaker 5: Virginia and where you know.

877
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Speaker 1: We've had close ones here in Ohio. Absolutely. Ken Kuchinelli's

878
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Speaker 1: here on the show on seven hundred WLW. He's with

879
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Speaker 1: the Election Transparency Commission, and Mike the Wine just signed

880
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Speaker 1: the law sentate Bill two ninety three that would aid

881
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Speaker 1: any transparency of election spending. To look at this thing,

882
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: and one of the caveats would be to eliminate the

883
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 1: four day gray spiard after elections. To have your ballot count,

884
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Speaker 1: it have to be in and counted prior to election

885
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: polls closing for that to occur. And it's kind of

886
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: a that's kind of a minor point, but I guess

887
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: you have thing too, would be well, if the election

888
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,280
Speaker 1: were that close, and we've had, as you said, close elections,

889
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: and the way as divide as we are in this country,

890
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Speaker 1: will have even more close elections, I guess in the

891
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: near future. But if that's the case, wouldn't I just

892
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,439
Speaker 1: automatically trigger a recount? So it puts everything on hold.

893
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 5: Anyway, when you have elections that are within the margin

894
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 5: of the recount, of course that happens, but that doesn't

895
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 5: even determined until you've got your ballots in and their counting,

896
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 5: and you can know that election night if you have

897
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Speaker 5: all your ballots in and I say all your ballots in.

898
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 5: Of course, we've already talked about military and overseas voters

899
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 5: still get the four days, but the proportion of the

900
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Speaker 5: balloting that comes from those folks is extremely small, extremely small.

901
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 5: And let's say that the majority, the vast majority of

902
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 5: those votes are already in by election day, So with

903
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 5: the other votes not lingering after election, it's the tune

904
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 5: of tens or hundreds of thousands of votes, you know

905
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 5: immediately if you're heading into a recount situation. And I

906
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Speaker 5: would say, look, we've seen the hyperbole that flies around

907
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 5: after elections from both sides. You can look at Stacy

908
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,240
Speaker 5: Abrams and Georgia in twenty eighteen, you can look at

909
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 5: how people felt about the twenty twenty outcome, and this

910
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 5: trace is back all the way really to Bush v.

911
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 5: Gore in two thousand, right in some aspects of those

912
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 5: complaints are often legitimate and some aren't. And you mentioned

913
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 5: this bill does a couple of small things. Elections are

914
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Speaker 5: made up of hundreds of small things, and this bill

915
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Speaker 5: would help clean up and clean up Ohio elections, firm

916
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Speaker 5: them up, and make them more transparent on election day

917
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 5: when people expect, whether you and I think it's reasonable

918
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 5: or not, when people expect to know the outcome, and

919
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 5: you know, matching the process to citizens expectations is a

920
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 5: way to build confidence in the outcome of the election,

921
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Speaker 5: no matter who wins. And that's that's a major goal

922
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Speaker 5: for the Election Transparency Initiative.

923
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: But that's also Ken that's also kind of undermined when

924
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 1: you have people that are talking about how, you know,

925
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: if you lose the election. Let's talk about what Trump

926
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: did last time, right he lost the election, I was

927
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 1: you know, was stolen basically, and we still have the

928
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: Mipellow guy out there that's pretty much lost everything and

929
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 1: he's still banging the drum for this stuff.

930
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 2: It's never been proven.

931
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 1: I think that underminds it more than things like this,

932
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 1: don't you.

933
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Speaker 5: This is what legislators and governors can do to build

934
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 5: the confidence up, and they have to work with how

935
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 5: their process really works. They don't get to just say

936
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Speaker 5: whatever they want. And you can use the twenty twenty example.

937
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 5: I started with Stacy Abrams. We can go back all

938
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Speaker 5: the way to two thousand and the Bush vy Gore

939
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Speaker 5: and this has been both sides of the aisle at

940
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 5: various points in time. Hillary Clinton didn't concede she lost.

941
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Speaker 5: Perry mccaulloff didn't conceive that Hillary Clinton lost, you know,

942
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 5: for years and years, and suddenly that was treason when

943
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 5: Donald Trump wouldn't wouldn't took the same approach. So you know,

944
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 5: this bill treats everybody the same. It changes the rules

945
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,720
Speaker 5: before the election in a way that voters can understand. Again,

946
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 5: we respect intelligence voters and we expect them to respond

947
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 5: to the changes in the process. And the more states

948
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Speaker 5: that start doing this when it is presidential elections at

949
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 5: state the only elections that cross state lines, then we'll

950
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Speaker 5: know the answers to the answer to who the next

951
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 5: president is more quickly and will eliminate the paranoia period

952
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 5: between election day and when ballots are finally counted.

953
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: Is that I mean, is their census might be mooting

954
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,399
Speaker 1: sent because I know that the court I think Fifth

955
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: Circuit ruled Mississippi's grace period violator federal law right because

956
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: election includes receipt of ballots that only applies in three states.

957
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: The Supreme Court yet to rule on this. So is

958
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: this here in Ohio can preemptively elinating voter access based

959
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: on speculation about what Scotus might do? And if Supreme

960
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: Court rules the other way, then do we need to

961
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: we have to under the law?

962
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 2: Should we wait till it's till's still rules?

963
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 5: First of all, this bill doesn't eliminate voter access. It

964
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 5: improves voter access. You seem to assume that no one

965
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 5: will adjust.

966
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: Well, you could just it's easy to fix us and

967
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: just go, hey, you know what, here's kind of like

968
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 1: Christmas shopping. Here's when you're shipping gifts, or like Amazon says, okay,

969
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: here's the drop that if you want your package arrive

970
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 1: before Christmas. Uh, it's well average. We could do the

971
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 1: same thing and not eat a bill, isn't it. I

972
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,720
Speaker 1: mean you're just telling people to vote earlier.

973
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Speaker 5: No, well, to do what you propose is still require

974
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 5: a bill, but for your listeners benefit, you're correct. The

975
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 5: Fifth Federal Circuit, which is Mississippi and Louisiana, ruled recently

976
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 5: that in federal elections, so even year elections happening in November,

977
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 5: because they can only rule on federal law and federal elections,

978
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 5: that the election must end on election day, meaning all

979
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 5: ballots must be received by election day. That's the Fifth

980
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 5: Circus interpretation of federal law that has been appealed to

981
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 5: the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court has taken the case.

982
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 5: We don't know how that case will come out, but

983
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 5: you are correct for federal elections that if the Supreme

984
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 5: Court upholds the Fifth Circuit, then all even year elections

985
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 5: are going to end on election day. And what you

986
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 5: and I are talking about is going to become the law. Well,

987
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 5: it will have been acknowledged as having been the law,

988
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:56,439
Speaker 5: but not enforced across the country. So it doesn't mean

989
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 5: it applies to all your state elections or any that

990
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 5: you may have in the spring at local and so forth,

991
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 5: those kinds of things. But it would apply to federal elections,

992
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 5: which will be the even year November election.

993
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 1: Ken Kuchinelli at the Election Transparency Initial, appreciate you answered

994
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 1: my questions.

995
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 5: Sure, glad to do it all the best of you

996
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 5: be well.

997
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: Thanks again, And that is the law signed by the

998
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: governor right now. So it's going to change a little bit,

999
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 1: a little bit. Anyway, I've got to get a news

1000
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 1: update in run a little bit behind. What do we

1001
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: got on the way here? How about Julie Bouki our

1002
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: career shurpas. She is coming up next on the show,

1003
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 1: some career advice for you from the woman herself. That's

1004
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Speaker 1: next after news on the Home of the Red seven

1005
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Speaker 1: hundred W wellw.

1006
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Speaker 2: Helping you put the big P in profession. Here's our career, sir,

1007
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Speaker 2: Julie Bauki. First one of.

1008
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Speaker 1: The new year, where our good friend at Julie Bauki

1009
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Speaker 1: and we today's our anniversary who we've been together the

1010
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Speaker 1: most marriages?

1011
00:49:54,960 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 6: Last Yeah, twelve years ago we had our first regularly

1012
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 6: scheduled segment. Not that we hadn't talked before then. This

1013
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:10,919
Speaker 6: is our anniversary of our of our regularly scheduled segments. Yeah,

1014
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 6: so happy adversary.

1015
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 2: Happy adversary to you. Yeah, I'm not quite sure. Twelve.

1016
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Speaker 2: What is twelve? I think is cement? I think I'm

1017
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Speaker 2: not sure it is.

1018
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it doesn't feel like a day over fifteen anyway,

1019
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,439
Speaker 1: Julius here, she's our career Shirpa on the Sconslan Show

1020
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 1: on seven hundred WLW, and we always talk career related stuff.

1021
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: I saw this over the holidays and wanted to bring

1022
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: it up because I think it's intriguing that there are

1023
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 1: a number of states right now that have something called

1024
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:37,879
Speaker 1: a pay transparency law.

1025
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 2: Can you talk about that?

1026
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, nineteen out of twenty states have what they call

1027
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 6: a pay transparency law. And what it means different things

1028
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 6: in different states, but in general, what it means is

1029
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,439
Speaker 6: the company's over a certain amount of employees, and again

1030
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 6: that number varies by stakes must share or advertise when

1031
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 6: they advertise a job they must say here's the salary

1032
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 6: range for the jobs. And then in some states when

1033
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 6: you post an internal job, you also have to you

1034
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 6: have to make salary ranges available of your organization for

1035
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Speaker 6: your employees as well. Now, most people who worked in

1036
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 6: any sort of company of any size are pretty used

1037
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 6: to the idea of salary ranges and pay bands or

1038
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 6: whatever they call you know, whatever they call them. Where

1039
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 6: you are, it gives you a feel for where you

1040
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 6: land in that pay band. So it gives you a

1041
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 6: feel for what your potential is within that pay band.

1042
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 6: What's the highest, what's the lowest, what's the mid range?

1043
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 6: Ahl old HR jockeys are very very aware of this,

1044
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 6: and it's just this is one of those things that

1045
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 6: I look at and say, why wouldn't you have pay transparency?

1046
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 6: Why wouldn't you want people to know what the pay

1047
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 6: range is for their role? And the only reason I've

1048
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 6: ever thought of is it's if you want to keep

1049
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 6: it hidden and pay people as little as you can.

1050
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 6: And that generally happens a lot of times when there

1051
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 6: is we do the stance when we interview, well, what

1052
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 6: is what's the salary range for the vision of what

1053
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 6: are you currently making what are you looking for? What's

1054
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 6: the salary range posission? And it's not It is just doesn't. Yeah,

1055
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 6: it doesn't create trust or transparency. And if you are

1056
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 6: not proud of the way that you are that you

1057
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 6: are paying your people and where you sit in the

1058
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 6: market to other competitors for that talent, then maybe you

1059
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,760
Speaker 6: should do something about that instead of trying to fool

1060
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 6: people who there's so much conversation now about salaries between people.

1061
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 6: It's not the taboo topic it used to be. That

1062
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,280
Speaker 6: they're going to find out anyway. If you can't justify

1063
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 6: it for the market and for what you're trying to

1064
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 6: do in your organization and make that a part of

1065
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 6: an interview or a conversation, I'm not sure what we're

1066
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 6: trying to do here. I don't think that I don't

1067
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Speaker 6: think that bodes well for your future with the potential employee.

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00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I again, because business is trying to save

1069
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: every penny they can. That's a negotiation, you know, if

1070
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: you're buying same buy the same thing with buying a car.

1071
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 1: The car dealer has a number, You have a number,

1072
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: but you kind of got an idea how much the

1073
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: car of the actual resale the real shore retail price

1074
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Speaker 1: of the car is and you negotiate around that. You

1075
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 1: really don't have that on the job. What about things

1076
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: like open door that have kind of leveled of playing fill.

1077
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Speaker 1: How accurate is that stuff?

1078
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 6: It's pretty good, Blackdoor.

1079
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 2: I think you're talking about glasto. What did I say?

1080
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 4: It's pretty good?

1081
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 7: You know, I think you have else.

1082
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 6: I think you have to take anything you see online

1083
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 6: with a grain of salt. One of the things that

1084
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 6: really is helpful from an employee standpoint is that because

1085
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 6: people are so well connected online, you can go out

1086
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 6: and read, you can talk to people who used to

1087
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 6: work there, talk to people work there now. But what

1088
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 6: you can also do is you can take a look

1089
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 6: at what other companies are paying. So if you're a

1090
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 6: claim to adjust sure at a company and you say, well,

1091
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 6: wait a minute, I wonder, am I I've been here

1092
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:10,240
Speaker 6: a long time? Am I being paid fairly to market?

1093
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 6: That's what you should be comparing yourself to, not the other, Yes,

1094
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 6: to the other claims adjusters that you know, but also

1095
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 6: what is the market paying. I think for all of us,

1096
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 6: because we now know that we're very much in a

1097
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 6: tactical relationship with our employers, which means that two weeks

1098
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 6: pay for two weeks work and then we renegotiate. It's

1099
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 6: much more tactical than relational. I think you owe it

1100
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 6: to yourself to take your product to the market, and

1101
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 6: what I mean by that is through the product and

1102
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 6: by taking to the market, at least do some research

1103
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 6: if I were to leave here, and what would I get?

1104
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:46,320
Speaker 6: Because who happens sloany? Which is just and this is

1105
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 6: where people find out and they just you know, just

1106
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 6: it's just horrible. Is that I've been doing this for

1107
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 6: ten years. You just hired somebody to do the same job,

1108
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 6: sit next to me, and you're having me train them,

1109
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 6: and you're paying meet them more than me. What So

1110
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 6: that also has to be a look at what what

1111
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 6: kind of equity do you have? What's in the salary equity?

1112
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 6: Is it performance based, is it value based? And what

1113
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 6: do you have inside your company? And how do you

1114
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 6: feel about that? Internal people have to take a look

1115
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 6: at what is our what's our what are our salaries

1116
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 6: look like? Internally? Are we taking care of our long

1117
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 6: service high performers or are we doing me I'm just

1118
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 6: going to hope they don't find out.

1119
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: Method Yeah, and I think our organization is obviously reluctant

1120
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,399
Speaker 1: to change that. That's driving this too as well. It's

1121
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 1: the pay transparency issue right now. So what nineteen or

1122
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: twenty states have it? By the way, I guess like Novada,

1123
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: New York has a Maryland, Illinois and Minnesota obviously, uh

1124
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 1: in Ohio, I know that Toledo and Cincinnati also have

1125
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 1: limited pay transparency ordinances. Anyway, I don't know how you

1126
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: can unforce that specifically in the city but state wide

1127
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: to be a different issue entirely. But I guess this is,

1128
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: you know, the genius is in the details with how

1129
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: you do this whole thing. The idea here is to

1130
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: close the pay gap, but one employees just find new

1131
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:17,399
Speaker 1: ways to keep those disparities through bonuses, their equity or

1132
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:21,399
Speaker 1: different types of conversation because because what happens is there

1133
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: are people that are big, big performers, and guess what,

1134
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: you want to keep those people employed with you, and

1135
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: you're going to try and do that. What if that

1136
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: exceeds the window that you had posted. So it's again,

1137
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: it's such a it's such a fluid thing that I

1138
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: don't know how this work. If it's it's actually going

1139
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: to do what's intended to do. Let's put it that way.

1140
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,919
Speaker 6: Yeah, And unfortunately, inside a lot of organizations, the left

1141
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 6: hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. And

1142
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 6: there isn't that internal look. It's just always been and

1143
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 6: traditional leadership was just I'm going to call it traditional management.

1144
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 6: So the leadership has always been pat me on the

1145
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:56,919
Speaker 6: head and I'll tell you when you're ready for a raise.

1146
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 6: And you don't need to know that stuff. Yeah, they do.

1147
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 6: There is each individual, it's their career and they have

1148
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 6: every right to and have as much information as makes sense.

1149
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 6: Do they have the right to know what everybody else

1150
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 6: makes of course not, but they If you can develop

1151
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 6: a culture with trust and transparency that people in general

1152
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 6: believe that you are, that you are treating them billy

1153
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 6: in the market and compared to their peers for your

1154
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 6: performance and experience level, you will have a very very

1155
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 6: engaged employee who will be very very happy to help

1156
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 6: recruit other great employees to you. And so it's it's

1157
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 6: this let's let's keep everybody in the dark approach. That

1158
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 6: doesn't work anymore because the market is saying otherwise, and

1159
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 6: people are talking about their salaries and they're talking about

1160
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 6: what they pay, what each company pays, and so if

1161
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 6: you're sitting in Ohio or a state without a salary

1162
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 6: transparency law, people that live here can go look at

1163
00:57:56,520 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 6: job postings all over country and they can get a

1164
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 6: good feel for, in general, what the market rate is

1165
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 6: for their skills. And so even if you don't have

1166
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 6: it in Ohio, technology helps us really figure out what

1167
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 6: we're worth now this and then you know, if you

1168
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 6: find out that, you could leave. And I've had clients

1169
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 6: do this where they say they go back to their

1170
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 6: to their employer and say, you know, hey, look I

1171
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 6: just got approached by another company, or I just got this,

1172
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 6: or I just got that, and I'm finding that there

1173
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 6: are lots of companies out there who would love to

1174
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,919
Speaker 6: hire me or double what I'm making now, or ten

1175
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 6: percent more than i'm making now. It's a risk to

1176
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 6: have that conversation, and you have to really have your data.

1177
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 6: But if you're not a strong performer, that's a double

1178
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 6: risky question. That's a double risky conversation because that could

1179
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 6: turn into there's the door, right, and so you know

1180
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 6: you have to be really careful. But if you don't

1181
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,479
Speaker 6: advocate for yourself, no one else will just don't ever

1182
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 6: in conversations emotionally. You want to go in armed with

1183
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 6: information at make it a business proposition. Yeah, you know, Val.

1184
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's true.

1185
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 1: Again, it's incumbent upon you to try and get the

1186
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 1: best deal possible for you with the information that you have.

1187
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if mandating pay transparency is going to

1188
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 1: do that, because I mean, if you look at wage growth,

1189
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 1: for example, is there a concern that that's just transparency thing?

1190
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: Pay transparency issue that's been mandated by some governments and

1191
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: states and it's catching on now, so almost half states

1192
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: have some sort of law on the books involving pay

1193
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 1: transparency and a scale for what your job pays. I

1194
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 1: think a couple of things. Number one is we're always

1195
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 1: changing jobs. People in school today are training for jobs

1196
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 1: that are yet to be created, so that that's a

1197
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: whole new twist there because we just change and pivot

1198
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 1: so quickly because of the nature of capitalism and our economy.

1199
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: Yesterday's job isn't guaranteed, and tomorrow's job we don't know

1200
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:55,439
Speaker 1: what it is, but it'll be something. And I think

1201
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: there's an issue that this could suppress those wages if

1202
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 1: if now you're anchored to these ranges rather than competing aggressively.

1203
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 6: Yes, absolutely, you know it's an internal look. Organizations have

1204
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 6: to do an internal look at pay equity, but also

1205
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 6: they need to do compensation surveys. Either compare themselves to

1206
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 6: the people or i'm sorry, the organizations against which they

1207
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 6: compete for talent. And that's really important. You've got to

1208
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 6: make sure you're comparing apples to Apple. And it's not

1209
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 6: enough to say, well, you know, there aren't many jobs

1210
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 6: out there, so nobody's going to leave because they're turnover

1211
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 6: so low. Oh, believe me, when things pick up as

1212
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 6: they always do, your best people are the ones that

1213
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 6: will have those opportunities. And is it worth it? Is

1214
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 6: your employee relations strategy just simply I don't know, I

1215
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 6: think my people are too lazy to go find something

1216
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 6: else or you know, I mean that has a terrible

1217
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 6: way to have an engaged workforce that's bringing their best

1218
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 6: skills every day.

1219
01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 1: And that's probably the rule rather than the exception that

1220
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 1: that kind And it's like, hey, listen, you know what

1221
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 1: I got. We got to figure out a way how

1222
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:04,479
Speaker 1: to get to ten percent profit this quarter?

1223
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 3: Right?

1224
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: You know that means throwing bodies out the window and

1225
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 1: paying people less. We're going to do that because I

1226
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 1: got to hit my numbers. That's how the generally, that's

1227
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 1: how the system is built. And then of course, you

1228
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: know what about highly compensated employees where their pay exceeds

1229
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: the posted range because the job title is always changing

1230
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 1: or whatever. You know, how do you how do you

1231
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 1: retain and attract top tailent at that level?

1232
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, and so there you will find in a lot

1233
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 6: of organizations. You will find that there are people that

1234
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 6: have been there for a very long time and have

1235
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 6: continued to be promoted to be given more pay in

1236
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 6: terms of balery, and their pay is higher than the

1237
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 6: value they bring to these organizations. And that is what

1238
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 6: That is a real tough one because when you start

1239
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 6: to get into we're paying for longevity and service versus

1240
01:01:56,760 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 6: performance and value, then you will get to that position

1241
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 6: where you have people who are way, way, way higher

1242
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 6: than they should be. And I've been in situations in

1243
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 6: each R where we've had to say, look, here's the situation.

1244
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 6: You can either take on more responsibility or we can

1245
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 6: freeze your pay. We can keep you where you are.

1246
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 6: Show that in the market, data show that they are

1247
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 6: paid very well, in fact overpaid. And just this that

1248
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 6: I have thirty years experience just doesn't fly anymore because

1249
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 6: how much of that experience, as I always say, is

1250
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 6: still relevant and of value. Today institutional knowledge is only

1251
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 6: worth so much.

1252
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 1: There's some Julie BUCKI some demanding and I don't know

1253
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 1: if there's just in other states. Is that like they

1254
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 1: really want to be very transparent about pay. That with

1255
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 1: pay transparency, that the law should be expanded beyond job

1256
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 1: postings to require disclosure of employees' actual pay. And I

1257
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 1: think of that going well, okay, now everyone knows what

1258
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 1: everyone else is making, is completely transparent. I couldn't imagine

1259
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:01,959
Speaker 1: the line at the HR director's door of people coming

1260
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 1: to bitch and moan because someone else is making fifty

1261
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:06,440
Speaker 1: cents more or you know, I mean one of those

1262
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 1: things you're gonna be You're gonna be putting fire without

1263
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 1: all the time. That's all you're gonna do is start

1264
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 1: to Again. You can get too granular in this, and

1265
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 1: I think that the lawmakers are suggesting that are they're insane,

1266
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 1: is what they are.

1267
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 6: No, that's right, because they've been I guess into price

1268
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 6: the issues. Yeah, and there's so many elements that go

1269
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 6: into what someone said, and then you start getting into well,

1270
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 6: you know, I do half a Fred's.

1271
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 3: Job, right right, yeah.

1272
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, no, so that's I think that's that's ridiculous, right.

1273
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:40,919
Speaker 1: I don't think that's going to do much to close

1274
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:43,440
Speaker 1: the alleged pay gap that there as well. But I

1275
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 1: mean a lot of this is incumbent upon the person

1276
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 1: seeking the job. You should know what your value is,

1277
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 1: what the what the dynamic for that position pays, what

1278
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 1: part of the country. And obviously, if you live in

1279
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 1: West Virginia and doing a job and you move to

1280
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 1: midtown Manhattan, you're going to be making a lot more

1281
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: more and vice versa because of the nature where you live.

1282
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 1: All those things have to come into play as well,

1283
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 1: and it's upon you to determine what your value is,

1284
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 1: and then you know whether the what they offer you

1285
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 1: is acceptable. You know, there's always been bait and switches

1286
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 1: where you're not, well, we're not sure with the job,

1287
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 1: and then you know you've put all the time in

1288
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 1: the interview and you find out that well, this doubt's

1289
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 1: paying peanuts and I wasted my time.

1290
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 2: So there's that side of.

1291
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 6: It, Yes, exactly, and that's so important. Why wouldn't you

1292
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 6: give your hiring give a range and then people can

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Speaker 6: decide can I operate in that range or can I not?

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Speaker 6: And then when you are asked employer, you're entering your

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Speaker 6: acts about salary, even if they say what were you

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Speaker 6: making in your last role? My advice is to always

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Speaker 6: talk about what salary you're seeking in this current role,

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Speaker 6: because there are times when people have been in industries

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Speaker 6: that didn't give in, that didn't give a raise for

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Speaker 6: five years, and so they are truly behind market, and

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Speaker 6: so people shouldn't be vitalized for that. And so I

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Speaker 6: always say say something like, based on my market research

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Speaker 6: and other you know, and other search that I've done,

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Speaker 6: it seems that the pay for my level of experience

1305
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 6: is sixty five to seventy five, even if you're sitting

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01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 6: there making fifty eight, because you know, you work for

1307
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 6: a company that pays really low. So it's really about

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01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 6: market value. It's not necessarily just about what you were

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01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 6: making in your last job, because that's what that's what increases.

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Speaker 6: The gap is when you stay down because you are

1311
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 6: constantly you start low and then even the raise isn't

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01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 6: going to get you up to where up to where

1313
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Speaker 6: you want to be, because you're starting with one foot,

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Speaker 6: you know, not one foot behind the line there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, as the case may be, so is your would

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Speaker 1: your advice be to just leave the thing the way

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Speaker 1: it is?

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Speaker 2: Right now?

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Speaker 1: Do we need these portray pay transfer? I mean you

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Speaker 1: kind of have it in the in the public sector

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01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 1: obviously because it's public money. But the private sector feels

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Speaker 1: different to me. And they all adage about you know,

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01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 1: women make less than math. Well, there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: reasons behind that math as well. I mean, the whole

1325
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Speaker 1: idea that you're paying someone less simply because of their

1326
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 1: gender is you know, I'm sure there's still some holdouts,

1327
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:04,919
Speaker 1: some people that believe that, and as they die off,

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01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 1: you know, those those values change. But by and large,

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01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 1: you know, if I ran a company said wow, I

1330
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 1: can pay a woman a third less for doing this job,

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01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 1: I wouldn't hire a guy.

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Speaker 2: I just hire all women.

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Speaker 6: Then they're gonna rise.

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Speaker 2: Well no, I'm just.

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Speaker 1: Saying, yeah, yeah, it's like I pay you based on

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Speaker 1: what you bring to the table, what your experiences are

1337
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 1: and the like.

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Speaker 2: You know, so as it should be.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but pay transparency, that's where it's at in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty, we hit the wrong button. Now, Sorry, I

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Speaker 1: had to cut Julie off because I had to mention

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Speaker 1: this real quick, Julian, My apology. Southbound seventy five right now,

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Speaker 1: between Mitchell and the seventy four split, it is absolutely stopped.

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Speaker 2: There's a jackknife truck.

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Speaker 1: I mean literally, I'm looking an image of a semi

1346
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 1: here and it is completely perpendicular to the highway and

1347
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 1: they've got some three or four toe trucks there right

1348
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 1: now trying to move that thing. So everything is stoped.

1349
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Speaker 1: Southbound seventy five between Mitchell and the sevi four split

1350
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:03,760
Speaker 1: is completely shut down right now. So if you're headed

1351
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 1: that way, you want to avoid that area. Details coming

1352
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 1: up in news that's about six seven minutes away here

1353
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 1: on seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to be an American idiot? Got flown

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01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 2: back on seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 1: One of the big, big problems we have with critical

1357
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 1: mental health in this country, specifically OHIOI and in Kentucky

1358
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 1: is that healthcare is it's really hard to find a

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Speaker 1: bed if you're in a mental health crisis. And Ohio

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Speaker 1: Governor Mike de Wins, matter of fact said that over

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Speaker 1: ninety percent of the state's psychiatric beds now are being

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Speaker 1: occupied by people referred to or demanded by the courts

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01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 1: to have a mental competency test. And the problem with that,

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Speaker 1: obviously then is that if you are someone who is

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01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 1: not involved in criminal activity and forced by a court

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01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 1: to have a psychiatric exam or a psychiatric stay, you

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01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 1: can't find a place to get treatment yourself. And it's,

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Speaker 1: as I said, not new. It's just not unique to Ohio,

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Speaker 1: with happening all over the country. And Steve and I

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01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 1: is here with the Manhattan Institute. They're a think tank

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01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 1: and came out of the new way to maybe approach

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Speaker 1: this subject and fix it. Although it seems like you

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01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 1: guys come up a lot of great ideas, Steven, and

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01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 1: the government is reluctant to take those good ideas and

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01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 1: do anything with them. But you gotta keep trying, Steve,

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Speaker 1: and welcome are you.

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Speaker 8: I'm great, Thanks for having me, Scott.

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Speaker 1: This topic of mental health care in prisons, I think

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Speaker 1: it's pertinent today now more than ever because of what's

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Speaker 1: happening to Rodney Hitt and of course accused of murdering

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01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 1: Deputy Larry Henderson in May after his son was shot

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Speaker 1: legally and lawfully by police officers because of committing a

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01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 1: couple of felonies. And you hear about how now he's

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01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:39,720
Speaker 1: going to be found not guilty reason of insanity. He's

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01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:42,799
Speaker 1: going to face life in prison. And that is the reality.

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Speaker 1: The family has accepted it reluctantly, and I think the

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01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:47,880
Speaker 1: public has reluctantly. But what is likely that someone like

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Speaker 1: that gets the kind of treatment they need.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, we have a very large population of people with

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Speaker 8: serious mental illness, both in jails and in prisons. It's

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Speaker 8: a problem that's been with us with that for a

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Speaker 8: couple decades now. But many people trace that problem back

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Speaker 8: to when the States decided to shut down the state

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Speaker 8: asylum programs and we saw basically a shift from psychiatric

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Speaker 8: institutions to correctional institutions. We hoped that the people would

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Speaker 8: leave the psychiatric institutions find better care and community settings.

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Speaker 8: We now know that didn't happen. So now we're trying

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Speaker 8: to do this kind of humpty dumpy act of pick

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01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 8: up the pieces and figure out what to do both

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Speaker 8: on the correctional front and on the mental health funt.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm going to here, well, you know Reagan

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Speaker 1: and when he was president, closed all the mental health

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Speaker 1: out well. And they actually started back in the nineteen fifties.

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Speaker 1: They started doing this because they thought that was best

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01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 1: practices back in the nineteen fifties.

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Speaker 2: Correct.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, there are many things going on there, but excessive

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Speaker 8: hopes about psychiatric drugs. There's a lot of cost shifting

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Speaker 8: going on too. The states saw in a way that

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Speaker 8: they could shift costs to the federal government. A lot

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Speaker 8: of the costs now actually are born by counties because

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Speaker 8: county are the ones who run jails, and guess where

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Speaker 8: all these mentally is to kill people are confined. And

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Speaker 8: that's why it's really important that we have leadership from

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Speaker 8: the gubernatorial level.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, jails are obviously temporary holding before you go

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01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 1: off to prison or maybe you stay in jail at

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01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 1: the sentences less than a year, and so jails are

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01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:14,960
Speaker 1: instead of the same purpose. But our prisons and we're

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Speaker 1: talking federal prison state prisons versus your county jail. I

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01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:20,519
Speaker 1: can't imagine county jails are well equipped to handle the

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Speaker 1: mentally ill.

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Speaker 8: No, there's a lot of flux, it's a lot of

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01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 8: it's a kind of chaotic place. Prison people are in

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Speaker 8: for longer. But prison is not better than a mental hospital,

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Speaker 8: which I would say would be a better place for

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Speaker 8: a lot of these people. Constitutionally is difficult for just

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01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:39,479
Speaker 8: kind of difficult to transfer someone from a prison to

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Speaker 8: a mental hospital. But if we talk more about like

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Speaker 8: investing upstream in mental hospitals, like it sounds like Governor

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Speaker 8: Dwine is doing, then we would put people like in

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Speaker 8: the right system and the system that would be better

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Speaker 8: for them. That it's a mental health system, not correctional.

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Speaker 1: System, and it can't be a good outcome. I mean,

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Speaker 1: to begin with, I'm sure the rate of people are

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Speaker 1: incarcerated must be disproportional to the share of the general population,

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01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 1: because if you think about your own treated mental health issues,

1438
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:07,719
Speaker 1: not always, but generally that leads to crime some way

1439
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:12,439
Speaker 1: more serious, some self harm, but nonetheless criminal activity.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, serious mention illness. It's about we would say fifty

1441
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 8: five to six percent for the general adult population, but

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01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 8: then around fifteen to twenty percent for the incarcerated population.

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01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:22,760
Speaker 8: So it's a rate like three to four times as

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Speaker 8: high as a general adult population. And everything is worse

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01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:29,640
Speaker 8: for seriously mentally ill people incarcerated, that is, they're victimized

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01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:31,880
Speaker 8: of higher rates. They get put in solitary confinement at

1447
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 8: high rates, then they recitibate as a higher rate, so

1448
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:36,680
Speaker 8: it's all worse when they get kind of caught up

1449
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 8: in that system.

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01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:39,439
Speaker 1: And Steve and I, why do I have a sense

1451
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:41,080
Speaker 1: that is going to cost us, like anything in America

1452
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 1: more money in the long run. Rather than addressing the

1453
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:46,200
Speaker 1: problem early on and fixing with mental health beds, we

1454
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 1: chose to incarcerate and care feed and house the mentally ill,

1455
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 1: and then when we allot them out there probably worse.

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01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 1: And so this costs us more in the long run.

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Speaker 1: I'm guessing.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, there's a lot of physcal buck passing between you know,

1459
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 8: state governments and federal governments and counties and private health systems,

1460
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:04,200
Speaker 8: but it's the CONTs just well enormously. So it's at

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01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 8: a certain point somebody just says, look, this is going

1462
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 8: this is an expensive population. We need invest upfront, upstream,

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01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:14,680
Speaker 8: and that means investing in mental health systems. That's the

1464
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:16,559
Speaker 8: only responsible way to a bridge problem.

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01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 1: Gotcha, Steven, I's here from the Manhattan Institute and Governor

1466
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:22,439
Speaker 1: Mike DeWine commenting that over ninety percent of the state

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01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:25,160
Speaker 1: psychiatric beds are occupied by people who are being sent

1468
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:28,920
Speaker 1: by the courts for a mental competency hold. Kind of

1469
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 1: like what's happening with that kid in Marymont now getting

1470
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:33,639
Speaker 1: a second although I think he's in juvenile custody. I'm

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01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:35,760
Speaker 1: not sure how that works with that, but nonetheless, I

1472
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:37,800
Speaker 1: think you get my point. And now there's no room.

1473
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 1: There is no room literally in state beds for people

1474
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:44,120
Speaker 1: who aren't convicted or aren't facing a serious crime for

1475
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:46,559
Speaker 1: that matter. Too, and we talked about the differently jails

1476
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 1: in prison. You also talk too, Stephen about the funding.

1477
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:53,680
Speaker 1: This stuff is funded on mainlant of county budgets. How

1478
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 1: does it work?

1479
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:59,679
Speaker 8: So Medicaid insurance can't be used to pay for healthcare

1480
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:03,760
Speaker 8: in side correctional institutions. Okay, so it's just has to

1481
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:06,840
Speaker 8: come out of general revenue. Yeah, general state revenues in

1482
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 8: the case of brisons, and general county revenues in the

1483
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:12,639
Speaker 8: case of local jails. And this was never a business

1484
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:16,559
Speaker 8: that counties were in. I mean, I mean providing healthcare

1485
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:19,680
Speaker 8: for people with very serious problems. I mean, especially if

1486
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 8: you're talking about rural counties. You know, most jails are

1487
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:24,519
Speaker 8: pretty small. You know, if you got to jail with

1488
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 8: like fifty two one hundred people, Like, what realistically can

1489
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 8: you do, especially if you're based in the county that

1490
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:33,160
Speaker 8: may not have one psychiatrist for the community in general.

1491
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 8: You know, you're talking about kind of a nurse coming

1492
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 8: by a couple of days a week, dropping off some meds,

1493
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:41,479
Speaker 8: you know, hoping for the best. It's not a fiscally

1494
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:44,040
Speaker 8: a very well arranged system. And that's why, you know,

1495
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 8: to emphasize it's really important that there's leadership at the

1496
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:50,519
Speaker 8: state level. If we're going to fix this, should we.

1497
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 1: Go back to the model that it once was pre

1498
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:56,400
Speaker 1: nineteen fifties, sixty seventies, eighties, and that would be institutionalizing

1499
01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:58,679
Speaker 1: and mass institutional and because you could have a hospital

1500
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:01,639
Speaker 1: only have a hospital for six people, but some are

1501
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 1: I guess retirement communities. We have all over the place

1502
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 1: right for people who are of above a certain age

1503
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:08,680
Speaker 1: that are moving to another stage of life. We have

1504
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 1: all these niches of care depending on what it is

1505
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:13,439
Speaker 1: you need and what you require where you're looking for.

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01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:15,720
Speaker 1: And yet we pretend we don't need that when it

1507
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 1: comes to mental health. Why don't we just you know,

1508
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:20,120
Speaker 1: and not there's an emphasis to do it, but it

1509
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:24,080
Speaker 1: seems like we should be building big facilities for people.

1510
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 2: Who have mental health issues.

1511
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 1: And I'll point out too, since we're talking about Rodney

1512
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:30,920
Speaker 1: Hinton here in this case that he's pleaded not guilty.

1513
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:33,839
Speaker 1: Reason with sanity, they found him incompetent to Stan Toronto's

1514
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:36,080
Speaker 1: charge is probably life in prison. But here's a man

1515
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:39,080
Speaker 1: who's diagnosed with a bipolar disorder and did not take

1516
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:42,639
Speaker 1: his medication as prescribed. If you put someone in group

1517
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:46,080
Speaker 1: housing in a place like this, you can mandate that

1518
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 1: they take their not only they're segregated from side, but

1519
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:50,240
Speaker 1: also you make sure they're on their edge. You can't

1520
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:51,679
Speaker 1: do that when you're out on your own.

1521
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:54,240
Speaker 8: Yeah, a couple of things there. Well, First of all,

1522
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 8: you may don't even need to build new facilities. You

1523
01:14:57,360 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 8: probably still have these state campuses. Then you could increase

1524
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 8: their capacity. Like you said, they're being used for a

1525
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:06,160
Speaker 8: certain purpose, maybe they could be used for other purposes.

1526
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:10,760
Speaker 8: There's also this question of mostly everyone would agree, first

1527
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:12,559
Speaker 8: of all, that the pendulum has slung way too far,

1528
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 8: Like okay, like people were abused back in the nineteen fifties,

1529
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:17,880
Speaker 8: but it's a different world now, and we've just cut

1530
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:19,840
Speaker 8: way too many beds. We need more beds at least

1531
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 8: than we have now, whether we're bringing back the old

1532
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:25,439
Speaker 8: days or not. Secondly, we got to talk about where

1533
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:27,400
Speaker 8: the beds are going to be. So there are private

1534
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:30,559
Speaker 8: health system private hospitals to do some kind of psychiatric care,

1535
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:32,080
Speaker 8: but they really want to do that on kind of

1536
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:35,720
Speaker 8: like a short term basis, stabilize people just enough, like

1537
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:38,120
Speaker 8: get them their meds and then they're out. If you

1538
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:40,120
Speaker 8: want to talk about care that's going to last like

1539
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:42,600
Speaker 8: an intermediate term, a longer term, and that's probably what

1540
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:45,720
Speaker 8: we're talking about. For people very serious chronic problems on

1541
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 8: the state government, those state programs are the most appropriate intervention,

1542
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 8: and so I think that's what we have to be

1543
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:54,120
Speaker 8: moving back towards. There are a lot of people who

1544
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:56,320
Speaker 8: are not ready to it that the Democrats aren't ready

1545
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:59,880
Speaker 8: from a civilivererties perspective. On the Republican side, it's going

1546
01:15:59,920 --> 01:16:01,519
Speaker 8: to because it's going to cost a lot of money.

1547
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:04,439
Speaker 8: Sometimes they're not ready. But you know, in my work,

1548
01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:06,599
Speaker 8: I try to make the case that like, look, as

1549
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:09,160
Speaker 8: you alluded to earlier, this is already costing us top

1550
01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:12,160
Speaker 8: lots of money. Let's figure out what's the most responsible

1551
01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 8: way to spend money, because we're going to be you know,

1552
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:16,559
Speaker 8: it's going to be a big build no matter what.

1553
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:19,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess if you're progressive, you probably look at

1554
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:22,559
Speaker 1: the whole you know, very anti mass incarceration that we

1555
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 1: lead the free world and in prisoners and the like,

1556
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 1: and we've got to end that whole thing.

1557
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:27,599
Speaker 2: That's a big social plan.

1558
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 1: And also the fact that you know, they pursued policy

1559
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:35,800
Speaker 1: that went after policymakers to close jails. On top of that,

1560
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:37,080
Speaker 1: I mean, look what they're doing in New York with

1561
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:40,280
Speaker 1: Rikers Island. Not that that's a you know, that's not

1562
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 1: a carnival. Certainly it's a horrible, horrible place. But you know,

1563
01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:45,479
Speaker 1: closing the prison doesn't make the problem go away, like

1564
01:16:45,479 --> 01:16:47,719
Speaker 1: closing the mental institution doesn't make the problem go away.

1565
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:48,920
Speaker 3: Right.

1566
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:51,600
Speaker 8: That's the parallels are very eerie. Like if you know

1567
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:54,680
Speaker 8: anything about the whole history of shutting down the state asylums,

1568
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 8: the hopes there were and the disappointment that followed, that's

1569
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:01,879
Speaker 8: exactly what's going on with this movement to quote abolished jails.

1570
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 8: And those voices are very influential in some places. There

1571
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:08,280
Speaker 8: are places in America, where you have a local jail

1572
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 8: that was to build decades and decades ago, it's falling apart.

1573
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:14,200
Speaker 8: It needs to be replaced. But because there's this idea

1574
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 8: that no, no, no, no, we don't want to do jails anymore,

1575
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:19,200
Speaker 8: the people who are still being confined to those places

1576
01:17:19,479 --> 01:17:22,880
Speaker 8: are really suffering because you know, responsible policy makers are

1577
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 8: just not letting their voices be heard.

1578
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 1: Well, the people inside suffer, which makes the problem worse,

1579
01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:28,320
Speaker 1: gives them more bag to go.

1580
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:29,760
Speaker 2: See, you see, this is why you gotta close it.

1581
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 1: It's falling apart and it's dangerous, and okay, great, we

1582
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:37,000
Speaker 1: close it like Rikers Island or any other prison that's

1583
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:38,720
Speaker 1: closed to And what do we do. We're not making

1584
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:41,400
Speaker 1: anymore because of the outcry, and so look at the

1585
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:44,640
Speaker 1: rise and you know, assaults and stuff like that. Un

1586
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 1: least here in Cincinnati too.

1587
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:46,040
Speaker 4: Now.

1588
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:49,479
Speaker 1: Granted the overall crime numbers are going down, but still

1589
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 1: we've got to segregate bad people from the rest of society.

1590
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 1: The idea that we will close prisons with that there

1591
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 1: will be no impact on societies foolish, right.

1592
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:01,320
Speaker 8: And you also another thing to have, it's just abandonment.

1593
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:03,439
Speaker 8: I mean, you put people out of the community. And

1594
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:06,400
Speaker 8: what does that means. I mean, nobody is responsible for them, right.

1595
01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:09,360
Speaker 8: You know, they're homeless, they're disconnected from their families, their

1596
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 8: living lives of great instability to get mixed up in drugs.

1597
01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:16,240
Speaker 8: They get victimized. Out in Los Angeles where it was

1598
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 8: last week, you see a lot of that. And that's

1599
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 8: a place in particular of much like Rikers Island. They

1600
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:23,000
Speaker 8: need a nicer jail, they need a new jail. They

1601
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:25,240
Speaker 8: need to fix the jail that's falling apart. But they

1602
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:29,799
Speaker 8: can't bring themselves around to that idea before essentially ideological reasons.

1603
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:31,120
Speaker 8: It's history repeating itself.

1604
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:32,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we close the jails.

1605
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 1: The other side, and this would be those who are

1606
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 1: conservative that you want more punishment, you want tougher restrictions,

1607
01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:39,719
Speaker 1: you want three strikes and you're out, which which can

1608
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 1: and can't be helpful. But both these two things are

1609
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 1: at odds against each other, which is why the system's broken.

1610
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:47,639
Speaker 3: Right.

1611
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:49,439
Speaker 8: But we have a lot of crime going on. I mean,

1612
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:52,480
Speaker 8: crime is not in a good place. We need safer communities.

1613
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 8: I mean, I don't know what to say, Like crime

1614
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 8: is a bad thing. It's bad things to happen to

1615
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 8: a business individual. You know, the trauma. You know, people

1616
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:02,759
Speaker 8: will live a incident for the rest of their lives.

1617
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:06,559
Speaker 8: We need safer communities. We're not where we need to

1618
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 8: be in terms of crime on multiple fronts across the nation,

1619
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 8: and I'm sorry, incarceration is probably going to have to

1620
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:17,400
Speaker 8: be part of that solution. Police certainly are, So what

1621
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:20,160
Speaker 8: do we mean by that. Let's talk about licum or modern,

1622
01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:22,840
Speaker 8: more therapeutic form of incarceration to the extent that that

1623
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:25,719
Speaker 8: is possible or at least provide for better people while

1624
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:27,920
Speaker 8: they have to be locked up. But I think we

1625
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:30,679
Speaker 8: need to just reconcile ourselves to the idea that we're

1626
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 8: going to need jails and we're going to need incarceration

1627
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:35,880
Speaker 8: if we win to face after this crime problem.

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01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:38,160
Speaker 2: Stephen on that too.

1629
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:40,360
Speaker 1: If we could just take the population of the mentally

1630
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:43,240
Speaker 1: ill out of the nation's prisons and county jails and

1631
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:45,599
Speaker 1: alike and institutionalize them to get the treatment that they

1632
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:48,679
Speaker 1: need and maybe up to a degree, the criminally violent.

1633
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 1: I think that there are people out there who are

1634
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:53,320
Speaker 1: sociopaths that yeah, that's a mental health condition, but doesn't

1635
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:55,439
Speaker 1: mean you should not be in prison. You should be

1636
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:57,800
Speaker 1: because you're a danger to yourself and others around you

1637
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 1: for the long term. Maybe there's a distinction there and

1638
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 1: to what puts you into a mental prison, hospital or

1639
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 1: a mental institution versus a prison. But just getting that

1640
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:11,920
Speaker 1: population by and large out of prisons, what does that do.

1641
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:14,240
Speaker 5: Well?

1642
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:16,760
Speaker 8: They Yeah, I mean if you're talking about transferring them to,

1643
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:20,720
Speaker 8: for example, a psychiatric institution, they would still be confined,

1644
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:25,479
Speaker 8: but they would be inside of an agency whose goal

1645
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:29,519
Speaker 8: is mental health treatment. Is the correctional institution's goal mental

1646
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:32,240
Speaker 8: health treatment, Well, not exactly. I mean, if it has

1647
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 8: to be, it has to figure out something, put something

1648
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:37,320
Speaker 8: together maybe, but it would really be better if that

1649
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 8: population were in the care of the mental health system

1650
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:44,479
Speaker 8: for it, like essentially good government reasons. Also on the

1651
01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:47,000
Speaker 8: correctional side of things, like you know, you do have

1652
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:47,599
Speaker 8: people who.

1653
01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:48,040
Speaker 3: Are just bad.

1654
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:50,600
Speaker 8: They're not mad. You know that they prey on the

1655
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:54,920
Speaker 8: mentally ill. They're a tough enough nut to crack, and

1656
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:56,960
Speaker 8: so on the correctional side of things, it would be

1657
01:20:56,960 --> 01:20:59,800
Speaker 8: easier if they could just focus on them. Needs to

1658
01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:01,880
Speaker 8: be let's get all mixed up. I mean, people, you

1659
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 8: make a lot about the idea that well, they're just sick.

1660
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:06,320
Speaker 8: They just need to be out and given healthcare, out

1661
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:09,479
Speaker 8: into society, and that's how we'll stabilize them. That creates

1662
01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 8: a lot of confusion as to what type of population

1663
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:14,519
Speaker 8: you're dealing with, because in some cases, these really are

1664
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:17,360
Speaker 8: dangerous people. As you say, yes they have a secret

1665
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:20,840
Speaker 8: serious psychiatric illness, they're also dangerous. So they're going to

1666
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:24,320
Speaker 8: have to be confined. That means a different type of

1667
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 8: custodial institution, right, but a certain type of custodial institution,

1668
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:31,759
Speaker 8: one with a more psychiatric outlook that's a better suited

1669
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 8: to their needs.

1670
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 1: Well, for example, in our newsroom here at seven hundred

1671
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:38,960
Speaker 1: w LW. Steven, we have multiple scanners and play scanners fire,

1672
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:41,080
Speaker 1: and you hear all the time that somebody's not they're

1673
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:44,240
Speaker 1: off their medication. You know, you can't trust someone who's

1674
01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:47,320
Speaker 1: mental ill to continue to take their medication. That is

1675
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:49,800
Speaker 1: something that has to be administered to them. And when

1676
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 1: you're out and left to your own devices, it's a

1677
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:53,719
Speaker 1: lethal it can be a lethal combination.

1678
01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:56,200
Speaker 2: And that's happened a lot real quick.

1679
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 4: Here.

1680
01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:57,640
Speaker 2: What how do we fix this?

1681
01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:03,280
Speaker 8: Well, so, first of all, look invest more in upstream solutions.

1682
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:06,680
Speaker 8: We need to reckon. Republicans need to reconcile themselves the

1683
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:09,479
Speaker 8: idea that we probably need to spend more through for example,

1684
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:13,040
Speaker 8: the Medicaid program. It's a very expensive budget busting program,

1685
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:14,920
Speaker 8: but that is going to need to be part of

1686
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:19,560
Speaker 8: the solution. More money spent on these upstream psychiatric solutions.

1687
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:23,360
Speaker 8: And on the inside, you need more involved in my

1688
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:26,400
Speaker 8: state government in the jail based systems. The jail based

1689
01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:29,080
Speaker 8: systems don't have the resources, they sometimes don't even have

1690
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:32,800
Speaker 8: the know how the personnel to serve this population. You

1691
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:34,719
Speaker 8: are in the near term going to still have people

1692
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:38,280
Speaker 8: with serious psychiatric illnesses can find the jails in prisons,

1693
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:40,040
Speaker 8: So we need to face up to that and make

1694
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:42,000
Speaker 8: sure that we have the resources and personnel in this

1695
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:44,880
Speaker 8: place is to stabilize them and make what's going to be,

1696
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:47,200
Speaker 8: you know, a challenging situation at least a little bit

1697
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:49,800
Speaker 8: more manageable and a little bit more enlightened than the

1698
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:51,599
Speaker 8: situation we've got.

1699
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:51,840
Speaker 3: Now.

1700
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:54,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think that's that's probably true.

1701
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:57,000
Speaker 1: But you know why these political analyies battling over their

1702
01:22:57,000 --> 01:22:59,680
Speaker 1: turf and planning their flag, and of course we have

1703
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:02,519
Speaker 1: governs that don't have enough resources and are fighting over

1704
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:04,760
Speaker 1: for O Repenny and so that's why we can't get

1705
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:06,800
Speaker 1: the needle to move, and the end result as we

1706
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:10,320
Speaker 1: all suffer as a society, in individuals and families as well.

1707
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:14,320
Speaker 1: It's sad, but hopefully at some point we'll have clear

1708
01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:17,560
Speaker 1: heads that wind up being our overlords. That solved this problem.

1709
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:19,800
Speaker 1: Steve and I thanks so much for joining the show.

1710
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:21,880
Speaker 1: From the Manhattan Institute. You can read more there all

1711
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 1: the best.

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01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:24,519
Speaker 8: I really enjoyed it. Thanks for having me, Stuf Care.

1713
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is an absolve Rodney hitting from doing what

1714
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:30,200
Speaker 1: he did. But you know, you go back and look

1715
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:33,000
Speaker 1: kind of like the cameras at the park, right, we

1716
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:34,599
Speaker 1: had a kid killed two and a half years ago

1717
01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 1: and the camera's supposed to go up, but didn't.

1718
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:37,280
Speaker 2: We got another eleven year old dead.

1719
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:39,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if this would have stopped the murder

1720
01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:42,439
Speaker 1: of Larry Henderson and other scourge is a society and

1721
01:23:42,439 --> 01:23:44,479
Speaker 1: the like. But you know, if you're refusing to take

1722
01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:48,400
Speaker 1: your medication and a serious mental health issue like bipolar,

1723
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:51,599
Speaker 1: schizophrene or anything of that, a handful of them, then

1724
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:53,920
Speaker 1: there should be some institutionalization going on, but we don't

1725
01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:56,639
Speaker 1: have the facilities to do that. We've got a news

1726
01:23:56,680 --> 01:23:59,280
Speaker 1: update in about four minutes. It's a Scott Sloan show

1727
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:22,400
Speaker 1: seven High Wild. There we go, New Year's resolution, more snorts.

1728
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:25,160
Speaker 2: Sarah Relasi's here from the Kid Chris Show one on

1729
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 2: two seven e v M.

1730
01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:29,440
Speaker 1: Of the social media perspective on everything sport and Cincinnati.

1731
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:32,960
Speaker 2: There is some of the new year with the snorts report.

1732
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 9: Yes, there are so many things trending with Cincinnati sports

1733
01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:37,599
Speaker 9: right now.

1734
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:40,040
Speaker 7: Not really snort worthy, though.

1735
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 1: Is anything good? Gimme let's let this because it's a

1736
01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:47,320
Speaker 1: new year. What do you give me something positive from

1737
01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:51,480
Speaker 1: Cincinnati sports? There's no positive? What's positive? The Reds are

1738
01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:54,200
Speaker 1: gonna be terrible. We got Reds fast haupping up. The

1739
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:57,360
Speaker 1: Bengals are terrible. They're tearing the state. They're remodeling the stadium.

1740
01:24:57,360 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 1: They need to remodel their front office. We've got the Cats.

1741
01:25:00,479 --> 01:25:02,759
Speaker 1: Can't win Xavier? What what give me a post?

1742
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:02,920
Speaker 4: Wait?

1743
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:05,439
Speaker 9: Why are we putting so much money into the Duke Energy?

1744
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:09,160
Speaker 9: What is it called now? The Cincinnati Convention Someday Energy Center?

1745
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:11,000
Speaker 7: Don't that's not what the article said.

1746
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:13,639
Speaker 2: Sure, I'm just gonna call it that forever, okay, because

1747
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 2: its energy? So the Riverfront stadium.

1748
01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:21,599
Speaker 7: But I'm like, shouldn't we put more money into our defense.

1749
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:23,320
Speaker 2: Again?

1750
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:27,920
Speaker 7: We're gonna start with the positive though, real quick.

1751
01:25:28,360 --> 01:25:34,080
Speaker 9: Miami University's men's basketball team is sixteen O baby. Here

1752
01:25:34,120 --> 01:25:37,240
Speaker 9: we go, Sarah, And by the way, happy New Year.

1753
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:38,720
Speaker 9: I've not seen you since last year.

1754
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:40,160
Speaker 2: Hold on, hold that thought a second.

1755
01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:42,960
Speaker 1: So we've been doing this segment for a few years now,

1756
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:46,920
Speaker 1: and I believe this is the first time she's mentioned Miami.

1757
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:49,160
Speaker 2: University basketball because it's that bad.

1758
01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:51,439
Speaker 1: We've got to go to Oxford to go, well, there's

1759
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:53,400
Speaker 1: something we can hang our hat on all the way.

1760
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:56,320
Speaker 9: In cozy Oxford, my alma mater. You'll be checking out

1761
01:25:56,320 --> 01:25:58,000
Speaker 9: a game there on the thirty first.

1762
01:25:58,680 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 2: Are you going to go watch the bear Cats?

1763
01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:02,479
Speaker 9: We're definitely not going to go do that. And here

1764
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:05,760
Speaker 9: Wes Miller have another meltdown on our airwaves. I guess

1765
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:08,360
Speaker 9: that's what was trending on social media when I woke

1766
01:26:08,439 --> 01:26:10,320
Speaker 9: up this morning, going off on Dan Ward.

1767
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:13,360
Speaker 1: I like, of all the people hiding off on Dan,

1768
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:15,599
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was going off on him.

1769
01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:19,680
Speaker 9: There's a little sketchy. I don't like the tone that

1770
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:21,640
Speaker 9: he took with Dan. I'm like, you'd be nice to

1771
01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 9: our guy.

1772
01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:24,160
Speaker 1: Well, it's also the problem I have with coaches in

1773
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:27,519
Speaker 1: general is you know, the sportsman asking me these questions

1774
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 1: and they got you know, they got to get all

1775
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:31,160
Speaker 1: hard ass and like it's us against the world. Yeah,

1776
01:26:31,160 --> 01:26:31,840
Speaker 1: because you suck.

1777
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:33,600
Speaker 7: It's like, don't be darky and say that.

1778
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:36,880
Speaker 9: I don't like that the whole us against the world,

1779
01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:38,760
Speaker 9: the world.

1780
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:40,000
Speaker 2: Then why am I buying your tickets?

1781
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:42,439
Speaker 1: He just jeans to me, why am I beying your

1782
01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:46,080
Speaker 1: merch Right, He's like, no, leading into your fan base,

1783
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:47,120
Speaker 1: don't alienate them.

1784
01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:49,799
Speaker 9: But as you know, it doesn't matter who the coaches

1785
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:51,920
Speaker 9: are in Cincinnati, we are going to hang on to them.

1786
01:26:52,240 --> 01:26:53,720
Speaker 2: The coaches show is the dumbest thing.

1787
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:55,600
Speaker 7: It doesn't matter what the record is.

1788
01:26:55,720 --> 01:26:58,760
Speaker 9: I guess in Baltimore it matters because they let go

1789
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:03,080
Speaker 9: of their night to that guy.

1790
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:05,000
Speaker 2: Tom is going to be the greatest.

1791
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:07,879
Speaker 9: Meanwhile, we've got everybody in the AFC North cutting coaches

1792
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:08,839
Speaker 9: except in Sincenata.

1793
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:11,000
Speaker 7: What about you stay another year.

1794
01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 2: You've got to get one more time.

1795
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:15,559
Speaker 1: Duke Tobin's been here since the Truman administration, before football

1796
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:16,280
Speaker 1: was even the thing.

1797
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:19,760
Speaker 9: So speaking of our guy, Duke Tobin, he is going

1798
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:23,040
Speaker 9: to be holding a press conference this Friday, A rare

1799
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:25,880
Speaker 9: press conference. Oh my god, Friday at one o'clock. I

1800
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:28,640
Speaker 9: will be sad. Here's my take on it. Let the

1801
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:31,800
Speaker 9: fans at it for about thirty minutes, go on Facebook

1802
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:33,760
Speaker 9: Live and answer questions.

1803
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:36,519
Speaker 2: Doing it? Going to write it to an Ama asked

1804
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:36,960
Speaker 2: me anything.

1805
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:40,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't want the Bengals media in there. I

1806
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:42,800
Speaker 7: don't want this. I don't want this interview to be weak.

1807
01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:45,759
Speaker 9: I need the real fans that are in the stands,

1808
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:49,360
Speaker 9: that have had season tickets for twenty plus years to

1809
01:27:49,439 --> 01:27:51,920
Speaker 9: ask Duke whatever they need to get at their checks.

1810
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:55,960
Speaker 1: God, the questions are going to be you know, so

1811
01:27:56,479 --> 01:28:01,120
Speaker 1: don't built Dennison seven hundred ww So, I mean, you know,

1812
01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:04,160
Speaker 1: you could talk about you know, talk about some of

1813
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:05,800
Speaker 1: the good what what you know?

1814
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:07,040
Speaker 2: What about the draft?

1815
01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:08,839
Speaker 7: Nobody wants to lose their crew.

1816
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:11,680
Speaker 2: But I want yeah, very so bad. Yeah, because they

1817
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:12,360
Speaker 2: well they'll pull there.

1818
01:28:12,439 --> 01:28:14,360
Speaker 1: That's so weak as like, well, you asked a tough question,

1819
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:15,519
Speaker 1: you'll have your credential pulled.

1820
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:18,040
Speaker 9: So I went on to social media and I said, hey,

1821
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:20,439
Speaker 9: if you dude, you got to read the responses. Take

1822
01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:23,040
Speaker 9: fifteen to twenty minutes out of your day because that's

1823
01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:25,680
Speaker 9: how many responses are on this post. Go check out

1824
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:28,519
Speaker 9: my post and read all of the comments from people

1825
01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:30,519
Speaker 9: because I asked him iselif if you could ask Duke

1826
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:32,880
Speaker 9: Tobin one thing at this press or on Friday, what

1827
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:35,360
Speaker 9: would you ask? A lot of these are not really

1828
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:39,479
Speaker 9: appropriate for the airwaves. No, just take some time away

1829
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:42,200
Speaker 9: from work today and go check out the response. But

1830
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:45,240
Speaker 9: a lot of people asking Duke are wanting to ask Duke, hey,

1831
01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:46,720
Speaker 9: what are you going to do when the stadium is

1832
01:28:46,760 --> 01:28:47,920
Speaker 9: empty this upcoming season?

1833
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:49,040
Speaker 7: Because everyone's so mad?

1834
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:51,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, our season ticket holders.

1835
01:28:53,479 --> 01:28:55,160
Speaker 1: This is like, this is like some big event, like

1836
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:57,280
Speaker 1: Duke Tobin is going to be here from ten to

1837
01:28:57,479 --> 01:29:00,320
Speaker 1: ten to ten fifteen. Answering the tough question from the

1838
01:29:00,360 --> 01:29:03,639
Speaker 1: Cincinnati medias like, you know, we just look at Tennessee, right.

1839
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:07,000
Speaker 1: Their ownership put this whole plan together to the state,

1840
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:09,920
Speaker 1: to the fans and saying here's what the plan is.

1841
01:29:10,120 --> 01:29:12,280
Speaker 1: This is what we're doing. The statement we got from

1842
01:29:12,280 --> 01:29:15,080
Speaker 1: Mike Brown was what we're keeping. We're giving to the coach.

1843
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:17,599
Speaker 7: And general statement that you could ever.

1844
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:21,680
Speaker 1: We trust these guys men, We trust them. You got

1845
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:23,799
Speaker 1: to the super Bowl once in twenty eight years.

1846
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:25,719
Speaker 7: And we need to stop talking about that Super Bowl

1847
01:29:25,880 --> 01:29:27,320
Speaker 7: enough that was light.

1848
01:29:27,240 --> 01:29:29,880
Speaker 2: Years ago, which also looking like that was an outlier.

1849
01:29:30,040 --> 01:29:30,880
Speaker 2: Like literally, I.

1850
01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:33,720
Speaker 7: Can talk about the big red machine from fifty years ago.

1851
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:36,360
Speaker 1: Right, there's no dynasty there is, Like it feels like

1852
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:39,360
Speaker 1: at this point now you stumbled into that is what

1853
01:29:39,400 --> 01:29:39,880
Speaker 1: it looks like.

1854
01:29:40,120 --> 01:29:44,280
Speaker 9: Dunt dunk dum and Joe Burrow being very careful with

1855
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:47,280
Speaker 9: his words and that final press conference after the game

1856
01:29:47,320 --> 01:29:50,160
Speaker 9: on Sunday when they asked him about you know, what

1857
01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:53,559
Speaker 9: do you think is needed in the off season, Like

1858
01:29:53,640 --> 01:29:55,360
Speaker 9: what are the changes you want to see?

1859
01:29:55,880 --> 01:29:57,760
Speaker 7: Joe is a great leader. He's not going to throw

1860
01:29:57,760 --> 01:29:58,719
Speaker 7: anyone under the bus.

1861
01:29:58,720 --> 01:29:59,280
Speaker 2: Oh he's not.

1862
01:30:00,760 --> 01:30:02,639
Speaker 9: Anyway, they got the tenth pick. We'll see what they

1863
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:04,960
Speaker 9: do because we know that they're so good at drafting.

1864
01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:07,920
Speaker 9: It's just like a vicious circle around here.

1865
01:30:08,240 --> 01:30:09,840
Speaker 2: What if they don't make the playoffs next year?

1866
01:30:10,400 --> 01:30:12,480
Speaker 7: Four years in a row. We got problems.

1867
01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:14,840
Speaker 1: That's fine to get you know what we are We

1868
01:30:15,080 --> 01:30:16,280
Speaker 1: need a little more time.

1869
01:30:16,600 --> 01:30:19,040
Speaker 7: Well, just extend Zach for another couple of years.

1870
01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:21,679
Speaker 1: Right now, they're renovating pay court. They need to renovate

1871
01:30:21,680 --> 01:30:23,240
Speaker 1: the front office is what they need to do.

1872
01:30:23,920 --> 01:30:26,679
Speaker 9: Take that money from the convention center whatever you're doing,

1873
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:27,880
Speaker 9: the money and just.

1874
01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:28,320
Speaker 2: Fix it down.

1875
01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:29,200
Speaker 7: You got fixed.

1876
01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:31,240
Speaker 2: The Brown family has enough money. We're good.

1877
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:33,679
Speaker 7: He's a what is it, He's one of the top

1878
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:36,080
Speaker 7: five riches people. It's in the track.

1879
01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:38,000
Speaker 2: We need to give them more money. Yeah, no, you don't.

1880
01:30:38,040 --> 01:30:39,519
Speaker 1: You need to get your head out of your ass

1881
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:42,400
Speaker 1: and do something you haven't done in a few years.

1882
01:30:42,439 --> 01:30:45,120
Speaker 1: It's like when you went lean into free agency. That

1883
01:30:45,200 --> 01:30:47,439
Speaker 1: worked out for you and then we got away from that.

1884
01:30:47,479 --> 01:30:50,080
Speaker 1: Why well, we got more problems.

1885
01:30:51,320 --> 01:30:54,080
Speaker 9: We got, we got, we got. I understand that as

1886
01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:56,480
Speaker 9: you should be. All Bengals fans should be very frustrated

1887
01:30:56,560 --> 01:30:58,439
Speaker 9: with what's going on. You should hate that they ended

1888
01:30:58,479 --> 01:31:01,120
Speaker 9: the season at six and eleven, the season losing to

1889
01:31:01,160 --> 01:31:01,679
Speaker 9: the Browns.

1890
01:31:01,680 --> 01:31:06,080
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, man, but they're not helping themselves

1891
01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:08,080
Speaker 1: when the perception is they don't care about the fans,

1892
01:31:08,360 --> 01:31:09,320
Speaker 1: and did they do.

1893
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:10,960
Speaker 7: This look at the snowy seats.

1894
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:13,400
Speaker 2: We don't care about the fans.

1895
01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:16,360
Speaker 7: We care about the fans, and apparently over the weekend.

1896
01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:18,360
Speaker 2: Or we do in the stadium, isn't that good? Well yeah,

1897
01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:19,320
Speaker 2: but we're paying for that.

1898
01:31:20,160 --> 01:31:20,599
Speaker 7: Correct.

1899
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:23,719
Speaker 9: Somebody told me over the weekend, someone that has club

1900
01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:28,800
Speaker 9: seats that the club level area, the ac was or

1901
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:31,080
Speaker 9: the heat was out, so it was very cold in there.

1902
01:31:31,160 --> 01:31:32,879
Speaker 7: Yeah, so that wasn't fit exactly.

1903
01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:36,400
Speaker 9: We got more problems though, Cam Taylor Britt doing some

1904
01:31:36,439 --> 01:31:40,600
Speaker 9: time in jail and straight to the off season to

1905
01:31:40,640 --> 01:31:42,800
Speaker 9: the Hamilton County jail.

1906
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:46,280
Speaker 7: I guess reckless driving, running some stop lights.

1907
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:48,040
Speaker 1: In this time, having like two thousand miles an hour

1908
01:31:48,120 --> 01:31:49,120
Speaker 1: up and down Vine Street.

1909
01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:50,360
Speaker 2: What are you doing?

1910
01:31:50,680 --> 01:31:53,479
Speaker 9: Chelsea's sick over at Local twelve has all of the details.

1911
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:56,839
Speaker 9: She was the one media person in that room yesterday

1912
01:31:56,840 --> 01:31:58,400
Speaker 9: when Cam Taylor Britt was at the home.

1913
01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:02,479
Speaker 1: She brings that same attitude to the Duke Tobin thing, Yeah,

1914
01:32:02,479 --> 01:32:05,000
Speaker 1: can we get Chelsea sick to the press or on Friday.

1915
01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:06,040
Speaker 7: She's all over it.

1916
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:08,880
Speaker 9: But yeah, these charges go all the way back to June,

1917
01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:12,080
Speaker 9: and then he was cited again in September not having

1918
01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:13,240
Speaker 9: a valid license.

1919
01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:14,560
Speaker 7: I mean, it's crazy.

1920
01:32:14,760 --> 01:32:15,320
Speaker 4: What do you doing?

1921
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:16,360
Speaker 2: Go through your mind?

1922
01:32:16,360 --> 01:32:18,800
Speaker 7: It's like you can't celebrate, you should have your stuff

1923
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:18,880
Speaker 7: to go.

1924
01:32:19,400 --> 01:32:21,759
Speaker 2: But it's also like I don't need to get a license.

1925
01:32:21,800 --> 01:32:23,519
Speaker 2: What what the hell you think? What are you doing?

1926
01:32:23,680 --> 01:32:26,639
Speaker 9: Why are you running red lights? Fans are out and about.

1927
01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:28,800
Speaker 9: This was right after a game. I don't understand his

1928
01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:31,960
Speaker 9: whole purpose behind this, but yeah, so his mugshot is

1929
01:32:31,960 --> 01:32:34,320
Speaker 9: trending all over social media today.

1930
01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:38,480
Speaker 1: So apparently getting a driver's lives not only the only responsibility.

1931
01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:39,040
Speaker 2: Shirk so.

1932
01:32:40,680 --> 01:32:43,479
Speaker 9: Not the best examples for our young kiddos that look

1933
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:44,880
Speaker 9: up to the Bengals players here.

1934
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:47,080
Speaker 2: He's not gonna be back anyway.

1935
01:32:47,200 --> 01:32:49,720
Speaker 7: I don't think so. I think I'm done with CTB. Yeah,

1936
01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:50,479
Speaker 7: I've seen enough.

1937
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:52,519
Speaker 2: I've seen enough. We don't want to say anymore. There's

1938
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:54,280
Speaker 2: like three guys I keep on. I think that's it.

1939
01:32:54,439 --> 01:32:57,000
Speaker 7: Please bring back Dalton Reisner. That's something that's trending on

1940
01:32:57,040 --> 01:32:59,479
Speaker 7: social media. Dalton really wants to stick at the angles.

1941
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:01,679
Speaker 7: I would like to see that happened for him as well.

1942
01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:05,080
Speaker 7: So Joe Burrow on social media, this is trending. He

1943
01:33:05,200 --> 01:33:07,080
Speaker 7: posted on Instagram.

1944
01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:10,559
Speaker 9: Yesterday a big carousel of photos, some being throughout the season,

1945
01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:14,400
Speaker 9: him being injured, and then his Joker costume from Halloween,

1946
01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:19,600
Speaker 9: and he captioned it twenty twenty five was dot adversity?

1947
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:21,960
Speaker 7: Yes it was, Yes it was.

1948
01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:25,160
Speaker 9: So go check out Joe's posts and all the comments

1949
01:33:25,200 --> 01:33:27,640
Speaker 9: they do not disappoint Bengals fans are so funny. A

1950
01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:29,559
Speaker 9: lot of girls asking him to marry them, you know,

1951
01:33:30,200 --> 01:33:33,559
Speaker 9: the same old salele God. It's like, why are we

1952
01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:38,719
Speaker 9: taking advantage of Emo Joe? Like Jo, Well, he doesn't

1953
01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:42,479
Speaker 9: want you, Okay, he doesn't watch six and eleven. All

1954
01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:47,040
Speaker 9: this man cares about is football. Okay, that brain, fashion

1955
01:33:47,560 --> 01:33:50,040
Speaker 9: and fossils. I guess that's what he gifted his O

1956
01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:51,640
Speaker 9: line this year for Christmas.

1957
01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:54,880
Speaker 7: Fossils. Last year was the samuraized Swords. Yeah, now they

1958
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:55,479
Speaker 7: got rocks.

1959
01:33:55,720 --> 01:33:57,120
Speaker 2: I think Bengals have enough fossils.

1960
01:33:57,280 --> 01:34:02,320
Speaker 7: We got to and that's the problem. Like we got.

1961
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:06,200
Speaker 2: Ladies are great, Joe, marry me, marry me.

1962
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:08,439
Speaker 7: Here's some rocks.

1963
01:34:08,920 --> 01:34:13,160
Speaker 9: Mean, while Pat Mahomes is like based on personalized rolex.

1964
01:34:12,880 --> 01:34:13,840
Speaker 2: Was you marry Joe?

1965
01:34:14,240 --> 01:34:15,920
Speaker 1: Based on some of the stuff he wears for his

1966
01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:18,760
Speaker 1: pregame fit, you could double your wardrobe, ladies.

1967
01:34:19,080 --> 01:34:20,200
Speaker 7: I'll wear the sweatsuits.

1968
01:34:20,240 --> 01:34:22,559
Speaker 9: Those are some nice sweatsuits, T shirt and shirts I

1969
01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:24,679
Speaker 9: you did cozy in the would.

1970
01:34:24,479 --> 01:34:26,000
Speaker 2: Come in and it's just like they look like I

1971
01:34:26,040 --> 01:34:26,439
Speaker 2: don't care.

1972
01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 7: They really did not care. This year.

1973
01:34:28,280 --> 01:34:31,519
Speaker 9: I wasn't blown away with the fashion by you can't

1974
01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:33,000
Speaker 9: be flashy when you're six and a line.

1975
01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:34,719
Speaker 2: Focus on that nonsense.

1976
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:37,360
Speaker 7: Wear the suits when you go undefeated, when you can

1977
01:34:37,400 --> 01:34:38,680
Speaker 7: win a few games in a row.

1978
01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:40,560
Speaker 2: Okay, will you walk with a little swagger now, with

1979
01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:41,799
Speaker 2: your tail the two of your legs.

1980
01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:43,120
Speaker 7: Let's move on.

1981
01:34:43,479 --> 01:34:45,080
Speaker 1: I think I'll to wear work shirts with their name

1982
01:34:45,120 --> 01:34:46,519
Speaker 1: out like they were in a garage, you know, And

1983
01:34:46,560 --> 01:34:49,799
Speaker 1: it's just just as Joe or like bowling shirts something.

1984
01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:52,000
Speaker 1: It looks like I'm going to work.

1985
01:34:52,720 --> 01:34:55,280
Speaker 9: We're going to move on to ruds because we are

1986
01:34:55,360 --> 01:35:00,800
Speaker 9: less than eighty days away until opening down what until

1987
01:35:00,840 --> 01:35:03,200
Speaker 9: all the fun starts up again? Okay, I don't know,

1988
01:35:03,400 --> 01:35:10,080
Speaker 9: get excited about Sunshine, about Sunshine, Tito warm Weather, Ellie Day,

1989
01:35:10,120 --> 01:35:13,200
Speaker 9: La Cruz not coming to Reds Fest. They released all

1990
01:35:13,240 --> 01:35:14,679
Speaker 9: the names of the people that are going to be there.

1991
01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:16,680
Speaker 9: He's not on that list, and I would like to

1992
01:35:16,720 --> 01:35:19,719
Speaker 9: know why. I don't know why either, And what's he doing?

1993
01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:21,120
Speaker 9: Why can't he be there?

1994
01:35:21,200 --> 01:35:22,439
Speaker 2: Winter ball? I don't know what.

1995
01:35:22,840 --> 01:35:24,960
Speaker 9: I have seen him playing some ball out in Arizona,

1996
01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:26,760
Speaker 9: but it's like, hello, get on a plane, you can

1997
01:35:26,760 --> 01:35:29,840
Speaker 9: make it in three hours. I think everybody should have

1998
01:35:29,880 --> 01:35:34,280
Speaker 9: to be there. I think it's a volunteered thing. Guess

1999
01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:39,960
Speaker 9: what Allie said, no pay right, minimum wage, minimum effort,

2000
01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:42,920
Speaker 9: SAT just raised minimum.

2001
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:45,559
Speaker 2: The players are coming though, Yeah, we'll.

2002
01:35:45,400 --> 01:35:47,880
Speaker 9: See a lot of those guys, broadcasters things like that.

2003
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:51,879
Speaker 9: So it all starts Friday night and then all day Saturday.

2004
01:35:51,960 --> 01:35:55,920
Speaker 9: Saturday is also the Reds Poker Tournament benefiting the Reds

2005
01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:59,080
Speaker 9: Community Fund. I will be playing in that thing, and

2006
01:35:59,120 --> 01:36:02,080
Speaker 9: I'm very excited about it. I'm sorry if I'm at

2007
01:36:02,120 --> 01:36:04,599
Speaker 9: your table, like, imagine being so excited that you're gonna

2008
01:36:04,600 --> 01:36:06,280
Speaker 9: have like a Reds player at your table and it's

2009
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:07,000
Speaker 9: right me.

2010
01:36:07,439 --> 01:36:10,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't do that. You know you should.

2011
01:36:10,479 --> 01:36:12,680
Speaker 1: You should just say wait, why don't we just why

2012
01:36:12,680 --> 01:36:14,479
Speaker 1: don't we just start them and say changing the format

2013
01:36:14,479 --> 01:36:15,679
Speaker 1: there it's going to be strip poker.

2014
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:20,559
Speaker 7: Oh stop, nobody wants to see that. Come on, let's

2015
01:36:20,640 --> 01:36:24,719
Speaker 7: keep it. But can you imagine these.

2016
01:36:25,160 --> 01:36:27,559
Speaker 2: Former former Reds players taking our shirts off.

2017
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:31,400
Speaker 9: I feel bad for the people that have to get

2018
01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:34,000
Speaker 9: me at their table, Like, I'm sorry to disappoint. I

2019
01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:36,720
Speaker 9: know you spent like two hundred dollars to play in

2020
01:36:36,760 --> 01:36:40,240
Speaker 9: this journey and you're hoping that like a legit celebrity

2021
01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:41,520
Speaker 9: is at your table.

2022
01:36:41,400 --> 01:36:42,439
Speaker 2: For Red Strip Poker.

2023
01:36:43,120 --> 01:36:45,280
Speaker 7: That's a whole nother website that that has nothing to

2024
01:36:45,320 --> 01:36:45,720
Speaker 7: do with me.

2025
01:36:45,960 --> 01:36:47,439
Speaker 2: See Sarah's only fans anyway.

2026
01:36:48,200 --> 01:36:50,839
Speaker 7: Anyways, that's what's trending on social media.

2027
01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:53,840
Speaker 1: You're also cringing, So you know I'm going to talk

2028
01:36:53,880 --> 01:36:56,639
Speaker 1: more about Please don't Red strip poker.

2029
01:36:56,760 --> 01:36:58,880
Speaker 9: Please don't, because I'm thinking about the dudes in that

2030
01:36:59,000 --> 01:36:59,759
Speaker 9: room and no.

2031
01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:05,880
Speaker 2: Gapper Wado Gapper takes us know what this something that.

2032
01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:07,559
Speaker 9: I want to find out in twenty twenty six? What

2033
01:37:07,720 --> 01:37:11,280
Speaker 9: exactly is Gapper? Is he a bear? Is he a bird?

2034
01:37:11,400 --> 01:37:12,160
Speaker 9: Is he a combo?

2035
01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:13,679
Speaker 2: Like a Philly fanatic?

2036
01:37:13,720 --> 01:37:17,720
Speaker 9: It's like it's it's really weird Jilly fanatic at the

2037
01:37:17,720 --> 01:37:18,880
Speaker 9: Bristol Speedway thing.

2038
01:37:19,080 --> 01:37:21,759
Speaker 7: And he's odd, a little creepy, is a little creepy,

2039
01:37:21,760 --> 01:37:22,080
Speaker 7: all right.

2040
01:37:22,520 --> 01:37:25,799
Speaker 9: Apparently the dude that plays him as creepy, So explain

2041
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:27,400
Speaker 9: some things.

2042
01:37:27,600 --> 01:37:29,400
Speaker 7: Hey, I used to be the Easter Bunny at Trike

2043
01:37:29,439 --> 01:37:31,240
Speaker 7: County Mall. I understand it. You gotta have a little

2044
01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:34,880
Speaker 7: creep about creep Yeah, exactly. You gotta be a little weird.

2045
01:37:34,640 --> 01:37:34,960
Speaker 3: All right.

2046
01:37:35,080 --> 01:37:36,720
Speaker 7: So there's not that respect.

2047
01:37:36,760 --> 01:37:37,200
Speaker 2: Bengals.

2048
01:37:37,320 --> 01:37:41,200
Speaker 9: We got the Reds and we have Miami university killing

2049
01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:44,280
Speaker 9: it with basketball and the EHL strike is over.

2050
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:45,880
Speaker 2: So last like three days.

2051
01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:48,320
Speaker 9: It was three days, and I guess they'll eventually make

2052
01:37:48,400 --> 01:37:50,880
Speaker 9: up those games. Not sure when those makeup games will

2053
01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:52,960
Speaker 9: be announced. But glad that cycling hockey is bad.

2054
01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:56,240
Speaker 1: Well I tell you watching it's that there's a chant

2055
01:37:56,280 --> 01:37:58,080
Speaker 1: and it had that going on for a period of

2056
01:37:58,160 --> 01:37:58,960
Speaker 1: time a few weeks.

2057
01:37:59,000 --> 01:38:01,800
Speaker 9: That might have been the end of the Yeah, so

2058
01:38:02,520 --> 01:38:04,680
Speaker 9: glad that those guys are going to get exactly what

2059
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:05,880
Speaker 9: they were striking about.

2060
01:38:07,320 --> 01:38:11,240
Speaker 7: Treatment. Yay, Miami, let's go red hooks baby sixteen to no.

2061
01:38:11,680 --> 01:38:12,240
Speaker 2: You know it's bad.

2062
01:38:12,280 --> 01:38:16,320
Speaker 1: When we got to go to Oxford for sports, nobody

2063
01:38:16,360 --> 01:38:18,600
Speaker 1: cares about Miami until they did. They're good, right, It's like,

2064
01:38:18,680 --> 01:38:21,920
Speaker 1: you know, I've always cared XU. It's like, yeah, they

2065
01:38:22,280 --> 01:38:23,280
Speaker 1: well what about Miami.

2066
01:38:23,360 --> 01:38:25,360
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, they've your place tonight. They're in Milwaukee.

2067
01:38:25,560 --> 01:38:28,360
Speaker 1: If if the wheels fall off Miami with you, hope

2068
01:38:28,360 --> 01:38:30,160
Speaker 1: they don't, But then what do you do you owe?

2069
01:38:30,240 --> 01:38:31,160
Speaker 2: You you go to Dayton.

2070
01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:34,439
Speaker 7: This is this is when we just look forward to

2071
01:38:34,640 --> 01:38:37,240
Speaker 7: Opening day, NonStop countdowns.

2072
01:38:37,560 --> 01:38:40,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, nothing like this New Year's depression to go on

2073
01:38:40,880 --> 01:38:42,760
Speaker 1: here with our sports teams because there's no just no

2074
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:43,280
Speaker 1: good news.

2075
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:45,040
Speaker 7: Miami, Miami.

2076
01:38:45,320 --> 01:38:48,479
Speaker 1: That's it, all right, Sarah at least trying to make

2077
01:38:48,520 --> 01:38:50,240
Speaker 1: sure you go to a reds dot com and the

2078
01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:52,439
Speaker 1: REDS Community Fund sign up for Sarah Stripto.

2079
01:38:53,040 --> 01:38:54,240
Speaker 7: It's just regular poker.

2080
01:38:55,160 --> 01:38:57,360
Speaker 2: Spread the rumors you're a poker with Sarah seven