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Speaker 1: News Radio seven hundred WLW Mike Allen and Saturday midday

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Speaker 1: really cold Saturday morning. I hate this weather. I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you what. This is something to behold. That situation out

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Speaker 1: in Minnesota, with the fraud out there, it's just staggering,

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Speaker 1: and it only gets worse. I really do believe we're

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Speaker 1: only at the tip of the iceberg on this thing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, at least one billion dollars basically just stolen

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Speaker 1: from the taxpayers, and the whistleblowers say it could go

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Speaker 1: up to eight billion, probably land somewhere in the middle.

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Speaker 2: It's just mind boggling.

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Speaker 1: How something like that could happen under the government's nose.

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Speaker 1: You know, I did this. I just felt like playing

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Speaker 1: around here a little bit. So just to put it

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Speaker 1: in perspective, let's just assume the total loss is one

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Speaker 1: billion bucks. I looked up on AI and I trust

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Speaker 1: a pretty much what the salary for a Minneapolis police

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Speaker 1: officer is. The average salary, Boy, it's not bad. Ninety

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Speaker 1: six thousand dollars a year. So I divided ninety six

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Speaker 1: thousand by one billion. It came up to and it

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Speaker 1: was wrong. It's not my fault, it's ours, but it's

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Speaker 1: not wrong. They could hire ten thousand, four hundred and

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Speaker 1: sixteen police officers with that one billion dollars. Again, it

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Speaker 1: is a staggering waste of taxpayer money.

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Speaker 2: Basically, it's three programs.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about a couple here today, and

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Speaker 1: we're also going to be talking to Janie Heisel about

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Speaker 1: this at eleven. She's on this, and I feel very

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Speaker 1: comfortable saying this as tight as any reporter in this country.

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Speaker 1: She was recognized by Newt Gingrich for her reporting on

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Speaker 1: this story. She fouled a news story yesterday. I believe

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Speaker 1: it was with some more facts. We'll be talking to

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Speaker 1: Janis at eleven o'clock about it. So the big one is,

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Speaker 1: or at least the first one is feeding our future.

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Speaker 2: Sounds good, doesn't it. They always have those names that

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Speaker 2: they put on them. This one. They know that more.

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Speaker 1: Than two hundred and fifty million dollars was stolen from

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Speaker 1: the taxpayers on this one. So they used the money

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Speaker 1: to buy luxury cars, houses, beachfront property, jewelry. And if

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Speaker 1: that sounds familiar, that's exactly what Black Lives Matter, the

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Speaker 1: sainted Black Lives Matter did, And to the best of

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Speaker 1: my knowledge, there were no prosecutions in that gee, I

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Speaker 1: wonder why, Okay, Medicaid claims submitted through the program that's

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Speaker 1: called Housing Stabilization Services. So they're supposed to use the

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Speaker 1: medicaid dollars, which Medicaid is healthcare related Medicaid dollars to

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Speaker 1: fund find and maintain housing for senior citizens, people with

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Speaker 1: disabilities or substance abuse. They got these people got the

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Speaker 1: names of people from places like addiction treatment centers. Pick

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Speaker 1: up the phone and say, hey, you know, we're from

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Speaker 1: the government. We're here to help. Who can we help?

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Speaker 1: Give us your list?

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Speaker 2: And they then the Somalians inflated submitted inflated numbers in

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Speaker 2: these reimbursement claims. That one at least now reached one

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Speaker 2: hundred and four million in twenty twenty four, one hundred

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Speaker 2: four million dollars of the taxpayer's dough taken. This one

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Speaker 2: might be the most just ballsy, I guess is the

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Speaker 2: way to say it. People have no function at all

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Speaker 2: figuring out what's right and what's fair. Autism care funding Autism,

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Speaker 2: of course is a big thing now, and that's a

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Speaker 2: good thing. I've got a little grand niece who is autistic.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad to see that happen. Didn't happen here though.

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Speaker 1: All right, there's a twenty eight year old woman by

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Speaker 1: the name of Asha Faran Hassan. She would recruit parents

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Speaker 1: to get their kids checked for autism. Okay, every child

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Speaker 1: recruited by this person, guess what was diagnosed with autism,

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Speaker 1: whether they had it or not.

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Speaker 2: And the overwhelming number did not.

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Speaker 1: I mean, wouldn't you think that that would stand out

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Speaker 1: to an auditor, to a controller, or to a governor

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Speaker 1: and attorney general for that matter. So anyway, they got

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Speaker 1: the kickback. The somebodi's got the money, and they gave

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Speaker 1: a kickback of three hundred to fifteen hundred dollars per

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Speaker 1: excuse me, fifteen thousand dollars per child they just put

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Speaker 1: in their pocket. Now, the common thread among these examples

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Speaker 1: is that it's obvious, although I can't say it, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna say it, most of the defendants, the people involved

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Speaker 1: in this thing are of Somalian heritage. But again, you're

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Speaker 1: not allowed to say that because if you do, you

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Speaker 1: may be called are you ready racist? Or even worse

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Speaker 1: than that, you may be called Islamophobic.

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Speaker 2: That's legit too. And as we get into this story, you're.

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Speaker 1: Gonna see people did not want to move on this,

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Speaker 1: and that is one of the reasons, believe it or not.

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Speaker 2: And here's the kicker.

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Speaker 1: This is just if it's not bad enough, this is

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Speaker 1: the cherry on top of the Sunday Some of the money,

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Speaker 1: from what I'm reading, a great deal of the money

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Speaker 1: Al Shabab, which just happens to be a Somalian terrorist group.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that a nice little touch our money, taxpayer money

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Speaker 1: going to fund something like that. And this is Janis's reporting.

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Speaker 1: Janice Heisler's reporting from a couple of weeks ago. I

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Speaker 1: just want to read you something there. There's a guy

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Speaker 1: named William Klan. He's a former Federal Reserve Systems analyst.

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Speaker 1: He told the Epoch Times that he believes and I'm

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Speaker 1: going to quote him here. Janis quoted him in the story.

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Speaker 1: He believes with one hundred percent certainty, one hundred percent certainty,

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Speaker 1: that our Shabab is receiving the money, most likely despite

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Speaker 1: the sender's intentions to benefit their friends and relatives back home.

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Speaker 1: So I guess that means the thieves are stealing from

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Speaker 1: the thieves you get what you asked for. I guess

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Speaker 1: does that surprise you at all? Given the people that

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Hell no. And of course it's a terrorist group.

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Speaker 1: But you and I through this, our tax pro federal

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Speaker 1: taxpayer dollars were funding it. You know, you might be

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Speaker 1: asking yourself, because I did. I asked myself, how in

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Speaker 1: the heck could something like this go on? And I've

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Speaker 1: never heard about it. I follow this stuff closely. I

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Speaker 1: didn't hear anything about this. You know, Tim Waltz was

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Speaker 1: the Democrat candidate for vice president. Wouldn't you think that

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Speaker 1: would have come up in their vetting process. Pretty bad.

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Speaker 1: But with respect to the media, listen to this network coverage. Now,

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Speaker 1: this was as of early this week, so the numbers

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Speaker 1: might not be the same now, but at any rate, ABC,

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Speaker 1: the Big Three, ABC, CBS, NBC, none of whom are

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Speaker 1: very relevant anymore, but it gives you an idea. ABC

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Speaker 1: but ABC, man, they really turned everything over to learn

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Speaker 2: They gave it one minute. It's just it's.

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Speaker 1: Sad, and there were people that knew about this. This

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Speaker 1: is from Yahoo News, a group of Minnesota State employees

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Speaker 1: said that they wrote to former Vice President Kamala Harris,

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris and the Democratic National Committee multiple times quote

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Speaker 1: warning them about Waltz and what they described as his

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Speaker 1: quote incompetence, fraud, scandals, and retaliation close quote. Of course,

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Speaker 1: Walts was Harris's running mate in twenty twenty four. Okay,

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Speaker 1: ABC World News, and they're all circle on the wagons

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Speaker 1: protecting Tim Waltz. I mean, that's what they're doing. You know,

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Speaker 1: you can always they can always count on the mainstream

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Speaker 1: News have not mentioned Waltz by name in the past week,

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Speaker 1: according to a search of transcripts using Gravyan media. Not

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Speaker 1: familiar with that, but didn't even mention the guy. He's

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Speaker 1: the governor. I mean, Okay, the story goes on, and

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Speaker 1: this is this just drives home what I just said.

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Speaker 1: The terms Somalia and Somalian were also not used on

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Speaker 1: any of the three network newscast And let's just face it,

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Speaker 1: that's what this is about. The overwhelming majority of these

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Speaker 1: people are of Somalian descent. I think that's relevant. It's

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Speaker 1: relevant for a political reason. You know, these people, Walls

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Speaker 1: and others. They don't want to honk off that community.

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Speaker 1: So it's fine, you know, still billion dollars. But I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna make you mad. Somebody may call me islamophobic.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, we couldn't have that.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 1: The story goes on in Yahoo News another day, another

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Speaker 1: massive story of blue state political mouthfeasans hidden by the

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Speaker 1: elitist media nightly news NewsBusters, which is a media watchdog group.

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Speaker 2: They're really good, got a great website.

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Speaker 1: NewsBusters analysts Jorge Bania set in a report for the

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Speaker 1: conservative media watchdog group. Quote this time, there's not a

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Speaker 1: peep about the exploding welfare scandal currently engulfing the state

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Speaker 1: of Minnesota, which directly implicates some of its senior most

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Speaker 1: elected officials. That's close quote two wit Governor Wallace. So

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Speaker 1: you kind of get the idea. I mean, if you

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're not gonna they're just not gonna cover it. Well,

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Speaker 1: they have to cover it now, but they're going to

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Speaker 1: protect their people. It's just the way it is, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's overwhelming, this whole thing is. It's just it's hard

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Speaker 1: to believe. And those elected officials. There's no way that

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Speaker 1: that state did not know about this. There's no way,

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Speaker 1: you know. In spite of that, too, Kamala Harris picks

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Speaker 1: him for her running mate. I mean, she could have

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Speaker 1: she couldn't do that because if she did that, she

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Speaker 2: So she picks this bozo and you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: I don't mean to get personal, but he really is

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Speaker 1: the guy's of buffoon. I mean when he got picked,

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Speaker 1: remember going out on the stage there, waving his hands wildly.

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Speaker 1: It just didn't make any sense. Well, after the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two federal raids, this mister glan that we were

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Speaker 1: talking about before, again, this is right from Janisi's story,

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Speaker 1: last week's story, not the new one. After the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two federal raids, mister GLn looked back at earlier scandals.

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Speaker 1: He believes they set the stage for the schemes that

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Speaker 1: eventually emerged. The scope is now so over overwhelming that

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Speaker 1: federal prosecutors admit, listen to this, folks, listen to this.

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Speaker 1: They admit that they lack the manpower to charge everyone involved.

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Speaker 1: Let me give it to you again, federal prosecutors, and

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Speaker 1: let me tell you something. People, those offices are well funded.

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Speaker 1: Federal prosecutors admit they lack the manpower to charge everyone involved.

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Speaker 1: That is inexcusable. If you don't have the manpower in

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Speaker 1: the federal realm, you can get it. But I have

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Speaker 1: never seen a situation where any prosecutor at any level says, hey,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's so overwhelming, we don't have the manpower

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Speaker 1: to charge these people. So you know we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to turn a blind eye to that unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: Well, it goes on. Just a couple more sentences here

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Speaker 2: from Genesis.

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Speaker 1: Report over the federal childcare assistance program being vulnerable to

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Speaker 1: fraud date back to two thousand and nine. Two thousand

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen Minnesota report. So they had an idea specific

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Speaker 1: concerns about Somali run childcare programs in Minnesota exploiting those

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Speaker 1: weaknesses surfaced around twenty and sixteen.

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Speaker 2: Mister Clown said.

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Speaker 1: By twenty eighteen, a Minnesota whistleblower and some media organizations

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Speaker 1: were reporting that up to one hundred million dollars was

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Speaker 1: being stolen via fraudulent childcare billing. Those reports also alleged

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Speaker 1: the stolen money was funding terrorist organizations in Somalia. I

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Speaker 1: don't know, maybe you agree with me, maybe you don't,

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Speaker 1: but this is unbelievable. I've seen government ways, you know,

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Speaker 1: you hear the stories about the five hundred dollars hammers

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Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. This is just the

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Speaker 1: amounts involved in the fact that in mister grond who

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Speaker 1: janis interviewed Forget who he's with, but he's a respected guy.

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Speaker 1: He said he's one hundred percent sure it went to

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Speaker 1: You know you talk about affordability, Yes, of course it's important.

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Speaker 1: At eleven o'clock we're gonna be hearing from Janis Heisel

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Speaker 1: But at any rate, I want to know what you think.

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Speaker 2: Just one thing. I promise I'll get to the phones.

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Speaker 1: This article in Yahoo about the media coverage is really good.

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Speaker 1: Worried about saying this every time. I will note it's

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Speaker 5: Good morning, Mike Allen. Thanks for taking my call. I'm

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Speaker 5: I've called WLW in the past two weeks because you're

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Speaker 5: Well, I just wanted to say resarting Omar. I actually,

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Speaker 1: I heard that. I heard that this week. You know what,

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Speaker 5: Yeah. And as far as like the racial stuff goes,

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Speaker 5: I just wanted to read a quote took Okay, all right.

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Speaker 5: The quote is, it is in the Jewish interest, It

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Speaker 5: powerlessly as their people are terrorized. Only then will mankind

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Speaker 5: And that was Ishmael Lovitz.

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Speaker 2: Who is that person?

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Speaker 6: Is he?

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Speaker 5: Abbi?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, a rabbi said that. And then Ariel Sharone declared

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, you're not anti Semitic, are you, Melanie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, And I appreciate your calling, but

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Speaker 1: I mean she said she's Jewish. You know she's quoting

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Speaker 1: get it. I wouldn't break my heart if she doesn't.

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Speaker 2: Call back again.

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Speaker 1: How about Fred in Saint Petersburg, Man, I wish I

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Speaker 7: I'm doing great?

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Speaker 6: Mike.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that woman she I don't think she was on

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Speaker 8: Anyway, I've actually been following this for four or five years.

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Speaker 8: But anyway, and there's also a list the whistleful or

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Speaker 8: So yeah, Walls is saying, well, you know, we can't discriminate. Okay,

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Speaker 8: I get it, fine, but you know the famous last

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Speaker 7: They're not all crooks.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, in your example, it sounds like about

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, it's just not only that she didn't

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Speaker 2: It's just it's a debacle, is what it is.

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Speaker 1: But you know that that woman that called we don't

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Speaker 7: She was a plan. Yes, you know, she knew what

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Speaker 8: Another thing on Shapeiro, you know he probably didn't want

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Speaker 9: Hey, Mike, really.

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Speaker 10: Good, Thank you appreciate you taking my call.

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Speaker 10: Kind of a two part thing. Here today. You know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw.

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Speaker 7: That, what kind of.

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Speaker 1: Well it didn't come out during the election. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I'd rather criticize him for his policies. But that's not

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Speaker 6: There a.

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Speaker 10: Complete irresponsibility, and how is he managing the city's budget.

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Speaker 10: But on a secondary note, I mean, how easy is

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Speaker 10: didn't know about your grandniece, but autism. It seems to

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Speaker 10: I mean that that sounds completely bizarre, Mike.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine it?

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Speaker 10: I imagine the uh, the Dough.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely.

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Speaker 10: I mean, could you imagine the Susan Coleman breast cancer research,

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Speaker 10: ripe for government corruptions. So I appreciate you, Mike. I

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Speaker 10: love your show. You are appointment Radio every Saturday.

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Speaker 2: I thank you, Eric, thank you so much for that.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that. Yeah, I mean, fund it the research

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Speaker 2: for the cause.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know much about autism. Perhaps I should

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Speaker 1: know more, and I'm going to educate myself, but my god,

441
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,479
Speaker 1: it seems like there's a lot of it. There are

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Speaker 1: some that speculate it's something that we're doing food supply

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Speaker 1: or something like that. I have no idea, but it's

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Speaker 1: important to find out if we can. Let's see who

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Speaker 1: is next. I want to be fair. How about William? Hey, William,

446
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Speaker 1: how you doing?

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Speaker 2: Man?

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Speaker 6: All right? Good?

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Speaker 11: Why is it that we can always find a cause

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Speaker 11: and generate a sense of or a method to fund

451
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 11: these plans, but never audit them along the way.

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Speaker 1: Well, that needs to happen. It's hard to fathom, it

453
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Speaker 1: really is, William. It's hard to fathom that this situation

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Speaker 1: out there in Minnesota wasn't audited.

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Speaker 2: You're right, that's exactly what has to happen.

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Speaker 1: And you know my government experience when I worked for

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Speaker 1: the government, not that much and not at that high

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Speaker 1: highest levels.

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Speaker 2: I know they did audit these people from time to time.

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Speaker 11: Well, I have a relative, my daughter, who works for

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Speaker 11: a school system, and the whole purpose of her job,

462
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 11: this whole purpose is to make sure the monies.

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Speaker 6: Are going where they're supposed to go. Yep and white.

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Speaker 11: We can't do that with the government. I'll never understand.

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Speaker 2: I don't enter it.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, so that's all I have.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I appreciate the call, Thank you very much. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know you're going to use government money. You ought

469
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Speaker 1: to be accountable or answerable to someone, whether it's a controller,

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Speaker 1: an auditor, or whatever. How in the heck people can

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Speaker 1: steal at a minimum a billion bucks from the government

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Speaker 1: and seemingly get away with it. Now I know Tampon

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Speaker 1: tim says, well, we've got some going to jail and

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Speaker 1: even more are Well where were you?

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Speaker 6: You know?

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Speaker 1: I just read the report that I think it was

477
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Speaker 1: Janis's reporting that people knew about this or had an

478
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Speaker 1: idea two thousand and nine twenty and sixteen. How can

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Speaker 1: it go on? Then again, this is just the tip

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Speaker 1: of the iceberg. Hey, we got time for one more quickie?

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Speaker 1: How about Rob?

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Speaker 6: Hey?

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Speaker 2: Rob?

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Speaker 6: Canm I tell you today?

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Speaker 2: I'm good? Got about two and a half minutes.

486
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Speaker 12: Wasn't the first time on a repo issue with mister

487
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 12: pure evil. I don't understand that he's making money. His wife,

488
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Speaker 12: Epitheen's in the medical profession as a doctor, so someone

489
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 12: needs to look at the finances there. Secondly, who is

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Speaker 12: the attorney that's representing the protesters and rioters that are

491
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Speaker 12: getting eight plus million dollars? Can you name the firm

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Speaker 12: or can you name the legal representative who's going to

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Speaker 12: cash in on about thirty forty percent of that money

494
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Speaker 12: that we're going to reward these clowns that tore up

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Speaker 12: the city, spit on through whatever, steel balls, pieces of concrete, rocks,

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Speaker 12: that everything at. The police officers, their hands have been tied.

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Speaker 12: And as far as accountability of the last comment a

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Speaker 12: few years back, the city council folks, they were totally

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Speaker 12: preserve evidence.

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Speaker 9: Preserve evidence.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, welth of them didn't.

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Speaker 9: Nothing happened to them, Mike, There's no accountability locally, on

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Speaker 9: the state, on the federal level, it's almost like the

504
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Speaker 9: people the dog chasing the tail. Yeah, there's no accountability

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Speaker 9: anywhere unless you're on the other side.

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Speaker 1: With common sense exactly exactly, And I'm gonna answer your concerns.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate the call. We're bumping up against the news,

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Speaker 1: but you bring up a lot of good things. I

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Speaker 1: did read a couple of stories. Fox nineteen story and

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Speaker 1: the Inquire's story about that situation with respect to the

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Speaker 1: money that these protesters are going to get makes me

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Speaker 1: want to vomit too. I didn't recognize I take that back.

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Speaker 1: One of the lawyers I think was al Gerhardstein. I

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Speaker 1: gotta say I was a very very good lawyer. These

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Speaker 1: are the kind of cases he takes. Once a lawyer

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Speaker 1: accepts the case, I mean, you gotta do what you

517
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Speaker 1: gotta do for your client.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 1: The onus I don't think is on the turn The

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Speaker 1: onus is on the city. I mean, you know, they

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00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: rack up the city for what was an eight million,

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Speaker 1: and then you got Chief Fiji. They're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: back up the brinks truck to city Hall to settle

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Speaker 1: with her and the fire chief as well. It's just negligence.

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Speaker 1: And again, if you live in the city and pay

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Speaker 1: the earnings tax, I don't anymore. Thank god, it's your money. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: we have to take a break, but when we get back,

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Speaker 1: we are going to talk to the aforementioned Christopher Smith.

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Speaker 1: We am talked to him in a while. Mike Allen's

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Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 6: Sexting rules are recurring. What it takes a marketing messages specs,

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Speaker 6: a frequency, various message data reachs me.

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Speaker 1: A plug of Saturday midday. Well, I tell you what

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Speaker 1: we talked a little bit about it. Someone tells me

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about this for a while. Eight

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Speaker 1: million dollars settlement that if you live in the city

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Speaker 1: or work in the city, it's your earnings tax money

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00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: you're paying for it. And that's on top of what

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Speaker 1: I know they're going to end up pay and Chief Thiji,

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Speaker 1: and I believe that the fire chief got a pretty

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Speaker 1: good settlement too. Here to talk about that and other

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Speaker 1: issues is Christopher Schmidman. Christopher, thanks for joining.

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Speaker 4: Us, Hey, thank you so much for having me on.

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Speaker 6: Mike.

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Speaker 4: I am just as shocked as you are on a

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Speaker 4: number of fronts, you know, because you're hearing. You know,

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Speaker 4: the city is issuing judgment bonds, which means we don't

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Speaker 4: have the money to pay, so we're issuing debt. The

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Speaker 4: public has to digest that. We know that the interest

550
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Speaker 4: rates aren't the way they used to be ten fifteen

551
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Speaker 4: years ago. They're not two point five percent or twenty

552
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Speaker 4: years ago when they issued ninety four million dollars of

553
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Speaker 4: debt for the street car. So this is probably you know,

554
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Speaker 4: in the seven sixty seven percent on on ten million,

555
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 4: because we're giving the lawyers two million, So this is

556
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Speaker 4: a ten million dollar settlement. And think about for the

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Speaker 4: public here. Because I was the vice mayor serving with

558
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Speaker 4: John Cranley, so I'm not running away from any of this.

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Speaker 4: We had people, We had people in downtown who were

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Speaker 4: setting fires, breaking into businesses surrounding our uh, surrounding city Hall.

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Speaker 4: We had swat down there, we had the police, and

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Speaker 4: the amount of overtime that we were spending in order

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Speaker 4: to keep the businesses and the core of our city

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Speaker 4: together was just an extraordinary time. And so to wake

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Speaker 4: up and here we're giving ten million dollars, not eight

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Speaker 4: point one because the lawyers are going to get a

567
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 4: couple of million dollars and were issue judgment bonds. You

568
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Speaker 4: and I know, and you just said it. The taxpayers

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Speaker 4: are paying this bill. What could the mayor have done differently?

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Speaker 2: I thought he handled it very well.

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Speaker 4: But I'm saying, no, John handled it well. I'm saying,

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Speaker 4: what could this mayor has done? Which is saying, let's

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Speaker 4: go to trial. I want to try. I want a

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Speaker 4: jury to come out and say in southern Ohio we

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Speaker 4: owe ten million dollars to people who are breaking the

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Speaker 4: law in downtown. Let's let's put everybody on trial and

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Speaker 4: let's let them decide what this settlement is.

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Speaker 6: Like.

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Speaker 4: That's what That's what's so frustrating for me. Like, I'm

580
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 4: just tired of it, man, I'm tired of all the

581
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 4: race baiting, all of this, you know. I'm you know, reparations.

582
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 4: I need this and I need that. This is time

583
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Speaker 4: for people to work, handle their business, do what you

584
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 4: need to do, raise your families, pay your child support,

585
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 4: you know, do what you're supposed to do in this

586
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Speaker 4: world to make the world better. There was no reason,

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Speaker 4: Like a peaceful protest is one thing, right, but that

588
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 4: is not what we were experiencing in downtown. We were

589
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Speaker 4: not experiencing peaceful protests. Now, were there people down there

590
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Speaker 4: who were being peaceful? Yes, among the chaos, right, but

591
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 4: there's enough video out there for anybody to see what

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00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 4: was happening downtown wasn't peaceful? Mike Allen, what does this

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Speaker 4: mean to our cops going forward when we have the

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Speaker 4: next situation? Right, they're talking about we're going to put

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Speaker 4: together my policies. That don't mean what do you mean? Right?

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Speaker 4: What do you mean You're saying that when they're riots

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Speaker 4: in your city, you can't quell them. Well, that's the

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Speaker 4: way to bring law in order. That's back to our city.

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Speaker 1: That's the way it's trending, Christopher, not only in this city,

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Speaker 1: in other cities too. I mean, he had the situation

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Speaker 1: on the bridge where I guess that Covington police officer

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Speaker 1: is in a jam on that. You know what, I

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Speaker 1: never participated, from a cop perspective, in a riot, But

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Speaker 1: you know, you can't be genteel about everything. One thing

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Speaker 1: I want to do here, Christopher, if you would indulge me,

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Speaker 1: I want to read it's a very short statement from

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Speaker 1: FOP president Ken Kober. Wanted to try to get him today,

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Speaker 1: but I wasn't able to do it. I'm gonna try

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Speaker 1: to get him on next Saturday.

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Speaker 2: Anyway.

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Speaker 1: Here's his statement, the FOP president, the city asked our

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Speaker 1: officers to enforce the curfew they imposed by arresting individuals

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Speaker 1: causing chaos and destruction during the riots of twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: This is the importance, I think a very good part

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Speaker 1: out of ideological persuasions. The law Department dismissed hundreds of charges,

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Speaker 1: hundreds of charges and brought a multi million dollar civil

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Speaker 1: suit against the good people of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: And he's right.

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Speaker 1: The Muni Court judges on Moss dismissed this stuff.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why.

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Speaker 4: Here's what I will say to you. I'm thinking in

622
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 4: my mind that everybody going home and saying, hey, we're

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Speaker 4: just going to walk away from some of this stuff

624
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 4: was enough. I wasn't that. Now You've got the lawyers

625
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 4: who are now saying, you know, now what's going to

626
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 4: happen is we're going to sue you civilly, right, and

627
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 4: so now they're taking it. So the next time this happens, right,

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00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 4: everybody's going to have to rethink how they handle it,

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Speaker 4: including myself. Everybody's going to have to sit back and

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00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 4: go oh, there are lawyers out there that are that

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Speaker 4: aggressive that now will sue us, even though we're saying, hey,

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00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 4: everybody go back to their corners. We're gonna play knights

633
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 4: in the sandbox and try to move on because we

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00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 4: don't want more chaos in our communities than in our city.

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Speaker 4: So here's my bottom line. The only thing that has

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00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 4: happened today is taxpayers are paying this bill no matter

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Speaker 4: where you live. My mom's property taxes you know who,

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00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 4: she's a widow, are going higher. My property taxes on

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00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 4: my office, on my personal property in the city are

640
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 4: going higher. And all they're doing is forcing more and

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00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 4: more people to make the decision to move further in

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00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 4: the county, take their businesses in the county so they

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00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 4: don't have to pay that tax.

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Speaker 6: Yep, that's all they're doing.

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Speaker 4: You know, how is it cheaper per mileage for Indian

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00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 4: Hill than it is in the city of Cincinnati. We're

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00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 4: gonna have to start grappling with it's just getting too

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00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 4: expensive for people to function in our city. Mike Allen,

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Speaker 4: that's where we are. And then when you layer on

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00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 4: things like okay, now they're layering on the operation of

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00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,479
Speaker 4: the streetcar or expanding the streetcar or the stadium deal.

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Speaker 4: It's not like this is a one off. It's like

653
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Speaker 4: there are a lot of things coming at us right,

654
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Speaker 4: and people are just saying, I can't afford it. I

655
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Speaker 4: cannot afford to live in the city of Cincinnati. And

656
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Speaker 4: the last thing I'll say as a financial planner, my

657
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 4: clients are moving to Florida, and they're moving to Texas

658
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Speaker 4: for a reason. Right. They're not just leaving the county, right,

659
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Speaker 4: They're moving completely out of the state, saying they're trying

660
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Speaker 4: to find places where taxes are reasonable, or they say

661
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Speaker 4: to me, at least I have a outline of what

662
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Speaker 4: the rules are and they're consistent.

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Speaker 2: Yep. And you can tell you can see that happening.

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Speaker 2: I mean, uh. And it's a damn shame too, because

665
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Speaker 2: this city, I think has a lot to offer.

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Speaker 1: I do have one more question on this, Christopher. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so this is what did you say. I know it

668
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Speaker 1: is eight point one, but it's closer to ten million.

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Speaker 1: The fire chief didn't the fire chief hit them up

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Speaker 1: hard on a settlement. I thought I read that, and

671
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Speaker 1: then you got yeah, I don't think.

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Speaker 4: I don't I don't think. I don't think Chief Washington

673
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Speaker 4: has settled. I anticipate he's won the lawsuit. They have

674
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Speaker 4: now appealed it and the city lost and the judge

675
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Speaker 4: has said, you guys need to settle this case. You know,

676
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Speaker 4: I'm thinking three to five million dollars for the fire

677
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Speaker 4: chief Chief Washington, and I also think that Fiji Chief

678
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Speaker 4: Fiji is also going to get a significant settlements. There's

679
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Speaker 4: a fire chief, Chief Sherman who a lot of people

680
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Speaker 4: don't know, but know they fired him right after the

681
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 4: election saying that he was helping Chief Washington by sending

682
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Speaker 4: emails in his case and they fired him. I assume

683
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Speaker 4: he's also going to sue and over the next couple

684
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Speaker 4: of years he's gonna win too.

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Speaker 6: This is just a.

686
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Speaker 4: Debacle, But elections have consequences. Right our communities like bond Hill,

687
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 4: like Evingston, like Hyde Park, like Mount lookout right as examples,

688
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Speaker 4: even though they were doing these developments, said these are

689
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Speaker 4: the people that they want in charge, and I respect

690
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Speaker 4: their decision. Right am not here complaining about the decision.

691
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Speaker 4: They didn't select me, they didn't select a Liz Keating,

692
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Speaker 4: they didn't select Gooden as an example, they didn't select

693
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Speaker 4: Lakita Cole I respect what the voters have said, and

694
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Speaker 4: I stand down. But elections have consequences. If I were

695
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Speaker 4: the mayor, I never would have settled this case. We

696
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Speaker 4: would have had to go to trial, and I would

697
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Speaker 4: have put on the best litigation that we could because

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Speaker 4: the implications on our ability to quill future yet riot

699
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 4: in our downtown are going to be impaired. That is

700
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Speaker 4: a serious problem, and it undermines our police department, in

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Speaker 4: our in our city.

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Speaker 2: It does. Let me move on here. I've been waiting

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Speaker 2: to ask you this. I want to get your reaction

704
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Speaker 2: to what happened, what is happening because it's an ongoing

705
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Speaker 2: story in Minnesota with the unbelievable at least one billion

706
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Speaker 2: dollars graft and fraud that's going on out there. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you know, you were on city council.

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Speaker 1: You know governments, you know how they spend money, and

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Speaker 1: you know the oversight or lack of saying.

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Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on that? Christopher? I can't believe

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Speaker 2: somebody didn't catch that, But anyway, what do you think?

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Speaker 4: Well, clearly, you know this racial environment that we're living

713
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Speaker 4: in has unfortunately people not looking close. I think that

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Speaker 4: was a part of the problem. Yeah, the Somali community,

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Speaker 4: and this is the result of it. I just look

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Speaker 4: at my own business, you know, as a financial planner,

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Speaker 4: I'm annually audited. I'm deeply audited every three years. They

718
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Speaker 4: look through my financial records for a reason, right, because

719
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Speaker 4: they don't want a financial planner or a stockbroker impaired,

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Speaker 4: because it raises the risk that I might go into

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Speaker 4: a client's account number one, or a client might be

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Speaker 4: trying to loan me money, or I might be involved

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Speaker 4: in something that's horrible. So I'm saying, not only are

724
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Speaker 4: we talking about what's happening in this case, we're talking

725
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Speaker 4: about what's happening at city Hall with the mayor having

726
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Speaker 4: his cars repot. It's all the same. It's corruption. And

727
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Speaker 4: what we're going to find is, remember every year, Mike Allen,

728
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Speaker 4: you haven't been an elected official. We have to file

729
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Speaker 4: an ethics report. We have to disclose what our debts are.

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Speaker 4: Have we filed bankruptcy? You know, what are our assets?

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Speaker 4: Where are we investing our money. Somebody's going to go

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Speaker 4: back and look and see what Mayor pure Val has

733
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Speaker 4: been putting down on those financial records to the state,

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Speaker 4: because it's possible that he was not disclosing that he

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Speaker 4: was having financial problems. The reason this is such a

736
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Speaker 4: big deal to me is a politician who is financially impaired.

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Speaker 4: It raises the probability of bribery. It raises the probability

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Speaker 4: on the margin that someone can influence you in a

739
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Speaker 4: different way because you need that job or you need

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Speaker 4: those resources. So that's why we fill out those financial

741
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Speaker 4: reports so everybody can understand where we're having conflicts of interest.

742
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Speaker 4: This is a conflict of interest for the mayor. It's

743
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Speaker 4: a conflict of interest for the governor that we're talking

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Speaker 4: about with the Somali situation, and it breeds corruption because

745
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Speaker 4: you have a government that was really just turning their

746
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Speaker 4: heads during COVID, handing out millions and millions, and it

747
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Speaker 4: was a billion dollars that we absolutely lost track of

748
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Speaker 4: at the end of the day. Somebody should go to jail.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't matter who they are. This should be nonpartisan.

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Speaker 4: Mike Allen, Oh, it has nothing to do with Democrat

751
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 4: or Republican, whoever is involved with this situation. Everybody should

752
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 4: be held account and everybody should go to jail. Period.

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Speaker 4: If anything less happens, our country is on fire. Wrong

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Speaker 4: with us.

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Speaker 1: I mean, come on, a billion dollars And again, I

756
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Speaker 1: don't know if you saw it, Christopher that one of

757
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Speaker 1: the whistleblowers said that he thought it could get up

758
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Speaker 1: to eight billion under the nose of the governor and

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Speaker 1: the attorney general of the state of Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been around a while.

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Speaker 1: It clearly just boggles my mind just the dimensions of it.

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Speaker 4: Think about this was a guy that was literally one

763
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Speaker 4: step from the White House. That's right, Governor right, he

764
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Speaker 4: was running for vice president of the United States of America,

765
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Speaker 4: and he's involved right now in the biggest fraud case

766
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Speaker 4: in the history of our country as it relates to

767
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 4: dollars coming from the government through COVID going directly to

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Speaker 4: a state. This is an amazing thing. And most likely

769
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Speaker 4: people knew about this and did not disclose it right

770
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Speaker 4: during the election. Meaning what is happening with our current

771
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Speaker 4: mayor with the disclosure of multiple cars being repolled, Meaning

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Speaker 4: he's really not being truthful. Mike Allen, most likely, as

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Speaker 4: a financial planner, when you're having this kind of problem,

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Speaker 4: you have cash flow issues. This is most likely impacting

775
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 4: his home, is most likely impacting credit card debt is

776
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 4: most likely impacting his cars and any other investment he has.

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Speaker 4: Our mayor is financially impaired, and there should be a

778
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Speaker 4: full investigation into it. What I'm saying here is that

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Speaker 4: most likely you had a government that covered up the

780
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Speaker 4: fact that the vice president of the guy running for

781
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Speaker 4: vice president was having this kind of issue in a state.

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Speaker 4: I believe the same thing with local a year we

783
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 4: just came out of an election. Clearly they found that

784
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 4: Corey Bowman, they put this stupid story in the paper

785
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Speaker 4: that he hadn't paid some taxes that he actually had paid.

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Speaker 4: This is a situation where the mayor's car was repulled

787
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 4: right in front of city Hall, meaning his car was

788
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 4: taken at parked outside our government, the core of our city.

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Speaker 4: And it didn't even come up during the campaign. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: this is the laziness of the media, brother, Oh laziness.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 1: I mean not only on a state level, some not

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Speaker 1: a lot on the local level. We only got about

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Speaker 1: two more moneys. What I can't understand is Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 1: Why would she have signed off on him if she

796
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Speaker 1: and she had to know something about this when she

797
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Speaker 1: had I know why she didn't pick Josh Shapiro because

798
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Speaker 1: she'd honk off the anti Semitic base of her party.

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Speaker 1: But I just don't understand. But there's so much about

800
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Speaker 1: her I don't understand.

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Speaker 4: I guess well answered the question right. First of all,

802
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 4: it was ego, meaning Kamala Harris did not want to

803
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Speaker 4: select somebody who she thought would be bigger than her.

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Speaker 4: This is important. Her personality would not There's some people

805
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 4: that can't have smart people around them, right, So part

806
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 4: of it with it. Shapiro should have been the natural

807
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 4: selection for her. He was the strongest candidate coming out

808
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 4: of Pennsylvania, out of the miss Midwest, and ultimately she lost.

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Speaker 4: It was she one of the reasons she lost that

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Speaker 4: election because Governor Shapiro would have been doing a great

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Speaker 4: job in Indiana, contucture in pa in Ohio. Right, but

812
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Speaker 4: her anti Semitic behavior. I can't pick him because he's Jewish,

813
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 4: because of what is happening between Israel and Hamas, I

814
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 4: can't pick a Jewish person for my ticket. This is

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Speaker 4: what the Democratic ticket was really wrestling with.

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Speaker 6: So they did.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, she was more competent, a much

818
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Speaker 4: better speaker.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he has a.

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Speaker 4: State that's on the ball. If he runs for president

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Speaker 4: in the next three years, he's going to give the

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Speaker 4: Republicans a run for their money coming out of coming

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Speaker 4: out of Pennsylvania. But the reason she didn't do the

824
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Speaker 4: selection is simple. It was her ego. She can't. She

825
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 4: wants a weak person in the position she has that

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Speaker 4: kind of anybody's had a boss that they feel like,

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Speaker 4: you know, like they want you to tell them every

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Speaker 4: second thing that's going on around you. Notice that how

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Speaker 4: her employee don't like working for her. She's a very

830
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Speaker 4: difficult person to work with. That is why she selected

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Speaker 4: the guy she selected. She wanted somebody week that wouldn't

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Speaker 4: outshine her.

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Speaker 1: Yep, all right, my friend, we're out of time, but

834
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Speaker 1: I really appreciate our chats and we will definitely do

835
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Speaker 1: it again.

836
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Speaker 4: And Mike Allen, people can follow me at votes Smitherman

837
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 4: on social media on x It's a great way for

838
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 4: people to get updates between now and the next time

839
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Speaker 4: you invite me on on a Saturday.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, thank you, all right. Chris First Smithman still

841
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: very very relevant on the local political scene here. And

842
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Speaker 1: I don't know speaking for a lot of people, I know,

843
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Speaker 1: I hope he gives it a shot again at some point.

844
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Speaker 2: Hey, we got to take a break.

845
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Speaker 1: But when we get back, we're going to talk to

846
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Speaker 1: Steve Gooden about the legal issues surrounding this situation in

847
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Speaker 1: Minnesota and some other legal issues as well. We'll get

848
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Speaker 1: into the political stuff with him too, but mainly legal.

849
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Speaker 1: We'll do that when we get back. Mike Allen, Saturday

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Speaker 1: Midday seven, Honor WLW. Mike Allen, Saturday midday. I'll tell

851
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Speaker 1: you what we just can't seem to get rid of

852
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 1: the Jeffrey Epstein issue. You might have seen it. A

853
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: federal judge in Florida ordered to the release of grand

854
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Speaker 1: jury transcripts, which is really unusual from the mid two

855
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Speaker 1: thousands investigation into Epstein, and the Justice Department has, according

856
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Speaker 1: to AI, till December nineteenth to do that. I saw

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Speaker 1: one account said December seventeenth. Here to talk about that

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Speaker 1: in many other things is attorney Steve Gooden. Steve is

859
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Speaker 1: a partner at Porter Wright and he's got a lot

860
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Speaker 1: of experience along these lines.

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Speaker 2: Steve, thanks for calling in anytime. Mike, good morning, Good morning.

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Speaker 1: You know you know you heard what I just said, Steve,

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Speaker 1: and I think you would agree. Extremely unusual for a

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Speaker 1: judge to order a release of grand jury testimony. Your

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Speaker 1: thoughts on that as to why and what the effect.

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Speaker 6: Will be, Well, you know, I mean long term, it's

867
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 6: really hard to say what the effect will be. You know.

868
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:43,439
Speaker 6: We I think now the public knows generally what has

869
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 6: been alleged. You know, I'll be very surprised if there

870
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 6: are any real bombshells there. But you're absolutely right. I mean,

871
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 6: as you know, you know from your day's prosecuting and

872
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 6: prosecuting cases, the grand jury is supposed to be absolutely

873
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 6: and totally Yeah, I mean, the idea is to you know,

874
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 6: there are times times, I know, the joke is always

875
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 6: among lawyers that a grand jury will and die to

876
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 6: ham Sandwich, but I've seen it, and there are other

877
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 6: times when you go in there, the grand jury has questions,

878
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 6: the prosecutor develops doubts about the case, and you have

879
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 6: to have secrecy at the grand jury level because you

880
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 6: may decide and they may decide not to indict the individual.

881
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 6: So you're trying to protect the reputations of people who

882
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 6: are particularly potentially innocent, and you want the victims to

883
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,879
Speaker 6: be able to talk about what happened in a very

884
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 6: safe place. So the idea that you know that judges

885
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 6: very rarely unsealed the testimony grand jury if there is

886
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 6: a jury trial, typically the judges will unseal small portions

887
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 6: if a witness actually had talked to the grand jury

888
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 6: is going to testify again at trial. But it's just

889
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 6: one of those third rails in the American legal system

890
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 6: when it comes to criminal law, you just don't do

891
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 6: it without a great reason. But this just goes to

892
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 6: show that when the public demands things and politics come

893
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 6: into play, sometimes anymore, the rules go out the door.

894
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 6: So I'm very curious as to why the judge's order

895
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 6: really doesn't delve into it in any meaningful way. But

896
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 6: the case is closed. I believe you know, the grand

897
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 6: jury testimony that was there, much of it was never

898
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 6: actually used in the ultimate case against mister Epstein. So

899
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 6: what good this does? What the you know, what the

900
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 6: overwriting public purpose of this is. I don't know. I'll

901
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 6: be a little bit surprised if we don't see some

902
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 6: fighting back from the Justice Department, but we'll see. But

903
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 6: that you know, this is not again, not really a

904
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 6: good day. I, like everyone else, would would like to

905
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 6: know more about how this deal was cut. There's no

906
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 6: question that Epstein got a sweetheart deal. Maybe the reason

907
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 6: why he got a sweetheart deal can be found, or

908
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 6: maybe there might be some something elucidating in those transcripts

909
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 6: where we learned that either there were issues with the victims,

910
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 6: or some of the victims didn't want to go forward,

911
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 6: or their stories didn't match up, or whatever the case

912
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 6: may be. It's all speculation at this point. But this

913
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 6: is a very unusual and kind of strange day for

914
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 6: our system.

915
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, but if it puts Epstein behind us, I'm all

916
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 1: for it. And you know what, from a political perspective,

917
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 1: Steve Gooden, I mean, if there were anything that was

918
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: that harmful to Trump, don't you think we would have

919
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: known about it already.

920
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 6: Look, I will be you know, like lover hate Donald Trump.

921
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 6: I mean, there has never been anything credible that has

922
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 6: come out that he knew about the details of this

923
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 6: or well or at least participated. I mean, they're those

924
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 6: photos which are terrible. It's clearly new and the clear

925
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 6: it's clear that Trump ran in those social circles. But

926
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 6: you know, Epstein had a way of insinuating himself with

927
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,359
Speaker 6: rich and powerful people. That's what he did. I mean,

928
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 6: you know, he was clearly very close to folks like

929
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 6: you know, Bill Gates. I think you know, his relationship

930
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 6: with him, you know, it led to the demise of

931
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 6: his marriage to Melinda Gates and the splitting of their

932
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 6: huge fortune. I mean, he was very close to Bill

933
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 6: Clinton famously had that picture of Bill Clinton wearing that

934
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 6: Monica Almsky's blue dress and his entry way of his apartment.

935
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 6: He was. He just ran in those circles. So I've

936
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 6: never really seen anything lover hate Trump that really connected

937
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,280
Speaker 6: him to any criminal wrongdoing here. And if there's something,

938
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 6: if he came, the likelihood of him coming up in

939
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 6: these twenty seven year old grand jury transcripts, which I

940
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 6: seemed to from what I understand, focused primarily on Epstein's

941
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 6: activities in Florida and on his island nearby. You know,

942
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 6: I think that's that's a stretch, and maybe, you know,

943
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 6: maybe the Justice Department will be just to soon have

944
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 6: them come out to kind of clear that up. But again,

945
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 6: these are these folks, particularly some of these younger women

946
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 6: who testified before that grand jury, did so with the

947
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 6: promise that this was going to be secret, that it

948
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 6: was not going to be made public and whatever stories

949
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 6: they told, and I presume, we presume it's going to

950
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 6: be mostly you know, young victims. He testified before the

951
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 6: grand jury. You know they did so, you know, in

952
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 6: this sense that that was a safe place and they

953
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 6: could tell their stories. So I think it's kind of

954
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 6: a terrible thing, all these years later for it to

955
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 6: come out, unless you know, there's some you know, incredibly

956
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:00,439
Speaker 6: compelling reason that none of us know about.

957
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 4: Here.

958
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, And I'm looking forward to just

959
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 1: from a curiosity standpoint, what's in there. But I'm glad

960
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: it's finally going away. Hey, let me switch gears out.

961
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 1: And you're the perfect person to talk about this. You

962
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: were on city council, you're an attorney. You know how

963
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: things go. I wake up this morning two stories. Cincinnati

964
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 1: reaches eight million dollar settlement after hundreds of protestss arrested

965
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: during George Floyd protests. Were you surprised to see that, Steve,

966
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 1: I don't think that happened on your watch on council,

967
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: or maybe it did, did it?

968
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 6: Oh? Well, god, no, no, no, you know I did

969
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:39,879
Speaker 6: live that. I was actually in the process of being

970
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 6: appointed to council when the okay, when the protests were occurring.

971
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 6: I was actually still living downtown and very much lived

972
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 6: those protests, and let me tell you, they were not peaceful.

973
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,280
Speaker 6: That's one of the main reasons I moved from downtown.

974
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 6: At the time. I was living downtown with my eight

975
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 6: year old son down on Fourth Street because I had

976
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 6: two offices here that I was helping manage and deal with.

977
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 6: And I'll tell you it was. You know, the protests

978
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 6: began peaceful, but when you hear glass breaking at three

979
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 6: in the morning, I don't think that's peaceful. And when

980
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 6: you see people destroying private property, it's not peaceful. And

981
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,720
Speaker 6: what happened here was I have to give some credit

982
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 6: to former Mayor John Cranleigh. What he did was he

983
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 6: imposed it. And this is the heart of the case.

984
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 6: He imposed a curfew and said, look, you know you

985
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 6: can't you can't be out at three in the morning.

986
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 6: You can't be tearing up other people's property. That's not

987
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 6: actual protests, that's just rioting and stupidity. And he the

988
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 6: reason he put the curfew in place was and he

989
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 6: gave the officers, this team that he sent down the

990
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 6: right to arrest people for violating the curfew. So they

991
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 6: went and literally rounded up about four hundred of the

992
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,919
Speaker 6: worst of these folks, and they didn't have a place

993
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 6: for them at the Justice center, so they basically cordoned

994
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 6: off and made kind of a pen basically and made

995
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 6: them all stand around over the over the course of

996
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 6: the night while they were processing them out. So the

997
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 6: heart of the lawsuit that they spoke. Four hundred some

998
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 6: people filed a class action lawsuit that the curfew was

999
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 6: an unconstitutional restraint on their protest. I guess that they

1000
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 6: had a right to go throw rocks at three in

1001
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 6: the morning, which I think is silly. And then number two,

1002
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 6: the conditions at the jail were terrible too, So the

1003
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 6: county threw in about six and sixty five thousand dollars.

1004
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 6: The city is giving them an unconscionable and unbelievable eight

1005
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 6: million dollars just split amongst them all. Two million of

1006
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 6: course go to the lawyers. Yeah, which is sick, you know,

1007
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 6: so so and so on and and the and basically

1008
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 6: the city is forcing the police department to put new

1009
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 6: regulations in place about how to deal with protesters. But

1010
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 6: you know, at the end of the day, Columbus, Uh,

1011
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 6: it took them years to get over there George Floyd protests. Uh,

1012
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 6: because you know they I mean, I mean that their

1013
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 6: downtown was kind of decimated. Our city was not. In

1014
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 6: large part, I think the cause Cranley did stand up

1015
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 6: and had the backbone to oppose the curfew and not

1016
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 6: just impose it, but enforce it.

1017
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:56,439
Speaker 2: Uh.

1018
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 6: And I think, you know, for the folks who actually

1019
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 6: live downtown, have businesses downtown, at offices downtown, I think

1020
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 6: they were all thankful that he did what he did,

1021
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 6: and this is just a political effort to rewrite history.

1022
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 6: It's disgusting. I would note that this settlement has clearly

1023
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 6: been negotiated months before, but they waited to go after

1024
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 6: the election to announce it. And you guys are gonna

1025
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 6: have to vote on it next week. I'll be very

1026
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 6: curious if anybody of the nine council members, all of

1027
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 6: whom were all but one of whom were re elected,

1028
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 6: if any of them have the guts to at least

1029
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 6: question this. This is a terrible thing. It sends a

1030
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 6: terrible message. You know, you absolutely have a right to

1031
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 6: protest in this country, but you don't have a right

1032
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 6: to go tear up people's private property. And the absurdity

1033
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 6: of the idea that you could go break a window

1034
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 6: in Cincinnati to address alleged policeman's conduct in Minneapolis. I mean,

1035
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 6: it just doesn't even It makes no logical sense whatsoever.

1036
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know who the litigators are in the

1037
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 1: Solicitor's office anymore. Maybe they farmed this thing out, but

1038
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe they were afraid for some reason

1039
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 1: to try the case. It defies all logic to me.

1040
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 1: And I think I hear you saying the same thing

1041
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: with respect to Mayor Cranley.

1042
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 2: I could not agree with you more.

1043
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 1: The enquire Of this morning just has a couple very

1044
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: brief quotes from him. This is Mayor Cranley speaking that

1045
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 1: curfew and our police department saved our city when other

1046
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: cities were burning. And then everything I saw was of

1047
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 1: the utmost professionalism and restraint, talking about the cops and

1048
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 1: their actions saved our city. I want the record to

1049
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 1: show they did a great job. So I'm glad the mayor,

1050
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 1: a former mayor, did that, because I don't know if

1051
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 1: you saw it. Ken Gobert, FOP President, he ain't happy

1052
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 1: about it.

1053
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 2: Don't blame him. I don't blame him.

1054
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 6: Well, he's decided himself and he should be because the

1055
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 6: law department has sold out the FOP here basically, they're

1056
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 6: basically a que The settlement buys the central argument that

1057
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 6: the police officers acted unprofessionally, and there is zero evidence

1058
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 6: that I have seen of that. In fact, I wish

1059
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 6: that they had stepped in earlier. I mean, we were

1060
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 6: three really tough nights down here with the so called protests.

1061
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 6: I mean the pro I looked there were legit protests

1062
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 6: of normal people walking around and who were upset about it.

1063
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 6: I get it, I understand it. I have a lot

1064
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 6: of questions about what happened to George Floyd myself as

1065
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 6: an attorney and a former prosecutor. I mean, there's clearly

1066
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 6: things there that weren't good in the way that was

1067
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 6: handled all the way around. But the protests that spilled

1068
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 6: over into the night time, that spilled over into vandalism

1069
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 6: and property destruction and things of that nature. Thank God

1070
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 6: they came in and stepped in, And if anything, they

1071
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:37,439
Speaker 6: should have stepped in earlier, because again I was right

1072
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 6: down here at ground zero as it was occurring. And

1073
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 6: again remember this was during COVID, which is one of

1074
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 6: the great hypocrises of it all. When you know a

1075
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 6: lot of the same folks that were saying you couldn't

1076
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 6: come upin six feet of someone, But it's okay if

1077
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 6: it's about a political cause you care about. So it

1078
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 6: was a weird, weird time, and I think people need

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Speaker 6: to remember that. And I don't think they're being fair here.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think so at all in it.

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Speaker 1: It just and you couple that with I know the

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Speaker 1: fire chief is going to ring him up if who

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Speaker 1: was fired, if he didn't do that already, and Chief Thiji,

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Speaker 1: they're probably going to have to back a brinkstruck up

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Speaker 1: the city hall. She still doesn't know why she got

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Speaker 1: canned or suspendius.

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Speaker 6: Well, yeah, the law department is not covering itself in

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Speaker 6: glory these days. I mean. Look, I mean, if you

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Speaker 6: look at any of the decisions in the case, former

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Speaker 6: Chief Washington is winning his case. And I won't It

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Speaker 6: would take me too long to get into the details

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Speaker 6: of this year, but I think he is. I think

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Speaker 6: he was railroaded. And my personal opinion from what I

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Speaker 6: know about the case, and obviously I know him a bit,

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Speaker 6: so I'm biased, but I think what occurred there was

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Speaker 6: absolutely terrible. He just got on the wrong side of

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Speaker 6: these folks in terms of office politics and my personal opinion,

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Speaker 6: and they fired him and it's not going well for

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Speaker 6: them in court. They're going to have to deal with him.

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Speaker 6: And you're right, I mean, you know, chief chief, whether

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Speaker 6: I going to watch you think about the job she

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Speaker 6: ultimately did. You don't hang someone now publicly that way.

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Speaker 6: And the idea that they're doing the investigation into why

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Speaker 6: they're firing her after they put her on leave and

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Speaker 6: essentially fire here. I mean, that's that's George orwell stuff.

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Speaker 6: You know, it's like, well, we'll get around to the

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Speaker 6: you're entitled to your due process, but first let's impose

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Speaker 6: the sanction. Then we'll give you some process on the

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Speaker 6: back end and hopefully we'll find something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: So, I mean, it's a terrible way to run a city.

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Speaker 6: And you know, and it really again, it just demoralizes

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Speaker 6: the rank and file officers and firefighters as they watch

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Speaker 6: as shenanigans go on, and watch the people go through,

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Speaker 6: you know, thirty to forty year careers reach the pinnacle

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Speaker 6: of their of their profession and then just basically get

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Speaker 6: treated like garbage in public. It's a terrible, terrible thing

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Speaker 6: for the rank and file.

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Speaker 2: It really is.

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Speaker 1: And a part of this settlement apparently is they're going

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Speaker 1: to receive more training on how to handle these situations.

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Speaker 1: You know what, they already know how to handle these situations.

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Speaker 1: I think they do an incredibly professional job. I was

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Speaker 1: right in the middle of the Timid Thomas.

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Speaker 2: Riots back in the early Yes, you're thousands, and they did.

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Speaker 2: You know, they did a great job there.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes if you're going to break up something, you know,

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Speaker 1: you got to you gotta use some force. And you know,

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Speaker 1: they talk about police reform, Steve and I'm rambling here.

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Speaker 1: We got about a minute. The police aren't the ones

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Speaker 1: that need to be reformed.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I guess that's just my us.

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Speaker 6: No, not in this instance of you know, one thing

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Speaker 6: I want to throw out through the people have conveniently

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Speaker 6: forgotten that there was a police officer during the course

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Speaker 6: of the George Floyd riots in Cincinnati, Ohio who was

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Speaker 6: shot at and they got a bullet bounced off his helmet.

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Speaker 6: That's a story that people forget. I mean it, abu.

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Speaker 6: For the grace of God, that guy could have lost

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Speaker 6: his life from one of these quote unquote peaceful protesters.

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Speaker 6: Someone disturbed the firearm and he was struck by the

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Speaker 6: firearm and thank god he had his keplar and bounced off.

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Speaker 6: So I mean, I mean, these guys were out there

1144
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Speaker 6: at all hours trying to turn to put this down.

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Speaker 6: No protester that I seen was seriously injured or you know,

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Speaker 6: in the course of it. So they did a phenomenal job.

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Speaker 6: And the idea of the law department told him out

1148
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Speaker 6: is sick of it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, and I'm glad Cranley backed them up. Hey,

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Speaker 1: we're out of time here, Steve. Always appreciate you coming on.

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Speaker 6: Hey anytime, Mike, have a good Saturday, you too.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I tell you what, police reform, Police reform, police reform.

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Speaker 1: They don't need reforming. I mean, is it good that

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Speaker 1: you have training for police surprising? Heck, yeah, you can't

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Speaker 1: have too much training.

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Speaker 2: But enough of this. Oh we need they need to reform.

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Speaker 2: That's just bull crap. And I think people are getting

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Speaker 2: tired of it. I know the FOP president is, And

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Speaker 2: by the way, I'm going to try to get him

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Speaker 2: on for next Saturday. Hey, we got to take a break.

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Speaker 4: Butt.

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Speaker 1: When we get back, we're gonna talk to Janis Heisel

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Speaker 1: she filed another story I think yesterday with the situation

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Speaker 1: in Minnesota. And I'll just say it again, she was

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Speaker 1: recognized by none other than the former Speaker of the House,

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Speaker 1: Nuke Gangritch for her reporting.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk to Janis when we get back.

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Speaker 1: This radio seven hundred WLW Mike Allen an hour three

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Speaker 1: of Saturday midday.

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Speaker 2: Well, i'll tell you what. The story out.

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Speaker 1: In Minnesota just keeps on coming. And the reporter who

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Speaker 1: was commended by none other than new Gingridge for her

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Speaker 1: reporting on that, she's got a new story out.

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Speaker 2: We're going to ask her about it.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking, of course about Jameis Heisel of the Epoch Times. Jamis,

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Speaker 1: how are you doing well?

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Speaker 13: But cap dancer as fast as I can about Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: I hear you, I hear you. You know, and you

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Speaker 1: did follow that story. It looks like on Wednesday police. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to get to that later. Oversight Committee probes

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Speaker 1: alleged cover up of massive Minnesota welfare fraud kind of

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Speaker 1: updates the story. Can you kind of run down what's

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Speaker 1: happened since we talked last?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, So the House Oversight Committee, which is a fairly powerful,

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Speaker 13: you know, very powerful committee of Congress has now notified

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Speaker 13: both the governor and the Attorney General of Minnesota that

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Speaker 13: they are demanding some records, a lot of records to

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Speaker 13: be handed over by December seventeenth, to try to get

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Speaker 13: to the bottom of how in the world was this

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Speaker 13: allowed to go on with so much fraud happening.

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Speaker 5: Right under their.

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Speaker 13: Noses, and especially because according to the letter sent by

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Speaker 13: the chair of that committee, James Comer, he's saying that

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Speaker 13: there are credible reports from whistleblowers alleging that they tried

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Speaker 13: to bring out the problems, just bring them to light,

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Speaker 13: and there was actually, they say, a cover up of it.

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Speaker 13: They were telling they were telling these people in Congress

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Speaker 13: that you know and others that this has just been

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Speaker 13: ridiculu was with the amount of information that has been

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Speaker 13: held from the public. And also they're alleging that some

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Speaker 13: things were destroyed. I don't know what those things are allegedly,

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Speaker 13: but that those are some of the allegations that the

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Speaker 13: Oversight Committee is trying to get to the bottom of. Now,

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Speaker 13: what my story does not cover are some additional developments. Okay,

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Speaker 13: so the Small Business Administration of the federal government has.

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Speaker 14: Also launched its own investigation.

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Speaker 13: And according to Kelly Lossler, who heads that department, they

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Speaker 13: found a million dollars within two days of fraud related

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Speaker 13: to pandemic relief through the Small Business Administration from Minnesota.

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Speaker 14: And then in addition to that.

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Speaker 13: The Medicaid I forget its exact title, but Mehmet Oz

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Speaker 13: who ran for Senate but is now the head of

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Speaker 13: the Medicaid Services for Department.

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Speaker 14: I don't remember the exact name without looking, but he is.

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Speaker 13: Also he's also put Governor Tim Walt on notice saying, look,

1217
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Speaker 13: here are we are clamping down on restrictions of Medicaid

1218
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Speaker 13: money coming to Minnesota. He commended the governor for putting

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Speaker 13: a halt on fourteen what they call at risk programs,

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Speaker 13: which I have mentioned in a previous story. But he's

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Speaker 13: basically saying, look, if if we're not satisfied with what's

1222
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Speaker 13: going on there, and we want you to check in

1223
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Speaker 13: with us more frequently, we're going to be cutting off

1224
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Speaker 13: Medicaid money to state.

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Speaker 14: So it's coming.

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Speaker 13: At Minnesota from multiple multiple fronts, and I am actually

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Speaker 13: going there to do some on the ground reporting.

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Speaker 4: I've been speaking on.

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Speaker 13: The phone with a lot of people, but you know,

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Speaker 13: there's nothing like being there, and so I'm going to

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Speaker 13: be there I don't know how many days on a

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01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 13: reporting trip to meet with some lawmakers, with some regular folks,

1233
01:09:57,479 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 13: attend a city council meeting with that's expected to be

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01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 13: packed with immigrant advocates who are now trying to get

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Speaker 13: even more protections under that state's sanctuary sanctuary laws. And

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Speaker 13: so there's just a lot going on right now and

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Speaker 13: the massive scale of this. You mentioned Newt Greenridge a

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Speaker 13: moment ago. He actually did a column that I think

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Speaker 13: was just released yesterday saying that he believes this could

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Speaker 13: turn out to be the largest fraud case in the

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Speaker 13: United States ever.

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Speaker 1: You know what I don't know how it doesn't, janis

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01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 1: if what the whistleblowers are saying is even close to true.

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Speaker 1: I thought I heard one yesterday yesterday say he thought

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Speaker 1: it would go all the way up to six or

1246
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 1: eight billion dollars. It has to be, and it goes

1247
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Speaker 1: on underneath the nose of.

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Speaker 2: These elected officials, especially the governor.

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Speaker 1: It's just unreal. You know, one of your articles, janis

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01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 1: you're reporting. I thought I read that some notice of

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Speaker 1: this reached some responsible person as early as two thousand

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01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 1: and nine or twenty and sixteen, Am I accurately reporting that.

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Speaker 13: Yes, that's correct.

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Speaker 14: But one thing we need to keep in mind here.

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Speaker 13: Is it's not just one.

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Speaker 14: Type of fraud, right.

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Speaker 13: There are multiple schemes involved here. And the one that

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Speaker 13: I think you're referring to that kind of raised alarm

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Speaker 13: bells among the employees of the Department of Human Services

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Speaker 13: there in Minnesota the welfare office was a childcare program

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Speaker 13: where allegedly these people were claiming to provide childcare for

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Speaker 13: children who didn't exist, and so there were a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of rats that time.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, and all of that got kind of clamped down

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Speaker 13: because a lot of people cried racism.

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Speaker 2: And there was even at least one lawsuit filed.

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Speaker 13: And some courts have actually stepped in here. And in

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Speaker 13: the defense of himself, Keith Ellison did give an interview.

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Speaker 14: He's the ePIE in general for Minnesota.

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Speaker 13: He said, look, at the state level, we've actually prosecuted

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Speaker 13: several hundred people for medicaid fraud, and so in his view,

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Speaker 13: they're doing quite a bit to try to fight the fraud.

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Speaker 13: But that's not the view of the whistleblowers from what

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Speaker 13: I've been hearing. Yeah, I haven't spoken to any of them.

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Speaker 2: Yet.

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Speaker 13: But I have talked to whistleblower, to the lawmakers, a

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Speaker 13: couple of lawmakers who have had conversations with those people,

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01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:32,600
Speaker 13: and naturally they're afraid to speak to you know, just

1279
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:34,559
Speaker 13: about anybody because they don't want to lose their jobs.

1280
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Speaker 13: But they're still trying to do the right thing and

1281
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Speaker 13: come forward.

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Speaker 2: Well, and you're absolutely right about Keith Ellison. He is

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Speaker 2: the attorney general and it has been for a while

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Speaker 2: of that state. At what sticks in my crawl, janis

1285
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 2: is it seems like, at least in the early stage

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Speaker 2: of this thing, he's kind of getting a pass. He's

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01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:54,760
Speaker 2: quoted in one of your stories. I'm telling you as

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Speaker 2: an attorney general. Yeah, fraud happens, kind of offhanded remark.

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Speaker 2: Then he says we should prosecute it. Yeah, hold people

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01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 2: accountable for their individual conduct, not for their ethnicity. And

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Speaker 2: we're doing that.

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Speaker 1: It just I guess it seems like that is kind

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Speaker 1: of the default thing when somebody thinks they're in a

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Speaker 1: jam about this is Hey, wait a minute, you know

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Speaker 1: this is all racially motivated?

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Speaker 2: Is that what your eye? Jadra? A little bit? But

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Speaker 2: is that kind of what you're finding?

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Speaker 13: Well, I am hearing that a lot of the initial

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Speaker 13: reports and even later reports were kind of being shut

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Speaker 13: down because of fears of being labeled racist or things

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Speaker 13: like that.

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Speaker 14: So that's kind of.

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Speaker 13: There are several other theories out there about what could

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Speaker 13: really be fueling this, but that's probably the most prominent

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Speaker 13: one that I've been hearing.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know what, when all else fails, trot that

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Speaker 1: one out. Hey, you also did a story this week

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Speaker 1: police will not cooperate with ICE agents, talking of course

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Speaker 1: about Minneapolis police. That comes from the Minneapolis mayor. Reading

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Speaker 1: this thing, it just makes me angry, it really does.

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Speaker 1: But what's the deal with that? If you could just

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Speaker 1: break it down for us, Well, you.

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Speaker 13: Know, the city of Minneapolis is one of the sanctuary

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Speaker 13: cities that say that, you know, we won't coperate because

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Speaker 13: we are trying to protect the illegal immigrants field that

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Speaker 13: you know a lot of these people just start here

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Speaker 13: for speaking of better life, and we don't support the

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Speaker 13: federal government's crackdown on this. And actually it's one of

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Speaker 13: a number of states and cities that are state cities

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Speaker 13: and counties that the Trump administration is suing in court

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Speaker 13: over the sanctuary policies. So we'll see how that shakes out.

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Speaker 13: But that's that's in essence, what's going on here is

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Speaker 13: they're kind of reiterating and doubling down on that is

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Speaker 13: to you know, keep a separation, so to speak. And

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Speaker 13: as a matter of fact, that's going to be a

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Speaker 13: topic at a city council meeting coming up on Tuesday.

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Speaker 14: That I am planning to attend.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, where there the immigrant advocates are asking for even

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Speaker 13: more protections. They have a stronger ordinance in regard to

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Speaker 13: the sanctuary status. So that's something that I'm looking into

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Speaker 13: as well. On top of that, the mayor has also

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Speaker 13: issued what he says as an executive He called it

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Speaker 13: an executive order that they that no one is allowed

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Speaker 13: from the federal government to use city property to do

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Speaker 13: any immigration operations. Which I asked a legislator about that yesterday,

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Speaker 13: whether that was enforceable and like how what that would

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Speaker 13: look like? And I sent sought some comments from the

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Speaker 13: you know, US Department of Homeland Security on this.

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Speaker 14: I haven't heard back yet, but.

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Speaker 13: The lawmaker I so to characterize that as posturing, and

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Speaker 13: he said that he didn't think there was any way

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Speaker 13: to really enforce it, Like what are you going to do?

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Speaker 13: Have local police actually arrest the ICE Asians, So that

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Speaker 13: was his question. Yeah, he's not a lawyer, but it's interesting.

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Speaker 13: The mayor of Minneapolis, Jacob Frye, is an attorney. So

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Speaker 13: just throwing this back.

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Speaker 14: At you, Michael, Yeah, any what do you think.

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Speaker 13: Do you think that that would be an enforceable situation

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Speaker 13: with an executive order saying these federal agents.

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Speaker 14: Can't use any city owned.

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Speaker 13: Properties to conduct their immigration enforcements.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what, Janis.

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Speaker 1: You must be reading my mind, because that's what the

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Speaker 1: next thing I wanted to talk about a news conference

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Speaker 1: many and this is your reporting. Minneapolis Police Chief Brian

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Speaker 1: O'Hara and the mayor emphasize support for law abiding Somali's

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Speaker 1: and other immigrants who hold jobs and run businesses. People

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Speaker 1: who are fearful of ICE action should inform themselves about

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Speaker 1: their rights, the official said O'Hara. This, janis, I never

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Speaker 1: thought i'd see this. Chief O'Hara also said that his

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Speaker 1: officers quote absolutely have a duty to intervene close quote

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Speaker 1: if people's rights are being violated. So you know, you

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01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:22,679
Speaker 1: think in your mind's eye you kind of play that out.

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Speaker 1: I mean, cop on cop, that's what we've devolved to

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Speaker 1: and it's sad and an answer to you question, I

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Speaker 1: don't think it would be upheld, but who knows. But

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Speaker 1: I mean, is that how you're reading this? He's talking

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Speaker 1: about cop on cop.

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Speaker 13: Well, it does seem that way. I wasn't at that

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Speaker 13: news conference and didn't have an opportunity therefore to ask

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01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:47,160
Speaker 13: a follow up question. But it's something that I would

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01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:49,719
Speaker 13: like to clarify a little bit more. But I quoted

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01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:54,720
Speaker 13: what he said, and it's just been again, one thing

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01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:56,799
Speaker 13: after another. It's really hard to kind.

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Speaker 14: Of keep up with.

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Speaker 13: And just we're just at the stage where we're still

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01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:06,679
Speaker 13: trying to figure out the scale of this. Yeah, let

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01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:08,280
Speaker 13: alone the causes of it.

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Speaker 1: Yep, it's just and I'm telling you you know more

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01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 1: than me about it. Something tells me this story is

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Speaker 1: going to be around for a while, don't you think?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 13: And at the same time, the state of Minnesota has

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01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 13: just come up with its budget for next year three

1385
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:32,719
Speaker 13: billion with a bee in the hole whoa, And people

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Speaker 13: are really Minnesotans are just a lot of them are

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Speaker 13: besides themselves overall of this from.

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Speaker 1: What I've been hearing and reading, Really, I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: a good point. So it seems to you in the

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01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:51,080
Speaker 1: early stages of this thing that ordinary citizens are pretty

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01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:52,080
Speaker 1: fired up about this.

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Speaker 13: I do think that ordinary citizens kind of knew about

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01:18:56,760 --> 01:18:59,599
Speaker 13: some of it, but it kind of fell off the radar.

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01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:03,040
Speaker 13: The one expert I interviewed who has been following this

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01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:06,759
Speaker 13: for four years. There's kind of like this big splash

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01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:10,120
Speaker 13: of publicity when there were two hundred federal Asians swooped

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Speaker 13: in in early twenty twenty two from one of the scandals.

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01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:16,080
Speaker 13: Then there was like a nine month gap before anybody

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01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:18,519
Speaker 13: was charged, and so the story didn't do.

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Speaker 14: What we in the business call have legs, meaning, you know.

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Speaker 13: Just the one story, it's not going to stay in

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01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:28,479
Speaker 13: the news cycle. It's not going to stay in even

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01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:32,559
Speaker 13: the public's mind. People move on to other things. So

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01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:37,040
Speaker 13: you know, unless you have several stories one after another

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01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:40,880
Speaker 13: with developments, it's just not going to have legs. But boy,

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01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 13: this thing has a lot of legs. And I want

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01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:46,519
Speaker 13: to hear I hear this Zasy top guys singing right now,

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01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:50,800
Speaker 13: she's got a less there you go. So it's been

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01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:54,639
Speaker 13: really just just I've been writing about this. I think

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01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:57,040
Speaker 13: I've done like ten stories in the last few days.

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01:19:57,080 --> 01:20:00,799
Speaker 13: On Minneapolis. In Minnesota, it's been.

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Speaker 2: Just a lot.

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Speaker 13: And again, some of it I haven't even had a

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01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:08,320
Speaker 13: chance to really delve into, like the small business administration,

1415
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:13,120
Speaker 13: like the doctor Oz medicaid aspect of this, and so

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Speaker 13: it just continues. I have really really a lot on

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01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:18,640
Speaker 13: my plate on in Minnesota.

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01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:19,880
Speaker 2: It sure seems like it.

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Speaker 1: One final question, how is the city of Minneapolis? Do

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01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 1: you like it a good city in spite of all

1421
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 1: this stuff or not? Because something tells me you're going

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01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:32,519
Speaker 1: to be spending some time there.

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01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:35,720
Speaker 13: I was kind of jake with my husband that I

1424
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:38,040
Speaker 13: kind of need to run an apartment or something. But

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01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:44,120
Speaker 13: you know, Minnesota, the city of Minneapolis is really has

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01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:46,559
Speaker 13: a lot of very pretty features to it.

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01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 11: Lots of lakes.

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01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:50,680
Speaker 14: In fact, I think they call the state, you know,

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01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:52,720
Speaker 14: the State of ten thousand Lakes or something like that.

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01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:55,920
Speaker 13: There's lakes and things everywhere, a lot of bike trails

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01:20:55,960 --> 01:20:58,840
Speaker 13: things like that. But there, I went through some of

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01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:01,599
Speaker 13: the parts too that are it's so nice and one

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01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:05,719
Speaker 13: of the biggest problems in the downtown there's a very

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01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:10,360
Speaker 13: high vacan see rate in the office towers, and some

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01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:14,559
Speaker 13: of that is related to, you know, people working from

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01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:16,679
Speaker 13: home still you know, they got used to it during

1437
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:17,320
Speaker 13: the pandemic and.

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Speaker 14: They're still doing it.

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01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:23,439
Speaker 13: But the other thing is this concern about crime, or

1440
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:26,599
Speaker 13: at least even the perception of crime. After the George

1441
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:30,640
Speaker 13: Floyd and defund the police calls there, when you have

1442
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:33,559
Speaker 13: people who don't feel safe, they're not going to go

1443
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:36,600
Speaker 13: into some of the Metro areas, and so there is

1444
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:39,160
Speaker 13: a lot of concern about what is going to happen

1445
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:39,800
Speaker 13: there with.

1446
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:42,639
Speaker 14: These vacancy rates.

1447
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 13: And then it shifts the tax burden to the residential

1448
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:51,400
Speaker 13: property owners. So there's a lot of moving parts to

1449
01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:54,839
Speaker 13: all of this, and it's really affecting ordinary people.

1450
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:57,560
Speaker 14: And I'm just on the edge of really.

1451
01:21:57,320 --> 01:22:01,520
Speaker 13: Looking into how ordinary people are really being affected.

1452
01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 14: By all of this. And it goes to show people go,

1453
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:03,719
Speaker 14: I don't care.

1454
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:06,880
Speaker 13: About politics, Well you need to because it affects you,

1455
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:08,160
Speaker 13: whether you realize.

1456
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:08,160
Speaker 3: It or not.

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01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 1: If you know what, if a citizen is not paying

1458
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:13,920
Speaker 1: attention to this story, I mean they don't have any

1459
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:17,439
Speaker 1: right to complain about anything with respect to elections. That's

1460
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:20,640
Speaker 1: always amazed me. Hey, we're out of time. Unfortunately, I

1461
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:24,240
Speaker 1: really appreciate your coverage on this thing. Janis more importantly,

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01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:28,240
Speaker 1: your coverage that you're sharing with us. I get how

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01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:30,400
Speaker 1: lucky we are to have that, and thank you.

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01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 14: Oh I'm fortunate to share it.

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01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 13: I'm just glad that to have that opportunity and a

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01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:39,519
Speaker 13: great rapport with you, Mike, and wishing everybody a great

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01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:41,960
Speaker 13: holiday season. I'm hoping I will still be on maybe

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01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:44,160
Speaker 13: one more time before chrisas easily.

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01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:45,960
Speaker 2: Can I just count on it?

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Speaker 14: Thank you so much, take care of it.

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01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:52,639
Speaker 1: Okay, thanks Janis. I'll tell you what. She's all over it.

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01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:57,360
Speaker 1: And the reporting has been stellar and there are, like

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01:22:57,479 --> 01:23:01,599
Speaker 1: she said, so many legs to this thing. We're gonna

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01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:03,840
Speaker 1: be talking about this, I think for a long time

1475
01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:08,360
Speaker 1: to come. And again the whole damn thing screams out

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01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:13,440
Speaker 1: for that word accountability. Somebody's got to be held accountable

1477
01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:15,240
Speaker 1: for this. Hey, we got to take a break. But

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01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:19,720
Speaker 1: when we get back open lines seven four, nine, seven, one,

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01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:22,040
Speaker 1: eight hundred, the big one are the numbers. We can

1480
01:23:22,120 --> 01:23:24,479
Speaker 1: talk about anything you want, So give us a call

1481
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:29,000
Speaker 1: or you have to listen to me. Mike Allen, Saturday midday.

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01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:33,839
Speaker 10: My advisor at Plant Moran Wealth Management knows my definition

1483
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:36,639
Speaker 10: of wealthy restoring classic cars.

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01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:40,320
Speaker 1: Minutes of same gonna get to the calls here in

1485
01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:43,320
Speaker 1: just a second. I did want to make an announcement.

1486
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:46,720
Speaker 1: Peter Bronson a frequent guest on this show, and he's

1487
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:48,400
Speaker 1: going to be again. I wanted to get him on

1488
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:51,719
Speaker 1: today but ran out of space. He'll be on next week.

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01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:55,080
Speaker 1: He's out with a new book. It's called Magical History Tour,

1490
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:58,840
Speaker 1: and it's a little bit different book than Peter usually does.

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01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:03,639
Speaker 1: Five shorts stories, ten places to visit in Cincinnati if

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01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:07,120
Speaker 1: you're into Cincinnati history. We're going to have him on

1493
01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:09,880
Speaker 1: next week to talk about it. I can't wait. I

1494
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 1: have literally written or read every book that he's done.

1495
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:17,000
Speaker 1: Excellent author. I'm about a third of the way through

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01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:20,400
Speaker 1: on this one. So next week, Peter Bronson. All right,

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01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:23,400
Speaker 1: let's get to the phones, starting out with our friend

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01:24:23,479 --> 01:24:26,720
Speaker 1: Bobby Jay.

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01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:29,120
Speaker 3: Mike, thanks for taking my call. Have a great day today,

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01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:30,880
Speaker 3: and I'll make it quick. I got a couple of

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01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 3: things i'd like to make comparisons on. If I'm may

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01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:36,840
Speaker 3: Well and I want to do this one thing. I

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01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:40,439
Speaker 3: want to be objective. I want to take away the

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01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:44,000
Speaker 3: ethnic aspect out of it. Okay, take away that up

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01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:48,320
Speaker 3: in Minnesota, take it away in Cincinnati. Okay, Okay, they

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01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:52,920
Speaker 3: are all both controlled by the democratic machine. Yeah, democratic

1507
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:55,880
Speaker 3: machine that we knew in the past. It's it's full

1508
01:24:56,360 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 3: of nothing but progressive anarchist right now. So knowing that

1509
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:03,880
Speaker 3: you have to think of that way, and if you

1510
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:06,960
Speaker 3: take away the ethnic has spected of it, you have

1511
01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:11,200
Speaker 3: over seers, which is the councils. They're all controlled by

1512
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:16,080
Speaker 3: Democrat mayors. They're all controlled by Democrat councils. They're overseers.

1513
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:18,840
Speaker 3: People don't like to use that word because it brings

1514
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:22,200
Speaker 3: up thing that has to do with ethnic persuasion right

1515
01:25:22,360 --> 01:25:25,559
Speaker 3: back in the eighteen fifties and everything. It's no different

1516
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:28,800
Speaker 3: way it is now. Well, you control the cities just

1517
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:31,040
Speaker 3: like they would a twenty first century plantation.

1518
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:34,000
Speaker 2: Well, you're absolutely right about that, I mean, and it

1519
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:39,600
Speaker 2: seems to me every time there's a problem, racial or whatever,

1520
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:43,880
Speaker 2: it's a Democrat mayor. And you know what, that is

1521
01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:47,839
Speaker 2: a good comparison or a good thing to an example

1522
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:50,680
Speaker 2: to make because it's sure looking that way to me.

1523
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:54,479
Speaker 3: It's hard to say that because people don't want to

1524
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:57,400
Speaker 3: go ahead and just be honest with themselves. It's no

1525
01:25:57,520 --> 01:25:59,160
Speaker 3: different this eight million dollars.

1526
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:01,759
Speaker 6: Dogm that they're wanting to do for four hundred. P Wow.

1527
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:02,559
Speaker 6: Figure it out.

1528
01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:04,839
Speaker 3: The county is only go to pay sixty eight thousand

1529
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:07,840
Speaker 3: out of eight million. Yep, I mean out of four

1530
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:11,519
Speaker 3: hundred people in the class action lawsuit. And go ahead

1531
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:14,000
Speaker 3: and do you at eight million. Pretty nice little day,

1532
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:14,360
Speaker 3: wasn't it.

1533
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:19,120
Speaker 1: Sure is in my understanding why the county's portion of

1534
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:22,479
Speaker 1: it is so much lower than the cities'. It just

1535
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:25,240
Speaker 1: had something to do with the jail, which you know,

1536
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:28,160
Speaker 1: it's not a nice place as jails go. It's okay,

1537
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:32,200
Speaker 1: but that's apparently what they're saying with the county.

1538
01:26:32,240 --> 01:26:32,680
Speaker 6: I don't know.

1539
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 3: I got one more thing, and I'll get was there

1540
01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:40,320
Speaker 3: any type of charges and the federal courts for civil

1541
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:41,480
Speaker 3: rights violations?

1542
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:42,480
Speaker 6: No?

1543
01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:43,720
Speaker 2: No, no, there was not.

1544
01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:45,200
Speaker 6: They just none.

1545
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:47,920
Speaker 3: So these people in the county just I guess they

1546
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:50,120
Speaker 3: just take it upon themselves to say there were civil

1547
01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:53,160
Speaker 3: rights violations. There were now federal charges on anything.

1548
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:57,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess these did their job through negotiations that

1549
01:26:57,280 --> 01:27:00,480
Speaker 2: kind of thing. But I don't know, it's just it load.

1550
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:03,320
Speaker 1: And you know, I had Christopher Smithman on earlier and

1551
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:05,920
Speaker 1: he said, hey, you know, and again I don't know

1552
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:09,040
Speaker 1: all the facts. Why wouldn't the city try the case

1553
01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:13,719
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe get a verdict that they're not liable.

1554
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:16,679
Speaker 1: I don't know, but the way the city is throwing

1555
01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:20,000
Speaker 1: money away these days is just incredible.

1556
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:25,840
Speaker 3: Well, thanks for taking my time, my friend, and wish

1557
01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:27,200
Speaker 3: you well and all the listeners.

1558
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:29,320
Speaker 2: All right, thanks Bobby, Jay, appreciate it.

1559
01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:30,720
Speaker 6: Thank you, sir.

1560
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:35,120
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a nice chunk of change, I mean for

1561
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:37,920
Speaker 2: going to a peaceful demonstration.

1562
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:43,439
Speaker 1: Hey, let's talk to Jeff in Xenia. Hey, good morning, Jeff, good.

1563
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:44,639
Speaker 6: Morning, my great show.

1564
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:47,639
Speaker 15: Hey, I just wanted to say also too, I lived

1565
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:49,599
Speaker 15: up in Maine for about ten years and they had

1566
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:55,160
Speaker 15: a huge Somali population. Really oh yeah, I mean at

1567
01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:58,080
Speaker 15: the time it was probably one of the largest in

1568
01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:02,000
Speaker 15: the United States before Minnesota sorted wanting it en up

1569
01:28:02,280 --> 01:28:05,680
Speaker 15: importing a lot. And if you got to yeah, well,

1570
01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:08,760
Speaker 15: if you've got to contact with Janice, the girl that

1571
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:11,479
Speaker 15: we had all from epic times, you might want to

1572
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:15,000
Speaker 15: mention that to her at some point because uh.

1573
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:14,840
Speaker 2: You never know.

1574
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:18,400
Speaker 15: Yeah, well, I mean you don't hear a lot about

1575
01:28:18,439 --> 01:28:20,840
Speaker 15: Maine because it's so far out of the way up

1576
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:24,760
Speaker 15: there and it's such a small population. But you know,

1577
01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:27,599
Speaker 15: news does travel fast. From money's involved.

1578
01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:28,679
Speaker 2: Well, sure it does.

1579
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:32,639
Speaker 1: And the community where you're talking about, are they all

1580
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:35,439
Speaker 1: abiding for the most part? Uh, that kind of thing,

1581
01:28:35,479 --> 01:28:37,639
Speaker 1: because I never I never heard anything about it.

1582
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:41,120
Speaker 15: Well they were, But when I was up there, I

1583
01:28:41,160 --> 01:28:43,680
Speaker 15: just found it really odd that you'd take people out

1584
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:47,000
Speaker 15: of Sub Saharan Africa and bring them up to, you know,

1585
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:49,200
Speaker 15: a fairly cold area because we get anywhere from two

1586
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:52,559
Speaker 15: to six feet of snow up there. And uh, it

1587
01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:54,799
Speaker 15: was I mean they had taken over. I mean they

1588
01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:57,639
Speaker 15: they had a lot of businesses there everything, and I'm

1589
01:28:57,640 --> 01:28:59,720
Speaker 15: not sure what the numbers were, but said when I

1590
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:02,240
Speaker 15: was up and I was from twenty six to sixteen

1591
01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:05,960
Speaker 15: at the time, it was quite a large population up there,

1592
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:09,200
Speaker 15: and they had some other funny business going on to

1593
01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:11,600
Speaker 15: that I could talk to you off the air or

1594
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:13,719
Speaker 15: get a hold of you, because there were some things

1595
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:18,679
Speaker 15: going on up there that basically just got overlooked because

1596
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:22,120
Speaker 15: it's just not a it's a fairly closed.

1597
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:22,599
Speaker 6: Society up there.

1598
01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:25,120
Speaker 15: They don't like a lot of outsiders as because I

1599
01:29:25,160 --> 01:29:27,160
Speaker 15: was always called I was from away. I was never

1600
01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:30,760
Speaker 15: considered a maner. I was always from away, okay, And

1601
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:31,920
Speaker 15: it's just.

1602
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:32,720
Speaker 6: The way things work.

1603
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:35,559
Speaker 15: Up there, but it might be something she might if

1604
01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:37,240
Speaker 15: I mean, not that she needs a little more work

1605
01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 15: to do, but it might be something she puts on

1606
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:41,400
Speaker 15: her radar at some point, because you never know.

1607
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:45,480
Speaker 1: I will definitely definitely tell her that. And I appreciate

1608
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:46,280
Speaker 1: you filling us in.

1609
01:29:46,439 --> 01:29:48,439
Speaker 2: Jeff, Hey, have a great day, Mike.

1610
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:53,439
Speaker 1: Okay, you too, Thank you. All right, let's go to Fred. Hey, Fred,

1611
01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:57,080
Speaker 1: Hey morning, thanks for good morning. Good morning.

1612
01:29:57,120 --> 01:30:01,640
Speaker 6: Hey. I appreciate you taking my call. Great show is

1613
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:02,400
Speaker 6: always you have.

1614
01:30:02,439 --> 01:30:06,160
Speaker 16: Fantastic people on and you really hit the important things.

1615
01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:08,040
Speaker 6: And the only thing to me.

1616
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:11,320
Speaker 16: That makes it all make sense is that this is

1617
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:17,120
Speaker 16: just another tentacle of an organized crime organization that is

1618
01:30:17,160 --> 01:30:19,280
Speaker 16: simply looking for every different way.

1619
01:30:19,120 --> 01:30:20,599
Speaker 6: It can to skim money.

1620
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:24,200
Speaker 16: The whole sexcapades and everything else going on with that

1621
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:26,840
Speaker 16: is simply to keep people in line and to keep

1622
01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:30,560
Speaker 16: them interested. But everything goes back to money in Minnesota,

1623
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:34,679
Speaker 16: in Cincinnati and everything behind the scenes. They're simply trying

1624
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:37,320
Speaker 16: to find a new way to skim every moment of it.

1625
01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:39,479
Speaker 16: And the only way it makes sense is that that's

1626
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:44,719
Speaker 16: a conspiracy to further these things, and the other rest

1627
01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:47,920
Speaker 16: of it is simply to keep you look in other places.

1628
01:30:48,240 --> 01:30:51,599
Speaker 16: Oh it's racial. Oh it's this, Oh it's that, It isn't.

1629
01:30:51,640 --> 01:30:54,280
Speaker 16: The Only thing it is is money. How do we

1630
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:56,720
Speaker 16: take it? How do we get more power? How do

1631
01:30:56,800 --> 01:30:57,839
Speaker 16: we take more money?

1632
01:30:58,160 --> 01:30:58,360
Speaker 6: Well?

1633
01:30:58,400 --> 01:31:00,280
Speaker 1: You know what I think, is this thing goes on,

1634
01:31:00,680 --> 01:31:03,479
Speaker 1: You're probably right they'll find some kind of organized crime

1635
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:07,160
Speaker 1: aspect to it. Maybe not their traditional mafia, I doubt that,

1636
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:11,960
Speaker 1: but this thing screams out to be in federal court,

1637
01:31:12,439 --> 01:31:14,960
Speaker 1: not state court, which I guess some of them were

1638
01:31:15,280 --> 01:31:18,640
Speaker 1: initially put there. I hope, and I think at some

1639
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:20,840
Speaker 1: point it'll end up in federal court.

1640
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:24,519
Speaker 16: Well, look at the Cincinnati thing with this payoff that

1641
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:28,479
Speaker 16: they're making right now. Goodness, well that makes a whole

1642
01:31:28,479 --> 01:31:31,280
Speaker 16: lot of sense, though when you make it a national

1643
01:31:31,360 --> 01:31:36,439
Speaker 16: situation with the elections coming up this coming year, and

1644
01:31:36,439 --> 01:31:39,639
Speaker 16: that they need these people back on the street causing trouble.

1645
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:40,760
Speaker 6: So this is a.

1646
01:31:40,720 --> 01:31:44,080
Speaker 16: Perfect way to pay them off. You got four hundred

1647
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:47,960
Speaker 16: experienced rioters that are now going to have pockets full

1648
01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:51,080
Speaker 16: of money, and when they're called to come out in

1649
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:55,040
Speaker 16: the summer and start causing trouble again, they're going to

1650
01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:57,599
Speaker 16: do it willingly, thinking they're going to get paid off again.

1651
01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:00,400
Speaker 2: Well, they got job experience at that point. Right.

1652
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:03,439
Speaker 1: I've read a number of things where not all of them,

1653
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:06,639
Speaker 1: but a great number of these protesters are being paid

1654
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:08,320
Speaker 1: by someone.

1655
01:32:08,640 --> 01:32:13,040
Speaker 16: Oh there's no question about it, and I know that

1656
01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:17,320
Speaker 16: for a fact. Well, but they are most certainly getting

1657
01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:20,439
Speaker 16: paid off. And that's what the whole thing is. It's

1658
01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:24,040
Speaker 16: it isn't the traditional mafia, you know, it is the

1659
01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:27,400
Speaker 16: elusive deep state. And the more you produce for that,

1660
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:30,840
Speaker 16: the more you're the more you're capo's and everybody else

1661
01:32:30,880 --> 01:32:34,160
Speaker 16: above you will will appreciate you being a good earner.

1662
01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:38,080
Speaker 16: It's the same thing as the mafia, but it's just

1663
01:32:39,040 --> 01:32:41,559
Speaker 16: you know, it's controlled nationally, and that's what's going on

1664
01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:44,559
Speaker 16: with the Somalis. It's what's going on with everybody. But

1665
01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:49,560
Speaker 16: if you if you keep pointing your finger at racism, racism, homophobe,

1666
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:54,599
Speaker 16: it just is done to keep more smoke and mirrors going.

1667
01:32:54,800 --> 01:32:59,000
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you I appreciate the call, Fred, appreciate

1668
01:32:59,040 --> 01:33:00,000
Speaker 2: you taking Okay.

1669
01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:04,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, he talked about screaming racism. What's that, Sally, there's

1670
01:33:04,720 --> 01:33:08,559
Speaker 1: a saying it's the last vestige of a scoundrel. Just

1671
01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:13,240
Speaker 1: to throw that out. It's lost virtually all of its meaning.

1672
01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:16,240
Speaker 1: And it's a shame because I believe there are real

1673
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:21,120
Speaker 1: racists in the world, and some in this country, of

1674
01:33:21,280 --> 01:33:25,599
Speaker 1: both races, but so minute in number.

1675
01:33:26,280 --> 01:33:31,880
Speaker 2: It's just, you know, nobody gets anywhere piggybacking on that. Maybe, oh,

1676
01:33:32,120 --> 01:33:35,800
Speaker 2: islamophobe that might have a little bit more cachet to it,

1677
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:38,240
Speaker 2: who knows. I don't care what they call me. Hey,

1678
01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:42,880
Speaker 2: let's talk to Tony in Westchester. Thank you, Mike for

1679
01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:47,360
Speaker 2: taking my call, my pleasure, and then you do put.

1680
01:33:47,240 --> 01:33:51,600
Speaker 4: On a grand, I mean grand show, and all.

1681
01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:55,640
Speaker 11: The people that's called in I feel.

1682
01:33:57,600 --> 01:33:58,880
Speaker 6: Lower than them.

1683
01:33:59,080 --> 01:34:01,439
Speaker 3: I don't know why, all right, because I'm just a

1684
01:34:01,560 --> 01:34:02,439
Speaker 3: simple man.

1685
01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:03,439
Speaker 6: Yep.

1686
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:08,240
Speaker 1: No, I appreciate that, and I appreciate the call too, Tony,

1687
01:34:08,360 --> 01:34:12,439
Speaker 1: thank you. I don't know where to Tony's called before,

1688
01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:14,960
Speaker 1: great guy, but I just don't know where he was

1689
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:15,599
Speaker 1: going on that.

1690
01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:20,200
Speaker 2: Hey, let's talk to Kate. Hey, Kate, how you doing.

1691
01:34:21,080 --> 01:34:24,200
Speaker 17: I'm doing okay. I just want to know where do

1692
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:28,040
Speaker 17: I sign up to start my class action suit from

1693
01:34:28,280 --> 01:34:34,880
Speaker 17: twenty twenty. Because I watched the Democrats in Lockstep, bow

1694
01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:38,920
Speaker 17: and scrape in front of the Zolensky promised to send money.

1695
01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:40,439
Speaker 18: Everywhere, but to the US.

1696
01:34:41,080 --> 01:34:43,960
Speaker 17: I felt threatened by a president who came onto the

1697
01:34:44,200 --> 01:34:47,840
Speaker 17: television saying that they were losing their patients because we

1698
01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:52,439
Speaker 17: weren't taking the vaccine that was misrepresented and full of

1699
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:57,519
Speaker 17: holes as far as even biological accuracy.

1700
01:34:57,760 --> 01:34:59,160
Speaker 2: And that's coming out now.

1701
01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:05,320
Speaker 17: I am feeling, like, you know, I've got revisiting post

1702
01:35:05,320 --> 01:35:06,960
Speaker 17: traumatic stress at this point.

1703
01:35:07,680 --> 01:35:08,880
Speaker 11: I've never up.

1704
01:35:08,840 --> 01:35:12,960
Speaker 17: Until then, bought a gun. I bought weapons, I bought ammo.

1705
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:17,840
Speaker 17: I'm in a peaceful Midwestern suburb, and I was concerned

1706
01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:21,680
Speaker 17: that these blm peaceful protest rioters were going to be

1707
01:35:21,720 --> 01:35:25,360
Speaker 17: coming into our neighborhoods dragging us out of our houses.

1708
01:35:26,439 --> 01:35:27,880
Speaker 14: Who do I go see about this?

1709
01:35:28,040 --> 01:35:31,559
Speaker 17: I am just thinking about it, and I'm so angry

1710
01:35:31,800 --> 01:35:34,080
Speaker 17: for what they put me through. There's got to be

1711
01:35:34,120 --> 01:35:35,360
Speaker 17: other people feeling this.

1712
01:35:35,320 --> 01:35:38,320
Speaker 2: Way, and I understand that too, And I don't put

1713
01:35:38,320 --> 01:35:41,200
Speaker 2: anything past anybody or any group anymore.

1714
01:35:41,560 --> 01:35:43,880
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's kind of a wild West

1715
01:35:43,920 --> 01:35:46,519
Speaker 1: out there. As far as a legal basis for it.

1716
01:35:46,479 --> 01:35:50,320
Speaker 2: I don't know that you have that yet, but a

1717
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:53,160
Speaker 2: lot of people are thinking like you're thinking, Kate.

1718
01:35:55,240 --> 01:35:56,559
Speaker 4: I would love to.

1719
01:35:57,000 --> 01:35:59,560
Speaker 17: Stay in touch with that Mike, I appreciate your programs

1720
01:35:59,560 --> 01:36:02,639
Speaker 17: and thank you for taking my call. I just revisit

1721
01:36:02,920 --> 01:36:07,760
Speaker 17: those theoretical or supposed lawmakers in DC at that time,

1722
01:36:08,680 --> 01:36:12,800
Speaker 17: and the whole sums up to theater, the word that

1723
01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:16,679
Speaker 17: started being used, and it was all theater. They nearly

1724
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:21,240
Speaker 17: ruined the country. They you know, when Trump was in

1725
01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:24,439
Speaker 17: the first time, they undermined him at every turn.

1726
01:36:24,680 --> 01:36:24,920
Speaker 6: Yep.

1727
01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:29,200
Speaker 17: Well nobody seems to. It doesn't come up very much anymore.

1728
01:36:29,240 --> 01:36:32,080
Speaker 17: Nobody revisits and says, excuse me, remember all this crap

1729
01:36:32,160 --> 01:36:32,960
Speaker 17: they put us through.

1730
01:36:33,400 --> 01:36:35,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, And you know what, I'm glad you

1731
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:36,360
Speaker 2: said that.

1732
01:36:36,760 --> 01:36:39,640
Speaker 1: You're right, because I think the average voter has a

1733
01:36:39,720 --> 01:36:44,360
Speaker 1: damn short memory, you know, and Trump can be abrasive

1734
01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:48,240
Speaker 1: and he can't you know, honk people off. Look at

1735
01:36:48,280 --> 01:36:52,920
Speaker 1: the results though, look at the results. But people have

1736
01:36:52,960 --> 01:36:55,160
Speaker 1: a short memory, especially people that go to vote.

1737
01:36:56,400 --> 01:36:57,400
Speaker 2: Maybe we made a.

1738
01:36:57,400 --> 01:37:01,840
Speaker 17: Video compilation of Nancy tearing up his speech, of her

1739
01:37:02,160 --> 01:37:07,280
Speaker 17: sarcastic little clap, undermining him, trying to impeach him. Yep,

1740
01:37:07,800 --> 01:37:11,800
Speaker 17: the whole Biden crime family, you know, on and on.

1741
01:37:12,040 --> 01:37:14,080
Speaker 17: You know where I'm going. It just needs to be

1742
01:37:14,280 --> 01:37:17,759
Speaker 17: got up in a nice video compumation to remind people.

1743
01:37:17,840 --> 01:37:19,160
Speaker 2: I get it, Kate, Hey, I got to go.

1744
01:37:19,200 --> 01:37:21,519
Speaker 1: I got one more caller, I gotta get in uh

1745
01:37:21,640 --> 01:37:24,400
Speaker 1: SETI in Columbus. Hey, thanks for hanging in there with us.

1746
01:37:24,479 --> 01:37:26,680
Speaker 1: What you got and you got to be quick. Unfortunately,

1747
01:37:27,680 --> 01:37:28,200
Speaker 1: all right.

1748
01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:28,960
Speaker 6: Mike, real quick.

1749
01:37:29,160 --> 01:37:30,200
Speaker 11: Uh.

1750
01:37:29,960 --> 01:37:34,719
Speaker 18: The Somali investigation in Minnesota needs to needs to boil

1751
01:37:34,760 --> 01:37:39,120
Speaker 18: over into Columbus where we have a extremely an extremely

1752
01:37:39,200 --> 01:37:40,960
Speaker 18: large population of Somali's.

1753
01:37:41,400 --> 01:37:44,360
Speaker 2: Somebody told me that it's.

1754
01:37:44,200 --> 01:37:47,120
Speaker 18: I'm telling you, Mike, and our governor yesterday disappointed me

1755
01:37:47,240 --> 01:37:50,080
Speaker 18: yet again. He got on he made a a I

1756
01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:52,400
Speaker 18: guess it was a press release or something, and he

1757
01:37:52,479 --> 01:37:55,160
Speaker 18: didn't say, Ohio is looking into it or anything.

1758
01:37:55,200 --> 01:37:56,080
Speaker 9: He just said.

1759
01:37:57,360 --> 01:38:00,559
Speaker 18: Our Somali population are all good people or something like that.

1760
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:03,439
Speaker 18: And I'm not I'm not doubting that. I'm just saying,

1761
01:38:03,880 --> 01:38:06,320
Speaker 18: if they're looking at one city, they need to look

1762
01:38:06,360 --> 01:38:09,919
Speaker 18: at all the cities and and see if this problem,

1763
01:38:10,240 --> 01:38:12,759
Speaker 18: which is did I hear you correctly?

1764
01:38:12,840 --> 01:38:14,080
Speaker 6: Eight billion with a beat?

1765
01:38:14,200 --> 01:38:16,559
Speaker 1: Well that's what That's what some of the one at

1766
01:38:16,640 --> 01:38:20,000
Speaker 1: least one whistleblower is saying. It could get up to

1767
01:38:21,000 --> 01:38:25,160
Speaker 1: six to eight billion, which is just astounding.

1768
01:38:25,240 --> 01:38:27,519
Speaker 18: That and imagine you put that in two or three

1769
01:38:27,560 --> 01:38:29,920
Speaker 18: other cities, and you know there's going to be more.

1770
01:38:30,439 --> 01:38:30,639
Speaker 6: Uh.

1771
01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:31,960
Speaker 3: That's I don't know.

1772
01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:35,400
Speaker 18: My I hope Ohio, I hope Governor de Wine or

1773
01:38:35,439 --> 01:38:38,439
Speaker 18: whoever is looking. I guess it's the FEDS that are looking.

1774
01:38:38,479 --> 01:38:38,960
Speaker 6: I hope they.

1775
01:38:39,400 --> 01:38:41,120
Speaker 18: I hope they looking at their Columbus.

1776
01:38:41,200 --> 01:38:44,240
Speaker 2: Well, I think we're at the tip of the iceberg.

1777
01:38:44,280 --> 01:38:47,519
Speaker 2: I appreciate the call. I gotta get going, though, Buddy, Okay,

1778
01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:48,639
Speaker 2: you know what.

1779
01:38:50,040 --> 01:38:53,040
Speaker 1: This thing, you know, as Jannis said, it's got legs

1780
01:38:53,080 --> 01:38:55,960
Speaker 1: and we haven't heard the last of this by any

1781
01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:58,920
Speaker 1: stretch of the imagination. Hey, I'm out of time, which

1782
01:38:58,960 --> 01:39:02,640
Speaker 1: means I'm out out here. Mike Allens seven hundred WLW