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Speaker 1: Happy Tuesday, some VA and that's the way the news go.

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Speaker 1: Yes it is. Brian Thomas started here glad to be hope.

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Speaker 1: You are having a decent morning. Hope, so anyway you

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Speaker 1: Wish you the best on that one coming up stick

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Speaker 1: around all morning. FLP President Can Coverer is going to

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Speaker 1: join the show. Perfect timing. Joe Strecker, thank you very

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Speaker 1: much for reaching out to Can Cover because police are

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Speaker 1: facing a six point six million dollar cut in their budget. Joe,

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Speaker 1: wasn't it? Last week the SINCINNTI Council passed the resolution

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Speaker 1: approving eight million dollars for a new music venue, that

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Speaker 1: that they had financing for and funding for even without

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Speaker 1: the City of Cincinnati's resources period. End of story. And

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Speaker 1: then along came the City of Cincinnati throwing eight million

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Speaker 1: just checking curious do elections have consequences? Where's Christopher Smithman

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Speaker 1: when you need him to double down on a spleen

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Speaker 1: that anyhow, FLb president can cover six thirty on the

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Speaker 1: budget cuts and can we afford a budget cut for

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Speaker 1: the City of Cincinnati. Guess where the money is going

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Speaker 1: to come from? Right, not filling position vacancies, meaning the

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Speaker 1: continued of police officers is probably going to be down

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Speaker 1: That's ken Kober's topic at six point thirty, followed by

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Speaker 1: Steve Gooden, former councilman. Steve Gooden and our uh, well,

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Speaker 1: but our legal expert Steve Gooden, former countsman, he's going

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Speaker 1: oh five, followed by Tom Zawistowski from We the People

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Speaker 1: Convention dot org. Apparently viveg Ramaswam. He's got a plan

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Speaker 1: for property taxes. Tom's going to talk about that. That's

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Speaker 1: a big topic in the state of Ohio, considering the

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Speaker 1: Inside Scoop It is Tuesday, every Tuesday at eight oh

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Speaker 1: five The Inside Scoop Today the return of the immigration

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Speaker 1: editor John Bender. National media ignoring the illegals committing crimes

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Speaker 1: against citizens. Yes they are, Daniel Davis deep dive. Of course,

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Speaker 1: we'll be talking about the Iranians. I noted that Spain, hey,

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Speaker 1: NATO ALI ally Ali NATO ally, is now refusing the

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Speaker 1: connection with the war with Iran period, end of story.

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Speaker 1: They have a rather leftist socialist administration there and they

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Speaker 1: broader problem, the City of Cincinnati projected and twenty nine

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Speaker 1: as relayed by Seth Walsh, roads, snow removal, police and fire. Joe,

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Speaker 1: off the funding from the state. This was fifteen years ago.

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Speaker 1: Fifteen years ago, and they're still complaining about it. City

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Speaker 1: pattern observations, Marien, have you thought about this one that

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Speaker 1: financial planning cuts, perhaps to their unbelievably ridiculous overspending and

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Speaker 1: in twenty eleven, Governor Kasik, remember that slash the local

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Speaker 1: governments share of the state income tax? Boy or whaling

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Speaker 1: gnashing of teeth. Hey, we're going back fifteen years. Have

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't count on it. According to Kramating, a city

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Speaker 1: They took all that money apparently that was going to

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Speaker 1: City of Cincinnati funds. All these NGOs Todd Zenzers identified

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Speaker 1: they didn't do any of that. They just I guess

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Speaker 1: games with our capital budget. That's very candid of him.

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Speaker 1: So City Manager American have to present their recommendation for

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Speaker 1: Going back to Kramating, I thought this was a rather

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Speaker 1: interesting and telling statement. Well, he doesn't expect cuts to

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Speaker 1: the new reality. Well, I guess he doesn't see this

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Speaker 1: Really will that impact any human being within the city

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Speaker 1: No, well, lean times, call for action, in appropriate action.

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Speaker 1: What's the most important thing for the residents of the

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Speaker 1: city of Citi today? Roads? Nor remove a police and fire. Okay,

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Speaker 1: How's he going to do it? Accord to the reporting,

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Speaker 1: This is what Henny said, pushed the current recruit recruit

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Speaker 1: report said about eight o'clock in the morning, a truck

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Speaker 1: carrying a livestock trailer containing four sheep reportedly stolen from

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Speaker 1: the Holiday Inn. Online posts from the possible owner states

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Speaker 1: of the truck had been recovered, but the trailer and

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Speaker 1: all four sheep were still missing. Trailer described as a

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Speaker 1: silver Cimarron Show Star trailer, estimated is sixty five thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars value, with the sheep being worth around thirty eight

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Speaker 1: hundred dollars for four sheep. They do have callers identifying

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Speaker 1: them and their numbers are listed in the news reporting,

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Speaker 1: which I will not list the sheep, encouraging anybody familiar

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Speaker 1: with the incident called nine to one one immediately. What

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Speaker 1: is this comment about Pappis? Just got back from Indie coincidence.

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Speaker 4: There's no flag for us.

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Speaker 1: That's your writing, isn't it, Joe Pappis who you referred to?

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Speaker 1: You wouldn't mean former Anderson Township trustee Drew Pappas when

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Speaker 1: you wrote that? Would you just asking for for Drew?

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Speaker 1: Here's an odd one. Got a Louisiana man and census

446
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Speaker 1: thirty sentence thirty years in prison for killing and dismembering

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00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 1: his girlfriend, whose headless torso was found stuffed in a

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Speaker 1: freezer inside an old bus on his property. Distre Court

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Speaker 1: Judge Benedict Willard ordered Benjamin Beale thirty eight, to serve

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Speaker 1: the sentence in a state correctional facility for killing Julia

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Speaker 1: Darter handed down the sentence after Bill, who had initially

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Speaker 1: been charged with murder, reached the deal with prosecutors, pleading

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Speaker 1: guilty to manslaughter. Reportedly been facing a maximum sentence of

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Speaker 1: forty years initially reported. She was initially reported missing by

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Speaker 1: family members in December of twenty one. The following month,

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Speaker 1: authorities executor to search were on on Bill's home. Investigators

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Speaker 1: coming through the property found an old blue bus secured

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Speaker 1: with a padlock, parked in the backyard of the home.

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Speaker 1: According to the AFFIDAVI, investigators utilized the key to unlock

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Speaker 1: the padlock and made entry into the bus. Upon opening

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Speaker 1: the lid of the freezer, investigators deserved the headless torso

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Speaker 1: of what appeared to be an adult human female, a

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Speaker 1: deep linear cut visible along the left shoulder upper arm area,

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Speaker 1: which appeared to have been inflicted post mortem.

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Speaker 2: Do what the hell?

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Speaker 1: That ice chest and the property also contained a reciprocating

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Speaker 1: saw that authorities said appeared to have bits of flesh

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Speaker 1: and fluid on the blade. After the search. In Orleans,

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Speaker 1: NBC affidavit WDSU local news report of the victim was

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Speaker 1: the female who had been completely severed. Station also said

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Speaker 1: that Darter and bel had been dating, but we're having

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Speaker 1: relationship problems when she went missing. Thank you Joe. He

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Speaker 1: also found a hidden meth lab inside Bill's home after

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Speaker 1: finding her remains, kerosene glass dishes, white powder, pro pane,

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Speaker 1: a Coleman grill, and acid tone. Arrested in transport of

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Speaker 1: the New Orleans Police Department headquarters. Reportedly refused to cooperate

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Speaker 1: with investigators, provide a statement, or answer any questions about

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Speaker 1: the body or the alleged drug lab. Booked into the

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Speaker 1: New Orleans Parish jail schedule to go to trial for

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Speaker 1: her murder in August by forty six. Sorry about that.

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Speaker 1: That would be my coffee buck stick around. More stupid

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Speaker 1: coming up after I mentioned the talk station. It's five

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Speaker 1: point fifty one fifty five KERSD talk station. Happy Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: Sack of stupid Going to Maine where seventy one year

485
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Speaker 1: old man has been accused of killing his best friend,

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Speaker 1: allegedly stabbing this sixty four year old man several times

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Speaker 1: and leaving his body lying just a few feet from

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Speaker 1: where he was watching TV inside his apartment when the

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Speaker 1: police showed up. Gary Brinson facing one kind of intentional

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Speaker 1: or knowing murder in the twenty twenty four slaying of

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Speaker 1: Lee Rona. Both men described as combat veterans, living the

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Speaker 1: same apartment and regularly getting together to drink alcohol and

493
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Speaker 1: forget about their PTSD Portland, Spring based local news there

494
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Speaker 1: reporting that both men reportedly split more than a gallon

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Speaker 1: of bourbon and more than twenty beers before Rona was killed.

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Speaker 1: Holy crap. He reportedly called nine to one one, telling

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Speaker 1: me the dispatcher, I got a dead guy laying on

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Speaker 1: my bed. Asked by the dispatcher if he killed Rona,

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Speaker 1: Brinson reportedly denied and saying why would I kill my

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Speaker 1: best friend. One of the first responding officers testify in

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Speaker 1: court that when he entered the home, Brinson was sitting

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Speaker 1: in a chair, holding a bottle of bourbon and watching television.

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Speaker 1: Quote within arm's reach close quote of the friend's corpse

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Speaker 1: officer speaking with the court. There's blood everywhere in the apartment,

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Speaker 1: on the floor, over on the bed, the bed sheath,

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Speaker 1: the walls, and he was just sitting there watching TV

507
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Speaker 1: like nothing was wrong. Autopsy conducted by the examiner reportedly

508
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Speaker 1: found Rona suffered nearly one hundred and fifty shallow skin

509
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Speaker 1: level puncture rooms five deeper stab wounds in the back.

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Speaker 1: Do what the hell? Also revealed a fractured spine and

511
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Speaker 1: several fractured ribs. Medical examiner determined rose manner of death

512
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Speaker 1: be homicide and the cause of death to be multiple

513
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Speaker 1: sharp and blunt force injuries. Brinson at the police department

514
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Speaker 1: and told investigators he would have been better off and

515
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Speaker 1: if he had just thrown the body in the dumpster.

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Speaker 1: His words, Police said Brinson was clearly intoxicated. Next day,

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Speaker 1: Brinton reportedly spoke to detectives and a hope in his

518
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Speaker 1: hotel room, made several statements, including quote, They've got me,

519
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Speaker 1: I've done it. I'm going to jail. Hotel room where

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00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: he was staying at the time, had been paid for

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Speaker 1: by the department because brinson home was being processed as

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Speaker 1: a crime scene. If they don't have a lock up,

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Speaker 1: Brinson levely said a stepdaughter a test message text message

524
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Speaker 1: saying he quote beat the S word out of my lee,

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Speaker 1: apologizing to her before adding a side I thought was

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Speaker 1: over with his back, huh this he's got some demons

527
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Speaker 1: running around his head. Defense attorney argued that Berinston likely

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Speaker 1: so drunk he would have been unable to act in

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Speaker 1: an intentional manner that is a critical component of the

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Speaker 1: intentional murder charge. Defense attorney said, we expect you to

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Speaker 1: learn that intoxication may create reasonable doubt that a defendant

532
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Speaker 1: is acting in an intentional or no intentional or knowing way.

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00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: You may find out that the defendant's level of intoxication

534
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: undermined the state's ability to establish beyond reasonable doubt. Prosecutors

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Speaker 1: assert that alcohol only stoked the anger, since an attorney said,

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Speaker 1: with the evidence taken all together, compels one conclusion in

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00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: an alcohol fueled rage, Benson beat his drinking buddy to death,

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Speaker 1: and you should find him guilty of intentional and knowing murder.

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00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: A gallon of bourbon and twenty beers. It doesn't say

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Speaker 1: over what period of time, but I mean, how many

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Speaker 1: weeks would that last the normal person? Five fifty five?

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Speaker 1: Fifty five cares? That's just stack is stupid. What can

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Speaker 1: I say? Fifty five cares? The detalk station don't go

544
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Speaker 1: away because after the top of the airnews we got

545
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Speaker 1: some time before we get to the bottom of the

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Speaker 1: r FOP President Ken Kober. Can the police handle a

547
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: six point six million dollar cut in the budget that's

548
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Speaker 1: coming their way? Steve Gooden on the budget as well.

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Speaker 1: He'll be on at seven oh five about the twenty

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Speaker 1: nine and a half million dollar hole the city finds

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Speaker 1: itself in. Plus Tom Zawastowski in the seven o'clock hour

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Speaker 1: as well. Stick around be right back after the news

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Speaker 1: talkstation six six to fifty five Karasee the talkstation, Happy Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: If you can see it, listen to lunch tomorrow. Liberty

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Speaker 1: Collective is where we're going to be, Liberty Township. Great place.

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00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: Lisa sounds like I'm looking forward to trying for the

557
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Speaker 1: first time a whole bunch of different restaurants and options

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00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 1: for food and thirty beers which you can self serve.

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00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: I like you bringing that up because I think it's

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00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: a good idea. That'll be tomorrow about eleven thirty Liberty

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Speaker 1: Collective and just search for Liberty. I think the website

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00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: is Liberty dash Collective dot com. But if you just

563
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: seen Liberty Collective restaurants, you'll find it. Liberty Township, Ohio.

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00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: Coming out bottom of the our FLP President Kencobe apparently

565
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: the City of Sin Saint's facing a massive budget deficit

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Speaker 1: which is going to go on into the future. According

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Speaker 1: to Jeff cramert encouncement. Karramitting says this is the norm

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Speaker 1: from now on his not his words, mind, twenty nine

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Speaker 1: point five million dollar budget deficit and they're talking about

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Speaker 1: potential across the board five percent cuts, which ment infested

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Speaker 1: itself in a specific cut. Turning to the police department

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Speaker 1: specifically six point six million dollar budget cut potential inner

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Speaker 1: Police Chief Adam Hanny proposed somewhere these cuts might come from,

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Speaker 1: and FLP President Ken Cobra at bottom of the hour

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Speaker 1: is going to react to that and find out can

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Speaker 1: the police department cut? This is one thing the police

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00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 1: actually are. Something the residents of the City of Cincinnati want,

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00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: which was acknowledged in yesterday's council meeting. Nobody wants a

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Speaker 1: solar panel. Let me just emphasize that nobody except after

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Speaker 1: have purval apparently, and he gets what he wants. And

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Speaker 1: I guess maybe that eight million dollars that they had

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Speaker 1: already allocated or at least approved by way of resolution

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Speaker 1: for the new music venue, maybe that's going to go

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Speaker 1: the way of the DODO too, because I'd rather have

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Speaker 1: six point six million dollars stay with the police department

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00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: than go to a new music venue that didn't expect

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Speaker 1: the City of Cincinnati's cash when they propose the thing

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Speaker 1: in the first place. Er do elections have consequences? A

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00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 1: rhetorical question, So Ken Cobra coming to bottom of the hour,

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00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: followed by Steve good In an hour seven oh five

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Speaker 1: with Steve, he will talk about the rest of the

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00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: twenty nine and a half million dollar deficit. But I

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Speaker 1: guess the interesting component that emerged about that was the

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Speaker 1: comment from the statement from Cramerton speaking with Scott Wartman

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Speaker 1: over the Inquirer. I think we're looking at cuts, he said.

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Speaker 1: I think moving forward year after year, that will be

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Speaker 1: the new reality. So I don't know that cuts the

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Speaker 1: city services are desperate measure, but maybe this is this

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00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 1: desperate times will force well more educated, logical prioritization when

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Speaker 1: it comes to where they want to allocate the money. Again,

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Speaker 1: Seth Walsh, talking to the Inquirer said, rhoads, snow removal,

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Speaker 1: and police and fire are what residents want. They have

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Speaker 1: been raided by residents as the most important. Nothing in

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Speaker 1: there that green policies, nothing in there about an extension

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Speaker 1: of the streetcar line. We could go on and on

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00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 1: and on and on. Seven Tom z Awastowski after Steve

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Speaker 1: Goodin departs, we'll get Tom z Awastowski from we the

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Speaker 1: Preeopleconvention dot Org about vvig Ramaswam. He's planned for property taxes,

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Speaker 1: which I guess is still a thing going on about there.

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Speaker 1: There was just an article belief it was Yester Yeah,

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Speaker 1: yesterday credit to Fox eight about the statewide ballot initiative

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Speaker 1: that's being circulated. Apparently needs four hundred thousand signatures. This

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Speaker 1: is the constitutional amendment to eradicate property tax in the

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Speaker 1: state of Ohio. The person behind the organization gout named Massy,

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Speaker 1: not Thomas Massey anyway, He's pointed out he needs abot

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Speaker 1: four one thousand six ers on the petition to get

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Speaker 1: it on the ballot November, but he has not disclosed

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Speaker 1: how many this organization has collected, saying, quote, I'm the

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Speaker 1: only person in the state of Ohio that knows how

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Speaker 1: many signatures we have, and I'm not telling anyone. So

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Speaker 1: still being circulated, I guess you still have the opportunity

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Speaker 1: to sign on to it. But then what do we

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Speaker 1: do in the absence of property taxes? A bit of

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Speaker 1: a sticky wick it for our elected officials in Cleveland,

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Speaker 1: and I know some out there may start screaming about fraud, waste,

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Speaker 1: and abuse, and we're going to be doing without the

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00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: alleged twenty four billion dollars that take the state takes in,

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Speaker 1: or collectively we take in in the state of Ohio

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Speaker 1: and property taxes. That money's going to have to come

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Speaker 1: from somewhere. The complicating issue in all the property tax

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Speaker 1: eradication efforts, where will that money come from? Maybe maybe

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Speaker 1: if you walk through this going back to that desperate

633
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: times call for desperate measures, maybe this challenge that our

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Speaker 1: senators and our representatives here in Ohio will be facing

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Speaker 1: if the property tax amendment goes through and they are eradicated,

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Speaker 1: maybe it require responsible cuts to government programs and spending,

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Speaker 1: because I think collectively we can all generally acknowledge that

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00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: we have a spending problem on our hands at the

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Speaker 1: federal level, state level, and at a local level here

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Speaker 1: in the City of Cincinnati as well. Coming up an

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Speaker 1: eight oh five Inside Scoop with Bright Barton is today

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Speaker 1: we get the immigration editor, the return of John Bender,

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Speaker 1: to talk about the national media ignoring the murders and

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Speaker 1: other crimes committed by illegal illegal residents in this country

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Speaker 1: against citizens. Murders, rapes, child molestation. A day does not

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Speaker 1: go by where we don't come up with a find

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Speaker 1: another illegal immigrant committing some heinous crime. Daniel Davis deep dive.

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Speaker 1: Of course he'll be talking about the Iranians and the

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Speaker 1: most recent development is Spain saying you can't use our

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Speaker 1: airspace anymore. Let's go to the phones. Who a Mississippi

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Speaker 1: James got today?

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Speaker 3: James.

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Speaker 1: Always good to hear from you, my friend. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to the morning show.

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Speaker 3: Hey, good morning doctor Brian, and I'm back in your

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Speaker 3: fine not so fine city.

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Speaker 1: Istic Oh, welcome back man. If you can make it

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Speaker 1: to lunch, you know, I love seeing you and your

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Speaker 1: beautiful bride when you come to listen to lunch Liberty Collectives.

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Speaker 1: The place will be tomorrow if you can make it.

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Speaker 1: No pressure.

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Speaker 3: Now, is there a certain location out there? Is that

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Speaker 3: a large complex?

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Speaker 1: That's what it's called. No, it's one big built or

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Speaker 1: one big call it. Let's say if you looked at

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Speaker 1: a restaurant, a free standing restaurant, there it is. That's

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Speaker 1: kind of what it is. Except inside it's like a

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Speaker 1: food court where you've got a whole bunch of different

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Speaker 1: restaurants and coffee shops. And I think there's a doughnut

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Speaker 1: place and a bar or a couple of bars, so you

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Speaker 1: get to pick which food you want. There's an Asian

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Speaker 1: spot and a barbecue spot, burgers and all that. Pick

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Speaker 1: what you want, bring your food out into the center

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Speaker 1: of the court and sit down with the listeners and

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Speaker 1: enjoy the fellowship at listener lunch.

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Speaker 3: Sounds good, we'll be.

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Speaker 1: There, great, great, great great. That's great news. Man, So

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Speaker 1: you didn't call to talk about listener lunch. What's on

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Speaker 1: your mind today, James, That's.

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Speaker 3: What I did. I'm taking a light.

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Speaker 5: I'm just selling back in, so won't get into too

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Speaker 5: much heavy.

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Speaker 1: That's okay with me, man, So listener Lunch. It's Liberty

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Speaker 1: Dash collective dot com located at sixty seven thirty five

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Speaker 1: Lakota Lane, Liberty Township. Looks like it's really easy to

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Speaker 1: get to them. Choking and looking at a map right now.

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Speaker 1: So if you look at the selections there, the Caldaisy

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Speaker 1: Bourbon and Wine Bar, the Caldaisy Island Coffee Company, something

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Speaker 1: called Collective Poor and that's where you get to experience

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Speaker 1: thirty taps of rotating beers in Liberty Township's first self

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Speaker 1: Poor Wall. Mosey on up to the bar and get

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Speaker 1: your own beer. They also have a main bar. It's

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Speaker 1: the place for craft cocktails and bruise moving past that

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Speaker 1: there's also a mezzanine bar. They've got plenty of alcohol there,

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Speaker 1: that's for sure. Roberto and Miguel's authentic Guatemalon inspired tacos

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Speaker 1: and burritos with fresh homemade sides. Rice Life described it

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Speaker 1: as putting a unique spin on Teppanyaki traditions, flavor infused

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Speaker 1: Hibachi style entrees crafted with expert technique. We go to Lulu's,

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Speaker 1: taking pride in crafting the finest French macaroons in town,

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Speaker 1: along with other sweets, cookies and crispies and things missus

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Speaker 1: Lee Lee's or Lili's not sure, handcrafted breaded chicken tenders,

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Speaker 1: handcut fries, onion rings, fresh healthy sounds, bristols where you

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Speaker 1: can get looks like a barbecue selection award winning wings,

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Speaker 1: double decker cheeseburger, smokes barbecue or spicy Italian beef, and

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Speaker 1: finally Ramundo Pizza Familia. They say it's paying homage to

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Speaker 1: Italian roots, family and tradition. So see, you got a

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Speaker 1: whole bunch of things to choose from Tomorrow eleven thirty

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Speaker 1: about the time Liberty Dash collective dot com and they're

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Speaker 1: really excited about having us out there. Debbie the woman

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Speaker 1: who lines up the spots for a listener lunch. So

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Speaker 1: they're looking forward to seeing us out there, So I

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Speaker 1: hope we have a really good turnout. I can't remember

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Speaker 1: the last time we were in Liberty Township area for

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Speaker 1: a listener lunch. So that's on the agenda for tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: All right, stick around, I take more phone calls. I'd

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Speaker 1: like to hear from someone in the next segment. We

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Speaker 1: got a little bit more to talk about, of course,

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Speaker 1: before we get to Fresident Ken Kobra, which should be

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Speaker 1: a rather interesting conversation considering that the contingent of police

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Speaker 1: officers is still down. We are fighting what seems to

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Speaker 1: be even more crime. We have this national phenomenon of

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Speaker 1: youth outbreaks. They circulate on social media that they're going

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Speaker 1: to do a takeover, and they well pretty much make

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Speaker 1: good on their aims. They take over, and the police

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Speaker 1: get overwhelmed, and you and I struggle mightily in dealing

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Speaker 1: with it. It's a growing phenomenon. So is it the

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Speaker 1: great time for us to cut six and a half

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Speaker 1: million dollars out of the police budget. No, I don't

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Speaker 1: think so, And I gotta imagine Ken kober agrees with

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Speaker 1: me on that ultimate point we'll hear from Ken coming

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Speaker 1: up at the bottom of this hour. Peter Sbrig caught

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Speaker 1: the station fifty ker City Talk station. Good morning, Christopher SMITHAM,

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Speaker 1: and he's out there listening. He just chimed in on

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Speaker 1: the budget deficit five dollars. He was just reminding me

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Speaker 1: five million dollars per year to operate the street car.

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Speaker 1: He mentioned Iris Rolli's six hundred and fifty thousand dollars contract.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you're looking for places to cut wondered

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Speaker 1: out loud, if you think the city, residents of the

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Speaker 1: city would really miss the street car if it wasn't

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Speaker 1: there anymore. My suggestion, no, they wouldn't. Good points, Christopher,

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Speaker 1: As always Smith event from Monday fifty five cars dot Com.

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Speaker 1: What saie, Jim? Weird?

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Speaker 3: Jim?

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about you a minute before you called in,

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Speaker 1: wondering where in the hell you've been. How come you

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Speaker 1: don't call anymore? And how come you don't show up

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Speaker 1: but listen to lunch anymore? I miss seeing you and

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Speaker 1: hearing from you.

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Speaker 2: It seems like every month, my damn voctor, excuse my language.

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Speaker 2: He has me on Wednesdays, and if I get out

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Speaker 2: of there, if he kicks me out before eleven o'clock tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: I will definitely be there. But I even tell him

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Speaker 2: make it another day.

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Speaker 6: And he goes, that's the day you're scheduled for. Well,

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Speaker 6: I got to do what the doctor tells me.

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Speaker 1: You know. You know how that one goes in terms

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Speaker 1: of prioritization. You are making the right choice, Jim. I'm

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Speaker 1: just telling you personally, I miss having you around it,

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Speaker 1: listening to lunch and hearing from you.

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Speaker 3: So that's all I understand.

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Speaker 1: Expression. It's expression of love.

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Speaker 3: U.

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Speaker 2: Other than that, I don't want to call because my

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Speaker 2: blood pressure has been okay.

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Speaker 3: Lately, and you know, I read and hear this crap.

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Speaker 3: But I want to say something that you will.

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Speaker 2: Probably remember about maybe five, six, seven years ago whatever,

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Speaker 2: Quinn living in Qualls. We're out there peaching, preaching and

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Speaker 2: speaking about the fact that they wanted the cops down

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Speaker 2: to three hundred or seven hundred and fifty six officers.

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Speaker 2: Well they're getting their ish because it's getting to the

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Speaker 2: point where the defunding the cops are going to keep

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Speaker 2: going and going and going. And for some reason it

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Speaker 2: gets talked about with Cannill probably attests to this. The

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Speaker 2: recruit classes are getting smaller if they can find anybody to.

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Speaker 6: Get into the recruit class.

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Speaker 2: And the fact that they just they find a reason

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Speaker 2: not to have people in the police classes. So you

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Speaker 2: know they're down. And I know the government money was

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Speaker 2: supposedly under anything under a thousand officers, they were supposed

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Speaker 2: to give money back. Well, I don't know if that

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Speaker 2: thing still holds it on, but they're they're getting their wish.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Quinn Living was out of it about this

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Speaker 2: for that and the city that sings.

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Speaker 1: So it's no longer driven by police bad evil. We

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Speaker 1: need to get rid of them as an out loud statement.

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Speaker 1: Now it's defunding the police by saying, oh, this is

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Speaker 1: a matter of urgency and necessity. We're out of money.

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Speaker 1: We need to cut them just because we don't have

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Speaker 1: the dollars rolling in, not because they spend too much

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Speaker 1: money and a whod bunch of different programs and things

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Speaker 1: that nobody wants. Christopher Smithman acknowledge street car five million

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Speaker 1: dollars annually. But they're using the argument of a bad

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Speaker 1: budget to defund the police without saying the purpose is

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Speaker 1: to defund the police.

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Speaker 3: Correct a music.

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Speaker 2: Venue, I mean eight million dollars and skateboard you know,

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Speaker 2: yeh you, Oh my god, we can go back and forth.

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Speaker 2: We need in mister, mister brilliant Zinser in there to

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Speaker 2: yeah men, I'm thinking to Ken Kober, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: Ten minutes ago.

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Speaker 1: Sorry.

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Speaker 2: You know, he would get in there with a sharp

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Speaker 2: pencil and you know, cut these things and we would

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Speaker 2: end up with more cops and more firemen and things

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Speaker 2: like this, and we wouldn't have stupid things like venue

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Speaker 2: music venues. Sorry for being so early, that's okay.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to get It's good to hear from you, Jim.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad and yes we all agree cancer sucks. We

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Speaker 1: have time for a real quick break. Joe from uh

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Speaker 1: real quick Cleveland, Al got to get your call in

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Speaker 1: here for the break. You got a minute, okay, it's

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Speaker 1: very quick.

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Speaker 4: I think this slipped out of your lips before you

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Speaker 4: even thought about it. But you actually moved the state

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Speaker 4: government from Columbus to Cleveland, and I just wanted to say,

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Speaker 4: our political stench up here is enough. We don't need

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Speaker 4: the rhinos up here too.

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Speaker 1: I have wonderful thanks Cleveland out appreciate you. Tenning in

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Speaker 1: from Cleveland, I'm sorry, for this suggestion that I was

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Speaker 1: gonna move state government to Cleveland. Unlike Rush Limba, I

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Speaker 1: have never in my life said that I am perfect

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Speaker 1: and never make a mistake. Happy that I have listeners

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Speaker 1: the student enough to call me out on it, I

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Speaker 1: do appreciate it. Stick around here, fifty five Cars Decalk Station,

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Speaker 1: or a happy Tuesday to you, except when you're talking

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Speaker 1: about the City of Cincinnati's budget, which is not a

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Speaker 1: happy subject matter with a twenty nine and a half

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Speaker 1: million dollar budget deficit and the demands on the Cincinni

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Speaker 1: Police Department increasing seemingly almost every single day. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for returning the fifty five Cars Morning show to talk

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Speaker 1: about the proposed six point six million dollar budget cut

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Speaker 1: for the police department. FOP President Ken Kober, thank you

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Speaker 1: for joining us this morning. Now I Ken here, your morning, Brian.

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Speaker 3: How are you.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing fine. I'm just scratching my head over this

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Speaker 1: budget deficit. Apparently they can't live without federal and state dollars.

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Speaker 1: They've been dealing with this problem for years and years

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Speaker 1: and years. And thank god for COVID because apparently would

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Speaker 1: have facing massive deficits over the past five or so years.

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Speaker 1: Plugged holes thanks to COVID money. But Jeff Cramerting said

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Speaker 1: it straightforward in the reporting he was talking to Scott

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Speaker 1: Wortman from the Inquire regarding this twenty nine and a

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Speaker 1: half million dollar deficit. He said, I think we're looking

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Speaker 1: at cuts. I think moving forward year after year, that

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Speaker 1: will be the new reality. So looking on into the future,

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Speaker 1: that looks like gloom and doom for the budget. Pivoting

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Speaker 1: over yesterday, Interim police Chief Adam Henny's looking into cuts,

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Speaker 1: talking about a six point six million dollar budget cut

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Speaker 1: for the police department, and it looked to me from

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Speaker 1: the reporting from Fox nineteen he's struggling to find places

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Speaker 1: where he can cut because the vast majority of the

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Speaker 1: budget for the police department is for police officers, which

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Speaker 1: he suggested might include cuts of not filling the vacancies

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Speaker 1: that exist. Ken Cober, your reaction to this, please.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's not surprising. I mean you look at how

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Speaker 2: Mismanner's money has been in this city. It does not

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Speaker 2: surprise me. And they're right there should be cut, but

859
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 2: it should be cuts of spending, not cuts of workforce,

860
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 2: not cuts of police, not fire, not public works. But

861
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 2: until they decide that they're going to prioritize, you know,

862
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 2: the things that are really truly important. We're going to

863
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 2: continue to be in the same place. You know, they

864
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 2: can continue, like you said, throw throw more stuff on

865
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 2: the police. You know, we're about one hundred officer short.

866
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 2: They expect the police to be at every single thing.

867
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 2: If you want those things where you're gonna have to

868
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 2: pay for it, And that's the reality of it. I

869
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 2: guess we'll see what decisions they decide to make, but

870
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 2: they won't spending money on music venues and reparations. We

871
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 2: probably wouldn't be in this position.

872
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: Well, and I'm glad you wrote the music venue. But

873
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 1: I saw the headline yesterday afternoon, like six point six

874
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: million dollars budget cut for the police. When all of

875
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: this is going on, crime is a dominant topic topic

876
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: of of what's going on the city of Cincinnati, obviously

877
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 1: with the riots, the beatdowns, opening day, Holly getting punched

878
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: in the face, people getting stabbed and murdered, little children

879
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: getting shot in parks. Everybody wants more police, it seems,

880
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 1: and in fact, uh, someone admitted it yesterday about priorities

881
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 1: in city government. Seth Walsh talking to Scott Wortman residents

882
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 1: have rated the most important things for the city to

883
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: spend money on roads now, removal, police and fire. There's

884
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: nothing in there about the eight million dollars that they

885
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 1: that the resolution last week approved for the new music

886
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: venue over where the swimming pool and the river bend

887
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 1: used to be. What in the hell's with that?

888
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it just it just shows you that I

889
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 2: don't think, by and large, uh, there's even any thought

890
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 2: as to what the citizens actually want. That's whatever they

891
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:46,399
Speaker 2: think is best, what they think is best, instead of going, hey,

892
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 2: let me let me see what's going on. Whether you know,

893
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,399
Speaker 2: they just did this survey and they talked about those

894
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 2: very things. You know, we want roads, and we want

895
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 2: we want safe neighborhoods. No where does it say that

896
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 2: we want a music venue out on kell Kellogg Avenue.

897
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 2: You know the eight zo point two million dollars that

898
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 2: they just spent on protesters or what's call what they

899
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 2: were rioters from twenty twenty. But yet here we are

900
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 2: and their solutions they're going to come up with is

901
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 2: this is going to be a surprise to you. Well,

902
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 2: we're just going to raise taxes. That way, we'll we'll

903
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 2: have more income coming in but that just means they're

904
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 2: going more income to spend on things that aren't priorities.

905
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 1: I guess they haven't gotten the memo Ken, because I

906
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:29,879
Speaker 1: tell you what, every single I mean, it's almost every

907
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: single day, if not certainly every single week. I keep

908
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: reading about well Democrats trying to increase taxes and actually

909
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: succeeding in increasing taxes, whether it's on a state or

910
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: local level, which has the obvious effect of wake up

911
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: people moving and leaving the high tax area. Do you

912
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: think raising the taxes in downtown Cincinnati is going to

913
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: result in growth or expansion or more people wanting to

914
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: move into the city.

915
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 3: Can No, of course not.

916
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 2: And ironically enough, talking last night to my adult son

917
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 2: is he's getting ready to be a homeowner himself and

918
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 2: is trying to figure out where should I move? Where

919
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 2: shouldn't I move? I go, well, you look, first of all,

920
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 2: you know what crime looks like in the neighborhood, and

921
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 2: then you look and see what taxes are you going

922
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 2: to pay? How expensive is it to live in any

923
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 2: particular place? Is said, Those are things that have to

924
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 2: be considered, and certainly one place that I'm not suggesting

925
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 2: that he comes to live is in Cincinnati or Hamilton

926
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,479
Speaker 2: County for that matter, because taxes are just absolutely out.

927
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: Of control, you know what. And there was just an article,

928
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: I believe it was in the Inquire Redded Life several

929
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,280
Speaker 1: days ago about they were tracking growth in the surrounding

930
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: counties and Hamilton County only group point six percent, while

931
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: Brown and Claremont and Warren and the other surrounding counties

932
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 1: all grew by sizeably larger margins. Duh, helping yoursel me.

933
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 2: This isn't surprising, I know.

934
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 4: Police.

935
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: Hold on, Ken, We're going to talk a little bit

936
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: more about this insanity six point six million dollars budget

937
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: cut for the police. I don't think so. You're going

938
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: to get it anyway. Probably the talk station fifty five

939
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: KRCD talk station trying to make it a happy Tuesday.

940
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 1: Brand Tim was the FOP president. Ken Kober representing the

941
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:15,359
Speaker 1: Cincinny Police Departments Union, pivoting over to Chief Adam Henny.

942
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: We're talking about these six point six million dollars in

943
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: proposed cuts for the police department because the city's got

944
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 1: no money either out that's a twenty nine point five

945
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: million dollar budget deficit. Figuring out ways they can cut

946
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: across the board, although they apparently at least some of

947
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 1: the council people realize that the residents like the police

948
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: and the fire and roads and snow removal, so those

949
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 1: are the most important things for the residents. So why

950
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 1: would you go after the cuts and or why would

951
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,760
Speaker 1: you go after the police department? Which is and please

952
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: confirm ken cover for me and my listening audience, you're

953
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:49,320
Speaker 1: still not operating under a full contingency of police officers. Correct, No,

954
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: that's correct.

955
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 2: I mean we're still still trying to get there. I

956
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 2: do at least appreciate the fact that well until maybe

957
00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:00,879
Speaker 2: now that has been funded, but it's still struggle. Trying

958
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 2: to get people to want to take these jobs is difficult.

959
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 3: That we're just going to.

960
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 2: Continue pressing on until we get back to a full compliment.

961
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 2: What they realizes that we have a you know, an

962
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 2: aging police deportent that's seeing retirements every day. Is an

963
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 2: officer stopped by yesterday to turn his paperwork in because

964
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,439
Speaker 2: he's retiring as well. I mean, this is every week

965
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 2: we're running into these things, sometimes two or three people

966
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 2: a week. So we're sitting there literally chasing our tail,

967
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,959
Speaker 2: trying to make up for the people that are leaving,

968
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 2: and you know, with these budget cuts certainly aren't going

969
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 2: to help anything. I mean, I saw what chief, and

970
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 2: he said, I mean the reality is six six and

971
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 2: a half million dollars that could be in it. That

972
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 2: could be a recruit class. Yeah, I guess we'll see

973
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 2: what happens.

974
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: It could be a recruit class. So two things at

975
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 1: issue here. One the idea that they're they're potentially cutting

976
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 1: six point six million dollars, which certainly could impact the

977
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: cost of a recruit class. But pivoting over to the

978
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 1: other point you kind of made there, I just want

979
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 1: to double down on it. Getting people to want to

980
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,320
Speaker 1: become a police officer remains a challenge. So if you

981
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 1: have a recruit class, filling the spots in the recruit

982
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: class remains problematic and you can't fill them.

983
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 2: Ken, Well, yeah, and now let's look at somebody, a

984
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:18,399
Speaker 2: potential recruit that pays attention to your news and what's

985
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 2: going on in Cincinnati and s said, well, there are

986
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 2: budget cuts, and well the police chief said that we

987
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 2: might have to cut recruit classes. So are you going

988
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 2: to come here not knowing whether or not you're going

989
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 2: to have a stable you know, stable or steady income

990
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,359
Speaker 2: where you might come here and then be laid off

991
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 2: because because of budget cuts. I mean, that's only going

992
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 2: to make trying to recruit people, trying to retain people

993
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 2: that much harder.

994
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: It certainly is. And then you know the other growing phenomenon,

995
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 1: and we experienced this with Opening Day, are these roving

996
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 1: gangs of lawless youths who use you know, their their

997
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: instant messaging and their social media profiles to promote street

998
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 1: takeovers and basically events designed to ruin the lives of

999
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 1: everybody who lives in a neighborhood. I have to imagine

1000
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 1: that dealing with those and dealing with the idea of it.

1001
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 1: If you're thinking about being a police officer and you

1002
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: see the future, this stuff seemingly only going to get worse.

1003
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 1: And who wants to deal with that kind of thing,

1004
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 1: especially with this city council and administration that is extraordinarily

1005
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: soft on youth crime.

1006
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:21,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, without a doubt.

1007
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 2: I mean, they're certainly not making it very appealing to

1008
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 2: want to come here, and it does make efforts to

1009
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 2: recruit that much more difficult. To tell people, Hey, looks,

1010
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 2: the reality is you might have to deal with thousands

1011
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 2: of people gathering and you know, just complete disorder, and

1012
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 2: by the way, you might have to deal with what

1013
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 2: every weekend. It certainly does become a challenge to recruit

1014
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 2: people who want to come here.

1015
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 1: Well, one other point that Hanny Maade the other day

1016
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: innered police Chief Henny, he suggested that the city needs

1017
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: to spend some money by investing in software, as explained

1018
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 1: by local media again going back to the Fox nineteen's

1019
00:57:56,440 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 1: reporting software that puts all the police departments technology to

1020
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: one place to make it more efficient and allow the

1021
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: city to save money over time, you know, spend money

1022
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: to save money kind of concept. Are you familiar with

1023
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: the type of tech technology he's referring to and what

1024
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 1: that might mean in reality?

1025
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, our records management system has been a mess forever.

1026
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 2: I mean as long as as long as I've been here,

1027
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 2: and it's only been twenty six years, but it's always

1028
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 2: been difficult or to try trying to complete reports and

1029
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 2: doing it in systems that are just not user friendly.

1030
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 2: So the thought is, of course, if we make something

1031
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 2: that's user friendly, we have this, it's going to be

1032
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:40,919
Speaker 2: less time than officers are going to have to spend

1033
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 2: doing reports and instead they can be out in the

1034
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 2: communities where of course the public wants them. But it's

1035
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 2: been a challenge forever, and I mean, who knows how

1036
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 2: soon it's actually going to be fixed, but it's always

1037
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 2: been a challenge. And then you switch from one system

1038
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 2: to another, while you've got to teach these cops to

1039
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 2: use this new system, and it just becomes it's become

1040
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 2: something that is very labor intensive, frustrating for officers, and

1041
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 2: they've got to find a way to make the reporting

1042
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 2: system to where it's a lot more user friendly.

1043
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: Well on behalf of my entire listening audience, Ken Kober,

1044
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 1: thank you for what you're doing, not just for your

1045
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 1: fellow officers, but as an officer the law on the

1046
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Police, we truly appreciate it. We along with apparently

1047
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: the residents of the city of Cincinnati, largely love what

1048
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 1: you're doing and prioritize what you the fire and the

1049
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: road repair crews are doing. So to the City of Council,

1050
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: let's get your ducks in a row, Let's get your

1051
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 1: priorities straight. Let's not cut the police department. Let's do

1052
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 1: everything we can to improve the reputation the police department

1053
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: and get more recruits in there. Ken Cober, God bless you, sir.

1054
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: Anytime you want to come on the program, let's talk

1055
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: about these issues. I appreciate your willingness to do it. Man.

1056
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 2: Sure well, yeah, well, thank you not only to you,

1057
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 2: but your listeners as well for your support. We appreciate it.

1058
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: We've all got your back. Man, I assure you of that.

1059
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: Have a good one man, Stay safe six forty six,

1060
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 1: that's fifty five cares seven fifty five Carsite Talks Station

1061
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 1: and Happy Tuesday one hour from Inside Scoop of Bright

1062
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: Part News. Immigration editor John Bender returns talk about US well,

1063
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 1: the national media ignoring illegal immigrants, murdering citizens and molesting children,

1064
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 1: et cetera. It's that a Dania Davis deep dive on

1065
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 1: the Iran situation and without further ado. Always great to

1066
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 1: have him on the fifty five krs Morning Show because

1067
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 1: whatever he's talking about is important to what's going on

1068
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: in the city of Cincinnati or maybe matters legal. Steve

1069
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 1: Gooden from the law firm Orporter Right, our legal expert

1070
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 1: and of course former counselmen, putting him in a great

1071
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 1: position to talk about the two or twenty nine point

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Speaker 1: five million dollar budget deficit of the City of Cincinnati,

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Speaker 1: along with FOP President Ken Kober's comments on the corollary

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Speaker 1: six point six million dollar cut to the police Apartment.

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Speaker 1: Steve Good and welcome back, man. It's always great having

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Speaker 1: you on the show.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's great to be here. Wish well I didn't

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Speaker 3: have to talk about this. Good to be here.

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Speaker 1: B Well, it'd be good if you're a city council person,

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Speaker 1: because then you could make arguments in favor of what

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Speaker 1: should be cut and what shouldn't be cut. And I'm

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Speaker 1: sure having served as a Cincinnati councilman for a period

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Speaker 1: of time, you probably have some ideas on that. And

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Speaker 1: I guess I just I actually laughed, literally laughed out

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Speaker 1: loud when I saw the headline about the cuts to

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Speaker 1: the police department, because it was just a week ago

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Speaker 1: that the council approved the resolution for eight million dollars

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Speaker 1: for that music venue over at Riverbend, and I was

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Speaker 1: wondering out loud on that one we talked about here

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Speaker 1: on the morning show. I mean, they hadn't even been

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Speaker 1: asked for money for that one. Originally it was all

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Speaker 1: since a symphony orchestras moving forward with that was one

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Speaker 1: hundred and sixty million dollar project, no city money involved

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Speaker 1: in it. Like, where did this eight million dollar ask

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Speaker 1: come for? And why did the city council prove it?

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Speaker 1: Fast forward a week. They get eight million dollars from

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Speaker 1: music venue, at least they seem to, and now they're

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Speaker 1: going to cut money from the police department, which is

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Speaker 1: desperately needed. Steve, where are we on this? And you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe what would a cooler, clearer headed person like you

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Speaker 1: have done or would do in this situation?

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Speaker 3: Well, well, if I'm the cooler, palmer person, we're all

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Speaker 3: in a bad spot. But I'll tell you. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's just a terrible, terrible thing that's going on with

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Speaker 3: the city right now. I mean, first, let's just pull

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Speaker 3: it all away. It's been an open secret for weeks,

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Speaker 3: if not months, that we were heading forward to nearly

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Speaker 3: thirty million dollar budget deficits. I mean, these numbers aren't new.

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Speaker 3: The tax or seats have been coming in where they

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Speaker 3: have been quarterly for some time. So the idea that

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Speaker 3: somehow the eight million dollars for the River Bend Center,

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Speaker 3: which is going to a ticketed event where we are

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Speaker 3: for higher ends things where people with their disposal income

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Speaker 3: go rather than into law enforcement. Everyone knew when they

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Speaker 3: voted for that eight million that the budget deficit was

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Speaker 3: going to be where it was. Almost all of them

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Speaker 3: they knew or should have known. So it's even worse

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Speaker 3: than it seems on the surface. It's not like they

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Speaker 3: went on a spending spree and then learned that credit

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Speaker 3: card was maxed out because they hadn't been checking their

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Speaker 3: credit card app They knew what was coming. And like

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Speaker 3: the eight million really points to the key problem down

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Speaker 3: there is, you know, these our foot whenever a city

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Speaker 3: council members are talking about stakeholders quote end quote or

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Speaker 3: community partners, what they really mean are the rich people

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Speaker 3: who sit on these nonprofit boards or who sit on

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Speaker 3: the board or something like many that owns River Bend

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Speaker 3: and who they want to impress and who they want

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Speaker 3: to get campaign contributions from. It's not a direct quod

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Speaker 3: bro Quow corruption, like you said with TV sitting feld

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Speaker 3: than others, but it is a kind of soft corruption

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Speaker 3: where they're trying to impruss them with taxpayer dollars. But

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, I just off the top of my head,

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Speaker 3: if they took that eight million plus the four point

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Speaker 3: five million they spent on this like public safety initiative

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Speaker 3: last year, where they didn't even they had zero results.

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Speaker 3: You know, they opened these perfew centers where they only

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Speaker 3: had four kids. The report if they took the three

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Speaker 3: million that they used for the political stunt on medical

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Speaker 3: debt relief that they did right and only in certain

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Speaker 3: neighborhoods right before the election, and they took Irish rolls

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Speaker 3: one million dollar contract. I mean, I just got fourteen million,

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Speaker 3: and I haven't even really looked at the budget. So

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Speaker 3: I think it's really you know, just really we're halfway

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Speaker 3: there before we've even sharpened our pencils and looked at

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Speaker 3: the individual departments. So you know, what jo and what

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Speaker 3: they're doing here is really terrible. They're of course going

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Speaker 3: back and blaming you know, blaming Republicans for everything basically.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they're going over shocking development. Could you believe it?

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Speaker 3: It's not their fault, you know, hey, they're saying that

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Speaker 3: I was.

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Speaker 1: I just want to ask, how many decades has it

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Speaker 1: been since we had a Republican mayor of the City

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Speaker 1: of Cincinnati. How many how many years has it been

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Speaker 1: since we had you know, a Republican dominated city council.

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Speaker 1: So Republicans are at fault, even though the Democrats have

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Speaker 1: been running the city since any for forty years.

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Speaker 3: That's correct, and I mean it took some creativity to

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Speaker 3: get there, but I mean, I guess council and Jeff Cramertons,

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Speaker 3: you know, made this very dire speech yesterday and also

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Speaker 3: said this and the press thing, well, you know, the

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Speaker 3: state has cut the local government fund and that's really

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Speaker 3: put us in a bad spot. Yeah, it was twenty eleven,

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Speaker 3: John Kasik, you know who's now a trivia question was

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Speaker 3: the governor And they did, and every other municipality in

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Speaker 3: Ohio sort of adjusted. They needed to cut back some

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Speaker 3: of the state income tax that's maybe going away anyway,

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Speaker 3: and give it to the local cities. And then finally,

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Speaker 3: I think case it got to a point where the

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Speaker 3: state budget was out of whack the money, there was

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Speaker 3: zero accountability to hero it was meant, so they cut

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Speaker 3: it fifteen years ago. And then I guess they blamed

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Speaker 3: the Trump administration for not renewing the American Rescue Plan money.

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Speaker 3: The city's been sort of running year to year off

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Speaker 3: of some of the COVID relief dollars. But of course,

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Speaker 3: you know that was designed specifically to replace you know,

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Speaker 3: income tact revenue caused by office closing downtown, which it

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Speaker 3: was needed at the time. I don't know that we

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Speaker 3: needed to close all those offices in retrospect, but the

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Speaker 3: money was needed to offset the revenue for operating purposes.

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Speaker 3: And now that's gone. So rather than look at the

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Speaker 3: budget and incredibly within your means, you know, there is

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Speaker 3: always pointing to either Columbus or DC as the cause

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Speaker 3: of their problems. It's ab third. There has been a

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Speaker 3: Republican council number now in almost four years. So but

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Speaker 3: yet it is someone else's.

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Speaker 1: Fault, always someone else's fault. You know, I didn't see

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Speaker 1: on the list from the survey that the City Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: does every two years or the summary of what's important.

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Speaker 1: Seth Walsh said it out loud yesterday and talking to

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Speaker 1: the enquire that the residents have raided roads, snow removal,

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Speaker 1: police and fire as most important. Steve Good no one

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Speaker 1: has ever said out loud that it's important for the

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Speaker 1: City of Cincinnati to own and operate, build, own and

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Speaker 1: operate its own solar farm green. How much money is

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Speaker 1: the green agenda? That? I mean, as if the City

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Speaker 1: of Cincinnati's carbon dioxide output is going to have a

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Speaker 1: remote impact on the globe. I mean, that is just insane.

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Speaker 3: Steve Gooden, Yeah, it's almost like that they were virtue

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Speaker 3: signaling for runs for future runs for higher office by

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Speaker 3: spending your tax dollars on things might play well in

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Speaker 3: the Democratic primary at some point. I mean, that's all

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Speaker 3: that was. And it's an open secret as all was.

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Speaker 3: I think it's out in Brown County or Highland County somewhere,

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Speaker 3: and you know, one day, theoretically it's going to provide

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Speaker 3: something to offset some of the bread here instance. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I don't know. The whole thing is a nonsense to me.

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Speaker 3: I know they went out and did a photo op

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Speaker 3: on a cornfield somewhere with some solar panels, and I

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Speaker 3: forget what that one costs, but I think that was

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Speaker 3: upward a sidleion dollars. We're also, as I recall, still

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Speaker 3: subsidizing the street park in nearly ten million a year,

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Speaker 3: you know, for free rides that run in a circle,

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Speaker 3: for something that is still being built nominally to the public,

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Speaker 3: is being funded by and supported by charitable interests in

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Speaker 3: downtown interest. The city's still on the hook for the

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Speaker 3: service contract which is roughly siddally in a year. We're

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Speaker 3: also paying almost that we have so much data city

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Speaker 3: now that if I read the Kaffir correctly, we are

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Speaker 3: paying close to a million dollars a week in interest.

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Speaker 3: So that's I mean, that's that's how out of wax

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Speaker 3: things are at this point. And that's just on the

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Speaker 3: operating side. So, I mean, we have a whole capital

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Speaker 3: budget and these restricted funds that are that run the

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Speaker 3: water works and the city's part of the MSD and

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Speaker 3: other things are that natures that are also you know,

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Speaker 3: challenged in their own way. But but there's so many

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Speaker 3: things that there's so much money that has gone out

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Speaker 3: the door on pet projects, you know that it's really

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Speaker 3: it's truly absurd. It's really frightening, and that to me

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Speaker 3: is one of the reasons why the railroad keeps coming up,

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Speaker 3: you know, like a bad ten here, because even though

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Speaker 3: those funds are restricted and have to go by state

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Speaker 3: laws through two road projects and things of that nature,

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Speaker 3: they're clearly the plan is to use those funds. Doesn't

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Speaker 3: excuse to cut back on what they would normally put

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Speaker 3: into the capitol budget and use the cast for yet

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Speaker 3: more pet projects. They're going to use it as an offset,

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Speaker 3: not an additive, and that's and that's what I think

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Speaker 3: it's starting to starting to dawn on people. Even a

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Speaker 3: lot of very good, soulful Democrats in the city are saying,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to wait, wait a minute here, do we

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Speaker 3: get kind of scammed. The money's restricted, but they're using

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Speaker 3: it as an offset, not an additive, and that's really

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Speaker 3: really disgusting.

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Speaker 1: Steve Goodin, I want to hold you over because I

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Speaker 1: want to talk about proposals to resolve this problem, one

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Speaker 1: of which includes maybe increasing the income tax uh and

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Speaker 1: what your perception of how that might work out will

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Speaker 1: mean for the City of Cincinnati. But another thing, this

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Speaker 1: has been an ongoing problem, these budget deficits, going way

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Speaker 1: back before the pandemic. So clearly we have a historic problem.

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Speaker 1: And I will chime in again, maybe you need some

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Speaker 1: more Democrats on council and perhaps in the mayor's role

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Speaker 1: more with Steve Gooden at seven fifteen right now fifty

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Speaker 1: five kercdtalk station. Chimney can see the talk station at

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Speaker 1: seven twenty fifty five krc DE talk station. Tom Zawastowski

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Speaker 1: coming up next on v dight Ramaswami's plan for property taxes.

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Speaker 1: We the People Convention dot orgs Tom. In the meantime,

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Speaker 1: we are talking with Steve Good, and we got Steve

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Speaker 1: Good in the line right now, former council member. He

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Speaker 1: is and going through this budget. Apparently this has been

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Speaker 1: going on a long time. It's reported that prior to

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Speaker 1: COVID nineteen, the city regularly faced deficits of twenty million

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Speaker 1: dollars or more. They say the most dire one showed

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Speaker 1: up in the Great Recession at twenty nine and ten.

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Speaker 1: Then city Manager Milton Dahony proposed laying off three hundred

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Speaker 1: employees and one hundred plus police officers. But they didn't

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Speaker 1: have to do that because apparently the unions agreed to

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Speaker 1: defer some benefits. And then they imposed the new trash

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Speaker 1: collection fee that year and cut some other areas, so

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Speaker 1: new fees and that lets me pivot over to the

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Speaker 1: proposal that's going around and swirl around council. Now, Well,

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Speaker 1: we're short on deficits, Jeff Kramerting said of the Inquirer yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I think moving forward year after year, that will be

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Speaker 1: the new reality, these big cuts and these budget deficits.

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Speaker 1: So let's raise the income tax, Steve, how's that for

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Speaker 1: an idea?

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, I'll tell you that's that's everywhere right now.

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Speaker 3: And that's been talked about for some time. And what's

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Speaker 3: kind of amazing to me, And I think one of

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Speaker 3: the stories that's not being talked about here when it

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Speaker 3: comes to the income tax is where the business community

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Speaker 3: seems to be. And it's puzzling to me because there's

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Speaker 3: this thing called the Cincinnati Futree Commission Report, which is

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Speaker 3: you know, really a lot of folks that you know,

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Speaker 3: it's a lot of CEOs and different people, you know,

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Speaker 3: Procter and Gable CEO and others served on this thing,

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Speaker 3: and it was nominally designed to fix the city's finances.

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Speaker 3: There was a bunch of suggestions by by business people

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Speaker 3: and actually they favored and suggested raising the earning attack.

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Speaker 3: They won't, of course set aside the money, as I recall,

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Speaker 3: for some sort of housing boondoggle. But it was kind

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Speaker 3: of amazing to me that it typically would be the

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Speaker 3: business community pushing back saying, no, you know, we don't

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Speaker 3: need a higher earning tack. It's a disincentive for people

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Speaker 3: to work in the Senate city. We don't need it,

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Speaker 3: But for whatever reason, the business community does seem for

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Speaker 3: at least a lot of the business community seems fine

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Speaker 3: to go along with this thing. So I have a

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Speaker 3: bad feeling it's going to happen. I'm afraid it's just

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Speaker 3: more money that's going to go into into this kind

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Speaker 3: of plus fun kind of scenario. The only way I

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01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:41,680
Speaker 3: would ever even cut contemplate going along with something like

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Speaker 3: that is if the money were really set aside for

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Speaker 3: public safety. What happens every time, This is what happened

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Speaker 3: back in two thousand and eight and nine with Milton

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Speaker 3: to Hooney a new reference. Then they were threatening to

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Speaker 3: cut firefighter. This time they're threatening to cut police. You know,

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Speaker 3: they couldn't get all departments, but they put the police

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Speaker 3: seep out yesterday. If he's a good so stud of

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Speaker 3: talking about what these touch would look like to his

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Speaker 3: departments and now what would probably mean deferring an entire

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Speaker 3: recruit class with it's badly needed. I mean the police

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Speaker 3: department at least one hundred and fifty officers understrings arguably

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Speaker 3: more so you know that it would you know, the

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Speaker 3: only way I would ever even think of something like

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Speaker 3: that is if you could have depoliticize the police department

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Speaker 3: by having their own stream of income identified. But no,

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Speaker 3: I think they're going to do it. I think there's

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Speaker 3: there's some you know, there is support to do it

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Speaker 3: across the board, and I think that's one of the

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Speaker 3: things that's really unfortunate here. There's a lot of folks

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Speaker 3: in the business community, a lot of folks in the

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Speaker 3: same for commerce, who have gone along with what this

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Speaker 3: whole Democratic Council is doing, you know, because it's in

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Speaker 3: their best interest to you know, but to do their

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Speaker 3: development projects and other things of that nature. They have

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Speaker 3: a friendly audience for that, and it really looks like

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Speaker 3: the tax burden on their workers, and it looks like

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Speaker 3: what's going on with public safety has become a secondary

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Speaker 3: concern of that. So, you know, you can count on

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Speaker 3: that going on the ballot. I think you're can also

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Speaker 3: count on organized opposition to it, particularly if it is

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Speaker 3: it's going to be going into the general fund where

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Speaker 3: these guys can spend it at will.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's an easy thing to say, we can generate

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Speaker 1: more tax revenue by increasing income taxes, and of course

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Speaker 1: it stands to reason that might happen. But fortunately people

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Speaker 1: in this country have the ability to pack up their

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Speaker 1: bags and move, which is happening across this country article

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Speaker 1: after article after article on a state level. On a

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Speaker 1: local level, if you make things terrible by way of

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Speaker 1: not dealing with crime, homelessness, drug abuse, or you defund

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01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:41,800
Speaker 1: the police, crime runs a buck. You have wolp prosecutors

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01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:45,160
Speaker 1: who aren't putting people in jail, things deteriorate. People tend

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Speaker 1: to leave. And also, if you put an open and

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Speaker 1: welcome to do business sign on the city of Cincinnati,

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01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 1: what business and it's right mind is going to choose

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Speaker 1: within the city limits to operate a business when they

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Speaker 1: can just jump outside of the city limits or maybe

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Speaker 1: even outside of Hamilton County and choose one of the

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Speaker 1: more attractive counties or cities to set up shop in.

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Speaker 1: We're in competition. Increase in income tax is not good

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Speaker 1: for residents moving into the area. I would guess.

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Speaker 3: No, I think it's terrible, and I'll tell you what

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01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:16,639
Speaker 3: we and I think you just put your finger on why.

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Speaker 3: A lot of the business community of business leaders don't

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Speaker 3: really cares. A lot of their employees now can work

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Speaker 3: from home. Yes, you know our competition. Everyone's thinking like,

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Speaker 3: oh my god, our competition is Indianapolis or Columbus or

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Speaker 3: whatever for this business. No, our competitions Madeira and Green

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Speaker 3: Township and you know, Marymont and these these you know,

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Speaker 3: self sustaining municipalities where life's pretty good, Sycamore townsip, you

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01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 3: know where if you totally work from home using your

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Speaker 3: laptop and do not have a an actual office downtown,

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Speaker 3: you no longer have to stay the city or in

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Speaker 3: text even though your employer is downtown. There are workarounds.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you can thanks to Microsoft teams Zoom and

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01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 3: a really in a nice Internet connect and a lot

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Speaker 3: of white collar workers who are highly compensated and who

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Speaker 3: pay the bulk of this tax can work from home.

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Speaker 3: So you know, that is a new reality, and I don't.

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Speaker 3: We have not actually had an income tax increase during

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Speaker 3: this work from home era, and I think they may

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Speaker 3: be in for a very rude awakening. It might not

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Speaker 3: lead to the level of increased tractor sees that they

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01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:25,719
Speaker 3: are anticipating. And it also goes to the prime issue

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Speaker 3: because people are looking to get out of downtown right now.

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Speaker 3: I mean they are. I mean I hear an anecdotally,

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Speaker 3: I've got real estate clients downtown. You know, just these

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Speaker 3: these viral images of these fights like an Opening Day

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Speaker 3: or you know on the Fourth Street brawl last year.

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Speaker 3: I mean, no matter what people how they try to

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Speaker 3: recharacterize them, they hear the living daylights out of a

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Speaker 3: lot of people who don't have to be downtown every day,

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Speaker 3: but who's used to be. So it's a problem too.

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Speaker 1: That's a great thing about America. You have choices on

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Speaker 1: where you live, where you want to, you know, pay

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Speaker 1: tax dollars. Let's have a good return on invent which

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Speaker 1: apparently the city's not delivering on. Steve Gooden, I wish

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Speaker 1: you were still on council because you're a voice of

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Speaker 1: reason and common sense and we certainly miss one on

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Speaker 1: Cincinna City Council, pointing out again elections have significant consequences,

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Speaker 1: and well you deal with you lay in the bed

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Speaker 1: you made by voting. Steve will I hope you get

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Speaker 1: to join the program again real soon. You always are

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Speaker 1: on for really important subject matters, and I appreciate your

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Speaker 1: willingness to spend time with my listeners and me.

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Speaker 3: Sir, got it. It's an ampoaloon, honor Brian, You take

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Speaker 3: care of Thank for having me on.

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Speaker 1: You do the same. Steve Gooden Porter Wright is the

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Speaker 1: firm seven twenty seven right now for seven thirty two

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Speaker 1: fifty five care City Talk station. Find them online. We

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Speaker 1: either people Convention dot Org. Who is he? He's Tom's

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01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:42,360
Speaker 1: Awastowski if we the People Convention dot or He's got

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01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:44,479
Speaker 1: a new podcast there every week which you can follow.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, Tom, It's always nice having you on the show.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's great, you know, to be on with you.

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Speaker 2: And I'm listening to this conversation you're having about the

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01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:55,320
Speaker 2: city of Cincinnati and Bryan.

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Speaker 3: It just doesn't make any sense. I mean, it makes

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Speaker 3: no sense.

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Speaker 2: They've got a two billion dollar budget and they're acting like,

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Speaker 2: you know, to cut twelve million dollars, we got to

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Speaker 2: cut six million from the police force. I mean, I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's what's twelve million dollars out of two billion. It's

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Speaker 2: like less than one percent. How long will it take

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Speaker 2: you and your wife to figure out how to cut

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Speaker 2: one percent and your spending for the rest of this

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Speaker 2: year if you went home today now, I.

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Speaker 1: Could figure that out in my thoughts in the back

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Speaker 1: of my head right now, already did.

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Speaker 2: It right now, right. So here's the problem. This is

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Speaker 2: nuts look at their budgets for the last three years.

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Speaker 2: Okay in twenty twenty four. I'm using my handy AI,

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Speaker 2: so these may not be totally accurate. But in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four their budget was one point eight billion, and

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Speaker 2: it was a change of sixteen percent increase from the

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Speaker 2: year before, when inflation was three point four. In twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty five that went up to one point nine to

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Speaker 2: five billion, which is another eight point three percent increase.

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Speaker 2: Inflation was three percent. This year they're at two point

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Speaker 2: sixty seven billion, which is a six percent increase. Inflation

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Speaker 2: is two point five. What are you talking about, how

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01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:07,120
Speaker 2: there's no controls on their spending. It's real simple. I

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01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:08,799
Speaker 2: raise the income taxes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, get out of here, shut up.

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Speaker 2: Cut suspending.

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Speaker 3: You're just spending like drug and sailors.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know you ran about the city budget. We'll

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Speaker 1: dovetailed quite nicely in the v V. Ramasant He's proposal

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Speaker 1: regarding property tax rollbacks, because I think in the final

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Speaker 1: analysis and we'll get into details on this in the

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Speaker 1: next segment, Final analysis it we're gonna cut it, We're

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Speaker 1: gonna roll them back, and then local governments will continue.

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Speaker 1: This is from his website. Local governments will continue to operate,

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Speaker 1: but with greater discipline. That's kind of what you're driving at,

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Speaker 1: isn't it, Tom. The City of Cincinnati needs to exercise

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Speaker 1: a greater measure of discipline, like, for example, not chasing

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Speaker 1: carbon dioxide and quit spending so much damn money on

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01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:50,479
Speaker 1: green energy proposals which do nothing to help the planet

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Speaker 1: or the residents of the City of Cincinnati's core needs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the discussion that I've been having with

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Speaker 2: the Veik for the last six months. The property tax

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Speaker 2: is obviously the most important issue in the state. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you know, all the polls show that people are really

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Speaker 2: incensive about that and it has to be addressed. But

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Speaker 2: it's more than just giving people the money back that

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Speaker 2: were stolen from them when they raised property taxes so

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Speaker 2: crazily in the last few years. It's about reforming our

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Speaker 2: local governments because we have a problem. Every government entity

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Speaker 2: in Ohio operates like the City of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 3: The answer is always.

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Speaker 2: Backs mars for money. There's never never going to be cutbacks.

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Speaker 2: And I said to the think you can't. They won't

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Speaker 2: cut back voluntarily. The only way to force them to

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Speaker 2: rethink what they're doing is to take some money from

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Speaker 2: them that makes them do that. And that's what this

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Speaker 2: property tax is about. As well as giving people, you know,

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Speaker 2: some some fair property tax rates, it's about reforming state

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Speaker 2: government and local government.

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Speaker 1: It's great, starve the cancer. That's the way to get

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Speaker 1: around it. Let's bought. We'll pause. We'll bring Tom z

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Speaker 1: Auwastowski from We the People Convention up the talk station

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Speaker 1: seven a fifty five k CD talk station. Bryan Thomas

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Speaker 1: talking with Tom z Awastowski. We the People Convention dot

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Speaker 1: org is the website. Check it out. Lot's good reporting

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Speaker 1: there and of course his weekly podcast right there at

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Speaker 1: the website. Tom Zawastowski pivoted over to VVA Grammaswami's plan

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Speaker 1: and some of the information that he puts ahead of

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Speaker 1: the proposal, which is really important to point out. Our

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Speaker 1: property taxes generally in Ohio have gone up forty five

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Speaker 1: percent since twenty twenty A. How taxpayers are now paying

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Speaker 1: roughly forty percent more pupil per pupil than before COVID pandemic.

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Speaker 1: And yet, as we all know and are sadly and

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Speaker 1: painfully aware of, well public schools, math, reading and writing

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01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:55,000
Speaker 1: standards have all deteriorated in spite of the fact that

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Speaker 1: we're paying forty percent more per pupil, so money does

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Speaker 1: not translate into superior academics. I think this is the

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Speaker 1: lead in saying, hey, time to tighten the belt. Viva

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Speaker 1: Ramaswami's plan is too, well, immediately roll back the property

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Speaker 1: tax levels. It's pretty substantially and that results in what

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Speaker 1: tomasz Awastowski, what are we all to do if, like,

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Speaker 1: for example, he rolls back to property taxes, the money's

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Speaker 1: not going to roll in. So how are the schools

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Speaker 1: going to get funded? Tom?

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Speaker 2: Well, see this is the push pool that you're seeing

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Speaker 2: between the ax Ohio tax group, which is saying we

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Speaker 2: want to total repeal all property taxes, and when you say, well, okay,

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Speaker 2: how are you going to fund the schools, their answer

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Speaker 2: is that's for their job to figure out. And a

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Speaker 2: lot of people are concerned and say that's not a plan.

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Speaker 2: And you know, if you reveal all property taxes, you

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01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 2: kind of have chaos. So what I think the bank

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Speaker 2: and the legislature now he's talking to the legislature about

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Speaker 2: getting on board with this. What they're talking about is

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Speaker 2: rolling back. You notice he's talking about reform and rolling

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Speaker 2: back property taxes. He's talking about going back to either

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty or twenty twenty one levels, which is before

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Speaker 2: these egregious increases of thirty percent or forty percent happened

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Speaker 2: in a lot of communities based on the property valuation. Okay,

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Speaker 2: that's where this thing went off the rails. So he's

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Speaker 2: not saying we're gonna eliminate property taxes, We're going to

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Speaker 2: roll them back. But what that's gonna do is it's

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Speaker 2: going to amount to a lot of savings for I mean,

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Speaker 2: a lot of people are gonna save thousands of dollars

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Speaker 2: a year going forward if he does that on their

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Speaker 2: property guns. But the schools and the police and the

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Speaker 2: fire it's looking to me from the figures that they're

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Speaker 2: sharing with me, is this gonna be like a nine

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Speaker 2: or ten percent cut. Okay, Now, you know you could

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01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:48,920
Speaker 2: cut a dollar from any government agency and l screen

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Speaker 2: bloody murders day I got to shut down, right, But

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Speaker 2: nine or ten percent is in this realm where they

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01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:58,320
Speaker 2: now don't have enough way to keep doing business as usual.

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Speaker 2: So maybe we got to combine these departments, or maybe

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01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:04,599
Speaker 2: we've got to consolidate these school systems, or maybe we've

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01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:08,080
Speaker 2: got to, like your one person was talking about updating

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01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:11,760
Speaker 2: this database that the police has, the records system that

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01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:14,400
Speaker 2: doesn't work well, And this is the kind of stuff

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01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:18,759
Speaker 2: that we've got to get elected officials thinking about, because

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Speaker 2: they never do. They just think, well, we can't get anybody,

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Speaker 2: we can't get any expenses, and we have these pet

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Speaker 2: projects we want to do, so let's just keep raising taxes.

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Speaker 3: That's just not the answer.

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Speaker 2: And so I think Rebak's trying to take a more

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01:24:33,439 --> 01:24:37,559
Speaker 2: reasonable approach, and I'm pushing him to now, like, let's

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01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:40,960
Speaker 2: put this really out there for the legislature to put

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Speaker 2: on the ballot. And I think he's just very respectful

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Speaker 2: of the ax Ohio tax people. He met with them,

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Speaker 2: he knows Brian Massey and Leonard those guys are patriots.

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Speaker 2: I love those guys. He's and so he's kind of

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01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:56,479
Speaker 2: not ready to just come out and say, don't do

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Speaker 2: what they're asking me to do. He wants to give

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Speaker 2: them their chance, but if they don't make it on

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Speaker 2: the ballot, I think he's preparing something that it's going

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01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:06,600
Speaker 2: to really help. It's going to help you individually as

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Speaker 2: a tax payer, and it's going to help reform our government,

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Speaker 2: which is the other really important thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll acknowledge I wouldn't mind having the property

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Speaker 1: taxes roll back to pre COVID. I mean, we've got

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Speaker 1: six years worth of relief or increases that I deal with.

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Speaker 1: That that is going to That suggests to me that

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Speaker 1: they're going to have to come up with a new

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01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:28,080
Speaker 1: methodology for calculating property taxes generally because it was that

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01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:31,559
Speaker 1: massive spike as a consequence of COVID, when people realize

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01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:33,240
Speaker 1: they didn't have to work anymore or go to work

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01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:36,200
Speaker 1: anymore downtown, they moved all over the place, increasing the

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Speaker 1: price of homes everywhere. And we all know how that worked.

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Speaker 1: But it's still calculated based upon the market value of

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Speaker 1: the home.

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Speaker 3: So we needs a change.

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Speaker 2: That's that's going to go, And you saw the legislature

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Speaker 2: actually made a move in that direction. And that has

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Speaker 2: to do with, not to get too technical, the inside

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01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:54,960
Speaker 2: millage and the outside millage, which most people don't even

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Speaker 2: know what the hell a mill is, but the whole

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Speaker 2: thing about using the property value you to decide the

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Speaker 2: inside millage, which is the taxes, the private taxes that

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Speaker 2: schools and communities can put on you without a vote.

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Speaker 2: Well they've changed that now and then, and REVEC is

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Speaker 2: really for this where it's going to be tied to inflation,

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Speaker 2: not to your property value, because that's a much more

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Speaker 2: sane standard for calculating, and that will so it's not

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Speaker 2: only let's roll this back, let's slow it down. Okay,

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Speaker 2: there might even be a thing on here for the

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Speaker 2: outside millage that yeah, you could still put a new

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Speaker 2: property tax on the ballot, but maybe you got to

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Speaker 2: get sixty percent of the vote to pass it or

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Speaker 2: fifty five, so it's a little harder. So there's talk

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Speaker 2: about those kind of restraints as well on regrowing it

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Speaker 2: once you cut it back, because that's what they always do, right,

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Speaker 2: You cut something and the next year they say, oh,

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Speaker 2: we can't survive.

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Speaker 3: We got to ticket all back and go further.

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Speaker 1: Well in the other layer in this and I'm not

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Speaker 1: quite sure how it factors in where we can figure

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Speaker 1: out the reality of it, but I think it it's

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01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:04,320
Speaker 1: very clear the embracing of school choice across this country.

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Speaker 1: Many states are allowing the tax payer dollars to follow

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Speaker 1: the children. I like the concept, but statistically, I think

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Speaker 1: there are fewer people in the public schools given that

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Speaker 1: We've got all kinds of options, including you know, ed

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Speaker 1: getting educated at home. Home schooling is great for a

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Speaker 1: lot of people. There are other schools out there that

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Speaker 1: people want to go to, like the Sincinnti Classical for example.

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Speaker 1: So more competition means maybe lesser needs from the public

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Speaker 1: school system. They can afford to tighten their belts a

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Speaker 1: little bit.

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Speaker 3: Well, and this is really the insane part of that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look at those stats who just stated that

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Speaker 2: the VEG puts out there, we're paying forty percent more

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01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:44,800
Speaker 2: for pupils and our scores are going down.

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Speaker 3: I mean, wow.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So here's the bottom line. You know, our public

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Speaker 2: school system, which is really just a jobs program for

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01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:57,599
Speaker 2: leftist you know teachers, that is as dead men walking.

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Speaker 2: AI is going to just drom natly change the whole education.

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Speaker 3: System like it or not.

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Speaker 2: And there's a video at our website at Weadpeopleconvention dot org.

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Speaker 2: You can go to the video section and there's a

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Speaker 2: real interesting video about how AI will change education where

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01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:18,800
Speaker 2: these people are actually doing it. They're not talking about it.

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01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:21,960
Speaker 2: They've started schools and you may not agree with what

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01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:24,880
Speaker 2: they say before, you got to watch that video because

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Speaker 2: it's it's the most interesting thing I've seen about how

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Speaker 2: will AI really impact schools. The other line is Brian

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Speaker 2: the trades man. Yes, the trades I was just having

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Speaker 2: a conversation this weekend with one of my nephews because

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01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:43,519
Speaker 2: he's got two boys, who are, you know, just graduating

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Speaker 2: from high school and one's just going to college, and

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01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:49,919
Speaker 2: I'm saying, stop, you kind of look at their future.

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01:28:50,479 --> 01:28:53,920
Speaker 2: Their future is not getting a college education right now.

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Speaker 2: You want to make bank, go to a trade school man.

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Speaker 2: You'll be making you know, over one hundred thousand a

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01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:03,960
Speaker 2: year and six months, and you'll have a future because

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01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:06,640
Speaker 2: you'll have some money to invest in companies in the

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01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:09,320
Speaker 2: stock market, which is where the growth will be. This

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01:29:09,479 --> 01:29:11,920
Speaker 2: whole idea of like let's go to college and spends

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01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:13,720
Speaker 2: four years learn is something that you can't get a

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01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:16,280
Speaker 2: job in has got to stop. And that's why you're

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Speaker 2: seeing twenty five percent of colleges are in danger of

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01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:22,120
Speaker 2: closing down. It's going to be seventy five percent of

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01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:25,160
Speaker 2: colleges are going to close down. We need to reorient Brian,

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Speaker 2: because we're not in Kansas anymore.

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Speaker 1: Dorothy, No, that's great, it's a great observation and you know,

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01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:32,600
Speaker 1: just yeah, you need to think it's not even that

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01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:35,840
Speaker 1: much out of the box. AI. Okay, computers crunching numbers,

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01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:38,360
Speaker 1: crunching data, you know, bringing about some great benefits in

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01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:40,639
Speaker 1: some areas and frightening people in the other areas because

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01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:43,360
Speaker 1: they might lose their job because of it. What can't

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01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:50,880
Speaker 1: computers do? Answer trades? Plumbing, electric building things? Puts all right? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I listened to my daughter's fiancees in the trades. He

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01:29:53,479 --> 01:29:55,360
Speaker 1: went to college, but he was in the roofing game

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01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:57,040
Speaker 1: when he was in college. He just stuck it out

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01:29:57,080 --> 01:29:59,960
Speaker 1: and he is making a living and providing in part

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01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:02,600
Speaker 1: for my daughter based upon in the roofing business. And

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01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:05,320
Speaker 1: he loves it. And you know, that's it's the wave

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Speaker 1: of the future.

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Speaker 5: And I'm glad you And again, Brian, it's not forever.

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01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:11,479
Speaker 2: See these people get so. You know, we were fortunate

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01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:13,559
Speaker 2: to live in and our grandparents of in a world

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01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:16,160
Speaker 2: where you went to work at whatever the GM plan

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01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:18,479
Speaker 2: or something and you work there your entire life. We

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01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:21,680
Speaker 2: didn't quite get that, but we got some stability. But

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01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:23,920
Speaker 2: if you're going to work in the trades, this might

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01:30:24,040 --> 01:30:26,599
Speaker 2: be a five or ten year deal because you can

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01:30:26,720 --> 01:30:29,720
Speaker 2: make some bank and really get invested. And then as

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01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:33,320
Speaker 2: the AI world starts to evolve, you're not going to

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01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:35,240
Speaker 2: be doing the same thing you were doing. You're gonna

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01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:37,800
Speaker 2: be doing something else. And so you got to look

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01:30:37,880 --> 01:30:40,840
Speaker 2: at it from where's the opportunity right now? And you

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01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:43,680
Speaker 2: got to take that opportunity right now.

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Speaker 1: All going back to a reduction in the needs of

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Speaker 1: the traditional public education system. Toms awast ask you we

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Speaker 1: the people Convention dot orgs where you follow and bookmark

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01:30:52,439 --> 01:30:53,880
Speaker 1: the page and check out what he has to say

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Speaker 1: and all the things he posts up each and every week.

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Speaker 1: And I'm staring at the video page here. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to take a look at that. How will AI change education?

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Speaker 3: We're gonna love it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm definitely gonna watch that when I get off

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Speaker 1: the program this morning. Tom. Look forward to having you

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01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:06,559
Speaker 1: back on real soon. Have a great week, my friend.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for your time, save you guys. Thanks for having

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Speaker 1: me on. Brian, I love being with you. I appreciate

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Speaker 1: you being with us. Seven to fifty right now, ifty

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Speaker 1: five care Se eighth six and fifty five kre CD

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Speaker 1: talk station. Happy Tuesday, Bubble Burst Brian Thomas usually on

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Speaker 1: the program. Now we are going to be talking with

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Speaker 1: Inside Scoop, get the inside scoop with the bright Bart Newsday.

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Speaker 1: It was going to be the immigration editor. Someone said

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Speaker 1: at a search party, John Benner not picking up this morning,

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Speaker 1: which is kind of unusual anyway, which means you're free

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Speaker 1: to call. What do you want to talk about? Five one, three, seven,

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Speaker 1: four nine fifty, five hundred, eight hundred and eighty two

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Speaker 1: to three talk ton five fifty on AT and T phones.

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Speaker 1: Before we get to that, just remember ken Kober was

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Speaker 1: on earlier this morning about the proposed six point six

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Speaker 1: million dollar cuts to the City of Cincinnati's budget for

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Speaker 1: the police department. Yes, they did by resolution approve eight

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Speaker 1: million dollars for the River Bend project a week go.

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Speaker 1: Now they're gonna cut six million, more than six million

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Speaker 1: from the police at least that's currently being proposed. They

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Speaker 1: got time to The mayor has time to get his

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Speaker 1: budget together, which he'll present the Cincinnati City Council, which

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Speaker 1: must approve it sometime in June. So this is the

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Speaker 1: conversation time we're talking about right now and swirling around

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Speaker 1: that as we talked about with Tom Zauwastowski and Steve Gooden,

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Speaker 1: who preceded Tom Steve talking about the twenty nine and

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Speaker 1: a half million dollar budget deficit. And we find out

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Speaker 1: this morning with all the reporting on the budget deficit

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Speaker 1: generally and the specific cuts of the police, this problem

1705
01:32:29,200 --> 01:32:35,120
Speaker 1: has been going on for a long long time. City

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01:32:35,200 --> 01:32:38,479
Speaker 1: Cincinnati has a spending problem. There's no doubt about it.

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01:32:39,400 --> 01:32:41,360
Speaker 1: So you can hear Steve Gooden talk about the twenty

1708
01:32:41,479 --> 01:32:44,120
Speaker 1: nine and a half million dollars shortfall, and according to

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01:32:44,160 --> 01:32:46,320
Speaker 1: Jeff Crammerting, since the councilmember, this is going to continue

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01:32:46,360 --> 01:32:48,400
Speaker 1: on into the future. And I can only imagine how

1711
01:32:48,479 --> 01:32:53,200
Speaker 1: this has impacted our budget rating. Yeah, which means next

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01:32:53,240 --> 01:32:54,920
Speaker 1: time the city wants to borrow money, they probably have

1713
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:56,280
Speaker 1: to pay more in interest on it. And I think

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01:32:56,320 --> 01:32:58,599
Speaker 1: Steve pointed out we're paying a million dollars annual interest

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01:32:58,680 --> 01:33:02,200
Speaker 1: in stuff we've already borrowed. Of course, the streetcar. And

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01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:04,640
Speaker 1: thank you Christopher Smitheman for remind letting me know. I

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01:33:04,680 --> 01:33:08,200
Speaker 1: guess today is the last day. If I read the

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01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:13,160
Speaker 1: article correctly for the Washington d C Streetcar headline from

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01:33:13,160 --> 01:33:16,599
Speaker 1: the Washington Post, d C Streetcar is making its final stop,

1720
01:33:17,479 --> 01:33:20,400
Speaker 1: leaving a mixed legacy two point two mile line along

1721
01:33:20,600 --> 01:33:23,439
Speaker 1: h Street will have its final day of service today.

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01:33:24,160 --> 01:33:29,000
Speaker 1: One resident quote, I will never miss you close. Quote

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01:33:29,800 --> 01:33:30,280
Speaker 1: that's one.

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01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:32,479
Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: I would suggest it would be a very reasonable thing

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01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:39,320
Speaker 1: to just end the operation of the streetcar. Christopher said,

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01:33:39,320 --> 01:33:43,040
Speaker 1: it's five million dollars a year. How much ROI do

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01:33:43,120 --> 01:33:47,560
Speaker 1: we get on that? There are failed streetcar projects and

1729
01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:51,240
Speaker 1: there are maybe some successful one. I guess Portland just expanded.

1730
01:33:51,360 --> 01:33:54,719
Speaker 1: It's fine if the City of Portland wants to do that. Fine,

1731
01:33:55,040 --> 01:33:58,160
Speaker 1: if it's providing and generating revenue and income, fine. I

1732
01:33:58,200 --> 01:34:00,800
Speaker 1: don't think anybody can put up some information up that's

1733
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:03,080
Speaker 1: going to suggest or show that the Cincinnati street car

1734
01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:05,839
Speaker 1: is actually doing any of that. And of course, because

1735
01:34:05,960 --> 01:34:11,479
Speaker 1: it's free, something that operates for free still requires maintenance

1736
01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:14,760
Speaker 1: and upkeep, electricity employees to operate it, and on and

1737
01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:18,240
Speaker 1: on and on so and I just find it puzzling

1738
01:34:18,439 --> 01:34:21,880
Speaker 1: that the city, I think failing its residents, at least

1739
01:34:21,920 --> 01:34:24,040
Speaker 1: in terms of law enforcement, is concerned. There are not

1740
01:34:24,280 --> 01:34:27,000
Speaker 1: enough police officers out there. Takes forever for them to

1741
01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:30,560
Speaker 1: show up on a run. And of course, with crime increasing,

1742
01:34:30,720 --> 01:34:34,280
Speaker 1: youths running amock, locking down streets and shutting down areas

1743
01:34:34,360 --> 01:34:36,320
Speaker 1: just because they've got social media and now to connect

1744
01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:38,000
Speaker 1: them all, and they've got nothing better to do, and

1745
01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:40,240
Speaker 1: apparently parents that don't care where they are at any

1746
01:34:40,280 --> 01:34:42,759
Speaker 1: given hour of the day. It's becoming a growing problem,

1747
01:34:42,800 --> 01:34:45,960
Speaker 1: that says ken Kober. Try to get somebody to become

1748
01:34:45,960 --> 01:34:49,280
Speaker 1: a police officer, even if you're not defunding the police,

1749
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:55,519
Speaker 1: which some argue, that's really what's behind this proposed budget cut.

1750
01:34:56,160 --> 01:34:58,360
Speaker 1: It's because we have to do it, not because we

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01:34:58,479 --> 01:35:00,240
Speaker 1: want to do it. Oh but behind the scene, so

1752
01:35:00,360 --> 01:35:02,800
Speaker 1: many people in this administration actually want to cut the

1753
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:10,719
Speaker 1: police department and how and why. Their own survey revealed

1754
01:35:10,760 --> 01:35:13,760
Speaker 1: that police are a pretty damn high priority for the

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01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:16,160
Speaker 1: residents of the city of Cincinnati. Something else that was

1756
01:35:16,200 --> 01:35:18,559
Speaker 1: pointed out in the reporting on this this morning. Yeah,

1757
01:35:19,720 --> 01:35:22,600
Speaker 1: how about that that roads mm hmm, snow remil was

1758
01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:24,959
Speaker 1: a high priority and the fire department all high priorities.

1759
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:26,519
Speaker 1: No one in there, nothing in there about a solar

1760
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:29,280
Speaker 1: panel array. Obviously, I'm gonna tear about that one because

1761
01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:30,920
Speaker 1: every time I think about the residents of the city

1762
01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:37,519
Speaker 1: of Cincinnati and the taxpayers that some brilliant person, maybe

1763
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:41,120
Speaker 1: the mayor, had the idea that we are going to

1764
01:35:41,160 --> 01:35:44,400
Speaker 1: start building our own carbon free environment. Oh it's going

1765
01:35:44,479 --> 01:35:49,559
Speaker 1: to power the city or I don't care maintenance, upkeep,

1766
01:35:49,640 --> 01:35:53,200
Speaker 1: construction costs. You're not doing a damn thing to solve

1767
01:35:53,240 --> 01:35:56,000
Speaker 1: this alleged problem that we've got going on with carbon

1768
01:35:56,120 --> 01:35:59,360
Speaker 1: dioxide aka plant food floating around the planet. What can

1769
01:35:59,439 --> 01:36:03,280
Speaker 1: one city do? I know, I'm beating this dead horse

1770
01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:05,280
Speaker 1: and probably sick of me going on on him. And

1771
01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:08,080
Speaker 1: because it's just a m the whole topic drives me

1772
01:36:08,160 --> 01:36:14,000
Speaker 1: out of my mind. Someone do a quick calculation, if

1773
01:36:14,040 --> 01:36:17,559
Speaker 1: you got the information handling how much how much carbon

1774
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:21,439
Speaker 1: dioxide does the city not expel into the world because

1775
01:36:21,479 --> 01:36:22,439
Speaker 1: of the solar panels?

1776
01:36:23,960 --> 01:36:24,080
Speaker 3: Right?

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01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:27,720
Speaker 1: Once you got that figure, how much carbon dioxide and

1778
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:32,040
Speaker 1: other pollutants were spewed into the atmosphere as a consequence

1779
01:36:32,080 --> 01:36:34,840
Speaker 1: of Oh, the war between Russia and Ukraine just one.

1780
01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:37,519
Speaker 1: Maybe the recent conflict that we're engaged with now, some

1781
01:36:37,680 --> 01:36:40,559
Speaker 1: call to war like me, between the United States Israel

1782
01:36:40,640 --> 01:36:43,880
Speaker 1: on one side and Iran on the other. You think

1783
01:36:43,960 --> 01:36:46,320
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit with the bombs blowing off literally

1784
01:36:46,439 --> 01:36:48,559
Speaker 1: every couple of seconds, all the ones that are coming

1785
01:36:48,600 --> 01:36:51,040
Speaker 1: in toward the Arab nations in Israel and our tar

1786
01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:54,599
Speaker 1: in our military bases. Boom boom, boom boom. Carbon dioxide

1787
01:36:54,640 --> 01:36:58,280
Speaker 1: carbonox had another pollutants as well. Hmm, love the smell

1788
01:36:58,320 --> 01:36:59,200
Speaker 1: and napalm in the morning.

1789
01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:01,880
Speaker 3: Nothing.

1790
01:37:02,040 --> 01:37:07,600
Speaker 1: We are doing nothing. Metaphorically slap in the face and

1791
01:37:07,640 --> 01:37:09,320
Speaker 1: ask them to do the calculations then come up with

1792
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:13,880
Speaker 1: a justification for continuing to spend limited scarce on into

1793
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:19,160
Speaker 1: the future taxpayer dollars. That would not be a priority

1794
01:37:19,200 --> 01:37:21,120
Speaker 1: for me Wreike City council member. But then again, it's

1795
01:37:21,160 --> 01:37:22,439
Speaker 1: not a priority for you at all, because they don't

1796
01:37:22,439 --> 01:37:24,760
Speaker 1: think it should be for anybody. Will, thanks for calling

1797
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:25,120
Speaker 1: this morning.

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01:37:25,160 --> 01:37:25,280
Speaker 3: Will.

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01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:26,600
Speaker 1: It's been a while. Good to hear from you here

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01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:28,800
Speaker 1: in the morning show. Oh it's not that Will, so

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01:37:28,880 --> 01:37:29,880
Speaker 1: it's still good to hear from you.

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01:37:29,960 --> 01:37:30,120
Speaker 3: Will.

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01:37:30,200 --> 01:37:34,880
Speaker 1: I was mistaken your will number two good here.

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01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:35,639
Speaker 6: Promy Brian.

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01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:37,599
Speaker 3: This one.

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01:37:39,400 --> 01:37:44,160
Speaker 6: I might have to agree, but disagree. And we had

1807
01:37:44,200 --> 01:37:50,440
Speaker 6: the same problem here in Kentucky. If it's an overkill,

1808
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:54,240
Speaker 6: I mean, you gotta have these vehicles for the highway,

1809
01:37:54,360 --> 01:37:58,479
Speaker 6: I understand, okay, but these cars they drive around it,

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01:37:58,600 --> 01:38:04,160
Speaker 6: and they said sent a hundred officers short. Okay, Now

1811
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:08,160
Speaker 6: that's a hundred of these cars that they drive and

1812
01:38:08,280 --> 01:38:11,880
Speaker 6: these are very exceptive cars, and they're suited.

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01:38:11,640 --> 01:38:16,519
Speaker 1: Up well well, well will, will Will. I have no

1814
01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:19,920
Speaker 1: idea what you're talking about. You said you're gonna have

1815
01:38:19,960 --> 01:38:21,560
Speaker 1: to agree to disagree. I don't even know what the

1816
01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:23,679
Speaker 1: subject matter is as of right now. So let's start

1817
01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:24,400
Speaker 1: with let's.

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01:38:24,600 --> 01:38:28,360
Speaker 6: About the budget or the police. I'm sorry I just

1819
01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:31,560
Speaker 6: jumped in, but at the budget all the police, and

1820
01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:35,000
Speaker 6: I can understand why they made need to come back

1821
01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:39,960
Speaker 6: because it's an overtill on these cars they drive. I mean,

1822
01:38:40,120 --> 01:38:44,160
Speaker 6: my god, we got the same thing here in Kentucky.

1823
01:38:44,920 --> 01:38:49,320
Speaker 6: They got these cars. I mean, these whatever SUVs or

1824
01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:52,040
Speaker 6: whatever they are, I mean, nobody can afford them. They

1825
01:38:52,200 --> 01:38:55,160
Speaker 6: drive around in Lundry and every one of them, you know,

1826
01:38:55,280 --> 01:39:00,880
Speaker 6: one hundred thousand dollars each on these and they drive

1827
01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:05,240
Speaker 6: around and I asked just one cop, sir, with all

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01:39:05,320 --> 01:39:06,200
Speaker 6: their respect.

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01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:08,080
Speaker 1: Of love, I'll tell you what it's kind of in

1830
01:39:08,120 --> 01:39:11,120
Speaker 1: the chase. Ninety percent of the police budget is for personnel,

1831
01:39:11,360 --> 01:39:14,240
Speaker 1: not equipment. Ten percent is for equipment. They're not going

1832
01:39:14,280 --> 01:39:16,040
Speaker 1: out and getting brand new cars every single day. As

1833
01:39:16,040 --> 01:39:19,080
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, they drive those things until they're undrivable.

1834
01:39:19,600 --> 01:39:21,880
Speaker 1: And you got to have police with cars because they

1835
01:39:21,960 --> 01:39:24,400
Speaker 1: have to drive all the way across town from the

1836
01:39:24,520 --> 01:39:27,600
Speaker 1: remote districts where the city council decided they should be,

1837
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:30,559
Speaker 1: compared to where the police president should be in any

1838
01:39:30,600 --> 01:39:32,840
Speaker 1: other given district. So they got a fifteen minute drive

1839
01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:34,600
Speaker 1: to go from one place to another. You need a

1840
01:39:34,680 --> 01:39:37,920
Speaker 1: car to do that, So I don't know how you

1841
01:39:38,040 --> 01:39:40,599
Speaker 1: deal without cars. And you go ask a police officer

1842
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:43,120
Speaker 1: if he thinks he's driving around in a lap of luxury,

1843
01:39:43,280 --> 01:39:45,679
Speaker 1: driving one of these Crown Vics or even an SUV.

1844
01:39:46,360 --> 01:39:48,800
Speaker 1: You gotta have some place to put the equipment you

1845
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:50,760
Speaker 1: got to get from point A to point B. I

1846
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:53,120
Speaker 1: don't know how many charging stations are in the city limits,

1847
01:39:53,120 --> 01:39:54,640
Speaker 1: so I don't think he can use an EV to

1848
01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:57,439
Speaker 1: do it. But the problem you're suggesting wouldn't be solved

1849
01:39:57,439 --> 01:40:00,599
Speaker 1: by that. It's an expense that every police departartman has.

1850
01:40:01,120 --> 01:40:03,160
Speaker 1: They can't ride the street car to get to the

1851
01:40:03,240 --> 01:40:07,080
Speaker 1: crime scene. How do you have law enforcement without a

1852
01:40:07,160 --> 01:40:10,080
Speaker 1: mode of transportation that gets them where they need to be.

1853
01:40:12,080 --> 01:40:14,240
Speaker 1: I don't think that's really the problem here. Let's sue

1854
01:40:14,280 --> 01:40:16,719
Speaker 1: a Bob's got Bob. Welcome to the show. Happy Tuesday

1855
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:17,000
Speaker 1: to you.

1856
01:40:18,080 --> 01:40:19,360
Speaker 5: Well, Happy Tuesday. To you too.

1857
01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:19,720
Speaker 3: Ryan.

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01:40:19,840 --> 01:40:22,040
Speaker 5: Hey, I got the one little bone pick with that

1859
01:40:22,200 --> 01:40:25,960
Speaker 5: you said a minute ago you talked about carbon dioxide

1860
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:28,759
Speaker 5: and other pollutants. Well, carbon dioxide is not a politic.

1861
01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:30,720
Speaker 1: No, it isn't, And I wasn't hold on, I was

1862
01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:34,479
Speaker 1: not suggesting that was. And I figure everybody who's regularly

1863
01:40:34,600 --> 01:40:36,120
Speaker 1: listening to me knows damn well that I do not

1864
01:40:36,200 --> 01:40:38,680
Speaker 1: believe carbon dioxide is a pllutant. I was referring to

1865
01:40:38,840 --> 01:40:42,840
Speaker 1: the actual pollution that really would come from a bomb exploding.

1866
01:40:43,240 --> 01:40:45,200
Speaker 1: So you got your carbon component and then you got

1867
01:40:45,240 --> 01:40:46,920
Speaker 1: the chemicals. That's why I said, I love to smell

1868
01:40:46,960 --> 01:40:49,360
Speaker 1: on napalm in the morning. I don't think napop is

1869
01:40:49,479 --> 01:40:53,720
Speaker 1: derived from naturally occurring atmosphere, you know.

1870
01:40:54,960 --> 01:40:57,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's true. Now as far as the police go,

1871
01:40:57,520 --> 01:41:00,400
Speaker 5: real quick, I was a volunteer fireman for fifteen years,

1872
01:41:00,840 --> 01:41:02,880
Speaker 5: and I always told the policemen that I knew they

1873
01:41:02,920 --> 01:41:04,600
Speaker 5: were the crazy ones. They thought we were crazy to

1874
01:41:04,680 --> 01:41:07,040
Speaker 5: running to get into buildings. I told them fires well,

1875
01:41:07,040 --> 01:41:09,960
Speaker 5: I knew would kill me, but they didn't. It wasn't

1876
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:12,479
Speaker 5: trying to kill me. The police will go to say

1877
01:41:12,520 --> 01:41:15,479
Speaker 5: a domestic dispute, even though they've been called there and

1878
01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:18,960
Speaker 5: suddenly they've got both sides. They're just trying to get them.

1879
01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:20,880
Speaker 5: So I always told them they were the crazy ones,

1880
01:41:21,000 --> 01:41:23,280
Speaker 5: not me. You see a lot of reasons not to

1881
01:41:23,360 --> 01:41:25,280
Speaker 5: want to be a policeman. But this part now going

1882
01:41:25,840 --> 01:41:28,800
Speaker 5: one other thing here real quick. The TSA agents. I

1883
01:41:28,880 --> 01:41:30,800
Speaker 5: wonder if we could get anybody in Congress to have

1884
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:33,240
Speaker 5: a bill where if you've got a mandatory job where

1885
01:41:33,240 --> 01:41:36,400
Speaker 5: you're required to show up, like air traffic controllers and

1886
01:41:36,560 --> 01:41:40,559
Speaker 5: TSA agents and like that, that we automatically pay them

1887
01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:42,760
Speaker 5: no matter what the budgets, you know, if they're trying

1888
01:41:42,760 --> 01:41:45,600
Speaker 5: to cancel, but magat where they automatically get paid no

1889
01:41:45,720 --> 01:41:46,080
Speaker 5: matter what.

1890
01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:49,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know how. Excuse me, I don't know

1891
01:41:49,000 --> 01:41:52,560
Speaker 1: how that would work. From a budgetary standpoint. You'd have

1892
01:41:52,720 --> 01:41:56,240
Speaker 1: to have I guess, the provision in any given budget year,

1893
01:41:56,280 --> 01:41:59,200
Speaker 1: because you're supposed to do these annual appropriation spills, you know,

1894
01:41:59,360 --> 01:42:01,639
Speaker 1: the things that never get done, so they're always extended

1895
01:42:01,680 --> 01:42:05,200
Speaker 1: with a continuing resolution or some omnibus bill. But it

1896
01:42:05,200 --> 01:42:07,599
Speaker 1: would have to be in there that specific areas are

1897
01:42:07,680 --> 01:42:10,920
Speaker 1: identified and will continue to get paid at whatever allocated amount.

1898
01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:12,599
Speaker 1: I just don't know that you can put that figure

1899
01:42:12,640 --> 01:42:16,840
Speaker 1: on paper and properly account for it. I'm sure, excuse me,

1900
01:42:18,880 --> 01:42:22,320
Speaker 1: real bad tickle the back of my throat. I'm sure

1901
01:42:22,360 --> 01:42:24,479
Speaker 1: they could figure it out, though. I think in the

1902
01:42:24,520 --> 01:42:29,719
Speaker 1: final analysis, the first place we start is that elected

1903
01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:36,879
Speaker 1: officials and their staff do not get paid during a shutdown. Representatives, senators,

1904
01:42:37,160 --> 01:42:41,799
Speaker 1: their staff, nothing, not a dime. I don't think anything

1905
01:42:42,840 --> 01:42:47,920
Speaker 1: more than a recess will get things accomplished. Quicker. Yeah,

1906
01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:50,360
Speaker 1: they'll hurry up and get something done in order to

1907
01:42:50,479 --> 01:42:52,960
Speaker 1: go home and have some free time off, because we

1908
01:42:53,040 --> 01:42:56,880
Speaker 1: all know how hard they work. That'll get things done.

1909
01:42:58,200 --> 01:43:01,120
Speaker 1: No pay may also accomplish great measure eight to seventeen.

1910
01:43:01,200 --> 01:43:03,360
Speaker 1: Right now, Prestige Interiors, get in touch with John Ryan

1911
01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:04,240
Speaker 1: and that who's.

1912
01:43:04,080 --> 01:43:04,559
Speaker 3: Who you want?

1913
01:43:07,160 --> 01:43:12,320
Speaker 1: Just Drecker executive producer, calmly, quietly and firmly asserting that

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01:43:12,360 --> 01:43:15,840
Speaker 1: there is traffic out there. You're certain of that. Joe

1915
01:43:20,439 --> 01:43:24,559
Speaker 1: five three two three, Dog five FI fifty on eighteen

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Speaker 1: and t phones reminder listener to lunch tomorrow. Liberty Collective.

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Speaker 1: Just find it online. It's Liberty dash Collective dot org

1918
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Speaker 1: or com. A whole bunch of different restaurants, quite a

1919
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Speaker 1: few alcoholic beverage options going on in there, but burgers

1920
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Speaker 1: and barbecue and Asian food and sweets, and it's anyway.

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Speaker 1: It's like going into a food court with a whole

1922
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Speaker 1: bunch of different restaurants. You pick what you want and

1923
01:43:45,560 --> 01:43:47,160
Speaker 1: we'll all sit out in the middle and enjoy each

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Speaker 1: other's company. Great fellowship at Listener to lunch. That's tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: roughly eleven thirty. I usually get there a little before

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Speaker 1: eleven thirty. We got some folks show up at eleven.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes they show up in the restaurant he's in isn't

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Speaker 1: even open at eleven. But I love seeing the listeners

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Speaker 1: that listener lunch and enjoy that fellowship. So maybe you

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Speaker 1: can join us tomorrow. Haven't been to Liberty Township in

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Speaker 1: a while, so that's where we're going to be coming

1932
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Speaker 1: up with Daniel Davis Deep dive. Of course, we're going

1933
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Speaker 1: to be looking at the developments between the well developments

1934
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Speaker 1: in Iran and obviously, again mixed messages, depending upon which

1935
01:44:21,680 --> 01:44:25,720
Speaker 1: headline or which article you're reading, Trump administration looking for

1936
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Speaker 1: an off ramp. Israel suggested that they have already completed

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Speaker 1: phase one of the war. What is phase one and

1938
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Speaker 1: what is ultimately going to be what Phase three is

1939
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Speaker 1: the end, right, Joe? Phase three is profit? So what's

1940
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Speaker 1: phase two? And it worries me to know end that

1941
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Speaker 1: the Carg Island maybe in the crosshairs of some bombing.

1942
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Speaker 1: That is the primary source of the Iranian oil revenue.

1943
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Speaker 1: It's right there. It seems like it's a pretty easy target.

1944
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Speaker 1: I realized they probably got troops in there. They mentioned

1945
01:44:56,439 --> 01:44:59,680
Speaker 1: it's probably has IEDs all over it in anticipation of

1946
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Speaker 1: a central ground invasion. I don't want a potential ground invasion.

1947
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Speaker 1: I don't want a ground invasion, quite honest with you.

1948
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Speaker 1: But that is a source of pain that could be

1949
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Speaker 1: afflicted on the Iranians. But considering how much oil they

1950
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Speaker 1: do export to the rest of the world, that would

1951
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Speaker 1: cause long term harm globally, I expect. And that's what

1952
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Speaker 1: I've been reading about that Carg Island. However, a military objective, yes,

1953
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Speaker 1: What isn't a military objective though, are some of the

1954
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Speaker 1: other things that Donald Trump suggested bombing, like the Iranian

1955
01:45:28,720 --> 01:45:35,240
Speaker 1: electric power grid and the desalination plants because of the

1956
01:45:35,400 --> 01:45:39,559
Speaker 1: significant civil demand on that. If you attack those, there

1957
01:45:39,640 --> 01:45:43,200
Speaker 1: is going to be a massive amount of pain inflicted

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Speaker 1: on the Iranian people, people that I think Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: initially had suggested might rise to help with overthrowing the

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Speaker 1: current evil regime. You want regime change, you're gonna need

1961
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Speaker 1: the Iranian people. Do you get the hearts and minds

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Speaker 1: of the Iranian people? If you deprive them of water

1963
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Speaker 1: and electricity, that will most assuredly, I don't think it's

1964
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Speaker 1: much of a read into the future. Lead to mass

1965
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Speaker 1: starvation and a lot of death, unnecessary death among civilian population,

1966
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Speaker 1: not a good look, and maybe a violation of international law.

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01:46:17,960 --> 01:46:20,240
Speaker 1: Some are out loud saying yes, that in fact would

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Speaker 1: be a violation of international law. And I know there

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Speaker 1: are listeners of audiences going screw international law. We don't

1970
01:46:27,320 --> 01:46:31,280
Speaker 1: need to pay any attention to it. But step back

1971
01:46:31,360 --> 01:46:34,600
Speaker 1: and view that from a larger, longer term projection. A

1972
01:46:34,680 --> 01:46:36,479
Speaker 1: lot of folks not happy with what we're doing here.

1973
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Speaker 1: It's obviously impacted the economies of many nations around the world.

1974
01:46:39,560 --> 01:46:43,000
Speaker 1: This deprivation of the massive quantity of energy and fertilizer

1975
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Speaker 1: that goes to the strait of horror moves the world

1976
01:46:45,160 --> 01:46:46,600
Speaker 1: looks on and says, who did this?

1977
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Speaker 3: Now?

1978
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Speaker 1: Many might suggest the Iranian people are the Iranian regime

1979
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Speaker 1: is responsible for the closure of the Strait of Horrmuves,

1980
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Speaker 1: And I think you can justify saying that on some level.

1981
01:46:55,840 --> 01:46:59,640
Speaker 1: But they are being attacked. They perceive themselves to being

1982
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Speaker 1: a war or what do you do? You go after

1983
01:47:01,560 --> 01:47:03,760
Speaker 1: your enemy, You hit them where it hurts. Going back

1984
01:47:03,800 --> 01:47:06,360
Speaker 1: to carg Island, how do you hit your enemy where

1985
01:47:06,360 --> 01:47:07,920
Speaker 1: it hurts? How do you get the rest of the

1986
01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:11,320
Speaker 1: world on your side as sucky as your side happens

1987
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Speaker 1: to be. I'm talking about the Iranians, of course, not

1988
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Speaker 1: exactly loved by the world. They do kill a lot

1989
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Speaker 1: of people. They are indiscriminate in their violence. They well

1990
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Speaker 1: treat women like chattel. Well, yeah, make the rest of

1991
01:47:23,320 --> 01:47:26,960
Speaker 1: the world hurt. And then you blame the Americans for

1992
01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:30,360
Speaker 1: the hurt that's been unleashed on the world. And then

1993
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Speaker 1: you get countries like Spain saying, you know what, We're

1994
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Speaker 1: not gonna let you use our airspace anymore. That's a

1995
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Speaker 1: domino following. Can you imagine the longer term reality if

1996
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Speaker 1: that kind of attitude towards the United States were to continue.

1997
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Speaker 1: And I realize they're all hooked up in the Biblical

1998
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Speaker 1: court of the United States economy. But if you end

1999
01:47:47,120 --> 01:47:51,720
Speaker 1: up alienating a large chunk of the world, I think

2000
01:47:51,760 --> 01:47:55,759
Speaker 1: you run a longer term risk economically. They might impose

2001
01:47:55,840 --> 01:47:58,280
Speaker 1: sanctions on us, they might choose not to trade with us,

2002
01:47:58,360 --> 01:48:01,320
Speaker 1: they might choose a different current. See, you know, just

2003
01:48:01,439 --> 01:48:03,920
Speaker 1: broader problems that swirl through the worries that go through

2004
01:48:03,960 --> 01:48:07,240
Speaker 1: my mind. Eight twenty six at fifty five KRCD Talk Station,

2005
01:48:07,400 --> 01:48:09,000
Speaker 1: we'll see what Daniel Davis has to say about it.

2006
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Speaker 1: The retired lieutenant colonel analyzing what's going on in Iran.

2007
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Speaker 1: Coming up next to Hope you can stick around talk station,

2008
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Speaker 1: a thirty fifty five krc DE talk station. Try to

2009
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Speaker 1: have a happy Tuesday. Always extra special on a Tuesday

2010
01:48:22,760 --> 01:48:25,559
Speaker 1: when we get to talk with Daniel Davis, retired Lieutenant

2011
01:48:25,560 --> 01:48:27,839
Speaker 1: Colonel Daniel Davis with the podcast you can find anywhere

2012
01:48:27,840 --> 01:48:30,479
Speaker 1: you get your podcast, and every Tuesday here in the

2013
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Speaker 1: fifty five krc Morning Show, Daniel Davis Deep Dive, Welcome back.

2014
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Speaker 1: It's a great to have you on the program as always,

2015
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Speaker 1: Daniel Davis, and good to see you. At least I'm

2016
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Speaker 1: capable of seeing you through our little conference window here. Well,

2017
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Speaker 1: it's a lot of to be seen, so thank you

2018
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Speaker 1: very much. Well, and you're even talking about this since

2019
01:48:48,640 --> 01:48:51,080
Speaker 1: the outcome, since the outset of this war with Iran,

2020
01:48:52,200 --> 01:48:54,160
Speaker 1: they've got a hell of a lot more rockets and

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Speaker 1: missiles then I maybe we didn't that we didn't didn't anticipate.

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Speaker 1: Every single day, you think, all right, there's no way

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Speaker 1: they've got any more, and yet they continue to launch

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Speaker 1: these missiles and now apparently they've revealed they've got some

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Speaker 1: that go a lot further than there we originally thought.

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Speaker 1: So Europe's a little concerned that they could be targeted

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Speaker 1: by the Iranians. I don't know whether you feel that's

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Speaker 1: going to happen or anything, but and there's this idea

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Speaker 1: that was going to be a short term operation, days,

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Speaker 1: not weeks. We're now into a month. Did Trump administration

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Speaker 1: think that it was going to be like Venezuela, go in,

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Speaker 1: get the figurehead out, and get a compliant regime to

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Speaker 1: play ball with you. That obviously didn't work out that way,

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Speaker 1: But do you think that was anticipated?

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Speaker 7: Unfortunately, I've recently talked to a certain individual that had

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Speaker 7: very high level access to the administration, and he says

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Speaker 7: that there was a significant number of people inside the

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Speaker 7: administration that did think that what happened to Venezuela could

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Speaker 7: be transferred over to Iran. There were plenty of people

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Speaker 7: that counseled again to that on the inside and said, no,

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Speaker 7: that's not going to happen. Those things are, you know,

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Speaker 7: as far apart and different as you can even imagine.

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Speaker 7: But it appears that those that thought it could be

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Speaker 7: were able to sway the president and said, look, there'

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Speaker 7: as week as they have been, remember all and the

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Speaker 7: read up to this, there's week as they've been in

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Speaker 7: all forty seven years of their existence. All we got

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Speaker 7: to do is hit a really hard lock with Venezuela,

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Speaker 7: take out the leader, and then.

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Speaker 1: We can make a deal with those that are left.

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Speaker 2: That's that's what they thought they could do.

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Speaker 7: And I think as we were talking before this thing

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Speaker 7: kicked off, I said, there's very little chance, almost like

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Speaker 7: a wing and a prayer at best, and the likelihood

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Speaker 7: is what is playing out now, just because that's not

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Speaker 7: the system of the Iranian government, and they have all

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Speaker 7: kinds of capacity, because they have foreseen this outcome for decades,

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Speaker 7: and they have prepared themselves to be able to withstand

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Speaker 7: all of this incredible bombardment that were dropping on top

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Speaker 7: of them, and the diplomatic oscillation and all that they

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01:50:54,120 --> 01:50:57,639
Speaker 7: were prepared for it logistically, psychologically, in every other way,

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Speaker 7: and now it's playing out exactly as they had planned.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm looking at this sort of the from my

2064
01:51:04,000 --> 01:51:06,439
Speaker 1: perception at least, and I'm certainly willing to admit that

2065
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Speaker 1: I'd be wrong on this, but my perception of it.

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Speaker 1: You look at Venezuela, you know, Maduro and pretty unpopular guy. Obviously,

2067
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Speaker 1: I think he was elected under spurious, suspicious circumstances. But

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Speaker 1: it's politics. It's not religion when it comes to Maduro.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that many people really factor in how

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Speaker 1: powerful a religious affiliation is. When you're fighting off a foe.

2071
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Speaker 1: You're not going to walk away from your fundamentalist religion.

2072
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Speaker 1: It's ingrained in you. I mean, I always ask my

2073
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Speaker 1: Christian friends, are you going to walk away from your

2074
01:51:34,920 --> 01:51:37,200
Speaker 1: faith at the point of a gun? Do you think

2075
01:51:37,280 --> 01:51:39,920
Speaker 1: some politician can convince you or talk you out of

2076
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Speaker 1: your faith? So faith coupled with you know, territorial you know,

2077
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Speaker 1: affiliation with region, that those are two very powerful things.

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Speaker 1: And you've got one element there that certainly it transcends

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Speaker 1: politics and oil or commodities, doesn't it, Daniel.

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Speaker 7: Man, That couldn't have been a better analogy, because that's

2081
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Speaker 7: exactly what's playing out here. And you can see it

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Speaker 7: throughout the world region, not even just in within Iran,

2083
01:52:02,600 --> 01:52:05,400
Speaker 7: because you have a combination of nationalism rally around the

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Speaker 7: flag and the religious aspect of Shia Islam uh.

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Speaker 1: And then you see that.

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01:52:09,760 --> 01:52:12,880
Speaker 7: There's rising support this year is on that were just

2087
01:52:13,040 --> 01:52:16,320
Speaker 7: incensed when this the Iatolia was assassinated.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 7: And so now you see Katiba Hezbola in Iraq rising up,

2090
01:52:19,680 --> 01:52:22,560
Speaker 7: you see Hisbola in Lebanon rising up, the houthis in

2091
01:52:22,640 --> 01:52:25,920
Speaker 7: the Red Sea now from from Yemen. They're rising up

2092
01:52:26,000 --> 01:52:30,160
Speaker 7: in support of the the regime, the regime that's left

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Speaker 7: in Iran. And of course that there was a system

2094
01:52:33,600 --> 01:52:36,560
Speaker 7: in place. It was a hierarchical system, uh. You know,

2095
01:52:36,760 --> 01:52:39,240
Speaker 7: it was a normal functioning government. It wasn't just a

2096
01:52:39,360 --> 01:52:42,960
Speaker 7: one man it wasn't a u cult of personality, et cetera.

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Speaker 7: And so now then we see it playing out as

2098
01:52:45,479 --> 01:52:49,679
Speaker 7: it was easily predictable, and so those who thought something

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Speaker 7: different were just hopeful that's it, well, maybe it'll work out.

2100
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Speaker 7: This It wasn't based on evidence or research or understanding

2101
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Speaker 7: of the culture.

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Speaker 2: And the people it was based on.

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Speaker 7: Well, I hope it'll work out like this one, And

2104
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Speaker 7: unfortunately they appear to have carried the day with President Trump.

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Speaker 1: Well, and you know, the protesters in the street, you know,

2106
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Speaker 1: is quite revealing. You think, oh my god, all these

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Speaker 1: Iranians are willing to take to the street to protest

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Speaker 1: the Supreme leader. They're putting their lives in jeopardy to

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Speaker 1: do that. But yeah, a question is percentage of population

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Speaker 1: willing to do that. Obviously much more dangerous to do

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Speaker 1: it there than say, protests against Donald Trump here in

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Speaker 1: the No King's rally. But if there was media from

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Speaker 1: elsewhere looking at the protests going on in the streets,

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Speaker 1: they might draw a conclusion that, oh my god, the

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Speaker 1: United States is getting ready to be overthrown. Look at

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Speaker 1: how many hundreds of thousands of people are in the

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Speaker 1: streets in the United States. It's only a small percentage

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Speaker 1: of the population. You can get fifteen people to show

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Speaker 1: up literally anywhere, Daniel Davis. So there's that. But then

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Speaker 1: pivoting over to what I think is a terrible idea,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not the only one blowing up the desalination

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Speaker 1: plants and the electric grid. Not only might that be

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Speaker 1: a war crime, and I'll let others in familiar with

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Speaker 1: international law know about that, but the civilian population they

2125
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Speaker 1: need that, and they're going to start to death, and

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Speaker 1: they're not going to be really happy with the United

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Speaker 1: States if we blow up a lifeline to them, which

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Speaker 1: is their ability to have the lights on and get

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Speaker 1: fresh water. Yeah, listen, I.

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Speaker 7: Think that that analogy with the No Kings rally is

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Speaker 7: hugely important because you had whatever was seven eight million

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Speaker 7: across the country. A few of them were really big,

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Speaker 7: and people could get the impression that, look that they're

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Speaker 7: all against President Trump. All we need to go in

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Speaker 7: there is just help them out and they'll be able

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Speaker 7: to overthrow them. The minute that anyone from outside our

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Speaker 7: country comes in and drops a bomb or or does

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Speaker 7: anything in our country allegedly in support of the people

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Speaker 7: who were in the No Real they would be in

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Speaker 7: sense and they would immediately turn against that force, because

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Speaker 7: that's not how our country works, it's not how human

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Speaker 7: beings work. We can have our complaints inside, and that's

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Speaker 7: exactly what happened. And I've talked to some of them,

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Speaker 7: so I know for a fact, people who were in

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Speaker 7: those protests that were against their government, but they said,

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Speaker 7: that's for us to figure out. The last thing we're

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Speaker 7: going to do is rise up against it while you

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Speaker 7: kill them and blow up all of our country. That's

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Speaker 7: just not how it works. We rally around the flag,

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Speaker 7: and we will and once this is over, we'll get

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Speaker 7: back again to how we're going to handle our own governance.

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Speaker 7: But to think that you're going to cause them to

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Speaker 7: rise up because of bombs was always going to be

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Speaker 7: a bad idea.

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Speaker 1: Well, and perhaps it's worth at least saying it out loud,

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Speaker 1: because I want to get your reaction. The Iranian people,

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Speaker 1: let's say, not not happy with the with the regime,

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Speaker 1: and they might enjoy regime change, of course that they

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Speaker 1: bring in about themselves better than the merit relying on

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Speaker 1: the Americans. But the other problem I would argue in

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Speaker 1: this equation is perhaps the Iranian people are not happy

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Speaker 1: with the supreme leader in the way their country is run.

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Speaker 1: I don't think most of them are really happy with

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Speaker 1: the idea of even Israel, and since Israel's on the

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Speaker 1: other side of the shooting war, they perceive Israel to

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Speaker 1: be part of the problem. But that's the way they've

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Speaker 1: had their viewpoint for a long time anyway. I mean,

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Speaker 1: their their hatred toward Israel basically precedes this conflict.

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Speaker 3: Well it does.

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Speaker 7: I mean, there's no question about that. And unfortunately, you know,

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Speaker 7: there's understandable reasons why that would be. Because Israel has

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Speaker 7: been you know, assassinating leaders in Iran, They've been blowing

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Speaker 7: up their embassies, they've physically been attacking them for for decades.

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Speaker 7: So I mean, this, this is mutual enmity. And you know,

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Speaker 7: then then the the Iranians will use proxies to try

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Speaker 7: to strike back against Israel, et cetera. So this is

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Speaker 7: just an ongoing, simmering thing. But yeah, that's even more

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Speaker 7: reasonable why so many in Iran would stand up and say,

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Speaker 7: we're not going to just capitulate to this no matter what,

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Speaker 7: because this is now an existential threat. And you talked

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Speaker 7: about President Trump's true social yesterday about taking out water,

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Speaker 7: desalination and electricity everything that is, of course, is just

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Speaker 7: going to harden their result. It's not gonna make them

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Speaker 7: want to give up. And it would is it is

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Speaker 7: black and white. It's a war crime if he does it.

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Speaker 7: I suspect he's probably just used it rhetorically. I doubt

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Speaker 7: he would actually do that, because then Iran would definitely

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Speaker 7: strike back against our allies in the region hit the

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Speaker 7: same kind of targets, and President Trump doesn't want that either,

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Speaker 7: So I suspect.

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Speaker 1: That's just rhetorical.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 7: But uh, all of this together is just hardening the

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Speaker 7: resolve of the rate in side. And now then we

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Speaker 7: have an issue where the process of oil is so

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Speaker 7: high you can't get feedstocks out for all kinds of

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Speaker 7: things like helium, agricultural stuff. I mean, he's causing problems

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Speaker 7: all over the world, and we have got to get

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Speaker 7: this thing solved pretty.

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Speaker 1: Quick well, and to that and solved, to reopen the

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Speaker 1: Straight of Horror Moves seems to be the one thing

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Speaker 1: that would, you know, end this back up of supplies.

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Speaker 1: They're all sitting there floating around the boats. The rest

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01:57:28,680 --> 01:57:30,960
Speaker 1: of the world is waiting for that stuff. So opening

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Speaker 1: the Straight of Horror moves, if that was the military objective,

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Speaker 1: we could just pull the plug on the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: If the Straight of Horror Moos got reopened, that may

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Speaker 1: be okay, But right now that doesn't look like it's

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Speaker 1: gonna happen. It will remain in the control of the Iranians,

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Speaker 1: and the current scenarios, can we pull out before quote

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Speaker 1: unquote securing the strait of horror moves and even call

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Speaker 1: this something of a victory.

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Speaker 7: Well, listen, according to the Wall Street Journal last night,

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Speaker 7: the administration is now considering, you know what, we'll We're

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Speaker 7: just gonna walk away and say we've damaged the navy,

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Speaker 7: We've damaged their missiles, and we'll come back and do

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Speaker 7: it again if we need to, and try to diplomatically

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Speaker 7: get it Ron to open up. And if that fails,

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Speaker 7: according to the article interviewing people in the administration, then

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Speaker 7: we'll say, all right, Europe, you guys got to figure

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Speaker 7: this out. You know, the Asia of you guys who

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Speaker 7: need the stuff, y'all figure it out diplomatically. But we're

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Speaker 7: not going to. And I don't know that that's a

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Speaker 7: good plan. And then this morning, just before about an

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Speaker 7: hour ago, I guess President Trump seemed to indicate that

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Speaker 7: by saying, hey, France, Hey, you know, UK, you guys

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Speaker 7: didn't help when we had to, so we may just

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Speaker 7: walk away and you can take care of it. So

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Speaker 7: that seems to maybe actually be the plan here. But listen,

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Speaker 7: to the bottom line is Iran is not. We don't

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Speaker 7: have the military capacity to force them to open it

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Speaker 7: up because there's too many ways they can have it

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Speaker 7: shut down. So whatever is negotiated, it's gonna leave Iran

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Speaker 7: in charge of it, and they have incentive to open

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Speaker 7: it up, and I think under the right conditions they

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Speaker 7: will and that will help the rest of the world.

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Speaker 7: But man, it's gonna be a strategic loss for us,

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Speaker 7: and you can't doctor that one up.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I acknowledge that hitting the carg Island

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Speaker 1: facility might do the most economic damage to Iran, but

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Speaker 1: is that even a viable option considering how many world

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Speaker 1: countries and everybody else relies on that facility to get

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Speaker 1: fossil fuels.

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Speaker 7: Well, and yeah, I mean it's a double wayman. There's

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Speaker 7: a reason why we took sanctions off Iran, and not

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Speaker 7: only Iran but also on Russia because we need the

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01:59:25,000 --> 01:59:27,040
Speaker 7: flow of what We need the flow of oil up

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Speaker 7: to keep the price down below and you see it's

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Speaker 7: already turning over one hundred dollars I think one twelve

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Speaker 7: point fifteen on brand this morning, and we've got to

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01:59:34,960 --> 01:59:37,560
Speaker 7: get that down. You strack Carg island now that you

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01:59:37,720 --> 01:59:40,200
Speaker 7: diminished the amount of well that can get out of

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01:59:40,400 --> 01:59:43,400
Speaker 7: so it would undercut the sanctions. And then there's no

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01:59:43,680 --> 01:59:48,080
Speaker 7: question that Iran would then strike the GCC country's capabilities

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Speaker 7: and draw it even further down.

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Speaker 2: So I don't think that.

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Speaker 7: I think that's a non starter because it would harm.

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01:59:53,040 --> 01:59:56,000
Speaker 1: Us in the process. Yeah, that's kind of the direction

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Speaker 1: I thought you would go, because that's where I was leaning.

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Speaker 1: And then finally, Daniel David Story park Cup, I know

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Speaker 1: we're a little long today, but I got to ask you, literally,

2262
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Speaker 1: thousands of tankers and container ships floating around waiting to

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02:00:07,600 --> 02:00:09,360
Speaker 1: get through the straight of horror moves, right, I mean

2264
02:00:09,520 --> 02:00:11,920
Speaker 1: they have global tracking on that they're just sitting there

2265
02:00:11,960 --> 02:00:16,280
Speaker 1: waiting correct rut that is correct? Are those not easy

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Speaker 1: targets themselves?

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Speaker 7: Of course, definitely, And that's why early in this process

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Speaker 7: Iran demonstrated how easy they were by just hitting I

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Speaker 7: think it was like seven or eight of them something

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02:00:26,960 --> 02:00:29,560
Speaker 7: like that, to just show that at any point, I

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02:00:29,640 --> 02:00:31,720
Speaker 7: can just torch any of these things and they're done.

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Speaker 1: So if you want to work with us, come through.

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Speaker 1: And there's been some.

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Speaker 7: Numbers, not a big number, but it's a number it's

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Speaker 7: able to get through, so they're saying, hey, you could

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02:00:41,280 --> 02:00:42,920
Speaker 7: work with me, you can work against me, but it

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02:00:42,960 --> 02:00:43,920
Speaker 7: won't work out well for you.

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Speaker 1: Suspiciously absent from the reporting, I acknowledge that idea that

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Speaker 1: they are easily blown up out of the water, which

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Speaker 1: could be a real problem. Daniel Davis always enjoyed the conversations,

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02:00:53,400 --> 02:00:55,080
Speaker 1: even though we don't always end up with great news.

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02:00:55,560 --> 02:00:58,080
Speaker 1: It's reality and I appreciate the cold water dose of

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Speaker 1: it that you provide every week here in the morning shows.

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Speaker 1: Until next week, have a great one.