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Speaker 2: All right, here we go, Get afternoon and Pippy Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 2: I'm oegar. This is the RNL Carriers pregame sports talk show.

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Speaker 2: Toyota Dealers. Hope you're having a great Turkey day. The

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Speaker 2: Bengals playing on Thanksgiving for the first time since twenty ten.

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Speaker 2: Bengals and Ravens in Baltimore tonight, the return of Joe

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Speaker 2: Burrow kickoff at eight twenty. Dan Hord and Dave Lapham

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Speaker 2: have the game. Wayne box Miller has countdown to kickoff

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Speaker 2: at seven o'clock. I am with you until then. Joe

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Speaker 2: is back, maybe not so much miraculously, but certainly to

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Speaker 2: a large degree unexpectedly. He is back from that turf

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Speaker 2: toe injury, making his first start since the second game

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Speaker 2: of the season, which feels like forever ago September the fourteenth,

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Speaker 2: Week two against the Jacksonville Jaguars, and he comes back

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Speaker 2: to play against a Baltimore team that he torched last year. Now,

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Speaker 2: I know what the reaction is gonna be. Mo. They

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Speaker 2: lost both games to the Ravens last year, and they

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Speaker 2: did throw much fault of Joe Burrow, although I will

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Speaker 2: acknowledge in the first game against the Ravens last year

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Speaker 2: he did throw a really tough pick in the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 2: But beyond that, thirty of thirty nine Week five here

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Speaker 2: in Cincinnati three ninety two five touchdowns, and then Week ten,

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Speaker 2: a game they lose by a point thirty four of

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Speaker 2: fifty six four to twenty eight four touchdowns. Let's go

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Speaker 2: and get this part out of the way. The Bengals

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Speaker 2: cannot have Joe Burrow dropping back fifty six times tonight.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully that's not the case. Joe Burrow is the story

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Speaker 2: of this game. Ravens fans might not like to hear that,

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Speaker 2: but he is. That doesn't mean there aren't other interesting things,

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Speaker 2: like Jamar Chase coming back his first game since the suspension.

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Speaker 2: Jamar talked this week about the spinning incident in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: You talk about somebody who was money against the Ravens

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Speaker 2: last year. Jamar Chase in the two games against Baltimore

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Speaker 2: four fifty seven and five touchdown. So Jamar is back.

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Speaker 2: Jamar and Joe playing without t Higgins. He's in the

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Speaker 2: NFL's concussion protocol. They're not gonna have him. But there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of other interesting stuff when it comes to

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Speaker 2: tonight's game. What else is interesting? I'll start with this,

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Speaker 2: all eyes on Joe Burrow, All eyes on Joe Burrow's

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Speaker 2: toe and how he handles any pain that he might

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Speaker 2: be in. How do the Bengals go about protecting him

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Speaker 2: amid all the losing. I think what has happened over

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Speaker 2: the last couple of months is the Bengals have developed

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Speaker 2: an okay offensive line. It's probably somewhere in the middle

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Speaker 2: of the pack in the NFL's probably right now playing

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Speaker 2: better than any Joe Burrow era Bengals offensive line. It's

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Speaker 2: that continue. Can the offensive lines progress over the last

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Speaker 2: worth paying attention to. Can the Bengals run the ball

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Speaker 2: more effectively? This is something we're gonna talk about a lot.

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Speaker 2: Early in the season, the Bengals could not run the football.

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Speaker 2: And if the answer is yes, Joe Burrow ain't gonna

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Speaker 2: what it did last week? I will stop way short

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Speaker 2: of saying that the Bengals defense played well, though they

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Speaker 2: Though they were good on the goal line last week

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Speaker 2: So does that continue? Were there things to build upon

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Speaker 2: So I'm sure you've heard about this by now, but

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Speaker 2: That's not going to be an excuse tonight. But that's

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Speaker 2: not to say that it might not be a factor.

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Speaker 2: We will see. We have a lot of ground to

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Speaker 2: takes over with countdown to kickoff. Bengals and Ravens. This

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Speaker 2: it's on Thanksgiving Night that I think if you're an

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Speaker 2: schedule came out. They played two classics last year. Kelsey

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Speaker 2: We continue with RNL Carriers Pregame Sports Talk presented by

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Speaker 2: your Cincinnati and Northern Kentucky Toyota Dealers on Moweger. We

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Speaker 2: are getting set for Bengals and Ravens tonight in Baltimore,

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Speaker 2: the first of back to back road games for Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: Bengals will be in Buffalo a week from Sunday. Kelsey

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Speaker 2: Conways and Baltimore covering the Bengals for The Inquirer and

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati dot Com does an awesome job and kind enough

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Speaker 2: to join us. Let's start with this. Joe Burrow is back.

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Speaker 2: If I would have said to you two months ago,

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Speaker 2: on Thanksgiving Night, what would you have said.

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Speaker 3: No chance?

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Speaker 4: But you know, after listening to him talk, I went,

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Speaker 4: why did I ever think he wouldn't be able to

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Speaker 4: come back? I think because I had on the reds

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Speaker 4: I specifically asked the doctor and I said, is there

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Speaker 3: Painful for him.

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Speaker 4: So I think my mind just shut down, and he

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Speaker 4: never forget walking into pay Course Stadium the Monday after

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Speaker 4: the bye week and the Joe Burrow announcement press press

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Speaker 2: This game means something. The Bengals have a minuscule chance

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Speaker 2: done the different scenarios in your opinion, which are never

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Speaker 2: afraid to share. If the Bengals get to a point

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Speaker 3: Should and will he is two different questions. Should he?

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Speaker 4: I think he's getting paid to play, and I think

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Speaker 4: it sets a bad precedent about the organization if faced him.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a tricky situation. And I saw your

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Speaker 4: But my only issue with him playing is if he

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Speaker 4: And if he's ninety percent, that's not good enough. In

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Speaker 4: my opinion, he has to be one hundred percent. So

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Speaker 4: maybe like risking further damage, he's got to sit.

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Speaker 5: But I do.

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Speaker 4: Agree, you know, he gets paid to play there, and

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Speaker 4: you know once you kind of say he doesn't have

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Speaker 4: to play. I already think the Bengals are in need

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Speaker 4: I just think it would it would set them up

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Speaker 4: as you know, the main leader. But I totally see

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Speaker 4: But like you said, they technically still do have a chance,

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Speaker 4: I still think he will play, But if it starts

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Speaker 3: The plug on it.

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Speaker 2: So you reference my tweet after the game I put

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Speaker 2: that's I'll acknowledge this. Number One, I think the Bengals

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Speaker 2: exercise some prudence by not having him play last week.

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Speaker 2: That's that's an encouraging thing. That's the thing that you

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Speaker 2: a winnable game. The Bengals do have at least an

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Speaker 2: they're eliminated and Joe Burrow is out there running around,

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Speaker 2: or if it's the last game of the season and

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Speaker 4: And I feel the exact thing may you do? And

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Speaker 4: you brought up something that I think is progress, Zach

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Speaker 4: Taylor not playing him against the Patriots. It's progress from

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Speaker 3: That should have been a decision.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you guys talk about it all the time

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Speaker 4: on the Growlar podcast. Needs to be an adult in

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Speaker 4: we can't afford to put you in harm's way with

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Speaker 3: So I thought that was progress.

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Speaker 4: But I totally agree with you, like yesterday when he

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Speaker 2: and there's merit to a lot of that. But it's

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Speaker 2: great to have a guy who, for my money, he's

435
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Speaker 2: not the most accomplished, not the most well known. He's

436
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Speaker 2: obviously not in the best this year. He's not the

437
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Speaker 2: healthiest on a consistent basis. I think he is the

438
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Speaker 2: best in the NFL at handling the mechanics of playing quarterback.

439
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Speaker 2: Hopefully we see that play out tonight. But beyond Joe Burrow,

440
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put a spotlight on two guys who were

441
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Speaker 2: taken in the same draft who play the same position,

442
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:43,679
Speaker 2: Chris Jenkins and McKinley Jackson, both defensive tackles. The Bengals

443
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:48,680
Speaker 2: are gonna have to slow down Derrick Henry tonight. Derrick

444
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Speaker 2: Henry is going to be in the Hall of Fame.

445
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson hasn't been a huge threat with his legs.

446
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,440
Speaker 2: Chris Jenkins was drafted by this team to be a

447
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 2: run stopper at A Michigan and was not known for

448
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 2: his pass rushing capabilities, although he had three pressures last

449
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Speaker 2: week against the Patriots. Chris Jenkins I think showed some

450
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Speaker 2: flashes against New England last week. McKinley Jackson has not

451
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Speaker 2: shown many flashes at all this year because he's barely played,

452
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Speaker 2: but he played against the Patriots. Didn't play a ton,

453
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Speaker 2: but when he played, he played well. Just nineteen snaps.

454
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Speaker 2: He had a Pro Football Focus grade above eighty one.

455
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Speaker 2: He was the third highest graded defensive player against the run.

456
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Speaker 2: I read that Pro Football Focus. I read that and

457
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Speaker 2: since he jungled dot Com. So the Bengals got to

458
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 2: be really good tonight against Derrick Henry. It starts up front.

459
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Speaker 2: We could also talk about the linebackers. We could talk

460
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Speaker 2: about second level tackling, which has been atrocious for this

461
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Speaker 2: team this year. But it's really going to have to

462
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Speaker 2: start at the point of attack. And so I put

463
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Speaker 2: the spotlight on Chris and McKinley and not just tonight.

464
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Speaker 2: This team's draft classes need to start panning out. Duke

465
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Speaker 2: Tobin has taken a lot of criticism for a lot

466
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Speaker 2: of different things. For me, at the top of that

467
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Speaker 2: list is he hasn't drafted well, especially on defense. If

468
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 2: this is ever gonna change, and when I say this,

469
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Speaker 2: this franchise, if they're going to while Joe Burrow is

470
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Speaker 2: still here, have this sort of team that can legitimately

471
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Speaker 2: contend for a championship, They're gonna have to build their

472
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Speaker 2: defense and build a good one through the draft, which

473
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Speaker 2: Duke Tobin hasn't been able to do. It would be

474
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Speaker 2: great if by the end of the season you could say,

475
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Speaker 2: at the very least they do have a couple of

476
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Speaker 2: guys who are worth moving forward with on the defensive line,

477
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Speaker 2: Chris Jenkins and McKinley Jackson. Those players spotlighted tonight thanks

478
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Speaker 2: to Furniture Fair. Get the guaranteed low price or it's

479
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Speaker 2: free at Furniture Fair. We're gonna go to Baltimore coming

480
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Speaker 2: up in just about ten minutes and learn more about

481
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Speaker 2: this Ravens team that started one in five. They've won

482
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 2: five straight games. There's been a dramatic turnaround for them. Defensively,

483
00:24:56,280 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 2: Offensively they've been okay. More on that coming up here

484
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 2: in just a bit. So Joe makes his return tonight

485
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,239
Speaker 2: and we have lots of questions. Are the Bengals going

486
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 2: to run the ball better? Can they protect him? Is

487
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Speaker 2: Joe going to adjust how he plays all of that?

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Speaker 2: What I'm wondering at the outset of the game is

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Speaker 2: is there gonna be rust? He hasn't played in a

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Speaker 2: football game since September the fourteenth. He's kept himself in

491
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Speaker 2: good shape, He's obviously been practicing, went through a couple

492
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Speaker 2: of practices leading up to the New England game. But

493
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Speaker 2: is there gonna be rusted? And in Joe Burrow's Bengals career,

494
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 2: we have seen moments where there has been rust. We

495
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 2: always talk about the Bengals issues getting off to fast starts,

496
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Speaker 2: which one of the ironic things about this season has

497
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,640
Speaker 2: been the Bengals won their first two games. They did that. Now,

498
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 2: in that second game, Joe got hurt. But in the

499
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Speaker 2: first game of the season against Cleveland, Joe played unevenly,

500
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Speaker 2: maybe not poorly, but unevenly. Didn't play great in the

501
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Speaker 2: season opener last year, didn't play great in the season

502
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 2: opener two years ago, had five turnovers in the season

503
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Speaker 2: opener of the year before that. Now you might go, well,

504
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 2: wait a minute, mo, He's been coming off of injury.

505
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 2: He's been coming off wrisk surgery, a knee problem, an appendectomy. Yes,

506
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 2: but he wasn't this year. There is a little bit

507
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 2: of a track record, and it's worth paying attention to.

508
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 2: There's a little bit of a track record. When Joe

509
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 2: has not played in an NFL game, a real NFL

510
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 2: game in a while. There seems to be a little rust.

511
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Speaker 2: Is there any tonight? And if there is, how long

512
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Speaker 2: does it take for him to kind of chip off

513
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Speaker 2: the rust By the time he does, What does the

514
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Speaker 2: game look like? Are the Bengals losing in by how much?

515
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Speaker 2: And if he can't chip off the rust, is he

516
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Speaker 2: out there with a never ending leash. One of the

517
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Speaker 2: questions that we're not really gonna I'm guessing you know,

518
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Speaker 2: the answer to is how compromised is Joe Flacco? Right?

519
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 2: And part of what drove the Joe Burrow conversation last

520
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Speaker 2: week was the fact that Joe Flacco has been dealing

521
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 2: with a spring dac joint also banged up his finger

522
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 2: last week. But the Bengals have to win tonight's game.

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Speaker 2: I wonder, I wonder how long the leash is if

524
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 2: Joe just tonight doesn't have it, and in particular, if

525
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 2: he doesn't have it and he is physically compromised, it's

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Speaker 2: gonna be worth paying attention to. The conversation about Joe

527
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 2: has surrounded the issue of whether or not it makes

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Speaker 2: sense for him to be playing now. I'll tell you this.

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Speaker 2: If you don't follow me on Twitter, first of all,

530
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 2: you should at Moegger. Secondly, walking out of the stadium

531
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Speaker 2: last week after the Bengals lost to the Patriots, I

532
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 2: put on social media that I would tell Joe Burrow,

533
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 2: I'll see you at voluntary workouts, like dude, I'll see

534
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 2: you in April, and I said I'd hand him the

535
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 2: keys to like the best rental I could find in

536
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 2: the Caribbean and just tell him, like, dude, just go away.

537
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 2: Maybe a slight exaggerate. I have no issue, and I

538
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 2: think if you're a Bengals fan you should agree. You

539
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 2: should have no issue with Joe Burrow playing tonight.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 2: I might be watching through my fingers. I may want

542
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 2: to see them give him a quick hook. But first

543
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 2: and foremost, Zach Taylor is trying to win football games,

544
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 2: not doing a very good job. And if they do

545
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 2: win football games, you could argue it's probably a little

546
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 2: bit too late. But I do think it's funny that

547
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 2: a lot of the same people who have spent a

548
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Speaker 2: lot of time going overboard to tell anybody who will

549
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 2: listen that one of the things they hate about the

550
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 2: Bengals is the fact that they don't try to win,

551
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 2: they don't care about winning. Those same folks will get

552
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 2: mad at Zach Taylor for trying to win a football game.

553
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 2: Trying to win a football game where the Bengals at

554
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Speaker 2: least mathematically have a chance to get to the postseason.

555
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 2: I cannot fault him for that, and I certainly cannot

556
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 2: fault Joe Burrow for doing everything he can to come back,

557
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 2: and then insisting I'm a football player, I want to play.

558
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 2: I'm back, Get out of my way. This conversation changes

559
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 2: entirely if the Bengals are playing in games that mean

560
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 2: absolutely nothing in terms of the standings. I'm not saying

561
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 2: the Bengals should tank. I think that the tank topic

562
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 2: is one of the most overrated in sports because tanking

563
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 2: sounds great Monday through Saturday. Players and coaches care too

564
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 2: much to tank. This isn't about tanking. It's about protecting

565
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 2: your most prized asset. I don't know about you. I

566
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 2: will go overboard to protect the things, the assets, the

567
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 2: investments that are most important to me. I'll go overboard.

568
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 2: I will go overboard to protect my biggest investments. Joe

569
00:29:53,200 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 2: Burrow is the biggest investment in the history of Cincinnati sports. Otherwise,

570
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 2: so tonight, yll nobody loves it because we don't love

571
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Speaker 2: the fact that he got hurt. But I think all

572
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 2: of us get it. They're trying to win, and they're

573
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Speaker 2: trying to win, and if they do, you might have

574
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Speaker 2: to talk yourself into it. But they're only gonna be

575
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Speaker 2: two games out of first place behind Baltimore at least,

576
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Speaker 2: and you know, Pittsburgh may lose this week, and if

577
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Speaker 2: they do to Buffalo, there're six and six and then

578
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 2: it's you know, you might not be making reservations to

579
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 2: you know, get a babysitter for the Bengals playoff game,

580
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 2: but you're gonna be able to talk yourself into it

581
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Speaker 2: at least a little bit. So this game means something.

582
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Speaker 2: They're trying to win it. I respect that they should

583
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 2: be trying to win it. Joe Burrow represents a better

584
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 2: chance to win the football game than Joe Flacco or

585
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Speaker 2: Jake Browning or anybody else. But if we get to

586
00:30:54,560 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 2: Week seventeen, Arizona Cardinals are here and the bank, despite

587
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 2: their best efforts, have been eliminated and they're not making

588
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 2: the postseason, and there's like a I guess an X

589
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 2: or whatever they put next to your name in the

590
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 2: standings that says eliminated, no chance, not making the playoffs.

591
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 2: If if that's next to Cincinnati and the NFL standings,

592
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow should not be playing in games that do

593
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 2: not matter, whether it's the Miami game, whether it's Arizona,

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Speaker 2: whether it's Cleveland and Man as long as there's even

595
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Speaker 2: the tiniest mathematical possibility. Okay, fine, there is what they

596
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 2: did last year, which is win five straight games, and

597
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 2: they at least gave themselves a chance going into that

598
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 2: last NFL Sunday. Now, if you look at the quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: the Bengals played during that stretch and compare them to

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Speaker 2: the qbs the Bengals are facing just over the next

601
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 2: couple of weeks, it's not exactly apples to apples, but

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Speaker 2: you cannot. And so you know, this to me has

603
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 2: been the topic all week long. And I think I

604
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 2: think Joe playing, hearing him talk, I think that's allowed

605
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 2: him to win some holdovers to his side that says,

606
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Speaker 2: I'm a football player, I'm getting paid, I want to play.

607
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 2: And all right, fine, if we win this game, we've

608
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 2: at least got more of a chance than we do

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00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 2: right now to make the postseason. I'm in. I'm in.

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00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 2: And And by the way, I love watching Joe Burrow play.

611
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 2: So why wouldn't I be excited about watching him tonight,

612
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 2: especially against a team that he's had some success with

613
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 2: or against recently. But the moment, the moment they're done,

614
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 2: the moment they're cooked. Send Joe Burrow to that Caribbean

615
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 2: Rental that I tweeted about after the game last week.

616
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 2: It's the Bengals and Ravens tonight. You talk about a

617
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 2: team that has engineered to turn around. The Ravens were

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Speaker 2: one in five and kind of sort of maybe left

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Speaker 2: for dead. They have pulled themselves off to Matt They

620
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 2: are the over favorite to win the AFC North and

621
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Speaker 2: the main reason why has been their defense. Their defense

622
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 2: was Bengals esque the first five or six games of

623
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Speaker 2: the season. It has since been terrific. Six consecutive opponents

624
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Speaker 2: have failed to score more than twenty points against the

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Speaker 2: Baltimore Ravens. The question becomes, I guess two of them.

626
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Speaker 2: One can that continue? Number two? Can can Baltimore's offense

627
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Speaker 2: go back to looking the way it's supposed to when

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Speaker 2: you have a quarterback who's been an MVP before Lamar

629
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Speaker 2: Jackson has dealt with injury. Lamar Jackson, for what it's worth,

630
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Speaker 2: I don't think is one hundred percent. They've been less

631
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Speaker 2: than dominant, but they are winning and they are the

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Speaker 2: favorites to win the AFC North. We'll head to Baltimore

633
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Speaker 2: and talk about a team that has been better on

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Speaker 2: defense but uneven on offense when we come back. It's

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Speaker 2: the Bengals and Ravens coming up. Countdown to kickoff at

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Speaker 2: seven pm. Dan Hord and Dave Lapham have the game

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Speaker 2: coming up at eight twenty. Well head to Baltimore next.

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Speaker 2: This is the RNL Carriers pregame sports Talk presented by

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Speaker 2: Ravens coming up. Kickoff is at eight to twenty tonight.

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Speaker 2: Wayne box Miller has countdown to kickoff at seven pm.

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Speaker 2: The Baltimore Ravens at one point this season were one

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Speaker 2: in five. They open up the season as huge favorites

647
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Speaker 2: to win the AFC North. They lost the first game

648
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 2: of the season, they gave it away against the Buffalo Bills.

649
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Speaker 2: They end up starting one in five. Their defense was

650
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Speaker 2: playing like the worst in the NFL, or at least

651
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Speaker 2: the second worst in the NFL after the Bengals. But

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Speaker 2: what's been interesting is they've they've never, They've never been

653
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Speaker 2: a long shot. They've never not had really good odds

654
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Speaker 2: to win the AFC North. And for the most part

655
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Speaker 2: all season, despite the losses, they have been favored. They've

656
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Speaker 2: won five straight games. Offensively a little bit uneven, defensively

657
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Speaker 2: much better than they were and it feels like they're

658
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Speaker 2: in the driver's seat in the AFC North. Can the

659
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Speaker 2: Bengals do something about that? Let's go to Baltimore. Kirk

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Speaker 2: Mekewan Afternoon Guy ninety eight Rock in Baltimore. He is

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Speaker 2: also the Ravens pregame and postgame host. Let's start with

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow's return. When you have found out that Joe

663
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Speaker 2: was going to be coming back and playing against the Ravens,

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Speaker 2: what was your reaction?

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Speaker 6: Well, I don't know, and most thanks for having me.

666
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Speaker 6: Joe Burrow is not going to be He's gonna have some.

667
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Speaker 7: Rush on him. He's missed nine games and.

668
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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: We do a show called The Purple Power Hour with Semi.

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Speaker 6: I'm Bidejo and Dennis Pitta, both super Bowl champions, different

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Speaker 6: thirty five and forty seven different super Bowls, and Semi

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Speaker 6: said he had the same thing that Burrow had and

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Speaker 6: he missed.

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Speaker 7: A lot longer than nine weeks, So I'm just wondering.

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Speaker 6: Why bring him back? Why rush back Burrow? But if

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Speaker 6: that's what you want to do, and he hasn't fared

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Speaker 6: well against the Ravens in this history three and six.

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Speaker 6: But Joe Blackough, I mean, I'm not telling you guys

679
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Speaker 6: anything new. I mean, you could use a spark in

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Speaker 6: Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase coming back could be a spark.

681
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Speaker 6: And these games are always good between the Ravens.

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Speaker 7: And the Bengals.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no question about it. Early in the season, the

684
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Speaker 2: Ravens defense looked like the Bengals defense. It has been

685
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Speaker 2: terrific the last six games. They've held the opponent to

686
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Speaker 2: under twenty in each of them. What's been the big difference?

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Speaker 6: Two words, Kyle Hamilton, I mean, and I mean that's

688
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Speaker 6: contingent upon a couple of other things. A low heat

689
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Speaker 6: Gilman coming in and really holding down that back end

690
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Speaker 6: where Kyle Hamilton was relegated. Now Kyle can roam around

691
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 6: and he's he's just all over the place. He put

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Speaker 6: a spin move on Teller of the Browns the other

693
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Speaker 6: day and wound up on Shedor Sanders.

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Speaker 7: It was a thing of beauty.

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Speaker 6: You don't see a safety come up to the line,

696
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Speaker 6: line up in the a gap right there over center

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Speaker 6: and between the center and the guard and throw a

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Speaker 6: spin move that somebody that's six four to two twenty

699
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Speaker 6: can do. This isn't Rokwan Smith. It's Kyle Hamilton doing it.

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Speaker 6: So he's really His line against the Browns was crazy.

701
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Speaker 6: It was like nine tackles, three for a loss, a sack,

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Speaker 6: two passes defended.

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Speaker 7: He's having a.

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Speaker 6: Dto Y type year and it's been fun to watch.

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Speaker 6: And yeah, he's really calm things down and a low

706
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Speaker 6: hee Gilman coming in and also Draymond Jones, who is

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Speaker 6: He comes hard, hat in hand, he's ready to go

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Speaker 6: every play. He plays like a raven and he just

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Speaker 6: got here three games ago or whatever. So i'd say

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Speaker 6: those you know, those three things, and yeah, it was

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Speaker 6: hard to watch early and you guys are seeing it now.

712
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Speaker 6: But the Ravens were giving up an average of thirty

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Speaker 6: five points a game to the first five games and

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Speaker 6: they've kept it under nineteen or so. I think it's

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Speaker 6: been good lately and we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 7: The Bengals like to put up points.

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Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, no, question, and they did last year, albeit

718
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Speaker 2: in two losses because Lamar Jackson was super human in

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Speaker 2: both of those games. He has been good but not

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Speaker 2: great recently. How much that can be attributed to health?

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Speaker 7: Think a lot mo.

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Speaker 6: We were looking back and he hasn't been the same

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Speaker 6: since the Ed Oliver hit in Week one against the Bills.

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Speaker 6: Week two, he didn't run at all and the Ravens

725
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Speaker 6: won against the Browns. Nobody talked about it. Week three,

726
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 6: got sacked seven times against the Lines. He comes out

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Speaker 6: of the Chiefs game, and he missed a bunch of games,

728
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Speaker 6: and so it's not been the same. And Hardball even

729
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Speaker 6: alluded to it. He said something like, Lamar's gonna win

730
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Speaker 6: a lot of pretty games. He's winning ugly right now.

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Speaker 6: But he's our quarterback. Meaning Lamar's out there and he's

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Speaker 6: playing hurt and he's not.

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Speaker 7: Going to admit it. It's almost like hockey injury.

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Speaker 6: He's got a lower body or an upper body. Well,

735
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Speaker 6: he's having me. He had an ankle. He missed yesterday's

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Speaker 6: walkthrough with a toe. He's just not been right all

737
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Speaker 6: year long. And he's a couple of games with no

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Speaker 6: touchdown passes. I guess the game against the Browns is

739
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Speaker 6: one of his worst as a pro. No touchdowns, a

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Speaker 6: couple of interceptions, it was, but they won and it

741
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Speaker 6: was just not the Lamar were used to.

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Speaker 7: So we'll see. I think you get past the.

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Speaker 6: Bengals, hopefully with a W if you're a Ravens enthusiast,

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Speaker 6: and then you get the many by and and maybe

745
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Speaker 6: things come together because the offensive line has not done

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Speaker 6: him any favors.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and he's holding the ball a little long.

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Speaker 6: There's a lot going on, but still they're winning ugly

749
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Speaker 6: and at the end, you want to win games, and

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Speaker 6: that's what they're doing. Five in a row, going for

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Speaker 6: six against a tough Bengals opponent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, five consecutive dug out of a one in five

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Speaker 2: hole prohibitive favor to win the AFC North and understandably.

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Speaker 2: So you mentioned the offensive line. How problematic has it been.

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Speaker 6: Well, it's it's the guard, it's Andrew Boorhees and Daniel

756
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Speaker 6: Ale and every now and then things come together like

757
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Speaker 6: the fifty nine yard Derrek Henry touchdown run or it

758
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Speaker 6: wasn't a touchdown Krischmann, and then the hurricane Mark Andrews

759
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Speaker 6: touch bush where he spun around and and and got

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Speaker 6: the touchdown. But yeah, those two have been a liability

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Speaker 6: this year and it's they've been.

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Speaker 7: They were there last year. It's funny. HQ. Shipley on

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Speaker 7: ESDN going into the Browns game, I.

764
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Speaker 6: Think called the Ravens offensive line one of his top

765
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Speaker 6: five and that was a hit scratcher.

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Speaker 7: For me and a lot of people from Baltimore.

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Speaker 6: But Ronnie Stanley's been hurt a little bit.

768
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Speaker 7: He's been banged up.

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Speaker 6: Roger rosen Garten has had some lapses. Miles Gart, Miles Garrett,

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Speaker 6: I mean, what are you gonna do? That guy's gonna

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Speaker 6: own most offensive line dood het four sacks, He spun

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Speaker 6: Roger roseen Garten around, and then they met at Lamar

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Speaker 6: Jackson together. So it's been tough. There's opportunity there. But

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Speaker 6: you know, no Trey Anderson, that's a plus. No no

775
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Speaker 6: Higgins this week.

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Speaker 7: He's not on defense.

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Speaker 6: But hey, the Bengals have had a tough goal of it.

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Speaker 6: They're gonna come an ornary man. They're they're missing Thanksgiving

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Speaker 6: at home too, so it's gonna be It's gonna be

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Speaker 6: a classic AFC North battle. These teams know each other,

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Speaker 6: they respect each other, they don't like each other, and

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Speaker 6: the Bengals they deserve to get one of these games

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Speaker 6: at their place. It does seem like they are on

784
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Speaker 6: the road for a lot of these sort of milestone games.

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Speaker 2: Yes, in the aftermats of the schedule coming out, we

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Speaker 2: talked about that a ton. It should be It should

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Speaker 2: be great. Kirk, I can't thank you not for the time, man,

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Speaker 2: thanks so much.

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Speaker 7: No appreciate it, Enjoy the game.

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Speaker 2: That's Kirk McEwan. He is with ninety eight Rock in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: He is the Ravens pregame and postgame host. Kind enough

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Speaker 2: to join us before he goes on the air. Bengals

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Speaker 2: and Ravens are coming up since Cincinnati is trying to

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Speaker 2: jump back into the AFC North race. And I bet

795
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Speaker 2: Horden Dave Lapham have the game. I hope wherever you're going,

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Speaker 2: if you're going anywhere, if you've been traveling, if you're

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Speaker 2: traveling right now. If you're if you're traveling car playing,

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Speaker 2: whatever it is, I hope your travel is easier than

820
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Speaker 2: the Bengals travel was to Baltimore where they sat on

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Speaker 2: the tarmac for like five hours last night, and instead

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Speaker 2: of getting to Baltimore early in the evening, they arrived

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Speaker 2: I guess shortly before midnight. This is no excuse. I

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Speaker 2: even had a buddy of mine say they should they

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Speaker 2: should move the game to Friday. Number one. NBC ain't

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Speaker 2: letting that happen. Number two. Look, you gotta adjust. Mature

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Speaker 2: teams figure it out. Do the Bengals have some maturity.

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Speaker 2: Jamar Chase has often, to me come off as a

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Speaker 2: really mature guy. I'm a huge Jamar Chase fan and

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Speaker 2: that hasn't changed because of what happened in Pittsburgh. And look,

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Speaker 2: man like, this doesn't need to be said. I haven't

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Speaker 2: done a ton of topics on this because I think

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Speaker 2: we all feel the same way about Jamar. Good dude,

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Speaker 2: great player, did a very regrettable thing, and the punishment

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Speaker 2: that he got he deserved. And I you know, for me,

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Speaker 2: I say this all the time. I'm a body of

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Speaker 2: work guy. I judge people by their bodies of work,

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Speaker 2: not their isolated poor incidents. Now, if there's a bunch

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Speaker 2: of isolated poor incidents, then that becomes a large part

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Speaker 2: of the body of work. Jamar Chase's body of work

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Speaker 2: on and off the field as a teammate, as a guy,

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Speaker 2: obviously as a player, has been awesome. This does not

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Speaker 2: have to be something that comes to define him. I

844
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Speaker 2: do think it's kind of interesting that he didn't mention

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Speaker 2: Jalen Ramsey by name in his apology, in his apology

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Speaker 2: that he put on social media, or in his statements

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Speaker 2: to the media the other day. But you know, it's

848
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 2: not that much of a mystery. You don't like Jalen Ramsey.

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Speaker 2: Probably a lot of bad blood there. We'll see. Bengals

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00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 2: don't play the Steelers anymore. They do play the Baltimore

851
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Speaker 2: Ravens tonight, and I guess that's something I'm gonna be

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Speaker 2: looking for this evening and just for the foreseeable future.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that Jamar Chase has earned a reputation

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Speaker 2: for being a guy whose skin you can get under,

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Speaker 2: but Jalen Ramsey got under it two weeks ago against

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Speaker 2: the Steelers. So if I'm Marlon Humphrey, or Kyle Hamilton

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Speaker 2: or one of those Ravens defenders. I'm gonna try to

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00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 2: under Jamar Chase's skin, not because I want to get

859
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 2: spit at, but because I want to see if he'll

860
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 2: do something stupid, whether it's just something silly that earns

861
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 2: his team of fifteen yard penalty or something really dumb

862
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 2: that earns an ejection, like you can't tell me that

863
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 2: if you're Marlin Humphrey, if you're one of the Baltimore dbs,

864
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 2: you're not thinking, huh, Jalen must have gotten under his skin?

865
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 2: Could we get under his skin? If I'm one of

866
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 2: those Ravens defensive backs, I'm gonna try to bait Jamar

867
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 2: into doing something stupid, and hopefully if they do, Jamar

868
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 2: doesn't take the bait, we will see be great to

869
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 2: have him back. Bengals aren't gonna have t Higgins tonight, either,

870
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 2: which I think the moment we saw him come off

871
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 2: the field last Sunday against the Patriots, we all assumed

872
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 2: he had no chance. He's playing four days later against Baltimore,

873
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,240
Speaker 2: so at the very least they have a Jamar Chase.

874
00:46:58,040 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 2: I was asked this question on my show on ESPN.

875
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 2: Fifteen thirty this week about like, would I be open

876
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 2: to the idea of trading T Higgins at the end

877
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 2: of this season and we could talk about this. The

878
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 2: answer is yes, I'm open to it if I ran

879
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 2: the Bengals, because Number One, I've tried it with T

880
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 2: Higgins the last couple of years. It hasn't worked. And

881
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 2: this is also something I shouldn't have to say. T

882
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 2: Higgins is a beloved Cincinnati Bengal and should be. If

883
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 2: we were to do the thing where you mentioned your

884
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 2: favorite player for me, it'd probably be T Higgins. Like

885
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 2: I've loved everything about how he has handled himself, how

886
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 2: he's played like team first guy. Love T Higgins. But

887
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 2: they've tried this with Joe, Jamar and T and the

888
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 2: results haven't worked the last few years. The team building

889
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,959
Speaker 2: around those guys hasn't worked, And the tea building around

890
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 2: those guys moving forward is the methods, the overarching philosophies,

891
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,479
Speaker 2: the way they do it. I guess those things aren't

892
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 2: gonna change, So keep that in mind. It's not like

893
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,760
Speaker 2: it's working right now the way they're trying to do things.

894
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 2: Number Two, in order for them to successfully undergo the

895
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 2: defensive overhaul that they're gonna have to kind of make

896
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 2: define their offseason. They're probably gonna need a lot of

897
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,760
Speaker 2: draft capital. They could also use a little extra money.

898
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 2: If you trade T Higgins, you get one and you

899
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 2: free up the other. That's not a bad thing. Like,

900
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 2: you know, they can go sign free agents to play

901
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 2: defense for this team. But they're not gonna be able

902
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 2: to go and do what they did in twenty twenty

903
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,399
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one when they just like threw a bunch

904
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 2: of money at dudes like Trey Hendrickson and Shouldobia Woozy

905
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 2: and Von Bell and Mike Hilton and DJ Reader. I

906
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 2: ain't gonna happen, So, you know, might free up a

907
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 2: little bit more. Coin might also helped me stockpile a

908
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 2: draft choice or two high end draft choices. And again,

909
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 2: this isn't giveaway t It's not, you know, give them

910
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 2: away for sixty five cents on the dollar. It's try

911
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 2: to flip them for something of equal or even greater value.

912
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 2: The other part of this, though, is this was the

913
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 2: plan a year ago. Like a year ago, at this time,

914
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 2: by all accounts, the Bengals were ready to move on

915
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 2: from T Higgins and then Joe Burrow changed the narrative,

916
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 2: and Joe Burrow, you know, nearly a year ago, goes

917
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 2: in front of the microphones and cameras after a Monday

918
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 2: night football game and you know, basically changes the direction

919
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 2: the Bengals seemingly were gonna go in. T Higgins was

920
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 2: not in their future plans. Joe Burrow made him, made

921
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 2: T Higgins a part of their future plans. And so

922
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 2: number one, you kind of wonder what would the alternate

923
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 2: universe look like where they don't sign T Higgins the

924
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 2: way they did. Number two too, if you already were thinking,

925
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 2: you know what, it might be best for us as

926
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 2: an organization to move on from this player as great

927
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 2: and as beloved as he is, because we can we

928
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 2: could use we could use the money, we could we

929
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 2: could build our team differently than paying wide receivers. If

930
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 2: you thought that's was the best way of doing things

931
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 2: and you pivoted to something else and the direction you

932
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 2: pivoted in hasn't worked, how then do you not go

933
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 2: back and revisit what you were going to do to

934
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 2: begin with. And again, man, I'm not gonna say I

935
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 2: wanted T Higgins to go away at the end of

936
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 2: last season, I think what they're doing can work, but

937
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 2: I'm not sure it can if you maintain the status

938
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 2: quo as it relates to your draft, how you draft,

939
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 2: and the number of picks you get. And I just

940
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 2: don't know if there's anybody else that you could use

941
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 2: to trade for more draft capital. We will see. By

942
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 2: the way, a part of this conversation is also Jermaine Burton.

943
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 2: It is remarkable. Last week the Bengals needed a receiver

944
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 2: arguably the best in the sport wasn't available. Did the

945
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 2: Bengals dip into their reservoir of receivers and pull out

946
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 2: a guy that they drafted in the third round who

947
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 2: had played at two SEC schools. No, they did not.

948
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 2: It is remarkable. It is remarkable a third round draft

949
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 2: choice from just last year doesn't play. Remarkable. Let's highlight

950
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 2: the delivery of last week's game. It is brought to

951
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 2: you by RNL Carriers. Go to RLC dot com and

952
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 2: make RNL Carriers your global transportation provider. The delivery of

953
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 2: the game for me was Joe Flacco's pick six, the

954
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 2: one that Marcus Jones picked off in the second quarter

955
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 2: last Sunday took thirty three yards to the House. It

956
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 2: gave the Patriots a fourteen to ten lead. I'm probably

957
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 2: like most maybe like you. Prior to Joe Flacco coming

958
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 2: to the Cincinnati I didn't feel that strongly about him

959
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 2: either way. Like he was the quarterback of the Ravens

960
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 2: for a long time, seems sort of likable. Didn't really

961
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 2: care that much to learn about his personality. Since he

962
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 2: has shown up in Cincinnati, I think he has demonstrated

963
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 2: good humor, great perspective, leadership. He's done everything he can.

964
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 2: Like I'm a Joe Flacco fan for life, but it

965
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 2: has felt like over the last couple of weeks like

966
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:28,720
Speaker 2: he has turned into a little bit of a pumpkin.

967
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,240
Speaker 2: He makes the throw the pick six, It was another

968
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 2: bad decision. He's physically limited, Like, boy, that's got to

969
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 2: be better. So the Bengals lose that game, not necessarily

970
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 2: because of the pick six, but a game that was

971
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,439
Speaker 2: decided by less than a touchdown where the Bengals had

972
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 2: almost no margin for error. You can't make a mistake

973
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 2: like that. Joe Burrow hopefully doesn't make a mistake like that.

974
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 2: We will see, and you know, we'll see if Joe

975
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 2: Flacco takes another snap for the Cincinnati Bengals. One of

976
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 2: the interesting conversations we're gonna have this offseason is who's

977
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 2: the backup quarterback going to be? Joe Flacco is forty,

978
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 2: not under contract. Jake Browning this year as a starting

979
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 2: QB was a disaster. The backup quarterback has to be

980
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 2: somebody that you feel you could trust. For all the

981
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 2: success that Jake Browning had two years ago when he

982
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 2: got pressed into service, I'm not sure he did anything

983
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 2: to make anybody feel like you could trust him if

984
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 2: you have to turn to him in some sort of

985
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 2: meaningful situation, is Joe Flacco interested in coming back and

986
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 2: playing in the NFL next year? If the answer is yes,

987
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 2: why would you not want him back? Why would you

988
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 2: to be a backup? Not play fifteen sixteen games to

989
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 2: be a reliable, steady backup? Provide some perspective, that sort

990
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 2: of thing we will see. But unfortunately, yes, Joe Flacco

991
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 2: did provide the delivery off week's game, which is no good.

992
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 2: The Bengals defense was better, And we're gonna talk a

993
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 2: little bit about Geno Stone, who I feel like we've

994
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,720
Speaker 2: talked about almost every single week for purely negative reasons.

995
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 2: But if you're gonna do that. You got to point

996
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 2: out when the dude has a good game, and he

997
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 2: had a really good game last week, and we'll get

998
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 2: to that here coming up in just a bit. Al

999
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 2: Golden's defense was better. It wasn't perfect, it wasn't even

1000
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 2: I would say good, but it was better. Was that

1001
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 2: a matter of schematics or was that may be a

1002
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,399
Speaker 2: matter of dudes just lining up and beating the dude

1003
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 2: in front of him. We're gonna talk about that with

1004
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 2: our guy, Sean Saya. This dude joins me every single

1005
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 2: week on ESPN fifteen thirty, and he's kind enough to

1006
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:45,399
Speaker 2: join us on the RNL carriers pregame sports talk coming

1007
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 2: up here in just a bit. Also, a little bit

1008
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 2: later on, we're gonna chat with a dude who writes

1009
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 2: a great Bengals column for Cincinnati Magazine. This guy actually

1010
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 2: writes for a lot of different publications. He writes a

1011
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 2: large Bengals chapter in the f Fantasy Preseason Almanac, which

1012
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 2: is a must every July and August. Robert Winstroud will

1013
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 2: get his perspective on the Bengals, the Ravens, and everything

1014
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 2: related to this game and the Bengals franchise. That is

1015
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 2: coming up here in just about twenty minutes. We are

1016
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 2: looking forward to that. If you'd like to send me

1017
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 2: a tweet during the show, go ahead and do that

1018
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 2: At mullegar. We're getting ready for the Bengals and Baltimore

1019
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 2: Ravens tonight. This is the RNL Carriers pregame sports talk show.

1020
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 2: We are presented today by your Cincinnati and Northern Kentucky

1021
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 2: Toyota dealers. This is the RNL Carriers pregame sports talk show,

1022
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 2: presented by your Cincinnati and Northern Kentucky Toyota dealers. I'm Moegar.

1023
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 2: Hope you're having a great Thanksgiving. We are just about

1024
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 2: three hours away from kickoff. The Bengals and Baltimore Ravens

1025
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,320
Speaker 2: Tonight kickoff at eight to twenty with postgame coverage going

1026
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:56,760
Speaker 2: deep into Black Friday with our guy Austin Elmore. Sean

1027
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 2: Sayed is with sumer sports dot com. He has a

1028
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 2: great newsletter, these Stats and Scheme Newsletter. He joins my

1029
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 2: show every Tuesday on ESPN fifteen thirty. Kind enough to

1030
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 2: join us on Thanksgiving. Awesome to have you, Sean. The

1031
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,839
Speaker 2: Bengals last week. Let's start with the defense. Did they

1032
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 2: do some new and better things schematically or did they

1033
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 2: just line up and beat the dudes in front of them.

1034
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 5: Oh, it was really kind of fun to watch. I

1035
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 5: wouldn't say it was necessarily schematic. I thought it was

1036
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 5: a little bit more at the player level where on

1037
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 5: our AI grade, DJ Turner had a grate out as

1038
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 5: an eight, which is seen as like a player of

1039
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,879
Speaker 5: the week type performance. You also get that really nice

1040
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 5: pick six from Gino Stone. You get some stunting success

1041
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:38,800
Speaker 5: on the inside, which I did like that, you know,

1042
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 5: test the offensive line in a different way, a bunch

1043
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 5: of goal line stands and kind of getting in the

1044
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,399
Speaker 5: face of wide receiver. So actually, now I think about

1045
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 5: it was a little bit schematic, but definitely at that

1046
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 5: player level where now we're getting okay, good games from

1047
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 5: Murphy Hill and Osi like those are things that you

1048
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 5: can actually build on, where I do think some of

1049
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 5: the issues for the Patriots came down to something as

1050
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 5: simple as Drake made just just spraying a few of

1051
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,399
Speaker 5: those three. It was all the fun, if I may

1052
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 5: say so myself, To watch that game.

1053
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 2: Back, it was. It was an entertaining game. It didn't

1054
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 2: have the right result. When teams play good goal line defense.

1055
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 2: Is that ever schematic or is it just line up

1056
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 2: and beat the dude in front.

1057
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 5: Of you sella. I would say for really high level

1058
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 5: goal line offenses, it can very much be schematic. I

1059
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 5: think when you see four runs right into the middle,

1060
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 5: back to back to back to back, I would lean

1061
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 5: that to be a little bit more at the player level.

1062
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 5: And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. As

1063
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:31,919
Speaker 5: much as I talk about skins and stuff, I still

1064
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 5: think this is a player makes plays type of league.

1065
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 5: So I do think that was just like a really

1066
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 5: nice job on the inside at the individual level. How

1067
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 5: many times have we talk this year and even look

1068
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 5: at it in this game, where are you missing a tackle?

1069
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 5: Are you able to destroy a block? And I think

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00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 5: the Bengals did that on the goal line against the Patriots.

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00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 2: The one thing they did not do well, and it's

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00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 2: been a deficiency all year. I think it stood out

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00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 2: on Sunday because they actually did do a lot of

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00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:57,959
Speaker 2: things well is they had no defense in the middle

1075
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 2: of the field. Hunter Henry Austin Hooper combined ten catches.

1076
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 2: Hunter Henry had one hundred and fifteen yards. They combined

1077
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 2: for over one fifty five Is there is there anything

1078
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 2: you can do when you are playing two rookie linebackers

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00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 2: and you have the deficiencies the Bengals have in safety,

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00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 2: Is there anything that al Golden can do to at

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00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 2: least somewhat shore up their defense in the middle of

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00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 2: the field, and.

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00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 5: You can try and find ways maybe just make their

1084
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 5: life a little easier, whether half the time you're sending

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00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 5: one linebacker and you're able to simplify the job of

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00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 5: the other linebacker. Because I agree with you, and I'm

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00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,959
Speaker 5: watching that back and like any time the Patriots needed

1088
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 5: to find a way to create some explosion, it's like,

1089
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 5: let's get the linebackers going in the wrong direction, we're

1090
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 5: going to be able to take advantage of them. So

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00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 5: I will say linebacker in the NFL is an extremely

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00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 5: hard job. When you look at the top, there aren't

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00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 5: like fifteen dominant dominant players. Maybe the same way you

1094
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 5: think about wide receiver, but it's yeah, sometimes a little

1095
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 5: the tough and thin get through some of the film

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00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 5: when you're looking at emotion just like totally kind of

1097
00:58:57,800 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 5: unfolding part of the defense.

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00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really stood out on Sunday. I'm not sure

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00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 2: that's going to get any better. Given the fact that

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00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 2: they're going to play a team with a couple of

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00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 2: really good tight ends in the Baltimore Ravens. So Joe

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00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 2: Burrow is going to play, and you and I have

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00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 2: talked about this a bunch. I don't expect Joe Burrow

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00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 2: to suddenly start taking a bunch of snaps under center.

1105
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 2: But like, given given what they have been able to

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00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:24,959
Speaker 2: touch on offensively without Joe, given Joe's extensive skill set

1107
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 2: and all his experience, what can we expect schematically for

1108
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 2: Zach Taylor and Dan Pitcher to come up with against Baltimore?

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00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 5: I mean, can I get some isolation shots from my

1110
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 5: guy Mitchell Tinsley? A lot of fun to watch against

1111
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 5: the Patriots so much, it was a lot of fun.

1112
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 5: Bo I'm looking for anything that can make this stuff

1113
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 5: more fun when I'm watching it. I do think, obviously,

1114
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 5: with f Ke Higgins in this game, that is a

1115
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 5: little bit of a bummer, And I guess like underneath

1116
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 5: it all, I feel like, yes, Joe Burrow is probably

1117
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 5: not going to just become like a forty under center

1118
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 5: type quarterback, but maybe we should have a little bit

1119
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 5: of that expectation where you need to find different ways

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01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 5: to make life easier on your offensive line, you need

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01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 5: to find different ways to really put defenses in a conflict.

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01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 5: And I mean, I thought Jakes Brown had a really

1123
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 5: good game against the Patriots. You're able to see that burst.

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01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 5: I think he can run from gun and on your center.

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01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 5: But if we're getting into under center looks, we're getting

1126
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 5: that play action. Look we can have guys running across

1127
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 5: the middle of the field. I do want to see

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01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 5: that for the Bengals because the rest of this year

1129
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 5: to me, and I like that Burroughs playing because you know,

1130
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 5: it's like he's he's paid. And I think that if

1131
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 5: you take a full year off of football, that is

1132
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 5: really tough. Now, MO don't play this back if he

1133
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 5: gets injured at any point over.

1134
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Speaker 2: The next two games here.

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Speaker 5: But I do think, like keep finding ways to shape

1136
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 5: that offense and more for the little bit. And I

1137
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 5: totally get Burrow is a special, like one of one

1138
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 5: type shotgun player, like he really really is. But in

1139
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 5: the NFL now, the way things are going, you're not

1140
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 5: always able to just sit back there. You don't want

1141
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 5: to drop back forty five times from a regular shotgun.

1142
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 5: The way that your offensive line kind of has played overall,

1143
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 5: so let's expect a little bit understand and hopefully be

1144
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 5: able to talk about it more.

1145
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 2: Next week, I hope, So it'll be interesting. Sean side

1146
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 2: As with a Subscribe to his newsletter, the Stats and

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Speaker 2: Stems Newsletter at sumersports dot com. The Baltimore Ravens in

1148
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 2: the first four or five games of the season were

1149
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 2: nearly as bad as the Bengals are defensively. Since then,

1150
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 2: they've been terrific. Six consecutive opponents, they've given up twenty

1151
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 2: points for fewer. The obvious answer I think is they've

1152
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 2: gotten healthier. But beyond that, what's been the difference you've

1153
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 2: seen on tape between Baltimore in the first half of

1154
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:33,040
Speaker 2: their game so far and what they've done over the

1155
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:33,920
Speaker 2: last month and a half.

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01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 5: The big difference has been Putting Kyle Hamilton in the slot.

1157
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 5: You get them a little bit closer to the line,

1158
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 5: You get them to play physical against the run, really

1159
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 5: as like a linebacker type of body. But also, I

1160
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 5: don't want to take anything away from the wins, but

1161
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 5: you played the Jets, the Browns, the Vikings, and the Dolphins,

1162
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 5: not exactly the greatest stretch of offenses in the NFL

1163
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 5: so Kyle Hampton. I think he exited the game maybe

1164
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 5: twice against the Jets for being banged up. I think

1165
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 5: he ends up being healthy and assuming that he's gonna play,

1166
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 5: but maybe take it to him a little bit, you know,

1167
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 5: at that physical level where I mean, he's an awesome

1168
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 5: run defender. So I'm not saying that you're gonna get

1169
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 5: positives all the time. But you know, let's see, are

1170
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 5: you going to be able to as a safety type

1171
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 5: body play in the box for you know, thirty forty

1172
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 5: that's a game.

1173
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 2: You point out that if you look at the Bengals

1174
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 2: Jets game, Derrick Henry just a nineteen percent rushing success

1175
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 2: rate right the first game of the season, and granted

1176
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 2: he had a big fumble in that game, but they

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01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 2: lose to Buffalo. Derreck Henry was awesome in that game.

1178
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 2: I feel like when I've watched him since, that hasn't

1179
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 2: so much been the case. Meanwhile, Lamar Jackson hasn't been himself.

1180
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 2: Not sure he's totally healthy. What's missing from the Ravens

1181
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 2: offense this year?

1182
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think those two things are tied together quite well,

1183
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 5: because I don't think Lamar Jackson is one hundred percent healthy.

1184
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 5: I don't think he's able to like be a conciston. Hey,

1185
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 5: we're gonna lean on you for fifteen carries every single game,

1186
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 5: and if you're not able to do that, sometimes it

1187
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 5: ends up closing some of the lanes for Derreck Henry.

1188
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 5: So I it's been interesting to see this offense definitely

1189
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 5: take a little bit of a step back and it

1190
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 5: feels like on the outside, yes, a flowers and had

1191
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 5: a good year, but I'm just not sure that this

1192
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 5: receiving group like really strikes a ton of fear in

1193
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 5: your heart. So if you're able to win over you know,

1194
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 5: the left guard, the right guard, where I think you

1195
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 5: can take advantage of this offense and you're able to

1196
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 5: tackle Henry, you know, just at our near the live

1197
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 5: of Scream, which I think is going to be a

1198
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 5: real test for the Bengals linebackers. But yeah, I think

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Speaker 5: even at a team that is probably I guess is

1200
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 5: gonna win the AFT North because we have to give

1201
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 5: the AFC North Championship to someone this season. They're not

1202
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 5: really a They're not I think making me shake in

1203
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 5: my boots.

1204
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, that's that's the thing, man. You know,

1205
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 2: if you're Baltimore, you go, Okay, put the Bengals away.

1206
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 2: They should be able to beat Pittsburgh twice. I don't

1207
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 2: think the Steelers are very good. H we'll see, Sean sayed.

1208
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1224
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 5: Bengals offense done without Joe Burrow on the field, which actually,

1225
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 5: Joe Blackow, I'm not talking about you, Joe Blackham. You

1226
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,160
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Speaker 2: Suomer Sports dot com it's an awesome website. So is

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01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:38,640
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Speaker 2: magazine for that website. You'll hear him next. This is

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Speaker 2: Pregame Sports Talk presented by Your Raider, Cincinnati and Northern

1235
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Speaker 2: Kentucky Toyota Dealers. On Maleger the Bengals playing on Thanksgiving.

1236
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:00,959
Speaker 2: Bengals playing the Baltimore Ravens trying to break a four

1237
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:04,479
Speaker 2: game losing streak to Baltimore. Haven't beaten the Ravens since

1238
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 2: that playoff game featuring the the Rumble in the Jungle.

1239
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 2: That's what we call it, right, the Hubbard yard Dash

1240
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 2: by the great Sam Hubbard. Bengals won that playoff game

1241
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 2: early in the twenty twenty three calendar year. Twenty twenty

1242
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 2: two season, they have lost the last four meetings ever since.

1243
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 2: Let's take a look at what happened on this date

1244
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati sports history. It is brought to you by

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1246
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 2: I got five significant occurrences on November twenty seventh in

1247
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 2: Cincinnati sports history. They're actually all Bengals games, starting with

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01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 2: the game in nineteen seventy seven between the Bengals and

1249
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 2: New York Giants. This game, for I guess about four

1250
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 2: plus years, was considered the coldest game in Bengals history.

1251
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 2: We all know, oh what then became the coldest game

1252
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 2: in Bengals history the freezer Ble eighty one AFC Championship game.

1253
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 2: But November twenty seventh, nineteen seventy seven, that game at

1254
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 2: Riverfront Stadium held the title Winshills dipped to nine below.

1255
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 2: There were mounds of snow on the field that accumulated

1256
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 2: throughout the afternoon, but the Bengals played great. Billy Brooks

1257
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 2: scored a couple of touchdowns as Cincinnati beat the New

1258
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 2: York Giants thirty to thirteen. It was on this date,

1259
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 2: November twenty seventh, nineteen eighty eight, the Bengals ran for

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01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 2: two hundred and thirty two rushing yards in a thirty

1261
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 2: five to twenty one win over the Buffalo Bills. It

1262
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 2: dropped Buffalo to eleven to two and prevented the Bills

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01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:44,760
Speaker 2: from clinching home field advantage throughout the AFC playoffs, which

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01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 2: the Bengals would go on to claim. It was a

1265
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 2: really good Buffalo defense that season, but the Bengals rolled

1266
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 2: up four hundred and fifty five total yards against Buffalo.

1267
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:57,880
Speaker 2: Prior to that, they had not given up more than

1268
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 2: one hundred to one rushing yard in a single game.

1269
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 2: It was on this date in two thousand and five,

1270
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:07,880
Speaker 2: Carson Palmer had three touchdown passes, the late great Rudy

1271
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 2: Johnson ran for a couple of scores, and the Bengals

1272
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:12,520
Speaker 2: jumped out to a thirty four to nothing lead over

1273
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 2: the Baltimore Ravens on their way to a forty two

1274
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:18,760
Speaker 2: to twenty nine home victory. The wins sent Cincinnati to

1275
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Speaker 2: an eight and three record. It was on this date,

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01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 2: November twenty seventh, twenty eleven, the Bengals got two Mike

1277
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 2: Nugent fourth quarter field goals and they improved a seven

1278
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 2: and four with a twenty three to twenty win over

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01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:34,600
Speaker 2: the Cleveland Browns. The Bengals would go on to make

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Speaker 2: the playoffs that year that was aj Green's rookie season

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01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 2: and Andy Dalton's rookie season. It was on this date

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Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen where Justin Tucker kicked four field goals

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Speaker 2: for the Baltimore Ravens and they would go on to

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01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:51,320
Speaker 2: beat the Bengals in Baltimore by a score of nineteen

1285
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Speaker 2: to fourteen, a tough loss for a Bengals team that

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Speaker 2: did not make the postseason that year. Bengals are getting

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Speaker 2: set to take on the ball Baltimore Ravens. That game

1288
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Speaker 2: I just mentioned was a one o'clock Sunday game. It is.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of remarkable if you think about it, and

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01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 2: this was something that we talked a lot about, and

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01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow himself talked a lot about around the schedule release.

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01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 2: Bengals are playing the Ravens on a short week on

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Speaker 2: a Thursday in prime time. This is the fourth consecutive

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Speaker 2: year the Bengals have now played the Ravens on a

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Speaker 2: Thursday night. Go back to twenty twenty two. They lose

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Speaker 2: in Baltimore that night on a last second field goal.

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Speaker 2: They lose in twenty twenty three on the game where

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01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow injured his wrist and they lost a great

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01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 2: game last year thirty five thirty four, when the Bengals

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01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:42,640
Speaker 2: failed to connect on a two point conversion in the

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Speaker 2: game's final minute after pulling within a score pulling within

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01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:51,839
Speaker 2: a point in the final minute. So those results plus

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01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 2: the Bengals victory over the Pittsburgh Steelers at pay Corpse

1304
01:08:56,080 --> 01:09:00,799
Speaker 2: Stadium this year, means that AFC North teams on Thursday

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01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 2: Night Football are now two and eighteen when they're on

1306
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 2: the road. When they're on the road, that obviously includes

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01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:11,840
Speaker 2: all those Bengals Ravens games of recent vintage and the

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01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 2: Bengals victory over the Pittsburgh Steelers earlier this year two

1309
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:18,800
Speaker 2: and eighteen on the road in the AFC North, when

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01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 2: teams play on a Thursday, let's salute the performer of

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Speaker 2: the week. It is brought to you by Crown Royal,

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01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:27,640
Speaker 2: the official whiskey of the Bengals, bringing the spirit to

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01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 2: every game this season. I'm going to mention a guy

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01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:34,080
Speaker 2: that I didn't think I would be mentioning in this

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01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:39,720
Speaker 2: base five days ago. Geno Stone. Geno Stone has not

1316
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 2: had a very good season. Geno Stone has not been

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01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:46,400
Speaker 2: not proven to be a quality acquisition by the Bengals.

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01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:49,720
Speaker 2: But he had a good game last week, had to

1319
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:52,600
Speaker 2: pick six, made a couple of nice plays on the

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Speaker 2: goal line, and so we'll give it to him. The

1321
01:09:55,920 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 2: Bengals defense was slightly better. The tackling was better, safety

1322
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 2: play was better. Geno Stone was better. Good for him,

1323
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 2: good for Zach Taylor. If tonight he doesn't coach the

1324
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 2: way he coached last week when he coached Scared, that

1325
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:16,320
Speaker 2: to me was the sequence that stuck in my crawl

1326
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:20,519
Speaker 2: after that game and into Monday and Tuesday was fourth quarter,

1327
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:24,920
Speaker 2: fourth and one at their own forty five yard line.

1328
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 2: They had just passed the ball on third down. Didn't work.

1329
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:32,120
Speaker 2: They had run the ball effectively all afternoon. Instead of

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01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 2: passing on third and one and then calling a running

1331
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:38,839
Speaker 2: play on fourth and one, they tried the old dram

1332
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:42,120
Speaker 2: off sides with a hard count, see if we can

1333
01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 2: get a five yard penalty. When it didn't work, they

1334
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 2: took a delay a game, and then Ryan Rico just

1335
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:51,200
Speaker 2: smashed the ball into the end zone for a touchback.

1336
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 2: Bengals were three and seven going into that game. You

1337
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 2: cannot coach scared and he, you know, he defended himself

1338
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:01,800
Speaker 2: to would agree his explanation didn't make a ton of

1339
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 2: sense to me. They've got a defense that, while it

1340
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 2: was better last week, is just not very good. Everything

1341
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:13,520
Speaker 2: about that situation, including the analytics, everything about that situation

1342
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:20,759
Speaker 2: screamed go for it. By the way, most NFL plays

1343
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 2: gain yardage most of the time. The drawm off sides

1344
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 2: play doesn't work, so it doesn't gain yardage. Lean on

1345
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 2: what's gonna gain yardage? Not the old drawmaf sides play.

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01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 2: All right. I mentioned before we're gonna have Robert Wintroup

1347
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 2: on the show, and I meant it. He is gonna

1348
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:41,240
Speaker 2: join us to talk about tonight's game and other Bengals

1349
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 2: related issues. Next, this is the RNL Carriers pregame sports

1350
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 2: talk show presented by your Cincinnati and Northern Kentucky Toyota dealers.

1351
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:53,280
Speaker 2: It's an RNL Carriers pregame sports talk show presented about

1352
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:56,559
Speaker 2: your Cincinnati and you other Kentucky Toyota dealers on My Legger,

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01:11:56,840 --> 01:12:00,120
Speaker 2: Angles and Ravens coming up tonight. Countdown to kickoff just

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01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:03,719
Speaker 2: over an hour away at seven pm with Wayne box Miller.

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Speaker 2: Robert win Trump joins My show on Thursdays Today's Thursday

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01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Magazine dot Com. He has a Bengals column that

1357
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:14,440
Speaker 2: he writes every single week, So uh, do this instead

1358
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:17,200
Speaker 2: of instead of, like, I don't know, talking about politics

1359
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:20,240
Speaker 2: with your family at the Thanksgiving table, read Robert's column

1360
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:22,160
Speaker 2: and then use that to come up with topics for

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01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 2: your Thanksgiving dinner conversation. There you go, Robert is kind

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01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 2: enough to join us. It's awesome to have you. Happy Thanksgiving, Robert,

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Speaker 2: how are you?

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Speaker 8: Yes? And uh, you know, I've made a no Bengals

1365
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 8: talk rule for this Thanksgiving on the house, just turkey only.

1366
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:38,599
Speaker 8: But then the Bengals schedule game that night, so it's

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Speaker 8: even that season.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, well hopefully hopelieve they don't ruin Thanksgiving. We

1369
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 2: will see. I'm gonna start positive. I'm gonna start positive.

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01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:49,519
Speaker 2: The Bengals did lose last week to the Patriots, but

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Speaker 2: at least we didn't come out of that game complaining

1372
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:53,800
Speaker 2: about the lack of effort on defense. That's fight. And

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01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 2: Joe Stone had a good game, like you know, the

1374
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 2: walking Pinata. If I'm gonna beat him up when he's bad,

1375
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:00,320
Speaker 2: I got a credit on what he he's good. He

1376
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:01,680
Speaker 2: had a good game, had a pick six, made a

1377
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 2: nice play of the goal line. Over All, the defense

1378
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 2: wasn't perfect, but it was better. Can I can I

1379
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:09,559
Speaker 2: cling to the idea that they started to turn the

1380
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 2: corner against the Patriots.

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01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:14,880
Speaker 8: Well, if you mean by they turned a corner into

1382
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:17,120
Speaker 8: the path of an on rushing car, then I guess

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01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:22,719
Speaker 8: say that. Yeah. They're still historically bad. They are still

1384
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 8: the worst team by DVOA through eleven games in DVOA history.

1385
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:30,160
Speaker 8: But they're right on the verge of catching those pesky

1386
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:33,240
Speaker 8: nineteen seventy nine forty nine ers, just a tenth of

1387
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 8: a percentage point behind him. So one more good effort

1388
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 8: and I think maybe they'll get out of that odious

1389
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 8: last place there. Listen, did they play better on Sunday. Absolutely?

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Speaker 8: You know, they even showed Drake May kind of confused

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01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 8: a little bit, and I don't want to say he

1392
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:51,120
Speaker 8: was chasing ghosts or whatever the you know the term

1393
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:54,200
Speaker 8: is for a confused quarterback. But you know, he didn't

1394
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:56,599
Speaker 8: look like the MVP caliber guy that we were lit

1395
01:13:56,880 --> 01:14:00,160
Speaker 8: he was. I put So, guys, we've written off, like

1396
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:02,960
Speaker 8: you said, g you know Stone, certainly, Miles Murphy had another,

1397
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:07,040
Speaker 8: you know, pretty solid game, and even Barry Carter made

1398
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:11,280
Speaker 8: a handful of decent plays, just generally, they combined what

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01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 8: they had been doing, which is running around like chickens

1400
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:16,559
Speaker 8: with their head cut off. They showed some situational awareness,

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01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 8: I think for the first time in a long long time,

1402
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:23,559
Speaker 8: and you know, married high energy, which you know, they

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01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 8: it's not like they had completely given up through most

1404
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 8: of these games. They were trying. They were just using

1405
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:32,439
Speaker 8: the opposing teams were using that effort against them in

1406
01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 8: a lot of ways, and you know, demoralizing them by

1407
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:39,640
Speaker 8: using that energy against them so much. So now you know,

1408
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:42,760
Speaker 8: you kind of married that energy with actual execution, and

1409
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 8: that's what you want to see. Now, you know, does

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01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:47,519
Speaker 8: that mean they're going to hold the Ravens to nine points?

1411
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:50,360
Speaker 8: And when the game seems unlikely, does it mean that

1412
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:52,320
Speaker 8: we can count on a lot of these guys as

1413
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:56,559
Speaker 8: building blocks for twenty twenty six and beyond? Also likely?

1414
01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 8: But you know, it's at least something in I think

1415
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:01,759
Speaker 8: Al Golden is going to point to it and say, hey,

1416
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:03,920
Speaker 8: this is what we've been telling you guys all along.

1417
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:06,719
Speaker 8: See what happens when you actually listen to the message.

1418
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:08,559
Speaker 8: And I think that can only be a good thing

1419
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 8: going forward. And you know, hopefully as the season plays

1420
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:15,840
Speaker 8: out at least we'll have, you know, a defense that

1421
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 8: at least keeps the team in the game and doesn't

1422
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:20,320
Speaker 8: give it away completely week after week. And that's where

1423
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 8: you saw this past Sunday and hopefully for the rest

1424
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Speaker 8: of the year.

1425
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Speaker 2: I almost hate to do this because he did play

1426
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:29,960
Speaker 2: well last week, but Genostone has been mostly atrocious this season.

1427
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:32,680
Speaker 2: There's no getting around it. And so, you know, so

1428
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:36,080
Speaker 2: many of us have wondered like there's nobody else, Like

1429
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 2: there's literally nobody else. And I watched Tyson Anderson play

1430
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:40,880
Speaker 2: on special teams and I see a guy who at

1431
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 2: least makes makes tackles, and same for PJ. Jewels, and

1432
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:47,240
Speaker 2: so like, I get it. They're not being asked to cover,

1433
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:50,559
Speaker 2: but they're doing their jobs. And yet I get pushed

1434
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 2: back when I say, like, try one of those guys

1435
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:56,799
Speaker 2: instead of Geno Stone, and I'm told, well, they're special

1436
01:15:56,800 --> 01:16:00,200
Speaker 2: teams players. Why why can't Why can't? I thought, if

1437
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:02,759
Speaker 2: you excel on special teams, maybe you get a shot,

1438
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:05,240
Speaker 2: especially if there's a player who's in front of you

1439
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:07,640
Speaker 2: who's struggling, get a shot to play your you know,

1440
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:10,400
Speaker 2: natural position, so to speak. Why can't they use those

1441
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:11,240
Speaker 2: guys in safety?

1442
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, it is a little hard to understand. I mean

1443
01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:17,759
Speaker 8: I can under I know when you're talking about special

1444
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:20,639
Speaker 8: teams aces quote unquote, you know, the all time greats,

1445
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 8: the Steve Taskers and the Renee Thompson's going back, you know,

1446
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:28,000
Speaker 8: or Matthew Slater. Guys like that who are so great

1447
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:30,439
Speaker 8: that you take them off special teams and ask him

1448
01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:33,559
Speaker 8: to you know, sort of first apply it away from

1449
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 8: what they're great at. So you don't want to do that.

1450
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:38,599
Speaker 8: But with the average ranking special team player, I think

1451
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:40,479
Speaker 8: back to a guy from the Bengals, like a Clayton

1452
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:44,439
Speaker 8: Fishdella remember him, Yeah, you know, kind of a decent safety,

1453
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 8: had his moments, and you know he made his way

1454
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 8: onto the team and into the lineup because he played

1455
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:52,320
Speaker 8: really good special teams. And I'm not saying Tyson Anderson

1456
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:56,519
Speaker 8: necessarily even assidlum, but when you have the guy playing

1457
01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:58,479
Speaker 8: out there, as you say, who's been so bad and

1458
01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:01,040
Speaker 8: a guy who you know he is only on the

1459
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:03,280
Speaker 8: team because he took a pay cut in the off season,

1460
01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:07,439
Speaker 8: let's remember that, why not give Tyson a chance? Or

1461
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 8: PJ Jewles. I mean, it's it's not like you're taking

1462
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:13,240
Speaker 8: away a guy who you know, you're all of a

1463
01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 8: sudden saying, hey, we gotta have you go play special teams,

1464
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:18,280
Speaker 8: and this guy who's been on the special team's unit

1465
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 8: is not going to take your spot, and it's like

1466
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:22,720
Speaker 8: you're worried about him poisoning the clubhouse. I mean, the

1467
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:25,040
Speaker 8: ship has sailed. Let's get somebody in there or at

1468
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 8: least is gonna try hard. And if it doesn't work

1469
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:30,639
Speaker 8: out and he gets lost in coverage and he picks

1470
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:34,640
Speaker 8: bad angles and doesn't make plays, lit'sten what if you

1471
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:37,479
Speaker 8: lost really at the end of the day. So it

1472
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:40,439
Speaker 8: does seem a little strange, especially in Anderson's case. Who's

1473
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:43,880
Speaker 8: you know, a drafted player at one point and a

1474
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:45,960
Speaker 8: guy who were at least thinking about counting on as

1475
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 8: being a reserved depth player. To give him a chance,

1476
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:51,200
Speaker 8: and you say, maybe you catch lighting in a bottle

1477
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:53,800
Speaker 8: and next year he's so bad and having to place

1478
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:55,920
Speaker 8: the entire unit. Maybe at least you have one guy

1479
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 8: you can say, like he could be a third or

1480
01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:00,280
Speaker 8: four safety for us, and we feel good going into

1481
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:03,000
Speaker 8: the season. But you know, apparently they have their own

1482
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 8: plan in place, and who will we questioning?

1483
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:07,280
Speaker 2: Of course that's right, yes, who are we to question

1484
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:14,200
Speaker 2: anything with Cincinnatimagazine dot com. Uh, if we were, if

1485
01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:16,760
Speaker 2: we were to do this, we are doing it unscientifically,

1486
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 2: like rank offensive lines roughly, where would the Bengals offensive

1487
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 2: line b right now?

1488
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:26,680
Speaker 8: Uh, they would be right where we've always kind of

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01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:28,720
Speaker 8: wanted them to be in the Joe Barrow era, which

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01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:30,680
Speaker 8: is middle of the pack, you know, I mean their

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01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:32,840
Speaker 8: top ten and I think they're tied for tenth. And

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01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:36,400
Speaker 8: pressure rate allowed. We have a stat called adjusted sack

1493
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:40,519
Speaker 8: average allowed, and they're you know, right there in the

1494
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:44,120
Speaker 8: top twelve. The running game, their success rate is very high.

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01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:47,040
Speaker 8: They're still digging out from the early season in terms

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01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:49,960
Speaker 8: of what we call adjusted line yards, which tries to

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01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:52,880
Speaker 8: separate the line from the running back. But overall, the

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01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:55,680
Speaker 8: running game has obviously been really good the last six

1499
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:57,600
Speaker 8: seven weeks, one of the best in football. So that

1500
01:18:57,720 --> 01:18:59,600
Speaker 8: in the line clearly has a lot to do with that.

1501
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:02,120
Speaker 8: They're playing coherently as a unit. You can see it

1502
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:05,519
Speaker 8: on Sunday and given the fact and all the amount

1503
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:09,920
Speaker 8: of inks filled and talk made over the off season

1504
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 8: about worrying about the guard play and how this line

1505
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 8: was going to come together and what are they doing,

1506
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 8: they've gotten what they have always wanted and what they

1507
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:19,360
Speaker 8: said they were going to get at you. I don't

1508
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 8: think you can really say that, and certainly the way

1509
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:23,720
Speaker 8: they've played. Remember we talked about how it was a

1510
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:25,880
Speaker 8: ticking time bomb to put a guy like Joe Flacco

1511
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:27,800
Speaker 8: behind a line like this. Well, you know what, it

1512
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:30,080
Speaker 8: didn't work out. That why the line's played pretty well

1513
01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 8: and they scored a lot of points with Joe Flacco.

1514
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 8: And they can certainly look at the line. It's not

1515
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 8: a classically great line like the Bengals have fielded in

1516
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:41,360
Speaker 8: the past, and they certainly can look to upgrade at

1517
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 8: certain spots and depth in the off season. But I

1518
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:46,920
Speaker 8: think they can certainly look at it and say, hey,

1519
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:49,080
Speaker 8: you know what, we've made a lot of strides. The

1520
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:51,479
Speaker 8: overall unit has played well. They've been healthy for the

1521
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:54,200
Speaker 8: most part, and when guys have had to come in

1522
01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 8: and play, they've done well too. It's been a decent

1523
01:19:57,080 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 8: season from the offensive line. Who would have thought that.

1524
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:02,760
Speaker 2: Coming into the The only thing that I detest right

1525
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 2: now more than my mother in law's Cranberry relish that

1526
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:10,120
Speaker 2: I'm being forced to eat today is the fourth and one.

1527
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:12,719
Speaker 2: Let's try to draw them off sides play and look.

1528
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:16,000
Speaker 2: I every team every week tries it. It works occasionally.

1529
01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 2: Bengals tried it. Tried it against Pittsburgh, it didn't work.

1530
01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:21,519
Speaker 2: Tried it last week against New England from their own

1531
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:24,439
Speaker 2: forty five yard line in the fourth quarter, didn't work.

1532
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:28,439
Speaker 2: Delay a game penalty. You're an analytics guy, FTN fantasy.

1533
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:31,720
Speaker 2: Do do analytics? Maybe there's no answer to this, but

1534
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:36,439
Speaker 2: do analytics like the dreaded fourths and short let's try

1535
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:38,599
Speaker 2: to draw them off sides with a hard count play.

1536
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:42,559
Speaker 8: Well, you're right, there is no real analytics for it

1537
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:45,919
Speaker 8: because it's really hard to discern what the intended outcome

1538
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:47,760
Speaker 8: of the play is. Most of the time, it's just

1539
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:50,439
Speaker 8: sort of a It's what the offensive coaches love more

1540
01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:53,040
Speaker 8: than anything else, which is to play without any real

1541
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:55,719
Speaker 8: downside or consequences. The know, the worst that could happen

1542
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:57,519
Speaker 8: is he take it to play a game and just punt.

1543
01:20:57,680 --> 01:21:00,280
Speaker 8: You are almost certainly planning to do anyway, right, And

1544
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:03,439
Speaker 8: I think the problem that you have with it is

1545
01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:05,920
Speaker 8: most of the time it happens in the mission, like

1546
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:08,960
Speaker 8: you alluded to with the Bengals, you know, fourth and

1547
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 8: one trailing the Pats and then a good spot to

1548
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:14,559
Speaker 8: make a fourth down conversion instead of just going for it,

1549
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:17,040
Speaker 8: which is what analytics does want you to do. Clearly

1550
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:18,880
Speaker 8: they don't want to, but they don't want to just

1551
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:20,840
Speaker 8: try it out. The punt team do a courus of

1552
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:23,439
Speaker 8: booze immediately, so instead they go through the motions of

1553
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:26,439
Speaker 8: doing the bake off side play and you know it

1554
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:29,719
Speaker 8: harready ever works. But it's sort of the offensive inverse

1555
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:32,880
Speaker 8: of the old you know what, three things can happen

1556
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:35,040
Speaker 8: when you throw a pass, and two of them are bad.

1557
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:35,599
Speaker 2: You know, in this.

1558
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:38,360
Speaker 8: Case, three things can happen and only you know one

1559
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:40,240
Speaker 8: of them is great. We can draw them off side.

1560
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:42,679
Speaker 8: So that's why I think offensive coaches continue to trot

1561
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:46,080
Speaker 8: it out there. But almost always it's a situation where

1562
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:49,240
Speaker 8: if you just go for it and you know, don't

1563
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:52,439
Speaker 8: mess around or even try and pretend like you're thinking

1564
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:55,000
Speaker 8: about doing something else or or you know, trying to

1565
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:58,080
Speaker 8: you know, it almost feels like you're buttson the other

1566
01:21:58,120 --> 01:22:00,960
Speaker 8: team and their coaches and saying, hey, look, we screwed you.

1567
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:03,679
Speaker 8: Here are we geniuses. You know, just line up, get

1568
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:05,680
Speaker 8: the first down, or just punt it and be done

1569
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:08,160
Speaker 8: with it and trust your defense Obviously, the Bengals don't

1570
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 8: trust either their defense or their ability to make a

1571
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:14,519
Speaker 8: fourth down play in that case, so it leads to

1572
01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:17,240
Speaker 8: feeling like you do, which is like, this is horrible.

1573
01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:19,839
Speaker 8: Why am I looking at this? And it tastes terrible?

1574
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:23,519
Speaker 8: Just like my Thanksgiving turkey while with that Cranberry I'm said.

1575
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:27,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, love my mother in law, but the Cranberry relish,

1576
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:30,200
Speaker 2: and I've told this to her face, is truly atrocious.

1577
01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:33,760
Speaker 2: I propose this, if you try the fourth and one,

1578
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:35,840
Speaker 2: you know, try to draw them off sides, and then

1579
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:37,280
Speaker 2: you have to take a delay a game, I think

1580
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:39,640
Speaker 2: the penalty should be like thirty yards. I think that

1581
01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:43,599
Speaker 2: should be a competition Yes, the competition committee should review that.

1582
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:45,640
Speaker 2: There should be a steep penalty if you have to

1583
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:48,240
Speaker 2: take a delay a game penalty after trying the dreaded

1584
01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:49,960
Speaker 2: fourth and one, try to draw them off sides. Play

1585
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 2: your thoughts on that, well.

1586
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:55,000
Speaker 8: You know, we've talked about this in various other incarnations

1587
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:57,479
Speaker 8: of other plays, and especially the Tush push I think

1588
01:22:57,560 --> 01:23:00,680
Speaker 8: comes to mind. It's it's bad viewing experience. You know,

1589
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:03,280
Speaker 8: it's a bad it's bad television. Who wants that?

1590
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:03,559
Speaker 7: You know?

1591
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:06,599
Speaker 8: We know what's happening. We know what everybody's doing, so yeah,

1592
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:09,400
Speaker 8: make there have some consequences. Like I say, it's a

1593
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:12,360
Speaker 8: risk free play for the offense, and we shouldn't have those.

1594
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:14,760
Speaker 8: We should have plays that you know, both teams have

1595
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:17,360
Speaker 8: something to gain and lose. So if you don't make it,

1596
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:20,479
Speaker 8: you don't get the defense to jump fifteen yards and

1597
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 8: you know, a loss of a timeout or something like that. Yeah,

1598
01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:26,719
Speaker 8: something that would really make the offense think about going

1599
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:28,479
Speaker 8: forward and more often, which is you know what we

1600
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:30,759
Speaker 8: all want to see anyway, and make the game more exciting.

1601
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:33,479
Speaker 8: This just lessens the excitement of your regular game, and

1602
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:34,559
Speaker 8: who wants that.

1603
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:38,120
Speaker 2: I'm in favor of relinquishing draft picks, maybe relinquish a

1604
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:41,439
Speaker 2: whole game next year, a fine for the head coach,

1605
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:43,720
Speaker 2: like I want the penalty to be steep. So we'll

1606
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:46,280
Speaker 2: see if they if they put that on the on

1607
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:49,320
Speaker 2: the agenda this offseason. Awesome stuff. Has always enjoyed the

1608
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:51,200
Speaker 2: game tonight. Have a great Thanksgiving and we'll talk to

1609
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:51,800
Speaker 2: you next week.

1610
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 8: Absolutely, and to you two and everybody out there, Happy Thanksgiving.

1611
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:59,320
Speaker 2: Robert Wintrob writes a weekly Bengals column for Cincinnati Magazine

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Speaker 2: dot com Go and read it now. Robert is Awesome

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Speaker 2: joins us every Thursday on ESPN fifteen thirty. We have

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Speaker 2: just over an hour ago, getting a set for countdown

1615
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Speaker 2: to kickoff at seven pm. Let's talk about a guy

1616
01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 2: who's not going to be on the field tonight for

1617
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:16,120
Speaker 2: the Bengals, and it's not t Higgins that coming up

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Speaker 7: Let me go.

1633
01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:20,240
Speaker 2: This is the RNL Carriers pregame Sports Talk, presented by

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01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:24,800
Speaker 2: your Cincinnati and Northern Kentucky Toyota dealers. It's the Power Hour,

1635
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 2: the final hour, as we get said, for the Bengals

1636
01:25:27,320 --> 01:25:30,280
Speaker 2: and Ravens. Tonight. Wayne box Miller takes over with countdown

1637
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:32,720
Speaker 2: to kickoff at seven pm. Kickoff tonight is at eight

1638
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:36,280
Speaker 2: twenty with Dan Hord and Dave Lapham. Austin Elmore has

1639
01:25:36,360 --> 01:25:39,600
Speaker 2: postgame Sports Talk after the locker Room report. There is

1640
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:41,880
Speaker 2: a lot going on. I have a feeling right now

1641
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:44,840
Speaker 2: this is the hour. If you're a Bengals fan, you've

1642
01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:47,599
Speaker 2: been stuffing your face all day, You've got a long

1643
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:49,599
Speaker 2: night in front of you with an eight twenty game.

1644
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:52,439
Speaker 2: I would imagine there are folks listening to me right

1645
01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:55,839
Speaker 2: now who have drifted asleep, and that's usually an indictment

1646
01:25:55,880 --> 01:25:58,680
Speaker 2: against me. Today, maybe not so much. If you have

1647
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 2: drifted asleep in your drive, that's a problem, So hopefully

1648
01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:04,080
Speaker 2: that's not the case. Nonetheless, there's a lot of ground

1649
01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:06,320
Speaker 2: to cover between now and seven o'clock. We'll go to

1650
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:10,280
Speaker 2: Baltimore coming up in just about fifteen minutes. The storyline

1651
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:13,120
Speaker 2: tonight Joe Burrow is back. One of the storylines the

1652
01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:16,720
Speaker 2: Bengals travel issues. This has been reported Cincinnati sat in

1653
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:18,519
Speaker 2: a plane for like five and a half hours last

1654
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:21,960
Speaker 2: night on the tarmac and CVG and didn't get to

1655
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:25,040
Speaker 2: Baltimore until shortly before midnight, didn't get to their hotel

1656
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:27,360
Speaker 2: until about twelve thirty. How much of that is a

1657
01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:29,479
Speaker 2: factor tonight? I have no idea. I would like to

1658
01:26:29,479 --> 01:26:32,640
Speaker 2: think the answer is none. But Burrow is back, and

1659
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 2: we've talked about how good he was against Baltimore last year. Look,

1660
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:40,920
Speaker 2: we've all looked at different playoffs simulators. Some of us

1661
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:45,240
Speaker 2: use Vegas odds. The bengals chances of making the postseason

1662
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:49,240
Speaker 2: are minuscule, roughly one percent in some models, a little

1663
01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:55,519
Speaker 2: bit less than one percent. But but if they can

1664
01:26:55,560 --> 01:27:00,559
Speaker 2: get a win tonight, they can at least put one

1665
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:06,040
Speaker 2: foot in the conversation about getting to the postseason. Win tonight,

1666
01:27:06,160 --> 01:27:09,959
Speaker 2: and look, nobody is saying this is likely. The Bengals

1667
01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:13,160
Speaker 2: have lost eight out of nine games. Their defense all

1668
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:16,760
Speaker 2: season long has been atrocious. I have no idea. I

1669
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:19,160
Speaker 2: have a decent idea what to expect from Joe Burrow,

1670
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:21,200
Speaker 2: but he's a little bit of a wildcard because of

1671
01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:24,160
Speaker 2: the fact that he hasn't played since Week two. A

1672
01:27:24,240 --> 01:27:27,920
Speaker 2: team that has lost eight out of nine games is

1673
01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:32,160
Speaker 2: gonna have to win out win their last six, which

1674
01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:38,800
Speaker 2: includes Baltimore twice and Buffalo on the road. That said,

1675
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:42,559
Speaker 2: that said, and I know you're shaking your head. Win

1676
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:47,360
Speaker 2: tonight two games behind a five hundred Baltimore team, and

1677
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:49,960
Speaker 2: there's at least a decent chance that Pittsburgh, which has

1678
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:53,839
Speaker 2: lost four out of six, is gonna lose to Buffalo

1679
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:56,960
Speaker 2: this weekend. So your two teams in first place in

1680
01:27:57,000 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 2: the AFC North will be five hundred teams, neither looking

1681
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:01,920
Speaker 2: like they're capable of running away with it. Meanwhile, if

1682
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:04,400
Speaker 2: the Bengals win tonight, that's a three to one division record.

1683
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:08,360
Speaker 2: They'll have a head to head win against Baltimore. You

1684
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:10,280
Speaker 2: know this is we say it all the time. It's

1685
01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:14,400
Speaker 2: about surviving and advancing. Just get me the next week

1686
01:28:15,240 --> 01:28:17,439
Speaker 2: where we can start to look at the Ravens and

1687
01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:20,320
Speaker 2: Steelers schedules. Heck, we could do it now. Let's just

1688
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:23,559
Speaker 2: look at Baltimore real quick. Okay, So Ravens right now

1689
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:26,719
Speaker 2: sit there at six and five, they've won five straight games.

1690
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:30,280
Speaker 2: If the Bengals can beat them tonight, the Ravens still

1691
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 2: have to play the Steelers twice. They've got a game

1692
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:37,120
Speaker 2: against New England, who's won nine straight. They have a Packers,

1693
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:40,640
Speaker 2: they have a game against the Packers, one more against Cincinnati.

1694
01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:45,360
Speaker 2: They're not running the table. They're not running the table.

1695
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:47,720
Speaker 2: Now that the question would then become do they get

1696
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:52,160
Speaker 2: to ten wins? If they lose tonight, they would have

1697
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:54,200
Speaker 2: to win four out of five to get to ten wins.

1698
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:57,599
Speaker 2: In the absence of that, they're sitting there at nine

1699
01:28:57,680 --> 01:29:00,840
Speaker 2: or fewer. We really need the Ravens and st to split.

1700
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:05,240
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh has Buffalo this weekend, the two games with Baltimore,

1701
01:29:05,439 --> 01:29:08,240
Speaker 2: they have a game against Detroit, and they have games

1702
01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 2: against Miami and Cleveland. The Bengals have six remaining games.

1703
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:14,840
Speaker 2: I believe they'll be favored in at least three of them.

1704
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:18,599
Speaker 2: And we'll see about that Baltimore game here on December

1705
01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:21,640
Speaker 2: the fourteenth. But you win tonight three and one in

1706
01:29:21,680 --> 01:29:26,880
Speaker 2: the division game in hand against Baltimore. If you lose tonight,

1707
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:32,519
Speaker 2: you're three and nine, and to kind of paraphraser quote

1708
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:36,000
Speaker 2: Dan Horde, it's coffin nails. We start talking about next year.

1709
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:39,120
Speaker 2: So if you lose in your three and nine, it's

1710
01:29:39,160 --> 01:29:41,320
Speaker 2: four out with five to go. Plus I have a

1711
01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:46,080
Speaker 2: head to head loss against Baltimore like ballgame win tonight.

1712
01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:52,640
Speaker 2: Not that it's likely, not that it's exceptionally plausible, but

1713
01:29:52,720 --> 01:29:55,519
Speaker 2: it would be at least a little bit plausible. Let's

1714
01:29:55,560 --> 01:29:57,400
Speaker 2: take a look at who's hot in the NFL. It

1715
01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:01,120
Speaker 2: is brought to you by Plumptight Fast Response Time, no

1716
01:30:01,360 --> 01:30:04,240
Speaker 2: service fees. The hottest team in the NFL is when

1717
01:30:04,280 --> 01:30:07,599
Speaker 2: we saw last week the New England Patriots. New England

1718
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:10,760
Speaker 2: did not come out of that game unscathed. They are

1719
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:14,000
Speaker 2: suddenly dealing with a lot of different injury issues, but

1720
01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:17,160
Speaker 2: they've won nine straight games. They're undefeated on the road.

1721
01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:18,760
Speaker 2: They have a two and a half game lead over

1722
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:21,040
Speaker 2: the Buffalo Bills in the AFC East. I think the

1723
01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:24,839
Speaker 2: most interesting franchise in the sport, though, is the La Rams,

1724
01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:28,400
Speaker 2: who have won six straight. They're nine and two. They

1725
01:30:28,439 --> 01:30:31,480
Speaker 2: won that show down with the Seahawks. The NFC West.

1726
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:34,800
Speaker 2: La is nine and two, a game lead over Seattle.

1727
01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:37,800
Speaker 2: San Francisco is sitting there at eight and four. Kyle

1728
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:41,000
Speaker 2: Shanahan has worked miracles this year with all the injuries.

1729
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:44,439
Speaker 2: But the Rams have I think the most balanced team

1730
01:30:44,479 --> 01:30:47,920
Speaker 2: in the NFL, no real deficiencies. And I'm not the

1731
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:51,280
Speaker 2: first person to talk about this, but this is worth mentioning.

1732
01:30:51,320 --> 01:30:53,559
Speaker 2: So the Bengals lose to the La Rams in the

1733
01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:57,840
Speaker 2: Super Bowl after the twenty twenty one season, right and

1734
01:30:57,960 --> 01:31:01,680
Speaker 2: remember how they built that team. They acquire Matthew Stafford

1735
01:31:02,479 --> 01:31:06,360
Speaker 2: f them picks. They just mortgage their future, trade away

1736
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:08,960
Speaker 2: all their picks for players who can help them right now.

1737
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:11,160
Speaker 2: And I remember the conversation. It was like, Man, if

1738
01:31:11,160 --> 01:31:14,160
Speaker 2: this doesn't work, holy crap. Not only will they have

1739
01:31:14,200 --> 01:31:15,880
Speaker 2: not won a title, but they're gonna be bad for

1740
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:18,920
Speaker 2: a while. Well guess what they were bad for a year?

1741
01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:21,639
Speaker 2: They went five and twelve the year after the Bengals

1742
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:23,160
Speaker 2: lost to the Rams in the Super Bowl. Since then,

1743
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:26,120
Speaker 2: they have made the postseason every year. Right now, should

1744
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:31,360
Speaker 2: be considered favorites in the NFC. It's remarkable. It's remarkable

1745
01:31:31,360 --> 01:31:34,599
Speaker 2: what happens when you have a creative GM, an elite

1746
01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:38,519
Speaker 2: head coach. Matthew Stafford's in the MVP conversation this year,

1747
01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:40,880
Speaker 2: we talk a lot about, well, the Bengals need to

1748
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:43,400
Speaker 2: accumulate draft choices, and we've done that this year. We've

1749
01:31:43,439 --> 01:31:47,080
Speaker 2: talked about that with regards to t Higgins today, Pukin

1750
01:31:47,120 --> 01:31:49,559
Speaker 2: Nakua was a fifth round pick, might be the best

1751
01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:53,160
Speaker 2: receiver in the NFL. Maybe it's not so much how

1752
01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:56,880
Speaker 2: many picks you have, it's what you do with them.

1753
01:31:57,120 --> 01:31:59,640
Speaker 2: So the Rams haven't had a lot of picks. The

1754
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:03,680
Speaker 2: ones they have had, they have used, and they've used successfully.

1755
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:06,679
Speaker 2: The Rams are an interesting story, by the way. They're

1756
01:32:06,720 --> 01:32:09,720
Speaker 2: that block kick against the Eagles away from being ten

1757
01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:13,080
Speaker 2: and one this season. Matthew Stafford's an interesting story. Matthew

1758
01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:17,360
Speaker 2: Stafford's an interesting case for the Hall of Fame because

1759
01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:19,519
Speaker 2: at no point during his time would you say he's

1760
01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:21,640
Speaker 2: like the best quarterback in the NFL or one of

1761
01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:24,240
Speaker 2: the best two quarterbacks in the NFL. But he's got

1762
01:32:24,240 --> 01:32:27,840
Speaker 2: a ring, he's played forever, I think, beloved by fans

1763
01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:30,519
Speaker 2: of two different franchises, and he's got a damn good

1764
01:32:30,600 --> 01:32:33,320
Speaker 2: chance for a second one. We will see. Rams are

1765
01:32:33,320 --> 01:32:38,320
Speaker 2: red hot right now with the f them picks strategy

1766
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:41,479
Speaker 2: paying off, paying off in the short term and paying

1767
01:32:41,479 --> 01:32:43,400
Speaker 2: off in the long term. Rams are going to be

1768
01:32:43,439 --> 01:32:46,960
Speaker 2: in the playoffs for a third consecutive year. Meanwhile, we

1769
01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:50,439
Speaker 2: are getting set for the Bengals and the Baltimore Ravens.

1770
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:53,719
Speaker 2: And by the way, like the Duke Tobin conversation which

1771
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:56,800
Speaker 2: we have had for weeks and will have in the

1772
01:32:56,920 --> 01:33:01,680
Speaker 2: ensuing weeks, it's it's not about we talk about like

1773
01:33:01,800 --> 01:33:05,720
Speaker 2: firing people, letting coaches go, letting gms go, and I

1774
01:33:05,720 --> 01:33:08,320
Speaker 2: think sometimes it gets framed as somebody's going to take

1775
01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:11,760
Speaker 2: the fall. We gotta blame somebody. It's not that. Do

1776
01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:15,759
Speaker 2: you trust Duke Tobin? The Bengals undertaking with their defense

1777
01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:19,280
Speaker 2: this offseason is going to be massive. It should have

1778
01:33:19,320 --> 01:33:23,320
Speaker 2: been massive last year. It's a simple question, do you

1779
01:33:23,320 --> 01:33:27,240
Speaker 2: trust Duke what they've done to build the defense. They've

1780
01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:29,599
Speaker 2: had to use the draft. That's not going to change

1781
01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:32,880
Speaker 2: what they did to fix the defense after the twenty

1782
01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:36,800
Speaker 2: nineteen season, when they overpaid for DJ Reader, by the way,

1783
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:38,960
Speaker 2: they had to, and it worked out. When they paid

1784
01:33:38,960 --> 01:33:40,760
Speaker 2: a lot of money to Trey Hendrickson, when they signed

1785
01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:43,840
Speaker 2: Shoudobie Wuzia, when they paid Mike Hilton and Von Bell,

1786
01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:47,200
Speaker 2: they threw money at the defense because they didn't have

1787
01:33:47,240 --> 01:33:49,960
Speaker 2: any good players and their quarterback was about to be

1788
01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:53,200
Speaker 2: on a rookie contract. That way of building a defense

1789
01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:55,559
Speaker 2: is not going to be how they build the defense

1790
01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:58,639
Speaker 2: moving forward. The way they build the defense moving forward

1791
01:33:58,720 --> 01:34:00,720
Speaker 2: is going to have to be how they've built this

1792
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:06,719
Speaker 2: year's defense via the draft and some not that expensive

1793
01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:09,560
Speaker 2: free agent signings. Do you trust Duke Tobin to be

1794
01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:11,160
Speaker 2: able to do that when he has failed so far?

1795
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:14,439
Speaker 2: I don't know how the answer is yes. We're gonna

1796
01:34:14,439 --> 01:34:16,840
Speaker 2: head to Baltimore talk about the Ravens and why they've

1797
01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:19,960
Speaker 2: turned their season around after starting one to five. That

1798
01:34:20,160 --> 01:34:24,040
Speaker 2: is coming up next. This is the RNL Carriers pregame

1799
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:27,439
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