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Speaker 1: Hey, twenty seven to fifty five kr C DE talk station.

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Speaker 1: Happy Friday. Every Friday at this time we get to

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Speaker 1: hear from Jack Winsor, and I recommend to check out

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Speaker 1: his website, The Ohio Pressnetwork dot com. Doing a great

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Speaker 1: job reporting on matters going on in Ohio and always

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Speaker 1: interesting and insightful reporting. It is Jack Winsor, Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to the Morning Show. It's always great hearing from you, Brian.

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Speaker 2: It's an honor to be here. Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: Good to see you in Joe this morning.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say hearing from you, but I also

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Speaker 1: get the benefit of seeing you. We get the zoom link,

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Speaker 1: which it makes things a lot easier. You're not in studio,

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Speaker 1: but you're the next closest thing to being in studio,

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Speaker 1: all right right there at the Ohio Press Network dot com.

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Speaker 1: You got the report here. It's a couple of days old,

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Speaker 1: but the poll that you reported on showing it's a

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Speaker 1: neck and neck race for governor. In other words, vive

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Speaker 1: Ramaswami and Amy Acton there's no space between him in polling.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, I find that really really hard to believe.

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Speaker 1: And I've got some theories on that, but Amy lockdown acting.

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Speaker 1: I mean, do people have that short of memory?

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Speaker 2: You know, it is quite a pickle find ourselves in. Look,

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Speaker 2: we'll talk about how this will probably shift as we're

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Speaker 2: seven months out, as we get closer to election day.

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Speaker 2: But the lead is within the margin of error. It's

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Speaker 2: about forty six to forty five. And I think what's

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Speaker 2: really important, Brian, when you dive into the cross tabs

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Speaker 2: and see that she actually curries favor obviously with Democrats,

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Speaker 2: but not as much with Democrats as Vivek does with Republicans,

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Speaker 2: And she curries more favor with Independence, and independence in

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Speaker 2: a close election will decide the election. But what really

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Speaker 2: strengthens her position currently is that more people trust her

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Speaker 2: to bring down health care costs, and they trust her

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Speaker 2: with health care. But when you get to the matters

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Speaker 2: that I think are going to drive the election, such

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Speaker 2: as the economy, the vaik Ramaswami has about a six

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Speaker 2: More people trust him with the economy here in the

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Speaker 2: Buckeye State than acting, and they trust him more with

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Speaker 2: respect to the border and immigration.

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Speaker 1: Well, upon what do people conclude that Amy acting is

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Speaker 1: better on healthcare. I mean, healthcare is probably more appropriately

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Speaker 1: looked at as a federal problem, an entire country level problem.

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Speaker 1: And what the hell can Amy Actin do to bring

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Speaker 1: down the cost of healthcare in the state of Ohio

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Speaker 1: by itself? And what specific credibility does she have or

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Speaker 1: theories or platform proposals does she have to bring that

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Speaker 1: in their head because it's doctor Amy Actin.

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Speaker 2: I think that's it. The matter that's dumb. Yeah, it

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Speaker 2: is dumb. Let's wear a lab coat, Let's put a

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Speaker 1: Not gonna Fauci. Anybody remember doctor Fauci? Right, Yeah he delivered,

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Speaker 2: Masks and get your boost a shot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. By the way, I just pulled that whole cloth

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Speaker 2: Uh uh. So you know, Amy's gonna talk a lot

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Speaker 2: about reducing health care costs for families and in education,

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Speaker 2: economy and jobs and anti corruption. I just for me,

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Speaker 2: I think as we get closer to the election, people

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Speaker 2: are going to remember Brian. I mean a couple of

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Speaker 2: Remember she came out with the wrong curve altogether, that

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Speaker 2: And I think the other thing that really pissed people

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Speaker 2: And frankly, I think she really tried to mitigate things

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Speaker 2: the people who didn't believe, but Amy Acting believed were right.

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Speaker 2: So I think people will remember that as we get

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be the vast majority of my listening audience.

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Speaker 1: So there you have it. I don't think they're going

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Speaker 1: and is she the one that came up with you

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Speaker 2: Yes, because COVID comes out after ten. It's like a

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Speaker 2: bad guy just comes out after ten. No, but only if.

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Speaker 1: You're drinking jack, but only if you're drinking.

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Speaker 2: Only if you're drinking. And I'm a little bit on

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Speaker 2: the shorter side. My argument used to be, and people

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Speaker 2: I don't have to wear a mask, because me standing

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Speaker 1: I'd like to think so. And of course, once the

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Speaker 1: reminding everyone of that who have short memories, and of

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Speaker 1: She's going to lay hands or something. And finally you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm going to go back and I'm going

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Speaker 2: We cannot forget Ohio was among the first states to

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Speaker 2: never ever forget about that. So that's number one and

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Speaker 2: number two what Amy Acting believes in which is exactly

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Speaker 2: what teacher unions believe in. They want students locked into

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Speaker 2: Some students have particular supports that they need that certain

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Speaker 1: Listen, We've got since any classical academy here, and they

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Speaker 1: can't make me worship any particular religion, But is that

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Speaker 1: a real factor, Jack Windsor from what you've been hearing.

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Speaker 2: Republicans are master marksman in the circular fire squad. I'll

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Speaker 2: keep it at that. And in a primary election, you're

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Speaker 2: to say certain people like the Joe Blistone audience, people

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Speaker 2: a farmer. Listen. I've had Casey on my show twice.

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Speaker 2: I've given him a fair opportunity. I think that he

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Speaker 2: And outside of that, I've not seen him form a

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Speaker 2: very cohesive, strong foundation upon which he could run and

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Speaker 1: Fair enough, we'll pause, bring Jack Windsor back to talk

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Speaker 1: about House Bill three forty seven. We'll also be talking

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Speaker 1: a little bit later about club Is trying to act

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Speaker 1: KERCD talk station. You can find Jack Winsor online if

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Speaker 1: you o high pressnetwork dot com reporting there, hell says

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Speaker 1: the Windsor Report, you can find the Windsor Report. He's

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Speaker 1: the host of that on Zoom. And he also is

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Speaker 1: following something we have to learn about Ohio House Bill

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Speaker 1: three forty seven. Jack, where is that?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 1: First off, what is this about? And where is it

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Speaker 1: Now, Okay, the twenty four hour waiting period is to

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Speaker 2: It is. And I'm glad you're going down this road

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Speaker 1: Good point in for whatever reason, the a gender transition surgery.

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Speaker 1: Windsor after these brief words, fifty five KRC Thanks to you.

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Speaker 1: A fifty if you I have KRCD talk station. Very

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Speaker 1: Happy Friday, first day of spring. I'm enjoying my conversation

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Speaker 1: as I always do every Friday for a few segments

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Speaker 1: with Jack Windsor, editor in chief the Oio Press Network

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Speaker 1: out on zoom for the Windsor report keeping tabs on

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Speaker 1: what's going on in the state of Ohio, including what

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Speaker 1: is the side hustle tax, Jack Windsor, did you call

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Speaker 2: I think they're saying it out loud. I actually had

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Speaker 2: and my producer said, is this the side hustle tax?

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Speaker 2: So I think that's what they're calling it, rightfully. So

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Speaker 2: would do is it would add a sales and lodging

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Speaker 2: But my initial heartburn on it, Brian was who's going

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Speaker 1: Unpack them, I do because I'm glad you I might.

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Speaker 1: The first thing I wrote downhen you mentioned it, I said,

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Speaker 1: interference with property rights. Now, I am not a huge

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Speaker 2: But where are we That was my hope, that was

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Speaker 1: Is maybe that's the intended goal. They want to make

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Speaker 2: And the people who are gonna lose. The people who

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Speaker 1: Winsor God bless you. The how press Networks where you

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Speaker 1: find them online, a high Pressnetwork dot com and again

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Speaker 1: on Zoom the Windsor Report. Jack, I'm looking forward to

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Speaker 1: Friday already.

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Speaker 2: Next week