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Speaker 2: Pss, you're the savagery starts at three.

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Speaker 1: Change this pace.

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Speaker 3: Let's see where about the enjoy part?

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Speaker 2: Be happy, Enjoy and k f a N dot com.

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Speaker 2: Two minutes fifteen seconds past three Central daylight time. Welcome back.

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Speaker 2: It is a Thursday edition of the Bumper to Bumpet program.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be a truncated show today. Guardie tells me

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Speaker 2: you were out about five forty five. This evening Russell

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Speaker 2: Radio is scheduled for five oh two from the highly celebrated,

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Speaker 2: if occasionally unsanitary Falling Up Studios. You didn't tell me

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Speaker 2: that last time was a bit of a meltdown. I

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Speaker 2: didn't hear about that until it sounded like earlier this

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Speaker 2: it sounded like Russell was on a speaker. Yeah, the

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Speaker 2: whole thing was bizarre to me. And then Falness got

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Speaker 2: his feelings hurt. Yeah they're still hurt.

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Speaker 3: Well, because it made no sense. It's like, what's the

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Speaker 2: Being in a studio if it was sounded better being

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Speaker 2: on the phone. Some button hadn't been pushed. Yeah, it

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Speaker 2: needed to be pushed. I don't know if it was

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Speaker 3: It was awful. I mean, I I got to.

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Speaker 2: Deal with the masses texting me and going why why

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Speaker 2: are you continuing this interview? I can't even understand what

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Speaker 2: he's saying today. We hope it'll be better the multiple

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Speaker 2: group texts between me, Russo and Falness. I just got

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Speaker 2: And then hal they's getting thrown under the bus. Why

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Speaker 2: didn't I didn't mention Halvey. No, I didn't blame Falness.

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Speaker 2: Oh Fondness is blaming Halvy. No one's taking accountability. You

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Speaker 2: know how Kevin O'Connell and PJ. Fleck Boll said all

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Speaker 2: of this falls on me. They're the opposite of head

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Speaker 2: football coaches. Here, you're saying that all the principles were

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Speaker 2: very intentional about not blaming themselves, very intentional.

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Speaker 3: Are you getting more Well, I'm just kind of revealing.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, the best part my whole And again I

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Speaker 2: was completely in the dark. I said, what a crew

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Speaker 3: You know, the producer of the show that's in charge

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Speaker 3: of setting all that stuff up. Nobody let me know that.

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Speaker 2: Hey, by the way, next time let's make sure right,

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Speaker 2: it's not completely pear shaped. Blake Mare must have been embarrassed.

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Speaker 2: How they must have been embarrassed. Somebody's clearly I thought

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Speaker 2: it's all taken care. I have no idea or a

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Speaker 2: How whatever it was, we hold our breath, it goes through.

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Speaker 2: So today Mike Conley's going to join us by phone

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Speaker 2: at four point thirty. We expect Sean Salisbury at the

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Speaker 2: bottom of this hour as well. I on the pre

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Speaker 2: show set list, I did put on doctor, put in doctor,

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Speaker 2: do his inbox?

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Speaker 3: TBA?

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Speaker 2: Do we do like a mini version? I can do

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Speaker 2: what I hate to lose it completely. We can do

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Speaker 2: it at four h two. Why don't we do if

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Speaker 2: we even if it's a mini at four h two,

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Speaker 2: let's do it. So we've got some entries and there's

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Speaker 2: more and still not opt to get in. Jg at

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Speaker 2: KFA dot com. Jg at kfan dot com. Congratulations, I

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Speaker 2: guess are in order. We now know it's official right

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Speaker 2: that Twins have a new manager. What's his name?

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Speaker 2: We know him a little bit, right, We do for

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Speaker 2: for more than a minute, and he's going to join

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Speaker 2: you in studio next Wednesday, by the way, is that true?

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Speaker 2: That's confirmed.

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Speaker 2: The Ball guys are disappointed because they say, and I

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Speaker 3: Set of contrarian positions.

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Speaker 2: That's of course, why more than anything, I mean, at

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Speaker 2: I am saying, this feels too much like you just

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Speaker 2: in that time the Minnesota Twins have won precisely how

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Speaker 2: even if it hurts people's feelings. One playoff series victory

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Speaker 3: Right, So we have one.

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Speaker 2: Successful playoff series winning it not just a game, but

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Speaker 2: by the way, that was winning all of one round.

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Speaker 2: Now again, that meant a little more than because there

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Speaker 2: I have a lot one successful series, one in twenty

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Speaker 2: won a single playoff series since twenty fifteen, right, ten years.

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Speaker 3: It's sorry fair.

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Speaker 2: In fact, let's broaden that out too. Wild postseason history.

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Speaker 2: I already had it called up. Let's go back to it.

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Speaker 2: Let's get to it. There's a really good website that

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Speaker 2: We actually won two rounds in seven games. It was epic,

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Speaker 3: Which always happens. That's the other thing we got to remember.

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Speaker 2: won one round. That was fourteen, lost conference semifinals, won

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you start really putting him together, I mean,

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Speaker 3: Am I forgetting? I think that's twelve years that it goes.

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Speaker 2: So now the Wolves, of course, you could say now

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Speaker 2: I'm grading on simply how many runs have you made?

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Speaker 2: The Wild have had one in their history. The Wolves

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Speaker 3: Switch, everybody's got to swim.

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Speaker 2: On that last inbounds play because he's now regretting that

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Speaker 3: So you got it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what you have to do. But that's a

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Speaker 2: that's a great missed opportunity. That's over now we're past that.

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Speaker 2: Maybe someday we'll have more divisions. But I and I'm

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Speaker 3: As pretty close to us.

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Speaker 2: But you do put all these together and you say

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Speaker 2: the miracle of Kafans growth to what it's become is

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Speaker 2: exactly that we haven't had any help.

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Speaker 3: From the team. How do we have any sports fans

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Speaker 3: I've been there.

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Speaker 2: Talk radio is going to be lucrative and profitable and

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Speaker 2: successful in Boston. All they do historically for at least

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Speaker 2: a long stretch was win titles in every sport.

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Speaker 3: They ruined vacation facture.

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Speaker 2: Everything Boston ruined a vacation for me because I was

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Speaker 2: listening to one of the either the Hobb or EI,

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Speaker 3: That's hard to do.

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Speaker 3: Fight means.

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Speaker 2: Twenty twenty four playoffs, one zero rounds. Right, we lost

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Speaker 3: Does that make sense? Yeah? I said grand Thursday, October thirtieth, Grand,

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Speaker 2: Suck because I haven't been sharing hard enough. It's one

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Speaker 3: We enjoy mediocrity.

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Speaker 2: We like whining about being flying flyover country, but we

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Speaker 2: We are Minnesotans, so mediocrity generally means in the middle, right. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: get his reaction to the Vikings debacle against the Chargers.

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Speaker 2: I think he had picked the Vikings to win that game.

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Speaker 2: I want to ask you a college football question before

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Speaker 2: any connection with the Kurt Signetti Indiana story?

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Speaker 3: Is it real? How is it happening?

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Speaker 2: Of course, that's my alma mater, as you know, as

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's real. Now, Damn.

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Speaker 4: Part of the problem is going to be no matter

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Speaker 1: I don't know him personally.

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Speaker 4: I know people who do know him and say that

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Speaker 4: there you have it. I judge great coaches, and there's

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Speaker 4: a lot of factors I'm gonna tell you that you

435
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Speaker 4: don't know that go into it. And I always say

436
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Speaker 4: at the top of the list is buy in. You

437
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 4: don't have to be Nick Saban to get buy in

438
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 4: or Mike Krzyzewski. But the people that come in there

439
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Speaker 4: come in with the thought. I mean, if they're new,

440
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 4: they're they're gonna get buying. With a guy like Signette,

441
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 4: who's been a few places, been assistant family coaching, Tree

442
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 4: gets this opportunity that was supposed to be, well, what

443
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 4: a great upgrade for him, has turned it into a

444
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 4: team that right now looks like he can beat anybody

445
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Speaker 4: in the country.

446
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Speaker 1: How real it is?

447
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Speaker 4: Dan? You?

448
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 1: You and I watch it?

449
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 4: I mean I see it with my with the naked

450
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 4: eye and then go back and watch some of those

451
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 4: games and saying, how are they getting it done? But

452
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,400
Speaker 4: buying matters to me, And I don't care what level

453
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 4: it's at, high school, college, pop Warner, NFL, NBA doesn't

454
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 4: matter because I've seen guys that have perceived great coaches. Well,

455
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 4: let's take Brian Kelly for instance. Brian Kelly, if you're

456
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Speaker 4: going to act ambracive and do the things he does, you.

457
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Speaker 1: Damn will better wine. So you better, you better win

458
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 1: a lot. You can't alienate because when you alienate and

459
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 1: it's three and.

460
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,360
Speaker 4: Four and five people, you're not allowing people to come

461
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 4: in and you don't you're not delegating any authority. You're

462
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 4: the one who hired these assistants, let them coach. And

463
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 4: if that's the way you're gonna do, you better win

464
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 4: a lot. And if you don't, the first person to

465
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 4: go is usually you. And I would have moved on

466
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Speaker 4: from him too, because I feel like when you walk

467
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 4: into the building at LSU and Brian Kelly was there,

468
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:54,199
Speaker 4: is you were going to a miserable day as a player,

469
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 4: as a a That's just the way I felt, And

470
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Speaker 4: hearing from some of these things, I think that we

471
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Speaker 4: can I'll.

472
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Speaker 1: Be validate that. With Signetty.

473
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Speaker 4: It feels like no matter where he's gone, he's impacted people.

474
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 4: He's impacted him at lower division school, he walked into Indiana.

475
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 4: You can't just do this in two years and sustain

476
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 4: it for two years and be lucky you're playing. You're

477
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 4: not playing in a you know, in an FCS school.

478
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 4: And there's some good ones. But I do think it's

479
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 4: real Dan. Now, I don't know how long it is.

480
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 4: I mean, does this all of a sudden, Look at

481
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 4: the money they gave him, They sure sell think it's real.

482
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 4: He thinks it's real because he said he loves it

483
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 4: here and he didn't bail.

484
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: Now that's a nice thing when they pay all that

485
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Speaker 1: guaranteed money.

486
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Speaker 4: But from my vantage point, and I've not been in

487
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 4: a building, but the people I do talk to that

488
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 4: are closer to him or that situation than I am,

489
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 4: this is not a fraud or fake guy.

490
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Speaker 1: Now. They will go through it. It's the big ten

491
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: look stage going through it.

492
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Speaker 4: They all do. But I think that it's just because

493
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 4: it's Indiana. We're shocked. But the great equalizer is one

494
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,360
Speaker 4: a coach who knows how to get buy in from

495
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 4: the executive assistant, from the person who tapes ankles. And

496
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Speaker 4: I know that sounds cheesy, butful place I've ever been,

497
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 4: they have. When we were winning in Minnesota, right down

498
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 4: to Dennis Ryan, our equipment guy, and Fred Zamberletti right

499
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 4: up to Denny, we had good people everywhere that were

500
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 4: empowered to do their thing.

501
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 1: We just did.

502
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 4: I know, it didn't get a super Bowl, but we

503
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 4: also had pretty damn good players. Sometimes you got to

504
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 4: be a little lucky, but so I do. And I

505
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 4: watched that program closely because of the impact he's making,

506
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 4: and I'm thinking, could he do this or what would

507
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 4: happen if he's doing this in Indiana? If you got

508
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 4: LSU's football players, right, and you know one of those

509
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 4: you're thinking, well damn, But you know what, Dan really

510
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 4: doesn't matter because eventually.

511
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Speaker 1: Good coaches know how to take three stars and develop them.

512
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 4: You've seen the opposite and where where guys come in

513
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 4: and it was happening after you know, I love Mac Brown,

514
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 4: Max's a friend everything.

515
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: When he was at Texas, they were.

516
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 4: Going through, they were winning, and then all of a

517
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 4: sudden they went through that. They were getting five star

518
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 4: recruits that were leaving three star players and it just

519
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 4: got to the point where it was stale and they

520
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 4: were not developing them. It was just say get there

521
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 4: and they got no better with me. And that happens

522
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 4: both ways. Guys do get better. And I think it's

523
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 4: a unique individual and so I judge coaches out a lot.

524
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 4: But the one thing is when you walk into the building,

525
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 4: what does is their buy in immediately because not just

526
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 4: talking about it, but the way you're teaching it and

527
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 4: the way you're approaching your day to day business.

528
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Speaker 1: I do think it's real.

529
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 3: Now.

530
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 4: Obviously it's a blue blood basketball program more long way

531
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 4: away from that, but they're opening eyes because they're beating

532
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 4: you with better technique, better sound execution. And I think

533
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 4: the right guard in Indiana thinks that he's better than

534
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 4: the right guard.

535
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: At Alabama, and I think that's important. That's part of

536
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: the buy and that's great leadership, great head coaches. Dan,

537
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: I guess, let me just buy it.

538
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 4: I don't mean to take so long with this, for

539
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 4: I think about it all the time and reading these

540
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 4: leadership books. Is when you hire a head coach, I'm

541
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 4: not hiring the x's and o's head coach. I'm hiring

542
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 4: a great leader first, x's and o second. That's why

543
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 4: I got a coordinator, and coordinator's got assistant coaches because

544
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 4: they're the ones handling the x's and o's for the

545
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 4: most part on coach most of the day, every day

546
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 4: twenty four to seven. Denny knew x's and o's because

547
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 4: he coached Jerry Rice and he knew it. But when

548
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 4: he got there, Brian Billock and Tony Dungee and that

549
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 4: group was handling the day to day exis and o's

550
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 4: and that's why it's supposed to be and Denny's leadership

551
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 4: and how to bring people together and know when to

552
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 4: make a fourth down call. Signetti has the x's and

553
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 4: O's in the passion. But what he's doing is he's

554
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 4: hired good assistants.

555
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: That's why when.

556
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 4: Everybody says, well, what's the head coach, my first look

557
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 4: is not who they got in a recruiting class.

558
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: It's who they hires their assistant coaches.

559
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 4: I want to know because those are the ones who

560
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 4: have the day to day contact. If I have a

561
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 4: great X's and O's head coach that can't lead, he

562
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 4: will be fired within three or four years. I can

563
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 4: guarantee it. Give me the opposite, he'll keep a job

564
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 4: because he understands how to hire great players and great

565
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 4: hire great coaches, and go recruit great players.

566
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 2: What happened to the Minnesota Vikings a week ago tonight

567
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:58,959
Speaker 2: in Inglewood, California.

568
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 4: I thought it was an embarrassing performance offensively, I did,

569
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 4: And I know the Chargers are pretty good, but they

570
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 4: were going in Dan as you and I talked about,

571
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 4: reel in a little bit, right, I mean, they weren't

572
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 4: playing their best football.

573
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: You know, they were physically man handled.

574
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 4: Now, I looked at the defensive numbers after that game,

575
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 4: and I go back and the defense is still a

576
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 4: top ten against the round, top ten in the league

577
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 4: with points. I mean they're still doing their job and

578
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 4: against they for the most part. Now, when you feel

579
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 4: that much you're going to give up big plays, you're

580
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 4: gonna make mistakes.

581
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: But I thought they were man handled. They got their quarterback.

582
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 4: If you're a protection person, a coach that's putting protections in,

583
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,239
Speaker 4: if you're on that offensive line tied in running back

584
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 4: people they're protecting.

585
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: And whether you hold the ball or not a lot

586
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: or not, you.

587
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 4: Should have come out of that game thinking and running

588
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 4: it eleven times. I know they only had the ball

589
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 4: what twenty minutes they I mean doubled in time of possession.

590
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 4: They got down by seventeen or eighteen whatever it was

591
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 4: before half and watching the game, but they got curb

592
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 4: stomped in every facet of the game.

593
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: The quarterback got his brains beat in and kept trying

594
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: to compete. The running game.

595
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 4: Got going, so there was no commitment to the run game,

596
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 4: even when you're down some to try and control it.

597
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 4: They let the Chargers do whatever they wanted throughout the

598
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 4: entire game, controlled every part of it.

599
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: I thought it was.

600
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 4: A fairly humiliating performance by the coaching staff, by the

601
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 4: play calling, and you put Brian Flores's defense in a

602
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 4: buy what are you going to do? And by the

603
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 4: people who protect the quarterback and move the line of scrimmage.

604
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 4: That didn't look like a playoff team, and right now

605
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 4: they're not playing like it. That looked like a team

606
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 4: scrambling around to wonder who they're going to draft next day.

607
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 4: And they were not good offensively. I know things will

608
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 4: change with the quarterback change and Carson being out, but

609
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 4: now you're going back to a rookie who's in essence,

610
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 4: played about two.

611
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: Games in his career. Two games you're going.

612
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 3: To Yeah, yep, that's very true.

613
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 2: I can't I can't disagree with any of it that

614
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 2: you've laid out. I do want to get your view

615
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 2: on the bait that's broken out here regarding the decision

616
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 2: to continue to play Wins. I have a hunch you

617
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 2: and I might disagree on this one, but I don't know.

618
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,959
Speaker 2: I've not heard you on this. I don't think I

619
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 2: felt that when the lead gets to twenty four fairly

620
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 2: early in the fourth quarter, and with a QB who

621
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 2: literally looks like he's on fire in pain every time

622
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 2: he gets touched, that no matter how much he wanted

623
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 2: to continue to play, and he's not gonna be a

624
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 2: guy who asks out. I think if you're the head coach,

625
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 2: you can save a player from himself. And I thought

626
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 2: if any situation called for that, even though I know

627
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 2: this isn't a brain injury, it's a shoulder injury, and

628
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 2: allegedly it couldn't get worse that that was the occasion

629
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 2: for Koc to say enough, we're putting in the kid.

630
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 2: We're gonna have him hand off a bunch, We're gonna

631
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,479
Speaker 2: throw a lot of checkdown passes, and we're gonna get

632
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 2: out of die. Where are you on that whole issue

633
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 2: on Wentz continuing to play deep into the fourth I

634
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 2: think until that final possession.

635
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 4: Where you and I said what we're doing here, I

636
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 4: agree with you one hundred percent. It was awful. I

637
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 4: thought it was irresponsible, and I'm one of those guys

638
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 4: who think the rules and you know, I've always believed

639
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 4: you got to play hurt.

640
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: You may be able to play injured, you got to

641
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: play hurt. This was not hurt.

642
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 4: He's injured, and I don't mean you're responsible that you're

643
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 4: putting his life in danger. I'm going to talking about

644
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 4: some dramatic movie Number one is he wasn't helping the

645
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 4: team at that point, great point did he was not

646
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 4: helping the team. That's my number one part. It's not

647
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 4: the Carson Wentz or to his ego, or to the

648
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 4: coach's ego, or to the front office or what you're paying.

649
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: And that's not the responsibility.

650
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 4: The responsibility is one to win and to my teammates

651
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 4: and this organization. Carson Wentz at that point, his game

652
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 4: was done. There wasn't much left in the tank injury wise,

653
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 4: he was He was a frustrated, which I get.

654
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: I don't have a.

655
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 4: Problem with him showing emotions right matter of fact, with

656
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 4: him that couldarticular human I needed to see it, yes, frankly,

657
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 4: and I know my guy Herbstreet disagree. Got a control

658
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 4: your most one hundred and eighty degrees disagree without one

659
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 4: because at that point, the question, as I told you

660
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,399
Speaker 4: before that I heard from an inside or at other

661
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 4: places a guy who coached him.

662
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: Was does he love it anymore?

663
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 2: Yep?

664
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 4: I needed to see that for me, So no problem

665
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 4: with that at all. Helmet Slam and Pistolf. Matter of fact,

666
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 4: teammates don't have a problem with that either. If the

667
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 4: guy would smiling.

668
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: I had a big.

669
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 4: Problem with it, but they got to a point where

670
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 4: the game was out of reach considering the optics in

671
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,720
Speaker 4: the way they were getting dominated on their offense. Okay,

672
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 4: they were getting shoved around, So I thought it was

673
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 4: irresponsible to the football team. Not irresponsible to Carson Wentz

674
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 4: dying from the shoulder, but he was giving you no

675
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 4: chance to win at that point in that particular game.

676
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: That's one two from the quarterback side of me, and.

677
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 4: It's like a picture that comes out like Max Schu's

678
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 4: if you're walking out we're fighting, especially a guy like

679
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 4: we this shot all the time you started to get

680
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 4: a chance, like you're not pulling me out of this

681
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 4: game unless you want this fight right here on the

682
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 4: sidelines that that part.

683
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: Of me says, good on you. Wins, but it comes

684
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: the decisions.

685
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 4: Easy at that point in time, you're not sacrificing a game, apparently,

686
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 4: according to the guy behind him, could have I mean,

687
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 4: if he has to take snaps right, say get him

688
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,439
Speaker 4: a little work or what have you. At that point

689
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 4: in time, it was irresponsible for the team. He was

690
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 4: not playing well. He was getting his brains beat in

691
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 4: and really couldn't affect you so, and I'll tell you

692
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 4: what bothers me even more about it, then, is that

693
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 4: you're basically telling me that the guy who was probably

694
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 4: playing at what sixty five seventy game maybe at the best,

695
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 4: that you're telling me that gives you the best chance

696
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,439
Speaker 4: to win. Or were you afraid that some other guys

697
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 4: were going to get their brains beat in and you

698
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 4: just let him get me picket for it. I don't know,

699
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 4: And I love Kevin. I don't think he was puttinghim

700
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 4: out there to get him hurt kill that, but I

701
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 4: thought it was irresponsible on the win lass side or

702
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 4: getting got work, even if you were going to hand

703
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,240
Speaker 4: it off the rest of the game and put nobody

704
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 4: in harm's way. I mean, you talk about the whammie

705
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 4: on Wins, and I'm sure Wins battled him and did

706
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,040
Speaker 4: what he had to do because you know what I

707
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 4: plotting for that. But there's also the point of diminishing

708
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 4: returns that you have to you have to take the player.

709
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 4: You have to protect the player from himself. Is like

710
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 4: you said, because most of the players I know, you've

711
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 4: got to drag him off. Now there's some that may

712
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 4: have dragged himself off, but the optics of Wins. Thank

713
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 4: you for competing, but the optics for the team. And

714
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 4: as a quarterback, I'm on Wins's side. From this standpoint.

715
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 4: It's like, dude, if you're telling me at sixty percent,

716
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 4: he's the best we got right now to get us

717
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 4: back into a game, if that's what you were hoping for,

718
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 4: because we all think we can put out the four quarter.

719
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 4: They did nothing in any decision last week to give

720
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 4: themselves a chance to win, and I thought it was

721
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 4: ugly optics, ugly performance, borderline embarrassing from top to bottom.

722
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: On the offensive side of the decisions.

723
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 2: That were made, well, we do agree because I thought

724
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 2: there was a chance. As a guy who doesn't never

725
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 2: want to leave a game, would say, no, man, I

726
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 2: am that's the.

727
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 4: Quarterback right, Yes, as a quarterback, I'm off for and

728
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 4: I to put my arm round said and even as

729
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 4: the coach, I probably said, dude, you want to gut

730
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 4: this out, and at some point in time you say, dude,

731
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:05,959
Speaker 4: I got you.

732
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 3: You can't do this exactly, you just.

733
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: Can't do that. And if we get into an argument

734
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,720
Speaker 1: and a fight, then protected right, no problem.

735
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 4: That's the emotions of football. So from yeah, from our

736
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 4: seat right now. I'm with you from the seat of

737
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 4: the jersey on.

738
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 1: Oh.

739
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, goodness, gracious, I mean we used to

740
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 4: be and I know this isn't a concussion, but back

741
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 4: in the day they give a smelling sauce, you could

742
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 4: fool the concussion. Right. You're just trying to get through

743
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 4: it because you didn't want to be pulled out, so

744
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 4: because you never knew when the next opportunity was coming.

745
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 4: But so I applaud WinCE's courage. I thought it would

746
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 4: have been more courageous for Kevin to say, dude, we'll

747
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 4: just fight right here if you want to or you

748
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 4: want to argue with your ass is sitting right here.

749
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 4: The rest of this game, you've been You've given us

750
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 4: a valiant effort, and you've came in and won some

751
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,760
Speaker 4: games force that we probably at that point.

752
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 1: In time, needed you. Right now.

753
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 4: I got to protect you from yourself. We got to

754
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 4: have it, but not only for the team, but for you.

755
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 4: I love you. But we'll fight afterwards. And if you

756
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 4: want to argue with me right now, let's get after it.

757
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 4: But we're not doing this anymore.

758
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I look, I to me, it's the old because

759
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 2: what Kevin said after the game was the player was

760
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 2: all in. The doctors said this was all just about,

761
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 2: you know, tolerating the pain, and I'm yelling that can

762
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 2: all be true, But you still have a right as

763
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 2: the head coach to say I don't care what the

764
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 2: doctors say. I don't care what the player says. I

765
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 2: may admire it because he's obviously been a good soldier

766
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 2: for them in a tough circumstance.

767
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 3: For sure, I'm the head coach. This is a bad look.

768
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 2: And as you point out, I'm not even sure at

769
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 2: this point he does whatever chance you had to come

770
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 2: back in that game, which was minimal, I'm not sure

771
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 2: he represents the best chance over even a rookie quarterback

772
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 2: in this case. Brozmer So to me, for all those reasons,

773
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 2: I'm still puzzled by the approach they've taken in house

774
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 2: and even publicly with this thing. I'm amost like, well,

775
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 2: what's the big deal here? I don't know what you

776
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 2: guys are worried about. This wasn't a head injury. I

777
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 2: don't think it matters.

778
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 4: So and you know what bothers me too, Dan, is

779
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 4: why I mean, a guy who's had five surgeries and

780
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,280
Speaker 4: a kne replacement. I'm just using me as an example,

781
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 4: But I got buddies then when they're sixty five are

782
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 4: walking with a cane. So I know we only give

783
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 4: attention to head injuries. But the right guards, the right

784
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 4: car who can't get get up?

785
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 3: Right?

786
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 4: Who's sixty buddies I've played with who can't walk. Look

787
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 4: how Bruce Bochie walks down and he's a buddy. Look

788
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 4: how Boach is a manager, walks when he's walking out

789
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 4: to replace a pitcher.

790
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: Boach can bear those hips and yeah, it's like, damn,

791
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: it looks like he's labor.

792
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,919
Speaker 4: Now. Now take the players played fifteen years and can

793
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 4: barely walk, But we only want to worry about head injuries.

794
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 4: That's for another argument. It's like ankle injuries, knee injury,

795
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 4: shoulder injuries. I mean, they are the Achilles.

796
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: They all matter too.

797
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 4: I know the head injury is more dangerous in the

798
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 4: lifespan of PTSD, but the concussion part.

799
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 1: But another thing about this, and you're so right. I'm

800
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: sure the doctors did.

801
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 4: Say can't hurt it worse. I'm sure Carson Wentz didn't

802
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 4: fight this day in God bless him. But I also

803
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 4: know this. Let's just say both of those, and it's right.

804
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 4: As a head coach, are you watching what I'm watching exactly?

805
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 4: The performance was telling you all along, and the injury

806
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 4: or not, it might have been time to go to

807
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 4: the bench, just for everybody, a little spark, not just

808
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 4: on wits, and I.

809
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: Mean the offense.

810
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 4: Maybe the kid that the rookie comes in and gets

811
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 4: a little spark going. We've seen a million times in

812
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 4: sports when somebody comes in with a different perspective. Just

813
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 4: the simple performance offensively alone told you we'll let the

814
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 4: young kid go out and take the beating. Let's see

815
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 4: what he's got for a game. We ain't winning this

816
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 4: thing at that point. You're not quitting, but it almost

817
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 4: felt by leaving him in, you were quitting.

818
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: And even though I know he wasn't.

819
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 4: If you make my point, if you get my point,

820
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 4: it's just to me, it's like it's the game itself

821
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 4: told you, Yes, injury or not, the guy needed to

822
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 4: be on the sidelines and play somebody else because they

823
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 4: were not playing well.

824
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 3: Well.

825
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 2: The pushback I've gotten all week, and I'm getting it

826
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 2: while we're talking from people saying this is real simple.

827
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 2: The vikings at the line of scrimmage, the offensive line

828
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 2: was getting destroyed, and the head coach didn't want to

829
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 2: run the risk of getting another of his quarterbacks injured.

830
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 2: And I'm saying I get that in theory, but I'm

831
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:20,240
Speaker 2: saying esthetically, the look is so bad I think organizationally

832
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 2: that sometimes you can't think that way. You have to say,

833
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 2: he's over here next to me. If to me, anytime

834
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 2: you coach on the basis of well, we said, we're

835
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 2: willing to set further sacrifice this guy who's writhing in

836
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 2: pain every time he goes down like he's been shot.

837
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 2: We're willing to ride that out because at least we'll

838
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 2: know he's the only guy who's gonna be writhing in pain.

839
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 3: I just don't think that's the way you can coach.

840
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Dan, what would have been there that you

841
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 1: put a young guy in.

842
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 4: Okay, you don't want to get another guy hurt, so

843
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 4: let's let him out there and let him just get

844
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 4: his brains beat in. The guy you can't even step

845
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 4: out of trouble is even though it was your shield,

846
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 4: you can't even step out of.

847
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: Trouble at that point in time.

848
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 4: For Carson Wentz, a young guy who's who. I don't

849
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 4: care if one's a better scrambler than the other, at

850
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 4: least a different perspective. You're a little more active, and

851
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 4: you're like, even if you can't get through your reads,

852
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 4: at least you can buy.

853
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: Some time or prepare for it. And if you're.

854
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 4: Hoping, even if you were going to run it and

855
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 4: just do the quick passing game and get out of

856
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 4: the building, it's fine, but you'd still and who knows

857
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 4: what happens if the guy comes in and makes a

858
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 4: few plays and you say, okay, it was a chance

859
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 4: to get some experience for somebody to protect another guy.

860
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 4: I just at some point in time you got the

861
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 4: sandy and eight count that's hit fourteen times, and eventually

862
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 4: you got to rub the gloves together and raise your

863
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 4: hands with mills lane and say enough, it's time. We're

864
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 4: we're in a you know, a tag team. Give me

865
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,479
Speaker 4: the next guy to see if we can get through

866
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 4: this thing. And there was a lot of reasons that

867
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 4: I'm all about the tough guy for I am.

868
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 3: I get it.

869
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, this has nothing to do with being a pillow.

870
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 4: Five zero has everything to do with it. Gave you

871
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 4: no chance for Carson Wentz, but it also gave your

872
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 4: team no chance to win.

873
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: And you can never.

874
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,959
Speaker 4: Make a decision based on well, what if the next

875
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 4: guy gets hurt? Well, if my aunt had stones, she'd

876
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 4: be my uncle. Okay, that's not the way you look.

877
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 4: When you got quarterbacks in the ross, you got to

878
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 4: hope the next guy does it eat. It's a vicious,

879
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 4: violent game, and Carson Wentz well, he took the brenth

880
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 4: of it as well, witnessed by what's going to happen

881
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 4: to him the rest of the season.

882
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 2: The Vikings are taking on, as you know, Detroit in Detroit,

883
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 2: and now the baton has been handed to McCarthy. It's

884
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 2: going to be his team. That's what they intended when

885
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 2: the season began. Obviously it's probably to a certain extent,

886
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 2: as it should be. To that extent, Carson Wentz has

887
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 2: made it easier because he's certainly come back to the

888
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 2: pack in terms of the way he's played. And now

889
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 2: he's getting the surgery, so he's out anyway. So what's

890
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 2: your best advice to just trying to get McCarthy on

891
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 2: the board, especially, as I said, factoring in you're walking

892
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 2: into the meat grinder right of one of the best

893
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 2: teams in the conference, a team that's got some pretty

894
00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 2: good defensive pressure as well. So what do you do? Like,

895
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 2: you know, you can't treat him like he's twelve. It's like,

896
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 2: this is supposed to be your franchise quarterback. But how

897
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 2: do you give him a chance or some success?

898
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: You can't.

899
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,919
Speaker 4: You can't crap can your game plan for one guy?

900
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 4: But you do have to be judicious and how you

901
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 4: approach it. This is one of those games that feels

902
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 4: like to me old school forty nine ers Cowboys, not

903
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 4: the company here, but the way they went a bite

904
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 4: north turn. But I think I've mentioned this before is

905
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 4: do a handful of things a lot of different ways.

906
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 4: Does that make sense? You know you're running like the

907
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,439
Speaker 4: forty twelve passes six runs, change them up with the

908
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 4: window dressing and looks and formations and motions and personnel groupings.

909
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,240
Speaker 4: But it's the same read for the quarterback right drag,

910
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,919
Speaker 4: slant flat, slant curl flat, you know, motion deep over

911
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 4: route with an under route RPO. I can tell you this,

912
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 4: you better change his launch point. You better change his

913
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 4: launch point, and if you run it eleven times, you're

914
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 4: gonna get punted. You are going to get absolutely destroyed.

915
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: One thing.

916
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 4: Their offense can score from the parking lot, and their

917
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 4: defense is not worse than it was last year. Now

918
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,720
Speaker 4: it may very well be better. And Hutchinson gets paid.

919
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 4: They are trying to continue to send a message. And

920
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 4: I know it's Michigan. I mean they're playing as a

921
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 4: team where he played his college ball out and all that.

922
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 4: Find it Danny, and that's all cool until you get

923
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 4: punched in the face about three times.

924
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 3: Now.

925
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 4: These are those games that if you're Detroit saying, well,

926
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 4: look at this. They're beat up. Their offense isn't moving

927
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 4: the ball, there's no commitment to the run game. You

928
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 4: don't blink because Atlanta it will do what they did

929
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 4: to Buffalo. You're like, what, and then they'll get me.

930
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 4: So those games do happen. But I'm not just going

931
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 4: to put on the big stone, the foam finger kid

932
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 4: gloves type of thing and say.

933
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: You're in a first round draft pick.

934
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 4: You're with the reason Darnold and Daniel Jones aren't here,

935
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 4: and so we have got to play a regular game plan.

936
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 4: If he's healthy, you got to cut it loose, but

937
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 4: you better be wise in the way you do it.

938
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 4: And it doesn't mean you can't run it. You have

939
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 4: to implement him in the run game. You have to

940
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 4: change his launch point for people ton't understand what to saying.

941
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 4: You can't just drop him back in the pocket the

942
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 4: whole time and let it come that because a little

943
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 4: tee off and you will be down to it rook,

944
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 4: you'll be down to another quarterback. So change the launch

945
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 4: point I start. You're going to have to prevent a

946
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 4: fast start. That's the problem. When you play Detroit. You

947
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 4: can blanket at seventeen and nothing. That's that's how explosive

948
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 4: they are, and then you're in a chase bad then

949
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 4: you get caught up.

950
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: So allow yourself to stay in a game plan you

951
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,439
Speaker 1: have by you know, quarter, first quarter and a half.

952
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 4: You've got to stay within striking distance because they'll get

953
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,760
Speaker 4: into a track meet while you're running a slow marathon.

954
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 4: They run the four by one hundred meter relay and

955
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 4: they curb stop you in a quick in a hurry.

956
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 4: Then they cut it loose in the pass rush. So

957
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 4: I can't I don't want to say simplify makes it

958
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 4: seem like they're not doing anything, But I would do

959
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 4: a lot of the same stuff. And find out what

960
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 4: JJ's comfortable with matched up against, how they play coverage

961
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 4: in fronts, and then dress it up and don't be

962
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 4: afraid to go back to the same thing four or five, six,

963
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 4: seven times.

964
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: Just make it look different to the defense. Our whole

965
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: game plan on.

966
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 4: Offense is to make the defense think it's complex, but

967
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 4: to have us break the huddle knowing it's pretty simple

968
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 4: to read, and I think, to get him a rhythm,

969
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 4: and I always feel, give me a couple quick completions,

970
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 4: four or five in a row, whether it's a screenplay,

971
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 4: you know, a checkdown, a.

972
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: Slant to get him going, and then it's like, okay,

973
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: you start.

974
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 4: To feel it, but a couple two, three, three and

975
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 4: outs and then all of a sudden, oh, here we

976
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 4: go again.

977
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: So the defense will be the defense will compete.

978
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,240
Speaker 4: There's only unless they're on the field twenty extra minutes

979
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 4: like they were last week. But it's the offense and

980
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 4: their production, and you got to find ways to get

981
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 4: your best players at football. I don't care how it is.

982
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 4: I don't care if you got to put him in

983
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 4: the backfield and tossing the ball. You got to get

984
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 4: him the football, because if you're one dimensional.

985
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,959
Speaker 1: In this game. Will it won't be a fun watch

986
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: this weekend.

987
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 2: Have a wonderful weekend, my friend, great stuff as always,

988
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 2: will chat next Thursday.

989
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: I appreciate you, brother, Thank you. Have a great one.

990
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 2: Sean Salisbury helping us out as only he can, indeed do.

991
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 2: We got Roos Radio coming up at five. We did

992
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 2: we talk about doing the inbox next.

993
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 3: I think we can. Let's sit, we'll squeeze.

994
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 2: It might be a mini version of Doctor Dan's Inbox,

995
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 2: but we'll get to it. We've also got Mike Conley

996
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 2: to talk Wolves and NBA at four thirty