1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,080 Speaker 1: Well, best time of the day. I'm going to say, 2 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: good afternoon, Welcome now our number four and you're at 3 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: home with Gary Sullivan taking you through another weekend. Let 4 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: me give you that phone number. Feel free to grab it. 5 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: It's five one, three seven fifty five hundred. Those lines 6 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 1: are wide open and happy to chat with you about 7 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: your home projects. We'll be going up to the one 8 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: o'clock hour and let's get back to the phonetains and 9 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: by the way, go ahead and grab that lineer's cup open. 10 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: Like I said, Gary, Welcome. 11 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 2: Hey, Gary, glad to go listen to you often. 12 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: Thank you. 13 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 2: I've got a little conundrum. I've got a little conundrum here. 14 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 2: I've got a driveway that's about one hundred feet long 15 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 2: or so that I want to replace. The driveway's old. 16 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 2: It was put in in nineteen twenty. It is the 17 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 2: old fashioned solid brick, you know, big bricks, and it's 18 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:00,279 Speaker 2: sunk over time, sure, and I've lived there for about 19 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 2: thirty five years and it really hasn't changed and it's 20 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 2: really solid, but it collects water. So when I went 21 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 2: to a contractor and just chatting with him, he said 22 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 2: it should come out and they should put gravel in 23 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 2: Now this is below grade where the lawns on either 24 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 2: side are actually above it, and that's probably why it 25 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 2: retains water and we've got puddles. My thought is I 26 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:34,119 Speaker 2: could pour a four inch lab right over that brick 27 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:38,479 Speaker 2: and then I'd have a solid foundation of brick underneath 28 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 2: that has really been forced into the ground by heavy trucks. 29 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 2: I live on Lake Erie and have had boulders and 30 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 2: all kinds of stuff delivered. I would just think it's 31 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 2: more of a solid foundation. Why would I need gravel? 32 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 2: And that's the kind of advice. 33 00:01:55,400 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: Well, tricky question. Now what I'm just curious now your 34 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: contractors saying that you were chatting with. 35 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 2: He said he'd tear it out and put gravel in 36 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 2: right and four concrete and I'm like, no, you know, 37 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 2: why not keep this in? He said, Well, the gravel 38 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 2: is going to produce a better foundation, and I'm thinking 39 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 2: that brick has been in there and it's solid. 40 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. So I'm going to have a difficult time answer 41 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 1: to that. Gary. Here's why. I mean, you might be 42 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: absolutely correct, okay, but we don't know that. I know you, 43 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: I agree, but you know the normal way of doing that, 44 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 1: and what he's going He's not going to guarantee it 45 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: either way, right, Yep, he's going to dig that up, 46 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: probably get a bulldoze, bulldoze that thing up. Thing's gonna 47 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: come in, probably put four six inches of gravel in there, 48 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: and he's gonna compress it, and he's gonna put the 49 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: concrete on top. And you know, you're saying, well, I 50 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: got a good bas it's been there forever, and I 51 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: kind of agree with you. But how much gravel is 52 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: he gonna put on top of that? Is he gonna 53 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: put on gravel? Is it gonna you know, with more weight? 54 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 1: Is it gonna be? I I don't know near to see. 55 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: And that's why he's not gonna do it. 56 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't understand, you know, like why would he 57 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 2: even need gravel on top of brick? There's nothing with drainage. 58 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: I watched during the housing explosion of the nineties. Now 59 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: I'm down in I'm down in Cincinnati, not in Cleveland, 60 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: but our soil down here has got a lot of 61 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: clay in it. Yep, and wool thumb is four inches 62 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: of gravel. I watched him put driveways in all day 63 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: long in the nineties without putting as I could grab 64 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: on there they're putting a run on clay. Not everybody, 65 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: but it's the only time I've ever seen it done. So, 66 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: you know, with concrete, you know this, I can tell 67 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 1: you know. You know, it's all about having the success 68 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: of that concrete is a good solid base. And my 69 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: guess is that particular contractor is saying it's got to 70 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 1: come up. It's a variable. I don't do it that way. 71 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: It could settle, it could maybe not good have good 72 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 1: adhesion on that brick. I don't know, Okay, and that's 73 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: my guess. Okay, okay, you know it is a guess, 74 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 1: and it's also a gamble and he's not willing to 75 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: take that. 76 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 2: Okay. Well, I thought there might be a good reason, 77 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 2: some kind of drainage packing or whatever. But like you said, 78 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 2: a good foundation is what they're trying to produce when 79 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:16,559 Speaker 2: they put Yeah, yeah, pretty habit. Yeah that's it. That's 80 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,359 Speaker 2: exactly right. But I'm sure that's what it is. 81 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, really, you can check with a 82 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: couple other people and get their opinion as they're looking 83 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: at it and see what they think. But I think 84 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: that's what you're going to run into. 85 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, hey, I appreciate the comments and the thought 86 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 2: behind it, it get a little more confidence. But I 87 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 2: think I'll check with a couple other contractors. 88 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: Very good. Oh, thanks Gary, thanks for the call. Appreciate it. 89 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 1: All right, let's go to Judith. Judith welcome, Hello, how 90 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 1: are you doing doing fine? Thanks good? 91 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 3: They got a quick question. I had a privacy fence 92 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 3: put up, and the contract that I had with the 93 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 3: folks to put the pens up said it was going 94 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 3: to be a one by six by six picket. Well, 95 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 3: after the fence is up, I've discovered that it's a 96 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 3: three quarter by six by six picket and not the 97 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 3: one inch like the like the contract intenate was going 98 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 3: to be. So I'm just wondering, is I mean, I 99 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 3: guess there's such a thing as a as a one 100 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 3: inch picket, And what's the difference in price on a 101 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 3: three quarter to one inch? 102 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I don't know. But I'm just 103 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: wondering if that three quarter inch picket is a one 104 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: inch picket. For instance, two by fours aren't two by four. 105 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: I don't know how the picket fences are are sold. 106 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: Have you asked them about that? 107 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 3: I haven't. I haven't asked him about it because I 108 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 3: just I just realized that, and the fence has only 109 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 3: been up a couple of weeks. 110 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, why don't you call over a lumber yard or 111 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: something along along those lines down in Louisville and ask 112 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:08,239 Speaker 1: about one, you know, one inch picket fence and you 113 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,239 Speaker 1: just get to get the dimensions on it. I really 114 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: don't know, but a lot of the wood dimensions are 115 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: not what they're stated. Like I said, at two by 116 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: four is inch and five A's. 117 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 3: Okay. So I know that I'm learning things today. 118 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: So you know, I don't know if it's the same 119 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: in picket fence, but it may be. And my guess is, okay, 120 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: my guess is they probably are. I don't of course, 121 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: I think you're smart for checking. I'll say that too, okay, 122 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: but I am. 123 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 4: I did go online and you I mean, I looked 124 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 4: at like home Depot and Lows and you can buy 125 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 4: a one inch picket, and you can buy a three 126 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 4: quarter picket. 127 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,119 Speaker 1: But what is the actual size? That's that's all I'm saying. 128 00:07:58,240 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 2: I don't know. 129 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: So a one inch picket fence maybe three quarters three quarter, 130 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: maybe less. I don't know. I'd have to look that up. 131 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: I bet you can look it up and get a 132 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: real quick answer. I just don't know the. 133 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 5: Answer that, okay, okay, Well, so I mean I may 134 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 5: need to talk to somebody in the lumber at the 135 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 5: at home depot or low'ser somewhere and just ask them. 136 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 6: Sure. 137 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: Even if you go up there and they've got you know, 138 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: one inch pickt fence and you got your your tape measures, 139 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: you can probably get a real quick answer. Yeah, okay, 140 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: all righty. 141 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 3: Okay, And a real quick editorial comment. If anybody doesn't 142 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 3: know where the water shut off is for their house, 143 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 3: they might want to make sure they know. My daughter 144 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 3: a couple of nights ago, had the pipe on her 145 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 3: water heater burst in the middle of the night, and 146 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 3: they quickly found out they did not have a water 147 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 3: shut off inside their house for the whole oh Man, 148 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 3: and flood and flooded, flooded in the house. And they 149 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 3: found out later the main shut off of the house 150 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 3: is under their house. So goodness, anybody that doesn't know 151 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 3: where the water shut off is for their house and 152 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 3: their water heater might save yourself some heartache or something 153 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 3: like that happens to you. 154 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I preach all the time making sure everybody knows 155 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: where the shut off is. In this case, if it 156 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: wasn't in the house, nobody knows. 157 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, so they they I guarantee they'll they'll know from 158 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 3: now on. But just anybody that doesn't know where it is, 159 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 3: that's a that's a good idea. Like you said, make 160 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 3: sure everybody knows where it is. 161 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, boy, there's no question about that. So here you go. 162 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: I just looked it up for you. A one inch picket. 163 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: The actual size is about three cores of an inch 164 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: thick and three and a half inches wide. 165 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, so these are actually they are they are 166 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 3: six inches wide. It would be a one six by. 167 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 4: Six inches wide. 168 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: A one inch by six inch picket. The actual size 169 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: is three quarter of inch thick and five and a 170 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 1: half inches wide. 171 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, so that's about right then. 172 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 3: Okay, well answer, you've answered my question, and so that'll 173 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 3: keep me from calling them. 174 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: And it never hurts to keep everybody on us, Judith, 175 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 1: I don't blame you. 176 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 3: Well, yeah you got you gotta know. So okay, well, thanks, 177 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 3: thank you very much for informing me about that. 178 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: You're quite welcome. Take care all right, and our phone 179 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 1: numbers eight hundred and eight two, three, eight, two, five five, 180 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: and you're at home with Gary Salvan right here in 181 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: fifty five care see the talk station? All right? You 182 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: know one of the questions, and this comes up a 183 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: lot doing this show. And I don't care whether it's 184 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: a roof. We kind of had that question today with 185 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 1: a California weave and in the valleys no flashing or 186 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: maybe it's uh this timey year, somebody gives you an inspection. 187 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: In fact, I would encourage you to do this coming 188 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 1: up and we're going to start checking air conditioners preseason 189 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: check up. You know, is that really worth it? Gary? 190 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: You know it is worth it. It will extend the 191 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: life of it having that maintenance done. The question is 192 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: if they find something bad, how well you know that 193 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: person that's doing that inspection? In other words, are you 194 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: get in the right scoop? We just talked about concrete before, 195 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: We've talked about all kinds of things. And one of 196 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: the things that I'm always and I guess everybody is, 197 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: you know, get a couple I tell people all the time, 198 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: get a couple opinions or an outside source. For instance, 199 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: I got this crackling through the brick. Is my house settling? 200 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: Is this a problem. Is this structurally secure? The money 201 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: you'll spend, you know, which would be under a thousand 202 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: bucks For a structural engineer to make an assessment and 203 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: tell you how and what you need to do to 204 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: fix it is a great a great advantage. Getting multiple 205 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 1: quotes on a roof and how they're going to do 206 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: that will educate you so that you can ask the 207 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: questions of oh, no, flashing is and the next guy's 208 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 1: got fleshing, Why would I want that? What is the advantages? 209 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: What is it okay? Is it really? You know? Are 210 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: you getting a straight scoop? And a lot? Also with plumbing, 211 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: we you know, you got a main sewer line going 212 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: out and let's say the drains in the house aren't 213 00:12:54,200 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: going very well and somebody scopes the pipe and they owe, 214 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 1: this pipe going all the way out to the street 215 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: needs to be replaced, you know, Or that chimney liner's cracked, 216 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: that chimney needs a new liner. You want to be 217 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,959 Speaker 1: educate about that, sometimes getting a second opinion, sometimes doing 218 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: more research. In other words, you don't have to make 219 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: that decision right away. It's a whole different ballgame. If 220 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: you have a relationship with somebody you've always been satisfied. 221 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: But if you want a second opinion on that roofing, 222 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: for instance, get three. I did this myself and found 223 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: it interesting because why would you not spec on the 224 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: particular ones that I had. It was they were not 225 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:59,079 Speaker 1: going to replace the fleshing with metal fleshing. They weren't. 226 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: They were going to use what was there. And when 227 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: I was calling the other people back that this is 228 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: a number of years ago, but I was calling other 229 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: people back and asking questions, and the person that spacked 230 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: the flashing said you need flashing, said to me, well, 231 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: I wouldn't use that flashing again because it's got a 232 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:32,359 Speaker 1: hole in it. And he sent me a pitcher. Ooh, 233 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: you know, good thing. I didn't put a roof on 234 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: and use that same flashing, And if it's compromised, I 235 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: don't want to do that. And a rule of thumb 236 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: is to replace it. But if you want to save 237 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: a little money and the flashing was good, I guess 238 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: you could take that chance, but not if it has 239 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: a hole in it. So when you're looking at a 240 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: big investment, I would always get a second or pin 241 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: onion or have visual proof. Make sure you know what 242 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: you're buying and why you're buying it. I And that's 243 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: kind of the reason we talked first thing this morning. 244 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: I was talking about, you know, you get a good 245 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: day this time of year, and some of your concrete 246 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: surfaces are you know, whether you're going to do the 247 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: project or not, but they're getting a little age on them. 248 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: Get out there and see what's going on. And if 249 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: you're going to not do that project yourself, you're going 250 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: to have you know, like the one the base you 251 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: can always look up and or I can always tell 252 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: you what the appropriate base or what the you know, 253 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: the proper way to do that particular project. But if 254 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: it varies, it's get different opinions on why and why not. 255 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: And ventilation is another one. I mean, I can almost 256 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: go through almost any decent investment on your house and 257 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: you get three bids. I guarantee you they're gonna be different. 258 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: And it's not always the most expensive that you is 259 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: always right. I'm not saying get the best. You can 260 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: make a decision. You don't want to buy something that 261 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: is not wrong with the product, but wrong with the installation. 262 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: That's where you get into ventilation, like well we don't 263 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: need this, or we'll leave this well, you know, you 264 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: get three bids and the guy's gonna be telling you 265 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: you don't need these gable events because you got this 266 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: ridge event and you got the balance, and that's cool. 267 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: When we're going to block up these gable events, and 268 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: that's fine as long as you know that would be 269 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: the proper way to ventilate that roof. So my point 270 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: being is, if it's a sizeable investment in your home roofing, 271 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:07,679 Speaker 1: maybe big plumbing, maybe your waistline not your waistline, but 272 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: the waistline to your own yeah, that line, that wasteline, 273 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: any concrete work, get a couple of opinions and make 274 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: sure that you understand them. Make sure that they're explained 275 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 1: to you. I mean, because they're staking their name on it. 276 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: I most of us assume it'll be done right. But 277 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: there's options. Some of them aren't necessary, some of them 278 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: are necessary, So make sure you know what you're buying. 279 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 1: That would be my tip. All right, Speaking of plumbing, 280 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about someone that does just that 281 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: does inspections on some plumbing and doesn't necessarily do the repair, 282 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: but gives you, you know, the scoop on what they 283 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: see and then you can go to somebody that's going 284 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: to make that repair. That's next as we continue at 285 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: home with Gary Salvan right here on fifty five krc 286 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: DE talk station. All right, twelve thirty three on your Saturday, 287 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: you're at home with Gary Sullivan. Joining me now is 288 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 1: Patrick Cooper. He is with a company called Mainline Inspection Services. Patrick, 289 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 1: welcome that home with Gary Sullivan. 290 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 6: Hi, you doing doing, sir? Thank you for having me. 291 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit about Mainline Inspection Services. I 292 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: was just talking about getting different quotes on all kinds 293 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: of things if it's a sizable investment in your home, 294 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 1: and I think that's what Mainline Inspection Services is all about. 295 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 6: Well, we are a consultative evaluation only type of sewer 296 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 6: inspection company. We do detailed inspections, evaluations, and then we 297 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 6: offer reports and detailed written reviews with any mitigation recommendations, 298 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 6: if any awarranted. We include any of potential estimates for 299 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 6: those prepares. But what makes us different is we're not 300 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 6: out there to sell you any type of We're not 301 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 6: going to upsell you any kind of repair or fix. 302 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 6: We're just there to give you an honest, objective, unbiased 303 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 6: evaluation and in our opinion of the condition of the pipe, 304 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 6: what needs to be done, and we and then we 305 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 6: need to give you all that information and we leave 306 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 6: it to you to call whoever you want to call 307 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 6: and get your estimates, get your quotes, and and you know, 308 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 6: go from there. 309 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 1: So Petra is this mainly the main wasteline that's going 310 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: out to the sewer system. 311 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:45,120 Speaker 6: Whenever we can, we do down spout, We do any 312 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 6: anything that we can get our camera into we can 313 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 6: look at, believe it or not. I've even done chimneys 314 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 6: and hvacs in the past, but that's not primarily what 315 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:58,640 Speaker 6: we do. Primarily it's it's sewer lines and downspout lines 316 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 6: and maybe some storeins on occasion. But when I do 317 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 6: an inspection, we do a lot of pre purchase inspections. 318 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 6: So we were in the real estate market, but we 319 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 6: also do homeowners And what we do is we try 320 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 6: to push the camera from the furthest back access point 321 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 6: in the house, which is typically a vertical stack, because 322 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,160 Speaker 6: we like to look at the line under the house, 323 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 6: which is what we call the sanitary Then we continue 324 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 6: on to the lateral that's outside. So we try to 325 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 6: do both lines because you know, the sanitary line beneath 326 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 6: the house is just as important as the outside line, sure, 327 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 6: and you can have there as well. And then if 328 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 6: it wants to do additional inspections, we can do that 329 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 6: as well, you know. 330 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: So, Patrick, I'm sure when you're doing these you're running 331 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 1: into all different types of pipes. In a city like Cincinnati, 332 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 1: an older city. What type of pipes are you usually scoping. 333 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 6: Depends what part of town you're in, you know, but 334 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 6: the most common is vitrified clay tile or clay tile, 335 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 6: cast iron and concrete. On occasion Orangeburg, and I can 336 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 6: explain Orangeburg. A lot of people know what Orangeburg is. 337 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 6: You do see that on occasion. More with septic lines 338 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 6: then we then we see PBC both schedule forty SDR 339 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 6: thirty five, which stands for a standard standard dimension ratio. 340 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 6: I always tell people it's that green teal pipe that 341 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 6: you see every time you go by a construction site, right, 342 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 6: and you can see issues. And even though it's new, 343 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 6: I've seen issues in newer PVC. Not as common, it's 344 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 6: not as often, but you do, you know, I've seen 345 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 6: slipped hub gaskets where the because those you know, uh, 346 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 6: that green teal pipe, the SDR thirty five. They're typically 347 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,360 Speaker 6: not cemented. They have gaskets, and sometimes when they put 348 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 6: those pipe sections together to stick it into the pipe, 349 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 6: can catch that gasket and push it into the line, 350 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 6: and I've seen that, so but yeah, it's it's the 351 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 6: older houses, it's cast iron, concrete and clay occasionally Orangeburg, 352 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 6: and then the newer houses it's schedule four PVC NSDIR 353 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 6: for everybody. Those are the most common. 354 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: Well, I guess our soil being so heavily clay based, 355 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: and then we had like spring rains this year, or 356 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: not spring rains this year, but winter snow, and last 357 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: year we had a lot of spring rains. Then you 358 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: have a drought. We got clay, and that clay swells 359 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: and shrinks, and that's gotta be something to do with 360 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: the pipe failure, right, It could. 361 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 6: Be, you know, it could also have to do with 362 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 6: the soil. And I lived in Oklahoma for a while, 363 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 6: and I know houses didn't have basements in Oklahoma because 364 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 6: it's clay soil that would expand and contract on the 365 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 6: foundation walls. So I can't imagine that would have something 366 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 6: to do with the clay tile pipe. They have about clay 367 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 6: pile A little last forever in the right conditions. I 368 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:51,120 Speaker 6: always tell people clay pile pipe is awesome pipe material 369 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 6: because it doesn't grow, it doesn't break down. It because 370 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 6: it's vitrified. It's mixed with a shale and it's cooked 371 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,239 Speaker 6: at a thousand degrees. And you think about all the 372 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 6: pottery you see in museums that's clay tile. You know, 373 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 6: it's basically the same material, but the promaclay tile it's 374 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 6: a bit more brittle. So if you have any kind 375 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 6: of ground shift or excessive vertical load in the pipe, 376 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 6: then that can compromise the integrity of the pipe. And 377 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 6: that's when you start to see cracked and broke brooke pipe. 378 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 6: It's just a ground shift, you know. 379 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So if I'm getting ready to buy a house, 380 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: I've had my home inspection done. They're probably not going 381 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 1: to check the waistline. They're probably not going to check 382 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: the inside of the chimney. Is that where you know? 383 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: I mean, if I'm buying a house, I want to 384 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 1: make sure those two things work right. I mean, is 385 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 1: that kind of the focus of your company? 386 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 6: Well, we got a tagline that goes your sewer line. 387 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 6: Is the most expensive pipe you never see? 388 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, So. 389 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 6: I'd advise it whether it's new construction and all construction, 390 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 6: I advise it. I've seen all kinds of wacky things 391 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 6: in the fifteen years i've been doing this, and you 392 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 6: just never know. I mean, you can look at an old pipe, 393 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 6: it can be and I just did one this past week. 394 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 6: It was a one hundred year old house in Norwood 395 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 6: and it looked pretty, didn't look bad. And then you 396 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 6: go to a new house and you have a severe 397 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 6: sag or belly, or you have a slip pub gasket, 398 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 6: and sometimes you even have crush pipe, and TV say, 399 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 6: you just never know whether it's new or old. So, 400 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 6: you know, and this has become a bigger part. When 401 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 6: I started this in twenty and eleven, I don't think 402 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 6: there weren't very many people about having this done and 403 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 6: over the you know, about seven or eight years in 404 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 6: the Dorn and it became way more common, especially with 405 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,199 Speaker 6: pre purchase inspections. And now we see a lot of 406 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 6: home inspectors that are kind of jumping into the oh 407 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 6: there there. 408 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, no, they don't mess too much with chimneys. 409 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: That's why I was asking that question. Uh. In fact, 410 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: let me tell you what happened to me, and uh, 411 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: this is probably twenty five years ago, so maybe that 412 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 1: technology wasn't even being used twenty five years ago. I 413 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 1: don't know. But I had a house built, and this 414 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: is exactly why you would pre inspect a new home. 415 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: So we moved in. Life is good, We're all excited, 416 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 1: and I'm like, what is that smell in the basement? 417 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: And it smelled like sewer gas. I checked all the traps, 418 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: I was checking everything, and but I but I could 419 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: smell something. Okay, So, like every good soldier does, I 420 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 1: get down on my hands and knees and start sniffing 421 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,880 Speaker 1: around the different parts of the floor. And I get 422 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 1: where my sanitary line is going through the concrete, and 423 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 1: the concrete is not poured up tightly against the pipe. 424 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: There's some holes there, and I'm thinking it's coming from here. 425 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: So I had a rag and I stuffed the rag 426 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: in this little opening between the pipe and the concrete, 427 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:10,439 Speaker 1: gave it a day or two, came down, smells gone, yeah, 428 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 1: And so called the builder up and everything and they they, 429 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: you know, jackhammered the basement floor up and the pipe, 430 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: the PVC forty was cracked. There was an elbow and 431 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 1: I don't know, they cracked it when they were back 432 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: filling it or something and it was sewer gas. 433 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, that can happen. I saw a broken Schedule forty 434 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 6: in the driveway and the condo that I stoped in. 435 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 6: My suspicion is that at some point, and it wasn't 436 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 6: very deep. So my suspicion was at some point that 437 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 6: they installed the pipe, they had the soil and before 438 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 6: they put the driveway in the soil still kind of loose. 439 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 6: There's only a couple of feet deep. And my suspicion 440 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,199 Speaker 6: is it probably at some point a dump truck or 441 00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 6: a concrete mixer probably ran over the fresh soil before 442 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 6: the driveway was laid right and crushed the pipe. Yeah, 443 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 6: Schedule Ford, it's pretty stout pipe. Yes, it's very stout. 444 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 6: The walls are about the quarter is thick, you know, 445 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 6: so it's unusual to see that. So something happened for 446 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 6: that pipe of break if it was Schedule forty, that 447 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 6: strong stuff. 448 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,199 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So anyway, I just want to bring that 449 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 1: up because this stuff does happen. And when you do 450 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: home inspections, what do you usually find I mean, I mean, 451 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: do you find I mean, what's the percentage of having 452 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: a problem or or do you get in there and 453 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: it's like, well, the pipes are kind of a mess, 454 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 1: but the pipe looks okay. I mean, what do you 455 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: find asked that I. 456 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 6: Get asked that a lot. I know, I put it 457 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,719 Speaker 6: maybe twenty twenty five percent of the time, you're going 458 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,640 Speaker 6: to find something that's going to require even some kind 459 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 6: of maintenance, cleaning, point repair, potentially a full line replacement. 460 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 5: Uh. 461 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 6: You see all kinds of wacky things, doing fifteen years 462 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 6: into it in all kinds of wacky stuff. But as 463 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 6: far as like, as far as like the structural part 464 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 6: of the pipe, roots are common. But roots are not 465 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 6: the end of the world. I always tell people, of 466 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 6: all the issues in a pipe, the roots are the 467 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 6: things I'd worry at least about because they're maintainable. They 468 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 6: can be cleaned, and they can be maintained. They're a pain, 469 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 6: But you know, as long as I worry about the pipe, 470 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 6: I don't worry about the roots. I'm concerned about the 471 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 6: condition of the pipe other than that you have crosss, fractures, breaks, separations, bellies, offsets, sads, 472 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 6: changing grade which means the entire line's gone flat. But 473 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 6: I concern myself not with the condition of the pipe. 474 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 6: I always like to say, I'm also concerned about the 475 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 6: circumstance of the pipe. So with every inspection I do, 476 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 6: I also performing surface locate so I track where the 477 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 6: line goes, and I want to know does it go 478 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 6: into a neighbors yard? And I've seen that. And if 479 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 6: it goes to a neighbor yard, now you got to 480 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 6: look into a potential for an easement agreement. Does that exist, 481 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 6: because if you ever have to dig it up, uh, 482 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 6: you know, that could be a probable. I think it's 483 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 6: not that. Yeah, And actually I did want to marry 484 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 6: amount several years ago. In ninety percent of the line 485 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 6: man all the way across his neighbor's front yard. Almost 486 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 6: none of his line was in It was all in 487 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 6: his neighbors And I said, if you ever have to 488 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 6: dig that up, and you go to your neighbor and say, hey, 489 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 6: I got some bad news. My life's uh collapsed. 490 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 7: And I got some worse news, Yes, in your yard, 491 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 7: then what if he tells you, now, yeah, you're not 492 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 7: thinking about it that you know, But if you're not, 493 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 7: if you're not doing that, if you're not locating where. 494 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,479 Speaker 6: The line goes, You're not going to know that right, 495 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 6: And that's why I think lone locates are extremely important. 496 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 6: And as far as I know, I don't think anybody 497 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 6: does that but me. I'm that could be wrong, but 498 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 6: I'm not any home inspector or any anybody who comes 499 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 6: out to do inspections. They're actually locating with the line 500 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 6: runs and mapping it out for him. 501 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: So you say, you kind of focus in the real 502 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: estate area, but then some people just start realizing that 503 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,479 Speaker 1: at the drainage and the houses and as good and 504 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: they're going to get a unbiased opinion of what's going on. 505 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: I'm not saying everything plumber's biased, but you're you're going 506 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: to get an unbiased opinion. You're not doing the repair work, 507 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: You're simply doing the inspection. 508 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 6: You're paid to be honest. That's why I always like 509 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 6: to say, I have no I have no interest in 510 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 6: getting involved in the mitigation side of things. As far 511 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 6: as fixie. We've played around with the idea of offering 512 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 6: cleaning services, but as far as mitigation repair, I have 513 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 6: no interest on I'm just there to be honest. You know, 514 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 6: not everybody, but you know there's bad players in every industry, 515 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 6: and you should have guys that come out and tell 516 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 6: you something's wrong and you need to spend five, ten, 517 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 6: fifteen thousand dollars. And I've come out there now that 518 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 6: the pipe I go. I disagree. I think this lane's 519 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 6: mostly fine. I think maybe get the roots cleaned down, 520 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 6: you're good to go. 521 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: Sure. 522 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 6: So I'm not coming out there to sell them anything. 523 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 6: I'm not coming out there this. I'm just honest, honest 524 00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 6: and objective. 525 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: Well, you've you've been doing about fifteen years. What got 526 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: you in this business? 527 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 6: When we moved here, I worked in a different industry. 528 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 6: I was actually a general sales manager for a publishing company, 529 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 6: and you know, at some point during the recession, you know, 530 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 6: we found ourselves unemployed, and at some point we had 531 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 6: a company come out to clean our line out that 532 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 6: was backed up. And then they sent a gentleman out 533 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 6: with a camera, and I was impressed with his knowledge 534 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 6: and what he did. So I asked him that they 535 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 6: were hiring, and took our resume, and the next day 536 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 6: they called me and hired me. And then a little 537 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 6: then a couple of months into it, I, in my opinion, 538 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 6: I felt like a lot of the recommendations that they 539 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 6: were making and that the things that were selling weren't 540 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 6: really necessary. Okay, And one day my wife was driving 541 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 6: me to drop me off someplace. I credit my wife 542 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,959 Speaker 6: with the idea for the business. I had the idea, 543 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 6: and I said to my wife, who do you call 544 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 6: if you just want like an honest, unbiased opinion, Just 545 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 6: somebody come out with you. And my wife said to 546 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 6: me smartly, there's no one. Because they spent a lot 547 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 6: of money on this inspection equipment. They do it to 548 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 6: make a profit side. And then I said to my wife, 549 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 6: I said, well what if I was that guy? And 550 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 6: she was like, I think that's an awesome idea for 551 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 6: a business. So I credit my wife with giving me 552 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 6: the good the motivation to do this, and. 553 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: Sure sure, God bless her absolutely. So the name of 554 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 1: the business is Mainline Inspection Services and Patrick, how do 555 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: folks get a hold of you or learn a little 556 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: bit more about it. 557 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 6: We're easy to find online. It's Mainline inspection dot com 558 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 6: or you can just google US Mainline Inspection Services and 559 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 6: the number is five one three three four nine three 560 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 6: three five seven and we have a bunch of Google 561 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 6: reviews and they can call any time they can schedule 562 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 6: on the website and we're super easy to find. 563 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: Very good, Patrick, thank you so much for your time today. 564 00:32:58,640 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: I certainly appreciate it. 565 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 6: Thank you, sure appreciate you. 566 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: All right, take care. It's Patrick Hooper Mainline Inspection dot com. 567 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: And that kind of almost towes in exactly what I 568 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: was talking about before, is if you want it unbiased 569 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: or a couple estimates, you're not asking too much, that's 570 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 1: for sure. All Right, we'll take a break, come back 571 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: and kind of wrap up our day as we continue 572 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 1: at home with Gary Sulvan right here on fifty five 573 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: k SE Detalk station. All right, twelve fifty two, it 574 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: is you're at home with Gary Sullivan. Boy, I'll tell 575 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: you what what was it? What day? Did it rain 576 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 1: like crazy? Wednesday? Tuesday night? Wednesday? 577 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, Tuesday Wednesday. 578 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: And that's the second really really big rain we've had, 579 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 1: plus all the snow ground saturations gotta be at a 580 00:33:54,520 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: real new high. But it also started making me wonder. 581 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: You know, Crowl spaces basements. My background in the hardware 582 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: business was when we had rains like that, you know, 583 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 1: you sold a lot of some pumps and you sold 584 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:15,840 Speaker 1: a lot of hydraulic cement. Uh, when you have cracks 585 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: in a foundation, and I'm not here to tell you 586 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 1: not to fill cracks and foundations, I'm not here to 587 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: tell you not to use waterproof paint. But what it 588 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,319 Speaker 1: does is it keeps water out of the basement to 589 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: a degree. Right. But the question you always have to 590 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,840 Speaker 1: ask is where's that water going? Now? The person that 591 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 1: had the leak from Montana through the roof and I, 592 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: you know, I was trying to kind of put it together, 593 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 1: and he was knowledgeable, knowledgeable, I could tell, and he 594 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 1: was explaining it beautifully to me. But as I told him, 595 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,359 Speaker 1: I said, man, you just never know where water has 596 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 1: traveled before it shows its face. And when you have 597 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 1: problems from heavy rains, it it may not be that 598 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 1: crack that may be the source of allowing that water in. 599 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 1: The real problem was probably the pressure of the water 600 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 1: that was outside the foundation or the footers, and that 601 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:25,320 Speaker 1: may have been what allowed that basement to crack. It 602 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 1: it's and obviously we don't want water in there. My 603 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 1: point being is it's great to use the water plug 604 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 1: the water stop it'll it'll stop the water. It's not 605 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 1: going to stop the problem because that water for whatever reason, 606 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 1: it's it's still there. Whether it's the gutters aren't, you know, 607 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: taking the water away from the foundation, or the water's 608 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 1: pulling along the foundation, it's not the crack's fault. The 609 00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 1: crack is just leaving the door open on a cold Dad, 610 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 1: it's allowing that water to come in. Go ahead and 611 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 1: patch it, but don't quit looking for what the problem is. 612 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 1: Same way with gutters, same way with down spouts. If 613 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 1: the gutters are leaking, why are they leaking? Well, probably 614 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 1: not a seamless gutter. Maybe the anchors are nails and farrells, 615 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,800 Speaker 1: and when they drove the nails in, it's not driven 616 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 1: into the trusses and they've moved. It's not the gutter 617 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,920 Speaker 1: that's leaking at all. Maybe maybe it's leaking behind the gutter. 618 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:48,360 Speaker 1: So digging into things and trying to find the reasons 619 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 1: or really what it's all about bringing up the amount 620 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:58,240 Speaker 1: of rain we had, I would tend to bet there 621 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:04,319 Speaker 1: was some people during that last rain that man never 622 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 1: had a basement leak. But it leaked, and it leaked 623 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 1: right at the wall and the floor. And I'm sure 624 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,800 Speaker 1: you freaked out when you saw it, because there's water 625 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 1: in the basement. Maybe there was carpet, maybe there was 626 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:26,439 Speaker 1: just concrete, but there's water in my house. I want 627 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 1: you to go outside where that water showed up inside 628 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:37,240 Speaker 1: your home and see if there isn't a down spout there, 629 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 1: and take a look and see if that down spout, 630 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 1: if it takes the water underground, See if those pipes 631 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:54,400 Speaker 1: are lined up. Last fall, we had a pretty good drought, 632 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 1: pretty severe drought, and with the clay soil, that pipe 633 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:07,440 Speaker 1: underneath the ground very well could have become misaligned with 634 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 1: the actual downspout had it happened numerous times with friends 635 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:19,480 Speaker 1: of mine. So just go outside today. If it happened, 636 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 1: you got it all cleaned up, and you're worrying what 637 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,279 Speaker 1: in the world is gonna cost? Go outside, See if 638 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 1: that pipelines up, See if you see if you have 639 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 1: mulch in that bed, See if it's washed out, and 640 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 1: like maybe the gutters were overflowing and it's washed out 641 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,920 Speaker 1: some of the mult that was up against the house. 642 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,799 Speaker 1: That could have caused it. It's an inordinate amount of 643 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:49,720 Speaker 1: water that is landed right next to that foundation during 644 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:56,920 Speaker 1: torrential rains. I'm not saying that's everybody's problem, but if 645 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 1: you just kind of noticed it in the last week. 646 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 1: That could be the problem, and it's worth kind of 647 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,399 Speaker 1: taking that walk outside and seeing what's going on right 648 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 1: in that area and if it is, get it corrected 649 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 1: and see if that solves the problem. And as crazy 650 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 1: as it sounds, it might have. I mean it might have. 651 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,920 Speaker 1: But if it's a severe problem and you have to 652 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:29,879 Speaker 1: get your whole home waterproof, then that's what you gotta do. 653 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:35,799 Speaker 1: But there's also leaks that come into basements that don't 654 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 1: require your whole house to be waterproofed. My friends at 655 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,680 Speaker 1: ever Dry would tell you that they would give that 656 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 1: free exterior inspection to see if maybe it's something like that. 657 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,719 Speaker 1: But you can take a look at that today and 658 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 1: determine exactly what's going on. All right, Danny boy, Another 659 00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:01,239 Speaker 1: busy Saturday, another busy start of the weekend, and thank 660 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,640 Speaker 1: you for everything. Good Lord willing. We'll both be back 661 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,840 Speaker 1: tomorrow for more at Home with Gary Sullivan.