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Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand.

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Speaker 2: I like.

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Speaker 1: The way this show goes every week to have the

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Speaker 1: opportunity to talk about these things and open up the

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Speaker 1: dialogue when you can always tell when someone's asking how

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Speaker 1: someone asks the question as to what answer they want.

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Speaker 1: And so that's all I was pointing out when I

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Speaker 1: asked the denomination, just so you know, because as questions

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Speaker 1: are asked in reverse, well this is I just want

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Speaker 1: to point those things out so people know where the

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Speaker 1: agenda lies. Now. I think it was a heartfelt question

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Speaker 1: as well, and I think that it's an important question

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Speaker 1: and a lot of confusion. Keep in mind, you have

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Speaker 1: broke the commandments, if you remember in scripture I tell

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Speaker 1: you that it's not if you murder somebody, if you

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Speaker 1: even think about it, you've broken the commandment. It says

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Speaker 1: in scripture that I did not come to abolish, but

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Speaker 1: to fulfill, and that is often misunderstood, meaning that you

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Speaker 1: can push them away. Now. The Ten Commandments are still

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Speaker 1: important and still play a part in your life, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: but make no mistake, you have broken all of them.

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Speaker 1: They are broken. That was the purpose for my death,

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Speaker 1: that you could not live by them. If you wanted

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Speaker 1: to that even the Jewish standards of our Jewish brothers

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Speaker 1: the standard of God. By way of the Christian view,

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Speaker 1: that says, if you even think about it, you've done it.

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Speaker 1: In the Ten Commandment, it talks at ten Commandments, it

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Speaker 1: talks about uh, remembering the Sabbath day and keeping it holy.

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Speaker 1: Christians currently do not celebrate the Sabbath. It does not

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Speaker 1: mean they don't remember it. It does not mean they

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Speaker 1: don't keep but holy. It means that the celebration of

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Speaker 1: church and worship and praise is primarily not always I'm

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Speaker 1: done on the Lord's Day, which is Sunday, not the

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Speaker 1: Sabbath which is Saturday. They don't contradict each other. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't contradict scripture. What it's saying is that the laws

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Speaker 1: are not followed. The Ten Commandments have been broken. I

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Speaker 1: came died on the cross.

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Speaker 2: So that.

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Speaker 1: Those that believe can have eternal life and be covered

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Speaker 1: in those laws. The spirit of the law supersedes the

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Speaker 1: law itself, which is why I said, if you even

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Speaker 1: the law. So when you get lost in the laws themselves.

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Speaker 1: It becomes idolatry, which breaks the laws because now you

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Speaker 1: are worshiping the law and not what God's purpose was

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Speaker 1: and the reasons for the law. For instance, there are

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Speaker 1: orphans who cannot honor their parents. There are people that

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Speaker 1: that breaking the commandment? Absolutely not, because the commandment is

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Speaker 1: about honorable parents as well as it's about honoring them.

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Speaker 1: So in context, what happens is when people are looking

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Speaker 1: at the law in a way that is outside of

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Speaker 1: and died on the cross only way they would be fulfilled.

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Speaker 1: That's what's being pointed out.

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Speaker 1: If someone wants to worship on the Sabbath, there's no

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Speaker 1: problem with that. There's absolutely no problem with that. If

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Speaker 1: about worshiping the day and not worshiping God, and then

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Speaker 1: you're into idolatry, and then you're you've broken the commandments again.

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Speaker 1: All make no mistake, all of the commandments have been

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Speaker 1: which is saving lives. That is the purpose of it.

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Speaker 1: I said in Scripture that if you're you know, if

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Speaker 1: you do it. Why Because Sabbath was made for the man,

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of arguments that go out there

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Speaker 1: But really, when you read it in the context of

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Speaker 1: making the law void because of faith. No, it's establishing

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Speaker 1: the law. It's fulfilling the law. Looking into the original languages,

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Speaker 1: filled fully. And I think those things are important to

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Speaker 1: in that. And again, if you just start worshiping the

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Speaker 1: and that breaks the law. See it for what it is.

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Speaker 1: Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy. That's not diametrically

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Speaker 2: Jerome, Yeah, I'm trying to understand the purpose of the

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Speaker 2: attention of Christ. Okay, extention of his physical body.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean there's a lot of different beliefs that

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Speaker 1: go into this, but quite simply, I came by way

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Speaker 1: I was and the changing of coming into the flesh.

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Speaker 1: So I'm in the flesh and I'm standing on this

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Speaker 1: earth and I'm doing my ministry. All very important, But

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Speaker 1: the Father, and that the limitations, of the physical limitations

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Speaker 1: lifted in sorts. So really, when you read about it

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Speaker 1: here on earth, and that was very, very important. Ruth,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Hi, Hi, Ruth, Thanks

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Speaker 1: for holding on. How can I help you?

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Speaker 2: Yes, in my life for what's going on?

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Speaker 1: Yes, you are live?

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Speaker 2: Okay? Am I talking in Jesus Christ?

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Speaker 1: Well you sure are?

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, Okay, Yes, I'm bringing this, Ruth, and from

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Speaker 2: having your really hard time forgiving myself over portraying somebody's

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Speaker 2: CONCID You've betrayed.

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Speaker 1: You betrayed, betrayed someone's confidence. Yes, they told you something

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Speaker 2: Basically, I'm a religious singer and I was getting construction

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Speaker 2: religious community, Okay. And there was a mutual attraction and

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Speaker 2: it wasn't maybe ethical, but attractions are something used to

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Speaker 2: I shouldn't have at all.

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Speaker 1: And why do you think you did that?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: First of all, or either of you married? He was,

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Speaker 1: he is, he's married, and you felt that there was

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Speaker 2: You know, I really I can't believe I did that.

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Speaker 2: I don't understand the motivation I had for that, because

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Speaker 2: I see how destructive and stupid and foolish was I

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Speaker 1: Moment that I had, It wasn't as impulsive as you think.

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Speaker 1: You thought about it. You understood the way to the situation,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, honestly, I am trying to

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Speaker 2: figure out why did that. I not to excuse mental illness,

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Speaker 2: I am bipolar. If you come from a very ridiculously

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Speaker 1: Very I mean, did you want people to know that

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Speaker 2: There was something? It was more like I was sharing

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Speaker 1: I don't think so a weight. It really deals with

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Speaker 1: just one moment. We'll come back in just a second

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Speaker 1: and talk more. We were chatting with Ruth. Ruth was

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Speaker 1: you know you're a singer in the church, Ruth.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and and.

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Speaker 1: And this, uh, this other person, this man was a

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Speaker 2: It wasn't a feeling. There was sheets for very explicit

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Speaker 2: things that I wasn't. I didn't have a problem with it.

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Speaker 2: I was.

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Speaker 1: You sound like you were welcome, like you were flattered

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Speaker 2: I was. It was very flattered. I was. I was

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Speaker 2: very flattered by it.

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Speaker 1: Okay. And you gave into that flattery, and you probably

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Speaker 1: started responding in a way that you'd get more of it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, okay.

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Speaker 1: So he told you that he was having feelings for you. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: And the person that you told about this. You said

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Speaker 1: that you felt that you betrayed that confidence. There was

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Speaker 1: no confidence. He had betrayed confidence in his family. He

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Speaker 1: So he is doing the betrayal. Who did you tell?

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Speaker 1: Did you tell a friend there at the church?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Okay, how come you didn't go to the pastoral staff

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Speaker 1: and talk to the pastor.

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Speaker 2: I feel so guilty about anything.

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Speaker 1: Don't worry about guilt. That's that's the devil. It's not

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Speaker 1: about guilt. It's about doing that which is right and

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Speaker 1: finding out why you participated in this and why you

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Speaker 1: Why did you not.

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Speaker 2: This person drastically runs that institution. This person, it's really

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Speaker 1: than bobbing and weaving at everything that comes in your path.

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Speaker 1: So I encourage you to be introspective and always do

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Speaker 1: on in the world today are these simple words. I

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Speaker 1: Am with you always, KFI am sixty on demand