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Speaker 2: The latest Bengals on the Brain episod on YouTube is

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Speaker 2: Joe Goodberry's mock Draft three point zero. It is a

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Speaker 2: must watch. I watched it this morning first of all, Joe,

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Speaker 2: how are you.

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Speaker 3: Counting down the draft day? So I'm doing great. Nothing

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Speaker 3: really bothered me at this.

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Speaker 2: Point, you and me both. We'll see if that changes

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Speaker 2: two weeks from tomorrow night, before we dive into the draft.

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Speaker 2: Give me to this point, free agency, the good, the bad,

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Speaker 3: Well, they attacked the defensive line with Boye Mafe and

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Speaker 3: want to get into the weeds. I thought they could

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Speaker 3: And I feel like we're in the spring here saying,

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Speaker 2: Should I be as frustrated as I am at the

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Speaker 3: Yes, I think they are too. There's been some conflicting

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Speaker 2: So you mentioned the name Sonny Styles, and I want

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Speaker 3: Sonny's one of the cleanest prospects in this class. It's

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Speaker 3: There's not the big left tackle that's an all world

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Speaker 3: So there's questions on all these guys. There are no

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Speaker 2: Mod Draft three point zero. I'm not going to give

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Speaker 2: away all your content, but you had a chance in

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Speaker 2: your mod draft to take Caleb downs you did not.

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Speaker 2: How much is that informed by what they've done specifically

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Speaker 3: So a lot of that conversation I talked about that

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Speaker 3: these are lesser positions. They're still I want an impact

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Speaker 3: Overall, Yeah, it's a real thing. His arms are short.

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Speaker 3: round with this. And first, my retort on a football

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Speaker 3: they're thirty three, thirty four to thirty five. So if

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Speaker 3: Would I be nervous? I would because it means Knight

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Speaker 2: thank you enough. Looking forward to it. I know you

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Speaker 2: understand their chances are. They're not making a trade anytime soon.

433
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Speaker 2: It's not like there's somebody on the injured list or

434
00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,200
Speaker 2: you're thinking, well, that guy's gonna come off the interlist

435
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Speaker 2: and help us. They just dfa ces. Resigns had a

436
00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,200
Speaker 2: great spring. Resigns as toward the cover off the ball

437
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Speaker 2: early in the season in Louisville. He was not in

438
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Speaker 2: Louisville's lineup yesterday. He was not in Louisville's lineup for

439
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Speaker 2: a day game today. Now they haven't added him to

440
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Speaker 2: the roster. It doesn't appear nobody has seen him in Miami.

441
00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,800
Speaker 2: But that's gonna be worth paying attention to at least

442
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Speaker 2: a little bit. Again, like if some of these guys

443
00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:06,399
Speaker 2: they've gotten limited amounts of big league experience and haven't

444
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Speaker 2: exactly taken the opportunity and run with it. Reese Heine's

445
00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:15,320
Speaker 2: major league appearances last year were utterly forgettable, or if

446
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Speaker 2: they were memorable, they were memorable for all the wrong reasons.

447
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Speaker 2: But you have, you know, you have a team that's

448
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Speaker 2: struggling offensively, you have a guy that did have a

449
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Speaker 2: great spring, is off to a good start in Louisville.

450
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Speaker 2: You've invested a lot of time in him, Like, at

451
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Speaker 2: some point you've got to find out at the big

452
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Speaker 2: league level what you have. And even in this age

453
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Speaker 2: where we are more impatient than we've ever been, I

454
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Speaker 2: think it's fair to say that the roughly forty games

455
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Speaker 2: that he has been given at the big league level

456
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Speaker 2: aren't necessarily enough to fully judge whether or not he

457
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Speaker 2: could be a guy. And I know they wanted to

458
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Speaker 2: play every single day, but the primary objective is to

459
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Speaker 2: win Major League Baseball games. And again it is completely

460
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Speaker 2: worth wondering what can you do to add a little

461
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,400
Speaker 2: bit of a jolt to this offense? And the first

462
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Speaker 2: place you look at is Louisville. And the first thing

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Speaker 2: you see at Louisville as a guy in Reese Hines

464
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Speaker 2: who's off to a great start. He may not materialize

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Speaker 2: into the kind of big league hitter that he hopes

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Speaker 2: to be and that we hope to be, hope that

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Speaker 2: he turns into. But still like it's worth wondering. So anyway,

468
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Speaker 2: did not play for Louisville last night, did not play

469
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Speaker 2: for Louisville today. They had a day game against Indianapolis

470
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Speaker 5: It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood, bro, I mean

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Speaker 5: it's seventy degrees in the Natty. We got the masters

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Speaker 5: coming on, our beloved Reds winning a great start.

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Speaker 2: Off to the Marlins. We're gonna crush them. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: sweep them. Calling it here, wow, sweep. I like it.

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Speaker 2: I like your speaking my language. Skyline Chilly and the

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Speaker 2: Reds winning. You know what else, We just need a

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Speaker 2: little graders and wash it down. That sounds quite amazing.

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Speaker 2: That sounds quite amazing. It's awesome to have you. Good

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Speaker 2: to be awesome to have you with us every Wednesday

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Speaker 2: at this time to talk sports and money. I want

502
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,399
Speaker 2: to start with something that a lot of folks asked

503
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Speaker 2: in the run up to the baseball season, which was,

504
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Speaker 2: how can I watch the Reds? Will I be able

505
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 2: to watch the Reds? What's it gonna cost me to

506
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 2: watch the Reds? What am I gonna need? What am

507
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,159
Speaker 2: I gonna have to download? Where are they gonna be?

508
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,120
Speaker 2: Am I not gonna be able to watch them? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: All of this starts with the crumbling of regional sports networks, right,

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Speaker 2: I want a copy of Questions? Yeah?

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00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, major League Baseball coming in and saying we're gonna

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Speaker 5: fix this. I mean, think about this. There's there were

513
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Speaker 5: nine teams that they stepped in and said, all right,

514
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 5: we're gonna we're gonna do it our way, and we

515
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,640
Speaker 5: gotta go back. You gotta go back and go what's

516
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Speaker 5: the reasoning why? I remember looking on my TV and

517
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 5: my dad and I went down to the game and

518
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Speaker 5: my wife was gonna look and I'm.

519
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Speaker 2: Like going, I don't how do I see the game?

520
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,120
Speaker 5: And it's like you're opening dance, like you're before walking

521
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 5: out to the mountain. The picture's going, you know, moving

522
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 5: in the relief pitcher. We literally saw go back twenty nineteen.

523
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 5: Sinclair borrowed some money, borrowed a lot of money. They

524
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 5: brought about nine billion dollars in debt to buy some

525
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Speaker 5: regional sports, and they really put a vetmo on this

526
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 5: hierarchy status quo of everyone just paying one hundred and

527
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Speaker 5: eighty dollars a month and getting the whole cable now.

528
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Speaker 5: And then COVID happened and our door slam shut, and

529
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 5: we stayed home and we started going, I'm cutting the cord.

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Speaker 5: I don't need this. I'm gonna watch Netflix. I'm gonna

531
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Speaker 5: watch this, and I watch this, and it really crippled,

532
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 5: in my opinion, these regional sports networks. I think in

533
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 5: some ways it also hurt our beloved Reds. I mean,

534
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,439
Speaker 5: there are stats that are saying almost twenty five percent

535
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Speaker 5: and I don't know what it is for the Reds,

536
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 5: but for some of these teams, it was a huge

537
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Speaker 5: revenue share that they lost and it's going to take

538
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Speaker 5: some time to get that back. But what I love

539
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 5: is you can download it. You know, it's not terribly expensive. No,

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Speaker 5: it's not ninety nine dollars. You get seven days. I

541
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Speaker 5: love this price free. Who doesn't love free?

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Speaker 2: I got.

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Speaker 5: It's like, I should be you guy should be getting

544
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Speaker 5: a commission on this. It's unbelievable. Yeah, but I mean,

545
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 5: the Reds are hot, they're winning, and I think if

546
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 5: you want to watch the Reds, this is a great

547
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 5: a great way to do it if you don't have access.

548
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Speaker 2: What I like about it is there's a degree of

549
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 2: fan empowerment, right because there's a monthly payment plan, so

550
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Speaker 2: you can go, Okay, I'm getting it for April. Get

551
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 2: off to a good start. I'll renew for May. Yeah,

552
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 2: and then suddenly the season craters and it's the middle

553
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 2: of July, which hopefully this isn't the case, and there

554
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 2: are a thousand games at a first place. You go,

555
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 2: you know what, uh uh, I'm not getting in for

556
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 2: August and September, so you have to bring people back.

557
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 2: That is good, It is good. It puts it back

558
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Speaker 2: in the power of the consumer, which I think is great.

559
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Speaker 2: And you're not having to strap yourself to it. And

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Speaker 2: I think it's great Major League offered. I think it's

561
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Speaker 2: one ninety nine. You can watch anything whenever you want.

562
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Speaker 2: I grew up with you in the nineties, the unbelievable

563
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 2: championship that we had when we were kids. There is

564
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 2: an air of excitement right now about our beloved Reds

565
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 2: and who knows this could be interesting my great way

566
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Speaker 2: to watch it. Help me with this though, and because

567
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:55,120
Speaker 2: you could apply this to regular Yahoo's like me. So

568
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Speaker 2: Sinclair borrowed in twenty nineteen ninety nine billion dollars. Now

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Speaker 2: you said, well, COVID happened, but it's not like cord

570
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,719
Speaker 2: cutting wasn't happening. It was twenty twenty. So this this

571
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 2: day has always seemed inevitable. I'm no business expert, but

572
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Speaker 2: there's some followy folly and borrowing that kind of money

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Speaker 2: for something that is already they made a bad bet.

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Speaker 5: And really what we've seen is almost forty percent of

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Speaker 5: people are are cord cutting and getting subscription TV. Here

576
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Speaker 5: here's the example, and I love this. I wish I

577
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 5: came up with this, and I didn't, but but it

578
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Speaker 5: would be the equivalent of taking a second mortgage out

579
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Speaker 5: on your home and then putting all that buying Blockbuster

580
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,439
Speaker 5: before Netflix. I mean, shot me, bleu. It's just a

581
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 5: bad business deal and it sunk. And I think it's

582
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Speaker 5: interesting that Major League Baseball is recognizing this and stepping in.

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Speaker 5: It's going to be interesting in the beginning. I do

584
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Speaker 5: think long term this could be great. I mean, go,

585
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,360
Speaker 5: how many things you can subscribe to. You're talking about

586
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 5: FC Cincinnati, Apple TV, you can get on there. There's

587
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 5: so many ways you can watch sports that is catered

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Speaker 5: to you. And we are the home of the Reds. Man,

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Speaker 5: So I think there's some upside to this.

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Speaker 2: I do wonder though, because there's a lot lot of folks.

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00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 2: I think if you love the Reds and that's it,

592
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 2: you're good. But if you're like me and you love

593
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 2: all the sports, all the sports, and like NFL games

594
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 2: are all over the place. I love the NBA. There's

595
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 2: a bunch of different ways to watch NBA games, college basketball.

596
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 2: I gotta subscribe to Peacock and I gotta have ESPN Plus.

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00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 2: You're flighting on but you're spending one hundred and eighty bucks.

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00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 2: I go, is what that used to be? Right?

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Speaker 5: But you're doing on what you want to watch It's

600
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 5: not if you're watching the Hallmark channel, you want to

601
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 5: watch it Christmas time. It's a great time for a

602
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Speaker 5: box of greenexs.

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Speaker 2: Well, but then my wife has to watch Bravo, so

604
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 2: I like, you know, I got to watch all those

605
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 2: the bad reality show God bless you. I'm so sorry. Yeah,

606
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 2: maybe there's a marital issue there that perhaps there beyond

607
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 2: your purview's let's stay with the Reds. So there was

608
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 2: a piece that came out the day after opening day

609
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Speaker 2: and it was in the Business Courier and it sort

610
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Speaker 2: of took a look at the positives and the downside

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Speaker 2: of twenty years of current ownership. And there was a

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00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 2: passage in there that I think stood out to a

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00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 2: lot of people and it read, the Reds are worth

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Speaker 2: one point sixty seven billion dollars in one point six

615
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 2: eight over a five hundred increase. Yeah from what the

616
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Speaker 2: team was.

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00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:06,959
Speaker 5: Bought it at two hundred and seventy million in two

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Speaker 5: thousand and six. Incredible, So it went to years ago.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of folks who see that and go, well, see,

620
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Speaker 2: they should be paying more for players.

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I mean that, I think. Let me ask you,

622
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Speaker 5: this bro has your house gone up and value, yeah,

623
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Speaker 5: pretty well is mine?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Can you go spend all that tomorrow? I'd like to,

625
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 2: but no. Right, So, if you had a.

626
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 5: House it's two hundred thousand and it's now half a million,

627
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 5: that helps your net worth, but.

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Speaker 2: That's not income. I don't have a half million of

629
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Speaker 2: my checking out. Yeah, you just don't.

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Speaker 5: The only way to do that is you put it

631
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Speaker 5: for sales side in there and you're amazing home, and

632
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 5: someone buys it, and then you can choose to do

633
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Speaker 5: with whatever you want. I think we forget that the

634
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Speaker 5: value of a business is different than income. I think

635
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 5: many folks think of their net worth. We look at

636
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 5: net worth folks all the time in the office. Well,

637
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 5: I've got my house, I've got this, I've got that,

638
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 5: I got my four to one k. Great, where's the income?

639
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 4: Right?

640
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 5: And there is a difference, and you gotta look and understand. Now,

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00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 5: I'm not There's a lot of things we can do better.

642
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 5: I love the fact that we're eight and three. We've

643
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 5: been on it all the way. Today we're not even

644
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 5: hitting yet, but one point sixty eight billion. Listen to this,

645
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 5: the Twins. We're beating the Minnesota Twins. One point sixty five,

646
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Speaker 5: Pirates one point sixty four, the Royals one point sixty three.

647
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 5: And this is why I said we're gonna sweep the

648
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 5: Marrows one point four.

649
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 2: We're better on the field, we're better.

650
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 5: In the management. We're still at the bottom of the

651
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 5: wrong in Major League Baseball, and it's tough when you're

652
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 5: looking at income and when you're looking at salaries, you're

653
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 5: losing some of that revenue share. Right now that we

654
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 5: just talked about Auchi Mauchi, I think it's why a

655
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 5: lot of these teams that in the offseason probably gonna

656
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 5: spin the way that they our fans would have hoped.

657
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 5: It's because the revenue is getting cut. Bro, income's getting cut.

658
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 2: What's that going to mean? I guess there's twofold one

659
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,959
Speaker 2: is going back to the previous topic. So you're not

660
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 2: getting as much revenue from your TV deal if you're

661
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 2: not getting those rights fees. What impact may that have?

662
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 2: And then what impact may a work stoppage in twenty

663
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: twenty seven have on this? Well?

664
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, good luck on that. When that wild God bless baseball.

665
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 5: I mean, when we're growing up, it was the most

666
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 5: popular sport and when everyone knew every player. It was great.

667
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 5: I could tell you any player. And then we had

668
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 5: the strike and we had another one, and it'll be

669
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 5: interesting to see how that hand or high hammer's out.

670
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 2: Bro.

671
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 5: But I think when you're looking at the Reds revenues

672
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 5: approximately three hundred and fifty one million, but they're paying

673
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 5: one hundred and fifteen million around that in salaries, and

674
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 5: so earnings before interest and taxes and deductions and ammerdation

675
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 5: IBADAD is forty five mili.

676
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: There.

677
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 5: It's tough when you're looking at income and your competitor

678
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 5: across the street. Here you look at la Go across

679
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 5: the Great vs. United States of America, and their payroll

680
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 5: is three hundred million. They just have more revenue. There's

681
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 5: more people. So it is a catch twenty two and

682
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 5: it is tough to see where we're at.

683
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 2: It'll be interesting to see.

684
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 5: What happens with the workshop stoppage. If that happens, I

685
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 5: mean new dates, it might help us in the long run. Yeah,

686
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 5: you know, short term, I don't know, Bro, And it's

687
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 5: not my problem.

688
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 2: Economic restructuring in the game, I think most people are

689
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 2: in favor of I think you'll have folks who see, well,

690
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 2: they've the value of the franchise has gone up by

691
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 2: more than five hundred percent your neighbor, right, So that's

692
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 2: basically just a sign of just everything appreciates well, I

693
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 2: mean is I mean.

694
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 5: Look what we've seen happen with DraftKings and fan duels

695
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 5: and bringing the attention to the gaming, and it's it's amazing.

696
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 5: I go to some of these conferences, investment conferences, and

697
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 5: everybody's on their phone and I'm like, am I missing

698
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 5: some news? And I walk by, I know they're all

699
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 5: putting bets, right. It's just crazy. It's like you're in

700
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,479
Speaker 5: Vegas twenty four to seven. That's bringing eyes and people

701
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 5: to the games, right, And so I we're getting we're

702
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 5: getting that aspect. But man, I don't know, bro, it's

703
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 5: a weird mix. And you got to realize that the

704
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 5: appreciation is growing. But it's pretty hard to say, well,

705
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 5: you've got this business, it's worth this, but go spend more.

706
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 5: Your house is worth more, your net worth is worth more.

707
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 5: But income is different than net worth, and I think

708
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 5: a lot of us forget that when it comes down

709
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 5: to it. I think a lot of us forget that

710
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 5: when it comes to just our own finances. Correct much

711
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 5: less baseball, correct. I mean you got a house, you

712
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 5: can be house poor man. You cant have a house

713
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 5: that you bought for two hundred thousand, it's worth a

714
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 5: million bucks, but you don't have enough money to go

715
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 5: to Myrtle Beach or down in Gallinburg and see Dollywood.

716
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 5: I mean, it's cash flow and it means everything in

717
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 5: retirement means everything when you're getting ready to work. What

718
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 5: you're doing, it's no different than a business. That evaluation

719
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,239
Speaker 5: is great, but you got to turn that into cabbage pro.

720
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 2: One thing that baseball is focusing on, and I've read

721
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 2: this with the commissioners. His objective is to increase valuations

722
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 2: for baseball teams relative to their counterparts in the NBA

723
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 2: and in the NFL. Well, how does that happen? How

724
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 2: does that happen? A good question.

725
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 5: I mean, look right now, I guarantee, if you go

726
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 5: to a great school, you could probably say who are

727
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 5: the top ten football players? They could rattle it off tomorrow.

728
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 5: Probably in basketball, probably get five or six. Baseball tough

729
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 5: it goes down. Boy, I feel like I'm being poo

730
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 5: poo on baseball. But when you look at the marketing

731
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 5: that the NFL has done over the last twenty thirty years,

732
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,479
Speaker 5: and you look at the marketing that NBA has done

733
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 5: to the marketing of baseball. It is a big, big difference.

734
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 5: And that's where I think the subscription thing with MLB. Man,

735
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 5: they could pull this off, because if they can get

736
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 5: into that heartbeat are those teenagers now and start getting

737
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 5: baseball hooked in, My god, this thing can flip in

738
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 5: ten to fifteen years pretty heavily because what they've done

739
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 5: with the game, what they've done with the pitch count,

740
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 5: they sped it. I'm mean, used to go down there

741
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 5: and you're like, I'm gonna be down here for six hours.

742
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 2: Nay, nay. It's fabulous.

743
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 5: So I think they're making the changes they need to,

744
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 5: but my god, they need a marketing department to hammer

745
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 5: in this new generation.

746
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 2: I think they've done a lot of really good things

747
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 2: over the last two or three years. The problem is

748
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 2: those things should have been done twenty years ago. They're

749
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 2: playing on your lips to God's ears.

750
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 5: I mean, we've all been saying that it's been a debacle,

751
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 5: but it's exciting.

752
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 2: Even Look what we've done at the What a great

753
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 2: ballpark we have.

754
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, you travel around, we have some amazing bait ballparks

755
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 5: all across the United States, but bro, we're best.

756
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 2: Great American is a special place when the difference is

757
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: and I've talked about this with the workstopage thirty years

758
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 2: go thirty two years ago, or even going back further

759
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 2: eighty one strike baseball owners owned baseball teams and that

760
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 2: was like their primary source of income. Now there's a

761
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 2: lot of baseball owners that's part of their portfolio. It's

762
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 2: one of the portfolios. So like does that what does

763
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 2: that do to the franchise valuation?

764
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:17,959
Speaker 5: Well, it brings it back down to dollars and cents.

765
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 5: Let me think about it. If you've got this one

766
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 5: business that's pulling in this and this is how much

767
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 5: cashfall you're getting off of it, it doesn't matter what it's worth, right, Well,

768
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 5: I should gonta put debt on it. And you've got

769
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 5: all those other businesses you've got to make sure they

770
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 5: go as well. So I do think it comes down

771
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 5: to the dollar incense. And clearly baseball in this town

772
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 5: and many others was going on a dying It was

773
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 5: on a dying network. Reaches went an hour, people weren't winning.

774
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 5: So I think it's we're all shocked by it because

775
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 5: it happened quickly. But I do feel this could help

776
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 5: us in the long run because those that can get

777
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 5: their hooks into baseball now. And I know it's nine

778
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 5: nine bucks, but my guy, I mean my wife and

779
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 5: I went to Skyland the other night. Angel and I

780
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 5: go Skyland. We get a couple of Cony's. I get

781
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 5: a nice tea, she gets a die. Right, bro, it's

782
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 5: thirty five bucks. I think that's the best thirty five

783
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 5: bucks you can spend whenever you're feeling good. In hundreds, right,

784
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 5: and it is great, but you know what I'm saying,

785
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 5: ninety nine in the in the realm of things, but

786
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 5: it does get expensive if you're trying to watch that

787
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 5: soccer and this and that there. It can't but it

788
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 5: allows you to customize the menu.

789
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 2: What I think will be interesting is with the regional

790
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 2: sports networks. That's not just baseball, the clubs, Blue Jackets,

791
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 2: the Cleveland Cavaliers, a lot of NBA and NHL teams.

792
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 2: So where those franchises go with their media rights, what

793
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 2: those leagues do is going to be interesting.

794
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 5: Times are chie mce. You go up to watch a

795
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 5: little bit of that Dayton the dragons up there, that

796
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 5: would be cool. I think there's a lot of things

797
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 5: they can do with this. It's just the beginning, but

798
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 5: hopefully we're getting it on the right track.

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