1 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: Here's the deal, Hugh. 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,199 Speaker 2: Because we had Mike McDonald on the air with us yesterday, 3 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 2: our normal Wednesday schedule got blown to bits, right. I 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 2: know a lot of people were missing Mike Florio. Yeah, 5 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 2: we got a text from at least one person yesterday 6 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 2: who asked where Petros Papahakas was at four o'clock on 7 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:22,440 Speaker 2: yesterday's show. So we'll have our Wednesday programming on a Thursday. 8 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 2: Micha will join us in a matter of minutes from now. 9 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:27,159 Speaker 2: Petro's coming up at four. Brett Boone will join us 10 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 2: at five and talk some baseball as the EMS limp 11 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 2: home at four and nine. There were starting fifteen years. 12 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 2: And of course it's each your a weekend with the 13 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 2: statue of all that stuff. Fans getting the replica statue 14 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 2: by the way on Friday night tomorrow at T Mobile Park. 15 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 2: I got tickets by the way too to give away 16 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 2: for that game. We'll tell you how you can win 17 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 2: those as the show goes on. So lots of good stuff, man. 18 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 2: But man, we're sitting here at you dub and hoping 19 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 2: to talk to Ryan Walters, defensive coordinator at some point 20 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 2: today on the show. 21 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people. 22 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 2: You look at this Husky football team in year three, 23 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 2: your returning quarterback, they see an offensive line that looks 24 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 2: way different and way better than it did two years 25 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 2: ago when Jed Fish first showed up. Here a football 26 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 2: team that's got nowhere near the turnover that it had 27 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, when they had like what 28 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 2: fifty five new guys in your number one in a 29 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 2: schedule that's pretty manageable and maybe a shot at winning 30 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 2: double digit games in Jetfish's third year. What's your what's 31 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 2: your take? What's your what's your confidence level feel like 32 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 2: as a X Husky captain at starting quarterback on this 33 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 2: football team for your bla blah blater this year. 34 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 3: Well, I like what you see from Ryan Walters right, 35 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 3: Like you know, I'm just kind of reviewing some of 36 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 3: what they accomplished defensively. There's sixty eight Power four teams. 37 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 3: These are rankings among the sixty eight. You know, yards 38 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 3: per game, fifteen yards per rush, thirteen net yards per tempt, 39 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 3: eleven yards per reception ten They really avoided the big 40 00:01:55,680 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 3: play defensively. They were third best in powerful offensive touchdowns. 41 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 3: Now this is additionally filtered versus just Power four opponents. 42 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 3: Because we did a lot of Hey, how's the offense, 43 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 3: the Husky offense doing against just Power four. I don't 44 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 3: care what they do against UC Davis. You you filter 45 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 3: it with the Power four teams. Against Power four, just 46 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 3: eighteen touchdowns yielded by the Husky defense. That was fourth 47 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 3: best out of sixty eight Power four team. So the 48 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 3: numbers really cranked up. I'm curious to see what he does. 49 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 3: You know, obviously you lose Price Hock and you lose 50 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 3: to Carrie O. Davis, And you know, they played a 51 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 3: lot of single high structures, Dave, a lot of cover 52 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 3: one which is man man, a lot of three deep, 53 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 3: which is a single high. And that's what you would 54 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 3: expect when you have top level corners. So I think 55 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 3: that's going to be a question for coach Walters, is 56 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:51,959 Speaker 3: it does that proclivity to play those single high structures. 57 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 3: Does that change when you don't feel like you have 58 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 3: that level of a tandem. Remember only five guys got 59 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 3: invited to combine. Two of them were corners, right, and 60 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 3: so you know, not to say those questions can't be answered, 61 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 3: but from now until they are they're unanswered. 62 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, they were. 63 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 2: They were fifteenth and scoring defense a year ago, and 64 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 2: I'm kind of tracking you with the Power fourth thing. 65 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: Let's let's get all the other crap out of the way. 66 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 2: Let's get the Western Michigan's and the James Madisons and 67 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 2: the old Dominions and all that stuff out of the way. 68 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,519 Speaker 2: They were tenth and scoring and Power four last year 69 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 2: overall on defense. I mean, just among those conferences, they 70 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 2: were tenth in that class if you take out the 71 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 2: teams in front of them that did not play in 72 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 2: the Power four. 73 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 3: So right, man, But you're filtering there. You're including the 74 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 3: games against Wazoo, the games against right. 75 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 2: But I'm just talking about the Power four teams. What 76 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 2: they did overall, Yeah, among those teams, not versus other 77 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 2: Power four teams per se, but they were tenth. I 78 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 2: mean that means everybody else gets to include the crap 79 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 2: they played in September as well. 80 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, they had five games against top twenty or excuse me, 81 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 3: bottom twenty five defense. Let me say again, we're now 82 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 3: focusing on the Husky offense. Five games against the bottom 83 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 3: they went five to zero, But they lost all of 84 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 3: their games against the top top twenty five. So there 85 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 3: was a big discrepancy on the offensive side of the ball, 86 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 3: not so much defensively. They were far more consistent defensively. 87 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 2: Well, they've got to just start winning games against the 88 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 2: big dogs, right period. And the thing about this Husky 89 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 2: football team that I don't know, man, I mean, I 90 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 2: like it and in some ways I don't like it. 91 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just going back to last year. They 92 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 2: scored eighty one hundred and fifty, one hundred and sixty 93 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 2: seven points against CSU, UC Davis and Washington State, right, 94 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 2: and then those numbers started to drop dramatically when you 95 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 2: got into the Big Ten. 96 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, they hung. 97 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 2: Thirty eight on Rutgers, they put up forty two on Illinois, 98 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 2: forty nine on Purdue, forty eight against the downtrodden, beat 99 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 2: up UCLA football team. 100 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 1: But I don't really care how they do it, right, I. 101 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 2: Mean, the point to me is not just to score 102 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 2: points against the good teams on your schedule, or to 103 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 2: limit teams offensively against the good teams on your schedule. 104 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: It's just to win freakin games. That's it. I don't 105 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: give a damn how you do it. 106 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 2: So we're still waiting, I think, for that big signature victory. 107 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 2: We'll talk more about that later here we'll be at 108 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 2: udub all day. Let's get to Mike Florio right now. 109 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 4: It's time for a weekly conversation with Pro Football Talks 110 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 4: Mike Florio, brought to you by Simply Seattle. Tired of 111 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 4: buying and repping the same old Seattle sports gear everyone 112 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 4: else has. 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By the way, thank you so much well, and. 131 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 5: It's always it's great to be with my friend Hugh 132 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 5: and Simpson once said when he called most tavern, Hugh Jazz, 133 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 5: you and huge jazz. 134 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 2: Hey man, listen, Mike, Mike. Mike asked who was doing 135 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 2: the show and I said it's Hugh. He said, I'd 136 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 2: love to move to Thursday, no propm. All right if 137 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,679 Speaker 2: it wasn't for you, no way. But uh, Mike, before 138 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 2: we kind of dive into what's happening on the field, 139 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 2: there's this story about the Department of Justice today. 140 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: I got to ask him, Man, as a. 141 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 2: Guy that's covered the NFL for a long time, and 142 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 2: not that it really matters, but full disclosure, I used 143 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 2: to work with Diana Rassini here in Seattle about twelve 144 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 2: thirteen years ago. I've known her for a long time. 145 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 2: What's your take on this controversy involving Diana and Patriots 146 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 2: head coach Mike Rabel. 147 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 6: Well, the photos are with the other reports from the 148 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 6: New York Post. Is what it is. 149 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 5: The denials from Rabel and Versini are what they are. 150 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 5: The Athletic has issued its statement, and reasonable minds are 151 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 5: going to differ on what the photographs show, what they imply, 152 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 5: And the bigger picture is this. Frankly, now, there are 153 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 5: two questions. One one, how did these photos even come 154 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 5: to be? I'm curious about that. I know that's not 155 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 5: relevant going forward, but damn, and you have by accident 156 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 5: or by design, And it would be hard to believe 157 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 5: that someone was bird watching in Sedona and just happened 158 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 5: to see Mike Rabel and Diana Versini in a position 159 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 5: that could be characterized by. 160 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 6: Some as compromising. So I want to know how this 161 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 6: all came to be. Was there a PI involved, who 162 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 6: took these photos? How did they end up being sold 163 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 6: to published by the New York Post. That's one. The 164 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 6: second one in this is this, and this is. 165 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 5: A bigger picture of observation that applies in any walk 166 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 5: of life, any line of work. This is something my 167 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 5: dad taught me a long time ago, and I have 168 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 5: honored it throughout my life. In any situation, the challenge 169 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 5: is to figure out where the line is. Whatever the 170 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 5: line may be, whatever the rules may be, whatever it 171 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 5: is that may get you in trouble. Where is the line, 172 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 5: and then stay the hell away from it as far 173 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 5: away from it as you can, because when you get 174 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 5: close to the line, you get yourself into situations where 175 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,559 Speaker 5: you're gonna have to do some explaining, And the best 176 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 5: approach is to avoid any situation where you would ever 177 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 5: have to explain yourself, especially if people are going. 178 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 6: To be inclined to not believe you. And you know, 179 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 6: moving forward, it's gonna be tough for her. 180 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 5: She dropped them on trial balloon on Twitter today with 181 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 5: a very innocuous tweet, and it got overwhelmed with the 182 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 5: kind of toxic hate that we're used to seeing on Twitter. 183 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 5: And you know, we all have goldfish brains, we all 184 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 5: forget everything within a matter of a few days. I 185 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 5: don't know that this is one of those that's just 186 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 5: going to hard reset by Monday and we will have 187 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 5: forgotten about it. 188 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:52,839 Speaker 6: I think this is going to stick to. 189 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 5: Her for a long time, and it really raises questions 190 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 5: about her viability in the job that she currently has, 191 00:08:58,320 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 5: and we'll see how it goes. 192 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 3: Do you think that that means they're gonna move on 193 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 3: and just say it's the juice isn't worth the squeeze 194 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 3: for her. And then you know, obviously Vrabel's a Super 195 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 3: Bowl coach, so we're going to employ a different standard there. 196 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 3: But moving forward, how do you think this impacts their jobs? 197 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 5: Well, look, if other coaches had done this, had been 198 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 5: involved in this, whatever it is, whatever it is, the 199 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 5: pictures show whatever it is where somebody got close enough 200 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 5: to the line that people can can see things that 201 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 5: they want to see that may not be true, but 202 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 5: they're in a position to see them. That's two separate camps. 203 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 5: What the Patriots do is their own business. There's no 204 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 5: personal conduct policy violation at play here, presumably, but at 205 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 5: the same time, as it relates to Russini, moving forward, 206 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 5: it's the athletics business. But it becomes very difficult to 207 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 5: transact business as an NFL insider if Twitter becomes a 208 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 5: place where you can't you can't say anything without being 209 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 5: completely overwhelmed in your responses, which is exactly what happened. 210 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 3: Is that Mike Florio with this, Mike, you've got an 211 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 3: article here. The DOJ probe is about quote affordability in 212 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 3: creating an even playing field. End quote. You've got your 213 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 3: law degree, you know, give us a summary of what's 214 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 3: going on here. 215 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 5: Well, you know what, this is something that the NFL 216 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 5: could have gotten itself into at any point in the 217 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 5: last forty years, because and I'm trying to be concise 218 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 5: while also making sure the people who don't understand how 219 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 5: this works will have a good basis for at least. 220 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 6: Processing and digesting this. 221 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 5: All the way back in nineteen sixty one, the NFL 222 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 5: got an anitrust exemption from Congress so that it can 223 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 5: go to the networks and sell all of its games together. 224 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 5: This was a key to revenue sharing and the growth 225 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 5: of the league because there were popular teams and unpopular teams, 226 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 5: and if you have to sell them one team at 227 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 5: a time, like a Notre Dame package to NBC, you 228 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 5: would have a gross disparity and how much money the 229 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 5: teams make. So they locked arms red rover style back 230 00:10:57,720 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 5: in sixty one they got the exemption and they've been 231 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 5: selling the rights ever since. In the eighties, the first 232 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 5: time they sold a Sunday Night package and it was 233 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 5: like TBS or TNT that had half of the season, 234 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 5: and ESPN got involved. Once you start selling the rights 235 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 5: as a league to any cable, satellite or streaming companies. 236 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 5: That's when you're potentially exceeding the ani trust exemption. 237 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 6: And it's been happening for forty years. 238 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 5: And the Department of Justice, based upon my interpretation of 239 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 5: the reporting from the Wall Street Journal on ABC News, 240 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 5: the Justice Department is looking into whether and to what 241 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 5: extent the NFL has exceeded its exemption by doing business 242 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 5: as a league, not individual teams, but as a league 243 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 5: with ESPN for cable DirecTV and now YouTube for streaming. 244 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 6: First with Satellite for Sunday Ticket, now it's streaming. 245 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 5: You got the Netflix games, you got Amazon games, you 246 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 5: got YouTube games. Any four pay provider where the NFL 247 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,839 Speaker 5: sells as a league, not as individual teams arguably violate 248 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 5: the trust exemption, And my interpretation of this so far, 249 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 5: that's what the federal government's targeting, and the end result 250 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 5: could be that the NFL can no longer sell as 251 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 5: a league to anyone that isn't an FCC regulated over 252 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 5: the air three letter network, CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox. 253 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 6: That's it. Maybe PBS two, but that's it. No one else. 254 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 3: So do we interpret that there's any party that's been 255 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 3: damaged that might be in line for trouble damages typical 256 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 3: of anti trust Like, what's the remedy moving forward and 257 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 3: what does it mean for fans? 258 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 5: Great question, Q, because anyone could have filed a lawsuit 259 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 5: at any time, anyone who was aggrieved. But who's going 260 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 5: to file a lawsuit? It is like a content provider, 261 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 5: like a network. You know, if NBC or CBS or 262 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 5: Fox or ABC had ever sued the NFL for exceeding 263 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 5: its anti trust exemption, you're basically slamming the door on having. 264 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 6: A good relationship with the NFL in the future. 265 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 5: But there was several years ago, well actually it was 266 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 5: filed more than ten years ago, but the verdict came 267 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 5: out two years ago in the Sunday Ticket case, which 268 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 5: found those actions were an anti trust violation in the 269 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 5: NFL influence the pricing and it gets complicated quickly. But 270 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 5: the NFL influenced the pricing, and there's fourteen billion dollars 271 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 5: that the NFL could end up having to pay. This 272 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 5: is more along the lines of a governmental action, where 273 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 5: the end result. 274 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 6: Would be an injunction, a court order. 275 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,319 Speaker 5: Saying you must stop doing this, which is a hell 276 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 5: of a lot worse than having to write somebody a check. 277 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 5: This slams the door on your Amazon money, your YouTube money, 278 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 5: your Netflix. 279 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 6: Money, and even your ESPN money. 280 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 5: If it goes all the way to the edge of 281 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 5: you can only sell as a league to FCC regulated networks. 282 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 3: Final question on that with Mike Florio. So if that 283 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 3: were to happen, obviously there's the gross revenues and those 284 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 3: determined the salary cap and what have you. Could you 285 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 3: see then revenues diminishing and then a stalling of the 286 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 3: salary cap, Like, how is this going to impact the 287 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 3: game in any way that we can measure? 288 00:13:58,280 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, there's two ways this goes. 289 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 5: As it relates to what the Department of Justice is 290 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 5: currently doing. The end result, if it would ultimately come 291 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,479 Speaker 5: to fruition, would be the league can only sell packages 292 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 5: to the. 293 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 6: Over the air networks of the world. 294 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 5: Now they could try to sell individualized streaming practices that 295 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 5: would create disparities in revenue. 296 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 6: You could do that. 297 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 5: The bigger issue, which still is in play, is whether 298 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 5: or not Congress swings back around. 299 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 6: It just takes the whole ay An. 300 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 5: Trust exemption away that could still happen, all of it gone, 301 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 5: and if that happens, that creates chaos for the NFL 302 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 5: because then the Cowboys do their deal with whoever pays 303 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 5: them the most money, the Jaguars do their deal with 304 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 5: whoever pays them the most. 305 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 6: Money, and all others in between. 306 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 5: It would blow up the salary cap because think of 307 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 5: it this way. If we're going to fund the salary 308 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 5: cap with all revenues realized by all teams, and you've 309 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 5: got some teams making dramatically more than others, it's going 310 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 5: to carve into the profit margins of the teams that 311 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 5: aren't getting as much as the most popular teams. 312 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 6: And you're going to have teams. 313 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 5: That have no profit or operate in the red to 314 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 5: try to set out the annual salary cap. In more importantly, 315 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 5: for these purposes, salary floor, there's a minimum you've got 316 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 5: to spend. You're gonna have teams that are hard pressed 317 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 5: to make the minimum. That's the nuclear option. And here's 318 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 5: the background of all this. The NFL is going back 319 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 5: around to the networks right now trying to get more 320 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 5: under deals that are already settled for twenty six through 321 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 5: twenty nine. Usually when negotiations happen, it's about what's going 322 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 5: to be paid after the current deal. Ence, this is 323 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 5: the first time. The NFL is saying, we know you 324 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 5: still have rights for four more years. We want you 325 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 5: to pay more than what we already agreed that you 326 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 5: would pay us. They're starting with CBS. The belief is 327 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 5: the go to Fox next, and the belief is Fox, 328 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 5: through Rupert Murdoch, who ultimately owns the company, is behind 329 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 5: all of this, pushing the political buttons to try to 330 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 5: put pressure on the NFL to back off. 331 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 6: That's the real world. 332 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 5: Belief as to what's making all of this come to 333 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 5: a head. After it's it's the thing that's been hiding 334 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 5: in playing sight for forty years. 335 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 6: Again, from the moment they sold their first cable package. 336 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 6: That's the moment this argument could have been made. 337 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: Right Mike, great stuff. Man, appreciate this again. 338 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your flexibility, my friend, and 339 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 2: we will talk next Wednesday. 340 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: Man, appreciate it, dude, see you, thank you, k. 341 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, see you, Mike. 342 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 2: Whatever, we'll get a break. We got a lot more 343 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 2: to get to. Petros Papadaka is going to join us, 344 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 2: by the way, at four o'clock normally on a Wednesday, 345 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 2: but he had yesterday off with his family. He'll join 346 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 2: us at four h Brett Boone as well, gonna stop 347 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 2: by a five o'clock courtesy of our friends over at 348 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 2: Venue Kings dot com Talk a little Baseball. MS four 349 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 2: and nine off to their worst start in fifteen years. 350 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 2: This is not the movie that we signed up for, 351 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 2: by the way, at least not for the first week 352 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 2: and a half of twenty twenty six. We've got to break, 353 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 2: but not before a master's update Life from Augusta with 354 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 2: Westwood One right here on ninety three three KJRFM. 355 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 7: From the R and R Foundation specialist broadcast studio. Now 356 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 7: back to SOFTI and Dick on your home for the Huskies, 357 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 7: Kraken and the twelfth Man Sports Radio ninety three point 358 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 7: three kJ R film. 359 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: All right, we are back. 360 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 2: Here we go on a Thursday afternoon live from u 361 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 2: dub Spring football practice UWDC. Ryan Walter is gonna join 362 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 2: us around I'd say, what's six oh five or so 363 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,360 Speaker 2: tonight before we get the crack and pregame with Mike 364 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 2: Benton good night to have him on, considering the press 365 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 2: conference at the k c I all the news coming 366 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 2: out of the kracking in the last couple of days, 367 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 2: So Michael join us around six fifteen, right before their 368 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 2: pregame show starts Petros at four o'clock. Brett Boone's gonna 369 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 2: join us as well at five, and Hugh Obviously, it's 370 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 2: a big weekend for each Row, former teammate of Boonies. 371 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 2: Each Euro finished first in the two thousand and one 372 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 2: MVP race and Brett Boone finished third behind him and 373 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 2: Jason Giambi. So I know Boonie's got some each hero 374 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 2: stories that we'll get to, yeh at five o'clock. 375 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: But I did. 376 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 2: I did throw a poll out, by the way, on Twitter, 377 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 2: asking fans earlier today how concerned they are about the 378 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 2: four nine start by this baseball team, And so far 379 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 2: there's been a lot of votes coming in. Uh, forty 380 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 2: nine percent say they're slightly concerned, thirty nine percent say 381 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 2: they're massively concerned, twelve percent say they're not concerned at all. 382 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 1: How would you have voted in my poll today, Pelle. 383 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 3: I wouldn't say. I would say one up from not 384 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 3: concerned at all? 385 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: Okay, got you? Got you? 386 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, because you've got at least some data that you 387 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 3: know they've got a disappointing start. I did do some 388 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 3: some number crunching on this that I think usually when I, 389 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 3: you know, endeavor to to to present statistics, it's usually 390 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 3: with an angle that I want to persuade you of 391 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 3: my conclusion. Right, Okay, this can almost more of just 392 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 3: kind of like public service. You can draw whatever conclusion 393 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 3: you want. I'm just gonna present the facts and and 394 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 3: the and this is the endeavor. What I want to 395 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 3: do is say, okay, you played thirteen games. You're four 396 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 3: and nine, right, so you've got a thirteen game In statistics, 397 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 3: they call that a sliding window of the season. At 398 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 3: any time after the thirteenth game, you can look back 399 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 3: and you say, hey, how are we in our last 400 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 3: thirteen games? Does that make sense? You can't do that 401 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 3: after game seven. You can only do that from game 402 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 3: thirteen through game one sixty two. Right, So you've got 403 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 3: exactly one hundred and fifty per year where you can 404 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 3: say these sliding windows. You could call them a block 405 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 3: of thirteen games. And the question is how often have 406 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 3: the Mariners in recent years gone four and nine or worse? 407 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 3: In that thirteen game sliding window? 408 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: Got me yep, yep. 409 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 3: So obviously this year you've just got one because you're 410 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 3: in the thirteenth game, last year, you had eight of 411 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty. That's five point three percent. You 412 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 3: had eight sliding windows blocks of thirteen games where you 413 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 3: could you know, at the end of that game, you 414 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 3: could say, hey, in our last thirteen games, we're four 415 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 3: and nine, exactly four and nine, and then there was 416 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:19,199 Speaker 3: another one. There was another three where you only had 417 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 3: three wins, so you were third, three and ten obviously, 418 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 3: So that's seven point three percent of the time last 419 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 3: year on a ninety win team. Now they started in 420 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 3: the last three years, they started five and eight last year, 421 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 3: five and eight, the year before and five and eight, 422 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 3: So this is four straight years where they've been five 423 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 3: and eight or worse. In twenty twenty two, I really 424 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 3: I had originally done it in twenty twenty one, but 425 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 3: I thought with Julio and cal As kind of the 426 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 3: basis of the offense, and you know, they've obviously improved 427 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 3: their pitching, and their pitching has been solid for a 428 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,239 Speaker 3: few years. But going back to twenty twenty two, they 429 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,479 Speaker 3: were seven and six, But the last four years, counting 430 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 3: this year, they've been five and eight or worse. To start, Now, 431 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 3: this is a this is a and I'll wrap it 432 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 3: so you can comment the Mariners in net runs are 433 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 3: minus two this year. Last year when they were five 434 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 3: and eight, they were minus fifteen net runs. The year 435 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 3: before that, they were mine after thirteen games to start 436 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 3: the season. In twenty twenty four, they were minus twenty 437 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 3: one in net runs, in the year before that, minus two, 438 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 3: and then plus eight in twenty twenty two. So if 439 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 3: you if you, uh, here's the summary of it. You 440 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 3: go over the last four years, how many times have 441 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 3: they been exactly four and nine? The answer is thirty 442 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 3: five out of six hundred that's five point eight percent. 443 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 3: How many times have they been four and nine or 444 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 3: worse out of six hundred blocks, Well, you got, uh, 445 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 3: you got seven point three percent, seven point three percent 446 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 3: of the time they have a block of games exactly 447 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 3: thirteen games where they are this record or worse. So 448 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 3: I don't know if that strikes you as frequent or infrequent, 449 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 3: but there's the down. 450 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I would just say there's a difference 451 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,959 Speaker 2: between going four and nine to start a year and 452 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 2: going four and nine in late August when you're fifteen 453 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 2: games up on first place already, right, I mean, the 454 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 2: four and nine could hurt you. Four and nine couldn't 455 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,360 Speaker 2: hurt you at all. It's all about the impact, right. 456 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 2: I mean, does four and nine lead to five and fifteen, 457 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 2: which leads to seven and twenty, right? Or does four 458 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 2: and nine lead to a fourteen and four run like 459 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 2: they had last year after they started the year five 460 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 2: and eight. So I mean, guys, I'm just looking at 461 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 2: this hole that they're in right now. I don't think 462 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 2: it's anything that people need to panic about, or that 463 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,199 Speaker 2: the team is panicking about. I do think though, that 464 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 2: when you live in a day and age and we 465 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 2: got to break here in a minute, yea, that when 466 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 2: you live in a day and age where tie breakers 467 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 2: matter and series wins matter when it comes to tie 468 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 2: breakers at the end of the year, I mean, you're 469 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 2: already down to Texas and you're down to the Yankees, 470 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 2: which could be two teams that you could be fighting 471 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 2: for for either a a division championship or be the 472 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 2: number one seed or even the number two seed in 473 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 2: the American League playoffs. So you know, everything matters, right, 474 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 2: And what I'm getting a little bit kind of not 475 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 2: tired by. I'm not gonna say I'm exhausted by it, 476 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,439 Speaker 2: but I don't want to just give guys a pass 477 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 2: because they're not hitting the ball in April, right, like 478 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 2: this thing with Julio Franks. This is now five years 479 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 2: in a row where Julio's gotten off to a slow start, 480 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 2: and I just think it's it's got to be addressed. 481 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 2: It's got to be fixed, because man, if these guys 482 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 2: finish a game out of first place or a game 483 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 2: out of a playoff spot, they look back and they 484 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 2: see forty four struggling for the first thirteen games of 485 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 2: the year, Cal Rowley struggling, or Josh Naylor's struggling, Like 486 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 2: these games matter, all of them matter, right, you know, 487 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 2: It's like it's not cute that all of a sudden 488 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 2: Julio gets going when the weather heats up. I mean, 489 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 2: he's paid like a star. Cal's paid like a star, 490 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 2: Josh Naylor's paid like a star. Right now, those guys 491 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 2: aren't playing like it. So I don't know if man, 492 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 2: I'm just I'm not gonna freak out at all, But 493 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 2: I do think there is a point view where if 494 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 2: things continue, I mean, how many more games do they 495 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 2: have to lose? How many more series do they have 496 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 2: to lose before we start to get really concerned about this. 497 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 2: If they lose three out of four, are we having 498 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 2: a different conversation on Tuesday morning? 499 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 1: Yeah? 500 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 3: Probably every time. Well, and to answer your question, last year, 501 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 3: the last time that they were four games or worse 502 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,239 Speaker 3: in a thirteen block segment was August thirtieth. From that 503 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 3: point on, there were twenty six more games, and they 504 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 3: averaged eight point five wins and over the last Holy cowan, 505 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,679 Speaker 3: just looking at this at the end the last twelve games, 506 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 3: they were ten, ten, eleven, twelve, twelve, twelve, twelve, twelve, twelve, twelve, eleven, 507 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 3: ten and nine. Right, they were in fuego. 508 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 1: Not all four nine is are built the same? Is 509 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 1: the point? Right? Not at all? 510 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 2: I don't know, Hey, he me just jumping. We gotta 511 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 2: break right, Well, let's continue this conversation. Petros will joined 512 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 2: us at four o'clock. We're live at ub for spring 513 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 2: football right here on ninety three three KJRFM from the R. 514 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 7: And R Foundation Specialist broadcast studio. Now back to SOFTI 515 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 7: and Dick on your home for the Huskies, Kraken and 516 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 7: the twelfth Man Sports Radio ninety three point three KJR FM. 517 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 2: All right, we are back week number two Husky football 518 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 2: spring practice. The defensive coordinator Ryan Walters will join us 519 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 2: coming up in the six o'clock hour. They've made some 520 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 2: changes obviously to their roster. You know, all Eyes Hughey 521 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 2: are going to be on this Derreck Coleman Brusaw kid, 522 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 2: the pure freshman defensive end, local kid. It's funny how 523 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 2: they're going to be relying this year on a pure 524 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 2: freshman defensive end and Derreck Coleman Brusa and probably ninety 525 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,719 Speaker 2: five percent certain it'll be a pure freshman left tackle 526 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 2: in Cody Green, who went to Matter Day after spending 527 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 2: his high school career up in Sea Out but went 528 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 2: down there for one year and then came back. I 529 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 2: don't know if either one of these guys plays if 530 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 2: this is ten years ago, right, but they've got to 531 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 2: play them because they are four or five star recruits. 532 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 2: They're probably both highly paid when it comes to nil, 533 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 2: and if you don't play them, then they're gonna transfer 534 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 2: and go somewhere else, and then somebody else will bear 535 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 2: the fruits of that labor. 536 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, man, how nervous would you be? 537 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 2: And maybe it's different for a mobile guy like a 538 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 2: Demon Williams, And maybe it's different for a kid growing 539 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 2: up in this era, How nervous would you have been 540 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 2: with a eighteen year old kid protecting your blind side? 541 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 3: By the way, it depends how good he is. But 542 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,199 Speaker 3: I mean in theory of modern day, I'll put it 543 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 3: this way. They're in the Trinity League down in southern California. 544 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 3: I believe objectively that is the number one conference in 545 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 3: America for high school football. Got I mean they got 546 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,479 Speaker 3: Bosco and OLU, Orange Lutheran and all that. I mean 547 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 3: that that is the highest caliber of high school football 548 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 3: you can get. And when they've traveled, you know, they're undefeated. 549 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: Nobody is. 550 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 3: But they've got a better record than any conference. I mean, 551 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 3: they can go to Bishop Gorman, they can go to 552 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 3: IMG down in Florida. That I mean that league is 553 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 3: is stout. 554 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 6: You know. 555 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 3: So that would give me more Uh, that would give 556 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,400 Speaker 3: me more comfort. But you know, I thought you were, 557 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 3: you know, on the thirty third team yesterday. I'm on 558 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 3: and they had a presentation about the nil and in 559 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,719 Speaker 3: some of the numbers, and I was clicking away on 560 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 3: my phone on the on the screens and it says, Okay, 561 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 3: this is the screen that I'm looking off. Tackle market 562 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 3: value tiers A level starter minimum earnings one point two 563 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 3: million maximum What does it say? Two point eighty six million? Wow, 564 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 3: Like that's the era that we're in. You mentioned a 565 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 3: second ago what you're paying these guys. So if you 566 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 3: want to left tackle, of course, if the thirty third 567 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,679 Speaker 3: team right sources are right, you're you're living in a 568 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 3: window at the minimum of one point two three million, 569 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 3: if we want to be precise, and up to two 570 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 3: point eighty six million. You know figure figure for a 571 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 3: high recruit like that, you know it's probably north of 572 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 3: two million. 573 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 2: Well, well, and again you're not sitting a guy playing 574 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 2: that's making that much money, you know. I mean I 575 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 2: just Dick and I had this conversation a couple of 576 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 2: weeks ago about, you know, is it more important to 577 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 2: kill it in the portal or more important to kill 578 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 2: it in high school recruiting. 579 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 1: I mean, Washington's got a really good class. I think they're, you. 580 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 2: Know, top ten in the country right now, top five 581 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 2: to top three or four to the Big ten, whatever 582 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 2: it is. But I get a little nervous that some 583 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 2: of these kids are gonna come in here, they're not 584 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 2: gonna play, They're gonna get developed by this coaching staff, 585 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,479 Speaker 2: and then somebody else is gonna bear the fruits of 586 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 2: their labor when they transfer and go play for somebody else. 587 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 2: And I mean, look, I have to look on data. 588 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 2: There is no alternative, none at all. 589 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: Zero. I mean, you got to play these guys, right, 590 00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: You got no choice. 591 00:28:58,760 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 3: You got to play the game. 592 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, although they take off. 593 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 2: So but the question is, again, if you're spending money 594 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 2: right like this, This was the genesis of the conversation. 595 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 2: If you're Daddy Warbucks donor and you've got I don't know, 596 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 2: ten million bucks to give the jetfish, five million bucks 597 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 2: to give the Jetfish, are you telling him, Hey, I 598 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 2: want you to go out. I want you to spend 599 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 2: the majority of this money on the best high school 600 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 2: football players in America and turn them into stars and 601 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 2: play them right away. Or I want you to spend 602 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 2: the majority of this money jed on the biggest names 603 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 2: available in the portal, guys that I know were established, 604 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 2: that are already coached up and ready to play and 605 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 2: kick ass right now in college football. 606 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: Where are you spending your money? 607 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that we are so young in this 608 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 3: to try and point to models that would be most efficient. 609 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 3: You're almost you're just kind of going on your gut 610 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 3: and your intuition as opposed to any data. I rear 611 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 3: that okay right now? As we know, as a reminder, 612 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 3: the reigning college football champions Indiana, they had fifty seven 613 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 3: cent of their starters were transferred, obviously more than half. 614 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 3: And then we just saw Michigan a couple of nights 615 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 3: ago with a five out of five starters on transfer. 616 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 3: Like this, that's the ear where if you just came 617 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 3: out of a coma, oh brother, do we got some 618 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 3: news for you? Because what you thought, you what you 619 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 3: last remembered, it ain't that picture anymore. So you know, 620 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 3: I think Jed Fish, uh, you know, he said it publicly, 621 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 3: I have no reason to think it's not what he's 622 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 3: he's saying privately, or at least to his team privately. 623 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 3: You know, he has a very pragmatic approach to it. 624 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,959 Speaker 3: It's like, hey, we're not going to sit around here 625 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 3: and bitch about how things are changed or what is us. 626 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 3: We're just gonna say, this is the new climate, and 627 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 3: we got to figure out how to win in this climate. 628 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 3: And so I admire that about his approach and uh, 629 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 3: and and it has to be the approach. But to 630 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 3: answer your question, look, I've given that a lot of thought. 631 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 3: I don't think there's you know, there's no facts upon 632 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 3: which I can I can base the decision. I would 633 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 3: say it is some type of a blend, which is 634 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 3: a very unsatisfactory answer for you on a radio show. 635 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 3: You want me to take a take a stand. I 636 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 3: just don't know how to take that stand. No, I 637 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 3: mean it's both. 638 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 2: Wow, I think, I think, But that's why I said that, 639 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 2: even I got to go back and look at the 640 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 2: data because I don't know either. 641 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: My gut is that My gut is. 642 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 2: That it would be I'd rather have the established guys. 643 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 2: And maybe I'm just recency biased, living in the moment 644 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 2: after what Signetti just did, right, and I'm just kind 645 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 2: of maybe, you know, just remembering that. But I could 646 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 2: absolutely see who how a college football coach would say, hey, look, 647 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 2: every school's got twenty million, and then you do the nil, 648 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 2: the third party nil on top of that. So if 649 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 2: you're giving me, if if if fifteen of the twenty 650 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 2: million is going to football, and you're telling me how 651 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 2: I can spend that money, well, first of all, it 652 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 2: depends on the context of that season. 653 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: You know what I need. 654 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 2: For example, But number two, I can see a coach 655 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 2: saying I'd rather go out and spend the money on 656 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 2: established dudes that are gonna be this their last stop 657 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 2: or more likely to make this their last stop, versus 658 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 2: going out and getting a high school football player that 659 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 2: looks good on the hoof on tape and look good 660 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 2: against high school players. 661 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 1: But I got no idea what. 662 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 2: This guy's gonna do when he gets to Division one 663 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 2: college football. And even if he does play well, he 664 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 2: might not play well for two or three years, and 665 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 2: I'm gonna coach him up and then somebody else is 666 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 2: gonna get the benefit from that. So I could absolutely 667 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 2: see how a coach would say, I want to get 668 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 2: the established students. Hey, Hugh, let's do this now. We 669 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 2: gotta break We're gonna break up because Petros is gonna 670 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 2: be up next segment. We can pick up this conversation 671 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 2: later in the show. Brett boot At five will continue 672 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 2: from UB Spring Football. Petros skipped out on yesterday's show 673 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 2: for once, it wasn't my fault. He'll join us next 674 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 2: on ninety three to three KJARFM