1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: It's Nightside with Dan Ray. I'm WBZ, Boston's news radio. 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 2: As the announcer gentlemen said, this is Nightside with Dan Ray. 3 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 2: I've been away for about two weeks, and I am 4 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 2: back tonight for my first show of twenty twenty six. 5 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 2: And if you're listening to Nightside, thank you for listening 6 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:25,240 Speaker 2: to Nightside, and certainly thank you if you're contemplating calling in, because, 7 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 2: as I have said many times, this is a talk program. 8 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 2: I am the talk show host. There is one talk 9 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 2: show host, namely me. This is not a program that 10 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 2: has six people sitting around a table. Sometimes you watch 11 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 2: the particularly the sports shows when you see them broadcast 12 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 2: on television, or you listen to the radio and there's 13 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 2: five guys all talking at one another and over one another. 14 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 2: That's not that what we do here. This is an 15 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 2: individual talk show where I'm here four hours a night, 16 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 2: Monday through Friday, from eight until midnight. We take callers 17 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:05,839 Speaker 2: from nine until midnight. I'm here for the first time 18 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 2: this year. I've been away for a few days, and 19 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 2: at some point, perhaps even as early as tomorrow night, 20 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 2: we can talk about that. But we have more important 21 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 2: issues to talk about tonight because a lot has happened 22 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 2: since our last I get together on December third, back 23 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five. If you remember twenty twenty five, 24 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 2: which is now clearly in our rear view mirror, we 25 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 2: maybe never thought it would end well it did. And 26 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 2: now we're on to twenty twenty six, and we start 27 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 2: off tonight talking about what happened in Minneapolis yesterday, and 28 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 2: we know a lot of the facts of the case. 29 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 2: The worst aspect of the case is that there was 30 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 2: a woman, thirty seven year old woman, and I've heard 31 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 2: different reports. She leaves a wife, and I've heard one 32 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 2: child or three children. I'm not sure which. Either way, 33 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:09,839 Speaker 2: it was a horrific result. The woman renamed Nicole Good 34 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 2: was driving a burgundy Honda Pilot s u V. And Uh, 35 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 2: there there's gonna be different perspectives here. There were with 36 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 2: everybody has watched the shots being fired by the ice 37 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 2: agent who at one point had circled her car. I'm 38 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 2: going to get back to this in a second, but Uh, 39 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 2: there's there's some I think there's some responsibility to go around. Uh. 40 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 2: First off, I think that it's good advice for any 41 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:51,679 Speaker 2: nightside listeners. Two follow orders of police officers. If you 42 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 2: or I are pulled over for speeding or because we 43 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 2: have a headlight or uh a brake light out, Uh, 44 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 2: you're very right to ask the police officer, g officer, 45 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 2: what did I do or anything like that, and the 46 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 2: officer should tell you. You know, look, you're going faster. 47 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 2: It's a forty five mile an hour and they're going 48 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 2: to ask for a license and registration, and you have 49 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 2: an obligation to provide them the license and registration. I'm 50 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 2: reminded by a friend of mine today who's a police 51 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 2: officer in New Hampshire, that there seems to be a 52 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 2: group of people up there who consider themselves free staters 53 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 2: or they're not residents of any state and therefore they 54 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 2: don't believe that they have to have a license. Well, 55 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 2: in fact, in order to operate a vehicle on our roads, 56 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 2: you have to have a license. And I think most 57 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 2: normal people, most rational people, understand that you just don't 58 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 2: get into a car and drive if you don't have 59 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 2: a license. Okay, it's as simple as that. You just 60 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 2: don't go to the airport any longer and just walk 61 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 2: to the gate without clearing tsa security. There are things 62 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 2: that we have to comply with. And I think when 63 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 2: the ice officers asked this woman who tragically lost her 64 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 2: life to turn off her engine and get out of 65 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 2: the car, she should have followed. She should have followed 66 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 2: that order. Now as she started to drive away, I 67 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 2: think all of us have seen. There were two officers 68 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 2: that had approached the car on the driver's side, and 69 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 2: this other officer was videotaping as he walked around to 70 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 2: the front of the car. 71 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 3: Uh. 72 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 2: And he was not directly in front of the car, 73 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 2: but he was in front of the left hand side 74 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 2: of the car. Now I walked. I read a Washington 75 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:51,919 Speaker 2: Post breakdown of this. Today, I read a breakdown in 76 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 2: the New York Times UH, in which they made the point, 77 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 2: which I thought was legitimate, that the officer could have 78 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 2: stepped out of the way and did not have to 79 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 2: fire his weapon. Again, this is going to come down 80 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 2: to a case of what is in the mind of 81 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 2: the officer, what with the circumstances. I would like to know, 82 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 2: and I've heard different opinions, but I'd like to know 83 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 2: facts as to was this woman just a driver who 84 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 2: came upon a scene which an ice operation in a 85 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 2: suburb of part of Minneapolis. I guess, not the downtown 86 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 2: part of Minneapolis, but about a mile away. I guess, 87 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 2: so it would have been like a West Roxbury if 88 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 2: you will, just to localize it. And there's some suggestion 89 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 2: that she had stopped her vehicle there in order to 90 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 2: impede the ICE operation. Those facts are will ultimately come out, 91 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:57,119 Speaker 2: I'm assuming, but I think tonight there's probably an ICE 92 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 2: officer who's not sleeping well. No one in that position 93 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 2: wants to do what he did, which which I'm sure 94 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,720 Speaker 2: he's going to say that he was in fear for 95 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 2: his life and he was in fear for the life 96 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 2: of others. God only knows what the driver thought. I mean, 97 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 2: the last thing she saw was a gun being pointed 98 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 2: at her. So I'd like to just open a conversation 99 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 2: here and try to keep it civil. I think there's 100 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 2: a lot of mistakes that were made here. I think 101 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 2: that the way in which ICE has landed in some 102 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 2: communities can be criticized. I think the fact that some 103 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 2: localities like Chicago and like Minneapolis have not cooperated with ICE. 104 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 2: I have a lot to say on this, to be 105 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 2: really honest with you, but I would like to say 106 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 2: it over time. I don't want to go into a 107 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 2: long die a monologue right now. So I'm going to 108 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 2: invite you to join the conversation and tell me what 109 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 2: you think. And let's deal with this as we always 110 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 2: do in a responsible conversation. Uh, if you're somebody who 111 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 2: is so blind from one side or the other, will 112 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 2: probably have a tough conversation. But if you're somebody who 113 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 2: wants to talk about it rationally here in North America's 114 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 2: back porch, six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty, 115 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 2: I'll probably say that number one thousand times in the 116 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 2: next month. I'll say maybe a thousand. Maybe i'll say 117 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 2: ten thousand times in the next year. Write it down. 118 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 2: Six one seven, two, five, four ten thirty. Six one seven, 119 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 2: nine three one ten thirty. Also eight eight, eight, nine, two, nine, 120 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 2: ten thirty. My name's Dan Ray. This is ninth side. 121 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 2: Your thoughts on everything that has happened in Minneapolis in 122 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 2: the last forty eight hours. I know that there are 123 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 2: demonstrations in Boston, and I know that there are demonstrations 124 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 2: in Minneapolis and probably in other cities. We are a 125 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 2: deeply divided nation here, but I do think we can 126 00:07:55,280 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 2: still have rational conversation about a tragedy that has taken 127 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 2: in the life of a woman who should be alive tonight. 128 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 2: It's as simple as that. Back on night Side, more 129 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 2: phone with your phone calls, get the year started, and 130 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 2: we will probably go at least two hours in this 131 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 2: maybe more. I would potentially get to Venezuela later tonight. 132 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 2: I have opinions on that as well, but that's what 133 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 2: a talk show host is supposed to have. Opinions, opinions 134 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 2: and callers. We can exchange ideas, exchange thoughts and opinions 135 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 2: here on Nightside, and we do what I think as 136 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 2: good as well as any group of listeners in the nation. 137 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 2: I'm very proud of you. We will have our tough conversations, 138 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 2: but that's what it's all about. Back on Nightside after. 139 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: This, You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, 140 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: Boston's news radio. 141 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone. We are well into our first program 142 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 2: of the year, my first program. I'm back behind the microphone, 143 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 2: in front of the microphone. Wherever the heck the microph Oh, 144 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 2: it's right here in front of my mouth. My name 145 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 2: is Dan Ray. I'm the host of Nightside, I heard 146 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 2: every Monday through Friday night and believe me going forward. 147 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 2: You're gonna hear me every money from Friday until probably 148 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 2: sometime in April to before I have another night off. 149 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 2: But we're talking about Minneapolis, uh, and it is a 150 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,839 Speaker 2: bad situation out there. I want to get to phone calls. 151 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 2: I have plenty of sound to play, both from some 152 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 2: of the politicians in Minnesota, the governor and the mayor 153 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 2: of Minneapolis, the mayor of Minnesota, also from Vice President Vance. 154 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 2: But I'm going to start off with Jane from Shrewsbury. Jane, 155 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 2: you are the first caller this year on Night Side. 156 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 2: I wish I could give you a medal or a prize, 157 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 2: but thanks for calling in. How are you? 158 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 4: I'll tack a medal of a prise. Dan, I'm fine, Happy. 159 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 2: New Year, same to you. What's your thoughts? 160 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 4: Welcome back. 161 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 2: I'm happy to be back. I was quite a distance away. 162 00:09:55,840 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 2: Maybe talk about it tomorrow night. What's what's your taken? 163 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 2: What has transpired in the last thirty six hours in Minneapolis. 164 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 4: I have a few ideas which shouldn't be surprised, right 165 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 4: And I do have a concern for police that I 166 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 4: want to mention because I know you're very concerned about police. 167 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 4: But I think it's premature for Washington to be commenting 168 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 4: on this without an investigation. I hope they'll be local 169 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 4: investigation as well as FBI and different agencies. It's obviously 170 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 4: very distressing to many people, but in general, I think 171 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:41,079 Speaker 4: ICE is the whole ICE project is wasting a lot 172 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 4: of tax payer money. And I understand that they've shifted 173 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 4: money away from regular law enforcement into ICE. And you 174 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 4: have these crews going around, you know, capturing one person 175 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 4: like Ramesa oz Turk from tough multiple people. Someone had 176 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 4: to track her all this time, and money is being 177 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 4: put into this immigration search, and personally I don't agree 178 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 4: with a lot of it. But when I think it 179 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 4: was when George Floyd died, people start to defunding the police, 180 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 4: and I don't believe in that. I think we can 181 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 4: all reevaluate our police department, our school department, our town government, 182 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 4: city government. But everyone wants to be able to call 183 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 4: nine one one when there's an emergency, and the police 184 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,679 Speaker 4: is a force as well as a service. We all 185 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 4: want to feel free to call. So as a supporter 186 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 4: of police myself, I think this kind of instigation of 187 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 4: problem is actually bad for the local law enforcement, State 188 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 4: police municipal police, because people's reactions are going to be 189 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,439 Speaker 4: to potentially go after cops. You know, remember there were 190 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 4: some cops who got shot just in sort of retribution 191 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 4: for a police involved shooting. So I think this whole 192 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 4: thing of ice endangers. 193 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 2: Okay, let me ask you a couple of questions. Okay, yeah, 194 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 2: you know that there are approximate anywhere between fifteen and 195 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 2: eighteen million people who are in this country, some of 196 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 2: whom are pretty bad actors, not all. What do we 197 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 2: do with anything about them? Do we basically say, hey, 198 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 2: they're here, they got across the border during the Biden presidency. 199 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 2: Let's let them alone and let them let them, you know, 200 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 2: just incorporate themselves into this country. What do we do 201 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:34,319 Speaker 2: about it? If anything in your mind? 202 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 4: No, I don't think we just ignore any just anybody 203 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 4: or someone who is a criminal. But a lot of 204 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 4: the people aren't criminals. 205 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 2: No, I understand that, and I'm not suggesting that arresting. 206 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 2: If you've listened you listen to my show, I commented 207 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 2: on with the tough student who was arrested. 208 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 5: And I said, I remember that that was a mistake. 209 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 2: So we agree on that. So my question to you 210 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 2: is there was an election in twenty twenty for and 211 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 2: one of the issues was open borders and immigration. And 212 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:12,839 Speaker 2: you have now an election result, okay, which essentially the 213 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 2: president who was elected, and whether you voted for him, 214 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 2: I voted for him, is irrelevant. He was he was elected. 215 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 2: You would you acknowledged that, correct, of course, okay. And 216 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 2: I would say that that one of the reasons he 217 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 2: was elected was the American electorate wanted something to be 218 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 2: done about the number of people who had committed the 219 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 2: country illegally. So are you suggesting that that they do 220 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 2: it differently, and if so, tell me how. 221 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 4: Well. I'm certainly no expert, so I can't say that 222 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 4: I would know how. But I know that Biden made 223 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 4: some mistakes at the border. And I'm not a Biden 224 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 4: supporter either. 225 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 2: No, no, I just he he had a policy which 226 00:13:58,280 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 2: was open borders, come on. 227 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 4: But he did start to close it down at the end, 228 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 4: and Trump has continued that, So that's good. I just 229 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 4: don't understand this hunt for people, many of whom aren't criminals. 230 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 4: That's list, But I don't. 231 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 2: Get Let's put that aside for a moment. Let's put 232 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 2: that aside for a moment, Okay, and let's assume that 233 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 2: they say, Okay, we are only going to go after 234 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 2: people who we know are here and have serious criminal records. 235 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 2: Would you support that? 236 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 4: Would I support that they're only going to go after 237 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 4: people like that? 238 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 2: Yeah? Is that? Yeah? What about if they said, look, 239 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 2: we're not going to go after the people who are working, 240 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 2: you know, in a meat factory or working on a farm, 241 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 2: but we're going after we think that out of the 242 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 2: twenty million or so of this three or four million 243 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 2: who have some serious, serious gang affiliations or serious criminal records. 244 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 2: Would you support that? 245 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 4: I would support Trump to get people who are criminals 246 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 4: or in gangs and that sort of thing. I just 247 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 4: don't think that that's what's happening at this point. 248 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 2: I know that we've established that in the conversation, so all, I'm. 249 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 4: I don't know how. I don't know how we should 250 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 4: do it, Dan exactly. I'm really no expert, but I 251 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 4: know that what's happening isn't working, and that more and 252 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 4: more people are going to be upset by it, and 253 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 4: it's going to be someone what's a disturbed mind is 254 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 4: going to sort of take revenge against an innocent police officer. 255 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 2: Are you familiar with the case Arizona versus the United States, 256 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 2: a twenty twelve case out of the US Supreme Court. 257 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 4: You'll have to refresh my memory. 258 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 2: Now, I'll refresh your memory. There was a set of 259 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 2: laws that were passed in Arizona by a Republican legislature 260 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 2: and by Governor Jan Brewer, he's a Republican And basically 261 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 2: they were upset with the Obama administration back in twenty 262 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 2: ten that there had been a real impact and infusion 263 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 2: of legals in Arizona. And that case went to the 264 00:15:59,920 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 2: u U. S. Supreme Court, and by a five to 265 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 2: three decision, UH, it was decided by the U. S. 266 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 2: Supreme Court that federal law UH is the only authority 267 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 2: in this country that should deal with immigration issues. Arizona 268 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 2: had passed a bunch of statutes which which would have 269 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 2: enabled Arizona police and Arizona you know, authorities to go 270 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 2: after people who who they believed were here illegally and 271 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 2: and and basically usurped the federal law. And so that 272 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 2: the the argument by the court or the holding by 273 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 2: the court when President Obama UH was in office, was 274 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 2: that federal law preempts immigration statute. It's it's only something 275 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 2: that the federal government deals with that the states. In 276 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 2: this case, it was a conservative Republican state in Arizona 277 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 2: had no right to pass laws that were inconsistent with 278 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 2: the federal law. Now, that was the case that Republicans 279 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 2: and conservatives were upset by because they felt, hey, you know, 280 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 2: we're in Arizona, We're being badly impacted. It seems to 281 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 2: me that Minnesota at this point wants to do from 282 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 2: the other perspective, what Arizona tried to do and was 283 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 2: told they couldn't do by the US Supreme Court back 284 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 2: in twenty twelve. 285 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 4: What is Minnesota doing that contradicts them? What are they doing? 286 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 2: They're telling we want Ice out of our state. We 287 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 2: don't want Ice to have any authority in our state. 288 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 2: And that, in effect was what the Arizona State of 289 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 2: Arizona was trying to do back in twenty ten. We'll 290 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 2: take care of immigration law here in Arizona, and the 291 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 2: Supreme Court said, no immigration law has preempted by the 292 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 2: federal government. You do not have a right to run. 293 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 2: We cannot have fifty states and fifty sets of immigration laws. 294 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 2: And unfortunately Minnesota Governor waltz he should know better than most. 295 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 2: He was the losing vice presidential candidate. 296 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 4: You right, And it does make sense. You can't have 297 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 4: fifty different states doing fifty different things. 298 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 2: That makes sense exactly. And the immigration law that is 299 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 2: being followed, there's nothing illegal about what ICE is doing. 300 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 2: They make mistakes, but it is not as if Congress 301 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 2: has passed a law that says they cannot do what 302 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 2: they do. Jay, Look, as always, I enjoy our conversations 303 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 2: and I really appreciate your phone calls. And we disagree 304 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 2: on this one, but I do think there are some 305 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 2: areas of agreement that we have sketched out in this conversation. 306 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,439 Speaker 4: So I don't know, yes, And I just want to 307 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 4: reinforce that I'm concerned about the safety of police departments, 308 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 4: and I think that this whole ICE think is causing 309 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 4: more resentment against police and we don't need that. There 310 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 4: has to be a more rational, civil way to deal 311 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 4: with it. 312 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 2: Well again, if you come up with one that's more rational, 313 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 2: more civil, feel free to. We will talk about this 314 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 2: tonight and and on into the new year. I'm certain 315 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 2: about it. You're always welcome, Jane, Thank you so. 316 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:20,120 Speaker 4: Much, Thank you, Dan. 317 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 2: Happy New Year. You have a great night. We'll be 318 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 2: back on Nightside right after the news at the bottom 319 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 2: of the. 320 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: Hol It's night Side with Dan Ray on WBSY Hazy, 321 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: Boston's news radio. 322 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 2: All right, back to our conversation about what's going on 323 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 2: and still going on tonight in Minneapolis. Six one, seven, two, five, four, 324 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 2: ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty. 325 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 2: Those are numbers you should write down and have them 326 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 2: near your phone because hopefully you will be able to 327 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 2: exercise those numbers and take advantage of those numbers throughout 328 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 2: throughout the year. Here on Nightside. This is show number 329 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 2: one of what will be probably about two hundred and 330 00:19:58,440 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 2: twenty five shows this year. Let me go to New 331 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,959 Speaker 2: Tasachi in Saga. Sachi, you were next on Nightside. 332 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 5: Welcome, Thank you Dan. I actually happy to me Yea, 333 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 5: and I missed you. 334 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad you missed me, but I'm back. I 335 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 2: missed you, Sati, I missed all the callers as well. 336 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 2: I thought about you, all of you often during the trip. 337 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,719 Speaker 5: So it's now You've always been fair and you're always 338 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 5: right on the dot. Well, then on this one, you know, 339 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:31,199 Speaker 5: I'm kind of probable costs and I think that this 340 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 5: is a pretty much solid murder case because I looked 341 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 5: at the video quite a few times. There's no probable 342 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 5: costs for them to pull that wake Lobo to start off, 343 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 5: And well, I think. 344 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 2: I think SATCHI with with all due respect here let 345 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 2: me it's my understanding. And there are people in the 346 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 2: audience who may disagree with me, and if they do, 347 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 2: leve to hear for them. My understanding is that that 348 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 2: the driver of the automobile had pulled the cart at 349 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 2: an odd angle in the middle of this sort of 350 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 2: a residential area, a residential street, to prevent the flow 351 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 2: of traffic. Now, the Ice people believe she was attempting 352 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 2: to interfere with their ice operation. But if you recall 353 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 2: where the car is, it's it's it's at a strange 354 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 2: angle in the middle of the street, and they were 355 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 2: asking her to move. 356 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 5: Yes, I totally agree, but the way she moved, you know, 357 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 5: I looked at the video gain there was another vehicle 358 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 5: in the front that I believe that's why she moved 359 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 5: that way, because I wish she would be parking behind 360 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 5: the other vehicle. But you know, I'm not a judge 361 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 5: of you or anything, but my personal opinion on this one. 362 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 5: I think we should actually reconsider or look at the 363 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 5: people we are going to hire, uh for this ice operation, 364 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 5: because we are hiring like he just wanted to hire 365 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 5: everybody on the street that who is looking for a 366 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 5: job or just want more people. 367 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 2: Well, I think I think they have I think like 368 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 2: most police departments, they have to go through training. Now 369 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 2: I can agree with you that it might have been 370 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 2: a more reasonable action for the police officer to to 371 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 2: Pirouette out of the way, But it's difficult to know 372 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 2: what is in his mind. I'm not sure he can 373 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 2: be prosecuted in Minnesota under Minnesota statues. I think that 374 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 2: he has he has some protections, you know, sort of 375 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 2: an immunity as a federal officer because he was acting 376 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 2: in the in the in the in his as a 377 00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:00,919 Speaker 2: as a federal officer. But here here's the question. Have 378 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 2: you ever been stopped by the police? Are you driver? 379 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 5: Yes? I quite a few times, quite a few times. 380 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 2: So let me ask you. Don't you don't have to 381 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 2: tell me for what. But so when you stopped, police 382 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 2: officer comes to the car window ask you to roll 383 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:21,919 Speaker 2: down the window. Do you roll down the window? 384 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 3: Yes? 385 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 2: Okay, he'll say to you or she'll say to you, 386 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 2: license and registration. Do you agree to give them a 387 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 2: license and registration? Or do you. 388 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:37,479 Speaker 5: Usually awesome? Do you mind telling me what's the reason 389 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 5: for shopping? 390 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 2: And do they mostly do? They normally tell you. 391 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 5: Usually a lot of young people. The young officers usually 392 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,919 Speaker 5: give me a get out. You should answers, get out 393 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:52,360 Speaker 5: of the car. 394 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 2: Okay. So now when they ask. 395 00:23:54,720 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 5: You officers who are a little older, like in their fifties, okay, 396 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 5: and they tell me the reason why they stopped me. 397 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 2: Okay, So so come back to the get out of 398 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 2: the car. So when when you when you say to 399 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 2: the officer, can you tell me why you stopped me? 400 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 2: And to most of the most of the times, I 401 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 2: know when I got stopped. I know that I blew 402 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 2: through the yellow light, or that maybe I didn't come 403 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,120 Speaker 2: to a full stop at the stop sign. But it's 404 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,439 Speaker 2: nice to it's a normal question. I agree with you. 405 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 2: Normal question. So you ask and when they say to you, 406 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 2: turn off your engine and get out of the car. 407 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:31,479 Speaker 2: What do you do? 408 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 5: I usually turn off the enginet as soon as they 409 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 5: pull you know, pull me, I see the light? I 410 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 5: pull the light? 411 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, So they ask you to get out of 412 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 2: the car, Sachi, what do you do? 413 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 3: No? 414 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 5: They usually surprised with my voice because I'm from Sri Lanka. 415 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 5: It's like I always mentioned to you, subsprise. 416 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 2: Just try to answer my question. If you've told me that, 417 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 2: say to you get out of the car when. 418 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 5: With them, that's pretty sum. 419 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,959 Speaker 2: Would this woman would the woman yesterday have been shot 420 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 2: by the police under any circumstances if she had gotten 421 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 2: out of the car. 422 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 5: But there is a small little difference between me and her. 423 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 5: Is I had a probable cost for them to stop 424 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 5: me my light plate lights woud or my kay lights? 425 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 5: But on this case right there is not probable costs. 426 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 2: So let's them Let's assume Satch that because I've I've 427 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 2: been pulled over when I didn't know what I was doing. 428 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't know why I was being pulled over. 429 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 2: But but let's say in your case, you're pulled over 430 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 2: and there was one time I feel like I'm pulling 431 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 2: teeth from your SATCHI. So at one point, let's assume 432 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,199 Speaker 2: you really don't know what what you did. Okay, you 433 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,719 Speaker 2: don't know if you crossed over the middle line. You 434 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 2: don't know if you were going five miles an hour 435 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 2: or too fast? 436 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:11,159 Speaker 5: The love that you put for that too, and you. 437 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 2: And you stop and you turn off your engine and 438 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,679 Speaker 2: they say you say, can you tell me why I 439 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 2: was stopped? And they say, no, please get out of 440 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 2: the car. Will you get out of the car? Right? 441 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 3: Yes? 442 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 2: Good fifty? 443 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 5: Why I for all the direction of the officer because 444 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 5: I don't want any problems. But when I finished with 445 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 5: them and one of the warning or whatever he does, 446 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,439 Speaker 5: and I'm there right after or next day to the 447 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 5: police department with technica to inform them what they did wrong. 448 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 2: Good. Well, that's you're a good citizen, satchee. You were smart. 449 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 2: You follow the instructions of the police officer. And then 450 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 2: if the next day you disagree with what the police 451 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 2: officer UH charge you with, you show up at the 452 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 2: police station and you try to talk to a sergeant 453 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 2: or a lieutenant. And I think you you did it correctly, 454 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 2: you and you you were alive to tell the story. 455 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 2: I wish the woman had gotten out of the car. 456 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 5: I just want to say that you always the best, 457 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 5: you know, like I love listening to you your stories 458 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 5: and everything. And one thing that I learned is not 459 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 5: to argue with the officer at the scene. I'd rather 460 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 5: take a ticket or whatever the warning and deal with 461 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 5: it tomorrow. I stay your life. 462 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 2: I agree with you, so Shachi, and I'm glad you. 463 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 2: I'm glad you do that because that way you can 464 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 2: call my program. 465 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 5: Thank you so much, Thank you, Dan. You have a 466 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 5: wonderful night, and I really appreciate it. Welcome back. 467 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,400 Speaker 2: Thanks that you I appreciate. Let me go to Bob 468 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 2: and Rhode Island. Hey, Bob, how are you well? 469 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 6: Happy to know you're happy? 470 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 2: You I'm doing great? What's uh? 471 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 6: What's doing great to you? I wasn't hear about why 472 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 6: I'm doing great. It's at Bradley j for two weeks 473 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 6: and he said. People that called this program, well, you 474 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 6: were wherever you were on vacation, I guess. And I'm 475 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 6: sure you were on vacations. I don't know what country, 476 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,439 Speaker 6: I don't know where the hell you were, but whatever, 477 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 6: Bradley Jay. They some of his call has said, Bradley, 478 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 6: you have compassion and patience with your callers. You don't 479 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 6: tell people to walk the plank. 480 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 2: Well, it depends on You're doing fine right now, Bob. 481 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 2: If you want to, you know, talk about what we're 482 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 2: talking about tonight. If you want to express it, go ahead. 483 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 6: I think you're a Trump wow a person. I agree 484 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 6: with everything you think about. 485 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 2: Bob. You're getting close in the flank. You have a 486 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 2: great night. Walk the plank, Bob. We'll be back on 487 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 2: Night's side with more phone calls. I hope Bob can 488 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 2: swim to shore. He's from Rhode Island, so he's yeah, 489 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 2: they're not a bad swim six one, seven, two, five, 490 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 2: four to ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, one 491 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 2: ten thirty coming back on nights side. My night is complete. 492 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 2: Bob has walked the plank. Go right, we'll be back 493 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:12,719 Speaker 2: after this. 494 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: It's Nightside with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio. 495 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 2: Back to the phones we go. Let me go to 496 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 2: Tony in Los Angeles, California. Tony, welcome next on Nightside him. 497 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 7: Dan, Glad you're back. Thank goodness, thank you. Okay, Dan, 498 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 7: I'm very upset about ice. I think ice has to 499 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 7: be melted. This is going on. It's out of control 500 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 7: and people are being shot. We have to stop this. 501 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 7: What is going on in this country. 502 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 2: Well, the way to stop it is at the next election, Tony. 503 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 2: That's that's the reality. The people voted in November of 504 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four for a candidate who said that, if 505 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 2: elect he would make every effort to get the people 506 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 2: out of this country who were here illegally. And that's 507 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 2: what he's doing. If you may not like the tactics, 508 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 2: go ahead. 509 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 7: Yeah, to what degree? This is a degree that I've 510 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 7: never heard of before, shooting people and invading countries. What 511 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 7: is going on? 512 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 2: Well, I think you're you're you're looking election. Barack Obama 513 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 2: said elections have consequences, and he was accurate. When the 514 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 2: country votes, uh, and not only voted for Donald Trump 515 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 2: and voted for a Republican House and a Republican Senate. 516 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 2: That's presidents tend to use the authority that they feel 517 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 2: they've been granted. I guess the only way to describe it. Obviously, 518 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 2: you disagree deeply with this. I do wish that that 519 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 2: woman had stopped and gotten out of the car. I mean, 520 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 2: the worst that would have happened to her was she 521 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 2: might have been arrested. I have no idea what she 522 00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 2: would have been charged with. And I'm born her death 523 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 2: just as you mourn her death. 524 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 7: Yes I do, Dan, and I'm not angry. Don't get 525 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 7: me wrong. I'm just concerned. That's just worried. Yeah, well worried. 526 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you as always for calling, and thank 527 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 2: you for expressing yourself as well as you did. I 528 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 2: think it's a legitimate you got to get involved politically, 529 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 2: and then in the next election later this year, you know. 530 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 7: I will, and I know Dan, you are number one 531 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 7: in the country for talk, if not the world because 532 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 7: of how you are. Thank God for you, Dan. Thank 533 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 7: you so much, Tony. 534 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 2: I appreciate it very much. Thank you, my friend. We'll 535 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 2: talk soon. Let me go next to Mike and Taunton. Mike, 536 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 2: you are next on nightside. 537 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 3: Welcome, well, welcome Dan, first time caller. 538 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 2: You are our first first time caller of the year. 539 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 2: So we've got to give you a round of applause 540 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 2: from a virtual studio audience. Go right ahead, Mike. 541 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 3: So question for you, I mean I was looking into 542 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 3: it and it's like, you're not so post a fire 543 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 3: into a vehicle for the sole purpose of stopping the vehicle, right, So, 544 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 3: I mean that's something that's that I've read it. How 545 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 3: many justices I said, guide by this on? So at 546 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 3: what point do we look at lethal force as being acceptable? 547 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 3: Let's say, for example, I run a stop sign, right, yep, 548 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,479 Speaker 3: you know, maybe I'm nervous about the police anyway, right, 549 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 3: they pull me over, uh, and then I drive away. 550 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 3: Does the officer have a right to shoot my car, 551 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 3: shoot my back window. 552 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 2: No, under under the under the circumstances you have described. No. 553 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 2: If However, if, however, let us say hypothetically, an officer 554 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 2: pulls you over and is walking, you know, towards your vehicle, 555 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 2: or is somehow at the front of your vehicle, and 556 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 2: you then start at the officer feels that his life 557 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 2: or the life of others are in danger, there is 558 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 2: there is an opportunity there to use lethal fourth force, 559 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 2: just as if the similar point of view is that 560 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 2: if someone comes into your house tonight at midnight and 561 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 2: you see them, you know, walking towards you, and they 562 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 2: have a knife or a weapon of some sort, and 563 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 2: you happen to have a gun, I mean, all the 564 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 2: police have guns. You can use that to defend yourself, 565 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 2: but you better well be prepared to prove that you 566 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 2: felt your life was in danger. That is what this 567 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 2: officer I'm sure is going to argue. 568 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 3: Okay, so I mean, I yet I'd watched the video 569 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 3: you know, and I've seen what others have said that it. 570 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 3: You know, it looks like we have a right to 571 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 3: peaceful protest. We have a right to disagree with the 572 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 3: way things may be going. 573 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 2: You know. 574 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 3: And I'm in my fifties, and when I was in 575 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 3: my twenties, I I protested and I stood up for 576 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 3: things that I thought were important. Sure, and you know, 577 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 3: if if she was protesting or wanting to kind of 578 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 3: look at this Ice situation as you know, something that 579 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 3: she wanted to engage with and kind of bring to 580 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 3: light how they felt it was unfair, or they wanted 581 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 3: to even obstruct it. 582 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 2: You know, she kind obstructed. No, you kind of obstruct it. 583 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 2: It would be as if you and I go out 584 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 2: and we're having a couple of drinks, okay, and you 585 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 2: get in the car and you were buzzed and you're 586 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 2: pulled over and I'm sober as a judge. I was 587 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 2: drinking diet Pepsi's and we get pulled over, and all 588 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,760 Speaker 2: of a sudden, you decide that you're going to open 589 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 2: up the car door and hit the cop and you're 590 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 2: not going to allow him whatever. And I jump out 591 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 2: of the car and I defend you and we get 592 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 2: into an argument in a fight. Sophistical, you can't do that, 593 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 2: I agree with you. 594 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:12,839 Speaker 3: But but at what point does legal lethal force come 595 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,239 Speaker 3: into playing? 596 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 2: Well, they would you know the hypothetical that I put 597 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 2: out that let's say you and I jumped out and 598 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 2: we decided we wanted to tell the cop you know 599 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:23,759 Speaker 2: you want to fight, We'll have a fight with you. 600 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,360 Speaker 2: At that point, we're going to be arrested. Now, maybe 601 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 2: he's going to call for a backup. He I don't 602 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 2: think unless his life fears his life is in danger, 603 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 2: that he's going to shoot us. Okay, but you know, 604 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 2: depending upon his the circumstances, would have it been better 605 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 2: if he stepped out of the way and let her 606 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,959 Speaker 2: drive off. Yeah, they could have gotten your license plate 607 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,319 Speaker 2: and pulled her over later, I guess, yeah. 608 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 3: I mean, my point is, if you look at the video, 609 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 3: it looks to be appear that the wheels are tained 610 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 3: to the right to not go towards. If I know 611 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,279 Speaker 3: that if I was driving towards someone to maliciously harm them, 612 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,359 Speaker 3: I would point my car right at them, not out 613 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,760 Speaker 3: of the way, first of all, And she was going 614 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 3: from reverse to a moving position to drive you know, 615 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,279 Speaker 3: the video is has audio on it. You could hear things. 616 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,719 Speaker 3: The tires are not screeching. That woman was not trying 617 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,360 Speaker 3: to do zero to sixteen three point two seconds. She 618 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,880 Speaker 3: was just trying to get out of the way. You know. 619 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:33,479 Speaker 2: Well, let's be honest. Okay, And again I'm not trying 620 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,760 Speaker 2: to justify the shooting here. But when the police said 621 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 2: get out of the car, that puts in motion a 622 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 2: set of circumstances that you know, I wish you had 623 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:48,920 Speaker 2: gotten out of the car. 624 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 3: Okay, But Dan, you can see how anyone with this 625 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 3: whole ice situation when they say I would get out 626 00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 3: of the car for a police officer, would I get 627 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,799 Speaker 3: out of the car for an ice person. Maybe not, Dan, 628 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 3: I mean I'm in the US. 629 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,279 Speaker 2: Yeah. But what I'm trying to say to you is 630 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 2: that that you and I don't have that discretion. I mean, 631 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 2: if I said to you, Hey, if I get pulled 632 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 2: over by a Sadie tonight, my brother was a Stadie 633 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 2: many years ago. Uh, and I trust Stadies, I'll get 634 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 2: out of the car. But a Boston cop, no way. 635 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 2: I can't take that distinction. I can't have it that distinction. 636 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 3: But we've seen repeatedly and people will say it's the 637 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:35,319 Speaker 3: liberal media repeatedly. You know, I will say it ICE 638 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 3: behaving badly. You know, I mean we had, you know, 639 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:43,800 Speaker 3: situations where US citizens have been brought in, driven around 640 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 3: the block for half an hour, and then dropped it 641 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,280 Speaker 3: back off. You know, I mean, just like no due process, 642 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,879 Speaker 3: no real understanding anything. Miranda rights? 643 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:54,239 Speaker 2: No, what's that? 644 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 3: Are Miranda rights even red? When ICE takes you into custody? 645 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 2: What once you were into custody and you're under arrest, 646 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:07,879 Speaker 2: you will have your Miranda rights absolutely because if they 647 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 2: don't read the Miranda rights. Look, the bottom line is 648 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 2: this you would like Ice? Well, I'll ask you real quickly. 649 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,840 Speaker 2: Should we just di spand Ice? Do you think do 650 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 2: you think that ICE is just a bad organization and 651 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,800 Speaker 2: just get rid of ICE? Is that was just suggesting? 652 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 3: No, what I'm suggesting is I think the way. 653 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,720 Speaker 2: That should they get let me ask you this, should 654 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:28,840 Speaker 2: they get out of Minnesota? 655 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,359 Speaker 3: I think it's flared up to a point where they 656 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 3: if they don't want the situation to go down the 657 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,080 Speaker 3: steep slope of getting much worse. Yeah, I would probably 658 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:43,440 Speaker 3: say I would make the move. 659 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,080 Speaker 2: So the next the next time, ye Okay, So therefore, 660 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 2: if you protest enough, and you you throw enough snowballs, uh, 661 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,800 Speaker 2: and you you you yell and scream, et cetera, the 662 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:56,839 Speaker 2: police are going to turn around and say, look, these 663 00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,000 Speaker 2: people don't want us here, let's leave. I don't think 664 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,760 Speaker 2: that's the way it works. I really don't. 665 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 3: Well, maybe a different approach needs to come to mind. 666 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,880 Speaker 2: Well, I suspect you can always be considering different approaches. 667 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,840 Speaker 2: One approach I have to consider is the approach of 668 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,200 Speaker 2: the dead oclock news. Mark my great first time call. 669 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 2: I look forward to call number two. Thank you so much. Great, 670 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 2: I have a great night. Good night. Coming back on 671 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:19,800 Speaker 2: Nightside right after the tenth