1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: We're adjusting live across the world right now. 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 2: This is the John Jay and Rich radio program. Okay, Bob, 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 2: you're in the studio and oh so nervous dude. 4 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 3: Has this already started? 5 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, I started just because we don't want to miss 6 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:18,319 Speaker 4: anything talking to you. It's so great that. Thank you 7 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 4: so much for coming in. 8 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 3: Justin of go oh yeah, are you guys on the 9 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 3: air right now, right now? 10 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 2: Because we didn't know. We didn't know. Oh I see, Okay, 11 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 2: we're gonna erit. We're gonna save it. And Eric when 12 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 2: the movie comes out. 13 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 3: That's so nice of you. Thank you. 14 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 4: Excuse me? 15 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 5: Are you playing on standing for this interview cameras? 16 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:43,480 Speaker 1: I can't see him if I don't stay, I can't 17 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 1: see his face. If I never his. 18 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 3: Face, I know I never see John Jay. 19 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: Z that I'm like this, But then I can't see 20 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: it's all good. Have you seen the movie? You know 21 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: what he looks like a mustache in the movie. He 22 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: doesn't have one. 23 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 3: Okay, that was a real mustache. I grow a good 24 00:00:58,320 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 3: mustache's eyes. 25 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 4: I saw the movie. It's uh, it's called oh my god. 26 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 4: I'm gonna give you mister. Nobody know it's called normal normal. 27 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 3: Normally, I'm just sticking with then Nowhere to start every 28 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 3: Nowhere's next. 29 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 4: This movie was freaking fantastic. I called Lee yesterday. I said, 30 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 4: this movie was freaking fantastic. I love this movie. 31 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 2: And before it's hard to talk about the movie because 32 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 2: you don't want to ruin anything. But Phonsie unbelievable. 33 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm great as Henry unbelievable, you know. And he's 34 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 3: the nicest guy. Yes, yes, yes, yes. 35 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: Didn't see that coming. 36 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, uh, Henry is the sweetest guy on earth and 37 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 3: he exudes those vibes, you know what I mean. And 38 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 3: then so I don't I can't give away them. 39 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 2: I know, you can't give it away. 40 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 3: Literally. 41 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 5: John came yesterday because we hadn't seen it yet, but 42 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 5: now I think we've all seen it at this point. 43 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: But he was like, it starts off and you're like, 44 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: what's going on? 45 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden everything goes sideway. 46 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: Which one I mean sideways for real. And it reminded 47 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: me of two different things when I was watching it. 48 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: And my wife came in when I was watching the screener, 49 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: and so she starts to looking it up. She's like, 50 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: it reminds you of those two things because it's directly 51 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: related to Can I talk about either one of those? 52 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: It's there's a Fargo reference with the sheriff that died. 53 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: Is the detective from Fargo to the team or the movie, right, 54 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: that was her last name in the. 55 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 3: Movie, yes, yes, yes, yes. And then there's a I 56 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 3: was in Fargo too, Yes you were in, which I 57 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 3: mean you can't amazing. 58 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: And then there's a John Wick tie into and that 59 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: that's the writer from John Wick right. And I felt 60 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,119 Speaker 1: all of that watching the movie before I knew anything about. 61 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 3: It, yes, which I thought was great. There's so many 62 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 3: movies that informed this film that, for you know, this 63 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 3: is a fun movie. Yes, I don't want to make 64 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 3: it sound like we're making you go to film school, 65 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,959 Speaker 3: but does does anybody remember High Planes Drifter? 66 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 2: Totally? 67 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 3: I mean I kept thinking about that because he's got 68 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 3: the whole town and he's got to get them with 69 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 3: them and they're right yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah. 70 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 3: And uh. Then there's do you guys know this great 71 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 3: movie it's often on streaming. It's called The Taking of 72 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 3: Pelham one two three, Yes, math out Walter Math and 73 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 3: it's an old film. 74 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: And they didn't it. 75 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 3: They did redo it. Yeah, and the redo was good too, 76 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 3: by the way. But anyway, it's like it's because the 77 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 3: it's because the the guy who wrote it, Derek Cole said, 78 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 3: who wrote the John Wick films and he wrote nobody. 79 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 2: Uh. 80 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 3: And the guy who directed it, Ben Wheatley, this British director. 81 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 3: They're just nerds. They're just movie nerds. 82 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: How did you become this amazing anti hero that nobody 83 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: sees coming? 84 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 3: Well, because nobody sees me coming for real. 85 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 2: Well, so in the movie that your character ulysses. What 86 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 2: it reminded me of is you see that the first 87 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 2: opening scene with the yakuzi or whatever. 88 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and then there's you. I feel like 89 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 4: you don't know without knowing where the movie was going. 90 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 4: I thought you were kind of like like a ted 91 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 4: Lasso guy. 92 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:20,359 Speaker 2: Right with this not normal way of policing. You know, 93 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 2: like when you get in the car and you have 94 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 2: the bourbon, you know, you're kind of like, I'm gonna 95 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 2: put you in the jail. 96 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 3: World actually don't want to do anything, right. 97 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 2: I got of like, oh, he's teaching everybody's lifelong lesson. 98 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 2: Just gonna be one of those movies that's. 99 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 3: Kind of love that. 100 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and then all of a sudden, you're this 101 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 2: freaking hero. 102 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, it's just uh, because I'm easy to underestimate. 103 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, how wild is that? You're like this action hero. 104 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 3: It's wild, right, But you know what, I thought I 105 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 3: could do it because I have that much rage in me. 106 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 3: I'm a really nice guy. But if you ask my kids, yuh. 107 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 1: That is a little crazy. Yeah, you seem to have. 108 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 3: It comes out in times when you don't want it to. 109 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 3: And how are you guys? 110 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 2: Friends? 111 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 3: Chris with task is a Chicago stalwart. He's a second 112 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 3: city guy. 113 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 2: Second come up. 114 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 3: When did we meet Chris? 115 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 2: Yeah? 116 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 3: Give him a. 117 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 2: Good to be on John and Jay Rich in the morning. 118 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 2: You know you know Joe Bill, Yes, I do know. 119 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 2: His brother lives on my street. School improv Yeah yeah, 120 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 2: I was went to this growling school. Oh cool in La. 121 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, back in ninety six, back in the day. 122 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 5: I've always wanted to go to cub spring training and 123 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 5: uh and Bob invited me awesome just the other day, 124 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 5: and I said, I'm in. 125 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 2: So he used. 126 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 3: To come here when I when I worked at Saturday 127 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 3: Night Live, I used to come out for spring training. 128 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 1: And Spade Uh from these parts of time. 129 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 3: I know, I love David's stories about living there. 130 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 2: When I started out live what was that? Who was 131 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:06,239 Speaker 2: the cast? 132 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 3: What was two different casts? I was there. I was 133 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 3: only there for four years, but there were two different casts. 134 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 3: One was Jan Hooks and Nora Dunn and and Phil 135 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 3: that crew John Lovett's and then it was Phil Hartman 136 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 3: the whole time, and then it was Farley and Spa 137 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 3: Sandler and Spade. So I kind of and rock and 138 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 3: and I wrote there and I was occasionally on the camera, 139 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 3: but not much. Mostly I was a writer, and that's 140 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 3: what I wanted to be. That's why I got into 141 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 3: show business, to be a writer. 142 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 1: Are those you doing? Nobody? 143 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 3: So Hollywood, you know how hard it is to get 144 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 3: a movie made. So I'm doing Saul. I have this 145 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 3: notion I could do an action movie. I'd be willing 146 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 3: to train him in good shape. I never used my body. 147 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 3: I was a comedy writer. I didn't hurt myself because 148 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 3: all I did was sit around and eat chicken and 149 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 3: make jokes and uh so, uh so I'm start training 150 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 3: whatever we get a script. It was a lot of work. 151 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 3: And then I go, well, I should train, Let's get started. 152 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 3: I want to do all my own fighting. But the 153 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 3: whole time I'm training is very embarrassing. I'm you know, 154 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 3: it's hard to train in a stunt gym with real 155 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 3: stunt people who that's what they do, that's all they do, 156 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 3: and they're just amazing. I mean they could stand there, 157 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 3: they can jump in the air, flip around and land 158 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 3: on their back on something. 159 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: I heard you had to choreograph that bus fight and 160 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: nobody for like two years. 161 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 3: Well I trained for two years. We choreographed it for 162 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 3: probably a year, but for fun for years. It's fun. 163 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: It's in that it's one of the greatest fight scenes, 164 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: but it seems like you're always getting in fights in 165 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: close quarters now. 166 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeh yeah, yeah, yeah, it's really fun to play. 167 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 3: First of all, I want to be a guy who 168 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 3: makes mistakes, you know in the fight, like hits his head, yeah, 169 00:07:55,000 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 3: hits his hands, missus, missus with a punch, and so anyway, 170 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 3: I I trained really hard to do it, and the 171 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:08,239 Speaker 3: whole time I'm training it's very embarrassing. But I'm thinking 172 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 3: the whole time, if I get to do this, I'm 173 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 3: not thinking about making a lot of money or being 174 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 3: a movie star or anything. I'm thinking about Sandler and 175 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 3: Spade watching it, Conan O'Brien and all these guys going, wait, 176 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 3: what just happened? What is on TV right now? Is 177 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 3: that Bob Odenkirk, the writer, what happened? What went wrong? 178 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: I've heard you on Flying the Wall with Carving, and yeah, 179 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: they seem mesmerized by this. 180 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 3: This they don't know what they don't know. 181 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: You get another movie where it's just strange such but 182 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: I love my career. 183 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 2: This guy total. 184 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 5: I mean, he wrote Rolling Stone Magazine rated the greatest 185 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 5: SNL sketches of all time, and number one was Vanned 186 00:08:58,120 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 5: Down by the River, the sketch that. 187 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 2: He I didn't know you wrote that. I was going 188 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 2: to ask you, what are some legendary sketches that you wrote? 189 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 2: Van Back down the River? 190 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the one. I mean. Look, I I struggled 191 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 3: writing at SML. You you've all read and heard the 192 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 3: stories about how you know intense that place is. Yeah, 193 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 3: and when you go there, you're young. You're usually between 194 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 3: the age of twenty three and thirty, and it's your 195 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 3: first job and and and you're fighting like hell to 196 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 3: keep it. And so it was hard for me, but 197 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 3: I helped with the Bears super Fans. Oh yeah, that 198 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:36,719 Speaker 3: was Robert Smigel, but I wrote a lot of it. 199 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 4: When you when you brought up Nora Dunn, there's a 200 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 4: sketch that lives rent Free and oh yeah, which one? 201 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 4: It just leaves rent Free And it's a one or 202 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 4: two lines. It's Phil Hartman is Barbara Bush and Norah 203 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 4: Dunn's interviewing and saying, are you proud of your son? 204 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 4: And she goes, oh whatever, she goes, that is he's 205 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 4: my husband, my son. 206 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 2: I don't know what. I just proud. 207 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 5: But if I could just continue bragging on my friend. 208 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 3: That's why you're here. 209 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 2: Yes. 210 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 5: So then so he writes the greatest SNL sketch of 211 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 5: all time. He then goes on to create, in my opinion, 212 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 5: the greatest sketch comedy show of all time, Mister Show, 213 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 5: which which was a cult thing that was with people 214 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 5: David David who's married to Amber Tamblin, whose dad was 215 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:24,239 Speaker 5: in Westside story. 216 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 2: Side. 217 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:31,359 Speaker 1: Sorry degrees, but mister. 218 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 5: Show, in my opinion, the greatest sketch comedy show ever created, 219 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 5: which inspired an entire generation. 220 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 2: Of comedy people. 221 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 5: He then goes on and he's on the greatest show 222 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 5: of all time. 223 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 2: Breaking Bad. 224 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 5: I mean, like, I think one of the greatest shows 225 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 5: of all time. I mean I think it's like Sopranos, 226 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 5: Breaking Bad, Like. 227 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 4: You know, Breaking Bad, Breaking back is the news right now, 228 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 4: do you guys? Because Breaking Bad in Game I guess 229 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:57,599 Speaker 4: they listed Breaking Bad is the number one show of 230 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 4: all time. The Game of Thrones people got pissed. So 231 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,439 Speaker 4: now the Game of Thrones people are going on and 232 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 4: giving bad ratings to Breaking Bad. 233 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right, Game. 234 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 3: Of Thrones fans are trying. 235 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 4: They spin off Breaking Bad and give him his own TV. 236 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: And I cannot say the same thing about the Game 237 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: of Thrones spinoffs. They're not as they're not as meaty, 238 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: they're just But you got in the movie, which is cool. 239 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was waiting for by the way, I know, 240 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 3: I know. And it's a shame, Yeah it is good. 241 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 2: Shame. 242 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, But the normal, the movie normal is so Derek 243 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 3: Colstead writes these great action films and he sent me 244 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 3: three outlines for films that I could consider, and this 245 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,439 Speaker 3: is the one that had the suspense element, that kind 246 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 3: of mystery, Yellen, and he doesn't you know, I mean, 247 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 3: he gets right to the action, which is great. And 248 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:58,719 Speaker 3: I love that. But I just wanted to act a 249 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 3: little and I get too, and uh, and then we 250 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 3: fight and then all we do is fight, and then 251 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 3: Ben Wheatley, this director is just a perfect director. He 252 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 3: made a movie called Free Fire. He's made a field 253 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 3: in England. He's made so many films and uh, just 254 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 3: has so much fun with the fighting and the actions. 255 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 2: Let me ask you something that behind the scenes of 256 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 2: Hollywood kind of when you watch the movie, you know 257 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,439 Speaker 2: it stars you, but it says something like I can't 258 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 2: remember the words like story by Bob. 259 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, Well that's because Derek sent me the outline, 260 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 3: and he had sent me three outlines, and the other 261 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 3: two were pure action beginning to end. 262 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 2: You know. 263 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 3: Guy gets in a car, accident, gets out of the car, 264 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 3: chases guns, it just goes and that's fun and maybe 265 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 3: I'll do one of those one day. But this one 266 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 3: had this like he's a share of something weird's happening. 267 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 3: He doesn't know what it is. There's some clues, but 268 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 3: he doesn't want to look at it. He doesn't want 269 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 3: to think about it. He's a guy who's kind of 270 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 3: removed himself from life, and then something goes wrong and 271 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 3: he has to confront. You know, he has to take action. 272 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 3: He has to engage with people in the world. He 273 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 3: can't just sit in the corner and hide and then 274 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 3: it's just action. 275 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: It takes me a second when it goes sideways to 276 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: figure out why it's going sideways. 277 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 2: Wait, wait, wait, how does that? How do you get 278 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 2: that title to story by? 279 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 3: Oh? Well, I said, can I work with you to 280 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 3: build out the suspense element? Why there's money here? So 281 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 3: a lot of that story came after and so I 282 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 3: contributed to the outline of what the story was. What 283 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 3: He didn't quite have all that nailed down, and so 284 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 3: I helped with that. 285 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 2: So then you bring a writer in and then the 286 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 2: red Well. 287 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 3: No, so Derek had the outline. I liked this suspense element, 288 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,679 Speaker 3: and then I say, I have a bunch of ideas 289 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 3: for it. He used enough of them to say I'm 290 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,319 Speaker 3: going to give you credit. He didn't have to give 291 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 3: me credit. What he did he chose to for the story. 292 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 3: And then he writes the script. And I can write 293 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 3: a script too, but he wrote the script. He wrote 294 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 3: the jokes in this. Yeah. And I've written a lot 295 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 3: of movie scripts, but not many have been made. 296 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: Well, do you see there being how I say this 297 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: without giving this away, could there be a sequel for 298 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: this character? 299 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 3: Yeah? I me too, Me too. I love this guy. 300 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 3: I mean one of my goals has been trying to 301 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 3: play characters that are more closer to me in age, 302 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 3: because I mean Saul was like I was. Guys, I 303 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 3: know I was too old for that role. 304 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 2: I know. 305 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 3: Well you didn't see it because we see gied my 306 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 3: face in any of the scenes where it's a flashback, 307 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 3: they c g I out my uh lines on my face. Look. 308 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 3: I told the guys when they said we're going to 309 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 3: write a song show, I said, you, guys, I'm fifty 310 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 3: years old. Take that. Please take that into account. And 311 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 3: they didn't. And I mean he was great fun to play. 312 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 3: Saul was great fun to put but he was younger 313 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 3: than me, and he made a lot of impetuous choices 314 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 3: that I'm like, come on, grow up. So wouldn't that 315 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 3: be great? Hey, well they've got you you as you right? 316 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 3: Because John, that's right, John c that's right. I love Pluribus. 317 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 3: It's uh, it's only going to get better, you know that, right? 318 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, because that's sure. I saw some either an interview 319 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 4: or something with it was it. It's uh, Gilly Gilly, 320 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 4: he said. He said that he needed his storylines to 321 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 4: be slow and reminded me of like slow paced story 322 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 4: building Storry Billy. Yeah, and he needs like seven years 323 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 4: of that. 324 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 325 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 3: Then right, and then the dominoes start to fall. 326 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 327 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 3: Right, it just going faster and faster. 328 00:15:58,840 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 329 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 3: He's one of the great writers of our time, certainly 330 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 3: of TV. I got very I got very lucky. That's 331 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 3: how I had this career. 332 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: But you know what's been happening before a very eyes 333 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: you were becoming our American Liam Neesen. 334 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 3: Oh good, Yeah, yeah, I'll be I'll take that, you know. 335 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 3: I I want to do different things, you know, but 336 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 3: opening this up, having the opportunity to do action first 337 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 3: of all, actions more fun than I thought. 338 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 2: It was. 339 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 3: Like I thought, this is a crazy thing. I'm gonna propose. 340 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 3: If I can pull it off, wouldn't that be nuts? 341 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 3: That'll make me laugh. If it doesn't work, it'll still 342 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 3: make me laugh, you know, It'll like what am I risking. 343 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 3: I'm not a movie star. 344 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 2: You know you're a movie star. 345 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 3: It doesn't work, it doesn't matter. But but it's just 346 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 3: it's kind of like sketch comedy doing an action scene 347 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 3: like the bus the bus fight and nobody. I remember 348 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 3: sitting there thinking, this is the closest to a comedy 349 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 3: writer's room that I've been in since I was in 350 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 3: a writer's room at SNL or whatever, mister show whatever. 351 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 3: Because you got a bunch of mostly guys, but there's 352 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 3: some women and they're sitting around and you're doing this 353 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 3: thing and his plan, and then you're you're laughing a lot, 354 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 3: I'm telling you. After the director says cut, everyone laughs. 355 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 3: There's no other It's just so funny what you're doing. 356 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 3: It's so nuts. 357 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 1: There is a like sinister, dark hilariousness to the new 358 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 1: movie Normal Too, where it's like there is just have 359 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: to laugh because it's so over the freaking Yeah. I 360 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 1: mean it's even over the top for a John Wick movie. 361 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 3: I think in spots, yeah it's Normal goes to places 362 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 3: that you usually only see in horror films. 363 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but you. 364 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 3: Do, you'll recognize it as a comically over the top. 365 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 2: Plus there's some really good death scenes. 366 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,479 Speaker 3: There are some great ones. Yeah, Ben Wheatley, that's you 367 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 3: can thank him for. 368 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 2: That should be really happy. Can you are you willing 369 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 2: to talk about about your personal life about some stuff. 370 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 2: I asked, because uh, I have I've talked about it 371 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 2: in the show before. So my dad died of a 372 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 2: heart attack at sixty six, and I freaked out, and 373 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 2: so I went and turns out I have like this 374 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 2: calcium score that's high, higher and higher, and I'm like, 375 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 2: how do I stop that? So I do everything I do, 376 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:19,479 Speaker 2: red Light, I do SNA. I went to Mexico, got 377 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 2: stem cells. And I know you were on the set 378 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 2: of Saul. I think when you had something happened to you, 379 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 2: and how have you treated that with your life and health. 380 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 3: Well, it's weird because my family doesn't have heart disease 381 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 3: in it and and so it's weird that this happened. 382 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 3: I mean it, but it did. And I had the 383 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 3: build up and yeah, the plaque, Yeah, the plaque build 384 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 3: up and it broke off, and it blocked the one 385 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,919 Speaker 3: of the tributaries to the widow Maker, and uh and 386 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 3: I went down and turned gray, and every every bad 387 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 3: thing happened, and uh, I got very lucky. Three times 388 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 3: they related me. Three times didn't work the first two times, 389 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 3: which is really freaky. And I of course was not 390 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 3: aware of any of this. But everyone there told me 391 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 3: their stories later, the whole crew and cast who were 392 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 3: standing around watching me, and they said, because that machine talks, 393 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 3: you know, when you put it on the person, it says, 394 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 3: you know, no pulse detected. Stand back from the body. 395 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 3: Then it counts down ten, nine to eight because you 396 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 3: can't be near it, and it goes and and your 397 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 3: body jumps off the ground and lands, and then the 398 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 3: thing talks again and says no pulse detected and or 399 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:38,360 Speaker 3: no rhythm or whatever. So it was weird to do it, 400 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 3: and to have to do it three times was really 401 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 3: really was the most emotionally traumatic thing for the people 402 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 3: standing around. For me, I don't remember any of it. 403 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 3: I was working one day and then I woke, and 404 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 3: then I was leaving the hospital and it was a 405 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 3: week later. A week later, remember sitting with the doctor 406 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 3: and I'm walking out, And that's the first memory I have. 407 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 2: So how have you what have you changed since then? 408 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 2: Like and did they put a stent in? 409 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 5: Like? 410 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, they put two stents in. And I mean I 411 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 3: take Stanton and I take mataprol and I don't have 412 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:30,679 Speaker 3: I just take these drugs and I go in for 413 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,439 Speaker 3: once a year or every other year, I go in 414 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 3: and get a full heartwork. Well, thanks, I mean, is 415 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 3: I it's weird that it happened, right, Like, I don't 416 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 3: have a problem that we can tell it just it 417 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 3: did build up in this one tributary, and and I 418 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,959 Speaker 3: knew that. I knew that I had been told this 419 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,360 Speaker 3: was happening. But I was also told by a hard 420 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 3: doctor it's not that bad. Don't worry about it yet. Geez. 421 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 3: But what I didn't do. The mistake I made was 422 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 3: so I had I had this test done. You have 423 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 3: an issue, but it's not that bad. And then I said, 424 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 3: oh great, and I left. But I didn't say when 425 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 3: should I check on it again? 426 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 2: Do you remember the pain you felt? What it was 427 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,199 Speaker 2: like for me? Now I feel anything, I'm like, oh 428 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 2: my god, no ya, no I got no I had 429 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 2: no pain. 430 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 3: But look, the bottom line is, if your doctor says 431 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 3: you should watch for this thing. It's not good, but 432 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 3: it's not you don't need anything yet, you should ask 433 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 3: when should I come back in, because then then three 434 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 3: years go by and then I have this thing happen. 435 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 2: So the stress of the show added to it. 436 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 3: I don't know. 437 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 2: Do you know the scene that you were filming have 438 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 2: you seen different before? 439 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the scene where Lala is talking 440 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 3: to Kim and Jimmy and threatening them, and it's a 441 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 3: really gripping scene. It's a great scene. And most of 442 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 3: it was shot before I had a heart attack, and 443 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 3: then some of it was shot five weeks later. 444 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:15,719 Speaker 2: Do you look different? 445 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 3: I probably lost a little weight in a couple shots. 446 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 2: Wow, do they have you falling down on film? 447 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 3: Oh? No, no, no no, because we were off to 448 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 3: our own. But I have no memory. I can't remember anything. 449 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 3: My daughter made a like a post or erase board 450 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 3: of the week that told me what happened. So I'd 451 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 3: wake up and I'd see this thing that said Tuesday 452 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 3: heart attack. Come to the hospital Wednesdays. You know, two 453 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 3: stints put in in it, because I just every day 454 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 3: they would come, even through the whole day. I'd be like, 455 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 3: why are you guys at the hospital. I'm sitting there 456 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 3: in the bed and like why are you here? My 457 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 3: wife is talking to me and saying why are you here? 458 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 3: And I'm like I came here to see you, you know. 459 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: I yeah, yeah. 460 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 3: And that was days later. I mean, I can tell 461 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 3: you what. It was kind of an awesome thing because 462 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 3: then over the course of the next three weeks, every 463 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 3: day I would wake up sort of that way, but 464 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 3: very quickly I would like, oh I live here, Oh 465 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 3: this is my wife. Oh yeah, I'm an actor, and 466 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 3: and it would come to I remember this happening. And 467 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 3: I was so happy for those three weeks because I 468 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 3: didn't wake up which the way I do, which is 469 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 3: I gotta do this thing, I gotta do this thing. 470 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,679 Speaker 3: I didn't do this. I heard somebody's feelings. Did I 471 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 3: say the wrong thing? You know on that morning Zoo 472 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 3: radio show, you guys call yourself a zoo? No, no, 473 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 3: this is you guys are zoo. Uh but you know 474 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 3: what I mean. Like, I didn't wake up with that. 475 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 3: I woke up like, wow, where do I live? Oh? Wow, 476 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 3: look at this place. This is pretty great. Oh wow 477 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 3: my wife is awesome. 478 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 2: But like, are you doing kids? Are you doing cardio? 479 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,360 Speaker 2: Are you changing? Are you trying? Like I gotta, I gotta. 480 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 3: I mean, I should probably do more cardio. I do 481 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 3: a lot of working out. Yeah, but it's the action 482 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 3: films taught me how to work out. 483 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 2: Okay, Like did you work out today this morning? Before 484 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 2: you but every day, did you change the way you eat. Yes, 485 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 2: I don't eat sugar at all. Like, what do you 486 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 2: have for breakfast? 487 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 3: I used to eat ice cream every day? Really, yeah, 488 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 3: oftentimes more than once every day. And uh, and I 489 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 3: used to drink. Oh, I don't want to wreck people's products. 490 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 3: There's a lot of sugar in everything you eat. Guys, 491 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 3: if you cut it out, you're gonna say, oh, it's 492 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 3: gonna suck. It's not so bad, but you you should. 493 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 3: You should eat a lot less sugar. And if you 494 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 3: can do it, because you you won't have to work 495 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 3: out as much. 496 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 2: Our friend Nick here is a Bob Odenkirk psycho fan. Oh, 497 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 2: he's our articular producer the show. And I know he's 498 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 2: brought up so many things. 499 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 3: What do you know, Nick, Well, you were going through 500 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 3: Miller commercial that I did. 501 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 2: No career retrospective. I live in an alternative universe sometimes 502 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 2: where Bob Odenkirk is Michael Scott. Yeah. Oh okay, okay, yeah, 503 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 2: and uh, I'm fascinated by how that went down. And 504 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 2: then you actually came back in season nine. 505 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 3: So the guy who adapted the Office the British Office 506 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 3: for American TV is Greg Daniels, and Greg was Conan 507 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 3: O'Brien's writing partner out of Harvard, and then they came 508 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 3: to SNL four shows after I did as a writer. 509 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 3: So we all were like a group, me, Robert Smigel, 510 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 3: Conan O'Brien, and Greg Daniels for a year and we 511 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 3: just wrote a lot together and became good friends. Greg 512 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,959 Speaker 3: left went to La Conan stayed. We stuck together as 513 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 3: a group then, but we knew each other. And then 514 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 3: I had done Larry Sanders and various things that recommended 515 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 3: me for maybe playing that role of Michael Scott, and 516 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 3: so I got an audition and I was happy to 517 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,640 Speaker 3: do it because I knew the British office, because you know, 518 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 3: I knew like all the British comedy and I still 519 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 3: do because it's always they're always kind of a little 520 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 3: more cutting edge than they can be. They're not always, 521 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 3: but they can be because of just the way they 522 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 3: think about TV and shows. They do shorter runs, they 523 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 3: do more weird stuff, they try stuff a little bit 524 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 3: more than we do, and they follow through on that. Anyway, 525 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 3: I got an audition, I felt like I could do 526 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 3: this part really really well, and I couldn't wait to 527 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 3: do it. I had a great time doing it. I 528 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,679 Speaker 3: knew Steve Carrell, I didn't know him well. Steve and 529 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 3: I have had like parallel careers where we've never except 530 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 3: for the Dana Carvey Show where I was a writer 531 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 3: and he. 532 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 2: Was that show. 533 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 4: That show, dude, the schedule. They would go pay for 534 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 4: things and leave. Yeah, freaking that move. That show was hilarious. 535 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. I didn't help a lot there, but I was 536 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:32,400 Speaker 3: a writer, yeah, and I and I and I knew 537 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 3: him from a little I I didn't it cross paths 538 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 3: at Second City with Steve, but i'd seen him there, 539 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,919 Speaker 3: you know, you see each other around, and uh, he 540 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 3: seemed perfect to me to play that role, and I 541 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 3: seem perfect to that. And you know, I've just I 542 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 3: probably should want things more, but I don't really care. 543 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 3: I mean, if he gets it good and then I 544 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 3: just get to go do my stuff. I think he 545 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 3: probably looks at it the same way. I don't know. 546 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 3: I'm not really an actor actor, like I. 547 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 2: Mean, is that out? Yeah? 548 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 3: So I I started. I come at this whole industry 549 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 3: as a writer, as an inventor of stuff. So whenever 550 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 3: I didn't get a role because I did audition for 551 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 3: other things to what was that show the family had 552 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 3: come that ran on Fox for so many these modern family. 553 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 3: I read for that and there were a bunch of roles. 554 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 3: It worked out, yeah, because I don't I as soon 555 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 3: as I don't get the role, I just go okay, 556 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 3: cool and I take out a piece of paper and 557 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 3: start writing something. 558 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 4: Okay, wait, you have normal coming out in the Macha 559 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 4: Pichu documentary. Is there something you're working on right now 560 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 4: that we can go. 561 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 3: My son wrote a really great show and uh, it's 562 00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 3: called Quality Time, and I think we got a shot 563 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 3: at getting that TV show. 564 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 2: It's a TV show, like a Netflix. 565 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 3: Thing, like, well somebody hopefully. We haven't pitched it, but 566 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 3: we're gonna. No he's not in it. I'm not in it, 567 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 3: but I want to direct it. It's i'll tell you what. 568 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 3: It's got DNA of Seinfeld and it's got DNA of 569 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 3: a great British show. You're a comedy nerd, and if 570 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 3: you want to see a really great half hour comedy, 571 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 3: it's called The Royal Family r O Y l E. 572 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 3: It's a family. 573 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 2: It's it's like it's like airplane. 574 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 3: No, No, it's no, it's the one where they're just 575 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 3: it's a family in Manchester and they just watch TV, 576 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 3: and you watch them watching TV and they just tear 577 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 3: each other to bit. It's a brilliant show. So it's 578 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 3: got DNA of Seinfeld. That show and some other shows 579 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 3: that you would like, like home movies and stuff. 580 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: Do you like dark comedies? What makes you laugh? 581 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 3: Silly stuff? Chris Guests. I've been watching all the christ movies. 582 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 2: Because I know you. Did you write that one? I 583 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 2: know you? I know you from the Olympics, The Olympics. 584 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, the Strong. Yeah. I've been watching all the Chris 585 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 3: Guests stuff because Wee O'Hara and she was the funniest lady. 586 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: Ever waiting for Guffman is a genius. 587 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 3: And all her sc TV stuff. 588 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. 589 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 2: My Grondley teachers are in those movies. 590 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 591 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 2: Hitchcock, Yeah yeah, Michael McDonald, Michael Hitchcock. Yeah, they were 592 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 2: both my I mean. 593 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 3: They're all good. You know, some are better than others, 594 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 3: but you can hang out in any of them. They're awesome. 595 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 3: I've been watching and the and the award goes to 596 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 3: It's for your consideration, and God, there's so many funny 597 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 3: moments in it. 598 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and some of them you have to see a 599 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: few times because they're so clearly stupid. 600 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 3: I'll tell you Waiting for Govman. I just finished watching 601 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 3: Waiting for That is like, by the way, I'm in 602 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 3: that movie one for one and a half seconds. 603 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: Remind me, remind me, I s. 604 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 3: So what happened was I'm I'm in full opera makeup 605 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 3: waiting to audition. Oh wow, I never They didn't use 606 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 3: my audition. So what happened was Chris called me and said, 607 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 3: would you come play a character in this film? And 608 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 3: I was a big fan of Chris Guest and everything 609 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 3: he does, and so I said yes, And he goes, 610 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 3: You're going to sing a song, and you have to 611 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 3: sing this song because we have the rights to it 612 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 3: because we have no money. And it was an opera song, 613 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 3: and I don't know opera, but it was a famous 614 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 3: opera song. Is it nesson Dorma? 615 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 2: Yeah? 616 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 3: Do you know what it's You would actually know, you 617 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 3: would actually know the melody. Is it what they sing 618 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 3: in the the play a Lot? Is it the one 619 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 3: they play a lot in the Sopranos? The wife loves 620 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 3: this song and she plays karm calm, calm plays it? Okay? Anyway, 621 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 3: So I'm like, Okay, so I got to do an 622 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 3: opera song, so gosh and I and I'm he told 623 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 3: me your character is the local priest, he's a or 624 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 3: he's a reverend. So so then I did my my 625 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 3: joke that I cooked up because he lets you invent 626 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 3: your character, you know, was that I was gonna be 627 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 3: a guy who's like, you know, I have a I 628 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 3: have a mass. I'm kind of on stage. It's kind 629 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 3: of unfair for me to audition because I basically act 630 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 3: and perform five times a week. We've done some really 631 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 3: elaborate you know, we do a rock and roll mass 632 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 3: flash pots in here. So he's going so I'm just 633 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 3: gonna go easy. I'm not gonna try very hard. I'm 634 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 3: I'm just gonna you know, it's not fair to the 635 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 3: other people. And then I show up in full opera makeup, 636 00:32:55,480 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 3: like from Amadeus, and then I belt out this opera song. 637 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 3: As it turns out, it wasn't as funny as it 638 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 3: needed to be. But actually it just funny, and it's 639 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 3: that movie is perfect. Is why I brought it up. 640 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 3: Because that movie is perfect. You you know a lot 641 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 3: of movies you're like, oh, wait for a good moment. 642 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 3: But that movie is just one good moment after. 643 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 2: That's why I feel about Normal. I thought Normal was 644 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 2: it flawed movie? For real? I you know, good? It 645 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 2: was a perfect It's ninety minutes long. Yeah, it's freaking funny, 646 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 2: it's packed with action. It's it's it's like, you don't 647 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 2: have to sit there and go whether or not it's 648 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 2: politically correct or whether it's it's woke. It's just a 649 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 2: fun movie. 650 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 1: It gives you enough to care about the characters that it's. 651 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 3: Like an old style movie. I don't know why is that? 652 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 3: But why is it like an old movie? 653 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 2: Why? 654 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 3: Because it it promises you ninety minutes of movie fun 655 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 3: and it gives you that yeah. 656 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's. 657 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 3: Such a generic way of putting it. I there's gotta 658 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 3: be more to it than that. But somehow you sit 659 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 3: down and watch this movie and right away it tells 660 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 3: you we made a movie, and you go, oh, I'm 661 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 3: watching a movie. This is going to be satisfying like 662 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 3: a movie is, And then it is it is? And 663 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,320 Speaker 3: why is that unique? 664 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 2: You know what reminded me of? Also? Your movie? It 665 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 2: is one of those movies. 666 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,839 Speaker 4: It was an old I've only saw it one time, 667 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,879 Speaker 4: but I remember being so good was a simple plan. 668 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, Billy, Bob d that's that. 669 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 4: It reminded me of that too, because you finished that 670 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 4: movie like, holy shit, that's a great movie and this 671 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 4: is a great movie. 672 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 3: Well I just feel no, no, it feels like just 673 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 3: a movie that you have a great time. 674 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 2: Watching should win the MTV movie. 675 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 3: You wore that. 676 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's go see this. 677 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,319 Speaker 3: Well, thank you, you gotta go. 678 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 2: Bob Win's it in the theaters April seventeenth, okay, April seventeenth, Man, 679 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:49,839 Speaker 2: thank you so much for coming to both of you, guys. 680 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 3: Chris, thank you so much, thank you, thank you very. 681 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,319 Speaker 2: So excited, thank you very much. It was freaking awesome, man. 682 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 3: Thanks