1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: Happy Friday, Michael and Dragon and all the gouber's out there. 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: I don't mean to sound like a complaining goober or 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: an entitled listener of iHeartMedia radio for quite a long 4 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: time now, and I've been playing these contests for five years, 5 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 1: solidly sending in my keywords, just wondering what phone number 6 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: might they call from so I don't miss them as 7 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 1: a spam call, but just curious because I've been playing 8 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: for a long time and I haven't won a thousand dollars. 9 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 2: Well, uh, I'm other than she hasn't won a thousand dollars. 10 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:42,480 Speaker 2: I get that, and she's been playing for a long time. Okay, 11 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 2: I get that, But what was it about the spam 12 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 2: calls or the spam Well, what was that I misunderstood. 13 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 3: She's afraid that if she does get the winning call 14 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 3: that says that. 15 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 4: She was the curst, she's gonna miss it. 16 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 3: She's going to miss it because some phones and services 17 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 3: block out unknown numbers or potential spam calls. 18 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 2: Well, oh, speaking of which, I phone was ringing right 19 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 2: now and I had no idea who it is. And 20 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 2: the other day I kept getting this call from Fort 21 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 2: Loupton and it but but the phone was not marketing 22 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 2: it as potential spam. But I got like three or 23 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 2: four of them in a row, so I finally answered it. 24 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 4: It was a nurse. 25 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 2: From my doctor's office calling from her personal cell phone. 26 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 2: Oh so it's just lucky that I got it. Then 27 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:34,279 Speaker 2: yesterday I get a call a din for number. 28 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 4: It calls once. 29 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 2: I didn't answer, It calls back, like you know, within 30 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 2: thirty seconds, does it like three times? I finally answer 31 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 2: it and the minute I say hello, oh, I'm for 32 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 2: my wrong number and just hangs up. 33 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 4: All right. 34 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 2: Then about five minutes later, same number again. So I thought, 35 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 2: you know, I'm tell this guy like, come stop it. 36 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:10,679 Speaker 2: And what happens? Oh, wrong number again? So looked, I 37 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 2: don't care whether there's wrong number or not. I don't 38 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:17,679 Speaker 2: know what to tell you about since I can't even 39 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 2: enter the contest. But if I want a thousand dollars, 40 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 2: that'd be like double my salary. 41 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 3: Now, with the keyword for cash contest, you will hear 42 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 3: a keyword sometime every hour throughout this show as to 43 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 3: what the keyword is. Then you go to KWA Colorado 44 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,959 Speaker 3: dot com and you enter in that keyword in the 45 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 3: little the little prompt with a little pop up, and 46 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:44,119 Speaker 3: I think from that point. 47 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 4: Now you know all about this, don't you. 48 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 5: I work here, This is my job, Michael. 49 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 3: You may think I don't pay attention to you, but 50 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 3: I do pay attention to other things around the building. 51 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 5: That I need to know. 52 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 3: Oh okay, okay, there's that little pop up and then 53 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 3: you just enter in that keyword. It will ask some 54 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 3: kind of thing. So it's like your email address, your 55 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 3: phone number, of things of that nature. So I'm sure 56 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 3: I don't know because like Michael and I, we cannot enter, 57 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 3: so it will probably contact you one of the ways 58 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 3: that you log in for so it's either your phone 59 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 3: number or your email or whatsoever. So they I would 60 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 3: like to also think that if they can't get a 61 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 3: hold of you through phone, they'll email you or leave 62 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 3: a voicemail. 63 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 5: Or something along those kind of lines. But I don't 64 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 5: know for. 65 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 2: Sure, because if you want, they're going to try every 66 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 2: contact information they have to recorrect. 67 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 4: Yeah. 68 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, However, if they miss one of our paychecks, they'll 69 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 2: be like, eh, no, Colin, don't worry about that. True, 70 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 2: So yeah, thousand dollars. I make sure that they get 71 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 2: that thousand dollars out. 72 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 3: So sometime this hour, when you hear that keyword, just 73 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 3: you know, write it down relatively quickly, hop on over 74 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 3: to Koacolorado dot com. There'll be a little pop up 75 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 3: once you go to the website and it says what's 76 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 3: keyword or something along those kind of lines, and you 77 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 3: just type that in hit submit. Then it will ask 78 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 3: you a whole laundry list of things to do at 79 00:03:57,840 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 3: that point. 80 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 2: Right now, don't connect what I'm about to say with 81 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 2: anything you just said. Okay, so let's put a little 82 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 2: you know, Chinese firewall or whatever they call it. Well, yeah, yeah, 83 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 2: I just want to say, for the record, I hate 84 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 2: nothing more than pop ups when I go to a website. 85 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 5: This is a good one. It's so that you care 86 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 5: how good. 87 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 6: Of this is. 88 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 4: There's nothing more so. 89 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 2: And particularly there are some websites like Media Eye the 90 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 2: Hill where uh well even like locally some of the 91 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 2: news stations. You know, when I'm trying to find a 92 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 2: Michael Brown minute. You go on and there's a pop up, 93 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 2: you get rid of it, and then some player starts 94 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 2: automatically playing and as you scroll you it goes down 95 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 2: to the corner, so you click it to shut it. 96 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 2: Down and then once you do that, then it comes 97 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 2: down with a little drop down. Oh would you like notifications? No, 98 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 2: I tell I tell you know, every single time. So 99 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 2: with all the cookies that get placed on your on 100 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 2: your hard driveway, there will be a cookie. This says, 101 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 2: this guy doesn't like pop ups, and this guy doesn't 102 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 2: like you know, notifications. 103 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 3: Now it does say here too, is when I went 104 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 3: over to KOA, call it right out a comet that 105 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 3: that pop up says, listen to KOA eight fifty am 106 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 3: and ninety four one FM weekdays in the nine am, 107 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 3: ten am, eleven, twelve, one, two, three, four and five 108 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 3: hours for the nationwide one thousand dollars keyword, then enter 109 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 3: it here for your chance to win. So a little 110 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 3: bit later we will give you that keyword and then 111 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 3: you just hit that little submit button and then it 112 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 3: will give you a whole loaders laundry list. 113 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 4: Of things to do. 114 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 2: So and now as you were saying that, so I 115 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 2: have started, uh scheduling an ex post every morning between 116 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 2: nine and nine oh four. This says something to the effect. Yeah, 117 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 2: the situation with Michael Brown is starting now on KOA 118 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:52,799 Speaker 2: News Radio. And I had eight fifty Am and ninety 119 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 2: four to one FM, or you know anywhere, or you 120 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 2: know always on the iHeart app some something to that effect. 121 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 2: And it's been I've been doing that for about two 122 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 2: weeks now, and I start getting some replies back. I 123 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 2: thought you started at nine am, not eight fifty am. 124 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 2: Oh boy, So I had to flip. I thought, well, 125 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 2: how do I fix that? So I flipped and said 126 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 2: on at ninety four on KOA News Radio at ninety 127 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 2: four one FM or eight fifty am. 128 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 3: I would also like to say that we also do 129 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 3: the situation reloaded on our sister station six point thirty 130 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 3: k HOW. They are also running a similar contest and 131 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 3: it's the same kind of thing there. Just go to 132 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 3: khow dot com when you hear that hour's keyword, and 133 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 3: they'll also be doing it sometime between nine am every 134 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 3: hour between. 135 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 4: Now. 136 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 2: For all of you that win that thousand dollars, I 137 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 2: just want you when you when you get your thousand dollars, 138 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 2: I just want you to remember because once again, it's 139 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 2: like everything else, nothing is really free. So you're not 140 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 2: winning a free thousand dollars. What you're winning is one 141 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 2: thousand dollars that could have gone to either me or 142 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 2: dragon in terms of salary. 143 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 3: And also know if you listen to this show here 144 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 3: live on eight fifty KOA or nine ninety four one FM, 145 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 3: that there are three chances during this show, but there 146 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 3: is also two chances during the reload the reload show. 147 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 2: So I give, I give, I give the goobers five opportunity. 148 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 2: See this program pays to listen to the only show 149 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 2: that pays more than anybody else. And that's in addition 150 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 2: to the money we send every month to the twelve goobers. 151 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 4: To listen to us. 152 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 3: If you're listening live here on KOA, that's ka Colorader 153 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 3: dot com. Or if you're listening to the Situation reloaded 154 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 3: on six thirty k HOW, that's khow dot com. 155 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 4: And as long as. 156 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 2: We're doing this, can I remind people that they can 157 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 2: win one of three pairs of AFC Championship tickets from KOA. 158 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 2: They can win five thirty today on KOA Sports and 159 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 2: on koa Instagram and their X pages. I think we 160 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 2: should have triple X pages, but they can win on 161 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 2: the X pages. And it's all thanks to Common Spirit Health, 162 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 2: which is the official healthcare partner of the Denver Broncos 163 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 2: Mountain dot Comspirit dot org, Mountain dot Common Spirit dot org. 164 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 4: Okay, got that? 165 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 5: Got it? 166 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 4: How'd you like that one? 167 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,239 Speaker 3: It was mediocre at best, but I mean you you 168 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 3: got through it. 169 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 4: I'm trying. 170 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 2: It's Friday, it's colder that a well digger's butt out 171 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 2: there right now. 172 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 3: One more friendly reminder, taxpayer relief shots in the eleven 173 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 3: o'clock hour on koa exclusive home Exclusive taxpayer relief Shots. 174 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 2: Exct right, the exclusive home of taxpayer relief shots. So 175 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 2: let's swerve from all of that folderol into something that's 176 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 2: equally boring. Education policy. So I got cornered last yesterday 177 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 2: after the program. I don't mean that in a bad way, 178 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,959 Speaker 2: but Rob, the news director, came out and he had 179 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 2: been having a phone conversation about education and tabor and 180 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 2: some things going on at the Colorado Public Girl. So 181 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 2: I want to talk about education policy for a moment, 182 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 2: which normally triggers pretty much the same response as discussing, oh, 183 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 2: I don't know, say, municipal sewer bonds, polite interest masking 184 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 2: profound boredom. Then I'm gonna ask you to stick with me, 185 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 2: because what's happening right now in Colorado is really a 186 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 2: case study and how democrat accountability gets completely dismantled, right 187 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 2: and in plain sight and with some applause. Usually, well, 188 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 2: everybody's looking the other way at something else. Now, if 189 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 2: you understand how this works, the mechanics of it, the 190 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 2: rhetorical slide of hand, then you'll recognize that the next subody, 191 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 2: next time somebody tries it in your state, in your 192 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 2: school district, your school board, or they tried it once 193 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 2: again in Colorado, because it's not really about education. It's 194 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 2: all guys in the education policy. It's all for the children, right, 195 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 2: we care about the children here. Well, it's really about 196 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 2: his power oversight and what happens when the people who 197 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 2: are supposed to be watching the watchers decide they'd rather 198 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 2: not be watched at all. These y'all who's they would 199 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 2: just prefer that, like our newsroom, just go away, just 200 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 2: let just let them operate, you know, independently, without any 201 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 2: sort of Well they don't have our newsroom, like Rob, 202 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 2: they really do. Like again, Rob had really great questions yesterday, 203 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 2: and I would like to believe that some of the 204 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 2: station's television stations in Denver have an equally level an 205 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 2: equal level of inquisitiveness about what's going on at the 206 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 2: state Capitol. But some of them are just stenographers for 207 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 2: what the Democrats want to do. Now, for you that 208 00:10:55,520 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 2: are unfamiliar with our governance structure in Colorado, the State 209 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 2: Board of Education consists of seven elected officials whose constitutional 210 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 2: duty not statutory. They have a constitutional duty to oversee 211 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 2: the state's public education system. They set academic standards, they 212 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 2: approve accountability measures, They manage a seven billion dollar budget, 213 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 2: and theoretically, theoretically they ensure that almost a million students, 214 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 2: I think around nine hundred thousand students are actually being 215 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 2: educated as opposed to just being warehoused or just like 216 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 2: you know, a taxpayer paid paid day care center. Well, 217 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 2: Police has announced that he'd like to eliminate the Colorado 218 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 2: State Board of Education. He doesn't want to reform it, 219 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 2: he doesn't want to restructure it. He wants to eliminate 220 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 2: it entirely. Now, his argument is pretty straightforward. He says 221 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 2: the current board is dysfunctional, that it is politically divided, 222 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 2: and oftentimes the State Board of Education is deadlocked. Well, governor, 223 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 2: that's the way our system is supposed to work. 224 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,839 Speaker 4: Now. The dysfunctionality is usually because of. 225 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 2: The people that are on it, not because of the 226 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 2: structure politically divided. That's the nature of the beast deadlocked. Well, 227 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:26,319 Speaker 2: you know you don't want deadlocked. What you really want 228 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 2: is you want democrat control. So based on all of that, 229 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 2: his idea is, let's just eliminate the redundancy, transfer the 230 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 2: State Board of Education responsibilities to the Department of Education, 231 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 2: streamline operations, save money, and empower local districts to make 232 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 2: their own decisions. Now that sounds pretty good, right, clean, efficient, 233 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 2: appealing to bipartisan frustration with government gridlocked. Now I'm frustrated. 234 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 2: Although I think I've told this audience before, but I 235 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 2: know we're still relatively new. I'm not a big proponent 236 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:11,439 Speaker 2: of bipartisanship because oftentimes bipartisanship means compromising or just abandoning 237 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 2: your principles altogether in order to. 238 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 4: Just get something done. 239 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:19,439 Speaker 2: Sometimes just getting something done is worse than doing nothing 240 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 2: at all. But the pitch that Polus is providing is 241 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 2: not good because it's not true. That may be more precise, 242 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 2: the description is true because the board is dysfunctional, but 243 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 2: the motivation Polus is offering is not the real motivation, 244 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 2: and the solution that Polus is providing doesn't solve the 245 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 2: problem that he's describing. In other words, he's telling you 246 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,199 Speaker 2: one thing, but he really means another. I know you're 247 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 2: shocked right what it does do and this is where 248 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 2: we need to pay very close attention is it eliminates 249 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 2: the last meaningful check on some very powerful interests who 250 00:13:55,720 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 2: have every reason to avoid scrutiny. The Colorado Accountability Project, 251 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 2: which if you don't subscribe to it, you don't have 252 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,319 Speaker 2: to pay for it. I think that actually puts it 253 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 2: out just for free. I read it every single day. 254 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 2: Discovered when they actually read the proposal and talked to 255 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 2: the stakeholders, that it's not about streamlining government, it's about 256 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 2: killing accountability measures that make people uncomfortable. Now, Colorado has 257 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:29,359 Speaker 2: two key accountability tools. The first one is the School 258 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 2: Performance Framework. That's the system that evaluates schools based on 259 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 2: actual academic outcomes, which in Colorado is not very good sometimes. 260 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 2: And then there's the second accountability measure, the Unified Improvement 261 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 2: Plan Process a uIP, not an IUD. A uIP, which 262 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 2: requires failing schools to create concrete plans for improvement. Concrete 263 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 2: asphalt doesn't make any difference. Stags want concrete plans for improvement. 264 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 2: Now these are not per the instruments, but they actually 265 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 2: do something important, which is unusual for me to admit this. 266 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 2: They create consequences if you persistently fail. So schools repeatedly 267 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 2: fail to educate students face escalating interventions up to and 268 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 2: including closing them down or reconstituting the schools altogether. And 269 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 2: guess what, I know you may be shocked by this, 270 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 2: but there's a coalition of interest that hates accountability. That's 271 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 2: a pregnant pause to give you an idea for a 272 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 2: moment to think about who might not like accountability for 273 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 2: whether or not you're rug rats are actually being educated 274 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 2: in the public classroom in government schools. 275 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 4: That would be the the Denver Classroom Teachers Association. 276 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 7: Happy Friday from your Oklahoma prior Oklahoma goober, I just 277 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 7: wanted to give you a suggestion. My There is a 278 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 7: app called a Brave Browser. Use that instead of like 279 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 7: Chrome or the Microsoft browser. It blocks a whole of 280 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 7: pop ups and ads, and I use it for YouTube 281 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 7: videos because it blocks all the commercials in the YouTube 282 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 7: videos and that's a whole lot of usefulness. 283 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 4: Check it out. Have a great Friday, Well. 284 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 2: Not to be a snob, but I'm just looking here 285 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 2: at at my dock. I've got Safari Chrome, Comment, Firefox Brave, 286 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:43,479 Speaker 2: and then occasionally I will use a tour browser. So yeah, 287 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 2: I'm fairly technically. Uh good, I will also so I 288 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 2: appreciate the comment. 289 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 3: We did get a text from the on the other 290 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 3: text line, which I know you're not ever going to read. 291 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 3: You don't even know the other number, but it's three 292 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 3: three one oh three for the situation with Michael Brown. 293 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 5: Three three one oh three text Mike or Michael. But 294 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 5: this text message came in and said when I won. 295 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 3: We're referring to the cash contest that we discussed in 296 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 3: the previous segment. When I won, the call said something 297 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 3: like no number assigned. Normally I wouldn't have answered it, 298 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 3: but I had just put in the keyword not too 299 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 3: long before that and went ahead and took a chance. 300 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 5: Glad I did. And that's from Michelle. 301 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 4: Well, congratulations, Michelle. Michelle. 302 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 2: We haven't gotten our share of that thousand dollars yet either, 303 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 2: con you know, so tell you Michelle here, you gotta listen, Dragon. 304 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 4: I gotta eat, we gotta eat. We need some we 305 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 4: need we need our cut. 306 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 2: So the Denver Classroom Teachers Association all these proposals that 307 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 2: were polists look polish is trying to make you think 308 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 2: that he is for more accountability. And all of this 309 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 2: is performed politics in Colorado, same thing that happens in 310 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 2: states all across the country. So all these measures that 311 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 2: police is proposing, including eliminating state Board of Education a 312 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 2: constitutional requirement, the Denver Classroom Teachers Association has come out 313 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 2: and I'm sure they told policts ahead of the time 314 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 2: they were going to do this. They call the measures 315 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 2: punitive and they're actively lobbing right now for their elimination. 316 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:31,959 Speaker 2: You know why because just listen to it. Let me 317 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 2: just make a statement and listen. I know you don't 318 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 2: listen very often. I'm just asking you to listen to 319 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:40,719 Speaker 2: me for a few seconds. The Denver Classroom Teachers Association 320 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 2: says these measures are punitive because their argument is that 321 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 2: holding schools accountable for student outcomes is unfair to the teachers. Well, 322 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 2: who are we supposed to hold accountab before student outcomes? 323 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 2: The janitors, huh, repair man, the student, the the resource 324 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 2: officer from the county sheriff's officer, the police department. That's 325 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 2: standing around, you know, trying to protect the kids, the 326 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 2: bus drivers. Who the hell are we supposed to hold 327 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:19,919 Speaker 2: accountable for student outcomes other than the teachers. I know, 328 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 2: you could throw parents in there, but the parents, you know, 329 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 2: send the kids to the schools because the government schools 330 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 2: are supposed to teach, not indoctrinate, indocutat or teach the kids. 331 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 4: I just find it absolutely hilarious and maddening. 332 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 2: Now, the charter school lobby, which you think would love accountability, 333 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,919 Speaker 2: also once these measures gone, because accountability cuts both ways. 334 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 2: It means that they can ask some hard questions about 335 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 2: enrollment practices, their financial management, and whether the charters are 336 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 2: actually outperforming the traditional government schools and the rural districts 337 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 2: don't want to be compared to suburban schools that have 338 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 2: different demographics and resources, and progressive education reformers they're arguing 339 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:10,199 Speaker 2: that the standard measure don't capture the whole child. I 340 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 2: just like to use the phrase capture the whole child. 341 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 2: So you've got this really bizarre coalition unions, charters, rural districts, 342 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 2: progressives all aligned against measurable accountability. We live in the 343 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 2: zero accountability world. Now pose this proposal interestingly, I think 344 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 2: gives them exactly what they want. Now, the governor's people 345 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 2: will tell you, I mean this is very important. We're 346 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 2: not eliminating accountability. We're strengthening accountability by moving it to 347 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 2: the Department of Education where professionals I eat, teachers or 348 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 2: teacher union members can implement it more effectively. So let's 349 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 2: examine that claim with the care that I think it deserves. First, 350 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 2: the Department of Education is headed by a commissioner who serves 351 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:05,199 Speaker 2: at the governor's pleasure. There's no electoral accountability, there's no 352 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 2: independence from political pressure. The education commissioner's job security depends 353 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 2: on what keeping police happy. Now, the State Board of Education, 354 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 2: for all of its dysfunction, answers directly to you, a voter. Now, 355 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 2: if they screw up, you can throw them out. If 356 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 2: the department screws up. If the State Department of Educations, 357 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 2: you can, you can, you can, you can? 358 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 4: You can? 359 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 2: Well, well you can till your thumbs vote against the 360 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,479 Speaker 2: governor four years later and hope the next one actually 361 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 2: does really care about education. Oh my god, the performative 362 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 2: and unaccountable world that we now live in drives this 363 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 2: old boom or crazy. Now the second, when you eliminate 364 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 2: an elected board and you replace it with appointed bureaucrats, 365 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 2: you eliminate the political incentive structure that actually makes accountability work. Now, 366 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 2: right now, state board members face voters who maybe care 367 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 2: about school quality. So the state board is motivated to 368 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 2: show results, or at least show the voters they're. 369 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 4: Trying to get results. 370 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 2: But a bureaucrat in a department over on Colfax Avenue, 371 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 2: they're motivated to making their boss look bad and to 372 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 2: keep stakeholders happy. And which stakeholders have that most access 373 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 2: to the bureaucrats in the Department of Education. 374 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 4: Well, the organized ones. 375 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 2: I'm sorry that may be a little too morphous for you, 376 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 2: a little too vague for you. What stakeholders have the 377 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 2: most access to the bureaucrats in the Department of Education 378 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 2: The unions, the well funded ones, the ones that can 379 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 2: buy lobbyists and make campaign contributions. 380 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 4: So far, in almost forty minutes. 381 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 2: Of this conversation, we haven't talked about parents, not students. 382 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 2: We've only talked about special interests. So I would ask 383 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 2: simply show me the enforcement mechanism in Polici's proposal. I've 384 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,360 Speaker 2: read it, I've looked for the section that says, when 385 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 2: schools fail to meet standards, here's what happens. You won't 386 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,360 Speaker 2: find it. There's no timeline, no consequences, no teeth, There's 387 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 2: no nothing there, which I think may be exactly the point. Now, 388 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 2: some of you might be thinking, well, this is Colorado, 389 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 2: Why do I care? Because this is a pattern, it's 390 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 2: not an anomaly. Across the entire country. We're seeing a 391 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 2: similar phenomenon. Accountability systems that were installed during the standards 392 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 2: and testing era of education reform. They're now being slowly 393 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 2: but methodically dismantled, not through direct repeal, through bureaucratic reorganization. 394 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:06,199 Speaker 2: Because the rhetoric drives me crazy. Local control, trust the educators, 395 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 2: holistic measures, where students centered, and the result always the same. 396 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:17,199 Speaker 2: You get less transparency, you get fewer consequences, and you 397 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 2: get more power concentrated in hands. Now, this hour's chance 398 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 2: to win that thousand dollars is coming up in the 399 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 2: next five minutes thanks to Mercedes Bins of Littleton Mercedesoflyttleton. 400 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 6: Dot com about this, about this contest that's going on. 401 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 6: I don't think I'm ever going to be able to 402 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 6: win because I thought I was only competing against the 403 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 6: thirteen or fourteen listeners you have. And now I hear 404 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 6: that dragon says it's a nationwide contest. Oh my gosh, 405 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,880 Speaker 6: you can even hear my cat is in distress over this. 406 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 5: That poor cat. 407 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 4: That's one of the best thought my thief had ages. 408 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 4: That was pretty good. 409 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:04,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a nationwide contest, but it's just when you 410 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 2: go to KOA. It's just for those that go to KOA, right, 411 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 2: because other stations going to their own website. Correct, so 412 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 2: they're giving away lots of thousands of dollars. No oh 413 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 2: oh seriously, yes, oh so she's right. 414 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 3: But free money is free money, and or ko dot com. 415 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 3: That's right, Kingham, which show you're listening to, and you 416 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 3: know it's. 417 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 2: All worth we get to talk back like that. The 418 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 2: cat's in the strict It's wonderful because I was trying 419 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 2: to listen to what she kept saying, but I was 420 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 2: honestly listening to strong That poor cat. 421 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 4: Get that feedback, cat. Okay, This whole. 422 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 2: Education thing, I know, might seem like a little bit 423 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 2: of inside baseball and education policy. So let me connect 424 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 2: this to something that you deal with every single day. 425 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 2: How many times have you tried to persuade somebody and 426 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 2: you know, a friend of family member, a coworker, I 427 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 2: don't care about a political issue, only to have them 428 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 2: tell you. But the experts say, or you know, the 429 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 2: government would never do that, or you're just a sine. 430 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,439 Speaker 2: What we're watching in Colorado is truly a masterclass in 431 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:16,360 Speaker 2: how experts and governments do do that, how they use 432 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 2: good government rhetoric to advance bad government outcomes, how they 433 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 2: exploit dfunction that they created to justify consolidating power. I 434 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 2: don't know why I'm laughing about this. I think it's 435 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 2: because it's so blatantly obvious. And the reason this matters 436 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 2: for you, for your ability to persuade people in your 437 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 2: sphere of influence, is that you need to be able 438 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 2: to explain the mechanics of how this works. Not just 439 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 2: politicians are corrupt. We all know that, or the system 440 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 2: is rigged. We know that that's just lazy cynicism, and 441 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 2: people begin to tune it out. Here's the state of justification, 442 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 2: here's the real motivation. Here's how you can tell the difference. 443 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 2: Here's what will actually happen if this passes. When you 444 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 2: do that, that becomes persuasion, and that's how you move 445 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 2: people from a vague suspicion to actually informed opposition. They 446 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 2: actually understand why, as opposed to just a gut feel 447 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 2: that it's wrong. But let me just because I tend 448 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 2: to do this, let me steal a man. The other side, 449 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 2: which said, well, that's what a good lawyer would do. Anyway, 450 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 2: here's the best argument for police's proposal. I'm gonna tear 451 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,439 Speaker 2: it apart. At the same time, the state Board of 452 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,919 Speaker 2: Education in Colorado really is dysfunctional. They can't agree on 453 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 2: basic policy. They've been captured by the ideological extremes that 454 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 2: we're dealing with in this country. They're not serving the students. 455 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 2: And you know what, that is largely true. But here's 456 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 2: the response. The answer to bad elected oversight is not 457 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 2: what police is providing, which is no elected oversight. 458 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 4: The answer is electing better people. 459 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,679 Speaker 2: So when your school board sucks, you don't eliminate the 460 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 2: school board. You run a better candidate. You yourself, get 461 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 2: off your button, you go run for vote. You run 462 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 2: for school board the show, but meetings, you vote. The 463 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:09,919 Speaker 2: beauty of electoral accountability is that it's actually fixable by citizens. 464 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 2: Once the bureaucracy gets attached. Accountability is not. Once you 465 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 2: eliminate the elected layer, you've eliminated your leverage. Now it's 466 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 2: post The second argument is this, local control is good. 467 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 2: Districts should make their own decisions, and I agree with that. 468 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 2: But local control with no state accountability is just federalism 469 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 2: for failing schools. It means that all the wealthy districts, oh, 470 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 2: they can thrive, the poor districts they can fail indefinitely 471 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 2: without any consequence. And then there's Polist's third argument. Standardized 472 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 2: testing doesn't measure what really matters. Okay, fine, then propose 473 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 2: better measures. But by better measures, I don't mean no measures, 474 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 2: which is why he's providing or offering. It means different 475 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 2: measures that still create consequences for failure. Show me where 476 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 2: proposal includes those better measures. Show me where it says 477 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 2: what happens when the school when the schools fail the kids. 478 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 2: You can't because it doesn't. So when you go home, 479 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 2: when you talk to your people in your communities, when 480 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 2: this issue or issue comes up, ask the question that 481 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 2: comes through all the rhetoric, what happens when schools fail 482 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 2: kids under this system? If the answer is clear, specific 483 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 2: where it includes real consequences on a real timeline. Then 484 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 2: maybe there really is reform, but the answer is vague. 485 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 2: Or defer to a local decision making, or we'll trust 486 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 2: the bureaucrafts to do the right thing. No, it's the 487 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 2: elimination of accountability dressed up in the language or progress, 488 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 2: and that's exactly what Polis is doing here. 489 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 4: Don't let him fool you.