WEBVTT - Thom Brennaman -- 10/15/25

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<v Speaker 1>We always love having Greg stebin join us our business Insider.

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<v Speaker 1>You can follow him on blue sky at Greg g

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<v Speaker 1>r E g G Steven ste b asn't boy bas

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<v Speaker 1>and boy e n all Right, a couple of articles

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<v Speaker 1>before we get going with Greg. Earlier this week, Doug McMillan,

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<v Speaker 1>who is the CEO of Walmart, had this to say

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<v Speaker 1>about AI. And we're talking a lot about AI. He says,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe there's a job in the world that AI won't change,

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<v Speaker 1>but I haven't thought of it yet. Meanwhile, over at Forbes,

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<v Speaker 1>a very different sort of take an article called how

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<v Speaker 1>small Businesses are really Using AI? So, Greg Steben, what

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<v Speaker 1>can we learn from these two extreme views about artificial intelligence?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, so, the interesting thing is Walmart is throwing a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of money at AI. And if you're wondering, like,

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<v Speaker 2>where's the job growth opportunity? And I know we've talked

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<v Speaker 2>about this before, it's AI. Learn to use AI. Learn

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<v Speaker 2>to make what are called agents, be an AI consultants,

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<v Speaker 2>whether on your own or inside of your company, so

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<v Speaker 2>that you're the person they call when they want to

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<v Speaker 2>make something happen using an AI platform, or maybe even

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<v Speaker 2>deciding which AI platform should we use? So that's in

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<v Speaker 2>the world of Walmart. They have lots of money to

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<v Speaker 2>throw at it, and they, I'm sure believe that by

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<v Speaker 2>spending a lot of money on AI, it will give

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<v Speaker 2>them a competitive advantage over somebody I don't know who,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe Amazon, maybe you with a storefront in Cincinnati. Small business.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the Forbes article. They interviewed a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>small business owners and it's exactly the opposite. It couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be more different. The small business owners are saying, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's like a little better Google Search. Maybe it

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<v Speaker 2>saves me ten minutes a day.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I would listen to the ten minutes a day part

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<v Speaker 2>really carefully because one of the questions you want to

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<v Speaker 2>ask yourself is for them to get it to save

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<v Speaker 2>them ten minutes a day, how many hours did they

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<v Speaker 2>spend or get someone to spend making it save ten minutes?

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<v Speaker 2>Did they invest ten hours to get ten minutes? And

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<v Speaker 2>how much time? And do they This happened to me yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>I like said, oh, I'm going to see if I

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<v Speaker 2>can make AI do this thing that.

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<v Speaker 4>I do every day.

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<v Speaker 2>I download some information from a website. I spent two

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<v Speaker 2>hours trying to make it save me five minutes a day.

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<v Speaker 4>Yep, yep.

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<v Speaker 2>You know we've all been down that rabbit hole, right,

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, and here's the thing, they're both right.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what's interesting. You have to figure out for yourself

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<v Speaker 2>in my life, my career, my business, whatever. You got

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<v Speaker 2>to look at your circumstances and say, what's the right

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<v Speaker 2>approach to this to save ten minutes a day? Or

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<v Speaker 2>does my business or my career warrant throwing everything at

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<v Speaker 2>this like Walmart is and making the most of it

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<v Speaker 2>because it's going to be a game changer and no

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<v Speaker 2>one will know except you. Only you can evaluate your

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<v Speaker 2>circumstancestances to determine what the right way to approach it

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<v Speaker 2>is right now. And I say right now because in

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<v Speaker 2>three months or a year, it might change it it

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<v Speaker 2>will change again.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>You know the thing is, though, Greg, I mean when

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about Walmart, man, I mean you are talking

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<v Speaker 1>about basically a military force of people who could go

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<v Speaker 1>do this stuff for you, right as opposed to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>me who owns the main street fill in the blank

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<v Speaker 1>whatever the business might be. Right, So, I mean it's

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<v Speaker 1>almost apples and oranges in some case, but in other cases,

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<v Speaker 1>or you know, it's not.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, so when I say it's kind of, it depends

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<v Speaker 2>on your circumstance or your circumstances. Of the factors in

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<v Speaker 2>your circumstances is you. Some people will love to roll

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<v Speaker 2>up their sleeves and mess with this stuff and put

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<v Speaker 2>it to work and maximize the value, and some people won't.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're not going to be good at this or

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<v Speaker 2>embrace it or be excited to delegate it to someone else,

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<v Speaker 2>you should figure out a way to avoid it. Or

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<v Speaker 2>if it's inevitable, you've got to deal with that too.

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<v Speaker 2>So you are one of the factors. You know, if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to stay up until four o'clock in the

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<v Speaker 2>morning on Friday night making something work a little better

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<v Speaker 2>at your job or your company, then you should absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>embrace AI. You're going to learn a lot of stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's going to be useful for you. Even if

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<v Speaker 2>some of the things you try fail, You're going to

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<v Speaker 2>learn overall to do things better. But again, if you

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<v Speaker 2>have no interest or it's going to irritate you, stay

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<v Speaker 2>away and figure out another way to approach it. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>but but let meself out of the picture.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, But look, there are some people out there who

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<v Speaker 1>are just wrestling with the the idea of what AI is, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's safe to say. So with that in mind,

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<v Speaker 1>could you give us a few ideas for how we

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<v Speaker 1>I might start using AI so we can begin to

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<v Speaker 1>understand for ourselves how it might fit into our lives,

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<v Speaker 1>or our careers or our business.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So, the next time you have a task to accomplish,

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<v Speaker 2>it can be a personal thing, it can be a

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<v Speaker 2>work thing, just say to yourself. Just get in the

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<v Speaker 2>habit of saying to yourself, do I think AI could

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<v Speaker 2>help me with this? And then open your browser and

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<v Speaker 2>go to chat GPT. It's free, open perplexity, it's free,

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<v Speaker 2>open one of There's hundreds of these things. Just go

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<v Speaker 2>and start using them, and you know, ask yourself, is

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<v Speaker 2>this a task that AI can help me with? Challenge

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<v Speaker 2>yourself to find ways to use AI to do things

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<v Speaker 2>you think AI couldn't help you do. Go there and

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<v Speaker 2>try things and just fail and learn along the way.

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<v Speaker 2>I really mean it's important for you to understand whether

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<v Speaker 2>you have a stomach for it or not, because if

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have a stomach for it, you need a

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<v Speaker 2>different plan and you're not gonna know until you try it.

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<v Speaker 2>You may think you're gonna hate it and go, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>this is actually pretty amazing. You may think you're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>love it and start using it and go, I hate

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<v Speaker 2>this thing. It's important to know that right now. It's

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<v Speaker 2>really important.

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<v Speaker 1>What is the most basic And I'm going off script

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<v Speaker 1>here because you and I try to put together some

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<v Speaker 1>bullet points before we do this show each and every year.

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<v Speaker 1>But give me the most basic thing that you have

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<v Speaker 1>asked I A to do. I mean the most fate,

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<v Speaker 1>could be personal, could be business. Can't give me just

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<v Speaker 1>something simple for the guy prea there who's like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to give this a shot.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll give you a great example.

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<v Speaker 4>Go to it.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a there's an AI platform called Perplexity. They

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<v Speaker 2>just launch their own browser. I really it's called Commet.

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<v Speaker 2>Encourage people to go get it. If you need an invitation,

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<v Speaker 2>come find me on blue Sky. I have five invitations

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<v Speaker 2>to give them away. I'll give them away to the

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<v Speaker 2>first five people that contact me at Greg seven on

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<v Speaker 2>blue Sky. So I encourage you to use Perplexity or

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<v Speaker 2>use their browser. And here's an example they give that

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<v Speaker 2>I think really drives home what it can do. Open

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<v Speaker 2>the browser and type this in plan trip for me

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<v Speaker 2>from Cincinnati to New York City on July fir twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty six.

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<v Speaker 4>How about that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what it takes to plan a trip right?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh boy?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you know blah blah blah blah. You know it

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<v Speaker 2>could take three hours to figure this all out and

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<v Speaker 2>just see what it does.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't wait to try it because I'm in that world,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, and I'm being totally open and honest where

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just trying to fool around a little bit with it,

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<v Speaker 1>so like that's a kind of thing I would have

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<v Speaker 1>never thought of to do, right, Yeah, okay, And.

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<v Speaker 2>What's interesting about perplexity in particular. One of the reasons

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<v Speaker 2>I really like it is it you watch it going

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<v Speaker 2>through the steps step by stick. It doesn't just give

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<v Speaker 2>you the answer. It says, I'm opening a travel website

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<v Speaker 2>now thinking I'm typing in our dates, and you're literally

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<v Speaker 2>watching it on a small little screen, so you're you're

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<v Speaker 2>watching it do the same thing you would do, only

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<v Speaker 2>it does it one hundred times faster.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great stuff. That is great stuff. Greg Steban, You're

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<v Speaker 1>the best man. Love having our chat at each and

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<v Speaker 1>every week and hope you have a great rest of

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<v Speaker 1>your week and a great weekend.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>It's great to be here.

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<v Speaker 4>Tell you what that guy is on his game?

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<v Speaker 1>Man, I really look forward to our conversations with him

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<v Speaker 1>on a weekly basis because he just brings such a

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<v Speaker 1>His background is so interesting if you look him up,

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<v Speaker 1>Greg Steban just such an interesting mind. Some of the

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<v Speaker 1>things he thinks of I don't know about you. I

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<v Speaker 1>would have never thought of them. Maybe you're all over them.

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<v Speaker 3>But money, and don't talk about politics. I did all

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<v Speaker 3>three of the Politics can be so divisive. I think

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of people are like red or they're blue,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, many of us are just disillusioned. I

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<v Speaker 3>always joke and say that politics comes from two words

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<v Speaker 3>historically poly meaning many ticks meaning bloodsuckings. Yeah, there you go,

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<v Speaker 3>but really, Godynomics is the idea that capitalism is not

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<v Speaker 3>just a good idea, it's God's idea and it's built

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<v Speaker 3>on three fundamental principles. Property rights, twenty percent of tenk commandments,

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<v Speaker 3>addresses that don't steal people's stuffed on, envy people's stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't built on incentive bibles. Is you don't work,

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<v Speaker 3>you don't eat and be like the aunt not the sluggards,

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<v Speaker 3>and also built on liberty. So it's really Godnomics is

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<v Speaker 3>about liberty, productivity, and generosity. It's something we used to

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<v Speaker 3>call common sense, but sadly it's not common anymore. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of people ask me questions about not just

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<v Speaker 3>personal finances, but kind of a macro perspective. Does God

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<v Speaker 3>have to say about how nations run and how government's run?

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<v Speaker 3>And so I did a whole series called Godenomics.

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<v Speaker 4>What would God?

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<v Speaker 3>Says John Kaynes, would God said? A Smith? Greenspan, Karl Marx,

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<v Speaker 3>stuff like that. So it's a sermon series that turned

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<v Speaker 3>into the book that I did with Random House. So

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<v Speaker 3>I'd like to get it right now. Is it creationtoday?

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<v Speaker 3>Dot org? Backslash store, that's the place that hold it

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<v Speaker 3>right now? So Christian Today, dot org and backslash store

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<v Speaker 3>you can get it's called Godenomics of the DVD series

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<v Speaker 3>with a small workbook, and then there's also a hardback

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<v Speaker 3>and back book too.

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<v Speaker 5>So well, you've got an incredible you've gotten incredible reviews

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<v Speaker 5>when you go back when it was on Amazon, and

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<v Speaker 5>you've gotten incredible reviews from people who are not necessarily,

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<v Speaker 5>and and and they say so in their review of

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<v Speaker 5>the book.

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<v Speaker 1>They may not be the most religious person in the world. Right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>But like you said, there's some common sense stuff. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to get into a comple of a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>topics in particular that you get into in the book

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<v Speaker 1>god gnomics helping people versus enabling the needy. M h.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. You know a lot of times people have a

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<v Speaker 3>sound but by kind of mindset that says, hey, we

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<v Speaker 3>should always help everybody. Well that's partially true. That's also

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<v Speaker 3>a good definition of codependency if you talk to any

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<v Speaker 3>good psychologists. So if you have a person who's a

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<v Speaker 3>you know, a habitual gamber, it's on more easy. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>at some point you don't keep getting money to the

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<v Speaker 3>gambler who's using their money away and they have to

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<v Speaker 3>get rock bottom. And so part of what you're trying

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<v Speaker 3>to do is discern, like, for example, when somebody is

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<v Speaker 3>doing something, is this going to be productive? Am I

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<v Speaker 3>reinforcing their bad habit and I reinforcing their addiction? That's

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<v Speaker 3>an easy one. But even when it comes to helping

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<v Speaker 3>the poor, the Bible's pretty nuanced, and there's different types

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<v Speaker 3>of poor some people are poor because you know, crushing

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<v Speaker 3>weight or a load fell on them, and we need

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<v Speaker 3>to with that a doubt, help each other with those loads.

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<v Speaker 3>We need to say, how can I come alongside this

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<v Speaker 3>is an emergency situation or this is a season, and

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<v Speaker 3>how do we help you get the skills you need?

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<v Speaker 3>How do I classically teach you how to fish? And

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<v Speaker 3>I give you fish? Other times, the Bible talks about

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<v Speaker 3>a type of poor person who's like the sluggard versus

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<v Speaker 3>the ant. And it's so tired, he's so unwilling to

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<v Speaker 3>put the energy in the food is sitting in front

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<v Speaker 3>of him the proverbs, and you can't even scoop his

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<v Speaker 3>hand into the food to bring into his mouth. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>the Bible does not say that we should help that person.

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<v Speaker 3>That person needs to learn some discipline and learn to

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<v Speaker 3>actually learn how to work. Even Paul in Tessalonian says,

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<v Speaker 3>if you don't work, you don't eat. He says, I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't come to eat somebody else's bread. I came to

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<v Speaker 3>work for my own bread. So you really want to

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<v Speaker 3>balance this idea of how do I not cripple people

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<v Speaker 3>by doing the work they need to do? And again

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<v Speaker 3>that's in non religious terms. It's called enabling, it's called rescuing,

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<v Speaker 3>it's called codependency. So you really want to discern what

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<v Speaker 3>is the real need here, and how do I get

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<v Speaker 3>somebody self sustaining than to somebody who's permanently in need

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<v Speaker 3>of my resources.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, help me with this for a second, because

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<v Speaker 1>I've always wondered about it, and helped me with the passage.

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<v Speaker 1>But roughly in the Bible, there's a quote that talks

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<v Speaker 1>about how the wealthy man is not going to get

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<v Speaker 1>into heaven. It will only be those you know who

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<v Speaker 1>are meet so to speak. And I know I'm paraphrasing. There,

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<v Speaker 1>walk me through that, because you know, if you're somebody

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<v Speaker 1>who's you know, busted your tail to make a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of money, and all of a sudden you read that,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you could interpret that as like, Holy Moses,

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<v Speaker 1>this doesn't sound good.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the Bible is not anti money at all. In fact,

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<v Speaker 3>money is just fuel. It's fuel for fun, it's fuel forgiving,

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<v Speaker 3>it's fuel for being generous. So got the big fan

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<v Speaker 3>of money. In fact, most of the people in the

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<v Speaker 3>Bible who are followers of God, we're wealthy. Abraham was wealthy,

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<v Speaker 3>Job was wealthy. David was wealthy, Solomon was wealthy. Lydia,

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<v Speaker 3>a leader in the early Church, was wealthy. Paul had

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<v Speaker 3>a Roman citizenship and so that was very expensive. His

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<v Speaker 3>grain father may have actually made tempts for Mark Anthony,

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<v Speaker 3>and he was therefore gifted very financially. So money is

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<v Speaker 3>not the problem. It's the love of money. When you

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<v Speaker 3>make money, you are king. When you make money your savior,

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<v Speaker 3>you think it's going to save you. And what's saying is,

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<v Speaker 3>when you have lots of money, you can delude yourself

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<v Speaker 3>into thinking that you don't need God. So that's the

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<v Speaker 3>real problem. When I was doing a serious godnomics, I

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<v Speaker 3>was in Proverbs and it says there's this business woman

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<v Speaker 3>and she considers a field. Okay, so the nature of

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<v Speaker 3>any economic system is producing. Why would she consider a field.

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<v Speaker 3>She wants to know if the price and qualities work

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<v Speaker 3>and will it produce. Then it says she profits. The

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<v Speaker 3>Bible celebrates profiting. Profiting is not a bad thing. That

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<v Speaker 3>means you made more money than it costs you to invest.

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<v Speaker 2>Or produce it.

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<v Speaker 3>So we should be celebrating profiting, not be demonizing it.

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<v Speaker 3>From her savings or from her producing and profiting, she saves,

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<v Speaker 3>she's got money, she invests in another vineyards. Let's do

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<v Speaker 3>another one of these things. She then gives to the

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<v Speaker 3>poor us twice she extends her hand to the needy.

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<v Speaker 3>So now the Bible's not anti finances at all, it

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<v Speaker 3>just is don't fall in love with money as the

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<v Speaker 3>main king of your life or savior of your life.

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<v Speaker 3>But without a doubt, make a lot, give a lot,

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<v Speaker 3>save a lot. That's what a famous theologian once said.

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<v Speaker 3>So how can we look at the world. We have,

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<v Speaker 3>the gifts, we have, the talents we have, and said,

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<v Speaker 3>how can I use the opportunities I've been given as

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<v Speaker 3>well as the talents I've been given, to be about

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<v Speaker 3>the work of doing something productive and creative in life.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's really why I wrote the book is I

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<v Speaker 3>felt like we're living in a world right now that

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<v Speaker 3>celebrates socialism, celebrates communism and Marxism and this kind of

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<v Speaker 3>envy driven approach, and yet many people are saying, I

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<v Speaker 3>want to make a difference. I have the sense that

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<v Speaker 3>I'm designed for work. And so the Bible says, whatever

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<v Speaker 3>you do in word or deed, do everything in name Lord,

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<v Speaker 3>which means you can be just as productive. You're doing

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<v Speaker 3>God's work. You're doing it right now on the radio station.

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<v Speaker 3>That is just as spirituals what happens on Sunday. I

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<v Speaker 3>imagine your Monday through Friday could be just as spiritual

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<v Speaker 3>as your Sundays or Saturdays, because you have a sense

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<v Speaker 3>that I'm doing the work on earth that my creator

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<v Speaker 3>allowed me to do it. Actually, it's very invigorating and

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<v Speaker 3>giving you a sense of purpose. Twenty four to seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Really okay, you talked about, you know, saving money, making money.

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<v Speaker 1>What about when we go out and start spending money.

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<v Speaker 1>What would God namics say about that? Because let's be

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<v Speaker 1>honest about it. I mean, most of us are guilty,

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<v Speaker 1>not everyone, but most of us are guilty of going

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<v Speaker 1>out and just spending money on a lot of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Chadovean we just don't need.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, of course, of course, I would say money is

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<v Speaker 3>like fuel, and it's fuel for priorities. So think of

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<v Speaker 3>your budget not as something that restrains you, but think

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<v Speaker 3>of it as a vision. This is the vision of

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<v Speaker 3>where I want my resources to go. So, yes, we

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<v Speaker 3>should provide for own family. So God says if in

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<v Speaker 3>Thessalonians that if you don't provide your own family. You're

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<v Speaker 3>worse than somebody who doesn't have any faith. So you

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<v Speaker 3>want to be somebody who's not consuming from the economy

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<v Speaker 3>with somebody who's producing. But also it says fun is

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<v Speaker 3>something that can be prioritized, and time with your family, vacations,

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<v Speaker 3>things like that can be something you can enjoy. Using

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<v Speaker 3>money for giving to the poor and the needy, really

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<v Speaker 3>discerning that wisely and making sure those resources are being

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<v Speaker 3>utilized to make the most amount of difference the idea

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<v Speaker 3>of faith. And you want to say, I want to

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<v Speaker 3>invest in things that are not just making a temporal difference,

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<v Speaker 3>but an internal difference. So don't just give any charity.

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<v Speaker 3>Check out the charity, make sure that you get a

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<v Speaker 3>high percentage of money going towards the actual resources, not

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<v Speaker 3>just for bureaucratic administrative costs, and say, can I make

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<v Speaker 3>a difference? But God also loves the arts, and so

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<v Speaker 3>if you love the arts and you have passions, and

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<v Speaker 3>maybe you have a passion for the single mom and

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<v Speaker 3>you want to help in that area, maybe sanctity of life,

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<v Speaker 3>and you want to help those who are helping save lives.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think if you think about money not as

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<v Speaker 3>oh I'm so guilty because I spent so much money

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<v Speaker 3>versus Wow, I have a vision for what's important to me,

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<v Speaker 3>what's important to my family, what's important to life, And man,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm getting a chance to use the money I've made

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<v Speaker 3>to do fun things, to do important things, to do

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<v Speaker 3>life enriching things. Suddenly money becomes a source of joy,

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<v Speaker 3>not a source of burdens. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I oftentimes when you go into a church, now you

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<v Speaker 1>don't do this, I should make note of this. You

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<v Speaker 1>don't do this at the Horizon Community Church. But churches

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<v Speaker 1>traditionally while you're sitting there and sometime, you know, between

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<v Speaker 1>announcements and the time you get to the serb and

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<v Speaker 1>part of the announcement is they start passing around a

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<v Speaker 1>tray and asking for money. Now everybody knows that, or

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<v Speaker 1>at least I think people who really pay attention. There's

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<v Speaker 1>some that are going to be turned off by that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's fine. But at the same time, godnomics has to

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<v Speaker 1>have room in there where you are taking some of

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<v Speaker 1>that money that you work in your tail off for

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<v Speaker 1>and you are giving it back to the church. Because

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<v Speaker 1>of some of the things, many of the things, virtually

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<v Speaker 1>all of the things the church is doing with that money.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think this way, you want to make investment

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<v Speaker 3>in things that make the most amount of difference. So imagine,

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<v Speaker 3>even if you find the best that's a bitcoined in

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<v Speaker 3>the video, or whatevert toke you invest in, it's still

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<v Speaker 3>going to be temporal meaning, you know, let's just say

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<v Speaker 3>you get a thousand year reign out of whatever that investment.

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<v Speaker 6>Is.

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<v Speaker 3>The thing about the church is we're trying to help

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<v Speaker 3>eternal people make eternal decisions that end up having an

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<v Speaker 3>eternal difference. So of course, if you want to make

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<v Speaker 3>a huge of the things you give to giving to

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<v Speaker 3>the church, and a church that you feel like is

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<v Speaker 3>giving an eternal message, is helping people come to know

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<v Speaker 3>God and come to make a difference in their life.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, that's God's plan a for changing the world.

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<v Speaker 3>As the church. However, it doesn't have to be guilt money.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't have to be shame money. It can be

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<v Speaker 3>joy money. God loves a cheerful giver. And so what

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<v Speaker 3>we do is I talk about money whenever the text

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<v Speaker 3>comes up, but I talk about it. I think with

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<v Speaker 3>the spirit God talks about it. He talks about money

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<v Speaker 3>a lot, which is how can we be cheerful givers,

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<v Speaker 3>and how can we be excited about how our money

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<v Speaker 3>is helping not only change people in this world, but

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<v Speaker 3>also in the next.

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<v Speaker 4>What would God say about taxes?

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<v Speaker 3>I got a full testra on that in the book God,

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<v Speaker 3>and so God say the irs. I really talk about fairness.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's interesting because when God laid out the

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<v Speaker 3>laws in setting up a government in Deuteronomy and Exodus,

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<v Speaker 3>he talked about a percentage based system. And so a

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<v Speaker 3>percentage based system is fair, right, because it's fair because

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<v Speaker 3>whether you make one hundred bucks or you make ten

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<v Speaker 3>thousand dollars, if everyone's paying one percent, you know, you

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<v Speaker 3>know it's a system. What's an unfair system is where

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<v Speaker 3>you have, Hey, the more you make, we're going to

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<v Speaker 3>penalize you and we're going to make you pay more.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's not the same system. So I do think

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<v Speaker 3>that if you look at the morality behind it, ultimately,

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<v Speaker 3>you know your income is part of your property, right,

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<v Speaker 3>that's your ability to make income. So I do think

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<v Speaker 3>the more we can honor people people who work really

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<v Speaker 3>hard for their income and don't keep any of it,

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<v Speaker 3>those are called slaves. So we'll just say that's keeping

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<v Speaker 3>zero percent of your income. You know somebody who can

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<v Speaker 3>keep one hundred percent of their income, that person's ultimately free.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think the more you can move toward freedom

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<v Speaker 3>people individually keeping more of their income. And obviously you

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<v Speaker 3>do need federal resources to protect us and keep us

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<v Speaker 3>all safe, and those limited things that government needs to

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<v Speaker 3>do that we all needed to do. I do think

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<v Speaker 3>having more of a fair system where it's consistent across

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<v Speaker 3>the board to be better. I cover that in an

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<v Speaker 3>entire chapter and go into a lot of detail, but

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<v Speaker 3>for the sake of this time, the shortest I could do.

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<v Speaker 3>We need to honor income and property rights of individuals

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<v Speaker 3>at the same time have a fair system where everyone

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<v Speaker 3>knows that the system's not punitive, and so then we've

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<v Speaker 3>picked on people can pay more because they're successful, or

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<v Speaker 3>people who pay less because they're in this particular loophole.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the more it's fair and consistent, the more

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<v Speaker 3>you'd have a a freer society and everyone would know

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<v Speaker 3>that it's being fair to everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>The name of the book is god Nomics, written by

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<v Speaker 1>pastor Chad Hoven. It is a fascinating book, and I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you've had conversations with people like Mike Huckabee, Glenn Beck,

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<v Speaker 1>among others. I'd like to, if you don't mind, carry

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<v Speaker 1>this into next week because there are a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>things I want to ask you about that you got

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<v Speaker 1>into conversations with Glenn Beck about about how all of

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<v Speaker 1>this would tie into Monty Python, Bugs, Bunny, Milton Friedman.

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<v Speaker 1>That's quite that's quite a range right there now, Bugs, Bunny, Money, Python,

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<v Speaker 1>and Milton Friedman. But we'll do that again next week.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't wait to hear about it.

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<v Speaker 3>That'd be great, all.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Pastor Chad Hooven kind enough to join us Plane

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<v Speaker 1>Glass Stained Glass.

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<v Speaker 4>We do it every Wednesday. Guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome, all right, last check of the roads before we

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<v Speaker 1>get out of here, Chuck, how we looking.

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<v Speaker 4>Trying to get better? But there's a new accident.

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<v Speaker 7>He spound two seventy five and Taylor Mill that are

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<v Speaker 7>over on the left shoulder, so traffic is banking a

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<v Speaker 7>bit towards Turkey Foot. This from the UC Health Traffic Center.

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<v Speaker 7>The UC Health Women's Supports Medicine Program provides specialized care

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<v Speaker 7>for female athletes at all levels. Scheduling appointment online and

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<v Speaker 7>do you see health dot com? Southbound seventy five continues

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<v Speaker 7>slow in and out of Ackland, heavy inbound seventy four

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<v Speaker 7>from above Montana and southbound seventy one. The last of

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<v Speaker 7>the heavy traffic is coming out of Kenwood and heading

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<v Speaker 7>down the hill to Redbank. Chuck Ingram News Radio seven

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<v Speaker 7>hundred wwf.

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<v Speaker 1>UR WCPO nine First Warning forecast our microphone dropping from

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<v Speaker 1>the sky here, presented by Jennifer catch Mark. It is

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<v Speaker 1>a beautiful morning. It's going to be just a beautiful day.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no two ways about it. I mean, it really

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<v Speaker 1>feels like fall right now. This cool front's come in.

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<v Speaker 1>Our high today is seventy Tonight, we're dropping down a

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<v Speaker 1>forty seven Tomorrow, Friday, Saturday, all three days sunshine, ideal

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<v Speaker 1>fall temperatures right at seventy seventy one seventy two. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to the Bengals game Tomorrow night, or just

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<v Speaker 1>going out Tomorrow night or Friday night, bring a jacket,

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<v Speaker 1>bring a hoodie, whatever. For the Bengals game a kickoff

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<v Speaker 1>at eight fifteen, expecting temperatures right around fifty seven degrees.

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<v Speaker 1>Next chance of rain will come in until late Saturday

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<v Speaker 1>night and into Sunday. So we're looking at a glorious

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<v Speaker 1>weather Week over the next number of days. Sean McMahon,

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<v Speaker 1>great job, as always is our producer. We have Scott

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<v Speaker 1>Sloan coming up next on seven hundred WLW Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 6>Barbed wire and barricades have given way to handshakes and

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<v Speaker 6>handovers as Israel and Hamas six change hostages in a

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<v Speaker 6>transaction of trust, with diplomacy being resurrected from the rubble.

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<v Speaker 6>Will it hold or will the conflict continue? Keep it

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<v Speaker 6>here for the latest updates on seven hundred WLW.

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