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Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on LBS Boston's news video.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone, and thank you very much Dan Watkins,

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Speaker 2: Dan Watkins, Dan Ray, and now Dan shaughnessy Boston. Well, hey,

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Speaker 2: Dan Shaughnessy, welcome to Night Side. Welcome back, Hey Dan Ray.

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Speaker 3: How are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing fine, doing a little better than Bill Belichick tonight.

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Speaker 2: This is I think, really interesting, and I also think

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Speaker 2: that you know, this is not a vote for mister congeniality, Congeniality,

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Speaker 2: It's a vote for the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: How does he not make the Pro Football Hall of Fame?

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Speaker 3: Well, I agree with what you said there. I mean

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Speaker 3: I wrote a column to that effect in Today's Globe

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Speaker 3: Yesterday's Globe website. But in my view, it's it's mixed.

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Speaker 3: It embarrasses the Pro Football Hall of Fame more than anything,

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Speaker 3: and the voting process needs to be addressed and looked at.

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Speaker 3: It's very complicated and has a lot of layers to it.

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Speaker 3: But basically, fifty people voted. He needed forty votes and

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Speaker 3: he didn't get that. And most of the voters are

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Speaker 3: longtime media people from around the country. There's a handful

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Speaker 3: of Hall of Famers Tony Dungee, Dan Fouts, Bill Polley,

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Speaker 3: and one other guy. I think, And you know, it's

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Speaker 3: either I don't know, taken out a grudge or jealousy

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Speaker 3: or the fact that Billis didn't treat the media especially well,

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Speaker 3: the cheating scandals, those kinds of things. But this is

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Speaker 3: a sport Dan that has never really put any any

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Speaker 3: extra value on those things or demerits on those things.

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Speaker 4: And O. J.

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Speaker 3: Simpson's in this Pro Football Hall of Fame. We could

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Speaker 3: go back here Paul Horning, who had gambling, and you know,

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Speaker 3: ray Lewis had multiple issues. It's never been a factor,

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Speaker 3: and this committee, for whatever reason, making him wait a year.

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Speaker 3: He's clearly going to be in a Hall of fame.

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Speaker 3: He's clearly one of the top two or three coaches

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Speaker 3: in the history of the NFL. And it's just it's

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Speaker 3: ridiculous situation.

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Speaker 2: So I guess, without getting too wonky on this, I

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Speaker 2: read your piece, and I also read Ben Volden's piece.

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Speaker 2: Everybody understands the Baseball Hall of Fame, I think, And

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Speaker 2: there were people who have been kept out of the

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Speaker 2: Baseball Hall of Fame for steroids, the steroid players, and

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Speaker 2: we can have disagreements over that. But I think that

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Speaker 2: Dan Watkins told me today that one of our news

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Speaker 2: guys was a big sports guy, that there was someone

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Speaker 2: from Kansas City who said they didn't vote for Belichick

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Speaker 2: because of I guess the Flategate or whatever, the spy

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Speaker 2: spy scandals. I mean, all that stuff is, you know,

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Speaker 2: part of his career. But I won you know, I've

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Speaker 2: been in so many Super Bowls and what has he

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Speaker 2: been in? Eight Super Bowls? I think? And has he's

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Speaker 2: got six rings? I'm not mistaken. I've lost track. How

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Speaker 2: did they get to this this list? I mean in

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Speaker 2: Major League Baseball, the list comes out and I think

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Speaker 2: everybody understands that the list has some people who clearly

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Speaker 2: should qualify, and then there's some players who who might qualify.

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Speaker 2: I mean Dustin Bdroyer I hope some day gets into

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Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame, even though his numbers because of

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Speaker 2: his that side by Manny Pachado many years ago, shortened

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Speaker 2: his career. And then they'll also have guys in the

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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame who will get one or two votes

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Speaker 2: and it's because one of you know, you get it,

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Speaker 2: But what is the process? I don't understand the process.

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Speaker 3: In the Pro football Well, it's very it's very complex,

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Speaker 3: it's very old school. It's the old Tammany Hall, bare

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Speaker 3: knuckle brawling used to gather at the Super Bowl, and

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Speaker 3: everybody lobby for certain guys. Now the distinction that most

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Speaker 3: people aren't understanding, and it's understand it's clearly makes sense.

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Speaker 3: You wouldn't. But there's a Hall of Fame ballot of

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Speaker 3: players recently retired players. So it's all going to be

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Speaker 3: announced Thursday, and there'll be four or five guys on there.

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Speaker 3: I'm not I think Drew Brees might be up. I

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Speaker 3: know Adam Military's up. I hope he gets in. Eli

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Speaker 3: Manning's up. And that's the Hall of Fame players that

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Speaker 3: we're all familiar with. This is a special category. Belichick

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Speaker 3: is on a special list. It's contributors coaches and players

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Speaker 3: who've been retired for twenty five or more years, and

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Speaker 3: Belichick was the coach, Bob Kraft is the owner contributor,

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Speaker 3: and then the three ex players are Else Greenwood, I

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Speaker 3: think Roger Craig and Ken Anderson, those guys before this century,

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Speaker 3: they've all been retired twenty five years. So this was

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Speaker 3: a special category. And there was five names in it,

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Speaker 3: and the voters could only vote for three, and you

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Speaker 3: needed forty out of fifty votes to get in. So

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Speaker 3: Bill got less than forty. That's all we know. The

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Speaker 3: other four one of them at least has to get in.

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Speaker 3: They take the highest one of knowing reaches forty. So

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Speaker 3: it could be Craft, could be el C. Greenwood, could

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Speaker 3: That's what you're gonna find out Thursday. But it's just

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Speaker 3: a weird system and it's not the same They're not

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Speaker 3: drawing from the same pool as Drew Brees VI and

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Speaker 3: a Arry Eli manning those guys. But they'll they'll all

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Speaker 3: be announced together on Thursday. And there's probably a fifty

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Speaker 3: to fifty chance that Bobcraft is going to get in

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Speaker 3: in the same year that Belichick is out.

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Speaker 2: So it will be announced a week from now today

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Speaker 2: being just.

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Speaker 3: About this time. Yeah, a little Yeah, there's an awards

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Speaker 3: presentation in San Francisco. They do it every year. They

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Speaker 3: try to get as many of the new honorees at

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Speaker 3: the Super Bowl, and then next summer in Canada, Ohio

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Speaker 3: they're in.

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Speaker 2: Trin Yeah, and so Belichick obviously, as I said he

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Speaker 2: was never mister congeniality. And there's been you know, some

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Speaker 2: little you know, spy spy gade, deflate gade, all of

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Speaker 2: which didn't, in my opinion, have any impact. We're not

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Speaker 2: talking to a guy who goes from you know, twenty

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Speaker 2: one home runs to fifty six home runs, you know,

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Speaker 2: over one year, and you say something changed there. The

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Speaker 2: personality wasn't a great person, you know. I used to

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Speaker 2: I used to love to watch his postgame news conferences,

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Speaker 2: particularly when when the Patriots lost, because it was funny

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Speaker 2: to watch how he would handle the media and and

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Speaker 2: give you know, sarcastic answers. And I didn't didn't appreciate

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Speaker 2: that as a as a former media member, but I

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Speaker 2: thought to myself, hey, that's what he's doing. And it

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Speaker 2: was it was interesting whether or not he's dating another

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Speaker 2: twenty three year old or a thirty two year old

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Speaker 2: or a fifty five year old whose business is that?

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's all this stuff that has circled, you know,

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Speaker 2: and circled him over the years. You were around long enough,

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Speaker 2: I guess you gets some stuff like that. And he's

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Speaker 2: coaching now college football, and you know, he didn't have

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Speaker 2: a hall of Fame coaching year this year. I mean,

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Speaker 2: this just seems to me to be petty that any.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's a case for that, but you have to

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Speaker 3: be careful because you're talking to you saying it's possible

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Speaker 3: thirty nine of the fifty did vote for him, So

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Speaker 3: maybe we're talking about eleven people. Now, some of those

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Speaker 3: Roger Craig, these are players. I can only vote for

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Speaker 3: three of these five people. I'm voting for the players

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Speaker 3: because I'm an old guy. I remember the NFL in

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Speaker 3: the twentieth century and I respect that, and I'm not

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Speaker 3: going to vote for an owner or a coach when

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Speaker 3: I can vote for these players, and this might be

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Speaker 3: their only shot. So they you know, if eleven people

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Speaker 3: like you stated, you know, this is a retribution for

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Speaker 3: Bill not being nice to the media, pushing him for

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Speaker 3: the cheating scandals and make him wait a year. You know,

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Speaker 3: he's not going to get in on my watch. So again,

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Speaker 3: you can't account for we can't get fifty people to

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Speaker 3: agree that today's Thursday, right, So it doesn't surprise me

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Speaker 3: and Bob Kraft. We could be having the same conversation

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Speaker 3: at this time next week if Bob Kraft doesn't get in, Like,

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Speaker 3: what else could he have done? Well, he was on

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Speaker 3: a ballot with three ex players who have a lot

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Speaker 3: some of these old voters they were not going to

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Speaker 3: So the system is clearly flawed. How about is this

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Speaker 3: guy a Hall of Famer or not? Never mind limiting

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Speaker 3: it to three people out of a five man ballot.

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Speaker 3: That's arbitrarily put together.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my guest is Dan Shaughnessy. Dan, I'd love to

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Speaker 2: get a couple of folks who might want to join

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Speaker 2: ten thirty our time. One up a little late tonight,

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Speaker 2: that is for sure. My guest Dan Shaughnessy, hall of

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Speaker 2: Fame writer for the Boston Globe, and we're talking about

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Speaker 2: the Bill Belichick dilemma. And I still think it's petty.

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Speaker 2: I think Dan made a great point that there could

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Speaker 2: be some of the writers or other players who have said, no,

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Speaker 2: I got three votes and I'm going to use them

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Speaker 2: on people who were actually out in the field and

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Speaker 2: and Belichick and Craft didn't play the game. I guess

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Speaker 2: that's a legitimate reason. But Patriot fans, if you if

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Speaker 2: you think coach Belichick deserve to get in, you can

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Speaker 2: make the make your case and talk to Dan shaughnessy. Dan,

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Speaker 2: how is the the I don't want to mix metaphors

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Speaker 2: here or mixed sports, but how is the Great Celtics

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Speaker 2: book that you wrote of? I think the Heyday of

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Speaker 2: the Celtics that is still selling, I hope because it's

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Speaker 2: such a fun, fun read.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate that, Dan, that book is called which should

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Speaker 3: lasted forever life h Laric or at Celtics. I wrote

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Speaker 3: it during the pandemic because we had so much time

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Speaker 3: So those are the years when it was and I've

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Speaker 3: been telling these stories for the life last forty years.

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Speaker 3: I was very blessed to have cover the Bird Celtics

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Speaker 3: and interviewed you know, Cedric Maxwell and Wall, then Danny

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Speaker 3: Ainge and all those guys because we had a very

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Speaker 3: unusual relationship in those days where we lived with them,

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Speaker 3: travel with them, loaded the bus with them, and that

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Speaker 3: that is, and thanks for mentioning it.

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Speaker 2: Well, what's great about the book is that you and

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Speaker 2: the other guys who were beat writers in those days.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if there was some gals or not,

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Speaker 2: or whether that predated it, but the reporters who were

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Speaker 2: the beat people, you had access to these players that

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Speaker 2: the reporters don't have today. And yeah, that's that's what

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Speaker 2: makes the book such a such a fun read. And

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Speaker 2: in addition, the players that you had access to were

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Speaker 2: the really the legends of the game. I don't think

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Speaker 2: from the Russell Koozi Sharman case, Sam Jones error teams,

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Speaker 2: but I don't think there was a better team than the.

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Speaker 6: Team that Well we agree there.

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Speaker 3: We all have our favorites, and I grew up with

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Speaker 3: the Russell teams and they won every year. And of course,

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Speaker 3: you know, Selus won the championship two years ago with

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Speaker 3: no one's ever going to know Jason Tatum, Jalen Brown

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Speaker 3: and that's why that book was was, you know, fun

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Speaker 3: for me to do, and and it just stays out there.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I was not supposed to promote it

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Speaker 7: So we just keep.

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Speaker 3: Reinforcing that because you watch the game today and it

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Speaker 2: like to defend the vote that keeps Belichick out. Somehow

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Speaker 2: My guess is Dan Shaughnessy, Boston Globe Hall of Fame writer,

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Speaker 3: Well, you can be sure that the Pro Football Hall

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Speaker 2: Let me go to Carol and Randolph. Randolph, Carol, you're

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Speaker 8: Oh I am so privileged, Dan Ray and Dan Shaughnessy.

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Speaker 3: You you you're nice to grow. Well, I appreciate that. Again,

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Speaker 8: Dan Shaughnessy answered me back.

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Speaker 3: Well, anybody out there, if you'll hear back, that's never

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what That's what it comes down to, Carol.

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Speaker 3: Was so happy he's doing He's doing something more important,

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Speaker 8: He's baseball And if you look at his blog, it's

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Speaker 8: You never know, get noted in Sports Illustrated. They did

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Speaker 2: Unanimous vote so far. Hey, Caeryl, but I promise Dan

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Speaker 4: All right, Dan, thank you, Carol, You're in the Angel.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, your son, Thank you, thank you

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Speaker 2: Cheryl. Thanks for the one of my one of my

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Speaker 3: I wishould last to forever Life with the Larry Bird Celtics.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, boy, I'll tell you that's that is a great book.

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Speaker 2: I think Belichick, irrespective of his personality again I said,

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Speaker 2: All right, thanks very much, Dan Watkins. I think I

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Speaker 2: is neither of those. Joe, you were next on Night Side.

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Speaker 2: What do you think about Bill Belichick's situation here?

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Speaker 9: Well, they are heard on a report Sports report that

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Speaker 2: Well, I didn't see that, Joe, and I think the

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Speaker 2: It wasn't the NFL who basically, uh, you know, shut

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Speaker 9: Well, I don't like it. You know he wants six

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Speaker 9: I hope he's listened.

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Speaker 9: Well, well, anyhow, I wanted to make this statement. I

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Speaker 9: It involves nineteen fifty seven or the fifty nine championship

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Speaker 9: The second trivia question is uh, the fifty seven or

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Speaker 2: No, that's my best guest.

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Speaker 9: Go ahead, Okay, I think I told you this before,

430
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Speaker 9: Ben Swayne.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember the name, and I if you did,

432
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Speaker 2: I think you might have, but I forgot it. As

433
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 2: soon as you say BS or the Celtics, everybody's gonna

434
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 2: think of Bill Sharmon. Those are two good ones. Joe,

435
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 2: thank you very much.

436
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 9: It's better to light a candle then to curse the darkness.

437
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,640
Speaker 2: Stuff of cold and star war fever is what they

438
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Speaker 2: also say. Thanks who talked you? Soon? Have a good night?

439
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 2: All right, let me go again, Hey, good night, Joe.

440
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Speaker 2: Let me go next to We got Howie in Randolph.

441
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Speaker 2: Howie and Randolph you were next one. Nice?

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Speaker 4: I go right ahead, Hi Dan, how you doing good?

443
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Speaker 2: So what do you think about the snub of Bill Belichick?

444
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Speaker 4: Well, let me just say, basically, uh, Bill Belichick proved

445
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 4: to be stubborn, arrogant, and vindictive. He wanted to prove

446
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 4: that he could win without Brady, and all his food

447
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 4: was he couldn't he the last few years after Freddie left,

448
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 4: he hired two guys who had no business being coaches

449
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 4: in that position. He Uh, he gave away a Super

450
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 4: Bowl because.

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Speaker 7: You wouldn't play Malcolm Butler.

452
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Speaker 6: And uh.

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Speaker 4: Also, I'm not that upset that he didn't get in

454
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Speaker 4: the first time. There's a lot of voters who don't

455
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Speaker 4: like to get people in the first time, just like

456
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 4: some voters never wanted to make any player unanimous in

457
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Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame for baseball, So that's who knows

458
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Speaker 4: what they.

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Speaker 2: But I think the I think the only one that's

460
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Speaker 2: unanimous was was it Mariano Rivera?

461
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Speaker 4: Right, But there are a lot of guys that never

462
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Speaker 4: you know, hockey, you not vote for certain guys.

463
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Speaker 2: I agree with you. Yeah, And again that's that's just

464
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 2: mere truculence as far as I'm concerned. And those are

465
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Speaker 2: guys who chronicled the game but never probably played the

466
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Speaker 2: game at any high level. I don't understand that. And

467
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Speaker 2: in terms of the Belichick Brady competition, whatever that sometimes

468
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 2: happens in sports, I mean, obviously Belichick was the guy

469
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Speaker 2: who saw something in Brady to keep him around. I mean,

470
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Speaker 2: you know, if Bledsoe hadn't been been been hit by

471
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Speaker 2: Moe Lewis uh and and heard in that game, Brady

472
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Speaker 2: might have just lingered on as a second or third

473
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Speaker 2: stringer and finally got a chance with another team and

474
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Speaker 2: another coach and might have gone into you know, football oblivion,

475
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 2: you know how it works. And he was just the

476
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,959
Speaker 2: right guy at the right time, six round draft choice. Obviously,

477
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 2: there were a lot of teams that passed on him.

478
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 2: He proved a lot of people wrong. I always felt, yeah, yes,

479
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 2: it was in argument. It was almost like, I hate

480
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Speaker 2: to put it like this, but it was like a

481
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Speaker 2: good marriage. I mean, both sides have to really work

482
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 2: at it, and if one side doesn't work at it, well,

483
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Speaker 2: it doesn't work out. And as they say, I'm sure

484
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Speaker 2: that in the first two or three years, Brady was

485
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 2: learning a lot. And sometimes it gets to a point

486
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Speaker 2: in time where the mentee thinks he's smarter than the mentor,

487
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Speaker 2: and I think there was a little bit of that

488
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 2: going on, and you know, they it was a magical

489
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 2: time for New England football fans, you know, growing up

490
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 2: those of us who grew up with the Patriots of

491
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,959
Speaker 2: the Babe Parilli era. There were individual players who were

492
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Speaker 2: good players, but never as a team. Uh right, you know,

493
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Speaker 2: so I don't know, Uh, I I feel bad for Belichick.

494
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 2: I'm not a friend of Belichick's, never really met him,

495
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 2: had one brief conversation with him. I he and I

496
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 2: had and I had a.

497
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Speaker 4: Right so'll definitely get in. But it's a shame that

498
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Speaker 4: he kindas his legacy near the last couple of years.

499
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 4: And also the fact that he never got to be

500
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Speaker 4: Don Shula's record for wins and the only other thing that.

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Speaker 2: It's not over yet. Okay, I wouldn't be a bit

502
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Speaker 2: surprised with all the coaching vacancies that Belichick might might

503
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 2: end up back in the NFL in the next year

504
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 2: or two. There's a lot of coaches that are uh

505
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 2: that for for whom the bell told this, uh this

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00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 2: fall right?

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Speaker 4: Just one last thing, dan, uh, just a little correction.

508
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 4: Belichick won six Super Bowls with the Patriots, and he

509
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Speaker 4: went two with past sealsno Giants.

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Speaker 2: He won six with the Page So he was in

511
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Speaker 2: how many the Patriots nine?

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Speaker 7: Nine? Correct?

513
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 2: Okay?

514
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 4: And that have one? All nine? They and they could

515
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 4: have lost all nine.

516
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Speaker 2: So a lot of a lot of those games two

517
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 2: or three plays. I was fortunate enough, through some good

518
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 2: friends to go to two of them. Uh the time

519
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 2: that they beat Carolina uh in Houston and when they

520
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 2: lost to Indy in to when they lost in Indianapolis

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00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 2: to the Giants. So uh yeah, okay, thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: I missed up on that number, and I apologize, all.

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Speaker 4: Right, thank you, yeah, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Have a great night. Okay, get a couple of open lines.

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Speaker 2: We're going to continue our conversation. I got Lee and

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Speaker 2: Quincy coming up next. Six one seven, two four ten thirty.

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Speaker 2: That's one line you can get in on a six

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Speaker 2: one seven nine three one ten thirty. After eleven, we're

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Speaker 2: going to go back to a different topic, a little

530
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Speaker 2: bit of more current politics. But I like talking about

531
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Speaker 2: objects that many of my listeners actually have more knowledge

532
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Speaker 2: of it than I do. Not that I have more

533
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 2: knowledge of too many issues, but you know, my my

534
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 2: Bailey Wick are My Bailey Wicks are politics and sports.

535
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 2: But I certainly stand down in terms of Dan Shaughnessy's knowledge.

536
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 2: And that's why I like to have Dan and Ben

537
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 2: Volan and others from the Boston Globe on got a

538
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 2: couple of lines. I'd love to know. Do you feel

539
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 2: sorry for Belichick? I assume there's probably no one who

540
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 2: feels sorry for Belichick, but I do think that the

541
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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame missed this was gratuitous. In my opinion,

542
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 2: it's gratuitous. Uh. This is not where you embarrass somebody.

543
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 2: And for whatever reason, people chose not to vote for

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Speaker 2: him to get the forty votes that he needed six one, seven, two, five, four,

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Speaker 2: ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, one ten thirty

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00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 2: Coming back on Nightside, I think it's a good topic.

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00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 2: I hope you do as well.

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Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's news radio.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's get right back. The phone is going

550
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 2: to go to Lee in Quincy. Lee, you were next

551
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 2: on Nightside talking about Bill Belichick and his temporary exclusion

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Speaker 2: from the Hall of Fame. Go ahead, Lee.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I remember when he got fired from Cleveland. That's

554
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 5: a long time ago, but that's another story.

555
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 2: Didn't have great players in Cleveland. Yeah, that happens, right, Yeah.

556
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 5: Well he got well, it happened at the end of

557
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 5: the Giant game, at the end of the year. It

558
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 5: was the last play of the game, they were winning

559
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 5: by a few points. The quarterback handed off to the

560
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 5: full back. The full back fumbled the ball. A tight

561
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 5: a linebacker came in, picked up the ball, ran all

562
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Speaker 5: the way and scored a touchdown. At the end of

563
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Speaker 5: the game, the owner came in and fired him. I'll

564
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 5: never forget it.

565
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 2: Was on thin ice. But remember this. Remember Casey Steingle.

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Speaker 2: Casey Steger who won so many World Series with the

567
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Speaker 2: Yankees in the fifties, and actually I think at one

568
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 2: or two in the forties. Before that, he managed the

569
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Speaker 2: Boston Braves and.

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Speaker 6: No kidding, yeah, they weren't doing well.

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Speaker 2: And then after the Yankees, he managed the Mets in

572
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty two, and they really weren't doing well. It

573
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 2: just so happened that Warren Spawn pitched for the Braves

574
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Speaker 2: and at the end of his career pitched for Casey

575
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Speaker 2: at the Mets. So he pitched, as Warren Spahn said,

576
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Speaker 2: he pitched for Casey before he was a genius and

577
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 2: after he was a genius.

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00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 5: No, no, I lived in New Jersey at that time,

579
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Speaker 5: and I went to a lot of Mets games at

580
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 5: Shaye and I saw Warren Spawn. Anyway, But why hasn't

581
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 5: he gotten a job then? I mean, look at all

582
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 5: the openings, nobody's high on them in the NFL, and

583
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Speaker 5: I was shocked at that.

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Speaker 2: Well, we'll see. I have no idea what his contract

585
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 2: is with North Carolina and whether or not it would

586
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 2: cost him money to leave. And maybe he's looking for

587
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 2: a team that he feels he can pull together in

588
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 2: a couple of years. And uh, while he's still you know,

589
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 2: is a good sound coach. We'll see, we'll see.

590
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Speaker 9: Lee.

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Speaker 2: I thank you for your call. I enjoyed it. Always

592
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Speaker 2: good good to talk to a guy who remembers uh,

593
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Speaker 2: Marv Thronburry Marvel.

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Speaker 5: That's true, Thanks very much.

595
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Speaker 2: The brother of a former Red Sox player, Faithbury Bury

596
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Speaker 2: Let me go next. Joe is in Revere. Hey, Joe,

597
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 2: you're next on nights. I'm gonna get everybody in here,

598
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 2: so stay right where you are, folks, go ahead.

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00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 7: Joe, Hey, jan how you doing.

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00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 2: I'm doing great.

601
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Speaker 11: I feel bad for Bill now, I mean, the guy,

602
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 11: he ain't going to lose an ounce of sleep over this.

603
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 11: He's going to end up getting in we all know it.

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00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 11: He didn't get in this yet, but.

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Speaker 7: He will get in.

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Speaker 11: But heiz but I'm.

607
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Speaker 2: Just saying he deserves. Look, people gonna have a heart

608
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Speaker 2: attack and die. I mean, you know, it'd be nice

609
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 2: to honor somebody, Uh while they're where they're alive.

610
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 4: You never know. He's not gonna die.

611
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 11: He's got a thirty year old girlfriend. He's got more

612
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Speaker 11: money than around.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what it is to keep I don't

614
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Speaker 2: know how old you are, how old it would be,

615
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 2: how how tough would be for him to keep up

616
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Speaker 2: with a thirty year old girlfriend.

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00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, that could kill.

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Speaker 5: Him, you know.

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Speaker 2: The George Jessel's story George Jessel's on With With with

620
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Speaker 2: Johnny Carson, and Carson was commenting to Jessel that Jessel

621
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Speaker 2: had just been married, like for the fifth or sixth time,

622
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Speaker 2: and the girl that he married was thirty years old,

623
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Speaker 2: and Carson said to Jessel, well, you know there's a

624
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 2: lot of you know, activity on your wedding night that

625
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 2: can be stressful. And Jessel looked at him and he said,

626
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Speaker 2: if she dies, she.

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Speaker 11: Dies, Hey, Jill Carcel in the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: Uh, nobody, Well, he's in the Patriots Hall of Fame.

629
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Speaker 2: I believe, But I but I okay, he should be

630
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Speaker 2: probably love he probably but if he's in. That's even

631
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 2: more reason that Belichick.

632
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Speaker 11: Should build the team that Belichick inherited. Okay, but Belichick.

633
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 2: Continuing, right, but Bilichick, Belichick continued to build that team

634
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 2: and kept that team in contention for close to twenty years.

635
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: That's a pretty good record.

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Speaker 11: Dan, you're talking to a guy that named his kid Brady. Okay,

637
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,720
Speaker 11: so I mean nephew.

638
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 2: I have a nephew whose name is Brady Ray.

639
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 11: I love him. Great Island. Brady is great Island. That's

640
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 11: what it means.

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00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 2: All Right, Thanks much, Joe, talk soon, have a great mode.

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00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 2: Good night.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

644
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 7: Sure.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's get everybody in here, and I thank

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Speaker 2: everybody for rising to the occasion. Gonna go next to

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Speaker 2: another Joe. This one's in Rehoboth. Hey, Joe, next on

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Speaker 2: night side.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Hey, how you doing doing great?

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Speaker 2: Thanks for calling in. What's your take on this?

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Speaker 12: Well, you know, to be honest with you, I think

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Speaker 12: he deserves a spot.

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Speaker 10: Uh.

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Speaker 12: You know, he's to be the most successful football teams anywhere,

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Speaker 12: And I think I think he got a poor deal

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Speaker 12: when when Brady left, you know, I think he hit

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Speaker 12: his team basically fell upound. Brady left because he had

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Speaker 12: to reformulate, and to be honest with you, I hate

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Speaker 12: the way they treated him. You know, I don't think

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Speaker 12: Kraft treated him very fair, and I think in general,

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Speaker 12: Kraft didn't treat Brady very fair. He didn't want to

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Speaker 12: pay him, and look what happened. He went to win

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Speaker 12: another Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: So I think a lot of Eagles involved here, don't

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Speaker 2: you think, right, I don't.

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Speaker 12: I think Kraft was mad and he goes, I don't

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Speaker 12: want you anymore. You're not a winner. Well the guy

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Speaker 12: had to rebuild.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 6: I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: I'm with you. You're the first person who was agreed

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Speaker 2: with me totally.

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Speaker 10: I like it.

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Speaker 2: Joe, thank you so much. Appreciate it.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, thanks for taking my call.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thanks for calling in calling any time? Have you

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Speaker 2: called before? It was this the first time you got

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Speaker 2: off the couch?

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Speaker 12: Uh, this is the second time I called. I'm a

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Speaker 12: night guy, so I'm just going home.

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Speaker 2: So I'm here for you every five nights a week, Joe,

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Speaker 2: I can't do any more than that. As a matter

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Speaker 2: of fact, six nights I was on Sunday night from

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Speaker 2: nine to twelve with the storm coverage. Thanks, Joe, appreciate it.

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Speaker 12: Oh yeah, yeah, I have a good one soon.

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Speaker 2: Tom and Dorchester. Tom, I get you in and one

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Speaker 2: more under the wire.

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Speaker 4: Go ahead, Tom, Okay, Hey right, I did listen. I'm

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Speaker 4: not peeing a Bill Belichick.

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Speaker 5: I'm telling you he would have been had a football

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Speaker 5: twenty six years ago.

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Speaker 10: Because he loved bloodsoe and he didn't want Brady. Brady

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Speaker 10: was just trade based. He was to me, he was

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Speaker 10: allowsy coach. Brady was a real coach of that team.

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Speaker 10: After Brady, Come on, Brady was the one that went

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Speaker 10: up and down the July to get everybody going. He

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Speaker 10: stooded the sidelines with his hands in his pocket the

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Speaker 10: whole game.

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Speaker 2: Tom. Sometimes we agree, sometimes we disagree on politics.

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Speaker 4: On this one, I go to get in the Hall

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Speaker 4: of Fame.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, but but there's no reason to keep

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Speaker 2: them out. Hey Tom, great to hear your voice as always.

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Speaker 2: Do we agree? You're a good calling. Thank you much.

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Speaker 2: Let me get one more in here. We had Joe's

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Speaker 2: and Tom's and now we're going to wrap it this

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Speaker 2: hour with Tom down on Cape Cod. Tom, am I

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Speaker 2: right or wrong in this that that Belichick really has been?

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Speaker 2: I think gotten a raw deal here.

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Speaker 9: You had a raw deal.

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Speaker 6: I heard a comment the other uh.

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Speaker 7: Yesterday, I believed that and some of those people that

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Speaker 7: voted are ex players in the NFL.

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Speaker 6: That's correct, and they someone back Toget who made the comment.

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Speaker 7: The comment was that they may have had a ben

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Speaker 7: debta against him because of something he did to them

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Speaker 7: or something that happened to them in their crushing of paths.

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Speaker 2: It could be, it could be. We'll never know the motivation.

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Speaker 2: But I think the NFL has well. No, the NFL

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Speaker 2: is always going to be there, but I don't think

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Speaker 2: that they did themselves any favor the way they's turned out. Tom.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, I know your regular thing. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: The other thing is, I want to tell you, I'm

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Speaker 6: it never ceases to amaze me your memory and recollection.

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Speaker 6: You're very You're very intelligent.

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Speaker 5: I really, I really mean that.

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Speaker 10: Well.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that very much, and you're very kind. Thank you, Tom.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk soon, Thanks, buddy.

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Speaker 6: You will get that right you soon.

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Speaker 2: All right, here comes the eleven o'clock news. After that,

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about Minnesota, and I want to

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Speaker 2: talk about some of the statements Tom Holman made today.

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Speaker 2: And it's kind of interesting that this may settle down.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how but I think it may, and

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Speaker 2: we'll discuss after the eleven