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Speaker 2: Hi, Hello, welcome in our number two of Cincy three

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Speaker 2: sixty here on ESPN fifteen thirty. I am Austin Elmore

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Speaker 2: with you until three o'clock today. We'll turn things over

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Speaker 2: to Moe Eggar then four. I believe he's at Oakley Greens.

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Speaker 2: This is a typical Tuesday for Mo, and we'll talk

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Speaker 2: to him a little bit later on, But right now

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Speaker 2: we don't talk to Mo. We talked to Joe as

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Speaker 2: we always do on Tuesdays around this time. Joe Danoman

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Speaker 2: joining Cincy three sixty.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Joe, So Austin. I'm standing in the end zone

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Speaker 3: on Sunday at lambeau Field. It's a time out, third quarter,

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Speaker 3: and I hear someone yelling hey Danoman from the stand,

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Speaker 3: and I turn her out and look and it's the

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Speaker 3: same gentleman from the Detroit game who stood up and

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Speaker 3: yelled yeek stands up at lambeau Field goes yee, And

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Speaker 3: so I get a good slab about that, and then

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Speaker 3: another guy who rows in front of him stands up

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Speaker 3: and yells, ye man, sixty three point sixty for a

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Speaker 3: full takeover on lambeau Field. How about that?

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Speaker 2: That is so cool to hear that, And it was

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Speaker 2: really cool to be at lambeau Field. It was especially

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Speaker 2: cool in the second half when the Bengals showed signs

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Speaker 2: of life. Did they unlock something in the second half, Joe,

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Speaker 2: I think so.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if nothing else, they unlocked a little bit

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Speaker 3: of hope for the Bengals fan base and a little

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Speaker 3: bit of optimism going into Thursday Night. And I know

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Speaker 3: you've talked about it. I've talked about it. Anybody who

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Speaker 3: follows this team has talked about it. Now that Thursday Night,

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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, fields like the Alamo for this season.

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Speaker 3: This is the last shot, and the Bengals are going

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Speaker 3: to do this thing. You can't lose five games in

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Speaker 3: a row, you can't drop the two and five. But

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Speaker 3: if you do get to win, with the schedule opening

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Speaker 3: up a little bit here in the middle part of

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Speaker 3: the season, it feels like there's a shot here on

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Speaker 3: Thursday Night, But yeah, I think you have to leave

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Speaker 3: that game feeling optimistic about the way it looked, and

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Speaker 3: I equate it like this because I've watched and covered

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Speaker 3: this team for such a long time and I can't

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Speaker 3: explain it other than you get this feeling sometime in

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Speaker 3: the fourth quarter that, Okay, this team is about to

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Speaker 3: do this. I've seen this before. I know what this

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Speaker 3: feels like. And when the Bengals got the two point

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Speaker 3: conversion and got it to six points and then got

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Speaker 3: the Packers in the third down and seven, and you

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Speaker 3: can feel it in the crowd, a kind of a

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Speaker 3: nervy feeling and a murmur throughout lambeau Field. I'm like,

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Speaker 3: here it comes a Bengals stop and they get the

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Speaker 3: ball back, and what a story it'll be when Joe

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Speaker 3: Flacco leads them down the field and win and they

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Speaker 3: win the game. They didn't get that done yet, and

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Speaker 3: I still think that's where this team the question marks

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Speaker 3: are going forward. Can they finish games? Can they win

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Speaker 3: games in the fourth quarter? But with him throwing him

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Speaker 3: being Joe Flacco, him throwing the ball twenty times to

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Speaker 3: Jamar Chase and t Higgins, him having chemistry with Jamar

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Speaker 3: instantly in that second half, I think you have to

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Speaker 3: look positive about the way this could be and could

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Speaker 3: play out in the second half of the season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think when you look at the offense,

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Speaker 2: you obviously see the jump in the age of Joe Flacco,

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Speaker 2: but on the defense, they're getting younger. Logan Wilson basically

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Speaker 2: benched is the best way to say it. For Barrett

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Speaker 2: bit less of Orrin Bergs. What do you make of

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think I saw a stat the other day

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Speaker 3: there are only seven starting linebackers who are rookies in

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Speaker 3: the NFL, and the Bengals basically have two of them,

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Speaker 3: two of the seven across the league, which is pretty astounding.

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Speaker 3: I think it all goes back to this team trying

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Speaker 3: there are things that Barrett Carter can give Al Golden

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Speaker 3: what this team is now six weeks into it, and

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Speaker 3: you start to see the thumb print of Al Golden.

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Speaker 3: You know, through two weeks you can go back and

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Speaker 3: look at the stats, the Bengals weren't blissing at all,

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Speaker 3: and now the blitz rate has gone up significantly, and

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Speaker 3: I think Barrett Carter gives them more juice in the

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Speaker 3: I think that's the reason why Al Golden wants to

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Speaker 3: seeing more of Al Golden's trying to manufacture pressure, and

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Speaker 3: so I think those are re why you're seeing Barrett

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Speaker 3: Carter play. I'm all for it. I'm all for a

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Speaker 3: youth movement. Barrett Carter's made mistakes, is going to make mistakes.

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Speaker 3: Demetrius Knight, I think has been exactly what I thought

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Speaker 3: but I like what his future looks like. So I

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Speaker 3: agree with this on what the Bengals are doing. Logan

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Speaker 3: Wilson will still play. Logan Wilson can still help the

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Speaker 3: Bengals win. But if this team is trying to find

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Speaker 3: guys who can be somewhat splashy and the playmakers, while

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Speaker 3: Barrett Carter will make mistakes, I think Barrett Carter gives

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Speaker 3: of trying to manufacture pressure. And I think it should

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Speaker 3: be exciting for Bengals fans that if Trey Henderson's able

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Speaker 3: to play Thursday night and Jamar Stewart's able to play,

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Speaker 3: now you see what it looks like with this team

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Speaker 3: having two defensive ends who can be difference makers in

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Speaker 3: Austin trying to find ways to be more dangerous in

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Speaker 3: the blitz game, and I think Barrett Carter gives them

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Speaker 3: more of a weapon than Logan Wilson does in that

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Speaker 2: When you use that logic of going to the young

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Speaker 2: feel like he's going in the right direction.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, at this point it does. It does feel like

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Speaker 3: that's probably the right move. It's such an odd thing

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Speaker 3: and it's a hard thing to figure out. Listen, I

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Speaker 3: He does everything right to be good, and that's what's

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Speaker 3: I think if you go back and you played the

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Speaker 3: tape back Austin, of everything we talked about and everything

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Speaker 3: everybody said about what training camp looked like, DJ Turner

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Speaker 3: He was not performing well in Bengals training camp, and

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Speaker 3: through six weeks he's been very good for this team.

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Speaker 3: So they've got that part of it settled. Down to

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Speaker 3: your question, I think, yeah, I think it's time at

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Speaker 3: this point to look at somebody else because Cam Taylor

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Speaker 3: Britt it's just it's going in the wrong direction, and

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Speaker 3: I don't know how it gets fixed, because it's not

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Speaker 3: like it's not important to him, and it's not like

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Speaker 3: it's he's not trying to be better at this point.

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Speaker 3: It just wonder if it, if it can get better,

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Speaker 3: what else can he do to play better football? I

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Speaker 3: don't I don't know if it's in there, and so yeah,

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Speaker 3: I would try someone else.

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Speaker 2: Jamar Chase is really good. Have you ever seen or

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Speaker 3: Jamar Chase is very unique in the fact that I

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Speaker 3: don't think he's given enough credit for his football iqeah.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know why that is, because you know,

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Speaker 3: when you talk to him, he's he's a fun guy,

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Speaker 3: right he he he as a fun laugh He's interesting.

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Speaker 3: He can be entertaining in press conferences, and I don't

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Speaker 3: know why people uh don't don't understand or sometimes and

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Speaker 3: maybe this is outside of the fan base, maybe the

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Speaker 3: you really pay attention to a lot of things he says,

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Speaker 3: and you know about changing plays and and figuring things out.

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Speaker 3: I think he's I think he's a football genius and

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Speaker 3: football genius has come in different ways. I think his

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Speaker 3: ability to see things differently, to suggest things, and also

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Speaker 3: able to manipulate defenses with his body placement and what

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Speaker 3: seeing angles and that, that to me is what makes

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Speaker 3: him different. But I think I think he's a very

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Speaker 3: it comes to athletic ability. His athletic ability is off

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Speaker 3: his game as well, and I think that can really

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Speaker 3: help Joe Flacco. You can talk about speeding up the

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Speaker 3: process of chemistry. It took a half for Joe Flacco

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Speaker 3: to figure out that Jamar Chase and he had chemistry.

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Speaker 3: And that was asked to about Jamar and Joe Flacco

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Speaker 3: in the week leading up to him making his first

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Speaker 3: three and that great chemistry that Joe Flacco had with

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Speaker 3: Amari Cooper. Can that happen again with Cincinnati's wide receiver

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Speaker 3: number one. I think we answered that question pretty quick. Now,

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Speaker 3: can they start pushing the ball down the field and

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Speaker 3: making bigger plays down the field? I asked Jamar about it.

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Speaker 3: He said, listen, it's been one week. We're still building.

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Speaker 3: We'll get there kind of thing. But at the same time,

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Speaker 3: I think it's hard not to be excited about what

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Speaker 3: that combination can look like, considering he threw the ball

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Speaker 3: to him twelve times and ten of them caught, including

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Speaker 3: them kind of coming up with plays on the fly.

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Speaker 3: That's what happens when you have good chemistry, and I

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Speaker 3: think you're seeing that pretty quickly between those two.

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Speaker 2: With that being said, and you know what Jamar said

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Speaker 2: Should should Jamar or does he maybe have more of

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Speaker 2: an impact or a say in the offense than maybe

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Speaker 2: we realize And is that something that that Zach Taylor

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Speaker 3: Well, I think the one thing and I you know,

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Speaker 3: it's to read the room thing kind of here in Cincinnati,

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Speaker 3: and I get it. I understand the criticism of Zach Taylor,

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Speaker 2: Talking to Joe Danaman Fox nineteen look ahead the Thursday night,

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Speaker 3: In the unction. Hey, I had teenagers they're calling Thursday

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Speaker 3: So this week is a big week. Thursday Night yees.

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Speaker 2: Joe, thank you, man, Take it easy. Joe Daneman from

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