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Speaker 2: I'm going to open with a story here, and there's

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Speaker 2: a reason I'm opening with this. The story has to

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Speaker 2: Original investigation began last week into a guy from Kenosha

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Speaker 2: who's facing serious charges of threatening to kill an FBI agent.

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Speaker 2: He made other threats against other federal agents as well. No,

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Speaker 2: I'm just going to briefly go into the detail of

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Speaker 2: with the story. Much of my background here comes from

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Speaker 2: Kenosha County, I which I think was the first to

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Speaker 2: originally report of the story. I quote are now unsealed

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Speaker 2: federal indictment. It's apparently several days old, was unsealed I

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Speaker 2: think yesterday or the day before. The man's name is

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Speaker 2: Andrew Warren Stanton. He's from Kenosha, thirty eight. Now again

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Speaker 2: that's a fairly common name, so if you know somebody

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Speaker 2: with that name, this guy's thirty eight and He's from Kenosha.

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Speaker 2: He's a United States military veteran. According to the report

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Speaker 2: on js online and the report in Kenosha County I,

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Speaker 2: He's accused of threatening to murder a federal officer. He

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Speaker 2: also produced a series of TikTok videos calling for violence

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Speaker 2: against federal agents and in particular, ICE agents. I'll quote

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Speaker 2: from the Kenosha County Eye report. The FBI's Joined Terrorism

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Speaker 2: Task Force began investigating Stanton after the Wisconsin Statewide Intelligence

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Speaker 2: Center flagged disturbing social media activity on his TikTok account.

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Speaker 2: In one August video, Stanton allegedly said, we're not getting

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Speaker 2: through to them with using our words. That's never going

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Speaker 2: to happen. You have to use bullets, and another he declared,

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Speaker 2: I think we should be offing federal agents. He went

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Speaker 2: on to specifically name by name a specific federal agent.

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Speaker 2: It's in the indictment, but I'm not going to mention

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Speaker 2: people are willing to do this type of thing. It's

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Speaker 2: a crime to do it, and he's obviously indicted. I

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Speaker 2: We have another like Karen story, this one from Milwaukee.

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Speaker 2: I was at both of the first two Brewer games

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Speaker 2: in For those of you listening to this, I should

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Speaker 2: mention that we're doing this podcast before game three, a

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Speaker 2: few hours before Game three autunless nothing to say about

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Speaker 2: what's happened in those games because occurring after we do this.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, game two, in particular, in Milwaukee, the first

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Speaker 2: pitch thrown to a Brewer was to Jackson Curio, who

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Speaker 2: hit a home run, so of course everybody goes crazy.

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Speaker 2: First pitch. It was the only run the Brewers score

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Speaker 2: in the entire game. In any event, were like crazy. Well,

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Speaker 2: you know, shortly after that, the Dodger scored and then

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Speaker 2: they took the lead. There weren't lots of Dodger fans

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Speaker 2: there were Dodger fans that were there, and there was

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Speaker 2: an incident and we know about it because it's captured

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Speaker 2: the Brewer fans. Why you're so quiet now, Why you're

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Speaker 2: when they scored. Now, they like me and everybody else,

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Speaker 2: and this Dodger fan starts getting on people. Now, first

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Speaker 2: This stuff happens, and it happens. Its sports, and there's

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Speaker 2: It's I think, always dangerous to do a lot of

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Speaker 2: the exchange was a pretty good shot back. Now, I'm

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Speaker 2: So for those of you don't want to hear it,

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Speaker 2: But my guess is that it's not a beer. Okay,

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Speaker 2: barking back. The man is obviously Latino, and she makes

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Speaker 2: There's going to be an F bomb in it, and

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Speaker 2: important to hear the entire context of everything that both

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Speaker 3: Everybody quiet, What is this? I'm sorry, Paul eyes us this.

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Speaker 3: We're veteran, any girl, We're veteran.

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Speaker 3: Me good luck, good luck, good luck. Calais callom callum

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Speaker 2: All right, that's it, she said, somebody call ies. He

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Speaker 2: Undeniably the guy was the one who provoked Also undeniably,

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Speaker 2: the woman said to a Latino, call Ice. Every news report.

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Speaker 2: And for those of you not aware, this story is global.

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Speaker 2: You heard about the phillies, Karen. I don't think they

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Speaker 2: ever identified the phillies, Karen, the one who went and

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Speaker 2: for Manpower and Milwaukee. Manpower fired her and issued a

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Speaker 2: statement disassociating themselves basically from her entire existence as a

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Speaker 2: Her comment was, somebody call Ice. First of all, Ice

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Speaker 2: right now. Ice, immigration and customs enforcement is just reviled

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Speaker 2: by everyone on the American left. Obviously her reference somebody

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Speaker 2: He's legal, That was the comment. I have a number

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Speaker 2: of things to say about this. First, the thing that

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Speaker 2: this is a million in one. It remains beyond me

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Speaker 2: that people do not understand that our entire world has changed.

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Speaker 2: That guy's phone may as well have set been a

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Speaker 2: Why else is he videoing himself doing the taunting unless

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Speaker 2: Do you not understand you're being recorded? There have been

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Speaker 2: my guess is that the rest of this woman's life

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Speaker 2: exactly what he wanted. He forgot. I'm gonna go into

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Speaker 2: this game in Milwaukee and I'm gonna hack off some

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Speaker 2: for making a comment that is dealing in this whole

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Speaker 2: As for her employer or manpower, I have no idea

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Speaker 2: what her entire work history is. But they want to

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Speaker 2: So it doesn't reflect our values. This that and the

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Speaker 2: other thing. I just wonder how many. Manpower is a

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Speaker 2: huge company. They're like in every country in the world.

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Speaker 2: They have to have employees who've done things that are

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Speaker 2: worse than this. You know, Manpower has had their own

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Speaker 2: issues on the H one B visa type of issue. Now,

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Speaker 2: I did a story that I hope you do not forget.

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Speaker 2: Paul will have forgotten because Paul has zero memory. The

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, I even said, remember this story. The

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Speaker 2: The to loots in Milwaukee charge approximately thirty nine trillion

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Speaker 2: war with China or not? Or is Trump caving into China?

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Speaker 2: What's he doing? And again, I just I'm sorry. I

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Speaker 2: don't know how you can't understand what he's doing. This

431
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 2: has been Trump's m O forever. I'll use another analogy

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Speaker 2: for you. Do you remember Bobby Knight or is this

433
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Speaker 2: now all too dated for some of you that aren't

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Speaker 2: old enough. You remember Bobby Knight? Yeah? See that People

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Speaker 2: bring up the chair. It's like it was the only

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Speaker 2: thing he ever did. Bobby Knight baited referees. You want

437
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Speaker 2: a good YouTube reference, check out the Bobby Knight Ted

438
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Speaker 2: Valentine day. I was at the Miami Duke basketball game

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Speaker 2: in Miami this one. Ted Valentine was officiating. My jaw dropped.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe he's still refereeing. I mean, Bobby Knight

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Speaker 2: and Ted Valentine had their run in about thirty five

442
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Speaker 2: or forty years. I can't I don't know. Ted Valentine

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Speaker 2: must be one hundred and seventy five years old. He's

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Speaker 2: the most famous college basketball referee ever and always the

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Speaker 2: most controversial anyway, Ted Valentine would be the Bobby Knight

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Speaker 2: of referees, equally hot head and equally stuppern and the

447
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 2: two of them went at it, and it was just

448
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 2: anyway Bobby Knight worked the referees. He would berate them

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Speaker 2: and intimidate them in an attempt to get him to

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Speaker 2: give them the next call. That's all Trump does. The difference, though,

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Speaker 2: is the one thing Bobby Knight lacked in this is

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Speaker 2: that he didn't have the charm to do. The good

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Speaker 2: cop Knight would have been more effective, and a lot

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Speaker 2: of referees didn't want to give bobbyknit a call. Ever,

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Speaker 2: sometimes he did indeed intimidate them, but if you know,

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Speaker 2: push came to shove, they were going to screw him

457
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Speaker 2: because he was such a dank to them. Trump does both.

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00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 2: He kisses the rear end of these tyrants and then

459
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Speaker 2: in the next breath rips on them. He plays them

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Speaker 2: both ways. It's his style and it's incredibly effective. Look

461
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 2: what this I did. He got Net and Yahoo and

462
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 2: Harmas to both Buckle by both sweet talking Net and

463
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Speaker 2: Yahoo and then kicking him in the udo. What when

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Speaker 2: he continued to bomb Gaza after Trump told him not to,

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Speaker 2: and he did the same thing with Hamas. Likewise, you

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Speaker 2: don't hear Trump complaining at all. Then Hamas is still

467
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Speaker 2: out there on the street killing people, by the way,

468
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Speaker 2: and you don't hear anybody on the left objecting to this.

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Speaker 2: The people that Hamas is killing are Palestidians. There are

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Speaker 2: Palestinian militias, maybe better known as just gangs that see

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Speaker 2: this vacuum. Hamas is so beaten up that they're looking

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Speaker 2: to take over neighborhoods in Gaza, and Hamas doesn't want

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Speaker 2: that to happen, so they're grabbing these people and they're

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Speaker 2: shooting him in the head in the street. It's just

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Speaker 2: Palestinians killing Palestidians. It's Hamas trying to keep control of

476
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Speaker 2: Gaza by going after the non Hamas residence of Gaza.

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Speaker 2: As far as Trump concerned, this is not an international matter.

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Speaker 2: It's a matter of you know, what the people of

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Speaker 2: Gaza want. And the people of Gaza dug their own

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Speaker 2: grave when they empowered the monster from Hamas to rule

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Speaker 2: their area. And if they don't like it, they can

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Speaker 2: join these gangs and try to kill the leaders of

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Speaker 2: Hamas and get a different type of leadership in because

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Speaker 2: Hamas is never going to call another election there and

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Speaker 2: any of it. My point is is that Trump's not

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Speaker 2: gonna bitch about that because it's not Israel doing. It's

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Speaker 2: not an inertial thing, it's an internal Gaza thing. The

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Speaker 2: larger thing is is Israel killing members of Hamasa. They're

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Speaker 2: going in and bomba. No they're not, and have the

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Speaker 2: hostage has been released, Yes, we'll it hold. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: What I do know is that Trump, in this style

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Speaker 2: that he has, has managed to work this to the

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Speaker 2: level of success. And it just it kind of stuns

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Speaker 2: me that people never get what his mo O is,

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Speaker 2: even though it's just so obvious what his m O is.

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Speaker 2: You're listening to the Markdelling podcast. This is the Mark

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Speaker 2: Belling podcast Time Front Update. There's been this story that's

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Speaker 2: developed over the last several days over the refusal of

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Speaker 2: a local charter school, and we have to keep explaining

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Speaker 2: a charter school is a public school. It's not run

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Speaker 2: by public school systems, but it is a public school.

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Speaker 2: It's a government school. They have to follow all the

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Speaker 2: rules of public schools follow and all of their actions

504
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Speaker 2: have to be public. They're subject to the open records

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Speaker 2: law of the open meetings law and so on, but

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Speaker 2: they're not run by local school boards. This particular school

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Speaker 2: was chartered in Waukashaw County by the La Courre Tribe

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Speaker 2: of Northern Wisconsin. The reauthorization of the charter was done

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Speaker 2: by Waukashaw County, so Waukeshaw County Executive Paul Farrell is

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Speaker 2: essentially the charterer now currently of the school. He's the

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Speaker 2: government body. They have their own board. It's called the

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Speaker 2: Lake Country Classical Academy. From the beginning, they affiliated with

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Speaker 2: Hillsdale College, which is a very prominent conservative college in

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Speaker 2: Michigan that has developed a K through twelve curriculum that

515
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Speaker 2: basically says, we're everything that the stink bomb public schools aren't.

516
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Speaker 2: The board of directors is filled with Scott Walker types

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Speaker 2: and so on, and they've marketed themselves as a conservative institution.

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Speaker 2: A student, and by the way, she's going places anybody

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Speaker 2: willing to stand up to the leadership of her own school,

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Speaker 2: particularly when that leadership of that school is arrogant and unaccountable.

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Speaker 2: You get my credit there. It's real easy for a

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Speaker 2: lefty to stand up because everybody cheer leads her a

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Speaker 2: lot her name is Katie Smiley. She wants to start

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Speaker 2: a Turning Point chapter at her school. If you haven't

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Speaker 2: been paying any of dif first of all, to have

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Speaker 2: to explain to people the Turning Point is Charlie Kirk's group.

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Speaker 2: I just did so, therefore I don't have to do

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Speaker 2: it again. Since Early's assassination, young people across the country

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Speaker 2: have been just hell bent to see that his movement

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Speaker 2: doesn't die with him. Turning Point had lots of chapters

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Speaker 2: at schools and colleges before his assassination, but it has

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Speaker 2: more than double sense. And Katie Smiley tried to get

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Speaker 2: a Turning Point chapter at Lake Country Classical Academy and

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Speaker 2: has been obstructed. They rejected her application. The principal of

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Speaker 2: the school is a woman named Margaret Hagador. She is

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Speaker 2: the wife of Brian Hagaror in State Supreme Court Justice.

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Speaker 2: There's a board of directors. As I said at the school,

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Speaker 2: Turning Point drew attention to the fact that the charter

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Speaker 2: was rejected. There has been massive criticism now across the

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Speaker 2: country nationally at this school. There has been some attempt

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Speaker 2: by some members of the board to try to facilitate

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Speaker 2: a solution to this but as we speak right now,

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Speaker 2: it appears to me that they're getting not nowhere, but

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Speaker 2: virtually nowhere. The principal of the Cool Schools announced what

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Speaker 2: she said was a compromise. She said, we're going to

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Speaker 2: have a civics club. Well, whoopdie do. It's not a

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Speaker 2: turning point chapter, and the civics club would share many

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Speaker 2: of the same goals as turning point Again, whoopdie do.

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Speaker 2: A civics club administered by the school is not the

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Speaker 2: same as a turning point chapter, which embodies the ideals

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Speaker 2: that Charlie Kirk and his organization stand for. They had

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Speaker 2: a meeting of the board of directors last night. It

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Speaker 2: was covered by something Wisconsin right Now dot Com was

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Speaker 2: there and they reported on it, and they reported that

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Speaker 2: a number of the members of the board and the principal,

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Speaker 2: Margaret hagendor and basically lashed out at the people who

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Speaker 2: have been criticizing them. In particular, they said that we

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Speaker 2: need more communication, not conflict. Well, I want to comment

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Speaker 2: on that for a moment. That school has not responded

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Speaker 2: prior to five to twelve today to me at all.

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Speaker 2: If you want communication, start answering questions beyond that you

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Speaker 2: are a public school, you are accountable in the same

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Speaker 2: way that the Elmbrook School District is accountable. You're a

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Speaker 2: chartered school, but a public school. Just because you say

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Speaker 2: you have a rule, does it mean that others don't

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Speaker 2: have a right to criticize that rule. Secondly, when your

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Speaker 2: school is established by sucking up to conservatives for money

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Speaker 2: and getting endorsements of people like me, and then turning

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Speaker 2: around and telling us to shut up and leave us

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Speaker 2: alone as we drift off into moderate education, stinkfill. There's

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Speaker 2: nothing wrong with us reacting and giving you blowback. Don't

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Speaker 2: ask for your money. If you intend to be one

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Speaker 2: more leaning left kind of private type of school, well

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Speaker 2: you masquerade as something else. As I've said from the beginning,

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Speaker 2: there is a way to work through this. There always is, Sir,

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Speaker 2: Are you saying that we shouldn't follow the rules. That's

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Speaker 2: not a conservative thing. I've said my entire career that

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Speaker 2: following the rules is never your number one priority. Doing

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Speaker 2: the right thing is the number one priority. If the

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Speaker 2: rule is stupid, work your way through the rule. Learn

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Speaker 2: from the NFL on this. They change the rules thirty

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Speaker 2: eight times during the season. NASCAR changes the rules in

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Speaker 2: the middle of a race. The easiest thing to do

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Speaker 2: here is, as I've said, tell the kids they can

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Speaker 2: have a Turning Point chapter. They can use a school

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Speaker 2: room after school to do it. They can even use

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Speaker 2: an email. But it's independent. It's your thing, but you

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00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 2: simply use it. The example I used on an earlier

589
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 2: podcast is like sometimes you'll see a boy Scout troup

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Speaker 2: meeting a school or other kinds of groups. In other words,

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Speaker 2: allow them to work within the confines of the school

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Speaker 2: without being an official part of the school apparatus. Be it,

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Speaker 2: but be an organization that works within the school. It's semantics.

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Speaker 2: It would make everybody happy. It would allow Turning Point

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Speaker 2: that gets to call itself Turning Point have a chapter

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Speaker 2: at that school without being part of the school. It's

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Speaker 2: a way of nitpicking yourself to a solution. But they

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Speaker 2: haven't done that. And the reason that they don't want

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Speaker 2: to do that is I think there are some people

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Speaker 2: there who don't like the whole idea of Turning Point

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Speaker 2: and the fact that it's conservative. Again, you set yourself

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Speaker 2: up by affiliating with Hillsdale to be conservative. Margaret Hagendoron

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Speaker 2: did get back to me via email this afternoon saying

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Speaker 2: she doesn't understand why I'm saying she didn't communicate, And

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Speaker 2: I said, well, I left you a voice fail message

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Speaker 2: days ago, you never responded, and she said, I sent

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Speaker 2: you a statement. That's true. She sent out the same

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Speaker 2: statement that they sent to parents. It doesn't answer my questions.

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Speaker 2: I had numerous questions. So they're the board meeting last

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Speaker 2: night and then so like many people are very happy

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Speaker 2: about it. Got a quote here for this is on

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Speaker 2: Wisconsin right now from Katie Smile. He's a student. She

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Speaker 2: and her mother have been adamantly fighting for this, and

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Speaker 2: they are our heroes here. They're standing up to the

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Speaker 2: bullies within the school and some within the schools, and

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Speaker 2: they keep saying, this is doing great damage to our school. Well,

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Speaker 2: who's doing the great damage. You're the ones that said

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Speaker 2: turning point can't come in, which pisses off a lot

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Speaker 2: of us. We have a right to be hacked off

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Speaker 2: of you do something. If you did something, if you

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Speaker 2: decided to paint the school pink, we have a right

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Speaker 2: to be hacked off about that. You never seen a

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Speaker 2: pink school? If you ever have you ever seen a

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Speaker 2: pink school? There might be one. There might be one

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Speaker 2: somewhere of it. You don't see many pink structures that

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Speaker 2: really of anything. There's just all I just wasn't a

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Speaker 2: John Mellencamp little pink houses?

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Speaker 4: Was it?

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Speaker 3: That?

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Speaker 2: Him going on about that? Well? Where does he claim

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Speaker 2: these pink coases actually are? Is Indiana? They have pink houses?

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Speaker 4: There?

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Speaker 2: Is that what he's talking about in there? He apparently

634
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Speaker 2: has become a really cranky liberal he stormed off stage recently.

635
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Speaker 2: I mean, he must be one of these guys where

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Speaker 2: the pot just is wearing off on him and he's

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Speaker 2: in pain or something. Yeah, I mean he's just like

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Speaker 2: a crabby, mean old man. I digress, but I've spent

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Speaker 2: a career digressing. As I said on a quote a

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Speaker 2: couple of portions from Wisconsin right now story, I'll get

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Speaker 2: to Katie Smiley's comment. This is from Wisconsin right now.

642
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 2: They quote Brett Galashwski. He's the head of Turning Points

643
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:37,760
Speaker 2: Chapters Organization. With my ask is Charlie's ask. The board

644
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 2: can make this happen and see Charlie's dream come through.

645
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 2: It's not a lot to ask, added Galashowski, a seventeen

646
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 2: year old stuent Nam. Katie Smiley wants to create the

647
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 2: Turning Point Club at the conservative school, Principal Margaret Hagutt

648
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 2: and the wife of State Supreme Court Justice Brian Hagut,

649
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 2: has rejected that request that announced she is creating a

650
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 2: generic civics club instead. Katie told Wisconsin Right Now that

651
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 2: she wants to start a Turning Point Club to help

652
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 2: her school thrive because she loves it so much. So,

653
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 2: in other words, this is somebody who likes her school

654
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,919
Speaker 2: and realizes, unlike Hagadorn, that the school benefits from having

655
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 2: something like this, so I can clearly identify itself with

656
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 2: the principles of Charlie Kirk and not the principles of

657
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 2: all the crap that's screwing up education in America, which,

658
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 2: by the way, is the thing that makes Hillsdale itself

659
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 2: stand out. And they're the ones that claim they're Hillsdale affiliated.

660
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 2: The board it included a draft letter in its meeting

661
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 2: packet that would inform parents its policies were being revised

662
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 2: and would likely accommodate a Turning Point Club after Hugh

663
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 2: and cry resulted, but the board on Wednesday night scrap

664
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: that draft letter, and the board appears to be going

665
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 2: along with the Civics club, but what that will be

666
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 2: is very confusing to smiling her mom and other parents

667
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 2: who spoke after the meeting. Now, I spoke to Ellen Noak,

668
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:51,919
Speaker 2: this is me no and not the story. I spoke

669
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 2: to Ellanoak, a board member, and she told me on Monday,

670
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 2: give us time and until Monday Wednesday, and we should

671
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 2: be able to work this out. They're not working it out.

672
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 2: Isn't going to be a Turning Point chapter affiliated independently

673
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 2: or not. There's instead going to be a Civics club

674
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 2: because this school and some of my guests, the lefty

675
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 2: parents who are sending their kids in there, because the

676
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 2: lefty parents realize the public schools also suck, don't want

677
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 2: anything to do with Charlie Kirk or Turning Point. So yeah,

678
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 2: if there's damage downe to the school, I say, good

679
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 2: fix the school. And if the problem is is that

680
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 2: you've got Haggard Ori in here who isn't willing to

681
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 2: do what many of us and many of the supporters

682
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,280
Speaker 2: want to do, sobay it. And as for the board

683
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 2: of directors, stop expecting people like me to tell people

684
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 2: to support the school, and stop expecting people like me

685
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 2: to talk about the incredible movement of private and charter

686
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 2: schools we're seeing in southeastern Wisconsin that have formed and

687
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:53,240
Speaker 2: rebellion to the general crap the public schools are producing.

688
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 2: The meeting was basically a ran session by Principal Margaret

689
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 2: Hangout and again, this is Wisconsin right now. I was

690
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 2: not there. The meeting is, however, on YouTube and some

691
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 2: board members against critics, at least the part that dealt

692
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 2: with the club issue. Some of the board members and

693
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 2: the principle went on a wholesale rant saying they have

694
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 2: been mistreated, lied about, and criticized. All right, if this

695
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 2: is a reference to me, I want to know one

696
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 2: thing I said that was a lie. Again, I'm working

697
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 2: with a lack of information because no one from that

698
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 2: board has forthcomingly come out and laid out and answered questions.

699
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 2: I have hit them with a big open records request

700
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 2: that I'm sure they're going to try to weasel around

701
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 2: and not have to deal with, none of which would

702
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 2: have been necessary if they would have been transparent in

703
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 2: the first place. About the whole thing. If your whole

704
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 2: thing is we don't want to have anything to do

705
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 2: with Charlie Kirk and turning point because we want control

706
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 2: of things that we don't want any say. So it admitted,

707
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 2: and we'll all know that your school is just another

708
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,240
Speaker 2: piece of crab school out there that doesn't get consider

709
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 2: conservative ideology or the principles of Turning Point to be

710
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 2: worth anything. Which is I suspect what the whole problem

711
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 2: here is, but they don't want to say. And if

712
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 2: it isn't the whole problem here, establish a chapter and

713
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 2: figure out a way to do it. They basically planted

714
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,240
Speaker 2: themselves as the victims of critics. This is again Jessic

715
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 2: McBride of Wisconsin Right Now reporting without giving specifics on

716
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 2: the supposed misinformation. They called for people to have conversations

717
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,720
Speaker 2: rather than communicating online. Katie's quest to start the Turning

718
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 2: Point Club has gone viral, with many people offering her

719
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 2: support on social media and criticize the school's decision, although

720
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 2: there is some disagreement among parents about the direction the

721
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 2: school should take. Well, if that's the case, let the

722
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 2: parents who want to have a lefty school, who have

723
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 2: their lefty school, but take Hillsdale's name off of it,

724
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 2: and stop trying to apply to people that you're conservative

725
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 2: by putting Hillsdale's name on it. You are screaming we

726
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 2: are conservative school. If you're not, then stop killing everybody

727
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 2: you are. However, Hagadorn did not ask answer two requests

728
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 2: for comment by email and voicemail, at least to Wisconsin

729
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 2: right now before our stories ran and Melissa Smiley, the

730
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 2: mom of Katie Smiley, the teen who wants to start

731
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 2: the Turning Point club at the school, alleges that Margaret

732
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 2: Falseley told Fox News that she had spoken to Katie

733
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 2: and her mom about the club. They said she did not.

734
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 2: Haggard Wold alleged that she had been the victim of

735
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 2: a public media campaign to attack me personally, lie about me,

736
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 2: and destroy my reputation. Again, if that's a reference to

737
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 2: me or anything that I've said, I want to know

738
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 2: what it was. What is it? She has every right

739
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 2: to run a school and say no to Turning Point,

740
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 2: and anybody who doesn't like that has every right to

741
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 2: point out that you called yourself conservative when you started it,

742
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 2: and there are zillions of lefty schools across the country

743
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 2: that have allowed Turning Point. Thirdly, you're a public school.

744
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 2: You may be a charter school, correct, it's a hybrid,

745
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:53,280
Speaker 2: but your public school anyway, we have rules against outside organizations.

746
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 2: I know where they have those rules. It's to stop

747
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 2: every kind of lefty LGBTQ plus club at all of that.

748
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 2: So you figure out a way to work within the

749
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 2: confines of this. It's just all I've suggested. Another board

750
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 2: member called the criticism disturbing and disappointing, and official said

751
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 2: school leaders were tried and convicted. By the way, the

752
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 2: only board member that spoke to me was Illadoak. None

753
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 2: others even reached out to me. So I don't know

754
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 2: what their problem is other than they don't think that

755
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 2: they should be subject to any kind of criticism, even

756
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 2: though anybody with half a brain or a sense of

757
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 2: public relations would have understood that there is a mission

758
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 2: among many conservative young people in America to keep Charlie

759
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 2: Kirk's vision alive, and they trying to snuff it out

760
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 2: at this school, a school that purports to be conservative.

761
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 2: If you don't think that's going to create a backlash,

762
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 2: it means you're blinded by your own leftyism. I did,

763
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 2: by the way, speak via email to Scott Walker, former governor.

764
00:44:56,080 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 2: He is listed as an honorary member of the board.

765
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 2: As said allowed and in print that there should be

766
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 2: a chapter for Turning Point. There just that there should

767
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,359
Speaker 2: be a chapter for his organization, Young America's the Young

768
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 2: America's Foundation, which is another conservative organization at these schools

769
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 2: if they want them. No, he's an honorary board member.

770
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 2: I don't know if he has any particular poll here.

771
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 2: I think it would help if he and other conservatives

772
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 2: slam this school even harder so they buckle. We all

773
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 2: know the kind of pressure that comes to the left,

774
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 2: and I think we can kind of suspect the pressure

775
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 2: and where it is coming from here and why it

776
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 2: is that they don't want to do this. As for

777
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 2: Hillsdale itself, if Hillsdale is going to charter schools and

778
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 2: then say that those schools can't have anything to do

779
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,760
Speaker 2: with Turning Point, then Hillsdale needs to reconsider its mission

780
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 2: as well. The students got far less mention on the

781
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 2: draft letter. The board decided to bypass that item on

782
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 2: the agenda because the situation has changed, and scrapped it

783
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 2: for the aforementioned but ill divined vague Civics club. Can

784
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 2: you imagine this civics club? Can you just imagine the

785
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 2: civics club that they have? Can you just imagine the

786
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 2: civics club turning point isn't a civics club. It's an

787
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,280
Speaker 2: advocacy organization. And that's the thing they have a problem

788
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 2: with because of what they advocate. And that's the entire

789
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 2: problem here. If you are uncomfortable with a conservative organization

790
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 2: as an advocacy group having a club or a chapter

791
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 2: at the school, it's because you're not conservative. So don't

792
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 2: say you are, and just admit you're not. Admit you're.

793
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 2: One more thing. I keep going on about this conservative

794
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 2: drift of organizations, and this just screams out to me

795
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 2: as being among them. I want to get to the

796
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 2: quote from your one parent. Andrea Hayes slammed the administration.

797
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,280
Speaker 2: She said she took her kids out of the school

798
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 2: even though she loves its mission and wants to thrive.

799
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 2: She accused Margaret that's Margaret Hagadorn of disbanding a previous

800
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 2: civics club that was popular with students and parents without

801
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 2: proper communication. She said the past civics club was ended

802
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 2: abruptly by administration without ever, without even basic respect or

803
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 2: any conversation. She said other in house clubs were systematically

804
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 2: disbanded and alleged that there is a pattern of dismissive

805
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 2: or controlling behavior that is on full repeat right now.

806
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 2: She said. It is not one issue, but rather a

807
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 2: pattern of control at all costs that extends back years,

808
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 2: not the past five days. Another parent precis Zundel I

809
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 2: hope I proNT that correctly. Where's concerns about declines in

810
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 2: enrollment and limited extracurricular offerings. He said, some parents are

811
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,399
Speaker 2: talking about whether they will keep their kids here. It's

812
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 2: not because they don't believe in the school's mission. They

813
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 2: fervently do. They're worried about extracurricular and leadership opportunities for kids.

814
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 2: They don't want kids to have to choose between college

815
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 2: opportunities and a classical education. Both parents and others afterwards

816
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 2: of the Turning Point Club is not the entire issue.

817
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 2: It's not about the past five days that the board

818
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 2: and Margaret Hagarin focused on, but rather systemic pattern of

819
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 2: long standing concerns about the leadership of a school they love.

820
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 2: They also express confusion afterwards about what the new Civics

821
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,399
Speaker 2: Club is supposed to entail and to what degree, if any,

822
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 2: it will follow Turning Point materials or mission. Afterwards, Katie

823
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 2: Smiley that's the seventeen year old girl that I think

824
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 2: is heroic Curan standing up, don't you? We're all for

825
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 2: We had a couple of others. This goes back a

826
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 2: long ways of young people from Maria stood up in things,

827
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 2: and now I see them being interviewed on Megan Kelly's podcast,

828
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 2: running organizations and so on. I take full credit for this.

829
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 2: I think I've helped them part backbone in them, don't you.

830
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 2: I am part of it exactly. Yeah, that's well turning

831
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 2: punt to be part of the Civics to her anyway.

832
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 2: Katie Smiley told wr in that Wisconsin Right Now that

833
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 2: she believes keeping Charlie Kirk in the club will have

834
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 2: more meaning and emotional impact on students than just the

835
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 2: generic Civics club. I think that's why they're against it.

836
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 2: She stressed that she loves her school and is just

837
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 2: trying to build it. She will be featured on Fox

838
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 2: and Friends tomorrow, but said if administrators are going to

839
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,760
Speaker 2: die on this hill, she will try to work within

840
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 2: they're required. You see what they've managed to do. Now

841
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 2: they've managed to put this kid on Fox and Friends

842
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,919
Speaker 2: and have all of this. You think somebody would teach

843
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 2: them a little bit of crisis manage. It wouldn't you.

844
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 2: If anybody's ended up damaging it's them. Let them have

845
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 2: their damn club and just figure out a way to

846
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,720
Speaker 2: do it within the context of not having to allow

847
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 2: every other stupid lefty club to come in. If you

848
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 2: can't figure out how to do that, don't start at

849
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 2: school and claim your conservative and I part of this

850
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 2: goes back to the whole notion of making this a

851
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 2: charter school and not simply an outright private school. There

852
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 2: are advantages financially to being a charter school, and one

853
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 2: of the downsides of it for them is it also

854
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Speaker 2: now means that they're subject to scrutiny because a charter

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Speaker 2: school is a government operation, even though it may be

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Speaker 2: privately run. It is a quasi government operation, and they're

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Speaker 2: accountable to anybody who wants to shoot off their big mouth,

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Speaker 2: including me with my big mouth. I want to move

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Speaker 2: to another topic here quickly. By the way, we have

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Speaker 2: a quote of the day that I'm going to share.

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Speaker 2: Let me get to this first. Barton swam Wall Street Journal,

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Speaker 2: The Wall Street Journalist not they're barely conservative anymore. On

863
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Speaker 2: the editorial page and they're not pro Trump, but occasionally

864
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Speaker 2: some of the people who don't much like Trump will

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Speaker 2: write a piece that at least explains it. And Barton

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Speaker 2: Swain's point here is, for all this lefty stuff that

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Speaker 2: Trump is an attack on democracy. In fact, Trump personifies democracy.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you can find a more pro democracy

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Speaker 2: figure in America than Donald Trump. A. He's premised his

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Speaker 2: policies on things that people want. B. He was elected

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Speaker 2: by a majority vote of the popular vote and the

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Speaker 2: Electoral College. So anyway, Barton Swain rights, you could make

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Speaker 2: a reasonable You could make a reasonable case. The democrats

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Speaker 2: present woes stem from the misuse of a single word.

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Speaker 2: Their manic, unthinking resistance to everything President Trump says or

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Speaker 2: does has its origins in their failure to know what

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Speaker 2: they mean by democracy. In the fall of twenty fifteen,

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00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,240
Speaker 2: democrats in the media settled on the claim that Trump's

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Speaker 2: unlikely candidacy was an attack on democracy or a threat

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Speaker 2: to democracy. The phrase fizzled after he won with a

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Speaker 2: plurality of the popular vote in twenty twenty four, but

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Speaker 2: Trump's bitterest enemies have never managed to doubt the postulate

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Speaker 2: that he menaces the American form of government that might

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Speaker 2: have spared themselves a decade of angst, or at least

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Speaker 2: found a better way to oppose him if they had

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Speaker 2: recalled that America's founders disliked democracy, just that That's one

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Speaker 2: of the things people just did not understand about the

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Speaker 2: founding fathers. They were not fans of democracy. They created

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Speaker 2: a republic. We have morphed into a republic whose leaders

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Speaker 2: are chosen via democracy. People give debinton, are we republic

891
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Speaker 2: or a democracy? We're republic. We're republic, though that is

892
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Speaker 2: governed via democracy. Back to the point, they might have

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Speaker 2: spared themselves a decative answers to a republic too given

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Speaker 2: to democracy they thought would allow big personalities to leverage

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Speaker 2: the public's irascibility against established order. James Madison memorably concluded

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Speaker 2: in Federalists Number ten that democracies ever have ever been

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Speaker 2: spectacles of turbulence and contention. The American polity long ago

898
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Speaker 2: decided to take that worry less seriously than the founders did.

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Speaker 2: Popular elections, not machine bosses, and legislatures choose party nominees

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Speaker 2: and US senators. Progressives of an earlier gave us these

901
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 2: and other democratic reforms when their political descendants, today's liberals

902
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 2: and progressives gnashed their teeth over Trump. The unknowingly can

903
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Speaker 2: see that the founders had a point. His point here

904
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Speaker 2: is that these lefties they're not defending democracy. They're opposing democracy.

905
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Speaker 2: They're opposing the fact that Trump was democratically elected. So

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Speaker 2: they went they're using the wrong word here because democracy

907
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 2: sounds popular. But they're clearly trying to object to the

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Speaker 2: notion of democracy, and object to the notion that the

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Speaker 2: public gets to decide things and not experts. This at

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00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 2: anyway back to the peace. A decade after his entry

911
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 2: into politics, Trump's enemies still make no attempt to distinguish

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Speaker 2: between his own popularity or lack of it, and that

913
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Speaker 2: of the objectives to which he applies his energy. Most Americans,

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Speaker 2: the number hovers around fifty five percent, disapprove of Trump

915
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Speaker 2: and don't like the way he goes about things. It

916
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 2: doesn't follow that majorities think he's wrong about those things.

917
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Speaker 2: The opposite is nearer the truth. On nearly all his

918
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Speaker 2: big ticket items, the president's attitude fully accords with that

919
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 2: of the public. Trump's war on elite universities has occasioned

920
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 2: cogent criticisms, some made by this newspaper's editorial board. But

921
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Speaker 2: ignore Trump and his tactics and ask yourself how many

922
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Speaker 2: Americans think the country's fanciest schools are an unmitigated blessing

923
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Speaker 2: and don't deserve some rough treatment for turning generations of

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Speaker 2: young minds into oatmeal. By the way, this goes back,

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Speaker 2: I think to the whole point of Lake Countie Classical,

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Speaker 2: Lake Country Classical Academy and the attempt to not be

927
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Speaker 2: that type of an institution, and the type of institution

928
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Speaker 2: that instead Foster's thought and dialogue, the kind the turning

929
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,280
Speaker 2: point was pressing for rather than the kind of top

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Speaker 2: down and this is a Civics class that I'm going

931
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Speaker 2: to give you, according to the Gospel of Margaret Hagador. Anyway,

932
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Speaker 2: back to the piece, the compact his administration wants universities

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Speaker 2: to sign would get an eager thumbs up from I

934
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Speaker 2: would guess ninety percent of the public. This document, if agreed,

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Speaker 2: would obligate universities to foreswear in consideration of rap and sex,

936
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Speaker 2: and admissions cap the number of foreign students they accept,

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Speaker 2: freeze tuition for five years, use standardized test scores at admissions,

938
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Speaker 2: and foster viewpoint diversity problems may lurk in the details,

939
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Speaker 2: but the aims are controversial only to people need to

940
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Speaker 2: get out, only to people who need to get out

941
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 2: more that ice or immigration to customs enforcement pushes the

942
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 2: bounds of legal gality in its no knock roundups is

943
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 2: pretty obvious, but Democrats align themselves with a tiny minority

944
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 2: when they with their denunciations of Trump, make them sound

945
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 2: as if they think illegal aliens have the right to

946
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 2: live and work in the United States as long as

947
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Speaker 2: they don't kill people. It is a safe conjecture that

948
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Speaker 2: if the Democrats take the House in twenty twenty six,

949
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 2: they will impeach Trump. What four a common guess his

950
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 2: command on at least five occasions so far to pulverize

951
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Speaker 2: boats to deemed by intelligence officials to be ferrying narcotics

952
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Speaker 2: into the US. The policy, in the end may invite

953
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Speaker 2: successful legal challenge. Before drawing up articles of impeachment, Democrats

954
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 2: may wish to ask a few average Americans what they think.

955
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 2: The point that they make is just about every American

956
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 2: thinks it's perfectly fine to blow up a bode of

957
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 2: drug smuggle. It's bringing drugs into the United States, and

958
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 2: the Democrats worried about the niceties of this, again, don't

959
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 2: understand democracy. Most of us think, if they're hauling in,

960
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 2: you know, boatloads of fentanyl and everything else into the

961
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 2: United States and we blow that boat up, that's a

962
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 2: good thing that we don't think you have a particular

963
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 2: unfettered right to come into the United States with boatloads

964
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 2: and drugs. Back to the peace. Democrats are sometimes right

965
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 2: to fulminate against the President for his decisions strong arming

966
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 2: private companies, telling pregnant women not to take tyl and

967
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 2: all slapping one hundred thousand dollars fee on h one

968
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 2: B applications, but many of Trump's preoccupations aren't of this sort.

969
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 2: I sometimes wonder, this is Martin Swain if the president's

970
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:51,879
Speaker 2: turbulence in pursuit of his aims is meant to tempt

971
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 2: his adversaries into denouncing both the turbulence and the aims

972
00:56:55,920 --> 00:57:00,280
Speaker 2: and thus sound ridiculous. By the way, that is Trump's. Again,

973
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 2: I talk about earlier the Dodger fan who baited the

974
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 2: Brewer fan and is saying the thing, this is what

975
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 2: Trump does by doing things in the style that he does.

976
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 2: The lefties take the bait, and not only rip Trump

977
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 2: for the style, but they rip Trump for the substance,

978
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 2: and that's the substance in which almost everybody agrees with

979
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 2: him on Back to the piece. Has often badly expressed

980
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 2: belief that American cities tolerate too much crime. Has on

981
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 2: an educated guest eighty percent of the public behind it,

982
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 2: But many of his enemies seem to think that they

983
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 2: must choose between quelling violence with troops and denying the

984
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 2: existence of urban crime. If Democrats want to stop making

985
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 2: themselves abhorrent to the public, they will have to think

986
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 2: the unthinkable. That Trump is a democratic expression of the

987
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 2: American character, not the only or the finest expression, but

988
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 2: an authentic one. He decreed an overhaul of the Smithsonian

989
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 2: Institution because he knows what the electorate knows that America

990
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 2: is basically good. Even his quote weaponization of the Justice

991
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 2: Department to use the word the press forgot during Joe

992
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 2: Biden's presidency has a rough democratic rationale. Do unto others

993
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 2: who what was done to you and call it Even

994
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 2: Trump doesn't threaten democracy for good and ill, he has

995
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 2: a consequence of it. Martin Swain in the Wall Street Journal,

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00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 2: I know this a quote of the day. We're not

997
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 2: gonna play it. I'm just going to read it for you. Now,

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00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 2: you all know that Kamala Harris is trying to do

999
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 2: this book tour. It's better, it's better disaster. I mean

1000
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 2: she can't. I honestly think Judge Joe Brown had it right.

1001
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 2: We played this quote back in twenty twenty four in

1002
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 2: the show He's the TV judge Joe Brown's half nuts himself,

1003
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 2: but he says Kamala Harris is in early onset dementia.

1004
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 2: I honestly think that's daddy. There's no way she was

1005
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 2: this inarticulate when she was thirty years old. It just

1006
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 2: thinks she can't be anyway. She was on Kara Swisher's podcast.

1007
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 2: If you don't know what Kara Swisher is like, she's

1008
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 2: the left's version of a successful podcast. It isn't that successful,

1009
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 2: but it's like one of the better ones they have.

1010
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris said she may have been the most qualified

1011
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 2: presidential candidate ever. No, there's actually aside from how laughable

1012
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 2: that all is, there's actually a teaching moment in this.

1013
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 2: In Kamala's mind, addled as it is, she counts resume

1014
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Speaker 2: and she's had gigs. You know, she's the Attorney general

1015
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 2: of California's a senator of the United States, a vice

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Speaker 2: president of the United States. Rather than ability. It's a

1017
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 2: huge distinction in our world. It's one of the things

1018
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 2: that led to all of these utter incompetence using DEI

1019
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 2: to move themselves up the ladder. Okay, they had all

1020
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Speaker 2: these things in their resume. Having done all these things

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Speaker 2: may or may not be indicative of whether or not

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Speaker 2: you'll be any good at something. It's a big story

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Speaker 2: with Joe Burrow, he worked with this guy, He worked

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1029
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Speaker 2: this is always the case. On the Thursday podcast, we

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Speaker 2: end with our weekly football preview and some point spread picks,

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Speaker 2: call up and ask what that thing is, nobody's going

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Speaker 2: That's he clearly is using my age there. All right,

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Speaker 2: let's get going with today's football preview. I think we

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Speaker 2: have to start with the situation with Wisconsin. Everything with

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Speaker 2: Wisconsin football program right now just seems to me to

1060
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Speaker 2: be a tobacco. They have an unbelievably brutal schedule. They

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Speaker 2: play Ohio State at home this week, They've got Oregon

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Speaker 2: next week. The offense appears to be non existent. The

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01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 2: The head coach, Luke Fickle, who was as highly touted

1065
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 2: as any possible coach you could hire, seems lost. I

1066
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 2: don't even know necessarily where to start. Assuming that they

1067
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 2: lose to Ohio State and by a lot of points,

1068
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 2: what do they do, Mike? Do they fire Fickle? What

1069
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 2: do they do? What's the answer here? Because I think

1070
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 2: no one really expected, even people who thought maybe this

1071
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 2: won't work, never thought it could get to be the

1072
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 2: mess that it is. What are your thoughts on the

1073
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 2: Wisconsin program? Yeah?

1074
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 4: I was a ficklebacker. Obviously everyone was.

1075
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 2: When he was hired, he was everybody was, everybody was.

1076
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 4: It looked like a great hire. But he's just you know,

1077
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 4: they've regressed every year. They went from seven to six

1078
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 4: to five and seven and two and ten or three

1079
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 4: and nine this year, so showing no improvement. I don't

1080
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 4: think they can keep them. I mean, he's got a

1081
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 4: big buyout, twenty five ish million. I don't think they

1082
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 4: can keep them. I don't think he'll last a season.

1083
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 2: Now.

1084
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 4: He might last to the next two games Ohio State Oregon,

1085
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 4: and then they have a buye. You know, if you're

1086
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 4: gonna do it, maybe then let the interim have a

1087
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 4: couple of weeks to work with the team. So they're

1088
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 4: not winning the next two games, so that doesn't matter

1089
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 4: who they bring, you know who who takes over for them.

1090
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 4: You mentioned their offense, Mark, I mean they're averaging they're

1091
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 4: averaging less than seven points per game in the Big Ten.

1092
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 4: In the last four games against FBSIPO, they've had forty

1093
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 4: five offensive possessions, scored three offensive touchdowns their team total

1094
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 4: this week. And they're playing the best defense in the

1095
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 4: country this year. So you can wager sides totals. And

1096
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:12,920
Speaker 4: there's also.

1097
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 2: What's the prop on the Padrews being shut out? Seriously, Well,

1098
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 2: I think I don't think they'll score.

1099
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 4: No, their team total is six and a half points.

1100
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 4: Oh under, that's their team total.

1101
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 2: I mean, unless there's a pick six, I don't know

1102
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:26,920
Speaker 2: how they get over that.

1103
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 4: I agree. Ohio State's given up eight points per game

1104
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 4: this season. I'm guessing Wisconsin gets shut out two weeks in.

1105
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 4: I just don't see him scoring this weekend. So we'll see.

1106
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 4: But I think they're going to have to make a move,

1107
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 4: and it's probably going to be before the end of

1108
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 4: the season, I would guess, yeah.

1109
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 2: And I don't think firing the coach in the little

1110
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 2: of the season does any good. On the other hand,

1111
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 2: you're almost, you know, torturing Fickled by sending him out

1112
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 2: there to get pounded every week. I mean, things can

1113
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 2: always turn around. There's just no sign of it. In

1114
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 2: the meantime, fans are just more impatient than ever. I mean,

1115
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 2: when you step back a moment, the Penn State firing

1116
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 2: of James Franklin seems shocking now. Admittedly they're coming off

1117
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 2: a terrible three game stretch. They once again lost to

1118
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 2: a top team they can't he can't be good teams

1119
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 2: over there, but then lost to inferior teams two weeks

1120
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 2: in a row. And appear to be reeling. On the

1121
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 2: other hand, you know, teams have bad years every now

1122
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 2: and then. Franklin has had Penn State in the top

1123
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 2: ten pretty much as long as he's been there. It

1124
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 2: seems almost impossible that the next coach, unless the next

1125
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 2: coach wins a national championship, he can't do better than Franklin.

1126
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 2: So we're in a situation in which, you know, the

1127
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 2: if you stumble at all a little bit at any point,

1128
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 2: it's let's fire you. So that's the environment that Fickle

1129
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 2: and all of these coaches are in. I think Penn

1130
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 2: State is nuts in getting rid of Franklin. I think

1131
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 2: that they should simply swallow it. They're gonna have a

1132
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:04,120
Speaker 2: bad season, a disappointing season here, and stick with the guy,

1133
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 2: because I don't know who they would hire, who they

1134
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 2: would expect would do much better.

1135
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I agree. I mean, Franklin's record at Penn

1136
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 4: State is one hundred and four and forty five and

1137
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 4: he got canned three weeks ago. Just put in perspective,

1138
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:19,920
Speaker 4: three weeks ago, they were the number three team in

1139
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 4: the country. They led Oregon in overtime, they win that game,

1140
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 4: and there's a chance they they are number two, and

1141
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 4: they have an argument for number one at that point.

1142
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 4: The problem is, of course he's done terrible against good teams,

1143
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 4: and then the last two weeks they were twenty there

1144
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 4: were more than twenty point favorites against ucl In Northwestern

1145
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 4: lost both. That's the first team that's ever happened to

1146
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 4: him thirty years.

1147
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 2: Oh, Undeniably, the wheels have fallen off. My point is

1148
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 2: it would seem as though if you take a look

1149
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 2: at the big picture and where you're going from here,

1150
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 2: you're still better off with him coming off of this

1151
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 2: bad season than starting over with somebody else having half

1152
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 2: the team transfer and you're not going to get anybody

1153
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 2: with a better resume than Franklin. But that's the environment

1154
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 2: that Wisconsin is in. I mean, you go back in

1155
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 2: early in Barry Alvarez his career after the first Rose Bowl,

1156
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 2: they stumbled in the mid nineties before they went to

1157
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 2: the next two. I think they had two big ten

1158
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 2: losing seasons in a row in this environment. I think

1159
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 2: that Barry Alvarez could have been fired before he went

1160
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 2: on and got to the second and the third Rose Ball,

1161
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 2: all of which of course that he won. There's just

1162
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 2: like no sense I think at all of anybody looking

1163
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 2: at the big picture, and I get the whole thing

1164
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 2: with nil and college sports and so on, but it

1165
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 2: just seems to be almost a crazed situation that's going

1166
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 2: on with coaches, notwithstanding the fickle thing. I mean, unless

1167
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:51,600
Speaker 2: he somehow pulls a rabbit out of his hat, there's

1168
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 2: just no indication that it's working at all, even though

1169
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:56,120
Speaker 2: I think people would have thought that it would work.

1170
01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 2: With regard, I think we've pretty much covered the Ohio

1171
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:01,480
Speaker 2: State game. I'm actually surprise, Mike that the Badges are

1172
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 2: only a twenty five point underdog. They lost by thirty

1173
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:06,919
Speaker 2: seven points to Iowa, and I think Ohio State's twenty

1174
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 2: points better than Iowa. In my mind, the line should

1175
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 2: be forty two, don't you.

1176
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, the interesting thing in this line is it

1177
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 4: opened twenty seven and a half and it's moved down

1178
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 4: to twenty five ish. When it opened at twenty seven

1179
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 4: and a half, that's the highest point spread in the

1180
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:26,200
Speaker 4: history of the Ohio State Wisconsin game, home or away.

1181
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 4: That's the highest point since nineteen eighty, the biggest point

1182
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:33,559
Speaker 4: spread Wisconsin's ever taken as a dog against Ohio State

1183
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 4: at home. Prior to this was twenty one, so it's

1184
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 4: a huge line. But I don't disagree with you. I

1185
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 4: don't thinkco Wisconsin might not score, so Ohio State's got

1186
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:42,799
Speaker 4: to get to twenty seven.

1187
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:45,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the only thought is that Wisconsin, you know,

1188
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 2: emotion fired up, yet you know, pride kicks in. But

1189
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:51,759
Speaker 2: my retort to that is if that was going to happen,

1190
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 2: it would have been last week, correct, and not this week.

1191
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:58,599
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm getting vibes that neither of the top

1192
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:01,680
Speaker 2: two quarterbacks wants to play for the remainder of the

1193
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 2: season because they both want a red shirt. That the

1194
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 2: reason that O'Brien didn't go back into the game last

1195
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 2: week is he doesn't want to. I'm hearing that I

1196
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:12,240
Speaker 2: don't know if it's true, and that Billy Edwards has

1197
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:15,559
Speaker 2: said that I'm medical red shirting. I don't know if

1198
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:17,920
Speaker 2: any of that stuff is true. But when things are

1199
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 2: falling apart, you know, there's all sorts of leaks, most

1200
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:23,880
Speaker 2: of which aren't true. But the entire vibe that's coming

1201
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 2: out of Madison is awful, and I just suspect that

1202
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 2: it's going to be a sad situation. I just think

1203
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 2: people are going to be booing like crazy, and it's

1204
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:35,200
Speaker 2: just it's all bad. At one other college game. There

1205
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:37,320
Speaker 2: are quite a few interesting ones, but I cherry picked

1206
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 2: out one that I think is really intriguing because it's

1207
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:44,480
Speaker 2: both a big game and a sur rivalry game. Utah

1208
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 2: plays BYU. They're both in the Big Twelve. The Big

1209
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 2: Twelve is not very good this year, and Utah and

1210
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 2: BYU are at the top of the league. They're from

1211
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 2: the same state. Utah is always good and under the

1212
01:09:57,320 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 2: current coach Tataki, BYU has gotten to be really good.

1213
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 2: I believe BYU is unbeaten and Utah has a loss,

1214
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 2: yet Utah has favored in this in state game. So

1215
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 2: I just think it's an interesting game. I think it's

1216
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:11,160
Speaker 2: interesting that these two schools kind of in the middle

1217
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:16,320
Speaker 2: of nowhere have built long standing, you know, powerhouse status

1218
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:20,080
Speaker 2: really and it's such an important game in addition to

1219
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 2: the fact that they're just they're huge rivals out there.

1220
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's two teams not a lot of people

1221
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 4: talk about. But like you said, those teas because.

1222
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 2: They're from Utah, But I mean that's the only raison

1223
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 2: they're from Utah on one's a Mormon school, that people

1224
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:36,320
Speaker 2: can't figure out. And the others of state that state

1225
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:39,479
Speaker 2: of Utah is about is anonymous the states you can imagine.

1226
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 2: But I mean as long as Winningham has been there,

1227
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:43,600
Speaker 2: they've been a strong football team.

1228
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:45,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they've got one loss between them, and that

1229
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 4: was Utah against Texas Tech, who's probably a top five

1230
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 4: team in the country.

1231
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:51,720
Speaker 2: That just Tech is way better than people think. And

1232
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 2: they are proof that you can indeed use nil to

1233
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 2: buy a team. That's what they've did.

1234
01:10:58,320 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 4: That's what they did. I mean, that was our top

1235
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:01,880
Speaker 4: that was our six star play last week with Texas

1236
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 4: Tech over Kansas and it won easily. And Texas Tech

1237
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 4: lost their quarterback in the first first half in that

1238
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:10,559
Speaker 4: game too. But anyway back to this game, so two

1239
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:14,519
Speaker 4: top thirty offenses, two top twenty defenses by US one

1240
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:16,760
Speaker 4: the last two. But prior to that, Utah had won

1241
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:19,600
Speaker 4: nine straight. It is interesting that Utah's favored on the

1242
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:22,200
Speaker 4: road and they're the team with a loss. This is

1243
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 4: an underdog series if you like, you know a lot

1244
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 4: of times these type of series are underdog series. The

1245
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 4: dog is covered twenty one of the last twenty eight

1246
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 4: back to nineteen ninety three and now You're getting a

1247
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:35,479
Speaker 4: home underdog here, so that would probably we're not going

1248
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:36,880
Speaker 4: to use the game, But I don't think I could

1249
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 4: lay points on the road in this type of series.

1250
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:40,920
Speaker 4: It's just it's probably going to be a close game

1251
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 4: down to the layer.

1252
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 2: Let's turn our attention to the NFL, the Packers and

1253
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:47,599
Speaker 2: the Cardinals. This is a curious game too. The Packers,

1254
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 2: to me, to the eye test, don't look good at

1255
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:53,680
Speaker 2: all Arizona. In the meantime, the whole team is banged up.

1256
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:55,280
Speaker 2: We don't know. I don't think we know at this

1257
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:57,800
Speaker 2: point if Murray is going to play. It looks like

1258
01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 2: Harrison Junior is in the cushion protocol that he may

1259
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 2: not play. And it's not really a home game for Arizona.

1260
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 2: That place is going to be packed with Packer fans.

1261
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 2: It always is when Green Bay plays out in Arizona.

1262
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 2: Yet the Packers are favored by six and a half.

1263
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 2: In Day Boy, they struggled, at least to the eye test,

1264
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:18,640
Speaker 2: they struggled against Cincinnati, and Arizona's way better than Cincinnati.

1265
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:20,559
Speaker 2: What do you make of this game? And should the

1266
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:23,679
Speaker 2: Packers be favored by nearly a touchdown even with injuries

1267
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 2: to Arizona.

1268
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's a little bit high. You know,

1269
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:30,880
Speaker 4: if I'm Arizona after last week, I'd rather have Brissett

1270
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:33,360
Speaker 4: a quarterback anyway. The way he played last week, they

1271
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 4: had four hundred yards twenty seven points. Last week they

1272
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:39,559
Speaker 4: lost by four at Indianapolis. That's the most yardage they've

1273
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 4: had this year. In fact, with Murray at quarterback, and

1274
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 4: four of their first five games they didn't even get

1275
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 4: to three hundred yards. And they had four hundred yards

1276
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 4: last week and Brissett through for three hundred and twenty yards.

1277
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 2: Does that seem like Kyler Murray is a guy whose

1278
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 2: rookie season was his best year.

1279
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, don't. I don't think he's a great quarterback.

1280
01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:57,760
Speaker 4: I think he's okay. I think he's middle of the

1281
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 4: pack average. And that's just the way I agree with you.

1282
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:03,559
Speaker 4: On green Bay last week, I was shocked the Bengals

1283
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:05,559
Speaker 4: scored eighteen points in that game, all in the second

1284
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 4: half with Flacco had barely been with the team. Their

1285
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 4: playbick was limited, and they were moving the ball decent

1286
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 4: the second half. I wasn't impressed with green Bay last week.

1287
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:17,439
Speaker 4: Even though they won, they outgained them pretty badly. But

1288
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 4: one thing about Arizona. All their games are close. Every game.

1289
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 4: All six games they're two and four. All six games

1290
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:26,720
Speaker 4: been decided by seven points or less. And here's a

1291
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:29,800
Speaker 4: big thing about Green Bay mark they have two takeaways

1292
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 4: this year on defense, the Jets only have one.

1293
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:35,760
Speaker 2: I mean, what happened to Xavier McKinney missed the interception?

1294
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:37,640
Speaker 2: I mean I didn't even see it. I mean I

1295
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:39,320
Speaker 2: see him running, I see the number, I see him

1296
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:41,000
Speaker 2: running a round note there, but I never see him

1297
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,760
Speaker 2: involved in any plays. I mean he seems to have

1298
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:46,040
Speaker 2: vanished from the defense.

1299
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, and turnover margins such a huge thing. They're lucky

1300
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:51,599
Speaker 4: they only have three turnovers this year. Otherwise they wouldn't

1301
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:53,360
Speaker 4: have a three to one in one record because they're

1302
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:56,040
Speaker 4: not taking the ball away. They have to change that soon.

1303
01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:59,559
Speaker 2: I think one other game in the NFL, and again

1304
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 2: there's a lot of interesting ones, but the one I

1305
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 2: grabbed is the Eagles and the Vikings Philadelphia. You know,

1306
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:10,599
Speaker 2: super Bowl losers usually fall apart the following season. Kansas

1307
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 2: City isn't, but the Eagles of the Super Bowl winner,

1308
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 2: and they've looked really bad in several games. And then

1309
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 2: there's the Vikings, who they don't know who their quarterbacks

1310
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 2: should be. Should it be McCarthy, should it be Carson

1311
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 2: Wentz who's just been bloffer his entire career. Not good,

1312
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:32,000
Speaker 2: not bad. They don't have much offense somehow Philadelphia doesn't

1313
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:34,880
Speaker 2: have much offense at all. But they're both clearly still

1314
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:37,559
Speaker 2: good teams. Again, I throw the game up because I'm

1315
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:38,920
Speaker 2: not sure what to make of it. What do you

1316
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 2: make of it?

1317
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Philadelphia open in a two and a

1318
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 4: half point favorites down to one and a half. Philadelphia's

1319
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:47,599
Speaker 4: four and two, they can easily be two and four.

1320
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 2: This year they're four and two, and they look like

1321
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:51,559
Speaker 2: they're one and five again the eye tests. They just

1322
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:52,679
Speaker 2: don't look very good.

1323
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:56,719
Speaker 4: No, we've been fading for Philadelphia the last few weeks.

1324
01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:58,360
Speaker 4: With the Rams a few weeks ago, we know how

1325
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 4: that turned out, and then Denver a couple of weeks ago,

1326
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 4: we got that win. They're just not very good this year.

1327
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:06,600
Speaker 4: Their offense stinks. They ranked twenty six. They're lower and

1328
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 4: pretty much every offensive category and the one thing that's

1329
01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 4: just crazy about this team this year. Last year, they

1330
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:15,839
Speaker 4: averaged one hundred and eighty four yards per game. Rushing

1331
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:19,760
Speaker 4: second in the NFL, five yards per carry fourth. This year,

1332
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 4: they're averaging ninety five yards per game rushing and three

1333
01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:26,640
Speaker 4: point five yards per carry. Barkley is on pace for

1334
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 4: nine hundred yards this year, and he had over two

1335
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:32,480
Speaker 4: thousand last year. They can't run the ball, which is crazy.

1336
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:35,920
Speaker 4: The one thing I do like, I like Minnesota a

1337
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:37,800
Speaker 4: little bit in this game as an underdog. They're coming

1338
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:40,320
Speaker 4: off two games in Europe, but they had a bye

1339
01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:43,559
Speaker 4: last week, and they they've got a really good defense,

1340
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:46,000
Speaker 4: and they're really good as an underdog. Just going back

1341
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:48,439
Speaker 4: to like twenty twelve, they're twenty two to ten as

1342
01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 4: a home dog. All the way back to nineteen eighty,

1343
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 4: they're fifty one and thirty five as a home dog.

1344
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:55,519
Speaker 4: They're just good as a home dog. And I think

1345
01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:59,480
Speaker 4: the Eagles are vastly overrated. It's gonna be WinCE McCarthy's

1346
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:01,920
Speaker 4: still a few weeks out from what we heard, so

1347
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:03,840
Speaker 4: it's going to be once again, and I think Minnesota's

1348
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:05,200
Speaker 4: a really good chance to win that game.

1349
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:08,519
Speaker 2: Okay, it's time for some point spread precks. An before

1350
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 2: we get to this week, let's see how things worked

1351
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 2: out last week. Michael got off to a terrible start.

1352
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:15,880
Speaker 2: He's on a run. He won again two in a row. Mike,

1353
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:19,800
Speaker 2: you had the Seattle over Jacksonville, which that turned out

1354
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 2: to a pretty good pick. At the time we did

1355
01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:23,679
Speaker 2: our show. Seattle was actually still an underdog in the game,

1356
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:26,200
Speaker 2: and they beat the Jaguars by eight points, so that

1357
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:29,960
Speaker 2: was a win. Paul took Washington by five points over

1358
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 2: the Bears, and the Bears won the game. Here's the

1359
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 2: weird thing on the Bears. They have won two games

1360
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 2: in a row by the same score of twenty five

1361
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:39,519
Speaker 2: to twenty four. You might not have another twenty five

1362
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 2: to twenty four final in the NFL all year. And

1363
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:44,280
Speaker 2: the Bears have won by that exact score two weeks

1364
01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:46,960
Speaker 2: in a row. And I kind of thought I'd lose

1365
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:49,519
Speaker 2: last week, but almost won, but I didn't win. I

1366
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:51,960
Speaker 2: took East Carolina six and a half on the underdog

1367
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:54,120
Speaker 2: against Tulane and they lost by seven in the last

1368
01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:56,920
Speaker 2: minute of the game, twenty six to nineteen. So Mike

1369
01:16:56,920 --> 01:17:01,560
Speaker 2: got a win, and Paul and I yeah, you and

1370
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:04,360
Speaker 2: you and you and Mike Paul are tied for second place.

1371
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 2: I remember there's only three of us this year, so

1372
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 2: second place. Both sounds good and bad. All right, that's

1373
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:15,559
Speaker 2: where we were. Let's get some little disorganized here, but

1374
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:18,639
Speaker 2: I'll get myself together any second. No, Paul, you get

1375
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:23,120
Speaker 2: to go first point spreads for this weekend's games. He's

1376
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:27,439
Speaker 2: gonna start with the Giants at the Broncos. All right,

1377
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 2: here it is that game's in Denver, Denver favored by seven,

1378
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:42,240
Speaker 2: the Vikings and the Eagles. That one's moved. We use

1379
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:45,679
Speaker 2: scores and odds and I just credited and what they

1380
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:50,759
Speaker 2: have as the line is Eagles by one and a half.

1381
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 2: That's gone down and it might continue to go down.

1382
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:55,240
Speaker 2: But at the moment we do this, Philadelphia on the

1383
01:17:55,280 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 2: road is favored by one and a half. Paul is

1384
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 2: going to take the Vikings. I agree with you. You

1385
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:05,639
Speaker 2: can look at three things. You can look at records,

1386
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:07,640
Speaker 2: you can look at stats. You can look at the eyeballs,

1387
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:10,960
Speaker 2: and in particularly the eyeballs. To me, Philadelphia doesn't look

1388
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:15,639
Speaker 2: any good. That can change. Teams change on a dime.

1389
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:18,280
Speaker 2: But I agree with Paul on this. Paul, you just

1390
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:20,280
Speaker 2: said all the reasons Mike mentioned. We would have Mike

1391
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:21,960
Speaker 2: discuss it again because we just went through the game.

1392
01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:29,080
Speaker 2: Is there a reason the home field advantage he cites. Yeah,

1393
01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:33,400
Speaker 2: I just I just no, Carson Wentz isn't bad. He's

1394
01:18:33,439 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 2: as I said, he's blah, he's exactly black. Carson Wentz

1395
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:41,519
Speaker 2: is if you created a generic NFL quarterback, that that's

1396
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:44,559
Speaker 2: what he is. I think he's Yeah, he's in that category.

1397
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:47,960
Speaker 2: All right, that's Paul's pick. He takes the Vikings to

1398
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 2: either win or lose by one or less. Mike, where

1399
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:50,880
Speaker 2: do you want to go?

1400
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:55,479
Speaker 4: Let's let's first just check the line on the game.

1401
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 4: We talked about Ohio State Wisconsin.

1402
01:18:57,600 --> 01:18:59,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, I saw it's twenty five and a half.

1403
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:06,120
Speaker 2: To dig it up. I think it's somewhere for the end,

1404
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:07,800
Speaker 2: isn't it? Three?

1405
01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 4: Is the game there?

1406
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 2: Yeah? Twenty five and a half Ohio State on the road.

1407
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:19,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm going to take Ohio State. I hate going

1408
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:22,280
Speaker 4: against Wisconsin, but I've watched them every game this year,

1409
01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:24,680
Speaker 4: and we talked about it. They're gonna they might not

1410
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:27,040
Speaker 4: score in the game. And actually, if they got to seven,

1411
01:19:27,080 --> 01:19:31,080
Speaker 4: I'd be shocked. So Ohio State gets to twenty seven,

1412
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:33,599
Speaker 4: they might cover. If they get to the mid thirties,

1413
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:36,000
Speaker 4: I think they cover for sure, and maybe the mid

1414
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:39,880
Speaker 4: thirties and pretty much every game except Texas.

1415
01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 2: I just you know, Scott's defense has been decent this year,

1416
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:47,120
Speaker 2: but they gave up thirty seven to Iowa, and Ohio

1417
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:51,479
Speaker 2: State's offense is better than Iowa's and the defenses, if anything,

1418
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:54,759
Speaker 2: are comparable. Ohio State's probably better. I just think there's

1419
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:56,840
Speaker 2: no reason to disagree with that pick, and I agree

1420
01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 2: with it as well. And I thought about using that game.

1421
01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 2: I'm going to take a game instead in the NFL.

1422
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:04,759
Speaker 2: I'm going to let me get the correct points spread

1423
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:13,920
Speaker 2: on my game here. It's a good one. Yeah. The

1424
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:17,160
Speaker 2: weird thing is it's going down, which surprises me. The

1425
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:19,680
Speaker 2: Saints at the Bears. The Bears are favored before and

1426
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:22,160
Speaker 2: a half at home, and I know the Bears keep

1427
01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:24,160
Speaker 2: winning by one point. I think they're going to win

1428
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:26,640
Speaker 2: by five or more. New Orleans has turned out to

1429
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:28,840
Speaker 2: be not as putrid as people thought that they were

1430
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:31,679
Speaker 2: going to be. But the Bears are just improving. I mean,

1431
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:35,760
Speaker 2: the Ben Johnson offense with Caleb Williams at quarterback is

1432
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:39,120
Speaker 2: starting to work. They just outplayed Washington. They're scoring a

1433
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 2: lot of points. Their defense isn't bad. New Orleans. You

1434
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 2: know they're lost to New England doesn't look that bad

1435
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 2: because New England might be the most improved team in

1436
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 2: the NFL this year. I just think that there's a

1437
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:54,920
Speaker 2: significant difference between the two, and I think that the

1438
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:58,080
Speaker 2: Bears are an ascended team right now, as we all

1439
01:20:58,160 --> 01:21:00,840
Speaker 2: kind of feared that they would be. I probably knows

1440
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 2: why this is, but that line was five and a half.

1441
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:04,639
Speaker 2: That it was five and no, I was I just glanced.

1442
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:06,680
Speaker 2: We just prended this off, and again we use a

1443
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:09,240
Speaker 2: consensus service, it says four and a half. Is there

1444
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:12,960
Speaker 2: any reason that I'm not aware of as to why

1445
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 2: action seems to be moving toward New Orleans? Because I

1446
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:18,880
Speaker 2: think that the Bears can win this game by ten or.

1447
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:24,200
Speaker 4: More just money, and there's no there's no injuries or anything.

1448
01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:25,920
Speaker 4: I think it's the fact that, you know, Chicago's been

1449
01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:27,600
Speaker 4: an underdog in every game this year, and all of

1450
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:31,000
Speaker 4: a sudden their favorite by almost touchdown. New Orleans has

1451
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:34,760
Speaker 4: played every team fairly close, with the exception of at Seattle.

1452
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:39,880
Speaker 4: People are nervous Land that much with Chicago, would be

1453
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:42,320
Speaker 4: my guest. The money is coming in on New Orleans

1454
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:44,639
Speaker 4: for sure in this game right now, So that's why

1455
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 4: the line's dropping. I don't. I don't like the game

1456
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:51,120
Speaker 4: either way. I'd be nervous land money with Chicago. But

1457
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:53,519
Speaker 4: New Orleans has played you know, they've played pretty good

1458
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:55,479
Speaker 4: at home. They've had a they've had one stinker on

1459
01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:57,639
Speaker 4: the road, but they've been better than most people think.

1460
01:21:57,720 --> 01:21:59,640
Speaker 2: That's what I said, that they're not as bad as

1461
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:02,479
Speaker 2: people thought. People thought they might be the worst team

1462
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:05,120
Speaker 2: in the NFL. But just because they're better than people think,

1463
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:07,880
Speaker 2: I don't think means that they're good. I don't think

1464
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:10,800
Speaker 2: that they're very good. I also think, you know, perceptions.

1465
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:14,320
Speaker 2: The Bears lost in Week two to Detroit and gave

1466
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:17,360
Speaker 2: up fifty two points, and it looked like, oh, here

1467
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:19,320
Speaker 2: we go. But the fact of the matter is since

1468
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:22,200
Speaker 2: that game, they've been very good. They came back the

1469
01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:24,880
Speaker 2: following week and beat Dallas thirty one to fourteen. If

1470
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:27,519
Speaker 2: you know any about Dallas, they're not a very good team,

1471
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:30,120
Speaker 2: but they have a great offense. They held into fourteen,

1472
01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:32,040
Speaker 2: and then they went off on this winning streak, the

1473
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:34,439
Speaker 2: weird one with a by wrap between two games on

1474
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:36,599
Speaker 2: the road. They went out to the Raiders, who are

1475
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:39,559
Speaker 2: you know? OK? Twenty five to twenty four, and then

1476
01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:43,080
Speaker 2: at Washington with Daniels back, they beat them twenty five

1477
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:46,639
Speaker 2: to twenty four. So I think if you and remember

1478
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:49,320
Speaker 2: their Week one loss to Minnesota, they had that game one,

1479
01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:52,000
Speaker 2: they just gave it away at the end of the game.

1480
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:54,479
Speaker 2: You throw out the Detroit game. Chicago is a pretty

1481
01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:57,479
Speaker 2: good team, and it gives me no great, you know,

1482
01:22:57,640 --> 01:23:00,160
Speaker 2: good feeling to pick the Bears to do anything. But

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Speaker 2: I think I have a good pick on the game. Paul,

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Speaker 2: what do you think of that pick? Yeah, Paul, of

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Speaker 2: a resort, we'll recap everybody's picks. Remember, Mike and ASA

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Speaker 2: have that thirty five percent discount, and again you have

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Speaker 2: to put in their discount code mark thirty five. The

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Speaker 2: mark comes from the star of this program me. Let's

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Speaker 2: see the picks. Paul says, Oh, look at the wrong one.

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Speaker 2: Here we go. Paul says to take the Vikings over

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Speaker 2: the Eagles, meaning he needs them either to win or

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Speaker 2: lose by one or less or tie. Obviously, Mike says,

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Speaker 2: Ohio State beats Wisconsin by twenty six or more. Maybe

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Speaker 2: all of us in Wisconsin are just too blinded by

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Speaker 2: the negativity of the Badgers. But I clearly agree with

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Speaker 2: that pick, and I take the Bears to beat the

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Speaker 2: Saints by five or more. Next podcast will be released

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Speaker 2: on Monday, and we do the football preview and selections

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Speaker 2: on each Thursday podcast Talk Too Soon.

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