1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: May takes one more snap camera, Cruz sprinting out to 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: the middle of the field, Mike Vrabel hugging his players, 3 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: He embraces Sean Payton, also Zach Allen and others, and 4 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: the Patriots have come to Denver and they have found 5 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: a way, in tough conditions to beat the Broncos in 6 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: the AFC Championship game by a final score of ten 7 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: to seven. 8 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 2: Yep, And that is how it ended last night, courtesy 9 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 2: of Dave like coach Dave, good to see how are 10 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 2: you good? 11 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 3: Good to see you too? Right? Yep? 12 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 2: Nick Ferus in his studio again. You know, last night 13 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 2: with Broncos react. It was sort of interesting because you 14 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 2: have certainly a section of fans that are very, very angry, 15 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 2: understanding that the opportunity was right there. And then you 16 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 2: have another section of fans that have a big picture 17 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 2: of you and say, well, I really like what the 18 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 2: team was able to accomplish this year, and I feel 19 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 2: like we're building towards something, And I think both things 20 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 2: can be true. Dave, now that we've had a little 21 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 2: less twenty four hours to think about it, what side 22 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 2: do you fall on? 23 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,479 Speaker 1: Well, first of all, I'm not sure I'm gonna say 24 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: either because I don't like the premise of the question. Okay, 25 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: so I'm gonna say neither. No, I mean, I'm sort 26 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 1: of just kidding. I think that I would look at 27 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: this season as a real plus. I think the team 28 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: accomplished a great deal. They became relevant again. They I think, 29 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: have found a young guy that looks like he's going 30 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: to be a really good player quarterback, and they've got 31 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: some They've got some pieces in place that I think 32 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: they can build with and feel real good about. 33 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 3: I also. 34 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: Think that they let a golden opportunity slip away, and 35 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: there's no other way for me to sugarcoat it. I 36 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: just think they had ample opportunity to win that game. 37 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: And I'm guessing I haven't talked to I've talked to 38 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: one player, but I haven't talked to any coaches, and 39 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: all but one guy in the locker room I haven't 40 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 1: visited with. 41 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,519 Speaker 3: But I've got to think that in that locker room. 42 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,519 Speaker 1: You look at it and say, damn, I mean, we 43 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 1: had chances right here, and we just found a way 44 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 1: not to get it done. And I think I think 45 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: taking nothing away from the Patriots, They're going to the 46 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: Super Bowl the head coach first year there, and great 47 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: job by them. But I look at this game and say, 48 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: Denver lost the game more than I think the Patriots 49 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: won the game, Dave. 50 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 4: I would have concur and agree with everything that you said. 51 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 4: And as a guy sitting here right now, I know 52 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 4: exactly what that coaching staff is going through. I know 53 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 4: exactly what every single player is going through right now. 54 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 4: But more importantly, I know exactly what they were feeling 55 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 4: as they drove away from the stadium because I myself 56 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 4: twenty years ago, two thousand and six, playing the game 57 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 4: against the Pittsburgh Steelers. We lost to them in an 58 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 4: AFC championship game. And you like to think that, hey, 59 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 4: you know what, next year, we're gonna let this sink in, 60 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 4: and if you're gonna let it burn in into our memory, 61 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 4: we're gonna change everything next year. I'm gonna tell you 62 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 4: sounds great because I thought the same way. 63 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 3: But here's what happened. Coaches left. 64 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 4: Players left are a healthy roster that helped us get 65 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 4: to that AFC Championship game. 66 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 3: Guys were injured. 67 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 4: So the idea of getting back there with things being 68 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 4: the same way, No, it's not. 69 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 3: And that's the thing that makes it hurt. 70 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 4: The most, and that's the thing that's going to make 71 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 4: it sting the most, because. 72 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 3: By day, Sam, that was a precious opportunity. 73 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 4: You only get that so often, Like Tom Brady was 74 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 4: lucky that he got there like nine ten times. That's 75 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 4: not what noally happens in the NFL. They would tell 76 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 4: you that. So that was a prime opportunity that the 77 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 4: team squandered. 78 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,239 Speaker 3: And he's right, it was more. 79 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 4: About the Broncos losing that game opposed to the Patriots 80 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 4: winning the game. 81 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 2: I completely agree, and certainly that was a bit of 82 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 2: reaction last night, just for a moment on teams like 83 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 2: the Patriots and the Chiefs and the dynasty teams, the 84 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 2: ones that continually find themselves in the conversation we've been 85 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 2: talking about with the Chiefs being in what five winning. 86 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 5: Five AFC championship games or something like that in. 87 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 2: A row, I mean, how does that happen? 88 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 3: Right? 89 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 2: And it's not to say that the Broncos won't or 90 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 2: will be in the position to do that. 91 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 5: I do believe in the direction they're going. I believe 92 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 5: in bo Nicks. 93 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: I think there's a lot to be building around. But 94 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 2: at the same time to both of your points. There's 95 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 2: nothing guaranteed. But for those teams, they say somehow made 96 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 2: their own luck. They made it so that they put 97 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 2: themselves in that position despite the fact that coaches turned over, 98 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 2: players turned over. 99 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 5: Is it just the quarterback and coach? What is it? 100 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 3: Well? 101 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: I think I think the quarterback and coach play a 102 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: huge role for sure. 103 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 3: I think you have to have I think you have 104 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 3: to have a defense. I mean, the. 105 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: Chiefs weren't as good this year on defense, but there 106 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: have been in this Mahomes run, there have been a 107 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: couple of years that the Chiefs I thought were underrated 108 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: on defense. I thought they were really good on defense. 109 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: I think you have to have playmakers on offense that 110 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: are difference makers. 111 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 3: You think of when the Chiefs beat. 112 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: The forty nine Ers the first time, forty nine Ers 113 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: I thought were the better team. In fact, I picked 114 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: them to win. When the Super Bowl that year, that 115 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: game it's a boil, it down to one play, But 116 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: that game comes to a third and ten in the 117 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: fourth quarter where Patrick Mahomes buys enough time to get 118 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: a ball off and then you have Tyreek Hill running 119 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: down the field and they convert in a third and 120 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: ten they go in and score and then they ultimately 121 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: find a way to win the game. So I think 122 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: I think you have to have playmakers that are difference 123 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: makers on your roster to give yourself a chance to 124 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: really make a long run in this league, because the 125 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: league is set up so that you can't do that. 126 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 3: The league is set. 127 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 1: Up for parody the league, like next year both the 128 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: Patriots and the Broncos play a first play schedule. Well, 129 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: that's done intentionally so that you don't get back and 130 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 1: win your respective division. Again, Kansas City was able to 131 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: overcome that with that quarterback and head coach and some 132 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 1: elite playmakers and a defense that I thought was always underrated. 133 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 3: Can the Broncos duplicate that, We'll see. 134 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: I think they have some pieces in place, but I 135 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: think they have to add on to what they have 136 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:17,559 Speaker 1: or had this year. 137 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, what happens a lot of times in your right, Dave. 138 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 4: From a defensive perspective, you need guys who are game 139 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 4: records that you need one, two. 140 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:29,239 Speaker 3: Maybe even three of those guys. 141 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 4: And if you are great defensively from a personnel standpoint 142 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 4: and you developed well, you have like multiple guys like 143 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 4: that on all three levels of your defense and that 144 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 4: allows you to attack people in different ways. Now, also 145 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 4: from an offensive standpoint, you need a dude, or in 146 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 4: this case, you need a couple of dudes where defensively 147 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 4: you're like, well, how are we going to guard this 148 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 4: guy and leave this guy open? 149 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 3: Like think about the Seattle. 150 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 4: Seahawks right now, when you think about Cooper Cup. Cooper 151 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 4: Cup is not the same place, but he continued to 152 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 4: show this season that he can be mister reliable. But 153 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 4: then you have Jackson Smith and Jigbo, who is a 154 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 4: bona fide dude, a dude you have to make sure 155 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 4: defensively you know where in the hell he is on 156 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 4: every single play. This is how you build out a team, 157 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 4: a team that's going to be competitive. And Dave is right, 158 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 4: the Broncos schedule is going to be entirely different next 159 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 4: year than it is this year. And you look at 160 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 4: the Chiefs knowing as though they didn't do well, they're 161 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,559 Speaker 4: gonna be missing Patrick Maholmes, they bring back Eric the Enemy, 162 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,559 Speaker 4: Their schedule is going to be more favorable. It might 163 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 4: even look like the Patriots schedule this year. So all 164 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 4: of these factors you throw into the mix, and this 165 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 4: is why we look at the Broncos game yesterday and say, well, man, 166 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:48,839 Speaker 4: you had a golden opportunity that you allow to smith 167 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 4: through your fingers like sand. 168 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 5: Yeah, and it certainly does. 169 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 2: Now the brogress of playmakers on the defensive side of 170 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 2: the ball, I mean, I think we all can acknowledge that. 171 00:08:57,760 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 2: I mean, you have the rainy Defensive Player of the 172 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 2: Year for another week or so until NFL Honors, So 173 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 2: you have playmakers on the defensive side of the ball. 174 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 2: How many of the offensive guys would we count as 175 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 2: in that category you're talking about of every single year 176 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 2: you can bank on these players being playmakers for you? 177 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean. 178 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: I haven't thought, man thought a minute about that. But 179 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: let me I'll ask you. How many guys are you 180 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: talking about on the current roster? Yeah, guys that they. 181 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, because you were on Tyreek Hill, we knew about 182 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 2: Travis Kelce, you know, for example. 183 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: So you're saying the Broncos compared to what Kansas City 184 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: had in their heyday. 185 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 2: I'm trying to think about it in terms of the 186 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 2: Broncos in their open locker room today, even last night. 187 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 5: I mean, they're certainly depressed and upset. 188 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 2: But the mindset of how do we get back here 189 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 2: and how do you make this a thing where you 190 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 2: can build towards something consistently. You gotta add some dudes, 191 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 2: so like how many do you currently have and how 192 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 2: many do you need to add? 193 00:09:58,800 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 3: That? 194 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 5: It seems like a math equation kind of for me. Yeah, 195 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 5: maybe it's not that simple. 196 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: I mean I think I think. I mean, the Broncos haven't. 197 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: I was thinking about this today. I don't think they've 198 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: drafted an offensive tackle since Garrett. 199 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 5: That's correct, I've thought. 200 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:22,319 Speaker 1: And then I said, no, that can't be right, And 201 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: I was thinking. I was driving around thinking, but I 202 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: but yeah, I think that. I think that's accurate. So, 203 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I think there are there are a handful 204 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: of positions on the offense that would be in need 205 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 1: of fortifying. I mean, number one, what are you gonna 206 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: do with JK Dobbins Because JK Dobbins was a difference 207 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: maker with this team when JK Dobbins and I said 208 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: this yesterday in the broadcast, when JK. Dobbins got injured, 209 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: he was in the top three running backs in the 210 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: entire NFL in terms of ten plus yard runs and 211 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: when he left that sort of component of the Broncos 212 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: running attack I think diminished drastically. I mean, the reality 213 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: is they couldn't run the ball on a consistent basis. 214 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: They had some spit out runs, but you know, and 215 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: they had Bo Bo. I think Bo because of his 216 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: ability to create with his feet. You know, you sometimes 217 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: get lulled into thinking when you look at the stats, 218 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 1: the final stats. 219 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 3: Where to the Broncos. 220 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: You know, where do they sit in terms of rush 221 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: average per game? Well, that that number can be skewed 222 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: when you have a quarterback like Bo Nicks, or you 223 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: have a quarterback like Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson or 224 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: Herbert to a certain degree. So I just in calling 225 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: the games and looking at that running game, I didn't 226 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: think the running game was as good as it has 227 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: to be if they're going to be a legitimate contender, 228 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:01,599 Speaker 1: I think you have to address the tide imposition. And 229 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: I'm sure the Broncos felt like they did when they 230 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: got Evan Ingram, But for whatever reason or reasons, I 231 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: don't think that worked out the way that either side 232 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: thought it would work out. You look at wide receiver 233 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: and they had some productive play from receivers. I've said 234 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: before a number of times this year. I thought the 235 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: ball was on the ground too much for me. But 236 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: I think you have to decide what you're going to 237 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 1: do there. I mean, are you are you banking on 238 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: Troy Franklin who didn't play yesterday? Is he as Nick said, 239 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: is he a guy that's going to turn into one 240 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: of those dudes? Is Pat Bryant after his rookie season, 241 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: which he did some really good things, does he have 242 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 1: the ability to turn into one of those guys? 243 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 3: What are you doing with Court? 244 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: I think there's I think there's plenty of sort of 245 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: fodder for the Bronco to sort through in this offseason 246 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: on the offensive side alone. 247 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 5: And you certainly felt the running game in that in 248 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:07,719 Speaker 5: that one. 249 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 2: I mean you knew with weather conditions that was something 250 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 2: that was gonna matter. I was really stuck on a 251 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 2: nick after the game with Ramandri Stevenson getting twenty five 252 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 2: carries in this game and thinking about if you had 253 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 2: and you talked to it. We called him a hammerhead 254 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 2: going into the week, you said, this guy's a hammerhead. 255 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 2: He's a physical running back, but he was great in 256 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 2: pass pro when they need him to be. And the 257 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 2: fact that you could just lean on that when you're 258 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 2: the Patriots in that game. 259 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 5: Man, I just kept thinking about JK. 260 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 2: Dobbins, Like, if you could just had a guy like 261 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,839 Speaker 2: that that you could lean on for a little bit, 262 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 2: it would have made all the difference. 263 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 4: I think, say, it doesn't take me any pleasure in 264 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 4: saying what I'm about to say. I love this team, 265 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 4: I love this fan base. I'm not a fanboy, I'm 266 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 4: not a Homer. But I pointed this out early in 267 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 4: the season, that this was a fundamental issue with the team. Well, 268 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 4: I continue to hear from different people was that, hey, 269 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 4: at least they're winning the football game. And I said, well, 270 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 4: that lasts until it doesn't last. 271 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 3: And what we saw was. 272 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 4: Exactly what I've been preaching for the past couple of 273 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 4: weeks and the entire season. If you cannot run the 274 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 4: ball when you need it the most is going to 275 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 4: be a problem. And the reason I was saying that 276 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 4: is because I'm watching the film and being a former player. 277 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 3: That's I mean, I've been around Mike Shanahan. 278 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 4: I've sat down with Mike and we've talked. 279 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 3: Offense, and he's taught me a couple of things. I've 280 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 3: been around Kyle Shanahan to know that. 281 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 4: Hey, listen, if you want to help your quarterback out 282 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 4: Bowl Knicks or Jarstidham, you have to run the ball. 283 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 4: And you just can't say, well, we're gonna run the ball. No, 284 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 4: that's not gonna do it. You have to have a 285 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 4: systematic way of doing it. And what we saw in 286 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 4: the game albeit that when you look at the Patriots offense, 287 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 4: they had none. When the weather conditions rolled in, both 288 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 4: teams had problems. But like you talked about ramondre Stevens, 289 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 4: even though he rushed for the yards he rushed for, 290 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 4: he only averaged two. 291 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 3: Point eight to carry. 292 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 5: You're exactly right, two point eight to carry. 293 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, the Broncos could have done that. But I know 294 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 3: how this is. 295 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 4: And I sit here on Broncos country tonight and I 296 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 4: got a send this chair and I gotta listen to. 297 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 3: Visioning all bright blame RJ. 298 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 4: Harvey the same way people freaking blame Jevontae Williams not 299 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 4: being able to stay on track vision and explosive of 300 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 4: not being patient. 301 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 3: I say, man, damn the torpedoes with that, because that's 302 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 3: a bunch of couchips. 303 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 4: Because what I've been seeing was the same thing I 304 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 4: saw yesterday. You're not getting any movement. You gotta move 305 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 4: a guy off his spot. That wasn't happening, and there 306 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 4: was no room for RJ. 307 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 3: Harvey to find a space finding the crease. 308 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 5: Well, why was JK Dobbins having so much success early 309 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 5: in the season. 310 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 4: How many times that RJ. Harvey, I mean, excuse me, JK. 311 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 4: Dobbins have explosive runs. It was only two times this 312 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 4: year where he went over one hundred yards. One against 313 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 4: the Dallas Cowboys and that defense was ranked thirty second 314 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 4: and most of the categories on defense. Two before that 315 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 4: was against the Cincinnati Bengals. No offense to who the 316 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 4: Nation grant, but they were trash. But I still give JK. 317 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 4: Dobbins a lot of credit for being able to find space. 318 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 4: That's what he was able to do. He was able 319 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 4: to be patient, find space and then burst. He made 320 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 4: something out of nothing. But once again without JK. And 321 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 4: I know everyone was happy when they opened up the 322 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 4: practice window. Once we found out after the big teas 323 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 4: he was not going to play, everything went away. And 324 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 4: I said to Jojo on Broncos game Day, in order 325 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 4: for the Broncos to win this game, they have to 326 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 4: stay committed to the run. 327 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 3: And they have to do a great job. That didn't happen. 328 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it mean it didn't happen. And there's a 329 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 2: lot of eight. I even said this after the game. 330 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 2: There's a lot gonna be a lot of finger pointing 331 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 2: about a multitude. I know that we're gonna process a 332 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 2: lot of it over the course of not only today, 333 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 2: but this week. The fourth down and one decision, Jared 334 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 2: Siddam's trouble. 335 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 3: You know what the right answer to that? 336 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 4: And if we don't even have to talk hindsight being 337 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 4: twenty twenty, Nah, yeah, we already know what the answer 338 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 4: to that question is, don't we, Ryan, tell me answer 339 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 4: that question? What's answer to that question? 340 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 5: Ryan, it's not gonna be the answer? 341 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 3: No, no, will you give me your answer? I didn't 342 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 3: ask you to give me mine. I said give me 343 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 3: your answer. 344 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 5: In the moment, I was fine going for it. 345 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 3: I liked I was. 346 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 5: Talking to the game. 347 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 3: I don't feel about it now. 348 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 2: Well, they lost the game, so it doesn't matter. Yes, yeah, 349 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:35,719 Speaker 2: I mean at this point, but I also don't know 350 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 2: for sure that ten points would have been enough. I 351 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,880 Speaker 2: understand his mindset. It's time, but again. This is sort 352 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 2: of the points. 353 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 4: Show me if they went to the same thing fourth 354 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 4: and fourth on the sixteen with five minutes remaining. 355 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 3: Right, he decided, you know what, I got a Hall 356 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,239 Speaker 3: of Fame quarterback. He's gonna throw it to the tight end. 357 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 3: Oh but what the spoons said? 358 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 4: No no, by the way, no no, no, not in 359 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 4: my house with Dumbo, and he just knocked the pass 360 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 4: away right, you would take the point. 361 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 5: Just put my tumble on me. 362 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 3: I sure did, Yes, you could take the points. 363 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 4: Man, Come on, man, That's all I heard walking around 364 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 4: the stadium right right. 365 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 3: After the plane not get into the fourth quarter. 366 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 4: I roamed around because I wanted to get the pose 367 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 4: of the people, and I just kept hearing that Ryan. 368 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 2: Now, Dave, in fairness, Sewan has been pretty aggressive this year, 369 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 2: has any don't. 370 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 3: Bring me into this. What you guys? 371 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 5: I want to I want to ask him. I want 372 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 5: to ask him. 373 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 3: I'm just surfing the web. 374 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 5: I want to get Dave's take. 375 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 4: Dave, could you could you surf the web right into 376 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 4: this equation and tell. 377 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 3: Me, I don't you know you coach or whatever. 378 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 4: What would you have done in that particular situation? 379 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 3: Real talk? Just tell me I've already said it. I've 380 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 3: already said it. Well say it again in real time 381 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 3: so I can hear it. 382 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 1: I said it honestly during the I think it's the 383 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 1: easiest thing in the world to do second guests. So 384 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 1: if they pick up the first down and go on 385 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 1: and score, then Sean Payton is brilliant. And we're probably 386 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 1: sitting here talking about when we fly to Santa Clara 387 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: for Super Bowl sixty. 388 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 3: It didn't work out that way, and so some people. 389 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: Classic second guessers are bringing up whether he should have 390 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 1: gone for it or not. I thought at the time 391 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: I would have kicked it because and I've heard people say, well, 392 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 1: the coaching staff may not have known. I mean, the 393 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: Broncos might not have known about the weather. I promise 394 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: you this one thing I've been able to do is 395 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,679 Speaker 1: get to know Sean well enough in three years. I 396 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 1: promise you he knew that the forecast was going to 397 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 1: be dicey in the second half. Whether that knowledge affected 398 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: him in terms of going forward or not, you'd have 399 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: to ask him. I think the way my defense is 400 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: playing at the time, and Drake may looked completely overwhelmed 401 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 1: even before the game started, I would have again, And 402 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: that's not hindsight because I thought it at the time. 403 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: I'm going to go up ten to nothing, and then 404 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: my reasoning is, I'm thinking, Okay, I've got a backup 405 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: quarterback in this game. 406 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 3: I'm going to go up ten nothing. 407 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: Can I in the next two and a half quarters? 408 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 1: Can I generate a touchdown? Okay? I I think I can. 409 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: Might be hard, but I think I can. 410 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 3: If I do. 411 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 1: That means the Patriots have to score two touchdowns and 412 00:20:56,160 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 1: a field goal to tie the game. There was nothing 413 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: up to that point that led me to believe that 414 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: the Patriots were going to be able to score on 415 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 1: the Broncos defense. 416 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:13,360 Speaker 3: Period. 417 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: So that's not second guessing. 418 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 3: I mean because I you know, I said it. 419 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 1: I tried to say diplomatically in the broadcast when I 420 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: said an aggressive call here, But that's listen. That's why 421 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,959 Speaker 1: guys make eighteen nineteen twenty million dollars a year. That's 422 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: why they've won super Bowls, that's why they've been in 423 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 1: the league for a long time. That's why ownership pays 424 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: them to come change the culture of your organization. You 425 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: pay a guy to make that call, and we've seen 426 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: him make calls in the past that have been good. 427 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 3: We've seen him make calls that haven't been so good. 428 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: Sean, I think coaches nowadays should go back to their 429 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: gut instincts. Yes, more so than analytics, because I am 430 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: an analytics. 431 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 3: Brian, and you I think I can. 432 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 4: I think I can the little engine that could theory, 433 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:09,360 Speaker 4: that's what you just gave. 434 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 3: I think I. 435 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 2: Can't you you got it all figured out, now, don't 436 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 2: you do. We're off and rolling here on Monday. We'll 437 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,959 Speaker 2: right back in ka. The NFC Championship game last night 438 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 2: was sensational. You got a chance to watch that. That 439 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 2: was a blast. But of course, most of our focus 440 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 2: today is going to be on the Broncos some of 441 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 2: the decisions that happened in the game, and that's kind 442 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 2: of what sports talk radio is as we get a 443 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 2: chance to armchair quarterback all of it, whether otherwise, whether right, 444 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 2: wrong or indifferent. I mean, the fact is, like what 445 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 2: Dave said, Sean gets paid to make that call, and 446 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 2: he owned it after the fact as well as like, hey, 447 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 2: this is what I was thinking. 448 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 5: I wanted fourteen and. 449 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 2: You know I talked about it last night on the 450 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 2: show because because I'll be honest in a moment I 451 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 2: was I was fine with the I didn't like the 452 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 2: play call, but I was fine with the intention behind 453 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 2: going for because the tilt of the field was very 454 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 2: much in favor of the Broncos at the time. 455 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 5: They had a lot of momentum. 456 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,959 Speaker 2: Now you risk giving momentum back to your opponent if 457 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 2: you don't get it. 458 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 5: By the way, the Patriots also went for on fourth one. 459 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,400 Speaker 2: I'm still not sure they got their fourth and one 460 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 2: quarterback sneak. Either way, a quarterback sneak is a better 461 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 2: call under those circumstances, just saying, and I think if 462 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 2: Bonix is in there, you probably do call quarterback sneak 463 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 2: under the circumstances. 464 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 3: You know why that's a better call. 465 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 4: Because I was standing in the press box when there 466 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 4: was conversation like, oh. 467 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 3: No, no, no, he didn't get that. See see, I said, 468 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 3: here's the problem. 469 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 4: See, when you make that call, you have all those 470 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 4: bodies you don't really know watching from home, but the 471 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 4: fishes on the field once they say it's a first down. 472 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 4: Even though Sean Payton was in his right to go 473 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 4: ahead and challenge the play, right, because you don't just 474 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:48,919 Speaker 4: let something. 475 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 3: Like that just go. 476 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 4: But I already knew that they were not going to 477 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 4: overturn it, because you needed decisive information to overturn it, 478 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,360 Speaker 4: and there was none, not a single one. So that's 479 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 4: why if you're going to do it on the fourth 480 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 4: and one situation, that is what you do well. 481 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 2: And again, if Bonix is in the game, maybe it 482 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 2: is a bit of a different approach to fourth and one. 483 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 3: And if I could would have should it. 484 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 4: Well. 485 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like over the course of the season, 486 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 2: when he got aggressive on fourth and one, it was 487 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 2: Bonix with a quarterback sneak. Most of the time they 488 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 2: did some fullback dives sometimes. 489 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 4: Them as a big guy. I mean, he's been in 490 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 4: his office for a while. Why not give him an opportunity. 491 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 4: It's fourth and one. 492 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,880 Speaker 2: I hear you, I hear you. Did you think, hey, 493 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 2: by the way, Dave, I mean, in the moment or otherwise? 494 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 2: Did you what did you think of Drake May's quarterback 495 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 2: sneak and the decision to challenge there? 496 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 1: I did not, honestly from the drone copy which I 497 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 1: think Sean referenced when he decided to appeal it, I 498 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 1: didn't think there was any way he got it same. 499 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 1: I honestly from the drone copy. I mean, you can't 500 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: tell listen it was I think at that point it 501 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 1: was snowing. It got to the point I couldn't even 502 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: see I couldn't see any numbers on the field. Ash 503 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: marks were gone, the yard lines were gone. I mean, 504 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: it was just me trying to estimate and then count 505 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: back from where I thought the goal line was counting five, ten, fifteen, 506 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: twenty yard that's got to be about the twenty three. 507 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: But when I saw the quarterback sneak from my vantage 508 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 1: point without looking at replay, It's like, well, that's just 509 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 1: a massive humanity and that's going to depend on the spot. 510 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: Then I saw the drone copy and I'm like, oh, 511 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,479 Speaker 1: hell no. 512 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 3: No, he did not get that Broncos is going to 513 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 3: stop him here. So I think. 514 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 1: I think at that point Nick is right, but Sean 515 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 1: had to challenge it. Nick is right in that more 516 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: than likely, in that sea of bodies, you're not, especially 517 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 1: with the weather conditions, you're not going to have some 518 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: sort of clear cut evidence that is enough to overturn 519 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,919 Speaker 1: the call him field, which was first down New England. 520 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: And they made that call quickly too, right, So, and 521 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 1: I think to your point, about the call and fourth 522 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 1: down and won for the Broncos. They they and Sean 523 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,880 Speaker 1: I believe alluded to this in the postgame press conference. 524 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 1: They had they had a run called that, in hindsight, 525 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: probably would have been better. 526 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 3: That's the issue. 527 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 1: That's the issue of the running game without JK. Dobbins 528 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 1: for the most part this year, it's fourth down in 529 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: the yard. 530 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 531 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:42,679 Speaker 1: I mean, it's more of the Patriots' personality when they 532 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: bring the you know, defensive linemen in as a full 533 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: back and they bring an extra tied end in and 534 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: they load up and they just try to bang it 535 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: up in there. But there are times where I think 536 00:26:55,520 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: you can outthink yourself, even as a really smart offensive coach. 537 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: And that play that was called, I think was the 538 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: play that the Broncos ran against Kansas City on the road, 539 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 1: where Bow continued to roll out and then Harvey in 540 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 1: the back of the end zone uncovered enough stepping back 541 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: to his right. Both threw it touchdown, and that was 542 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: the touchdown that gave the Broncos the lead in the 543 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 1: fourth quarter and ultimately they hung on. 544 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 3: It's the same play. 545 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: It's a play that is best run when you get 546 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: man coverage and evidently, this is a guest of mine, 547 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: the Patriots play a lot of man coverage when it 548 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: gets down in that area the field, and or third 549 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: down and short or fourth down in short. 550 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 3: I don't know that for a fact, that would. 551 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 1: Be my guess, and so I think the play call 552 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: made was anticipating that it was man coverage. The single 553 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 1: biggest problem with the play right before the snap the 554 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: Patriots defensive line, if you go back and look at it, 555 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:09,199 Speaker 1: they stem, they kick down, and so I don't know 556 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: whether it created some confusion upfront, but I do know this, 557 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 1: you're not supposed to in that scheme turn completely loose. 558 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: Whether you call him a defensive inner, defensive tackle. But 559 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: he came inside the inn man the line of scrimmage, 560 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 1: and nobody touched him. So by the time you've got 561 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: Stidham reversing out and you've got R. J. 562 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 3: Harvey running, we just call the flat the flat shoot. 563 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: And then Stidham turns around, he's got I can't remember 564 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: the number, he's got that guy right in his face. 565 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: That can't be the way to play is designed. So 566 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: we can we can take issue with whether or not 567 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: you would have kicked it or gone forward. Then You 568 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: can take issue with the play select or not, but 569 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: the reality is the execution of the play was not 570 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: where it should be. Upfront, all a sudden, here's something. 571 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 4: Interesting about the play. I'm glad you brought that up. 572 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 4: That is a play that you used to attack man coverage. 573 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 4: Remember when the Broncos played the Houston Texans and they 574 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 4: got to R. J. 575 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 3: Harvey out on a rail route. It was a similar thing. 576 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 4: Cortland Sun was a receiver and a minus split inside 577 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 4: the numbers. That's what I mean by minus split, and 578 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 4: they used Cortland to attack the linebacker and coverage on R. J. 579 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 3: Harvey. Yep, But this time you gotta tip your. 580 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 4: Cap to the secondary of the Patriots because their corner. 581 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 4: I don't remember his number right now, that might have 582 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 4: been number twenty one. 583 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 3: But he made a hell of. 584 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 4: A play because instead of being Courtland, it was Lejordan Humphrey. 585 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 4: Because what they ran was a simple concept, like we 586 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 4: call it dragons, it's slat flats, right, But instead of 587 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 4: running the kind of slant what you saw from the 588 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 4: Jordan Humphrey he ran a curl, but he didn't get 589 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 4: off the jam right away, so it gave the corner, 590 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 4: an opportunity to see the play coming. As you saw 591 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 4: Stidham rolled out to his side and the running back. 592 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 3: Going to the flat. 593 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 4: Because he made the play, he almost intercepted the pass right, 594 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 4: So kudos to him playing with vision known as though 595 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 4: he was in man coverage. See, I don't think he was. 596 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 4: We don't think he was in man coverage. No, you 597 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 4: think he was playing get some kind of soft zone. 598 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 1: Yep. 599 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 3: Well that's that's why I think he's sitting right there. 600 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 4: He jammed the Jordan Humphrey, and Humphrey was slow getting 601 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 4: off of that play. 602 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 3: But well let's go. We'll go back and look at it. Yeah, 603 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 3: during the break and we'll see. 604 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: But I think I think they ran zone at a 605 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: time that maybe the Broncos thought they were going to 606 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: be locked up. Patriots crowded the line of scrimmage. They 607 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: run a design role instead of in trouble throws on 608 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: the right and the ball will be incomplete. 609 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 3: Patriots had great penetration. 610 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: Stid Him rolled out, nobody was opened through the ball. 611 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: It was almost intercepted, but it would have been picked 612 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: off by Craig Woodson at about the line of scrimmage. 613 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 3: Again, whether or not you like to call or not 614 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 3: the Patriots. 615 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: As I mentioned at the start of the show, they 616 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: stemmed right before the snap, and so there's a defensive 617 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: lineman that has turned completely loose to the playside role. 618 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 3: Right. 619 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: I mean, the play cannot be designed like that. I'm 620 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: not in on the play designed, but I've seen enough 621 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: plays to know that it can't be. 622 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 3: It was not. 623 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: Blocked properly to the play side of the offensive line. 624 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 2: So is that one of those moments where if bon 625 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 2: Nicks was playing And I know this is the IFFs 626 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 2: and alternate realities, but if Bonix is playing, maybe he 627 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 2: recognizes No. 628 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: No, I mean, I'm not going to say that, because 629 00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: I think Stidham is a really smart player. 630 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 3: I think bo Nix is in. 631 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: As you said, maybe they run sneak, you know, they 632 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: they had been very good in that what I call, uh, 633 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 1: that drawn out cadence that Nicks and that's a Sean 634 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: thing that Nicks has run to where the cadence is 635 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: drawn out, and so the offensive line can anticipate that 636 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: snap and get a little bit of a head start. 637 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: I yeah, I just don't. I don't think that we 638 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 1: can put that on stead of them to check out 639 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: of it. I mean it could have it could have been. 640 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: I mean not every play in on a on a 641 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: play chart during the game, do you have the ability 642 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: to check out of right? Some of them like are 643 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: what we call stay with it. That means stay your 644 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: ass with it. So I don't know, I don't think so. 645 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 3: So it's more like pad white D white D. 646 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 4: And kind of like what Dave's talking about, kind of 647 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 4: stretched that out because when you go back and look. 648 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: At that play, you're talking about the quarterback sneak, yes. 649 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 4: Like you know on a quarterback, cause they kind of 650 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 4: draw things out. 651 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: No, I'm talking about the cadence, and I can't I 652 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 1: can't duplicate it. But if you go back and TV 653 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: copies and Nick's probably ran this, I would bet this 654 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 1: year seven, eight, nine, ten times on a third down 655 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: and short fourth down to short underneath center, and you'll 656 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 1: hear him start the cadence and then he will say 657 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 1: what one. 658 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 3: How two. 659 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: In that sort of sort of rhythm, and again they 660 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: work on it. They've done it a lot the last 661 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: couple of years. But I thought that's what Stitty was 662 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: gonna do. Frankly, when he got underneath center, I said, here, 663 00:33:59,400 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 1: here we come. 664 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 3: He trying to draw him off side. 665 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 1: Nope, just to you know, it allows your offensive lineman 666 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: to get about that. And I'm holding my index finger 667 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 1: about an eighth of an inch away from my thumb. 668 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: Get they get that much of a head start to 669 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 1: jump out and to get into their guys on the sneak. 670 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:19,839 Speaker 4: Because if you look at that play, as we looked 671 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 4: at it during a break, it just seemed like they 672 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 4: were prepared for the quarterback sneak. It looked like they were. 673 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 4: They did condense for sure, because as soon as the 674 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 4: ball was snapped immediately there was penetration to the left 675 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:37,720 Speaker 4: side of the center right now, and when Stidham turned 676 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 4: his bat, and as soon as he's turned his back 677 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 4: he looked around, there were two large men with white 678 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 4: jerseys on in his face. So right there he was 679 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 4: pressured and as we would say, he got shook in 680 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 4: that particular situation. So maybe bo side arms that to 681 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,319 Speaker 4: get there now too, hell like, that's a hell. 682 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,360 Speaker 3: No, I'm trying to throw a hell there for you. 683 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 3: You need for Ryan. It's not for me. This is 684 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 3: for this is for Ryan. For me, He's for you. 685 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: There was nobody open on the play. I don't think 686 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: it was steady getting shook a lick. 687 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:13,919 Speaker 3: You don't think so when they got. 688 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 4: As soon as he turned around, well, no, he was. 689 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,240 Speaker 3: He was about he was about to get sacked. 690 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: What I'm saying is he could have side armed it 691 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 1: or swallowed it and. 692 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,320 Speaker 3: Pootered it out of his pooter hole. It wouldn't have mattered. 693 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,880 Speaker 3: There was nobody open to throw the ball to. 694 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 4: I've never heard that before. Pooter hole, pooter hole, yes, 695 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 4: never heard that before. You never heard like, but when 696 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,320 Speaker 4: a guy gets a little anxious before a game. 697 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:38,800 Speaker 3: You couldn't. You couldn't. 698 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 1: He's so tight you couldn't drive a nail up his 699 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 1: pooter hole with a jackhammer. 700 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,319 Speaker 3: Never heard it. Just think about it. Let it soak him. Yes, well, 701 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:53,240 Speaker 3: same thing. Pooter hole y sphincter, Yes, pooter hole factor 702 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 3: p HL. There you go.