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Speaker 4: he steps down as the Steelers head coach after nineteen years.

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Speaker 4: I am one of those people who think that this

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Speaker 4: what he accomplished here. We had meaningful football all nineteen

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Speaker 4: I certainly am not celebrating that Mike Tomlin's gone. Who

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Speaker 4: It's gonna be a rough road ahead. This doesn't just

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Speaker 4: But that's just because he had great belief in players,

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Speaker 6: Be like, oh man, what's up? Like he was He's

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Speaker 6: You'd be like, oh Jesus quiet, yeah, right, Coach Tomlin was.

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Speaker 6: And the idea here, the one thing I want to

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Maggie May, you could make a country song pretty easily.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, oh what year. Oh just google Rod Stewart Brett

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Speaker 8: Out of there also with a shag haircut.

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Speaker 4: All I know is, you know, he essentially took over

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Speaker 4: In appreciation of what Mike Tomlin did here, you played

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Speaker 4: Charlie Batch from the Steelers Audio netwhere Charlie, thanks as always, Buddy,

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Speaker 5: Man, we'll see him. We got a lot more to come.

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Speaker 4: Merrill Hodge, Rob King, Jeremy Fowler, who broke the story

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Speaker 4: latest on what happens now.

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Speaker 5: Art Rooney's gonna speak with the media today, Mike just.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, he's gonna speak, and then he's gonna get out

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Speaker 11: The only thing holding them back was Tomlin, that's it.

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Speaker 11: They should have done this ten years ago.

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Speaker 4: There are a lot of people who think that. You know,

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Speaker 5: No doubt about it.

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Speaker 11: The news of Mike Thomlins's resignation breaking mid afternoon yesterday,

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Speaker 1: So is he a candidate here?

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Speaker 12: Holy shit, Mike, wouldn't that be awesome? Only if John

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Speaker 3: Good for Mike. Yeah, I don't know, talk to him.

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Speaker 3: Do you imagine?

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Speaker 5: Zach Taylor's getting Mike Tomlin.

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Speaker 4: Expectations get set high, you don't get back there. People

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Speaker 4: So at any rate with Mike Tomlin, I don't think

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Speaker 9: Yeh.

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Speaker 4: Still though, when he returns to coaching, because I don't

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Speaker 4: think there's any doubt he's going to and is if

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Speaker 4: the reports are true, Tad apparently it has to be

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Speaker 4: warm weather.

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Speaker 5: He's he's gotten very dainty in his demands. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 5: it's critical.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up

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Speaker 4: in Tampa in two years.

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Speaker 5: That's where he started.

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Speaker 4: I could see him going right back there, and that

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Speaker 4: if there was any truth to the warm weather demand,

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Speaker 4: it would fit that bill too.

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Speaker 5: But I don't think he's going to be coaching next year.

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Speaker 4: I genuinely think he's burnt and wants a little bit

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Speaker 4: of a break here and refresh, recharge and get back

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Speaker 4: at it. And also to the whole point of this,

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Speaker 4: the money will be insane when he comes back, so

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Speaker 4: giving up this fifty doesn't matter.

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Speaker 11: Included in Mike Tomlins's statement released yesterday, quote, I want

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Speaker 11: to thank Steeler Nation. Your passion, loyalty, and high expectations

463
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Speaker 11: represent what makes this franchise truly special. Coaching in Pittsburgh

464
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Speaker 11: is unlike anywhere else, and I will always take great

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Speaker 11: pride in having been a steward of this team. Well,

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Speaker 11: this chapter comes to a close, my respect and love

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Speaker 11: for the Pittsburgh Steelers will never change. I'm excited for

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Speaker 11: what the future holds for this organization, and I will

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Speaker 11: forever be grateful for my time coaching in Pittsburgh. I

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Speaker 11: think when his history is written here, the reason there

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Speaker 11: wasn't more success, the reason there wasn't ultimate success is

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Speaker 11: the player evaluation component.

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Speaker 3: As he might, I.

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Speaker 4: Think that's the first thing, and the second thing is

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Speaker 4: his reluctance to allow for coordinators to be independent and

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Speaker 4: people who have had success.

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Speaker 5: You and I disagree on this.

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Speaker 4: I always think his lack of a coaching tree is

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Speaker 4: an indictment.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm not.

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Speaker 11: Saying you don't have good coaches. I'm just saying maybe

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Speaker 11: you need better coaches.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but Randy Fiekner.

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Speaker 4: You know, I think the best coaches he had are

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Speaker 4: the ones he inherited when he got on the job,

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Speaker 4: and the fall off after was precipitous, and I don't

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Speaker 4: think that's a coincidence with the lack of postseason success.

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Speaker 11: Although one of the reasons he got the job was

489
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Speaker 11: he was in agreement to keep Lebau Dick Lebau on

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Speaker 11: his defensive coordinator and Bruce Arians and this was a

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Speaker 11: defensive coach. Yes, who to have a legendary defensive coach

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Speaker 11: stay on his staff. So, you know, maybe just made

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Speaker 11: some wrong decisions there. I don't think he wanted bad coaches,

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Speaker 11: and I.

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Speaker 5: Don't think no.

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Speaker 4: I think he wanted to be in control, is my point. Well,

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Speaker 4: that certainly does not make him exclusive in the NFL

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Speaker 4: head coach.

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Speaker 3: I know that.

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Speaker 4: But that I think was he was stirring too many pots.

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Speaker 4: Maybe a couple other arguments I'd like to shoot down.

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Speaker 11: The idea that he had an outdated philosophy always made

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Speaker 11: me laugh. You know, he wants to run the ball

504
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Speaker 11: too much. Last year they got run over by the

505
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Speaker 11: Ravens who ran them out of the playoffs, and then

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Speaker 11: the Eagles won the Super Bowl by running the ball.

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Speaker 5: I don't think he wanted to run the ball to

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Speaker 5: I don't think he ran the ball enough.

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Speaker 11: And then defensively, you know he wants he's low scoring

510
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Speaker 11: defensive struggles. Well, when he had Ben Roethlisberger, he did,

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Speaker 11: and he wanted to score thirty eight points. And when

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Speaker 11: he had Ben Roethlisberger and Antonio Brown, he wanted to

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Speaker 11: throw it all over the yard. He wanted to do

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Speaker 11: what he thought his players could do. And the idea

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Speaker 11: that defense doesn't matter anymore, Well, they just got smashed

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Speaker 11: by the best defense in the NFL. I mean, these

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Speaker 11: things don't go out of stop running the ball, having

518
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Speaker 11: a great defense, and being plus minus in turnover do

519
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Speaker 11: not go out of style. They're not exclusive to Mike

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Speaker 11: Toumblin or how the game's played.

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Speaker 5: I agree with you there.

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Speaker 4: I think that they didn't have the level of success

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Speaker 4: that he wanted to in those areas and that's what

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Speaker 4: bit them.

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Speaker 3: No question.

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Speaker 11: The are yeah like people saying, you know, his philosophy's

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Speaker 11: wrong or the game's passed him by.

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Speaker 4: No, the philosophy right, But again, you know, schematically, if

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Speaker 4: you don't have the badasses that Houston has you kind

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Speaker 4: of have to.

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Speaker 5: Do some things to take it up.

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Speaker 11: And I don't think if you was what Darius Slay

533
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Speaker 11: and one thorn Hill can do, you got a problem.

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Speaker 11: Then you're going on to scrap heap and picking up

535
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Speaker 11: Kyle Duggan and you still got a problem if you

536
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Speaker 11: think Roman Wilson's worth the third round pick and he

537
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Speaker 11: ends up not being that out a problem and then

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Speaker 11: you end up going to the scratch like that's a

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Speaker 11: hard way to get it done.

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Speaker 4: He sat on this show and said the defense had

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Speaker 4: a chance to be historic, which was hyperbolic for Mike

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Speaker 4: Tomlin to say something like that, Who would you know

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Speaker 4: say that all the time.

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Speaker 5: We all have a chance to be great. You know,

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Speaker 5: that's what this is all about.

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Speaker 4: But for him to go out on the limb and

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Speaker 4: say that that he was that confident because of Jalen Ramsey,

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Speaker 4: because of Darius Lay, because of Thornhill, because of TJ.

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Speaker 4: Watpion and full Bore and Derek Harmon joining the defensive

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Speaker 4: line and Herbig also having another year and okay, all

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Speaker 4: of that. Yes, Sawyer was actually another one of a

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Speaker 4: piece of that puzzle that just told me in retrospect,

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Speaker 4: like man, he overestimated what these guys could do by

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Speaker 4: leaps and bounds.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, And I wonder if this is just pure speculation

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Speaker 11: on my part, But they put so much time, effort,

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Speaker 11: energy resources into making the run defense better and rebuilding

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Speaker 11: the secondary, and when they needed it else to run

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Speaker 11: defense was not better and the secondary was not better.

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Speaker 11: And I wonder if he thought, Wow, maybe I need

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Speaker 11: to rethink some stuff.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe, I don't know. It's gonna be interesting to

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Speaker 5: see what happens.

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Speaker 4: Now, turning to the future, who's the new Steeler head coach.

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Speaker 3: Going to be?

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Speaker 4: I keep hearing Chris Shula, Marcus Freeman, Brian Flores. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I thought it was a bad move to let Brian

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Speaker 4: Flores walk out in the first place. Imagine if you

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Speaker 4: never let Mike Munchak go. Imagine if you had Munchak

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Speaker 4: and Brian Flores. Well, it's a whole lot different from

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Speaker 4: what they had at defensive coordinator in Tarrell Austin, no doubt,

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Speaker 4: and in Randy Feiekner, Matt Canada and Arthur Smith.

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Speaker 11: Don't the college guys make more than the NFL guys?

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Speaker 11: They do, now, I believe.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why everybody's talking about Signetti coming here.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, I think he's good.

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Speaker 3: And is Freeman gonna get to schedule Navy and Purdue?

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Speaker 5: Where did Marcus Freeman guarantee him the spot in the playoffs?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 4: How did that name get thrown into the mix based

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Speaker 4: I think a lot of times it's agents that that

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Speaker 11: You feel like they got a writer say something, so

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Speaker 11: that wasn't anywhere near in the same ballpark.

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Speaker 4: Normally I'd be doing the Maryland clapping and going nuts,

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Speaker 4: but I'm not feeling too celebratory today.

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Speaker 5: I Uh, As much as I think a.

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Speaker 4: Change needed to happen, I am only filled with gratitude

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Speaker 4: at what Mike Tomlin did for us here in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 4: And I'm not one of those people who are are

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Speaker 4: cheering this change thinking this solves everything. I don't know

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Speaker 4: where you fall in this argument, but I know you

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Speaker 4: have an appreciation for Mike Tomlin's abilities as a coach,

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Speaker 4: and you can speak to that first if you'd like.

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Speaker 4: But did you think this was the right time for

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Speaker 4: a change for both Mike and the organization?

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Speaker 9: Well, I'll just answered the first one is yeah. I

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Speaker 9: think that they all felt that, and I think that's

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Speaker 9: actually you know, I think Mike's not dumb man, you know.

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Speaker 3: I think Mike.

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Speaker 9: Sensed it too, and instead of you know, thinking about it,

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Speaker 9: I think all of these Chuck, Bill and Mike all resigned.

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Speaker 9: Correct me if I'm wrong. Nobody got fired. I think

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Speaker 9: serious have ever fired a head coach in like almost

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Speaker 9: seventy years. Okay, They've all decided to move on, and

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Speaker 9: I think all of them, you know, felt that that

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Speaker 9: there was time that they needed to move on and

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Speaker 9: it was best for not just them, but I think

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Speaker 9: the organization.

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Speaker 3: So I'd say yes to that.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 9: I'm fortunate that I played for two of the three

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Speaker 9: coaches in STEO history, which is when I when I

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Speaker 9: said I can't even believe I can say that, you know,

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Speaker 9: two of them ended up being in the Hall of Famers.

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Speaker 9: I remember when Chuck left, you could feel it in

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Speaker 9: the air the last few weeks. You just could feel

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Speaker 9: either there was something different. We didn't know he was

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Speaker 9: going to resign, but there was something different in the air.

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Speaker 9: Then were Bill Cower left as of ESPN at the time,

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Speaker 9: And I remember ESPN came to me, They're like, oh

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Speaker 9: my gosh, some my gosh, who do you think on

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Speaker 9: their staff is going to be the next head coach.

665
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 9: I said, they all better run for their lives because

666
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 9: they ain't nobody to be the next head coach there

667
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 9: if they do what they normally did.

668
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 3: I wouldn't do that.

669
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 9: And I go and I can't tell you how good

670
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:01,959
Speaker 9: the head coach will be, and tell you can tell

671
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 9: me whose staff is period. That's really what makes a

672
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 9: great head coach. But then I got to work with Mike.

673
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 9: You know, I didn't play for him, but if I

674
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 9: worked with him, I've been in the same room with him.

675
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 9: I've watched him oparade and you know, correct me if

676
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 9: I'm wrong on this one. But the Seeders will probably

677
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 9: end up with three Hall of Fame coaches back to

678
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 9: back to back. Yeah, when it's all said and done,

679
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 9: I enjoyed working with my because you know, he's unique

680
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 9: and how he goes about things, he's confident, and how

681
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 9: he goes about.

682
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 3: Things, he models things.

683
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 9: And I'm going to leave it right there, because the

684
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 9: greatest you can take leadership and you can say, hey,

685
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 9: here's the five principles in leadership, and which one's most important.

686
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 9: I think all of them usually are, But if I

687
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 9: had to pick one, it's like there's one that this

688
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 9: is just concrete.

689
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 3: It never goes wrong.

690
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 9: And that's modeling, you know, because what you see somebody

691
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 9: do is going to be far more impactful than what

692
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 9: you hear them say, especially if it doesn't match. Now,

693
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 9: if they say something and then they model it, which

694
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 9: Bill Cower Chuck, No, they were impeccable with that. And

695
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 9: so it was Mike.

696
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 3: And so.

697
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 9: You listen nineteen years or something to not be like,

698
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 9: I feel like there's something.

699
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 3: Listen. My wife is one of the bigges steel fans.

700
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 9: I can't watch TV with the game sometimes because within

701
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 9: thirty seconds of the game, if something doesn't go right,

702
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 9: it's over, you know.

703
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 3: And she's Italian. So the start he's a Steelers fan.

704
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 5: No, yeah, he said he's a Steelers fan. I know, yeah, yeah, right.

705
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 9: Right right. So I'm sitting there, that's crazy because I

706
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 9: didn't I got I got drafted by the Pittsburgh Steels.

707
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 9: I didn't live in Pittsford. I didn't grow up in Pittsburgh.

708
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 9: I'm like, I'm watching somebody who grew up in Pittsburgh,

709
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 9: and I'm like, wow, that's Odd's what I loved about

710
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 9: the Steelers fan that they are so passionate.

711
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 3: They are so committed.

712
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 9: And let me tell you this. I think I've told

713
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 9: this before many times.

714
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 3: When I was a year stand for some twenty five.

715
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 9: Years, everybody that I got to work with that was

716
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 9: not a Pittsburgh steel fan, every one of them referred

717
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 9: to the Steelers fan as being the best. And here's

718
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 9: why they're a smart fan.

719
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 3: Do they get mad?

720
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 9: Did they get angry? Yes, but they appreciate your one

721
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 9: hundred percent commitment, win or lose. If the end all,

722
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 9: you gave everything you had.

723
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 3: Okay, they they can swallow that.

724
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 9: They want chance, they want a championship, absolutely, but they

725
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 9: can accept somebody who gave everything they have.

726
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 3: It just didn't work out for us. Maryland.

727
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 4: Well, what I wanted to ask you that dovetailing into

728
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 4: your experience working with Mike one of the knocks against him.

729
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 4: Did you ever sense that he was reluctant to accept

730
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 4: feedback from those around him, or that he was reluctant

731
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 4: to put the best people in the room as he

732
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 4: possibly could to come out with the best performance that

733
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 4: the team could muster.

734
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 9: Now you could sit there, here's where I he was

735
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 9: off coach too. Okay, so I didn't just play off coach.

736
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 9: I've bet a position coach coordinator and a head coach,

737
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 9: and I've always believed.

738
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:00,720
Speaker 3: I'll go back to what I said.

739
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 9: At the very beginning, when Bill Tower came or if

740
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 9: they were going to go chuck it or Bill resigned,

741
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 9: They're like, who's you know, who's going to be the

742
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 9: next head coach and how good will they be? I

743
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 9: was like, until I know the staff, I cannot really

744
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 9: tell you. And that is really the truth. And if

745
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,720
Speaker 9: you look at it at his history, he's he hasn't

746
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 9: put the you know, smarter people around as smart as

747
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 9: people that he can run. The tree tells you that,

748
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 9: you know, if there is there was one flaw that Mike,

749
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 9: Mike had baby was not the evaluation of coaches and

750
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 9: getting people in that you know, we're just smarter in

751
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 9: an area.

752
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 3: Listen.

753
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 9: It's nice to be in a room and come up

754
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 9: with an idea and then have somebody go, well, I

755
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 9: think we should do it and you're like, oh, yeah,

756
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 9: that's smart.

757
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 3: That's better now.

758
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 9: I did, you know? And if there was probably in

759
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,919
Speaker 9: his is these nineteen years, there was never really any

760
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 9: you know, great depth around him aside from initially you.

761
00:35:54,960 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 4: Know, the transition came with quite a stable of coordinators, right.

762
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 9: And so you know, those guys never really eclipsed like

763
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 9: you know, true greatness, so they moved on and evolved.

764
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 9: So you know the evaluation of staff. But you know,

765
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,240
Speaker 9: I could tell you this. He has a great belief

766
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 9: in what he does, in a commitment to what he does.

767
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 9: And sometimes you don't really go back and look at

768
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 9: us till you can just remove yourself and reflect on stuff.

769
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,240
Speaker 9: You know, you're in the blender it's hard to see

770
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 9: what's going on sometimes, and so I did give him

771
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 9: that liberty because that's happened to me many times. You're

772
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 9: in the blender, and there wasn't until I got out

773
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 9: of the blender that I was like, Okay, wow, jeez,

774
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 9: I couldn't see it in the blender, but man, I

775
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 9: got it out of it, and see, it's easy to

776
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 9: judge from the outside. Now I have a perspective of that,

777
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 9: so I can evaluate that a little better. But I

778
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 9: also do know when you're in the blender, it's hard.

779
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 9: It's so hard. And that's what he did for nineteen years.

780
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 9: If he just listed all the things, you know, a

781
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 9: lot of them are never been done.

782
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 3: You know that.

783
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 9: Don't never take that lightly. The league's been around or

784
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 9: one hundred years or more. I mean a lot of

785
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 9: great coaches, great coaches, Hall of Fame coaches, something that

786
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 9: he proceeded, that didn't do what he did, you know,

787
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 9: just to put it in light of the greatness that

788
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 9: he did. He did have and I think every coach

789
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 9: could go back and go about even Chuck no who

790
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 9: I think he is the greatest leader I have ever seen,

791
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 9: the greatest man I've ever been around. Still with this day,

792
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 9: nobody has ever eclipsed him. And I could go back

793
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 9: and look at things that we could have done, like

794
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 9: his commitment to being physical and practice. I'm telling you

795
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 9: that on Friday we were just like I don't know

796
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 9: if I got enough for Sunday, you know.

797
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of.

798
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,959
Speaker 9: Things you know, that evolved in and change over time

799
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 9: that somebody could go back.

800
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 3: But here's why I give all three of them.

801
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 9: In the environment they were in, all the information they

802
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 9: had at that time, they did their very best, and

803
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 9: they gave everything they had. And there's nothing more you

804
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 9: can ask of a human being in those two things.

805
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 5: You have a favorite tomlinism. We'll go out on that.

806
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 3: I don't.

807
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 4: Did you like that that that technique using the metaphoric, And.

808
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 9: Yes, I like those type of things, like because I

809
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 9: think they could be powerful, especially when you you've implemented that,

810
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 9: you've implemented in your life, you know the effects they

811
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 9: can have. Like I've always been like as a kid,

812
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 9: I ran across Aristotle on accident. I don't know who

813
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 9: that guy was at the time, and I don't even

814
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 9: know why I read the stuff he reads more more,

815
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:32,399
Speaker 9: I read the march that.

816
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 3: I became.

817
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 9: So stowing stuff like to me resonates with me, and

818
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 9: I was so when he does says stuff, I get that.

819
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 9: I get like where's coming from, you know, and how

820
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 9: it resonates in his life and he transfers it to

821
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 9: the people he's leads, you know, and Orde's trying to

822
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 9: explain stuff too.

823
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 3: So uh.

824
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 9: I think he was a terrific head coach. I think

825
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 9: he's unique in his in his approach to it. I

826
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,720
Speaker 9: think he was a tripic leader period, and his history

827
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 9: will speak for itself when he's when he goes to

828
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 9: the Hall of Fame.

829
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 4: Mine's again will forever be. There's a fine line between

830
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 4: between drinking wine and stomping grapes.

831
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know that something.

832
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 9: If you know, the first time you hear that, you

833
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 9: start going. You got to make think. That's one thing

834
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 9: I think he's trying to do is make you think,

835
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 9: you know, because it's not the norm.

836
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 3: So you know that.

837
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 9: There's a lot of people go ahead.

838
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 4: Do you think he'll stay on TV? Like you know

839
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,240
Speaker 4: he's going to head back to coaching.

840
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 9: No, I think he goes to TV. I think there's

841
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 9: any doubt because when listen, he the Steelers if he

842
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 9: has another year on his contract, right too? Yeah, okay too,

843
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 9: so he can't coach. Look, I guess you can't coach,

844
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,760
Speaker 9: you know, but the Steels he's not going. I believe

845
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 9: he's going to television. I have no information on that.

846
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 9: I just believe that when you resign, you have two

847
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,959
Speaker 9: years you'll go. You're gonna go onto television, You're gonna

848
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 9: go into broadcasting.

849
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 3: That's what I believe.

850
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 4: Merril Hodge brought to you by Castle Rock, Hormone Health

851
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 4: and Southhiels Key this morning on DV. Love you, Meryl,

852
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 4: Thanks Budy. We'll talk to you next week. Absolutely all right, man,

853
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 4: we'll see it when we come back. Tad Whistle's thoughts

854
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 4: on coach Tomlin's tenure here in Pittsburgh. Rob King, voice

855
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 4: of the Steelers on the Steelers Audio Network, joining US

856
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 4: eight forty five, Jeremy Fowler, who broke the story along

857
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 4: with Adam Schefter free ESPN yesterday, Max, Max Starks, Mark Madden.

858
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 4: All still to come, and we'll go over some of

859
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 4: our favorite tomlinisms for you. There certainly are plenty to

860
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 4: choose from. Some of them drove me crazy, but that's

861
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 4: part of the power of them, as they're supposed to

862
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 4: drive the standard. Is the standard used to drive me nuts?

863
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 4: I'm like, that's too vague. Let's just do it shake.

864
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:58,439
Speaker 4: So yeah, and uh also, Abby will have some news

865
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 4: later this morning nine am. We'll we'll check back in

866
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 4: what's going on news because it's kind of a slow

867
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 4: news day outside of Mike Tomlin, right, I don't think.

868
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 8: We care about anything other than Mike Tomlin.

869
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 7: But you know what will restore people's trust in their

870
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 7: nightly news alcohol agreed, that is what could potentially be

871
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 7: coming to CBS Whiskey Fridays.

872
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 4: Oh that's Look, if there's one thing that the evening

873
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 4: news is needed, it's a touch of Booze, Yeah.

874
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 5: Merril Hodge.

875
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 3: Here.

876
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 5: I faced a lot in my life here