WEBVTT - 1-21-26 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:00.679 You want to. 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:05.920 That's some show seven hundred W LW. 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:09.840 The mayor you're after at peer vall opposing income taxing 0:00:09.920 --> 0:00:13.039 threes to pay for crime prevention, affordable housing, and what 0:00:13.039 --> 0:00:15.440 do you called disrupting poverty. I'm not quite sure what 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:18.239 that means, uh, because poverty is the root cause of 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:20.480 so much of the violence, and that's that's probably true. 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:22.599 But I'm trying to figure out how this tax is 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:25.120 going to solve that. The mayor said, should have this 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:29.080 thing decided how much, if any, by roughly by March, 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:31.160 the next couple of months here, and of course there's 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:33.680 gonna be plenty of public input now whether they listen. 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:34.600 Different story. 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:36.360 Let me bring in council Member Seth Walsh on the 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:37.680 show on seven hundred WW. 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:40.239 How are you. 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:44.200 I'm doing fine. I'm doing fine. So the current income 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:47.520 tax is like one point eight percent. That's much lower 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:49.680 than Columbus and Cleveland are both two point five percent. 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:52.159 Fairly low right now, So I think we got to 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:55.720 throw that out there. And I look at this and go, okay, well, 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:57.720 before I get to your take on this, the mayor, 0:00:57.760 --> 0:01:01.120 this is about disrupting poverty. Can we tell out of crime? 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:06.120 Well, I think that I don't think that is fully 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:08.679 what the mayor was saying with this statement. We have 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:11.800 not had a conversation, so I don't fully know what 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:14.039 is being proposed at this stage. But I think what 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:17.640 is being rooted in is the Future Commission's recommendations, which 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:20.960 had I recommended a point one five earning task increase 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:24.759 that include economic development and include more money for policing, 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:25.920 more money for fire. 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:26.120 There. 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:29.280 I think that is what is the conversation here, but 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:31.479 I haven't had a conversation with him to be told 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:33.160 that for a fact at this stage. 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:35.200 Yeah, because I think people hear that. 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:36.880 I don't know if there's a misstep on his part, 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:38.880 but if he starts hammering that the root cause of 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:41.360 povery's violence and we've got to disrupt poverty, and therefore 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:43.520 this is why we've got to garnish your wages and 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:46.480 fix this. Well, let's go all the way back to LBJ, 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:49.280 well before I was here, and way well before you 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:49.640 were here. 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:50.000 Seth. 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:53.960 It doesn't work. And I'll point this out because this 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:56.800 just broke this morning. I think it's relevant. One of 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.000 the biggest stories of EFAT the story the of course, 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:01.240 is the Ryan Hitton shooting that led to the death 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:05.400 by his dad. Of deputies to Larry Henderson, the three 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:10.000 individuals that were with Ryan Hinton that day, we just 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:12.080 had their day in court. One of them and by 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:14.919 the way, these are individuals who had previous records, had 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:18.320 committed grand theft autos stolen the car with a gun specification. 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:20.799 One of them is still doesn't have their day in 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:24.680 corporate the other two one got ten months in jail 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:29.840 and the other one received probation. If people are going, well, okay, 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:31.799 I'm going to get this tax and helped low poverty 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:33.960 which can reduce crime, and there's a lot of things 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:38.200 between those elements, and I propose it probably doesn't work. 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:39.800 But you hear that and go, wait a minute, I 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:42.800 got to pay more in taxes When we've got judges 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:44.960 that simply slap people on the wrist who steal cars 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:46.200 and commit crimes with guns. 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:48.320 That math doesn't work, does it. 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:51.720 I think we're making a lot of assumptions about what 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:53.959 the tax is and I think that that's not helping 0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:58.320 situation right now, because you know your breed on what 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:00.520 it is, am I read on what the acts that 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:02.160 were not consistent. 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:02.600 On that, So. 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:07.320 I think the fairest way for the conversation. The only 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:09.480 report that I know of that has been done around 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:12.840 an earning tax since we reduced certain tacks to be 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:18.079 a fun metro was the Future Submission, and their recommendation 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:21.160 in there is very clearly that the city's budget needs 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:24.079 to be put in a strong financial foothold, and they 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:27.000 also are encouraging enough to grow and develop with you 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:30.800 and I both Vehemailey agree on and to do that, 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:32.880 we need more money and resources to be able to 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:36.640 achieve that. Part of you know, train on the city 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:40.960 budget is the costs that for yearly raises for police 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:43.240 and fire as they deserve. I mean, anybody willing to 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:45.840 risk their lives to protect our community run into a 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:48.680 burning building, you know, they deserve the pay they get, 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:52.440 They deserve the raises they get, and I think that's 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:54.640 a very fair trade off. But it does have an 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:56.880 expense on the movie the budget, and so the recommendation 0:03:57.080 --> 0:04:01.000 specifically in that report was to prom d a stream 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:03.600 of revenue similar to how Columbus handles it that would 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:06.800 help offset the increase or police of fire boards. Forward 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:10.640 now to the conversations we've had all summer around policing 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:12.640 and having police out there to be able to you know, 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:16.480 be as deterrence toward crime. You know, that's critical, right, 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:19.240 because if you want to be able to not have 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:21.120 them what we've dealt with this summer, you've got to 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:23.280 have good police officers out there working to beat and 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:27.320 you know, not only are you know, when they're causing problems, 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:30.080 but just being president and having relationships in the community 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:33.560 so that people are less likely to do that. So, yeah, 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:36.039 I think if that's the case, that's what we're talking about. 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:38.279 I think that's a very different conversation than you know, 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:40.960 the open ended question of you know, are we doing 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:45.239 an earnings tax increase to you know, try to break poverty, 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:47.600 which I don't think anyone disagrees that we need to. 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:50.279 You know, the cost, you know, what's making it is city. 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:53.080 The how is a big question, and the lack of 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:55.320 that answer, I think makes this conversation really hard and 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:58.440 really beating the water for the greater conversation the city 0:04:58.480 --> 0:04:58.839 needs to have. 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:00.920 Yeah, and I bring that up because I don't disagree 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:03.040 with you. What I'm saying is people hear then go, okay, 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:05.840 well we're disrupting poverty, but you know, judges aren't doing 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:07.160 what they're supposed to do, and so why am I 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:08.880 paying this tab? I think people think in those terms, 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:11.359 like what am I what? What's my what's my return 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:13.240 on my investment here? If we're just going to continue 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:14.720 to catch and release and not take some of this 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:17.560 stuff seriously? Uh In the mayor certainly doesn't control that, 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:19.320 but here it's himself. I think by bringing it up 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:21.880 put in that context as well. So what you're saying 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:24.400 for you to get a yes for your vote, anyway 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:27.840 to get your vote, Futures Commission recommendations need to be 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:29.480 implemented first before you do that. 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:33.880 Yeah, absolutely, I mean the Future's Commission you're really focus 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:36.560 heavily on the development side of Fincinnati. You know, we 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:39.120 talked about the affordability crisis. We talk about trying to 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:42.040 you know, make our downtown you know, lively and active again. 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:45.120 And it has a number of recommendations in there about 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:48.000 how we can actually be growing and be able to 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:50.640 down on bureaucrae, the red cape that it takes to 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:53.000 get anything off the ground here. Yeah, things you and 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:56.279 I talked about at nausea. Yeah, and you know, to 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:59.479 my knowledge, the most critical ones, the most simple ones too, 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:01.680 have not even to implement it. You know, the Office 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:04.800 of Strategy Growth, I think, being the biggest opportunity there. 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:08.240 I'm hearing rumblings if that is in the work and 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:09.960 we're gonna have some progress on that soon, but it 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:12.840 hasn't been implemented. And in my opinion, the entire time 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:15.840 since the Future State pindition came out is they make 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:20.200 a lot of how to say, proof and their efficiencies 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:24.080 and be more forward facing. And if we did that, 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:28.120 then we should be rewarded with more funcial leverage to 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:31.200 be able to actually lead development. If we haven't done that, 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:33.480 we shouldn't get the carrot. You know, we shouldn't get 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:35.640 the reward for not having done that, because the worst 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:38.080 thing that could happen is at this time when things 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:41.040 are so expensive already, when you know costability is going 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:43.719 on through the roof, we already have an affordability crisis, poverty, 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:46.880 you know, the poverty graph is just getting wider. To 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:50.280 put a more burden on our residence without being able 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:52.240 to say, we can't achieve what we're going to promise 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:53.720 you in this case that you can have a development 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:55.720 and the actual more housing actually be able to bring 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:59.360 down it. That plan, I have a problem being able 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:01.040 to get behind it, and that needs to get you know, 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:02.159 we needed to make some privucs. 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:05.400 He is a council member, Seth Walsh on Sloan here, 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:09.400 seven hundred WLW. And this has to do with the 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:13.320 kicking the tires on a income tax increase in the 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:16.560 City of Cincinnati to help pay for crime prevention, affordable housing, 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:18.400 and what the mayor said is disrupting poverty. 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:20.360 I'll bring this up in context too. Butler County. 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:24.240 It's not just Hamlet, but Butler County is proposing a 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:26.560 new two mil levee to address this very issue. So 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:28.840 it's not just Hamilton, it's other counties as well hit 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:32.240 by this. The other side of this thing, too is 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:34.160 if you're in Cincinnati, also live in Hamlin. 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:34.600 County. 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:37.240 Commissioner Alicia Reese is going to join the show at 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:40.040 ten oh seven this morning to talk about what they 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:42.320 discussed yesterday, and they may ask voters to increase the 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:45.480 Children's services levy there because that is tied to, you know, 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:48.200 poverty and disrupting poverty. It starts with children and the 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:50.040 last time we had an increase was eight years ago. 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:54.840 They want to double. In the perfect world, they would 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:56.840 want to more than double this whole thing. That this 0:07:57.160 --> 0:07:59.200 proposal is going to be a moderate, a minimum and 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:01.920 eighty percent in increase over the current cost of the 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:06.320 levee from twenty eighteen. And so the city does not 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:09.160 exist in a vacuum. Obviously, it's also in Hambleton County. 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:12.240 And so if you're Cincinnati's living hamil guys, I said, 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:15.040 does that hurt your effort here on an income tax, 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:17.440 because now the county's going, hey, we've got to get 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:19.720 a children services levey on. It's going to more than 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:21.760 double the amount you're paying right now. Is it too 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:22.520 much for voters? 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:28.040 I think it's yes. And maybe you know, I think 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:31.600 right now, I think the big bringing any attempt at 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:34.640 an increase for any tax is cost of living has 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:39.320 just gotten so ridiculously out of control. And when we're 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:41.840 not seeing wages going up, we're not seeing more opportunity, 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:43.840 we're not seeing more jobs coming in at the rate 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:46.000 that they need to be coming in. You know, how 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:48.400 these costs keep going up. I think it's a big 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:50.800 hill for anybody to swallow to say, you know, we 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:54.240 need more taxes. I think at the same time, people 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:57.480 myself included, recognize that the cost of living in impact 0:08:57.520 --> 0:09:01.320 has been hitting the exact same places support right. You know, 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:03.320 the people that we have out there trying to help 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:06.640 children have it, trying to do crime prevention, trying to 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:09.719 disrupt povery, the expense for them to even do the 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:13.320 bare minimum stamp center, seeing how stay cost just to 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:16.360 be able to nail things right. It's a real issue 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:19.520 that is out there. So where are our values as 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:23.120 a community? And I don't get smarter to have these 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:25.520 large conversations and say this is what we want to 0:09:25.600 --> 0:09:28.480 value this we'll want to put our money toward. Again, 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:31.480 We've had a conversation as the community last year about crime. 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:32.920 We talked about crime prevention. 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:35.360 We talked about how we want to get engaged earlier 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:40.040 and you know, get you other opportunities. Besides, you're disrupting 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:42.520 what you know, what's going on around the city. And 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:44.760 if that's the priority that we have as a city 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:46.720 and as a county, then yeah, I think that you know, 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:48.120 people are going to get behind the tactics. 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:48.600 I don't. 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:50.559 I don't think that's a non starter, but I think 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:51.760 we have to be able to be clear and what 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:53.760 we're trying to do so, why we're trying to do it, 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:56.240 and how this is going to actually achieve that? Which 0:09:56.520 --> 0:10:01.079 this fact my concern about their effect is it enough 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:03.080 of do we have the efficiencies in place to deliver 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:06.520 on what we're gonna promise? Maybe I don't hope they come. Yes, 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:09.280 I don't know that yet, And until we get to 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:12.240 that point, it's just it's a hard pilled get the 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:14.520 hardfeld to go and ask people to sacrifice for more 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:16.040 if we don't know the back end. 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:17.679 Yet, right, right, If it feels like it's more of 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:19.360 the same, it's like, uh, you know, we're going to 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:21.280 fix this problem by throwing more money at it. I 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:24.880 voters definitely would be reluctant. And it's not like, you know, 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:27.280 we don't have empathy here, right. We do need a 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:30.439 children's services levy. They need the money because so many 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:32.000 kids are in poverty. And if you do want to 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:33.880 break that cycle of violence, it starts there. 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:34.320 It's tough. 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:36.280 But at the same time, if you're stretched though thin, 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:39.000 we're a gallon of gas, I mean, price of gases 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:43.480 start to go back up again. If you've noticed, you know, beef, milk, bread, eggs, energy, 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:45.320 all those things they factor in and then you get 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:47.480 hit with more taxes from the city and the county. 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:49.679 People have a breaking point at the end of the day. 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:51.319 It's about self preservation. 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:53.760 Absolutely. 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:56.800 I think that's where you know, we as leaders and 0:10:56.880 --> 0:10:59.720 include you and conversations Scott. You know, we as leaders 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:01.559 of them we're having this conversation, have to be able 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:03.480 to answer the questions we have to ask, the hard 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:06.679 question we have to getting out of it. People will sacrifice, 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:09.720 no doubt about that. We have the core humanity that 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:11.439 we are trying to push forward together on and I 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:15.720 think that's fantastic and I take great pride in that 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:19.800 in Cincinnati and Hamilton County. But also things are really 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:21.839 hard right now, and what we can't do is pack 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:24.040 so much that we cause more problems in the back end, 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:26.960 and so we need to have good answers. Everybody across 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:28.880 the board is looking at this. I know times are 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:32.319 really hard right now. Sometimes the government needs to take 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:35.320 the back speat to you know, find creative ways to 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:37.640 go without putting more burdened on our people. 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:40.600 That's my opinion, right right, No, I mean, yeah, that 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:42.080 makes sense, but how do you do all this stuff? 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:43.040 I think that is the question. 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:47.679 They Vice Mayor Jannas Shelliman Curney says, this is a 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:51.240 small increase that's going to allow huge increases affordable housing 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:54.520 and small businesses support. We have a goal and you're 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:56.920 your lealestate guy too, so a development guy. So we 0:11:56.960 --> 0:11:59.400 have a goal of forty thousand new affordable housing units 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:02.360 for the next deck. So the revenues, the projected revenues 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:04.960 from this this increased match that scale of investment needed. 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:05.760 Is it enough? 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:10.360 So it's forty thousand units of housing across the board. 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:12.600 I think a big part of the affordable housing conversation 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:14.559 that we lose sight of is, you know, we just 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:16.640 don't have enough housing units, which has really become a 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:19.720 supplying demand issue. So it's forty thousand units across the board. 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:22.400 The Futures Commission report, in which the earning sex has 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:25.680 been you know, is being recommended on, is actually recommending 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:29.360 a twenty six thousand unit increase over the next ten years. 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:32.600 And that's I think there's you know, smart people in 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:34.200 this field that should be able to do the mask 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:36.360 to tell us, you know, the per unit subsidue that 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:38.480 we were looking at, and you know, is the revenue 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:40.840 that we would get off the projected earning sex enough 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:42.679 for us to be able to deliver that twenty six 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:44.320 thousand unit goal from. 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:45.520 The from the Futures Commission. 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:46.880 You know, if we want to wak to forty thousand, 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:48.800 you know, outside of that, that's not what the Future 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:51.400 Commission one point five, our point five one to five 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:53.800 is backing up. So we probably need to do the 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:56.160 mass again, which gets to the bigger point here. We're 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:58.280 going to ask sex, right, let's make sure we have 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:00.520 our ducks in a row, and you know what we 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:03.200 are asking a sacrifice on is going to achieve that goal. 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:05.800 At least the mass will make sense on it. I 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:08.160 have a few numbers yet that have given me confidence 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:10.000 on it, which is why I continue to lean towards 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:12.040 the I'm not there at the stage. 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:14.839 Yeah, no, that makes sense, Seth Walsh. I think you 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:18.640 and I believe was a council member Mika Owens want 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:21.320 to create some called the Office of Strategic Growth to 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:22.920 try and get some of these projects off the crew. 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:25.360 If you create this office and but but the tax 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:27.440 increase fails at the battle box, Where does the funding 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:29.640 come from to operate the new department? And does that 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:32.160 kind of hinder progress moving forward. 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:35.920 Well, I'm a big believer in you know, the city 0:13:35.960 --> 0:13:40.640 budget has more flexibility than as you know, publicly discussed 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:42.760 and you know, we won't go jump into it because 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:44.760 that's the whole master's class in and of itself. But 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:48.160 the funding, I believe the funding city budget. I also 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:51.080 think that it's critical, regardless of the impact, if we 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:54.200 want to grow as a city and grow in this situation. 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:56.800 Can be from you know, just trying to do more 0:13:56.960 --> 0:13:58.880 fatile housing units to try to actually hit a forty 0:13:58.880 --> 0:13:59.640 thousand goal. 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:02.439 You know, the frustrated by having college show. 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:03.839 It's one of the reasons I went to city Hall 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:07.000 is it's really hard to do development because sometimes the 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:09.480 right hand's not talking to the left hand. Sometimes when 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:11.280 I was in college Shill it felt like all the time. 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:14.320 And the Office of Strategic Growth has a responsibility in 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:17.160 helping cut that and make that, you know, smoother, more efficient, 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:20.000 and then also be aggressive and going to finding groups 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:22.160 that are not in Cincinnati right now, convincing them to 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:25.120 come to Cincinnati and invest their money in Cincinnati, because 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:27.520 that's going to help drive down the person you subsidy. 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:30.280 It's going to introduce more creativity into our market. It's 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:32.440 going to just have big impacts. And that's where you 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:34.640 see success starts to come in when you're talking about 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:35.560 how you tackle housing. 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:37.000 Creditis and so. 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:38.560 It has a big role, and I think there's money 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:41.120 in the budget to find it. I've already identified source 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:44.040 and a spell years to do that. So I'm not 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:47.000 worried about that angle. Whether it passes or does not pass. 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:50.880 Yeah, And you know, you look at this the income tax, sorry, 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:55.160 the payroll tax increase here, you know, with additional crime 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:58.520 fighting measures, more partnership with the Ohio State Highway Patrol, 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:00.920 and that has been a long road to get to 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:03.760 where we are right now, more of walking and bike patrols, 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:06.760 more license plate readers, more in Sylvan surveillance. And to 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:08.960 bring this up going well, you know, in this story 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:10.880 we had some closure to it to some degree, but 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:13.600 not long ago. We had that murder, of course, on 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:16.000 New Year's Day. Eleven year old girl murdered on New 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:17.800 Year's Day, a horrible way to start the new year. 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:20.640 Suppose there's cameras up there, but none of them worked 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:22.240 at the time, and we had one hundred and fifty 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:24.400 I think one hundred and fifty thousand dollars was going 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:26.200 towards those cameras, and there are a lot of questions 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:28.640 about that, And yeah, I think that just those kinds 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:31.120 of optics don't help either that, hey, we gave you 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:32.960 the money and it wasn't being spent. Now we later 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:35.720 found out what actually happened with the broken cameras and 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:37.880 the like. But get money for the technology and it's 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:42.160 not being used, I don't think that also helps as well. 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:43.680 I think, yeah, I think it's frustrating. 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:47.240 You know, when we outdated that money in July last year, 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:51.120 I asked specifically, are we going to get these cameras 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:53.160 up and not have a time where all of. 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:54.680 A sudden we usually had the cameras up. 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:57.680 Is it going to turn into the city bureaucratic process 0:15:57.680 --> 0:15:59.920 where it drags on for several years before we act 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:02.360 actually get the cameras up and asult because at that 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:04.400 point we were already two years planned on the promise 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:07.760 that we've made. Right then, I think the fact that 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:09.440 I even had to ask the question, and then the 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:11.520 fact that the media had to do follow up six 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:14.720 months with that tragedy happen, and there's a lot of 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:15.680 questions around it. 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:17.520 It doesn't breed a lot of confidence in the city. 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:19.920 And that's where I think the efficiency that the future 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:22.240 Submission talks about is a very real thing, and it's 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:25.240 a very important thing because you have to build confidence 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:27.040 once again, even if you're doing everything right. It's no 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:30.040 different than the snowplop tractors, right. You know, people are 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:31.480 not going to trust that we're going to plow the 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:34.200 street until they've seen that we've done it repeated this week. 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:35.560 And we're going to be a big test for that. 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:37.560 And I have every faith that we're going to do it, 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:39.440 but we have to continue to prove it. It's the 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:41.400 same thing for the city and development. It's the same 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:43.680 thing you know, for anything we're asking right now. The 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:46.040 city has to prove that we earn your trust for 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:49.280 your sacrifice, and I would like to see more of 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:51.280 that before we can go out and ask people for 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:52.080 a tax increase. 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:53.160 Ye where I'm out right now? 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:55.040 Yeah, it makes sense, Seth. 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:57.400 I miss if I didn't ask this, because I can 0:16:57.400 --> 0:16:59.480 sense the frustration your voice is, like, we just keep 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:02.240 turning butter over here. You know, we plan study and 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:04.879 there's a problem with the execution. Is that One of 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:07.600 the reasons why you decided to throw your hat. 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:09.360 In the ring to run for State treasure. 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:14.840 Well, I think that the first part is we have 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:17.680 had a lot of positive momentum at the city. I 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:19.880 think you will see that this weekend with a snowstorm 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:21.760 that comes in. You know, the streets are going to 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:24.520 get taken care of, and I'm really confident on that good. 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:28.720 The State Treasure's race is an exciting opportunity and frankly, 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:30.439 it ties into a lot of the frustrations I have 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:32.879 around development as a whole, and I think there's an 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:35.800 opportunity with the State Treasure's Office to really be able 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:38.320 to leverage the two hundred and eighty billion dollars in 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:41.119 investment that goes into the Treasure's office to work with 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:44.359 banks to make sure that as they're doing ther you know, 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:46.920 coming back and doing development deals, that they're actually doing 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:49.240 that for the benefit of our community, not just the 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:52.080 bottom line ROI. And the benefit of the community is 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:57.360 small businesses. Percent of ailen of Ohio business is small business, 0:17:57.640 --> 0:17:59.719 and the Treasure's Office has the ability to impact that. 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:01.960 So everything I've talked about from when I was in 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:06.119 college Hill the city council, it requires big creative thinking 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:08.960 around big creative investments, and the State Treasurer's office is 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:11.080 the biggest one you can do with that. So when 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:13.679 asked to run and I read about it, I though, 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:16.760 this is opportunity really be able to do some creative things, 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:18.199 not just for Cincinnati, but for re heal. 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:20.600 All right, very good, Seth. I'm sure we'll talk later. 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:20.800 Brother. 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:24.000 Appreciate the time as always, man, be good and we'll 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:25.000 catch up some other time. 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:26.200 Seth, all the best. 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:26.440 Thanks. 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:28.640 All right, comes member Seth Walsh in the Scott Slow 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:31.679 Show on seven hundred w welw with news. In just minutes, 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:34.800 we'll talk about this. In return, I'm gonna have Alisha 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:37.080 Reeson coming up at about a little more than a 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:40.320 half hour here on the show to discuss the county's proposal. 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:44.240 Now they want they want to increase the children's Services 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:46.120 love you amount I haven't been that since twenty eighteen. 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:49.399 That go up anywhere between eighty and over one hundred percent, 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:52.479 depending on what numbers they come up with. In addition 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:55.560 to this proposed income tax in the city and in 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:58.639 conjunction with the property tax increase in general, the property 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:01.800 valuation issues like it's all coming at you, and when 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:04.320 you hear this, you go, I know it's for the kids, 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:07.080 for the kids, for the kids, but how likely are 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:09.160 you to support more of these tax increases. We'll talk 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:11.920 to you about that right afternoons on seven hundred WWD. 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:19.280 Good morning, Scott flown back with you seven hundred WLWL 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:22.560 some light flurries for early morning tomorrow, I think. And 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:26.119 then we're waiting on the timeline and this winter storm 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:29.520 that's moving in the line of death. The axis of 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:33.439 the storm passes directly over Louisville and Cincinnati. Now that, 0:19:33.520 --> 0:19:35.720 of course, we're waiting to see how much that changes, 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:38.320 if at all. If it changes, different story. But if 0:19:38.359 --> 0:19:41.159 it doesn't change, we're gonna get dumped on this weekend 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:43.000 for sure. So we'll let you know how that plays out. 0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:47.280 I just got off the phone with Seth Walsh, council member. 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:49.440 If you missed it till it'll be on the podcast 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:51.119 after the show. You can check out this entirety if 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:53.560 you definitely if you live in the city, kind of 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:56.480 a double whammy for you. So Seth Walsh was talking 0:19:56.520 --> 0:20:01.399 about the proposal here for a increase the Cincinnati income tax, 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:04.880 and comparatively speaking, you know, we all hate paying tex 0:20:04.960 --> 0:20:06.840 We want stuff, we want someone else to pay for it, 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:09.439 and somebody paying for it means usually tax payers. But 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:13.080 our income tax as far as city goes, it's pretty 0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:14.840 low right now, it's one point eight percent, and I 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:18.359 mean low because comparatively, Columbus and Cleveland are both two 0:20:18.400 --> 0:20:19.040 and a half percent. 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:19.960 We're kind of right there. 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:23.200 I think there's only one even small obviously smaller city 0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:25.199 than us that that's tax rate is lower than that, 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:29.160 but pretty good compared to Columbus and Cleveland. However, there's 0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:33.000 always however, the reality is so that we also will 0:20:33.000 --> 0:20:35.199 have and Alicia Reese is going to give us at 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:38.240 ten oh seven this morning with me, because we need 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:42.439 money for children's services, and the county is proposing a 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:47.720 children's services levey that at a minimum, at a minimum, 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:50.600 would be an eighty percent increase over where it is 0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:54.840 right now. That that eighty percent increase would raise about 0:20:54.880 --> 0:20:57.280 sixty five million dollars. The target number that they really 0:20:57.320 --> 0:21:00.879 want is one hundred and twenty three million, and they're like, well, 0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:02.480 we're going to get the one to twenty three that's 0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:06.560 the ideal funding level for us for children's services, and 0:21:06.640 --> 0:21:11.679 that includes obviously abuse in the galact the hotline for 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:14.840 them and that infrastructure. But foster care takes a lot 0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:19.040 of money. Family preservation, reunification, independent living. Oh, there's a 0:21:19.040 --> 0:21:21.600 lot of things in there, and this one strikes at 0:21:21.640 --> 0:21:24.560 my heart and my heart strings because of my involved 0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:28.800 with children's charities, foremost right now being Marty Graff for 0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:31.720 Homeless Kids happening at the Northern Kentucky Convention Center on 0:21:31.800 --> 0:21:34.120 Fat Tuesday, I will be the King again and we 0:21:34.200 --> 0:21:37.640 raise enough money to feed homeless children in Cincinnati, feed 0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:39.960 children in Cincinnati for an entire year with that one night. 0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:43.560 I'm very proud to be part of that, a very 0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:46.840 small part of all that money and goodwill. And you know, 0:21:47.480 --> 0:21:50.040 children don't ask for this stuff. You're born in the world, 0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:55.199 you have no say. And unfortunately there are kids that 0:21:55.240 --> 0:21:57.560 are in an in growing increasing number of children who 0:21:57.600 --> 0:21:59.439 are falling between the cracks. There's no doubt about it. 0:21:59.440 --> 0:22:02.080 Mental health is shoes are getting worse, not better, and 0:22:02.400 --> 0:22:03.680 that's all come into a head and we need to 0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:05.879 ask our money for eight years. Obviously you're going to 0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:08.560 that ask is going to be greater with each passing year. 0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:11.439 I know also the reality of this as much as 0:22:11.480 --> 0:22:13.639 we need to fund children's services and take care of 0:22:13.640 --> 0:22:17.800 these kids, and if we don't, we're gonna're gonna pay 0:22:17.800 --> 0:22:19.920 more down the line. That's the American way. It's like healthcare. 0:22:20.000 --> 0:22:22.080 If we took better care of ourselves, we'd be less 0:22:22.080 --> 0:22:24.800 dependent on our healthcare, but we don't, uh, and so 0:22:24.880 --> 0:22:26.240 we pay at the back end as opposed to the 0:22:26.240 --> 0:22:28.120 front end. And the same is true here. The more 0:22:28.160 --> 0:22:29.560 you pay at the front end, the less we'll spend 0:22:29.560 --> 0:22:32.680 at the back end. And I just don't say, and honestly, 0:22:32.720 --> 0:22:35.399 I feel it because if you're in the city and 0:22:35.440 --> 0:22:38.160 Seth Walsh was talking about the mayor and his proposal 0:22:38.240 --> 0:22:42.480 to increase the spending relative to a money got from 0:22:42.560 --> 0:22:45.280 a income tax, and the county's asking you for money 0:22:45.280 --> 0:22:47.960 for a levy. You also got the fact that the 0:22:48.000 --> 0:22:50.560 state of Ohio is hitting you with higher property taxes, 0:22:50.760 --> 0:22:52.239 and it goes on and on and on and on 0:22:52.280 --> 0:22:54.399 and on, and you're really feeling the squeeze if you're 0:22:54.440 --> 0:22:56.560 in the city of Cincinnati, because you only have so 0:22:56.640 --> 0:22:58.239 much money to spend, because at the end of the day, 0:22:58.320 --> 0:23:01.120 you do have to look out your own interests. We're 0:23:01.119 --> 0:23:03.960 all selfish, and that's the way the world really works 0:23:03.960 --> 0:23:06.520 on a lot of countries, and you know, especially as socialists, 0:23:06.520 --> 0:23:08.080 don't believe that, but that's how it is. You look 0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:11.239 out for number one primarily, and we all do that. 0:23:11.320 --> 0:23:13.959 But also I think it's in company on us. Whatever 0:23:14.000 --> 0:23:15.840 extra that we have, we look at how we want 0:23:15.840 --> 0:23:19.960 to spend that, whether it's children's services or in this 0:23:20.080 --> 0:23:22.520 case the income tax increase to pay for crime prevention. 0:23:22.600 --> 0:23:25.159 Affordable housing a different matter, however, I would look at 0:23:25.160 --> 0:23:26.800 it and go, okay, are they being good stewards with 0:23:26.840 --> 0:23:27.240 their money? 0:23:27.240 --> 0:23:27.400 Now? 0:23:27.440 --> 0:23:29.960 County aside, which of course we just saw that Bengal 0:23:30.000 --> 0:23:32.240 still get struck better than it used to be, but 0:23:32.320 --> 0:23:36.240 not as good as most other teams have. The mayor 0:23:36.280 --> 0:23:38.360 through these words, and I think if he continues down 0:23:38.400 --> 0:23:42.160 this road, I think it's going to hurt their chances 0:23:42.200 --> 0:23:44.880 based on what I just said. So you hear about well, okay, 0:23:44.920 --> 0:23:48.639 there's the money going well, crime prevention okay, good affordable housing, 0:23:48.760 --> 0:23:51.119 you know, okay, we need to do that, and disrupting poverty, 0:23:51.160 --> 0:23:54.040 Poverty the root cause of so much to the violence. Okay, 0:23:54.320 --> 0:23:58.320 And that's true. If you're poor, you know there's a 0:23:58.359 --> 0:24:00.960 higher likelihood you're involved in crime. But the reality is 0:24:01.119 --> 0:24:04.879 most poor people aren't criminals. If you look around the 0:24:04.920 --> 0:24:08.800 United States, most poor people are not out there robbing, stealing, raping, 0:24:08.840 --> 0:24:10.960 and going out. It's about one percent of the population. 0:24:11.640 --> 0:24:13.399 So that' said, if I give you more money to 0:24:13.440 --> 0:24:17.200 fight crime in the root cause of violence is poverty. Okay, 0:24:18.240 --> 0:24:19.960 we gave you one hundred and fifty thousand dollars for 0:24:20.000 --> 0:24:22.840 the cameras. And then when we had the murder of 0:24:22.880 --> 0:24:25.280 an eleven year old girl who talked about innocent children, 0:24:25.280 --> 0:24:28.080 eleven year old girl playing the playground on New Year's Day. 0:24:30.040 --> 0:24:30.800 And there's no. 0:24:30.880 --> 0:24:33.119 Video despite the fact that we're supposed to be came 0:24:33.200 --> 0:24:35.720 working cameras up and they weren't. That caused the question 0:24:35.840 --> 0:24:41.280 your competency. Also, this is outside the control of the mayor, 0:24:41.320 --> 0:24:46.200 a council person or certainly Hamilin County commissioner. Is that 0:24:47.440 --> 0:24:50.359 when Ryan Hinton did what he did on that day 0:24:50.880 --> 0:24:54.280 and set this whole thing in motion, culminating with the 0:24:54.359 --> 0:24:56.680 murder of Larry Henderson and all the discussions we're having 0:24:56.720 --> 0:25:01.080 right now with his dad, Ryan Hinton his three colleagues 0:25:01.119 --> 0:25:04.119 at that time as co perpetrators. One of them is 0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:06.640 yet to have a court date, but just yesterday. These 0:25:06.640 --> 0:25:10.480 are individuals, young individuals who had prior run ins with 0:25:10.520 --> 0:25:12.679 the lost so they had a jacket. They also were 0:25:12.680 --> 0:25:16.119 in the commission of a felony stealing cars, not the 0:25:16.119 --> 0:25:18.399 first time they did this, stealing my car and using 0:25:18.440 --> 0:25:20.480 it with a gun. Now it wasn't just Ryan Hitton 0:25:20.480 --> 0:25:22.720 who had a gun. One of the other guys had 0:25:22.720 --> 0:25:26.320 a gun and left it in the car. Fortunately that's 0:25:26.320 --> 0:25:28.720 why he's alive and Ryan Hinton isn't. That was his decision, 0:25:29.000 --> 0:25:31.120 in a day of really really bad decisions and maybe 0:25:31.119 --> 0:25:34.840 a whole lifetime i'llbeit short of bad decisions, that was 0:25:34.840 --> 0:25:37.880 a good decision. Don't bring the gun with me. Look 0:25:37.880 --> 0:25:42.960 what happened to Ryan Hinton and that individual received ten 0:25:43.000 --> 0:25:46.719 months in jail. Now you already had priors. Does that 0:25:46.720 --> 0:25:50.640 seem a little light? The other individual just got probation 0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:54.359 and we know how a lot of these individuals, I 0:25:54.400 --> 0:25:56.840 can't say about this particular run will see, but a 0:25:56.840 --> 0:25:58.720 lot of them simply just don't care. You know, people 0:25:58.800 --> 0:26:00.720 are ordered to get a job, report back to court 0:26:00.760 --> 0:26:02.480 and they just simply go, yeah, yeah, I'll absolutely but 0:26:02.480 --> 0:26:05.240 then literally commit crimes the minute they leave and thumb, 0:26:05.280 --> 0:26:07.919 their nose up in the system. How is money going 0:26:08.000 --> 0:26:11.840 to solve that? How is you how them going into 0:26:11.880 --> 0:26:13.120 your pocket? We need more money. 0:26:13.160 --> 0:26:15.560 We got to disrupt poverty. How do you disrupt poverty? 0:26:15.920 --> 0:26:18.320 Poverty has been around since the world's been turning, and 0:26:18.359 --> 0:26:20.320 you can make an argue in America that that gap 0:26:20.359 --> 0:26:22.200 between the haves and the have nots is getting greater. 0:26:22.280 --> 0:26:24.679 Sure I believe that now. 0:26:26.040 --> 0:26:27.800 Is it is it the government's job to take that 0:26:27.920 --> 0:26:31.639 money and redistribute it for programs? Because I, again I 0:26:31.680 --> 0:26:34.159 see better than I hear. We've had a couple of 0:26:34.240 --> 0:26:38.680 generations now since the War on Poverty began under Lyndon 0:26:38.720 --> 0:26:40.960 Bains Johnson. Then there are wars on poverty prior to that. 0:26:41.040 --> 0:26:43.639 You can argue FDR the Great Depression, but you know 0:26:43.760 --> 0:26:47.520 this one in more recent era, Lyndon Bains Johnson took 0:26:47.520 --> 0:26:49.119 over for Kenny said, you know, we're gonna initiate a 0:26:49.119 --> 0:26:52.120 lot of Kennedy's program uh programs. We're also gonna throw 0:26:52.160 --> 0:26:54.840 some gas on the fire here too, and we're gonna 0:26:54.840 --> 0:26:56.840 have this project where we're you know, we're gonna we're 0:26:56.880 --> 0:26:58.840 gonna solve probab, We're gonna wipe out poverty. We're gonna 0:26:58.840 --> 0:27:00.680 take this money and dedicate it and we're going to 0:27:00.720 --> 0:27:02.639 build housing projects and we're lift people up. And what 0:27:02.600 --> 0:27:04.720 wind up happening is you just created a couple more 0:27:04.760 --> 0:27:07.679 generations of poor people. So the idea of spending the 0:27:07.720 --> 0:27:09.520 money the way to do that. Of course, you gave 0:27:09.560 --> 0:27:12.160 people money, and then there's a solid argument for saying, well, 0:27:12.240 --> 0:27:16.480 if you continue to give people money. You know, the 0:27:16.520 --> 0:27:19.560 old adage about teaching a man to fish applies here. 0:27:20.720 --> 0:27:22.880 That is, we give you money, and it doesn't really 0:27:22.880 --> 0:27:24.760 teach you how to be self sustaining. That is, to 0:27:24.800 --> 0:27:27.960 teach you to fish, not give you fish. Right, And 0:27:28.520 --> 0:27:32.359 some people, unfortunately, because of situations in life, maybe mental issues, 0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:34.439 health issues, or other reasons, can't do that. 0:27:34.480 --> 0:27:36.040 I get that, but that's not everybody. 0:27:36.280 --> 0:27:38.840 And so we created generations of people simply depending on 0:27:38.880 --> 0:27:40.000 a system. 0:27:40.640 --> 0:27:41.400 That's a problem. 0:27:42.359 --> 0:27:42.520 You know. 0:27:42.560 --> 0:27:43.959 I was kind of thinking this though the break here 0:27:44.080 --> 0:27:46.240 just saw news mount Orb for example. This is something 0:27:46.280 --> 0:27:47.919 totally unrelated, but I'll make it related. 0:27:48.320 --> 0:27:48.760 Mount of Orb. 0:27:48.800 --> 0:27:51.240 They're discussing one of these data centers. You know, data 0:27:51.240 --> 0:27:53.800 center's going on a lover the Wilmington's battling at Hamilton 0:27:54.080 --> 0:27:57.320 and Butler Counties, Battling and Mount orb Ohio is I 0:27:57.359 --> 0:27:59.119 think fifth in the country when it comes to this 0:27:59.200 --> 0:28:00.840 new technology data centers. 0:28:00.880 --> 0:28:03.159 We have space outside of the big cities. We have space. 0:28:03.240 --> 0:28:05.640 Makes sense, right, you put these huge farms. Now there's 0:28:05.640 --> 0:28:08.000 gonna be drained on energy supplies, and of course we're 0:28:08.000 --> 0:28:09.720 I always talk about this word a crisis when it 0:28:09.760 --> 0:28:13.960 comes to our supply of reliable energy. Yeah, you can 0:28:14.040 --> 0:28:15.920 get that from the United States, but it's also about 0:28:15.920 --> 0:28:19.800 transmission and generation and transmission. You can, you know, drill baby, drill, 0:28:19.840 --> 0:28:21.600 all the all you want, but you got to build 0:28:21.600 --> 0:28:22.840 a plant and then you got to figure out how 0:28:22.840 --> 0:28:24.919 to get it from point A to point B. With electricity, 0:28:24.920 --> 0:28:28.520 it's even more difficult. It's even more difficult. And so 0:28:28.600 --> 0:28:30.679 you look at these farms that are going in, these 0:28:30.760 --> 0:28:33.560 huge expanses of data centers are going and out in 0:28:33.600 --> 0:28:37.719 the rural areas. You know, we do have some vacant 0:28:37.720 --> 0:28:41.600 spaces downtown with COVID and of course the work from 0:28:41.600 --> 0:28:44.440 Home Initiative. Now a lot of companies are mandating return 0:28:44.480 --> 0:28:47.520 to work. We're turned off. But downtown real estate, rental, 0:28:47.520 --> 0:28:48.719 real esa is not where it used to be. It's 0:28:48.760 --> 0:28:50.080 not a guy. This is probably not going to come 0:28:50.080 --> 0:28:52.120 back in that regard too, simply because we've moved on. 0:28:53.640 --> 0:28:56.840 As we saw during the nineteen sixties and fifties and sixties, 0:28:56.880 --> 0:29:00.000 when we build highways that got people to the suburbs, 0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:01.880 and then of course crimes started to re or it's 0:29:01.920 --> 0:29:04.080 ugly head in the cities and people moved to the suburbs, 0:29:04.120 --> 0:29:05.560 and it took the tax spase out. And we're talking 0:29:05.560 --> 0:29:07.800 about that and it all fits together. I think the 0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:10.600 same is true when it comes to that. So we've 0:29:10.600 --> 0:29:12.200 got all these data centers that are going in out 0:29:12.240 --> 0:29:14.600 in the rural areas, maybe it's time to flip the script. 0:29:14.600 --> 0:29:18.680 And you know, we've got some vacant buildings downtown or 0:29:18.720 --> 0:29:21.880 some areas anyway we've got You need water, So there's 0:29:21.920 --> 0:29:24.480 the Ohio River right there, largest source of water we 0:29:24.520 --> 0:29:28.360 have in our area. And you already have infrastructure in place, 0:29:28.480 --> 0:29:32.360 meaning electricita. What instead of building out, could you build up? 0:29:33.640 --> 0:29:35.880 Could you do a number of smaller data centers in 0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:39.480 a city like Cincinnati. Is that something you should look at? Now, 0:29:39.480 --> 0:29:41.920 Grant it's not virgin real estate and you start from scratch, 0:29:41.960 --> 0:29:43.959 and yeah, but the kind I understand, you know, building, 0:29:44.000 --> 0:29:46.000 and it just won't work in a a in a 0:29:46.000 --> 0:29:47.880 skyscraper if you will in one of these buildings. But 0:29:49.440 --> 0:29:51.680 and and you know, maybe those vacancy rates are completely 0:29:51.760 --> 0:29:53.680 But I'm thinking of the cities like you know, Dayton 0:29:53.800 --> 0:29:57.120 or Toledo or places like that where you know you 0:29:57.160 --> 0:29:59.600 have a lot of vacancies downtown. I mean, maybe that's 0:29:59.600 --> 0:30:02.240 something to look at. Anyone saying instead of the you know, 0:30:02.320 --> 0:30:04.000 the rural counties, do we try and learn some of 0:30:04.000 --> 0:30:06.760 these data centers to Hamilton County and help the tax 0:30:06.840 --> 0:30:10.920 base there? We have the we have, we have real estate, 0:30:11.000 --> 0:30:13.600 so to speak. Maybe it's not wide and expansive. Instead 0:30:13.600 --> 0:30:15.400 of going out, you go up. But is that something 0:30:15.440 --> 0:30:17.480 to look at? Is that something to consider? I don't know, 0:30:17.520 --> 0:30:21.600 that's way outside my scope of knowing why that would 0:30:21.720 --> 0:30:24.520 would I guess it seems like it makes sense to me. 0:30:24.640 --> 0:30:26.440 But I guess there's reasons you can make as to 0:30:26.480 --> 0:30:29.480 why that wouldn't work either. But just thinking in those 0:30:29.560 --> 0:30:32.160 terms is like, how do we instead of taking tax 0:30:32.200 --> 0:30:34.200 money and giving it back to people in the form 0:30:34.240 --> 0:30:37.760 of subsidy, how do we create more jobs for folks? 0:30:37.840 --> 0:30:40.080 And you know, the data centers in Cincinnati, Hamilin County. 0:30:40.080 --> 0:30:42.400 That seems to me a good idea. Now, of course 0:30:42.440 --> 0:30:44.800 you would have because of the nature of politics here 0:30:44.840 --> 0:30:47.520 being more blue than red in the county, especially in 0:30:47.520 --> 0:30:50.000 the city, or it's deep blue, you're gonna have the 0:30:50.080 --> 0:30:52.440 environmental assault worked up about that. But you know it's 0:30:52.480 --> 0:30:55.120 the energy you all the look at it this way. 0:30:55.280 --> 0:30:57.120 All of the protests that we have, whether it's Minnesota 0:30:57.200 --> 0:31:03.040 or anything else, it all begins online. So we're really 0:31:03.040 --> 0:31:05.680 good at being NIMBYs. Not in my backyard. So we 0:31:05.760 --> 0:31:10.920 want the data, we want the infrastructure. We demand information 0:31:11.040 --> 0:31:14.480 on demand, and yet when we have okay, well we've 0:31:14.520 --> 0:31:15.640 got to figure out a way to get it to 0:31:15.680 --> 0:31:18.000 you faster, be more consistent about it as we had 0:31:18.040 --> 0:31:20.640 an AI. Yeah, well we don't want that in our area. 0:31:20.680 --> 0:31:22.680 You want to use it, but we don't want We 0:31:22.680 --> 0:31:24.960 don't want the infrastructure. It doesn't make a lot of sense. 0:31:25.000 --> 0:31:26.680 I get it, but it doesn't make a lot of sense. 0:31:28.000 --> 0:31:29.960 Like if you want yo look at it this way. 0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:33.640 Just one was last week at and T. But Verizon 0:31:33.680 --> 0:31:36.280 went down and it had more to do with AI 0:31:36.440 --> 0:31:38.280 than it did. There's no hack or anything like that. 0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:41.240 It wasn't malware or something the network and people online. 0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:43.480 They're losing their minds. They're mad at Verizon because it 0:31:43.520 --> 0:31:45.480 went down, and maybe you should be because they're using 0:31:45.520 --> 0:31:48.280 AI I guess to expand their network but instead of 0:31:48.320 --> 0:31:50.520 real people. And maybe we're not ready for that yet. 0:31:50.560 --> 0:31:52.440 But you don't know until you try. And it was 0:31:52.480 --> 0:31:54.480 down to people. I'm trying to get this in verdecation. 0:31:54.520 --> 0:31:56.400 I can't and they're losing their minds over this stuff. 0:31:57.560 --> 0:31:58.960 Like well, at the same time, are these the same 0:31:58.960 --> 0:32:01.320 people that would protest building a data center. It's like, 0:32:01.400 --> 0:32:03.360 you know, we want I want to use the phone. 0:32:03.400 --> 0:32:06.200 I want I demand information in the blink of an eye, 0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:10.440 and I want to have AI solve complex problems or 0:32:10.440 --> 0:32:13.080 answer tough questions for me, or take all this data 0:32:13.080 --> 0:32:15.320 that I have and break it down into and basically 0:32:15.360 --> 0:32:18.479 do my job for me, which is awesome. But I 0:32:18.520 --> 0:32:22.240 don't want the data centers going in my neighborhood. I 0:32:22.280 --> 0:32:23.320 want to go somewhere else. 0:32:25.080 --> 0:32:25.520 I don't know. 0:32:25.800 --> 0:32:28.080 It seems like, okay, well, why don't we do that 0:32:28.240 --> 0:32:31.240 in cities that are struggling and looking for tax revenue? 0:32:31.760 --> 0:32:35.280 Seems to it seems to be something to look at. Hey, 0:32:35.280 --> 0:32:36.600 real quick on this. Let me get to a Steve 0:32:36.640 --> 0:32:38.320 on a sale on seven hundred Wwteve? 0:32:39.640 --> 0:32:43.200 Hey, yeah, quick, note, you can't go off instead of 0:32:43.240 --> 0:32:46.840 wide when you're building data centers because of poward load 0:32:47.200 --> 0:32:50.600 requirements for going up are so high in cost. 0:32:51.000 --> 0:32:53.200 I'm trying you broke up the what the what going up? 0:32:53.280 --> 0:32:56.520 Is the poor loading cost? 0:32:56.720 --> 0:32:58.440 Oh okay, I got you. 0:32:59.520 --> 0:33:02.080 Yes, So I did many of projects for AT and 0:33:02.120 --> 0:33:04.840 T and we would go into buildings, then we would 0:33:04.920 --> 0:33:08.640 have to do a whole buildout of infrastructure for foreloading. 0:33:09.480 --> 0:33:11.920 Gotcha, battery makes sense? Yeah? 0:33:12.000 --> 0:33:15.440 Yeah, So yeah, what is this something you think you 0:33:15.480 --> 0:33:16.920 think there'd be a way to do well? I mean 0:33:16.920 --> 0:33:18.320 I looking at some of the areas, and you know 0:33:18.320 --> 0:33:20.360 people are always well, we're wiping out a whole city 0:33:20.400 --> 0:33:24.440 block for this, and yeah, but you know the point 0:33:24.440 --> 0:33:27.320 of it is is let's look for reasons to bring 0:33:27.360 --> 0:33:29.840 revenue in as opposed as opposed to just going well, 0:33:29.840 --> 0:33:32.480 I guess you're going to raise your taxes us. Okay, 0:33:32.560 --> 0:33:33.800 So the load, the load of the flow, you did 0:33:33.840 --> 0:33:35.880 basically have to build an entirely new building. If you're 0:33:35.880 --> 0:33:37.400 going to do that, then the floors would be fifteen 0:33:37.440 --> 0:33:38.360 feet thre got. 0:33:38.160 --> 0:33:39.760 It, Yeah, exactly. 0:33:40.040 --> 0:33:43.000 And then the last comment also is like you said, 0:33:43.440 --> 0:33:45.959 but you said it in a more professional way than 0:33:46.000 --> 0:33:49.920 I would have. Hamblet County's pretty dag on blue and corrupt. 0:33:50.640 --> 0:33:54.479 So after doing many projects in this town or New 0:33:54.520 --> 0:33:57.600 York City, you know, it kind of goes back to 0:33:57.640 --> 0:33:59.959 the Rodney Dangerfield of school that came out. 0:34:00.320 --> 0:34:02.080 You got to grease to the wheel, got to pay 0:34:02.120 --> 0:34:04.640 off the unions. Got it well that you know, the 0:34:04.680 --> 0:34:07.640 deeper the blue, the more corrupt it is. But I 0:34:07.680 --> 0:34:09.480 will say the deeper the red the marker, the more 0:34:09.560 --> 0:34:11.839 the one side controls that, the more corruption you get. 0:34:11.880 --> 0:34:13.680 That's how it works. Slowly on the Home of the 0:34:13.719 --> 0:34:20.160 Red seven hundred w sincenat money money, money, money, money, money. 0:34:20.160 --> 0:34:23.440 Everybody wants more. Hamblet County may ask voters to increase 0:34:23.440 --> 0:34:26.520 the Children's Services levy. Last time we did this was 0:34:26.520 --> 0:34:29.160 about eight years ago. So the current funding is that 0:34:29.239 --> 0:34:31.280 we just don't have enough money for all the kids. 0:34:32.280 --> 0:34:34.560 And this is not new, Butler County is just going 0:34:34.640 --> 0:34:36.440 to They just introduced I think a new two mill 0:34:36.560 --> 0:34:38.040 levee that they want to pass as well. It's all 0:34:38.040 --> 0:34:41.239 over the state as well, because that poverty gap continues 0:34:41.280 --> 0:34:43.440 to increase. There's just not enough money anymore to care 0:34:43.440 --> 0:34:47.240 for the kids. And this would fund the abuse neglect hotlines, 0:34:47.280 --> 0:34:53.200 foster care, family preservation, reunification, independent living programs. I'm involved, 0:34:53.239 --> 0:34:54.680 as you know, King of Mardi Gras coming up in 0:34:54.719 --> 0:34:58.200 Northern Kentucky Convention Center on Fat Tuesday. We raise money 0:34:58.239 --> 0:35:02.359 to feed kids for three agencies here in Cincinnati, and 0:35:02.400 --> 0:35:05.960 so it's a very real thing. Currently, the cost for 0:35:06.000 --> 0:35:08.520 this levy is eighty one bucks per hundred one hundred 0:35:08.560 --> 0:35:11.440 thousand dollars of home value. This one would increase at 0:35:11.480 --> 0:35:14.600 minimum eighty percent and eighty percent increase at minimum on 0:35:14.640 --> 0:35:17.879 that's joining the show is our good friend, Hamlin County 0:35:17.880 --> 0:35:19.520 Commissioner Alisha Reese. 0:35:19.719 --> 0:35:20.680 Welcome back. How are you. 0:35:21.640 --> 0:35:22.439 I'm doing good? 0:35:22.640 --> 0:35:23.560 Long Happy new. 0:35:23.520 --> 0:35:25.440 Year, Happy new Year. I don't know if it's a 0:35:25.440 --> 0:35:29.360 happy new year yet. And I'm looking at these numbers. 0:35:30.080 --> 0:35:31.799 I got to be honest with you, I'm like, it's 0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:34.640 making me blush. You know, a minimum eighty percent increase, 0:35:34.719 --> 0:35:38.360 the optimal number would double that from sixty five million 0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:40.960 to one hundred and twenty three million dollars. The ideal 0:35:41.000 --> 0:35:45.279 funding levels one hundred and twenty three. That's Alicia. You know, 0:35:45.360 --> 0:35:48.000 we've got you. You're out all the time. You talk about, hey, 0:35:48.040 --> 0:35:50.200 you know the stadium thing and you're not getting your 0:35:50.239 --> 0:35:53.120 money back from that, and then the property tax valuations. 0:35:53.160 --> 0:35:55.840 And I also I look at all these things, the 0:35:55.920 --> 0:35:58.879 cost of livings going through the roof as well. It's 0:35:58.920 --> 0:36:01.880 never a good time to ind so levy. But boy, 0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:04.360 you're not. I'm looking at this going this is a 0:36:04.400 --> 0:36:05.160 tough ask. 0:36:05.000 --> 0:36:08.560 Right now, no one, It definitely is. 0:36:08.640 --> 0:36:12.000 I mean, it's the timing of doing something like this, 0:36:12.160 --> 0:36:14.040 and one of the things we've got to do. I 0:36:14.160 --> 0:36:18.200 wasn't on the commission, uh, you know, eight years ago. Uh. 0:36:18.239 --> 0:36:20.319 But when I came on the commission, they said they 0:36:20.320 --> 0:36:23.839 had combined two levies and at that time we would have, 0:36:24.160 --> 0:36:24.399 you know. 0:36:24.440 --> 0:36:25.880 Additional money. 0:36:25.920 --> 0:36:30.160 And in twenty twenty four December had been asking about 0:36:30.560 --> 0:36:33.960 how much money do we have in the reserves and 0:36:34.040 --> 0:36:36.879 at that time is that they said one hundred. 0:36:36.760 --> 0:36:40.160 Million dollars in reserves. That's twenty twenty four December. 0:36:40.840 --> 0:36:45.000 Now you fast forward at twenty twenty five of December, 0:36:45.480 --> 0:36:48.000 it was well, wait a minute, now we have a 0:36:48.520 --> 0:36:52.719 thirty million dollars potential gap. Uh, in order to make 0:36:52.760 --> 0:36:55.600 it and keep things going. Uh, And so I said, 0:36:55.640 --> 0:36:57.520 wait a minute. You know, I'm going to ask what 0:36:57.600 --> 0:37:00.440 the taxpayers are going to ask, how are did you 0:37:00.480 --> 0:37:00.759 have one. 0:37:00.760 --> 0:37:02.760 Hundred million dollars in reserves? 0:37:03.320 --> 0:37:08.719 Now you're bankrupt almost and now just in time to 0:37:08.800 --> 0:37:11.960 have a levee. And so I've been asking those questions 0:37:12.080 --> 0:37:15.279 is people have asked me and the timing is just 0:37:15.440 --> 0:37:19.960 the horrible you know. Number one, the reason there is 0:37:19.960 --> 0:37:23.279 this children's services levee because we have unfunded mandates by 0:37:23.320 --> 0:37:26.000 the states that we have to pay for this and 0:37:26.320 --> 0:37:28.680 it'll come out of the general fund and those kind 0:37:28.719 --> 0:37:31.399 of things if we don't have the levees. I call 0:37:31.480 --> 0:37:34.960 it trickle down taxation from the state. They say we 0:37:35.040 --> 0:37:38.120 cut at the state, but then mandate at the local 0:37:38.200 --> 0:37:43.239 level to raise taxes. I am not convinced to move 0:37:43.360 --> 0:37:47.959 toward more money right now, yet I want to get 0:37:48.000 --> 0:37:51.400 all the information because I'm looking at the timing of this. 0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:56.840 Homeowners are getting their tax bill. It's an increase on 0:37:56.960 --> 0:38:01.920 property taxes. At the same time as you've vindicated, the 0:38:02.000 --> 0:38:04.359 city is looking at if you live in the city 0:38:04.360 --> 0:38:07.640 of Cincinnati, they're looking at an income tax increase. So 0:38:07.760 --> 0:38:11.319 now your check is gonna get shorter at the same time, 0:38:11.440 --> 0:38:12.080 your gas and. 0:38:12.080 --> 0:38:15.320 Electric have gone up. Some people have tripled. 0:38:15.719 --> 0:38:20.400 Water bills was an increase at the same time, and 0:38:21.160 --> 0:38:23.880 a lot of people, some people have even lost their jobs, 0:38:23.920 --> 0:38:27.479 have been forced into retirement. Inflation is there. It can't 0:38:27.520 --> 0:38:32.399 go to the grocery store and buy anything because that's 0:38:32.480 --> 0:38:34.960 jumping out the roof. And so we've got to look 0:38:35.000 --> 0:38:37.040 at these things at timing and at the same time, 0:38:37.520 --> 0:38:41.160 as government entities, we must look at everything, not in 0:38:41.239 --> 0:38:45.279 a silo, but in general. In other words, we can't 0:38:45.360 --> 0:38:48.560 look at the Bengals deal as a separate thing. And 0:38:48.600 --> 0:38:50.520 we got money, and we can make it work and 0:38:50.560 --> 0:38:54.279 we can get creative, which I voted against because it 0:38:54.440 --> 0:38:55.160 cut out. 0:38:55.360 --> 0:38:56.759 The homeowners getting a break. 0:38:57.160 --> 0:38:59.560 Now on the other side, so we gave that deal 0:38:59.600 --> 0:39:02.560 away with no break to the homeowners of thirty percent. 0:39:03.360 --> 0:39:05.719 Now we come over here, and now you want to 0:39:05.760 --> 0:39:09.600 say what the homeowner's got to pay it increase because 0:39:09.880 --> 0:39:12.560 over here we don't have any money. And so I'm 0:39:12.680 --> 0:39:14.960 one that don't think does not think that these are 0:39:14.960 --> 0:39:18.200 two sets of different money, because they all are. You know, 0:39:18.239 --> 0:39:20.560 that comes from sales tax and those kinds of things, 0:39:20.960 --> 0:39:23.279 and we have to. We can't be over here said 0:39:23.360 --> 0:39:26.920 no money, and then over here we're talking about arenas, 0:39:27.239 --> 0:39:31.239 we're talking about eight hundred million dollars, potentially, idea on 0:39:31.320 --> 0:39:35.120 the bank. We're talking all these things on here. But 0:39:35.160 --> 0:39:37.080 then when it at the end, you say, I want 0:39:37.080 --> 0:39:41.360 the taxpayers, the homeowners who barely can make it to 0:39:41.440 --> 0:39:44.400 pay for everything, and we get to them, we're broken. 0:39:44.560 --> 0:39:47.680 But we need to develop that arenas. 0:39:48.160 --> 0:39:50.759 Ye arenas, they bring money and we we you know, 0:39:50.800 --> 0:39:53.000 we need that outside money to come here, Convention Center, 0:39:53.080 --> 0:39:53.600 all that stuff. 0:39:53.600 --> 0:39:55.600 That's good. That's how you increase the tax base and 0:39:55.800 --> 0:39:56.480 produce the brank. 0:39:57.880 --> 0:40:00.560 I agree. I agree that we want money to come in, 0:40:00.960 --> 0:40:03.120 but when we have the money that comes in, I'm 0:40:03.120 --> 0:40:06.040 looking where it's going. I mean, we're doing things and 0:40:06.080 --> 0:40:08.480 it's not going to help us. I'm or you know, 0:40:08.560 --> 0:40:10.960 I'm tourism former assistant director for. 0:40:10.960 --> 0:40:12.120 The whole state and everything. 0:40:12.320 --> 0:40:14.960 Those dollars should be going in to reduce the cost 0:40:15.040 --> 0:40:18.320 on the homeowners. Those dollars don't do that. Those dollars 0:40:18.360 --> 0:40:21.799 come in and now we're on another development and then 0:40:21.840 --> 0:40:24.640 they don't have to pay taxes. It's an abatement, it's 0:40:24.640 --> 0:40:28.040 a you know free, we're taxing everybody, but nothing. I'm 0:40:28.040 --> 0:40:30.360 looking at the pot. I'm thinking the same thing you're thinking. 0:40:30.680 --> 0:40:33.000 We bring all this money in, it's to go over 0:40:33.040 --> 0:40:36.560 here and now we'll help the homeowners and the local people. 0:40:36.640 --> 0:40:39.799 But it doesn't do that because we haven't put our 0:40:39.800 --> 0:40:42.439 foot down to make sure that it does that. There's 0:40:42.440 --> 0:40:45.279 these dollars, these oh we if we do this, this 0:40:46.400 --> 0:40:48.560 Bengal deal, we could have got I think, a better 0:40:48.640 --> 0:40:51.759 deal and gotten where the homeowners wouldn't have had to 0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:53.120 be written out of the deal. 0:40:53.480 --> 0:40:54.200 But we did it. 0:40:54.560 --> 0:40:57.799 So we've got to be more intentional. And that's my fight. 0:40:57.960 --> 0:41:01.480 My fight is we can't look at these is siloed 0:41:01.480 --> 0:41:04.040 because if I'm grandma with my house and I look 0:41:04.120 --> 0:41:06.600 and see in the newspaper that you got a you know, 0:41:06.920 --> 0:41:10.360 a three hundred and fifty million dollar deal with to 0:41:10.400 --> 0:41:12.799 take for example, the Bengals deal, we wanted to have 0:41:12.840 --> 0:41:16.160 some state money so we can reduce our money, so 0:41:16.200 --> 0:41:19.040 we can have the homeowners. Guess what, we didn't get that. 0:41:19.160 --> 0:41:21.240 Now they're saying, we're going to go for state money. 0:41:21.280 --> 0:41:24.560 And I asked the administrator, if we get this state money, 0:41:24.800 --> 0:41:27.600 will that reduce the cost. So now we can give 0:41:27.640 --> 0:41:30.080 the homeowners a big break. He said, no, that we 0:41:30.120 --> 0:41:32.320 would have to do matching money. 0:41:32.360 --> 0:41:33.360 That's more money. 0:41:33.880 --> 0:41:35.920 So if we go to state, now there's more money. 0:41:35.960 --> 0:41:40.520 So there hasn't been enough intentionality saying every deal we 0:41:40.640 --> 0:41:46.160 must leverage in order to cut the cost on the 0:41:46.239 --> 0:41:50.040 local taxpayers. And that's what they're not seeing. They're not 0:41:50.200 --> 0:41:53.759 seeing that that is happening, and so unfortunately, well we're 0:41:53.760 --> 0:41:56.960 in this situation. But let me just say, in Adams 0:41:57.000 --> 0:41:59.600 County it went to the ballot children, and these are 0:41:59.600 --> 0:42:01.920 people normally vote for it. I mean, like you said, 0:42:02.280 --> 0:42:05.000 Adams County, they said they couldn't afford it. They voted 0:42:05.040 --> 0:42:09.160 it down. Claremont County said they couldn't afford they voted it. 0:42:09.800 --> 0:42:11.880 So we're in a situation. Yeah, we're in a situation 0:42:11.920 --> 0:42:14.240 where people don't want to make that choice, but they're 0:42:14.239 --> 0:42:17.600 making choices between do I save my house, do I 0:42:17.640 --> 0:42:21.440 be about my groceres, my medicine because they keep putting 0:42:21.520 --> 0:42:24.799 taxes on top of them and the costs keeps going up. 0:42:25.719 --> 0:42:29.200 You're not selling this vote for it. 0:42:29.239 --> 0:42:34.480 If this thing fails, I'm saying, well, well, one of 0:42:34.520 --> 0:42:36.600 the things that we're looking at, Plan a is. I 0:42:36.719 --> 0:42:40.120 told them, minister, let's come and be creative and see 0:42:40.160 --> 0:42:43.880 have we looked at everything to be creative, not do 0:42:44.000 --> 0:42:47.880 what we always been doing. Let's see what's what's available 0:42:47.960 --> 0:42:50.920 to what would be the level? You know most of 0:42:50.920 --> 0:42:54.120 the time we put things on they've being flat. 0:42:54.520 --> 0:42:55.560 What would be the level? 0:42:55.960 --> 0:42:59.080 Uh. The other thing is going to the state seeing 0:42:59.200 --> 0:43:01.680 you know, the governor can you help because this has 0:43:01.680 --> 0:43:04.319 been a big thing and these are state mandates. So 0:43:04.360 --> 0:43:07.560 for me, I want to comb everything first, is what 0:43:07.600 --> 0:43:10.040 I'm saying. I'm not telling people not to vote. And 0:43:10.040 --> 0:43:13.520 then the other thing is out there options. Can you 0:43:13.560 --> 0:43:16.600 put options on a ballot? Can you put a B 0:43:16.760 --> 0:43:20.319 and C on a ballot? Or do you only have 0:43:20.440 --> 0:43:23.080 to do one number? You know what I'm saying. So 0:43:23.080 --> 0:43:25.080 people say, well, wait a minute. I want to support it, 0:43:25.120 --> 0:43:27.080 but I can't go to this level. But I could 0:43:27.120 --> 0:43:28.960 go to this level, why I wait till it get 0:43:29.040 --> 0:43:32.480 voted down and then come back with a smaller level. 0:43:32.719 --> 0:43:34.799 So I don't know what those are, but I said, 0:43:35.080 --> 0:43:38.960 these are difficult and different times, so we have to 0:43:39.000 --> 0:43:42.160 think differently. So we definitely got to support our children. 0:43:43.040 --> 0:43:47.080 I've certainly have been about that youth employment and foster 0:43:47.280 --> 0:43:50.280 care and those kinds of things. But I also think 0:43:50.400 --> 0:43:54.400 that we've got to come up with some other solutions 0:43:54.480 --> 0:43:59.920 because what's happening with the foster care the providers are 0:44:00.160 --> 0:44:03.040 charging us out the roofs now and they're they're not 0:44:03.120 --> 0:44:06.359 even doing RFPs with us. They just sit back and say, 0:44:06.400 --> 0:44:08.319 you know you're desperate, you're gonna come to us, and 0:44:08.360 --> 0:44:11.520 now we're gonna price gal And so what are we 0:44:11.600 --> 0:44:14.759 gonna do about the price galage? Because it's not If 0:44:14.800 --> 0:44:17.920 we can't stop the bleeding, it's gonna continue to go up, 0:44:18.280 --> 0:44:21.000 up and up. So I'm looking for us to put 0:44:21.040 --> 0:44:23.400 all our thinking caps on and look at the what 0:44:23.560 --> 0:44:26.920 is the best way, But take everything into consideration is 0:44:26.960 --> 0:44:31.000 what I'm saying. Everything into consideration and put it together 0:44:31.239 --> 0:44:33.440 and uh, let's see where we go from there. But 0:44:33.520 --> 0:44:35.520 that's you know, we're in a tough spot right now. 0:44:36.520 --> 0:44:38.600 But we've got to think it through because I would 0:44:38.640 --> 0:44:41.239 hate for it. You know, what happened in Adams County 0:44:41.239 --> 0:44:43.440 would happen in Claremont County. But if for us that 0:44:43.520 --> 0:44:46.040 you go back to the drawing board. So my thing is, 0:44:46.080 --> 0:44:47.759 let's don't go back to the drawing board. Let's go 0:44:47.840 --> 0:44:51.040 to the drawing board now and try to see if 0:44:51.040 --> 0:44:53.320 we could come with something that would be a more balance. 0:44:54.640 --> 0:44:57.960 Alicia Reese, we've seen this happen before in the county 0:44:57.960 --> 0:44:59.600 but also well as the city pretty much everywhere is 0:45:00.000 --> 0:45:01.520 all right, you weren't around, you were in an office 0:45:01.520 --> 0:45:05.279 in twenty eighteen when this was last passed. Why did 0:45:05.320 --> 0:45:08.359 the county wait until the cost became so unsustainable rather 0:45:08.400 --> 0:45:10.480 than pursuing smaller, more frequent increases. 0:45:10.520 --> 0:45:12.040 And you know, if. 0:45:11.960 --> 0:45:14.399 We are we just going to do this every year, 0:45:14.440 --> 0:45:16.200 and are we going to come back another ten years 0:45:16.200 --> 0:45:18.040 and go, oh, we need to triple it now? I mean, 0:45:18.600 --> 0:45:20.440 why not put this on the ballot sooner? 0:45:21.760 --> 0:45:23.960 You know, those was a very good question. I mean 0:45:24.000 --> 0:45:26.919 those are questions that I would I have, and that. 0:45:26.840 --> 0:45:27.800 We have to look at you. 0:45:27.920 --> 0:45:30.399 But I think people didn't want to have to vote 0:45:30.440 --> 0:45:33.760 on levees every single year. We have other levees as well. 0:45:34.719 --> 0:45:37.839 We've got the uh, you know, we've got the hospital levee, right, 0:45:38.200 --> 0:45:40.200 We've got a number of other levees. And I don't 0:45:40.200 --> 0:45:41.920 I don't think you know you're going to be on 0:45:41.960 --> 0:45:47.560 the ballot every year with a levee. But I also 0:45:47.680 --> 0:45:51.760 think that we've got to look at this rising cost 0:45:52.280 --> 0:45:57.719 price gouging if you will, of those facilities where we 0:45:57.840 --> 0:46:01.719 have to you know, place the chill in those facilities. 0:46:02.080 --> 0:46:04.600 But we got to do something about this price gouging. 0:46:04.640 --> 0:46:08.239 And that's why I think the governor and uh you know, 0:46:08.560 --> 0:46:12.600 possibly you know, the governor Attorney general to all get 0:46:12.640 --> 0:46:15.760 in place, because this is not just the Hamilton County problem. 0:46:15.840 --> 0:46:19.799 This is around the whole state of Ohio. And if 0:46:19.800 --> 0:46:22.360 we keep going in this way where you know, supplying 0:46:22.440 --> 0:46:27.680 demand right, it's going to really it's going to you know, 0:46:27.840 --> 0:46:31.200 bankrupt the taxpayers. And so that's why I want us 0:46:31.239 --> 0:46:34.359 to not just hey, we're putting a levee on, let's 0:46:34.360 --> 0:46:37.400 talk about how like you said, let's get some new ways, 0:46:37.440 --> 0:46:40.040 some new ideas, let's get some help from the state. 0:46:40.680 --> 0:46:43.200 Uh So when we do have something, we could tell 0:46:43.239 --> 0:46:45.960 the taxpayers that hey, this is not something that's gonna 0:46:46.440 --> 0:46:47.360 just keep them. 0:46:48.239 --> 0:46:50.279 Yeah, you know, it's a it's a tough ask. 0:46:50.400 --> 0:46:52.000 But at the same time, I think most of us 0:46:52.040 --> 0:46:54.960 are pretty empathetic towards us because we have kids, young, 0:46:55.000 --> 0:46:56.799 young kids who you know, you're born in this world, 0:46:56.800 --> 0:46:58.440 you don't get to choose how your parents are, your 0:46:58.480 --> 0:47:01.359 economic situation. We have no say that, and they are 0:47:01.480 --> 0:47:04.920 entering care with more intensive mental health problems, more behavioral issues, 0:47:04.920 --> 0:47:08.840 more developmental needs. The cases from the case because I 0:47:08.880 --> 0:47:10.960 talked to are getting more severe. There's an increase in 0:47:11.040 --> 0:47:14.200 total case load, and so the whole system, it's not 0:47:14.239 --> 0:47:16.320 just one air. It seems like the whole system is strained, 0:47:16.320 --> 0:47:18.640 and we got to figure out a way to fund that. 0:47:20.120 --> 0:47:20.319 Well. 0:47:20.840 --> 0:47:24.280 I definitely agree with you. I mean, these are innocent 0:47:24.719 --> 0:47:29.640 children who you know, it's not on them, and that's 0:47:29.640 --> 0:47:32.359 why I don't want to have a put the taxpayers 0:47:32.360 --> 0:47:35.400 in a position because we've had people that have been supportive. 0:47:35.440 --> 0:47:39.440 I mean, we've supported this. I feel like our county 0:47:39.520 --> 0:47:42.640 has been you know, we've always been one to step up. 0:47:43.560 --> 0:47:47.560 We want children to have a fair chance. Children are 0:47:47.560 --> 0:47:52.000 not born in equal circumstances, but we don't want to 0:47:52.080 --> 0:47:57.120 put the homeowner in that position. And that's what I'm 0:47:57.120 --> 0:47:59.480 trying to do because I'm hearing from people that they 0:47:59.520 --> 0:48:03.759 have normal support this and everything else. But I can't survive, 0:48:04.400 --> 0:48:07.359 and so we've got to have some kind of a 0:48:07.440 --> 0:48:12.840 balance so that the people who are allies don't become adversaries. 0:48:13.360 --> 0:48:15.880 And that's what I think we got to show that 0:48:15.960 --> 0:48:19.600 we've looked at everything. We trying something different where we 0:48:19.880 --> 0:48:22.239 we we've we've talked to it. We've got try to 0:48:22.239 --> 0:48:25.080 get the state involved where we're dealing with this price 0:48:25.200 --> 0:48:29.759 gouging of some of the placement areas that have you know, 0:48:29.920 --> 0:48:32.719 went up on not everybody, but there's some that have 0:48:32.960 --> 0:48:35.840 went skyrocketed. And that's how we went from one hundred 0:48:35.880 --> 0:48:40.480 million dollars in one year of one hundred million dollars 0:48:40.480 --> 0:48:43.160 that we had in reserve in one year. So now 0:48:43.680 --> 0:48:47.600 you know we're rope in terms of that. So we 0:48:47.600 --> 0:48:50.640 we've got to do something about that problem as well. 0:48:51.280 --> 0:48:53.600 And then I don't think it's just solved with just 0:48:53.800 --> 0:48:56.840 Jeff's the levee. We've got to now come with you know, 0:48:56.880 --> 0:48:57.319 here are. 0:48:57.239 --> 0:48:59.920 Some new parameters. 0:48:59.239 --> 0:49:02.120 Or some new things, like you said, so it just 0:49:02.160 --> 0:49:03.560 does a balloon out of control. 0:49:04.640 --> 0:49:06.520 How do you stay ahead of inflation? And that's the 0:49:06.560 --> 0:49:08.440 thing is, uh, you know, we'll pay for this, but 0:49:08.680 --> 0:49:12.360 in short term, you know that's the budget's going to 0:49:12.400 --> 0:49:16.320 shrink anyway because of inflation out stabilizing some degree, but 0:49:16.400 --> 0:49:19.400 seems like the cost of everything is going on is 0:49:19.640 --> 0:49:21.399 that also the reason for the big ask here. 0:49:23.360 --> 0:49:27.440 Well, inflation is. But my understanding is that some of 0:49:27.480 --> 0:49:31.440 the providers and the care that we need, they around 0:49:31.480 --> 0:49:33.919 the state. This is a problem around the state. They 0:49:34.120 --> 0:49:37.799 skyrocketed their prices, you know what I'm saying, And we 0:49:37.840 --> 0:49:41.120 didn't have a choice. So either you take it or 0:49:41.200 --> 0:49:44.240 leave it. And those were the things that I understand. 0:49:44.239 --> 0:49:47.200 The consultants he had, the consultant, I don't know if 0:49:47.200 --> 0:49:51.239 he received the consultants had factored in some inflation. You know, 0:49:51.280 --> 0:49:54.120 you always cost the living, but they hadn't factored in 0:49:54.239 --> 0:49:59.120 that these providers that would not participate in the RFP 0:49:59.320 --> 0:50:02.000 process would sit back and say they got to come 0:50:02.040 --> 0:50:05.520 to us. And then when the county came to them, 0:50:05.560 --> 0:50:07.400 they said, this is the price, take it or lead it. 0:50:07.400 --> 0:50:09.799 They didn't factory was going to be that high. So 0:50:09.880 --> 0:50:14.279 I think inflation is something that I mean, of course 0:50:14.280 --> 0:50:16.200 you can't say how hot the inflation it's going to be, 0:50:16.440 --> 0:50:19.520 but it is factored in. We've got to kill our 0:50:19.600 --> 0:50:22.759 c group, and they do factor in some inflationary costs. 0:50:22.920 --> 0:50:25.480 But what was in factored in is I mean, these 0:50:25.600 --> 0:50:31.080 costs were astronomical and it was no choice because we 0:50:31.120 --> 0:50:36.440 are mandated to place the children in the care and 0:50:36.520 --> 0:50:38.640 they might be the only game in town you got 0:50:38.640 --> 0:50:41.239 me or around and it's not just in town, and 0:50:41.280 --> 0:50:44.120 they're seeing that across the whole state. And so that's 0:50:44.120 --> 0:50:46.640 why I think it's important that the governor intervened and 0:50:46.719 --> 0:50:50.440 maybe Attorney General to see is their price gouging going 0:50:50.480 --> 0:50:54.440 on at the expense of helping our children. 0:50:54.600 --> 0:50:56.600 Yeah, you know, if only we could have got more 0:50:56.640 --> 0:50:58.880 than the twenty five percent with the e Bengal Stadium 0:50:58.880 --> 0:51:03.400 deal from the team, they're a build up more money here, right. 0:51:03.800 --> 0:51:06.239 We got four percent only and if we could have 0:51:06.280 --> 0:51:08.439 got that, maybe the thirty percent could have helped. 0:51:08.440 --> 0:51:08.840 My money. 0:51:09.040 --> 0:51:13.040 Every bit help and every deal we look at. We've 0:51:13.080 --> 0:51:17.279 got to try to leverage every single deal because from 0:51:17.320 --> 0:51:19.960 a messaging standpoint, people are out there saying, well, wait 0:51:19.960 --> 0:51:22.319 a minute, you just did this over here and you 0:51:22.320 --> 0:51:24.799 couldn't give me a homeowner a break, And now over 0:51:24.840 --> 0:51:27.160 here you're gonna raise it over here, and then over 0:51:27.200 --> 0:51:30.399 here you're coming after my check with income tax. Wait 0:51:30.440 --> 0:51:32.000 a minute, now, Yeah. 0:51:31.800 --> 0:51:33.640 Because I had Seth I had Seth Walsho on at 0:51:33.719 --> 0:51:37.560 nine this morning talking about the city income tax increase 0:51:37.600 --> 0:51:39.040 as well. And you live in Hamlin County. If you 0:51:39.040 --> 0:51:40.719 live in the city, also live in Hamlin County. So 0:51:40.760 --> 0:51:42.880 here it's coming at you with both barrels. She is 0:51:43.040 --> 0:51:46.400 uh Alicia Reese on the show on seven hundred WW 0:51:46.440 --> 0:51:49.120 Hamlin County Commissioner. Next step is going to be figuring 0:51:49.120 --> 0:51:51.440 out whether this goes on the spring of the fall ballot. 0:51:51.440 --> 0:51:53.680 We'll pick up that conversation then you'd be well, thanks 0:51:53.719 --> 0:51:54.680 for jumping on this morning. 0:51:55.840 --> 0:51:58.680 Oh yeah, I appreciate it. And again, like I said, 0:51:58.680 --> 0:52:01.440 this is something that we need. So we need the governor, 0:52:01.480 --> 0:52:03.720 we need to turn in general, we've got to deal 0:52:03.800 --> 0:52:07.760 with the price gouging on the backs of our children 0:52:08.280 --> 0:52:12.040 and then creating this cost burden that comes all the 0:52:12.120 --> 0:52:15.440 way down to people who have been allies for children's 0:52:15.440 --> 0:52:18.400 services and now you're forcing them to make a choice 0:52:18.840 --> 0:52:22.840 between food on their table or helping our children. That's insane. 0:52:23.120 --> 0:52:26.120 And so I hope that we can get something worked 0:52:26.160 --> 0:52:28.239 out to help us with us. 0:52:28.440 --> 0:52:31.239 Yeah, fingers crossed. Be well, we'll talk on seon. Appreciate you, 0:52:31.520 --> 0:52:32.200 all right, thank you? 0:52:32.239 --> 0:52:34.000 All right, we'll get a news update and how about 0:52:34.040 --> 0:52:36.920 that and then just ahead it's Julie on the job. 0:52:37.000 --> 0:52:40.400 Julie Buki jumps in to talk about I wonder what 0:52:40.400 --> 0:52:43.920 we're talking. Oh, we're talking about the autoworker flipped off Trump, 0:52:44.040 --> 0:52:46.640 or Trump flipped off rather and because he said some 0:52:46.719 --> 0:52:47.920 unsavory things at the president. 0:52:47.920 --> 0:52:49.759 We'll get that next here seven hundred. 0:52:52.480 --> 0:52:55.760 Giving you a vocational leg up on everyone else. 0:52:57.760 --> 0:52:59.160 Here's our career, sir. 0:53:00.760 --> 0:53:03.839 Yeah, we kick around job stuff on Wednesday mornings. Here 0:53:03.880 --> 0:53:06.800 on seven hundred w Obody Scottsland Show. Julie Bouki jumping 0:53:06.840 --> 0:53:09.880 back in with the story of well, last week anyway, 0:53:09.960 --> 0:53:14.120 kind of a blip here Ford Motor Company now suspending TJ. Sabuelo, 0:53:14.239 --> 0:53:17.680 the guy who yelled at Trump as he was touring 0:53:18.080 --> 0:53:22.040 a Michigan truck. Factor there a pedophile predator, protect pedophile protector, 0:53:22.040 --> 0:53:24.680 I thinks when he yelled at Trump regarding the Epstein 0:53:24.760 --> 0:53:29.000 stuff and Trump Trump and Trump fashion flipped the guy off. Uh, 0:53:29.239 --> 0:53:32.359 President's fine, But the four year old line worker now 0:53:32.520 --> 0:53:34.719 has been suspended. Julie, welcome, How. 0:53:34.640 --> 0:53:34.960 Are you. 0:53:36.520 --> 0:53:37.040 Good morning? 0:53:37.080 --> 0:53:39.319 I promised to never flip you off, at least not 0:53:39.600 --> 0:53:40.120 to your face. 0:53:40.160 --> 0:53:41.000 Why wouldn't you do that? 0:53:42.719 --> 0:53:43.839 Yeah, I'd rather do it behind. 0:53:43.840 --> 0:53:46.080 It used to be. 0:53:46.560 --> 0:53:48.879 It used to be like a big deal, and now 0:53:49.000 --> 0:53:51.160 people do it all that, like there's you know, bumper 0:53:51.200 --> 0:53:53.920 stickers and T shirts. The President's doing it, so it's 0:53:53.960 --> 0:53:57.319 it's not as rebellious as it used to be. I mean, 0:53:57.400 --> 0:53:59.359 I say something you curse somebody had, and they flip 0:53:59.440 --> 0:54:01.839 you off as like why should we be offended? That's 0:54:01.880 --> 0:54:03.480 really not that offensive anymore, is it? 0:54:05.239 --> 0:54:05.480 You know? 0:54:05.880 --> 0:54:06.279 For sure? 0:54:06.360 --> 0:54:09.160 I mean when you look at just how common the 0:54:09.280 --> 0:54:13.399 F bomb is, Yeah, yeah, I mean we definitely when 0:54:13.440 --> 0:54:15.680 it comes to language, when it comes to that sort 0:54:15.680 --> 0:54:19.080 of activity, we've definitely course. Then there's there's no doubt. 0:54:19.360 --> 0:54:24.839 I think that Ford was embarrassed by this guy who 0:54:24.960 --> 0:54:29.440 decided that he would shout out at the president. 0:54:30.040 --> 0:54:32.360 And I'm good with all of it, quite honestly. 0:54:32.400 --> 0:54:34.520 It's like, you know, you're a voter, you're an American, 0:54:34.760 --> 0:54:37.560 you're working at a truck factory. I expect guys to 0:54:37.640 --> 0:54:41.240 use course language in the uaw not when you're. 0:54:41.120 --> 0:54:45.160 Standing there on an official company event. I think that's 0:54:45.239 --> 0:54:50.719 the difference if you're walking down the street. Yes, so yeah, 0:54:50.840 --> 0:54:53.600 I mean, what do we talk about this so many times? 0:54:54.239 --> 0:54:57.520 Your freedom of speech? But it's not freedom from consequences. 0:54:57.560 --> 0:54:59.200 And you're walking on the street and you do it, 0:54:59.360 --> 0:55:01.880 that's one thing. If you're standing as a part of 0:55:01.920 --> 0:55:07.000 an official tour, official event, of course you're going to 0:55:07.000 --> 0:55:09.560 be embarrassing the company, and the company will take action. 0:55:10.200 --> 0:55:12.440 I think it's you know, and we talk about, well, 0:55:12.480 --> 0:55:15.480 should Trump have responded. I will tell you that in 0:55:15.520 --> 0:55:20.360 twenty twenty, Biden called somebody the horses behind on a 0:55:20.440 --> 0:55:22.680 tour when the guy did the same thing. 0:55:22.880 --> 0:55:23.239 And so. 0:55:24.680 --> 0:55:28.200 I think it's true that we we have Courson. But 0:55:28.239 --> 0:55:30.239 I also think that and maybe this is just the 0:55:30.239 --> 0:55:34.080 boomer in me, and we also have to really I mean, 0:55:34.360 --> 0:55:36.800 I have to really think about is this what I 0:55:36.840 --> 0:55:37.640 want to be known for? 0:55:38.480 --> 0:55:38.839 Is this? 0:55:39.000 --> 0:55:42.040 What is this how I want to represent myself? And 0:55:42.160 --> 0:55:45.960 this guy said, I don't regret it. He also got 0:55:46.000 --> 0:55:52.000 a huge gofund me for hundreds of thousands of dollars. Yeah, 0:55:52.040 --> 0:55:58.960 so suspended or fired, he has a really big pot 0:55:59.000 --> 0:56:02.400 waiting for him go fund me. And we see that 0:56:02.480 --> 0:56:05.719 now on both sides. We see that in Minneapolis on 0:56:05.840 --> 0:56:08.400 both sides with you know, I'll go fund me. 0:56:08.840 --> 0:56:09.719 We saw that with a. 0:56:09.640 --> 0:56:13.680 Cop murderer here in Cincinnati, for God's sake, we do and. 0:56:13.600 --> 0:56:15.799 It's just it's I don't know. I mean, you live 0:56:15.880 --> 0:56:19.279 long enough and it's just fascinating to watch how things 0:56:19.280 --> 0:56:25.399 over time clutching. Oh I'm not pear clutching. Look, I 0:56:25.440 --> 0:56:27.960 think about Believe me, I have very strong opinions on 0:56:28.080 --> 0:56:31.160 all of this, but it's not my role. I don't 0:56:31.320 --> 0:56:34.680 share those things. I wouldn't do something in public because 0:56:34.760 --> 0:56:38.719 I think about what's the long term impact on my possibilities, 0:56:38.760 --> 0:56:40.239 my opportunities, my reputation. 0:56:40.680 --> 0:56:41.319 That's just me. 0:56:41.840 --> 0:56:45.160 And this guy said, I don't regret it, Okay. You 0:56:45.239 --> 0:56:49.240 know he doesn't regret it, okay. And the President doesn't 0:56:49.280 --> 0:56:50.480 regret it either, Okay. 0:56:50.800 --> 0:56:53.839 Yeah, yeah, Well, and that's where we are to take. 0:56:54.400 --> 0:56:56.520 If neither one was offended, it's okay. 0:56:56.560 --> 0:56:58.600 Then come on, now, you know this is your white 0:56:58.640 --> 0:57:02.400 collar you know you're working in HVAC Knights Climate Control 0:57:02.520 --> 0:57:04.600 building and you got your little coffee bar and I'm 0:57:04.600 --> 0:57:06.840 sure they have free Danish where you wore all that stuff. 0:57:06.880 --> 0:57:07.840 Your company's okay. 0:57:07.960 --> 0:57:10.839 I'm talking about hard scrabbled men and women that work 0:57:10.880 --> 0:57:13.279 for a living, blue collar workers, union workers that are 0:57:13.280 --> 0:57:17.120 out there hustling, working in factory building American cars. First 0:57:17.120 --> 0:57:20.040 of all, this is this language. Is what he said 0:57:20.160 --> 0:57:23.160 was a pedophile protector what exactly a curse word or 0:57:23.160 --> 0:57:25.280 any thing like that. A lot of people who voted 0:57:25.280 --> 0:57:26.960 for him, and maybe he was a Trump supporter, I 0:57:27.000 --> 0:57:29.600 don't know. That felt like, you know what the Epstein 0:57:29.680 --> 0:57:32.240 thing was. And there's a lot of people who voted 0:57:32.240 --> 0:57:33.720 for him saying, hey, he's going to out all these 0:57:33.720 --> 0:57:35.000 pedophiles and it didn't happen. 0:57:35.000 --> 0:57:36.240 He looks like he's protecting them. 0:57:36.280 --> 0:57:38.480 And so but you know, when you're the president and 0:57:38.520 --> 0:57:40.800 you show up, first of all, when you show up 0:57:40.800 --> 0:57:44.200 to a factory, you know that's the audience that you're playing. 0:57:44.240 --> 0:57:46.480 This is a bunch of bankers. This isn't P and G. 0:57:46.680 --> 0:57:48.480 I'd be with you on that one, but it's you know, 0:57:48.560 --> 0:57:51.360 people who build cars are a living, real real Americans 0:57:51.840 --> 0:57:55.360 in the heartland, and the president did the President did 0:57:55.400 --> 0:57:56.880 something that a lot of us do would just flip 0:57:56.920 --> 0:57:59.360 the guy off, and neither one was was that offended 0:57:59.400 --> 0:58:01.760 by it. But I also look at the context of 0:58:01.800 --> 0:58:04.640 where this doesn't matter that this happened in an assembly 0:58:04.680 --> 0:58:06.520 plant versus a boardroom. 0:58:07.960 --> 0:58:11.720 No, because whether you are a manager of accounting in 0:58:11.760 --> 0:58:14.120 one of the Ford offices, or you're on the line 0:58:14.160 --> 0:58:17.000 as a blue collar worker. Your paycheck comes from the 0:58:17.000 --> 0:58:20.600 same General Fund, and so you are still representing Ford. 0:58:20.920 --> 0:58:22.959 And that's why they felt like they had to take action. 0:58:23.200 --> 0:58:26.760 If they didn't, then I think that they would have 0:58:27.080 --> 0:58:30.960 the repercussion, maybe even from the administration, would have been 0:58:31.000 --> 0:58:34.520 a lot stronger. And so I think it's we're in 0:58:34.760 --> 0:58:39.160 the craziest time and that line between your work, your 0:58:39.160 --> 0:58:42.000 work persona, your work, everything about your work and everything 0:58:42.040 --> 0:58:45.720 about your personal life is because of social media, because 0:58:45.760 --> 0:58:49.960 of technology, there is no line anymore. And so I 0:58:50.040 --> 0:58:55.720 think we have to be extra cautious as individuals and say, 0:58:56.560 --> 0:58:59.600 is it look if I want a screen pedophile protector 0:59:00.240 --> 0:59:04.520 And I'm good with all the ramifications, okay, but I 0:59:04.560 --> 0:59:06.880 think we have to think. I always tell people think 0:59:06.960 --> 0:59:09.840 longer term than that think about and I say this 0:59:09.960 --> 0:59:12.520 when I see people get into political arguments on LinkedIn 0:59:12.640 --> 0:59:15.320 as an example, that's not meant to be a place 0:59:15.360 --> 0:59:20.040 to have political argument. I think you are potentially damaging 0:59:20.360 --> 0:59:25.480 or impacting at least half of your prospects by not 0:59:25.760 --> 0:59:30.120 knowing that this is an inappropriate place to have this conversation. 0:59:30.760 --> 0:59:34.480 Now does everyone believe that. No, But it's just I'm 0:59:34.640 --> 0:59:38.120 here to tell you how, I what I think and 0:59:38.320 --> 0:59:40.240 why I think. You've got to take the long and 0:59:40.320 --> 0:59:44.240 long term view with all of your behavior, both personally 0:59:44.240 --> 0:59:49.200 and professionally, because your conduct on either side can bleed 0:59:49.280 --> 0:59:51.919 over to the other side and can really limit your opportunities. 0:59:52.680 --> 0:59:52.960 Julie. 0:59:53.040 --> 0:59:55.600 The other factor here, the intermittigay factor, is the fact 0:59:55.600 --> 0:59:59.600 that mister Sibula is represented by the UAW. So you 0:59:59.720 --> 1:00:02.000 have it's a union, and so you have collective bargaining 1:00:02.800 --> 1:00:04.600 and they U should have stayed in the UAW did 1:00:04.640 --> 1:00:06.720 said that we believe in freedom of speech, a principle 1:00:06.720 --> 1:00:09.000 wholeheartedly we embrace and we stand with our membership and 1:00:09.000 --> 1:00:11.960 protecting their voice on their job. Sounds like the union 1:00:12.000 --> 1:00:14.120 is behind what this guy did. What does that ad 1:00:14.120 --> 1:00:14.800 a wrinkle the list? 1:00:16.040 --> 1:00:16.560 Well, I don't know. 1:00:16.560 --> 1:00:18.520 It depends on what their contract says, I mean, depends 1:00:18.560 --> 1:00:23.760 on what is protected under their contract. So yeah, and 1:00:23.880 --> 1:00:25.840 when you when you are when you are part of 1:00:25.920 --> 1:00:28.760 a union, you do have a bigger voice and you 1:00:28.840 --> 1:00:32.680 have other people speaking up on your behalf regardless, and 1:00:32.760 --> 1:00:37.800 so there is some benefit there. And so we'll see 1:00:37.840 --> 1:00:40.000 how this plays out. I think what's so interesting about 1:00:40.000 --> 1:00:41.880 where we are right now. I attended an event where 1:00:41.920 --> 1:00:46.640 attorneys we're talking about AI and social media and you 1:00:46.680 --> 1:00:49.160 know what's legal? What's not legal? Is it is it 1:00:49.240 --> 1:00:51.400 legal to fire somebody because of what they put on 1:00:51.440 --> 1:00:56.520 social media? And these really smart attorneys collective answer was TBD. 1:00:57.160 --> 1:01:00.200 We don't know it's playing out in the courts. And 1:01:00.240 --> 1:01:03.200 so we're still in that We're in that place where 1:01:03.280 --> 1:01:06.440 technology has taken over our lives, but we're not to 1:01:06.480 --> 1:01:10.520 the point yet where we have really wrestled down what 1:01:10.560 --> 1:01:14.160 does that actually mean? What's okay and what isn't? And 1:01:14.200 --> 1:01:16.440 so the courts will weigh in on this over the 1:01:16.480 --> 1:01:19.520 next couple of years, and it's just right now, we're 1:01:19.560 --> 1:01:20.680 in the middle of the mess. 1:01:21.280 --> 1:01:23.320 We are in the middle of the mess. Julie's on 1:01:23.360 --> 1:01:25.600 this morning our career. Sure, but Julie Balki the Bauki 1:01:25.720 --> 1:01:29.160 group about the worker at the UAW plant in Michigan, 1:01:29.840 --> 1:01:33.360 Trump is touring there, yelled up pedophile protector and Trump 1:01:33.400 --> 1:01:35.240 flipped them off and thought that was the end of it. Well, 1:01:35.280 --> 1:01:37.560 this guy wound up getting suspended for a p I 1:01:37.560 --> 1:01:39.000 don't know how long you do you know how long 1:01:39.000 --> 1:01:42.080 you was suspended? A couple a couple hours is fine, 1:01:42.240 --> 1:01:43.120 Just take a long launch. 1:01:43.160 --> 1:01:43.600 We're good. 1:01:44.960 --> 1:01:46.480 The other part of this thing too, isn't this more 1:01:46.480 --> 1:01:49.919 political than it is job related stuff? But Republicans are 1:01:50.000 --> 1:01:51.920 you know, I'm sure they're clutching their polls about these 1:01:51.920 --> 1:01:53.720 saying to the off you can't talk to the president 1:01:53.720 --> 1:01:56.200 that was so disrespectful. I mean, meanwhile, we have a 1:01:56.240 --> 1:01:58.880 president that says far, far worse stuff on true social 1:01:58.960 --> 1:02:02.480 seemingly every day. Democrats love this whole thing because it's 1:02:02.520 --> 1:02:05.480 against Trump. But these are the same people who you know, 1:02:05.520 --> 1:02:09.320 the woke culture censorship. But then well that's different. Well, no, 1:02:09.400 --> 1:02:11.480 it's the same thing. So you know, there's a lot 1:02:11.480 --> 1:02:13.440 of hypocrisy to go around in this situation. 1:02:13.960 --> 1:02:16.120 There is there, always is, isn't there? 1:02:16.920 --> 1:02:20.120 Yeah, I don't know just what kind of juice for it. 1:02:20.280 --> 1:02:22.040 Why did Ford have to feel like that? You said 1:02:22.040 --> 1:02:23.960 they felt like they had to do Why, well, then 1:02:24.040 --> 1:02:26.360 just let it go with Typically in PR, it's like, 1:02:26.440 --> 1:02:28.000 you know, if you don't call attention to it, it just 1:02:28.040 --> 1:02:30.480 goes away. Now you're not making it go away, That's 1:02:30.480 --> 1:02:31.040 what makes sense. 1:02:32.520 --> 1:02:36.800 I'm sure that every PR person would say that they 1:02:36.840 --> 1:02:39.320 had to make some sort of statement, and I'm sure 1:02:39.400 --> 1:02:43.920 they're in their communications had put that statement together and 1:02:43.960 --> 1:02:47.400 it was something like this was inconsistent with our values 1:02:47.440 --> 1:02:50.880 as an organization. And that's probably because as a company 1:02:50.880 --> 1:02:54.200 you have to think what are our shareholders going to say? 1:02:54.280 --> 1:02:55.160 How about our board? 1:02:55.600 --> 1:02:59.240 How about our customers? And so I think they had 1:02:59.280 --> 1:03:01.360 to come out and say something. I think in this case, 1:03:01.680 --> 1:03:04.360 because it was reported in the press, I think they 1:03:04.360 --> 1:03:07.320 didn't have any choice but to say something. Sometimes silence 1:03:07.720 --> 1:03:10.160 isn't the best response. Until they gave kind of a 1:03:11.040 --> 1:03:13.840 you know, they hit the middle of the road and 1:03:13.920 --> 1:03:17.320 tried to appease all the different parties. And what if 1:03:17.320 --> 1:03:19.880 they hadn't done anything, would there have been repercussions from 1:03:19.880 --> 1:03:22.760 the administrate, from the polical administration? We don't know, or 1:03:22.800 --> 1:03:25.040 would it have been forgotten about? So I think they 1:03:25.160 --> 1:03:29.240 they probably split the baby and did what they felt 1:03:29.240 --> 1:03:30.960 like they had to do without going overboard. 1:03:31.200 --> 1:03:33.240 We suspend, but no one knows how long the guy 1:03:33.320 --> 1:03:34.280 was suspended. That's key. 1:03:34.320 --> 1:03:37.000 Is it a week or like forty five minutes, like 1:03:37.160 --> 1:03:39.360 ten minutes? Just take a we put you in time 1:03:39.400 --> 1:03:40.560 out like a toddlinet. 1:03:41.560 --> 1:03:42.960 Did you go in the time out. 1:03:44.440 --> 1:03:47.240 You've got a big fat bank account of Yeah, it 1:03:47.320 --> 1:03:49.720 was like that. How these gofundmes work? 1:03:49.800 --> 1:03:49.960 Yeah? 1:03:50.040 --> 1:03:50.400 I love it. 1:03:50.480 --> 1:03:50.800 Yeah. 1:03:51.000 --> 1:03:52.640 Well the thing is the guy's like, well, damn, I 1:03:52.720 --> 1:03:54.560 gotta do this dollar. I may just got to follow 1:03:54.560 --> 1:03:56.400 around the apple. There's more money in that than it 1:03:56.480 --> 1:04:00.640 is building cars these days. Yeah, it's like, well, you know, 1:04:00.920 --> 1:04:03.040 does Ford Motor also invite this? You know, you have 1:04:03.200 --> 1:04:05.640 someone and that's polarizing in this case President I it's 1:04:05.640 --> 1:04:09.560 always President's always good to say Joe Biden's polarizing, Trump's polarizing. 1:04:09.560 --> 1:04:12.680 Next president be polarizing. Doesn't this Are we in an 1:04:12.680 --> 1:04:16.080 area now where this kind of goes to the territory, you. 1:04:16.040 --> 1:04:18.120 Know it kind of does? I mean, look at all 1:04:18.160 --> 1:04:22.000 the booing at public events when Trump's space is on 1:04:22.120 --> 1:04:25.320 the square board regardless, I mean, it is more booing 1:04:25.360 --> 1:04:25.800 than well. 1:04:25.760 --> 1:04:28.000 Then there's people who are cheering. Depending on the event. Mean, 1:04:28.040 --> 1:04:30.280 you go to a NASCAR race, it's different, right, depends. 1:04:30.040 --> 1:04:32.000 Where you go, and you're not that's right, that's right, 1:04:32.040 --> 1:04:34.000 And you're not gonna You're not going to chase down 1:04:34.040 --> 1:04:35.680 every one of those people and try to get them 1:04:35.680 --> 1:04:37.680 fired or start and goes on me for them. So 1:04:37.800 --> 1:04:41.320 that's a different venue than than when you're when you 1:04:41.400 --> 1:04:44.520 have a public when you have a formally scheduled event 1:04:45.440 --> 1:04:48.840 with the press there, yeah, and one of your employees 1:04:48.880 --> 1:04:51.520 embarrasses you. I mean, that's that's literally what it comes 1:04:51.520 --> 1:04:53.640 down to. They felt like they had to do something 1:04:53.680 --> 1:04:57.840 regardless of how they felt, and they all these big 1:04:57.880 --> 1:05:01.080 companies have very carefully controlled and well bought up pr 1:05:01.840 --> 1:05:06.000 and I'm sure this was a hastily called meeting in 1:05:06.080 --> 1:05:09.520 which they looked at all sides and decided what they 1:05:09.560 --> 1:05:10.080 had to do. 1:05:10.640 --> 1:05:11.360 That was. 1:05:12.760 --> 1:05:17.720 That was that hit the spot most without with offending 1:05:17.800 --> 1:05:18.640 the least amount of people. 1:05:18.680 --> 1:05:19.120 Put it that way. 1:05:19.160 --> 1:05:20.040 All right, let's say this. 1:05:20.200 --> 1:05:22.840 Okay, so I don't know, the President's US Bank arena 1:05:22.880 --> 1:05:24.840 or pray something like that, and the cameras are all 1:05:24.840 --> 1:05:27.040 over the place, and you know, it's pretty quilty of 1:05:27.080 --> 1:05:29.919 a sudden nine Jack Crumbley from the newsroom screams out 1:05:29.920 --> 1:05:32.800 something and it's like, oh my god, hey look at 1:05:32.800 --> 1:05:36.040 that guy, or I don't know, it could be Julie Balki, Scotslain, whoever. 1:05:36.160 --> 1:05:38.560 It's like, well, you know, the online world is going 1:05:38.600 --> 1:05:40.160 to docks that person they're going to find out who 1:05:40.200 --> 1:05:42.120 they are and they're going to start sweating their employer 1:05:42.440 --> 1:05:47.080 because I booed someone at at at a rally. Now 1:05:47.120 --> 1:05:49.080 does that do I wind up getting suspended losing my 1:05:49.200 --> 1:05:51.240 job over that? I mean, it's a it's a it's 1:05:51.240 --> 1:05:53.040 a that's a different thing. It's not the workplace, it's 1:05:53.040 --> 1:05:55.640 a public event. Are we look what happened. We talked 1:05:55.640 --> 1:05:59.200 about the you know, the atwork romance with the CEO 1:05:59.360 --> 1:06:02.360 and the subbort the head of HR at the at 1:06:02.360 --> 1:06:05.000 the concert right now wind up losing jobs and call 1:06:05.040 --> 1:06:05.600 over that thing? 1:06:07.400 --> 1:06:08.480 Is that the same thing? I mean? 1:06:08.800 --> 1:06:10.960 Are now are we going to be censored to some 1:06:11.040 --> 1:06:13.880 degree because hey, I may have a protest signed at 1:06:13.880 --> 1:06:16.560 an event, regardless of what it might be, or somebody 1:06:16.600 --> 1:06:19.120 sees that and identifies me, and now I could lose 1:06:19.120 --> 1:06:21.600 my job because I disagree with someone and I'm exercise 1:06:21.600 --> 1:06:22.600 in my First Amendment rights. 1:06:24.120 --> 1:06:27.560 That is what is being litigated, and there are a 1:06:27.560 --> 1:06:31.440 lot of cases wending their way through the court system 1:06:31.760 --> 1:06:35.840 to answer just exactly that question. And so the answer 1:06:35.880 --> 1:06:39.320 is we don't know. All we know is that from 1:06:39.320 --> 1:06:41.520 a company standpoint, I think you have to have a 1:06:41.520 --> 1:06:45.440 pretty clear social media policy. And so if you've got attorneys, 1:06:45.480 --> 1:06:48.880 if you've got labor attorneys, you know, on your you know, 1:06:49.000 --> 1:06:53.600 on your team, or you know, sort of as external advisors, 1:06:53.960 --> 1:06:56.520 you need to get with them and get really clear 1:06:56.640 --> 1:06:59.480 on what is your social media policy? How far can 1:06:59.520 --> 1:07:03.560 you go? Because this is still being determined and it's 1:07:03.600 --> 1:07:06.720 messy and I could argue both sides of it. And 1:07:06.800 --> 1:07:08.240 so I think that's where we are. 1:07:08.440 --> 1:07:10.640 I think we're in a society too many dan busybodies, 1:07:10.640 --> 1:07:12.920 That's what I think. It's like, it's different. It's like, yeah, 1:07:12.960 --> 1:07:15.160 it used to be like we don't okay, okay, yeah 1:07:15.200 --> 1:07:17.560 you don't like this person or cause or okay, great, 1:07:17.880 --> 1:07:19.600 and now we got to know root them out and 1:07:19.640 --> 1:07:22.439 eliminate them. So a lot of people with a lot 1:07:22.480 --> 1:07:23.200 of time in their hands. 1:07:23.200 --> 1:07:23.439 I guess. 1:07:23.480 --> 1:07:25.960 Julie Balki our career Ship on The Scott's Loan Show. 1:07:26.000 --> 1:07:28.800 If you want to go on social media and start 1:07:28.800 --> 1:07:31.120 haranguing people, you may want to consult her first. She's 1:07:31.160 --> 1:07:33.520 at the Balki Group Bauke dot com. She and her 1:07:33.520 --> 1:07:36.320 team ready to work for you, career coach consulting, et cetera. 1:07:36.440 --> 1:07:39.120 She jumps on the show every Wednesday morning with Julie 1:07:39.120 --> 1:07:39.520 on the job. 1:07:39.560 --> 1:07:40.040 All the best. 1:07:40.080 --> 1:07:43.720 We'll talk next week. Appreciate you. Let's do news. How 1:07:43.720 --> 1:07:45.560 about that Trump is at Davos right now. I was 1:07:45.600 --> 1:07:49.000 doing old Q and A. We'll have what that was about. Also, 1:07:49.720 --> 1:07:52.360 weather forecast look a little dicey this week and especially 1:07:52.600 --> 1:07:55.600 maybe a severe winter storm. Then again, maybe nothing, who knows. 1:07:55.640 --> 1:07:58.560 We'll find out. Just ahead with news on seven hundred WW. 1:07:58.680 --> 1:08:02.920 Sinccenat oh Man. 1:08:02.960 --> 1:08:03.959 What ain't happening today? 1:08:04.000 --> 1:08:08.040 Sloan here seven hundred W LW So Greenland is he 1:08:08.080 --> 1:08:14.040 big story today and the President is threatening more terrorists 1:08:14.040 --> 1:08:17.839 to the Europeans unless we get Greenland and American's closest 1:08:17.840 --> 1:08:20.120 European allies. They have declared an end to the US 1:08:20.200 --> 1:08:22.479 led global order, whatever that means. And this is going 1:08:22.520 --> 1:08:25.720 to come to a head today. The President arrived in Davos, Switzerland, 1:08:26.040 --> 1:08:29.040 earlier this morning for the World Economic Forum summit, where 1:08:29.040 --> 1:08:31.519 he's going to speak. Presumably there's going to be some 1:08:31.800 --> 1:08:34.519 sidebars going on where he's talking to other European leaders. 1:08:34.680 --> 1:08:37.640 We'll find out what happens. Carl Delfeld is here. He 1:08:37.760 --> 1:08:40.040 is the Independent Republican Senior FOLLO at the Center for 1:08:40.120 --> 1:08:43.240 Economic Security, advised a Senate Finance committee, he's advised a 1:08:43.280 --> 1:08:47.080 Treasury department, and now us here on seven hundred WW Carl, 1:08:47.120 --> 1:08:47.960 welcome back, are. 1:08:47.800 --> 1:08:50.240 You good morning, Good to be with you. 1:08:50.439 --> 1:08:51.599 Yeah, crazy days here. 1:08:52.200 --> 1:08:55.360 So you know the markets are markets are where they 1:08:55.360 --> 1:08:57.639 are today, but we know we lost like eight hundred 1:08:57.680 --> 1:09:02.160 and seventy points on this news. Mondays the Dollar Index, 1:09:02.240 --> 1:09:05.799 which measures a dollar strength against the other world major currencies, 1:09:05.800 --> 1:09:08.160 that fell by eight tenths of a percent, which is 1:09:08.439 --> 1:09:10.439 doesn't sound like a lot, but in the currency markets, 1:09:10.439 --> 1:09:12.880 that's a huge that's a that's that's an epic shift. 1:09:13.439 --> 1:09:15.160 The dollar index had its worst day. I think that 1:09:15.240 --> 1:09:17.920 since August, the euro is up zero point sixty five 1:09:17.920 --> 1:09:21.559 percent against the dollar. You hear that our global investors 1:09:21.560 --> 1:09:24.439 looking to reduce their exposure to the US because again, 1:09:24.520 --> 1:09:27.120 money is scared of volatility, and we're pretty volatile right now. 1:09:27.160 --> 1:09:29.240 And how long does this go and what's it mean 1:09:29.280 --> 1:09:31.280 for the dollar long term? 1:09:31.880 --> 1:09:34.760 Well, the dollar was off nine percent last year, and 1:09:35.560 --> 1:09:38.479 I think the trend that that that sort of trend 1:09:38.520 --> 1:09:43.479 will continue, in part because of what you just brought 1:09:43.560 --> 1:09:46.080 up to kind of the geopolitical and financial risk. I mean, 1:09:46.360 --> 1:09:49.679 our debt is approaching now forty trillion dollars. It probably 1:09:49.760 --> 1:09:52.760 hit it by the end of the year. So just 1:09:53.000 --> 1:09:56.400 you know, America's brand has always been dynamic stability, you know, 1:09:56.560 --> 1:10:01.680 dynamic economy and culture in a stable political environment, and 1:10:01.920 --> 1:10:03.280 that's under pressure. 1:10:04.600 --> 1:10:05.120 Right now. 1:10:05.160 --> 1:10:08.280 And that's why gold is doing so well. I mean, 1:10:08.360 --> 1:10:09.960 if you wanted me to sum up what's going to 1:10:10.000 --> 1:10:11.880 happen today, it's probably going to be another good day 1:10:11.920 --> 1:10:12.720 for gold. 1:10:13.920 --> 1:10:14.800 And bonds per well. 1:10:14.800 --> 1:10:16.599 I am in that too, because we're wearing so much 1:10:16.600 --> 1:10:20.960 in debt now that looks like that's questionable too. Someone 1:10:21.040 --> 1:10:23.599 compared this to and I was just a child then, 1:10:23.680 --> 1:10:25.800 so maybe you can can shine light on this one. 1:10:25.920 --> 1:10:28.719 Nixon then was it seventy seventy one, seventy two somewhere 1:10:28.720 --> 1:10:30.959 around there, and it took us off the gold standard 1:10:31.720 --> 1:10:33.479 and that was a I guess a monu mil shift 1:10:33.479 --> 1:10:35.479 at that time. And we saw what happened in early seventies. 1:10:35.520 --> 1:10:37.720 You know, we had energy crissease and everything else. But 1:10:38.360 --> 1:10:40.360 take us back to seventy one and houses. 1:10:40.000 --> 1:10:42.639 Compare, Yeah, what's similar. 1:10:42.680 --> 1:10:45.360 I mean, the seventy one was a huge break because 1:10:45.400 --> 1:10:48.800 you had to bret wits agreements right after World War Two, 1:10:49.360 --> 1:10:51.479 when we set up the IMF and the World Bank, 1:10:51.920 --> 1:10:56.519 and basically we were by far we were the kingpin. 1:10:57.320 --> 1:11:00.720 Unimaginable even today. I mean, we had fifty percent of 1:11:00.760 --> 1:11:04.799 global trade, fifty percent of manufacturing, fifth percent of GDP. 1:11:04.960 --> 1:11:05.559 I mean, we were. 1:11:05.920 --> 1:11:10.160 So we basically used the dollar to boord of stabilize 1:11:10.160 --> 1:11:13.280 the financial system and try to get Europe in particular 1:11:13.360 --> 1:11:16.040 back on its feet in Japan and so on. So 1:11:16.560 --> 1:11:18.760 when that happened in seventy one, when the gold was 1:11:18.840 --> 1:11:21.240 just flying out of the door, and so John Connolly's 1:11:21.320 --> 1:11:26.360 Treasury secretary at that time the Texan he famously said 1:11:26.360 --> 1:11:30.320 to his cohorts the other finance ministers, it's our dollar 1:11:30.479 --> 1:11:34.800 and its year problem. So yeah, that was quite a shock, 1:11:34.880 --> 1:11:38.639 in particular to Japan, our allies like Japan. But today 1:11:39.040 --> 1:11:41.720 I think, well, we'll see what happens today. I think 1:11:41.760 --> 1:11:45.439 it's a very tricky situation because it's hard to see 1:11:45.439 --> 1:11:52.320 a face saving compromise that Trump would accept and that 1:11:52.400 --> 1:11:57.920 the Europeans, the NATO, the NATO, the EU, the. 1:11:57.840 --> 1:11:59.560 Twenty seven countries in EU. 1:11:59.360 --> 1:12:02.880 And thirty countries that NATO would accept as well. I 1:12:02.920 --> 1:12:06.880 don't think it's going to be settled during this short trip. 1:12:06.920 --> 1:12:09.479 I think they're going to punt and find some way 1:12:09.520 --> 1:12:11.800 to kind of deflect it down the road a little bit. 1:12:12.880 --> 1:12:14.800 But you know, this is. 1:12:16.439 --> 1:12:20.519 If the NATO basically crumble. In other words, if Trump 1:12:20.600 --> 1:12:26.400 took Greenland, either by force or by just just really 1:12:26.560 --> 1:12:32.519 leaning hard and disrupted NATO, the NATO alliance, I think 1:12:32.560 --> 1:12:33.320 it would be a kin. 1:12:33.280 --> 1:12:34.559 In nineteen seventy one. 1:12:35.000 --> 1:12:38.880 Because we don't realize how important Europe is to US. 1:12:38.920 --> 1:12:42.240 I mean, when we look at our alliance system, everybody says, well, 1:12:42.280 --> 1:12:44.559 US has such a great alliances, but when you really 1:12:44.680 --> 1:12:49.720 look at it carefully, it's Europe, it's Japan, and it's 1:12:49.760 --> 1:12:52.280 South Korea and Asia. I mean, I mean, we have 1:12:52.320 --> 1:12:54.160 a lot of other friends and allies, but those are 1:12:54.200 --> 1:12:54.920 the key ones. 1:12:56.000 --> 1:13:00.400 So yeah, yeah, I look at Carlin, like, you know, 1:13:00.439 --> 1:13:02.840 when Jade Vance said, I think he said that Europe 1:13:02.880 --> 1:13:03.360 is decaded. 1:13:03.439 --> 1:13:04.720 He's he's not wrong about that. 1:13:05.520 --> 1:13:09.360 You know, they they have migration problems, they suppressed free speech. 1:13:10.000 --> 1:13:11.559 I look at that, go it's not like, you know, 1:13:11.960 --> 1:13:14.320 Europe is just continuing to be Europe here and they're 1:13:14.320 --> 1:13:17.720 struggling to they're facing fertility crisis and everything else. And 1:13:18.920 --> 1:13:20.640 you know, we try to put in context why we 1:13:20.680 --> 1:13:22.479 want to acquire Greenland, and I have a lot of 1:13:22.560 --> 1:13:25.000 questions about that, but I don't think, you know, he's 1:13:25.160 --> 1:13:27.040 we're simply because Europe and then they get it, they're 1:13:27.080 --> 1:13:28.519 kind of stuck in the past to some degree. 1:13:28.560 --> 1:13:30.599 We don't want to do that. We continue to evolve. 1:13:30.680 --> 1:13:34.600 But at the same time, the EU is preparing to 1:13:34.680 --> 1:13:36.679 launch with this thing called a trade bazuka. 1:13:36.760 --> 1:13:39.680 What is that? What's it mean? And if implemented, what 1:13:39.720 --> 1:13:41.160 impacts I can have on us? 1:13:41.920 --> 1:13:45.280 Well, if you look at EU, he was, as I said, 1:13:45.360 --> 1:13:49.000 twenty seven countries, four hundred and fifty million people. So 1:13:49.000 --> 1:13:52.200 it's big, and it's a you know, these are developed economy, 1:13:52.280 --> 1:13:57.320 so sophisticated economy, right, they could be stronger, and you know, 1:13:57.360 --> 1:14:00.160 obviously they're behind the United States in some areas, but 1:14:00.520 --> 1:14:05.599 it's still pretty pretty sizable mass. So so basically our exports. 1:14:05.600 --> 1:14:10.120 For example, that's our biggest export market, bigger than Canada 1:14:10.200 --> 1:14:13.120 and Mexico combined. I mean, it's a big number. So 1:14:13.880 --> 1:14:16.479 what they what I what they're planing to do is 1:14:16.560 --> 1:14:19.280 I think put together you know, well over one hundred 1:14:19.280 --> 1:14:25.200 billion dollars of US exports to the EU and impede 1:14:25.200 --> 1:14:28.880 them in some way with the tariff for something. And 1:14:29.240 --> 1:14:32.519 I mean it's not nothing. I mean, I agree with 1:14:32.560 --> 1:14:35.160 you that Europe should be doing a lot better, and 1:14:35.200 --> 1:14:37.920 it's growth is it's sort of treading water, and it 1:14:37.960 --> 1:14:40.479 has problems. Of course, the Europeans will look back at 1:14:40.520 --> 1:14:42.920 US and say, well, we have problems, but you have 1:14:42.960 --> 1:14:47.160 problems too, So you know, everybody is struggling with certain issues. 1:14:47.880 --> 1:14:52.720 But I still think, I still think NATO is important 1:14:53.080 --> 1:14:56.320 and a rupture of it would be something. I tell 1:14:56.320 --> 1:14:57.559 you what was really surprising to. 1:14:57.479 --> 1:14:59.479 Be we need I mean, I get that, you know, 1:14:59.520 --> 1:15:01.280 I'm with you the European thing, but at the same time, 1:15:01.280 --> 1:15:03.559 it's like those are important allies in this world. 1:15:03.600 --> 1:15:05.320 You just can't simply go it alone. 1:15:06.160 --> 1:15:09.559 Right, especially with China. And I just finished my State 1:15:09.600 --> 1:15:12.720 of the US China Rivalry, and it's not pretty. I mean, 1:15:12.880 --> 1:15:18.639 China is gaining ground in the rivalry. Uh, and so 1:15:18.840 --> 1:15:20.599 we have to keep that in the back of our mind. 1:15:20.920 --> 1:15:24.760 Uh that uh, you know, because that's that is the 1:15:25.680 --> 1:15:28.240 that is the issue of the decade is US and 1:15:28.400 --> 1:15:32.920 China and anything we can do to improve our position 1:15:33.080 --> 1:15:35.680 viasa China is something we should do. 1:15:36.080 --> 1:15:36.680 Yeah. 1:15:37.040 --> 1:15:37.200 Uh. 1:15:37.240 --> 1:15:40.160 He is Carl Delfeld. He is a the Independent Republican. 1:15:40.280 --> 1:15:42.920 He's a fellow at the Center Freak Onomic Security. Also 1:15:42.960 --> 1:15:45.639 advised the Senate Finance Committee and the US Treasury Department 1:15:45.680 --> 1:15:49.200 and talking about Trump arriving in Davos, Switzerland, and we 1:15:49.280 --> 1:15:52.160 have trade wars and trade bazookahs, and of course this 1:15:52.280 --> 1:15:54.719 is all over whether or not we should take over Greenland, 1:15:54.720 --> 1:15:56.760 which to me is like I look at it, gok 1:15:57.000 --> 1:15:58.840 is that it could It could very well be an 1:15:58.880 --> 1:16:03.360 important military asset, an asset for mineral wealth and everything else. Yeah, 1:16:03.400 --> 1:16:06.920 but it belongs to Denmark. And you know, to me, 1:16:07.000 --> 1:16:12.439 it seems like Carl very simply is just keeping the 1:16:12.520 --> 1:16:15.200 Danes as allies have them pay for. I know, there's 1:16:15.280 --> 1:16:19.559 like sixty thousand people and the entire continent. I look 1:16:19.560 --> 1:16:22.040 at it and go, okay, well that's good for the Danes. 1:16:22.560 --> 1:16:25.240 I don't think that China Russia will invade because they 1:16:25.240 --> 1:16:27.839 know the United States is right there when we'll certainly 1:16:27.840 --> 1:16:29.680 go and defend that territory. So why do we need 1:16:29.720 --> 1:16:32.200 it anyway? We could strike mineral rights deals and everything else. 1:16:32.240 --> 1:16:33.840 We have an air force base or a space base 1:16:33.880 --> 1:16:36.680 there anyway, So why do we actually physically need to 1:16:36.680 --> 1:16:37.040 take it. 1:16:38.600 --> 1:16:41.200 Well, you make good points. The other thing to keep 1:16:41.200 --> 1:16:45.840 in mind is the fifty sixty thousand people there. They're 1:16:45.920 --> 1:16:50.840 Danish citizens, they vote in Danish elections, they go to 1:16:50.880 --> 1:16:56.519 school in Denmark, you know, to college and so on. 1:16:57.080 --> 1:17:01.040 So if they get free universal healthcare, they get free 1:17:02.000 --> 1:17:08.439 secondary and so they maybe wanted to become independent, but 1:17:08.520 --> 1:17:12.040 they're pretty happy with the situation with Danes. It's cost 1:17:12.080 --> 1:17:14.320 them about a billion dollars a year to subsidize those 1:17:14.320 --> 1:17:15.360 fifty thousand people. 1:17:16.160 --> 1:17:20.920 Yeah, I agree with you. I mean, I think what 1:17:21.000 --> 1:17:22.680 I would prefer is that we do it. 1:17:23.240 --> 1:17:28.160 US has a lot of flexibility there, and so if 1:17:28.160 --> 1:17:31.000 we want to build it up there, we can. It's 1:17:31.040 --> 1:17:34.320 one area that the NATO could be very very positive 1:17:34.640 --> 1:17:37.160 because you know, the High North as they call it 1:17:37.200 --> 1:17:43.360 in military terms. Finland, Norway, Sweden, Iceland, Denmark, they all 1:17:43.400 --> 1:17:49.040 play pretty big roles up there. Canada too, So if 1:17:49.080 --> 1:17:51.719 we want to really push back against Russia and China, 1:17:51.800 --> 1:17:57.280 who are much more active in the Arctic region, we 1:17:57.320 --> 1:17:57.720 can do it. 1:17:58.080 --> 1:17:59.679 We can do it much better together. 1:18:01.080 --> 1:18:04.840 Yeah, Carl, I look at the situation Okay, we're fighting 1:18:04.840 --> 1:18:06.760 over Greenland right now. They're gonna hit We're gonna hit 1:18:06.800 --> 1:18:09.240 tariffs on them. They're gonna hit tteriffs back on us. 1:18:09.479 --> 1:18:12.920 New study came out from a long time, highly respected 1:18:13.000 --> 1:18:16.519 economic think tank. It shows ninety six percent of tariff 1:18:16.560 --> 1:18:19.799 costs over the last well year. Now, of this, ninety 1:18:19.800 --> 1:18:23.439 six percent of terra costs fall on American importers, and 1:18:23.479 --> 1:18:26.800 therefore consumers the Ford exporters are only absorb about four 1:18:26.800 --> 1:18:29.320 percent of this. So we have seen a two hundred 1:18:29.320 --> 1:18:31.840 billion dollar surge in customs revenue last year. 1:18:32.320 --> 1:18:33.760 Uh and that is almost entirely. 1:18:33.840 --> 1:18:36.240 Ninety six percent of that two hundred billion is paid 1:18:36.240 --> 1:18:39.160 for by Americans. And we're gonna up that ante a 1:18:39.200 --> 1:18:42.400 little bit, you know. And at the same time, I 1:18:42.439 --> 1:18:45.519 got it. You gotta say that, you know, we we 1:18:45.800 --> 1:18:47.880 the markets are looking at this going. Hey, inflation's kind 1:18:47.880 --> 1:18:49.519 of sticky right now, a lot of this, but we 1:18:49.600 --> 1:18:53.439 expect that to subside in the next year. So there's 1:18:53.479 --> 1:18:55.840 some damage done here. But the reality of what is 1:18:55.880 --> 1:18:56.839 this done to our economies? 1:18:57.000 --> 1:18:57.559 Is it working? 1:18:59.240 --> 1:18:59.559 Well? 1:18:59.760 --> 1:19:03.600 You look at the sharing I saw that study, and 1:19:03.640 --> 1:19:06.000 there's so many different studies. But even even if it's 1:19:06.040 --> 1:19:08.479 not ninety six percent. I mean, let's let's take the 1:19:08.560 --> 1:19:11.280 fifty to fifty. It's still a consumer tax. So it's 1:19:11.280 --> 1:19:14.200 all it's certainly going to be the higher prices. I 1:19:14.240 --> 1:19:17.840 saw that Amazon, the Amazon CEO said they're seeing prices 1:19:18.120 --> 1:19:21.479 creep up. So like in the beginning, the exporters might take, 1:19:21.840 --> 1:19:24.240 you know, a cut, you know, absorb a cut of 1:19:24.280 --> 1:19:29.000 that tariff, but as time goes on, they'll recede, so 1:19:29.600 --> 1:19:32.439 it's hard to argue that it's not a consumer tax 1:19:32.520 --> 1:19:35.760 and consumers. Now, the revenue is the thing that I 1:19:35.800 --> 1:19:39.479 find interesting because we're getting about thirty billion dollars or 1:19:39.520 --> 1:19:43.200 so of revenue, so that's three hundred and sixty billion 1:19:43.200 --> 1:19:46.080 dollars a year. That seems like a big number, but 1:19:47.240 --> 1:19:50.000 think about this in terms of our budget deficit, we're 1:19:50.000 --> 1:19:54.960 about two two trillion dollars. Of that over four hundred 1:19:54.960 --> 1:19:58.400 billion is just for the Department of Better Affairs, not 1:19:58.880 --> 1:20:02.320 for our defense budget, for the Department of Veteran Affairs 1:20:02.400 --> 1:20:06.720 until four hundred billion dollars a year. So sure, it's 1:20:06.760 --> 1:20:08.919 good to have a three hundred and sixty billion dollars, 1:20:08.920 --> 1:20:12.559 but if it's largely coming from Americans and it's not 1:20:12.600 --> 1:20:16.120 even covered covering the Department of Veterans Affairs. To me, 1:20:16.200 --> 1:20:17.639 it's not a big deal. 1:20:18.160 --> 1:20:20.760 Yeah, but we're not going to back down from this 1:20:20.760 --> 1:20:23.120 thing because that looks like weakness, even though it might 1:20:23.160 --> 1:20:25.200 make sense that in the shorter we just he just 1:20:25.240 --> 1:20:28.040 doesn't do that right. And I think you know, you 1:20:28.040 --> 1:20:30.280 look at the Germans for example, too, and they it 1:20:30.320 --> 1:20:33.400 seems like they're avoiding a full blown trade war because 1:20:34.360 --> 1:20:36.960 they're trying to get more of a determined, a deterurn 1:20:37.080 --> 1:20:39.519 in place. So it's not de escalation. People just keep 1:20:39.600 --> 1:20:41.960 up in the abbey. Where do you see things playing 1:20:42.000 --> 1:20:42.840 out over the next year. 1:20:45.000 --> 1:20:48.080 Well, we'll see how this in Europe plays out. But 1:20:48.160 --> 1:20:50.840 I think I think, well, we're just you know, one 1:20:50.840 --> 1:20:52.880 thing we have to mention is that the Supreme Court 1:20:52.920 --> 1:20:55.000 is can be coming out any anything. 1:20:55.280 --> 1:20:56.480 Yeah, I mean literally. 1:20:56.200 --> 1:20:58.760 Could be today, and that's going to be a big 1:20:58.800 --> 1:21:03.880 one because if they if they rule as expected and 1:21:04.320 --> 1:21:08.040 don't allow the emergency measures that Trump has used to 1:21:08.080 --> 1:21:11.840 impose these tariffs, there's going to be a lot of uncertainty, 1:21:11.880 --> 1:21:14.639 there's going to be refund issues, there's gonna be it's 1:21:14.640 --> 1:21:15.240 a mess. 1:21:15.920 --> 1:21:17.760 So I think you're right that. 1:21:17.760 --> 1:21:21.920 The tariffs are there for the long term to some degree, 1:21:22.439 --> 1:21:25.560 but it's basically caused a lot of volatility and a 1:21:25.600 --> 1:21:29.040 lot of confusion, and I think I think it's hurt 1:21:29.080 --> 1:21:33.880 the US brand, and I I just tend to think 1:21:33.920 --> 1:21:37.120 a lot of these issues could should be settled a 1:21:37.160 --> 1:21:38.240 little bit more quietly. 1:21:39.479 --> 1:21:41.800 Yeah, but that's not Trump's nature. And that's also that 1:21:43.080 --> 1:21:43.400 the bad. 1:21:44.680 --> 1:21:48.519 Yes, yes, I mean, I mean, I think going back 1:21:48.560 --> 1:21:50.719 to Greenland, if you really think about it, I think 1:21:51.680 --> 1:21:54.840 President Trump sees it as a massive real estate deal. 1:21:55.920 --> 1:21:58.519 And uh, you know, you look. 1:21:58.360 --> 1:22:03.280 Through history Jefferson Louisiana purchase, and then uh and then 1:22:03.360 --> 1:22:06.439 Alaska and and so on, and I think he sees 1:22:06.479 --> 1:22:07.840 that this is his legacy. 1:22:08.000 --> 1:22:09.680 But this is a big, big, you know. 1:22:09.680 --> 1:22:13.960 Three times Texas, and this could be his legacy. 1:22:14.640 --> 1:22:15.360 I guess. 1:22:15.479 --> 1:22:19.439 But yeah, and maybe that's why I'm so obsessed with Greenland, 1:22:19.439 --> 1:22:21.720 I guess. And but but pursuing that is, you know, 1:22:21.760 --> 1:22:25.200 we lose Europe, we lose NATO's gone. That certainly makes 1:22:25.240 --> 1:22:29.360 Putin happy, and it seems like it strengthens our enemies, 1:22:29.400 --> 1:22:32.840 whether it's UH, Russia, but particularly China, maybe even Iran too. 1:22:34.640 --> 1:22:37.160 Well. Anything that does you know, like I said, I 1:22:37.160 --> 1:22:40.200 mean the allies, the US and its allies are the 1:22:40.240 --> 1:22:44.640 Allies are probably one of the key strengths of you know, 1:22:44.680 --> 1:22:48.960 American power around the world. And if we need to 1:22:49.040 --> 1:22:53.240 value them, and if we lose them China, Russia, Iran, 1:22:53.680 --> 1:22:58.240 that that that whole coalition just gets stronger relatively speaking. 1:22:58.360 --> 1:23:01.439 So I don't think it's worth it. But you know, 1:23:01.840 --> 1:23:05.360 we're in a situation now where that's where we are. 1:23:05.560 --> 1:23:08.000 I mean, we have to accept reality. But we'll see 1:23:08.439 --> 1:23:11.679 we can manage is this is this is tricky because 1:23:11.880 --> 1:23:13.679 you know they you know, don't forget the other side 1:23:13.720 --> 1:23:16.200 has a pride to Yeah, that's I think. 1:23:16.040 --> 1:23:18.000 That's a good point, is that, you know, when when 1:23:18.080 --> 1:23:21.280 we're getting a standing ovation for putting down the United States, 1:23:21.320 --> 1:23:23.720 and that should get our attention. At the same time, though, 1:23:23.960 --> 1:23:25.639 there's a tea leaves of your I was talking about, 1:23:25.760 --> 1:23:28.240 you know that being empathetic towards Europe, but you know 1:23:28.320 --> 1:23:31.919 it's there. Their social policies are terrible over there, immigration 1:23:32.040 --> 1:23:35.240 is terrible over there. It's not like their economies are 1:23:35.400 --> 1:23:36.160 burgeoning either. 1:23:36.520 --> 1:23:36.680 Uh. 1:23:36.760 --> 1:23:39.360 At the same time, yea, with the subsession with Greenland, 1:23:40.160 --> 1:23:42.400 we saw how this played out to some degree in Canada. 1:23:43.240 --> 1:23:45.519 You know, they had an election there and you know 1:23:45.720 --> 1:23:47.719 there's a lot of people in Europe that are leaning 1:23:47.760 --> 1:23:49.719 to the right. They went there's it feels like almost 1:23:49.760 --> 1:23:51.080 I don't know if it's a majority, but there's a 1:23:51.120 --> 1:23:55.160 tipping point for nationalism versus globalism, and it's going nationalism's way. 1:23:54.840 --> 1:23:57.600 There's a right lean to Europe, at least with a 1:23:57.640 --> 1:24:00.280 lot of people. Anyway, we watch what happened in Canada, uh, 1:24:00.320 --> 1:24:04.640 and I think what happened with Trump and Canada is 1:24:04.680 --> 1:24:07.519 instead of having a right wing ally come in uh, 1:24:07.600 --> 1:24:11.160 they ended up being ruled by another liberal globalist. 1:24:12.040 --> 1:24:15.519 Yeah, or a technocrat kind of Jarney's kind of he's 1:24:15.640 --> 1:24:20.400 kind of uh, you know, like a international organization CFO 1:24:21.120 --> 1:24:24.200 type of god. Very intelligent Carney. But you know, the 1:24:24.200 --> 1:24:27.120 the other thing that the big news uh yesterday was 1:24:27.240 --> 1:24:32.000 his speech in in UH in Switzerland, where he called 1:24:32.840 --> 1:24:34.800 he called the bargain with the United States is no 1:24:34.920 --> 1:24:40.559 longer working and yeah, yeah, and that the US world 1:24:40.680 --> 1:24:45.400 order is uh in a stage of disruption or or 1:24:45.479 --> 1:24:47.920 rupturing and I guess is the word he used. And 1:24:47.960 --> 1:24:51.560 that's remarkable given given the trade flows, and that the 1:24:51.560 --> 1:24:54.040 the US with I don't know what they call it now, 1:24:54.080 --> 1:24:57.519 but NAFTA is a per negotiation. So I was a 1:24:57.560 --> 1:25:01.920 little bit startled by how public he was with that position. Yeah, 1:25:01.920 --> 1:25:05.000 you got a standing, Oh of course, so it yes, 1:25:05.240 --> 1:25:08.880 I mean there's always you know, it's not like I said, 1:25:08.920 --> 1:25:10.639 it's not a real estate deal. I mean you're dealing 1:25:10.680 --> 1:25:15.479 with nations and politics and national pride and so on. 1:25:16.000 --> 1:25:21.320 So yeah, it's just it's a little just a little 1:25:21.360 --> 1:25:23.400 bit more voliative. We're in a very it's kind of 1:25:23.439 --> 1:25:28.479 an age of people. The World War two order seems 1:25:28.479 --> 1:25:30.800 to be coming to an end, and what's going to 1:25:30.880 --> 1:25:33.280 emerge is hard to see. 1:25:33.880 --> 1:25:36.280 Brave New World. He is Carl Delfeld. 1:25:36.360 --> 1:25:39.960 Carl is on the show this morning on seven hundred 1:25:40.000 --> 1:25:42.160 W Lowty talking about Green Leave. We'll see how plays 1:25:42.160 --> 1:25:45.120 out at Davos today. He's the Independent Republican Senior Fellow 1:25:45.200 --> 1:25:47.720 the Center for Economic Security. Thanks again, Carl, the. 1:25:47.640 --> 1:25:50.080 Best, Thank you. I have a good day. 1:25:50.120 --> 1:25:52.120 You two news on the way in just minutes, completely 1:25:52.200 --> 1:25:54.400 updating and what's happening around the world in here and 1:25:54.479 --> 1:25:56.000 keep an eye on the markets with all this noise 1:25:56.040 --> 1:25:56.519 too as well. 1:25:56.560 --> 1:25:56.920 Sloaney. 1:25:57.040 --> 1:25:59.840 Back in about six minutes on seven hundred WLW with 1:25:59.840 --> 1:26:26.320 this report. 1:26:16.120 --> 1:26:22.200 A good she shut that pig, the snort report. 1:26:22.680 --> 1:26:23.960 All right, snort report time. 1:26:24.640 --> 1:26:24.960 You know what? 1:26:25.000 --> 1:26:29.439 I just saw memories the other day. Sorry, ooh, got 1:26:29.479 --> 1:26:33.679 some new headphones We're get used to. Okay, the who's 1:26:33.800 --> 1:26:35.040 your glue? 1:26:35.120 --> 1:26:35.639 Is in mine? 1:26:35.760 --> 1:26:38.240 But speaking of glue, what were you hoff in this morning? 1:26:38.320 --> 1:26:38.640 I don't know. 1:26:38.680 --> 1:26:40.360 I'm kind of I'm not one hundred percent right now. 1:26:40.400 --> 1:26:42.240 I was up late last night watching Miami. 1:26:42.320 --> 1:26:43.040 Oops. 1:26:43.080 --> 1:26:47.320 Oh back to back o t wins twenty and oh 1:26:47.400 --> 1:26:49.599 this team refuses to lose. 1:26:49.680 --> 1:26:52.280 I love it because here's Sarah you know, finally rag 1:26:52.560 --> 1:26:55.320 you want if you want to know which team in 1:26:55.360 --> 1:26:58.160 the region is doing well, you just look at what 1:26:58.200 --> 1:27:00.840 she's wearing. She's rocking her brand new Miami had with 1:27:00.880 --> 1:27:01.639 a tag on it. 1:27:01.880 --> 1:27:03.800 I think I've had this thing since I graduated. We 1:27:03.840 --> 1:27:05.120 don't need to talk about the date. 1:27:06.280 --> 1:27:09.240 There is no greater front runner in sports than sarahly. 1:27:09.680 --> 1:27:13.879 I was wearing my indie gear on Tuesday. Go Hoosier, 1:27:14.960 --> 1:27:17.800 big fan of big big kirt girl. 1:27:18.280 --> 1:27:20.479 Couldn't tell you where you love. 1:27:20.400 --> 1:27:22.840 What his daughter had tweeted out the other day. Of course, 1:27:22.840 --> 1:27:26.639 we talked about all the things trending on social Yes, 1:27:27.280 --> 1:27:29.520 she goes, look he's finally he's smiling. 1:27:30.560 --> 1:27:32.759 She put up a pic of her down. 1:27:33.400 --> 1:27:35.920 You watched the I'm watching the game, and I only 1:27:35.960 --> 1:27:36.679 got to watch. 1:27:36.479 --> 1:27:38.000 The first half. I had to get up early the 1:27:38.040 --> 1:27:39.040 next day. The block of. 1:27:39.080 --> 1:27:42.240 Punt score a touchdown, and you look at him and 1:27:42.280 --> 1:27:44.720 you swear that Indiana is the one who had the 1:27:44.720 --> 1:27:45.240 punt block. 1:27:45.640 --> 1:27:46.160 You would have. 1:27:46.200 --> 1:27:48.040 Thought that they hit it on a note saying you've 1:27:48.040 --> 1:27:49.920 got jewry. Dude, he's pissed off. 1:27:49.960 --> 1:27:55.200 He was pissed off when his own team just a touchdown. 1:27:55.600 --> 1:27:58.360 So you just scored a defensive especial teams touchdown and 1:27:58.400 --> 1:27:59.280 you you look mad. 1:27:59.520 --> 1:28:01.000 He's just simple man too. 1:28:01.120 --> 1:28:03.519 I mean a few things do make him smile, especially 1:28:03.520 --> 1:28:05.240 when they say, so, how are you going to celebrate? 1:28:05.240 --> 1:28:07.040 He goes, just a cold beer. 1:28:07.360 --> 1:28:08.040 Yeah, it's pretty good. 1:28:08.080 --> 1:28:09.160 Ready makes him happy. 1:28:09.280 --> 1:28:11.080 He's talking about, well this is good because you know, 1:28:11.080 --> 1:28:13.720 I mean, sixty two, he's waited forever to get this 1:28:13.840 --> 1:28:16.000 job and everything. But you know he's talking about, well, 1:28:16.040 --> 1:28:18.679 I hopefully continue this because I need the money he made, 1:28:18.680 --> 1:28:20.040 like what thirteen fourteen mil? 1:28:20.600 --> 1:28:21.799 I think you're doing okay? 1:28:21.920 --> 1:28:24.000 I think you're good to go, right, and you can't 1:28:24.000 --> 1:28:26.960 really top what just happened. I mean it was his store. 1:28:27.360 --> 1:28:28.920 He's like, I'm not going to the NFL. I'm a 1:28:28.920 --> 1:28:30.960 college football because this is what I do. Good for him? 1:28:31.320 --> 1:28:33.280 Would you replace Zach Taylor? 1:28:34.280 --> 1:28:34.360 No? 1:28:35.040 --> 1:28:37.479 With this, he would know he wouldn't want the job. 1:28:37.960 --> 1:28:39.200 Why would he want to do that? 1:28:39.280 --> 1:28:41.240 Okay, but what if it was offered to him. 1:28:41.760 --> 1:28:46.120 I'd run because all you're going to do is take 1:28:46.160 --> 1:28:46.519 the row. 1:28:47.200 --> 1:28:48.280 You're gonna take the arrows. 1:28:48.320 --> 1:28:51.440 Wait, I get to be the head coach in the coordinator, 1:28:51.439 --> 1:28:53.559 and also I get to be the head Chiefs guy. 1:28:53.640 --> 1:28:56.400 And also I got to be the face of the franchise. 1:28:56.640 --> 1:28:57.080 I'm good. 1:28:57.160 --> 1:28:58.120 What a better face? 1:28:58.680 --> 1:28:59.200 I'm good. 1:29:01.280 --> 1:29:02.040 Last night. 1:29:03.760 --> 1:29:06.040 We got to give brobst our guy Peter Soonter with 1:29:06.160 --> 1:29:08.719 twenty seven points for the red Ogs. 1:29:09.120 --> 1:29:10.439 I'm still going to talk about them. 1:29:10.800 --> 1:29:13.760 We've got one more game until I'm there, and so 1:29:14.120 --> 1:29:18.400 I'm there on the thirty first for Alumni weeked Oh great. Yeah, 1:29:18.479 --> 1:29:20.519 we got a double hudder with the ladies hoops at 1:29:20.520 --> 1:29:23.080 one and then the men playing at three point thirty 1:29:23.080 --> 1:29:23.559 at Molett. 1:29:23.640 --> 1:29:25.400 So do't we get to be back there? I'm excited. 1:29:25.560 --> 1:29:26.400 Go back to campus. 1:29:26.520 --> 1:29:29.760 Go back to campus, bagel and deli, maybe grab a drink, 1:29:29.760 --> 1:29:33.200 a brick street, right, feel real old and creepy, go. 1:29:33.240 --> 1:29:37.920 Hang out with other white People's great. 1:29:36.920 --> 1:29:41.680 Lots of that happening in Oxford. Lots of that. We 1:29:41.760 --> 1:29:42.680 do have some hoops to know. 1:29:43.520 --> 1:29:47.240 Let's go, Okay, give me all the vineyard. Yea vines, Miami, 1:29:47.280 --> 1:29:48.160 It's official logo. 1:29:48.360 --> 1:29:52.759 That's when Sarah was in her very preppy era. Hey, Tom, 1:29:52.760 --> 1:29:56.080 we were just talking about the Hoosiers. What are you 1:29:56.120 --> 1:29:58.439 still doing here? By the way, so late in the moment. 1:30:00.200 --> 1:30:03.560 He does well, he's got got meetings. I'm guessing the meetings. 1:30:04.280 --> 1:30:07.559 Kiss yes, kiss, and so yeah, tonight we got some hoops. 1:30:07.640 --> 1:30:10.880 The you see Bearcats a late one nine o'clock tonight 1:30:10.880 --> 1:30:12.479 against number one Aramanda. 1:30:13.160 --> 1:30:14.840 Though I know, can they do it again? 1:30:14.920 --> 1:30:15.519 Well, here's the thing. 1:30:15.560 --> 1:30:17.840 You show up paper bags and boo the team and 1:30:17.840 --> 1:30:19.559 all the stuff. You shouldn't do that, and guess what 1:30:19.600 --> 1:30:20.240 they want. 1:30:20.240 --> 1:30:22.720 Got some fire under their And I didn't really see 1:30:22.760 --> 1:30:25.679 any of the paper bags. We talked about the paper 1:30:25.680 --> 1:30:28.080 bags last week. I didn't really see those in the stands. 1:30:29.960 --> 1:30:34.440 Xavier Tonight's Blue Jays at seven o'clock. 1:30:36.000 --> 1:30:37.240 Very ridiculous. 1:30:38.120 --> 1:30:39.840 We're gonna start that in Pittsburgh next year. If they 1:30:39.880 --> 1:30:42.360 can't win, plastic bags on your heads. 1:30:43.880 --> 1:30:45.240 They got to get a coach first. 1:30:46.160 --> 1:30:49.000 Do you think Tomlin really stepped down or was there 1:30:49.040 --> 1:30:49.800 some conversation. 1:30:50.040 --> 1:30:50.960 Oh, that's a good question. 1:30:51.120 --> 1:30:52.120 It's time to get out of here. 1:30:52.240 --> 1:30:54.000 One every year. I mean, it's pretty good record. 1:30:54.200 --> 1:30:55.439 It's okay, it's okay. 1:30:56.240 --> 1:30:59.479 Uh, sixty four days until opening day and the fans 1:30:59.520 --> 1:31:02.120 were definitely sited over the weekend at Reds Fest, almost 1:31:02.160 --> 1:31:05.280 a record about twenty two thousand people in attendance for 1:31:05.320 --> 1:31:05.679 that one. 1:31:06.080 --> 1:31:06.800 Yeah, not bad. 1:31:06.880 --> 1:31:10.200 It felt crowded too Friday night a little packs was 1:31:10.240 --> 1:31:15.320 it packed? Very yeah? Shoulder to shoulder, the field down. 1:31:15.320 --> 1:31:15.800 Those are good. 1:31:16.160 --> 1:31:17.000 People were excited. 1:31:17.040 --> 1:31:17.679 They were excited. 1:31:17.760 --> 1:31:22.720 Yeah, especially during team intros introducing Tito. Ellie de la 1:31:22.760 --> 1:31:25.439 Cruz got a lot of applause. I don't know how 1:31:25.439 --> 1:31:27.280 Ellie feels about us here in Cincinnati though. 1:31:27.479 --> 1:31:28.320 About that contract? 1:31:28.920 --> 1:31:33.320 What yeah, what does that contract look like? Ain't he 1:31:33.360 --> 1:31:34.040 said no, thank you? 1:31:35.160 --> 1:31:36.720 And Scott looked at that thing like, you know what, 1:31:36.800 --> 1:31:38.559 maybe you could do better here in a couple of years. 1:31:39.000 --> 1:31:41.479 But we do have him through twenty twenty seven. Okay, 1:31:41.960 --> 1:31:42.799 so he stuck. 1:31:43.040 --> 1:31:44.400 He's here, he's red. 1:31:44.640 --> 1:31:45.400 But the reads are. 1:31:45.320 --> 1:31:49.920 Saying, it's apparently the largest contract in franchise history after 1:31:49.960 --> 1:31:52.800 what they offered to Joey Vado about ten years ago. 1:31:54.400 --> 1:31:57.919 Ten years ago is a big difference from these contracts 1:31:57.920 --> 1:31:59.360 that these kids are getting nowadays. 1:31:59.520 --> 1:32:01.040 Kids, kids, these kids. 1:32:01.280 --> 1:32:03.479 I did feel old. I'm like all of these guys 1:32:03.479 --> 1:32:04.200 on our team. 1:32:04.040 --> 1:32:06.400 Talking about front runners. Bream is getting bundled up here 1:32:06.439 --> 1:32:08.840 to go. He's got his Ohio state buck guy's hat on. 1:32:09.120 --> 1:32:10.960 He looks like he's going to perfect North. 1:32:11.120 --> 1:32:14.120 The two front runners in here. He's got state in Miami. 1:32:14.240 --> 1:32:15.679 It's not that Gold out there. 1:32:19.240 --> 1:32:21.760 Still has the national championship. 1:32:22.160 --> 1:32:24.040 We never talked about Ohio stayed in here. 1:32:24.800 --> 1:32:27.920 It's because I'm not You're not getting paid by paid, 1:32:29.000 --> 1:32:30.559 don't even get paid to be in here. 1:32:30.520 --> 1:32:33.560 Probably not do I Hey, wait a minute. 1:32:33.920 --> 1:32:34.760 The heck is going on. 1:32:35.680 --> 1:32:38.960 Somebody who's definitely getting paid Trending on social media Joe 1:32:39.000 --> 1:32:42.200 Burrow because he posted on Twitter for the first time 1:32:42.240 --> 1:32:44.759 in two years, and people are like, Wow, your password 1:32:44.840 --> 1:32:45.400 still works. 1:32:45.400 --> 1:32:49.519 That's amazing, you know what That's I like that about 1:32:49.560 --> 1:32:51.200 Joe where he's like, I'm not leaning in this. 1:32:51.360 --> 1:32:53.160 He doesn't have to get on social, he doesn't have 1:32:53.160 --> 1:32:56.280 to do anything. But he got on Monday, and I 1:32:56.280 --> 1:32:58.960 guess this was in response to, like all the controversial 1:32:59.000 --> 1:33:01.839 calls and the Bills Uncle's game and Bears versus Rams. 1:33:01.960 --> 1:33:03.840 I'm sure you don't want to talk about that Bill's game. 1:33:05.040 --> 1:33:06.040 You're fine with Josh. 1:33:05.920 --> 1:33:08.680 Allen Stoun's new head coach, but what did you think 1:33:08.680 --> 1:33:10.599 about the teary eyed press thereafter? 1:33:10.880 --> 1:33:12.320 It makes me love Josh even more. 1:33:12.600 --> 1:33:15.439 That's how I feel too. My dad was texting me. 1:33:15.479 --> 1:33:17.080 He's like, I can't even bear to watch that. 1:33:17.240 --> 1:33:20.400 I know, grown man like you to, like he took 1:33:20.400 --> 1:33:22.000 it all, you know, and when they win, it's all 1:33:22.000 --> 1:33:24.160 over the team, and you know, when when they lose, 1:33:24.200 --> 1:33:24.720 it's all him. 1:33:24.880 --> 1:33:27.360 I feel like he thought a lot of that was 1:33:27.400 --> 1:33:29.240 on him, like it was that they lost. 1:33:29.280 --> 1:33:31.240 It's kind of all the turnovers. 1:33:30.960 --> 1:33:33.080 Was the pick and everything else. But I mean there 1:33:33.080 --> 1:33:36.400 was there James Cook, how'd that go? 1:33:36.960 --> 1:33:38.680 How many have taken off? 1:33:39.240 --> 1:33:40.519 Todd Fraser was back? 1:33:41.080 --> 1:33:42.479 And do you look like naked? 1:33:43.439 --> 1:33:44.439 Wouldn't you like to know? 1:33:44.720 --> 1:33:48.000 I'm asking about that because I think he and Todd 1:33:48.400 --> 1:33:51.120 Red Striped Poker Todd. 1:33:50.920 --> 1:33:55.120 Overall came in thirteenth. He placed thirteenth, and that's you. 1:33:55.840 --> 1:34:00.519 Yeah, wrong with you. 1:34:00.640 --> 1:34:03.559 Joe Burrow tweeted the amount of people you put clothes 1:34:03.600 --> 1:34:05.960 back on the amount of people it's freezing in here, 1:34:06.080 --> 1:34:08.200 by the way, he said, the amount of people that 1:34:08.320 --> 1:34:12.479 don't understand what it catches in the rule book flabbergasted me. 1:34:13.120 --> 1:34:15.400 And it's not the officials that two plays yesterday were 1:34:15.400 --> 1:34:18.360 not difficult calls and they got them both right. So 1:34:18.360 --> 1:34:21.519 that's what Joe Burrow had tweeted on Monday, and people 1:34:21.560 --> 1:34:24.760 lost their minds over the tweet. I think a lot 1:34:24.800 --> 1:34:26.519 of people didn't even really look at the tweet. They 1:34:26.520 --> 1:34:29.040 were just looking at the fact that he was on social. 1:34:29.120 --> 1:34:30.400 I don't see much of their that the one of 1:34:30.400 --> 1:34:32.200 the Rams game, of the one in the England England game. 1:34:32.240 --> 1:34:33.840 It's like they close to me. 1:34:33.920 --> 1:34:36.120 Yeah, I didn't get a chance to watch be similar, so. 1:34:36.040 --> 1:34:37.519 Who at least I mean they here's the thing. 1:34:37.520 --> 1:34:39.320 Okay, you can go either way, right, I'll agree with 1:34:39.400 --> 1:34:42.360 Joe on that one, but the argument isn't what it 1:34:42.439 --> 1:34:43.880 was kid. It was a fact that why didn't you 1:34:43.880 --> 1:34:45.360 stop the game and look at it like the other 1:34:45.360 --> 1:34:47.720 two games did. They stopped and said, we need to 1:34:47.760 --> 1:34:49.000 make sure we got the right call. 1:34:49.960 --> 1:34:52.760 That was the problem, and that's why Joe was tweeting. 1:34:53.040 --> 1:34:54.599 That what he's not what he said though, he said, 1:34:54.640 --> 1:34:56.040 you need to see what it catches. Well, you got 1:34:56.080 --> 1:34:57.720 to take time to look and to make sure that's 1:34:57.800 --> 1:34:58.519 actually what. 1:34:58.400 --> 1:35:00.320 It is, right right, No, get it. 1:35:00.320 --> 1:35:02.120 I just didn't get a chance to watch him on Saturday, 1:35:02.120 --> 1:35:03.800 which it doesn't look like I've missed a whole lot 1:35:04.080 --> 1:35:08.560 because now it's Patriots Broncos, Rams at Seahawks. 1:35:08.640 --> 1:35:11.040 Yes, now we also have, you know, speaking of Joe 1:35:11.080 --> 1:35:14.040 burrowin coaching in Cincinnati, Zach Taylor last man standing in 1:35:14.080 --> 1:35:17.200 the AFC North the coaches. But what does that say 1:35:17.200 --> 1:35:20.080 about the Bengals now that all the teams in the 1:35:20.120 --> 1:35:23.720 AFC North have have new head coaches coming in in 1:35:23.800 --> 1:35:26.719 the process of different Bill's just fired and to getting 1:35:26.760 --> 1:35:31.000 new head coach Day Bills Ins fired Sean McDermott, who 1:35:31.439 --> 1:35:33.880 advanced in the divisionals and lost again. So he's gone 1:35:33.880 --> 1:35:37.679 to the playoff eight to nine years, two AFC championship games, 1:35:37.800 --> 1:35:38.720 never got the Super Bowl. 1:35:38.880 --> 1:35:41.479 He's out in the Buffalo. What does that say about 1:35:41.479 --> 1:35:42.280 the Bengals. 1:35:42.000 --> 1:35:46.920 Different expectations. That's all there is to it. We are 1:35:47.120 --> 1:35:51.400 okay with just being there, just showing up and having 1:35:51.479 --> 1:35:54.559 good attendance. I mean, in that press conference, Duke Togin 1:35:54.600 --> 1:35:57.880 went on about how much he loves Zach Taylor, big 1:35:58.000 --> 1:36:00.640 Zach Taylor fan, and there's a guy. We're not going 1:36:00.720 --> 1:36:05.160 to make any staff changes whatsoever. Everyone's returning. We're good 1:36:05.200 --> 1:36:07.320 on our end. I guess six and eleven is good. 1:36:07.439 --> 1:36:10.200 When the Bengals win five games next year that one, then. 1:36:10.080 --> 1:36:11.320 They're gonna extend zapp tailor. 1:36:13.520 --> 1:36:16.120 Speaking of Sean McDermott, the Bills did post on social 1:36:16.160 --> 1:36:19.679 media last night a bunch of picks of Sean and 1:36:20.080 --> 1:36:21.839 they said, hey, thanks for everything. 1:36:22.840 --> 1:36:23.120 Awesome. 1:36:23.160 --> 1:36:25.040 He wrapped his arms around the city like Exac did hear. 1:36:25.040 --> 1:36:26.599 I mean, people, I think as Zach, you know, holl 1:36:26.600 --> 1:36:28.240 go out. He's doing stuff that no other coach did, 1:36:28.439 --> 1:36:30.120 you know, handing game balls out and stuff like that. 1:36:30.200 --> 1:36:31.840 Then good will goes along with And that was cool 1:36:31.840 --> 1:36:33.680 a few years ago, but we got to get back 1:36:33.720 --> 1:36:35.800 to that. It's not cool when you're losing. None of 1:36:35.800 --> 1:36:39.240 that stuff is fun. Nothing is funny when you're six 1:36:39.280 --> 1:36:40.000 In all Yeah. 1:36:39.840 --> 1:36:41.280 With this offense, there's no excuse. 1:36:41.600 --> 1:36:44.200 No, well there isn't. You're paying these guys a ton 1:36:44.240 --> 1:36:44.599 of money. 1:36:44.640 --> 1:36:47.040 Yeah, next year Joe will be in everyone's gonna be 1:36:47.040 --> 1:36:49.080 a year older, and we know what that means in 1:36:49.080 --> 1:36:51.799 the NFL, he will almost be thirty. 1:36:52.080 --> 1:36:56.200 Yes, we have him till twenty twenty nine. 1:36:56.280 --> 1:36:56.800 What is that me? 1:36:58.200 --> 1:37:00.320 We've got him till twenty track. 1:37:00.400 --> 1:37:02.360 But again, a lot of things gonna happen between How 1:37:02.680 --> 1:37:03.800 so much could happen? 1:37:03.880 --> 1:37:05.760 Oh my gosh, there were rumors that Joe was going 1:37:05.840 --> 1:37:06.720 to bail on us. 1:37:06.880 --> 1:37:09.040 I mean, there's injuries, there's the rest of the team. 1:37:09.160 --> 1:37:12.360 There's there. Yeah, let's hope the injuries are. 1:37:12.280 --> 1:37:14.080 Done every year. That's a problem. 1:37:14.160 --> 1:37:15.080 Yep, yep. 1:37:16.240 --> 1:37:20.400 I'm also trending on social media. I guess the Chargers are. 1:37:20.200 --> 1:37:22.560 Planning to hire Mike. 1:37:24.000 --> 1:37:28.160 McCarthy. Yep, no, no, oh, Mike McDaniel, McDaniel. I saw 1:37:28.200 --> 1:37:30.000 that they're going to hire him. Yeah, next head coach. 1:37:30.080 --> 1:37:31.080 Yeah, that was just coming in. 1:37:31.160 --> 1:37:32.920 So it's coming hot, hot, in. 1:37:32.920 --> 1:37:34.519 Heavy, coming in hot, coming in hot. 1:37:34.880 --> 1:37:36.880 Also they already have a coach. 1:37:37.000 --> 1:37:40.160 Yes, yes, I'm like, we got new news, we got 1:37:40.160 --> 1:37:42.519 new news, and then the Teddy Bear Toss is this 1:37:42.640 --> 1:37:46.200 weekend for the Cincinnati Cyclones, their biggest game of the 1:37:46.360 --> 1:37:48.760 entire season on Saturday, especial Mattine for that. 1:37:50.160 --> 1:37:51.880 You know what, they're okay, they took two or three 1:37:51.880 --> 1:37:52.599 over the weekend. 1:37:53.280 --> 1:37:54.320 Were they in the standings. 1:37:55.000 --> 1:37:56.559 I'm not sure about that. I need to look at 1:37:56.560 --> 1:37:57.080 It means. 1:37:57.120 --> 1:37:59.640 Not very well because you would be wearing your Cyclones. 1:37:59.200 --> 1:38:02.920 Had right first or first or you're out. 1:38:03.120 --> 1:38:04.240 Yeah, but Teddy Bear tosses. 1:38:05.160 --> 1:38:08.240 One of their goalies just got called up yesterday. So yeah, 1:38:08.360 --> 1:38:08.960 after they. 1:38:08.840 --> 1:38:11.840 Lost on on Monday, the Teddy Bear toss is a 1:38:11.840 --> 1:38:12.360 big thing here. 1:38:12.439 --> 1:38:13.280 It's a huge thing. 1:38:13.360 --> 1:38:15.920 So yeah, you bring a new or gently used Teddy bear, 1:38:16.000 --> 1:38:18.439 toss it onto the isis and signed Police and Fire Department. 1:38:18.439 --> 1:38:20.200 We'll collect them and they go to kids and needs. 1:38:20.280 --> 1:38:21.240 So it's a great thing. 1:38:21.320 --> 1:38:21.479 Yeah. 1:38:21.479 --> 1:38:23.760 They've got their big frozen five and ten k race 1:38:23.800 --> 1:38:27.960 on Saturday boarding and it will definitely be frozen outside. 1:38:28.120 --> 1:38:29.280 I think it's going to be a high of like 1:38:29.400 --> 1:38:31.440 ten some snow on the ground. 1:38:31.360 --> 1:38:34.960 Feather oh yeah yeah, so be ready to be frozen. 1:38:35.360 --> 1:38:37.160 You think someday somebody will come in and like just 1:38:37.200 --> 1:38:38.040 throw a live bear. 1:38:39.840 --> 1:38:42.679 Good luck getting through security. I can barely get through 1:38:42.680 --> 1:38:45.599 with my little zip block bag at Heritage Bank Center. 1:38:46.000 --> 1:38:48.200 If you can get through with a live bell. 1:38:48.280 --> 1:38:51.200 A bear, cub Hey, that one's moving. 1:38:51.840 --> 1:38:55.360 Damn some lucky good luck getting that onto. 1:38:55.360 --> 1:38:57.639 The lucky kid gets their live. Here you go, there's 1:38:57.680 --> 1:38:59.000 a live there's a real bear. 1:38:59.240 --> 1:38:59.519 I know. 1:38:59.600 --> 1:39:03.120 You just ever know what toss all kind of crazy things. 1:39:04.000 --> 1:39:06.400 It doesn't have to necessarily be a teddy bear, can 1:39:06.439 --> 1:39:07.280 be any sort of But. 1:39:07.280 --> 1:39:09.000 So you work down there for long. What's the crazy 1:39:09.040 --> 1:39:10.280 thing you saw somebody throw on the eye. 1:39:10.439 --> 1:39:12.400 The giant corn dog from a couple of years ago, 1:39:12.800 --> 1:39:15.760 the corner dog was stuffed corn dog, and then that 1:39:15.840 --> 1:39:19.439 thing went viral and now they sell corn dogs at 1:39:19.479 --> 1:39:20.160 Heritage Bank. 1:39:20.960 --> 1:39:23.080 It was the greatest thing I've everd A couple of 1:39:23.120 --> 1:39:23.479 years ago. 1:39:24.520 --> 1:39:26.600 Yeah, it was about three years ago, and me and 1:39:26.840 --> 1:39:28.000 my Tiff and I were at that game. 1:39:28.200 --> 1:39:29.960 Was like mustard stained on the on the ice. You 1:39:29.960 --> 1:39:30.680 couldn't get it off. 1:39:30.960 --> 1:39:33.240 And everyone loved it so much that they decided to 1:39:33.280 --> 1:39:35.519 sell actual corn dogs that you can eat and little 1:39:35.560 --> 1:39:36.719 plushy corn dogs. 1:39:37.040 --> 1:39:39.160 I have one of those little plushes. 1:39:38.880 --> 1:39:40.400 Plush corn Your dog hasn't chewed it. 1:39:40.439 --> 1:39:42.280 Up yet she hasn't know. She's too old for that. 1:39:42.400 --> 1:39:42.719 Gotcha? 1:39:42.960 --> 1:39:45.120 Okay, the corn dogs though. 1:39:45.000 --> 1:39:47.960 Sarah Leason the Snort report this morning here on seven hundred, 1:39:48.400 --> 1:39:49.240 how many snorts steak? 1:39:49.240 --> 1:39:51.080 Because you're tired, I'm most sleeping. 1:39:51.120 --> 1:39:52.960 I was up way too late last night watching that game. 1:39:53.040 --> 1:39:54.360 And now you got to go to corporate meetings. 1:39:54.400 --> 1:39:57.880 Corporates got a four hour meeting ahead of what they 1:39:57.880 --> 1:39:59.320 possibly talk about for four hours. 1:39:59.400 --> 1:40:01.400 It's really credible. Will you do it every day? 1:40:01.760 --> 1:40:01.920 No? 1:40:01.920 --> 1:40:01.960 No? 1:40:02.040 --> 1:40:05.000 What can they talk about the the corporate overlords to 1:40:05.080 --> 1:40:06.400 you for four hours? 1:40:06.840 --> 1:40:08.920 This might be our last Snow report ever. Maybe they're 1:40:08.960 --> 1:40:09.680 firing all of us. 1:40:09.880 --> 1:40:11.599 It doesn't take four I'm going to fire. It doesn't 1:40:11.600 --> 1:40:13.599 take four hours. Again, if you're firing, takes four hours 1:40:13.600 --> 1:40:14.280 to get to the point. 1:40:14.400 --> 1:40:15.920 I think the last time I got fired, it was 1:40:15.920 --> 1:40:18.040 about four minutes. That's it. 1:40:18.120 --> 1:40:19.040 That's that. That's all takes. 1:40:19.120 --> 1:40:19.320 Yep. 1:40:19.360 --> 1:40:21.240 They're like, you got two weeks left here, so. 1:40:21.600 --> 1:40:23.479 Maybe two weeks they did. Damn. 1:40:23.960 --> 1:40:27.200 They said, we're cutting your job and you've got a 1:40:27.200 --> 1:40:29.760 couple of weeks left here with us, and then that's it. 1:40:29.880 --> 1:40:31.280 So they gave me a date and they were like, 1:40:31.320 --> 1:40:32.639 if you want to take the rest of the day, 1:40:32.680 --> 1:40:33.000 you can. 1:40:34.560 --> 1:40:39.760 Thanks, I'll take the rest of the day. It's five o'clock, all. 1:40:39.720 --> 1:40:41.280 Right, anyway. That's for another. 1:40:41.680 --> 1:40:42.160 That's everything. 1:40:42.200 --> 1:40:42.679 That's everything. 1:40:42.720 --> 1:40:45.360 You got a cupboard snort. The world of social media 1:40:45.360 --> 1:40:48.040 and sports colliding with Sarah Lease. Yes, tomorrow morning a 1:40:48.120 --> 1:40:50.599 kid Chris Show on one O two seven EBN. Willie 1:40:50.640 --> 1:40:53.640 is on the way coming up after news update. Scoonsland 1:40:53.640 --> 1:40:55.559 return tomorrow nine oh five. 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