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Speaker 1: News Radio seven hundred WLW. Mike got one in for

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Speaker 1: Garry Jeff Walker tonight. I'll tell you what. There is

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Speaker 1: so much going on this week and even just today,

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Speaker 1: but the big thing, I guess now, the left thinks

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Speaker 1: You know, you think you see everything. You may have

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Speaker 1: seen the video, if you watch any kind of news

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Speaker 1: at all, you have and you know, the only way

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Speaker 1: I can describe it, it's disgusting, you know, and of

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Speaker 1: course the left thinks this is perfectly acceptable. Well, here

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Speaker 1: to talk about it is Mark Tapson. He is the

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Speaker 1: author of a great op ed piece and I'll let

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Speaker 1: him explain it. Don Lemon domestic terror, drastic domestic terror,

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Speaker 1: pals invade church service and well he puts it on,

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Speaker 1: mister Lemon. Mark is a showman Fellow at the David

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Speaker 1: Horowitz Freedom Center, focusing on popular culture. He is also

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Speaker 1: the host of an original podcast on front Page, The

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Speaker 1: Right to Take with Mark Tapson. You can follow Mark

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Speaker 1: on substack.

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Speaker 2: Mark. Thanks so much for joining us tonight.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you something right out of the shoot here, Mark,

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Speaker 1: when you first saw that video of what happened Sunday

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Speaker 4: Well, of course it's aggravating and outraging, but very typical

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Speaker 4: terms of their so called protests should surprise anyone anymore,

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Speaker 4: their agitators, and ultimately, at the heart of it, violent revolutionaries.

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Speaker 4: The left have been violent revolutionaries going all the way

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Speaker 4: nature of the left, and so this is how they

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Speaker 4: carry out their protest. They claim they have a First

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Speaker 4: Amendment right to do something like bust into this church

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Speaker 5: That's false.

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Speaker 4: What they did was actually unlawful and unconstitutional, and hopefully

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Speaker 4: they're all going to find that out since arrests now

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Speaker 4: seem to be underway.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, it's an outrage and yet at the same

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Speaker 2: It really is.

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Speaker 1: I mean, but it's just like what will be next.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the arrogance, the nerve of these people. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the people in that church were worshiping, there were little

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Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 1: I hope, I hope it makes people angry because I'm

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Speaker 1: angry about it.

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Speaker 2: And You're right.

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Speaker 1: There were three arrests today, but the one that the

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Speaker 1: judge dismissed the charge already is your buddy, mister Lemon,

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Speaker 1: and bought tell you, I'm honked off about that. We

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Apparently this Minnesota magistrate denied the arrest of Donal

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Speaker 4: And that's what Don himself said was, Hey, I'm not

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Speaker 4: you know, hey, protests should make people feel uncomfortable. That's

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Speaker 4: actually false. That's the way the left sees it. But

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Speaker 4: what the First Amendment does, which Don Lemon claimed he's

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Speaker 4: protected by the First Amendment, gives petitioners or protesters the

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Speaker 4: right to assemble peaceably in public spaces and to petition

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Speaker 4: the government to address their grievances. You don't target innocence

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Speaker 4: who have no power to address those grievances.

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Speaker 6: And who indeed have nothing to do with them.

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Speaker 4: And also, churches are not public places, even though they

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Speaker 4: Don Lemon is wrong about that. But it's just, as

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Speaker 1: Well they got three of them indicted for some pretty

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Speaker 1: here Mark Okay, talking about our buddy Don Lemon, and

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Speaker 1: trigger you, Don, because your entire identity is wrapped up

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Speaker 1: in intersectional victimhood. But literally nobody in America cares that

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Speaker 1: you're black and or gay.

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Speaker 2: The white supremacy you feel the need.

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Speaker 1: To keep yiping fordwindy, Your dwindling audience is one of

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Speaker 1: because without that, you are nothing but a black gay man.

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Speaker 1: The reason you became the face of the mob is

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Speaker 1: because you embedded yourself with them, encouraged them, and supported

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Speaker 1: their terror actic terror tactics. And now you want to

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Speaker 1: You've made a career out of ignoring.

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Speaker 2: Mark. That's frant that I'll go in the Hall of fame.

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Speaker 4: Man, thank you well. Every now and then my political

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Speaker 4: I have to let it all out.

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Speaker 2: There's no question about it.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 4: What prompted that paragraph was that Don Lemon claimed that

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Speaker 4: this just this just drove me wild. I mean, as

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Speaker 4: gay and or right, but his identity is completely wrapped

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Speaker 4: And at the same time, he was going on podcasts

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Speaker 4: in this church white supremisist. Yes, this is just this

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Speaker 4: is just beyond the pale. This has to stop. This,

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Speaker 4: this demonizing of ordinary Americans as white supremacists. We have

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Speaker 1: I agree with you, and I've felt for a long

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Speaker 1: Legitimately, it's lost meaning now because it's thrown around like

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Speaker 1: But let me ask you this, I'm sorry, in your

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Speaker 2: My god, I mean, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, there'd be congressional investigations and there're probably be twenty

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it would be labeled a hate crime. I mean,

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Speaker 4: imagine if another example, imagine if Christian conservatives barged into

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Speaker 4: the end of it. The hypocrisy is just astounding. But

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Speaker 4: We can call them out on this until we're blue

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Speaker 4: And so it's although it's frustrating for us, it's not

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Speaker 1: Well, you're right about it, and that's a good way

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Speaker 1: But you're right. I mean, I've always said, I've said

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Speaker 1: is arrogance. They're right about everything. The hell with you

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Speaker 1: if you want to worship in your church. We're right

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's well as you were suggesting earlier

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Speaker 4: the left uses those terms to demonize anyone who disagrees

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Speaker 4: And I think conservatives are finally catching on and just

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Speaker 4: So so that that's something we need to keep in

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, let me just read one more short paragraph of

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Speaker 1: your excellent op ed piece talking about that clown, that idiot,

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Speaker 1: that crazy person, William Kelly. He's the big, tall guy

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Speaker 1: that looks like Grizzly Adams that was in the middle

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Speaker 1: DC based agitator William Kelly, who participated in the church

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Speaker 1: BONDI you f and traitors.

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Speaker 2: B word All power to the people.

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Speaker 1: That's I think these people, they're a sessed with the sixties.

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Speaker 1: They so much want to turn the clock back to that.

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Speaker 1: This guy's a piece of work though.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and maybe he shouldn't have dared Pambondi to come

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Speaker 4: he will regret saying that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, well, and she didn't waste any time either.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I'll tell you what. This just this

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you have. I just I've never seen anything

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Speaker 2: A little kid cry. I don't, you know. I just

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Speaker 1: This was great, though. Where can people follow you anything?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks, Mike. My substack is a good place to start.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely and boy, yours is right up there. Really appreciate this, Mark.

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Speaker 2: That was Mark Tapson with an incredible op ed piece.

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Speaker 1: an attorney. Boy, I'll tell you what. Given a kind

440
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Speaker 1: of a punch in the nose to attorneys here. And

441
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Speaker 1: she is a civil rights attorney.

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Speaker 2: Not only that, she's also an activist.

443
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Speaker 1: So in other words, she doesn't do a damn thing

444
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Speaker 1: to contribute to society.

445
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Speaker 2: And it gets better. And this one you could just

446
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:55,719
Speaker 2: you could just bet it.

447
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Speaker 1: She is a law professor at some rinky dink law

448
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: school somewhere. I forget which one it was, but law professor,

449
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: civil rights attorney, activist. Gee, you know what you're going

450
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Speaker 1: to get someone who does some deep thought with those

451
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Speaker 1: kind of credentials. And she quote leads activism against police violence.

452
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Speaker 1: This is I guess this is a kicker for this one.

453
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Speaker 1: She is an ordained minister, an ordained minister, and she

454
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Speaker 1: organizes and busts into a church on a Sunday in

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Speaker 1: the middle of worship service.

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Speaker 2: But she's an ordained minister. See, here's the thing.

457
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Speaker 1: These people, they never are held accountable to anyone for anything.

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Speaker 1: You can't do that, You just can't do that. You know, well,

459
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Speaker 1: I got the First Amendment right for this and that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, you got a First Amendment right to say

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Speaker 1: pretty much what.

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Speaker 2: You want to say.

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Speaker 1: There's some limits on it, but not many in this country,

464
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Speaker 1: thank goodness. But when words lead to action like it

465
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Speaker 1: did hear preventing these parishioners from worshiping, then it's not

466
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Speaker 1: protected by the First Amendment.

467
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Speaker 2: Somebody needs to tell these people that.

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Speaker 1: Well, here's the one that got indicted today, and he

469
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Speaker 1: was indicted later in the afternoon, and I am so

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Speaker 1: happy they got this guy, William Kelly. If you watch

471
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Speaker 1: this thing, you would see him. He's the I can't

472
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Speaker 1: call him what I want to call him. He called parishioners.

473
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Speaker 1: He's screaming and yelling. He looks like a dead grizzly Adams.

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Speaker 1: He called parishioners quote pretend to Christians, and he railed

475
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Speaker 1: against and he's white. He railed against comfortable white people,

476
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Speaker 1: and he's white. He's charged with conspiracy to deprive rights.

477
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Speaker 1: And uh, this guy's just bad news. Apparently he goes

478
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Speaker 1: all over the country doing this. But no, for me,

479
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Speaker 1: we got a caller here, We got RJ. We want

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Speaker 1: to hear what he is to say, Hey, r J,

481
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Speaker 1: how you doing?

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Speaker 2: Hello? Do we have r J?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: You got me?

485
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 2: Hey man, what you got yes, sir, loud and clear.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: And I was really interested to hear your your guest earlier.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good the.

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Speaker 8: Situation, because I think one of the real issues here

490
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Speaker 8: is is this is this is strategy that Anti Ice

491
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Speaker 8: and George Sorows lead people are doing, and that's they

492
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Speaker 8: want to be able to do stuff that's really repulsive.

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Speaker 8: Have conservatives good angry in such a way that they

494
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Speaker 8: that they have to that they want them to wash out.

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Speaker 8: And if they and and and if they do, there's

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Speaker 8: nothing they can do about it. And that's what I

497
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Speaker 8: think the big part of this whole thing. I know,

498
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Speaker 8: it's really irritating.

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Speaker 9: I mean, I hope that they can do something with this.

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Speaker 1: Kelly Fellah, did you hear did you hear him and

501
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: see him in this thing?

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Speaker 7: Yeah? Yeah, I've heard him screaming.

503
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Speaker 3: At the top of about.

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Speaker 7: Yes, you can't.

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Speaker 1: You can't do that in a house of worship. And well,

506
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Speaker 1: i'll tell you what. The Justice Apartment was so right

507
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Speaker 1: in indicting them like post haste, and that's what they did.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: Well, I mean, I mean Pam BONDI has had a

510
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Speaker 9: number of incidents where she's tried to where she has

511
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Speaker 9: come out and said, we're gonna, you know, we're gonna

512
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Speaker 9: hold these people.

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Speaker 8: Accountable of that kind of thing. But a lot of

514
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Speaker 8: times nothing happens. But I hope, I hope it does.

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Speaker 7: I remember that, remember the woman.

516
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Speaker 8: Last year the uh the judge in Wisconsin, guy.

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Speaker 7: Out of out of the uh.

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Speaker 2: Who is who is found guilty by a jury?

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Speaker 7: Was she found guilty by jury?

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Speaker 3: She was?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 1: She I don't think she spends sentenced yet, but she's

523
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Speaker 1: playing the victory too.

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Speaker 6: That's great news.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, because I was thinking about that earlier.

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Speaker 8: I was thinking, because I follow these incidents, and I said,

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Speaker 8: all right, I want to know that these people are

528
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Speaker 8: held accountable that because they should be.

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Speaker 1: That is your accountability is everything. You are so right

530
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Speaker 1: about that or okay.

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Speaker 7: And that's just the accountability.

532
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Speaker 9: But make it, make it public that this woman.

533
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Speaker 6: Was held accountable.

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Speaker 7: And I'm sure she is in prison.

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Speaker 1: She goes well, I don't think she spends sentenced yet,

536
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Speaker 1: but there should be some jail time for her.

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Speaker 8: You know, let it know that when you're going to

538
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Speaker 8: do something like this, something bad is gonna happen to you.

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Speaker 10: Ye.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what I like, Well, I spent three years as

541
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Speaker 1: a municipal court judge and I know sooner and and

542
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Speaker 1: my uh my fellow judges Democrat and Republican. No sooner

543
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Speaker 1: would have done something like that than we would have

544
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Speaker 1: shot somebody.

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Speaker 2: It's so inappropriate.

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Speaker 1: It's trying trying to evade the legal system, and I

547
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: don't have any sympathy for And of course she's playing

548
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: the victim. Now you could you could set your watch

549
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Speaker 1: by that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: But I think I think, you know, I think what

552
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Speaker 8: they do in these process, I think they have organized

553
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Speaker 8: strategies or they want to do something that's just a

554
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Speaker 8: little outside of the legal limits and see what the

555
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Speaker 8: police or the ice people do. And when they go

556
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Speaker 8: over the line, they get their lawyers, they say, you know,

557
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Speaker 8: it becomes a SoundBite and CNN, and they want and

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Speaker 8: and and of course their own uh their own uh

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Speaker 8: uh mayors and and and uh and governments protect them.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and that's.

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Speaker 6: What they want to do.

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Speaker 8: And they want to create an incident that becomes a

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Speaker 8: public kind of like a TV events and have people

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Speaker 8: see you know, a lot of people, a lot of

565
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Speaker 8: people don't see.

566
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Speaker 7: The stuff on the internet totally.

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Speaker 6: They see stuff on television, of.

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Speaker 9: Course is becoming more common.

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Speaker 7: They see stuff on the internet.

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Speaker 6: So a lot of people see a quick sound.

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Speaker 7: Bite and that's how they form their opinions.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right, And you're right.

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Speaker 1: A lot of especially with younger people, it comes from

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Speaker 1: social media, which a lot of times I don't think

575
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Speaker 1: is that accurate. But at least a lot of people,

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Speaker 1: it's not CDs, NBC and ABC.

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Speaker 8: Consider a lot of people don't have hours and hours

578
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Speaker 8: to check you know, to check things out of the news.

579
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Speaker 8: They you know, they got other the other things going

580
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Speaker 8: on in their life. They see a basic some short

581
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Speaker 8: clip for five minutes and then they do what they

582
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Speaker 8: got to do in life. I mean, that's that's a

583
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Speaker 8: big part of what's going on here. But I think

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Speaker 8: it's the main thing is what I thought, is this

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Speaker 8: is organized strategy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that bozo we were talking about William Kelly. I

587
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Speaker 1: saw a report. I guess it was yesterday. They're convinced

588
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Speaker 1: that he is being paid by somebody and and a

589
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: lot most of those agitators are.

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Speaker 2: And I think it probably would all lead back to a.

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Speaker 1: Guy named George Soros or someone like him, and somebody's

592
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Speaker 1: got to blow the whist.

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Speaker 5: On that too.

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Speaker 8: It would be nice to have to have him interrogated

595
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Speaker 8: with some force to maybe find out be able to

596
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Speaker 8: find out who some of these people are who are

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Speaker 8: directing him.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 9: And I gotta feel this is this is the type.

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Speaker 8: Of person who may or mean it may be some

601
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Speaker 8: much familiar with a prison. Yeah, because maybe he spent

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Speaker 8: some time there before.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't doubt it at all. Hey, you know what, though, RJ,

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Speaker 1: We're out of time. But I really Mike, appreciate your call. Okay,

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Speaker 1: take care, Okay, you have a great night, you too,

606
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Speaker 1: Thank you man. That guy was right on the money.

607
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: And you know what, it comes up on every show

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Speaker 1: that I do, on just about every topic, accountability. People

609
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Speaker 1: have to be held accountable, not just Republicans, not just conservatives,

610
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Speaker 1: but the other side too. Of course, when you got

611
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: you know, ninety five percent of the media on your side,

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00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: I guess it's kind of tough to do. But unless

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Speaker 1: we do that, we got problems. And again, like I said,

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Speaker 1: not just us, but them too. Hey, we got to

615
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Speaker 1: take a break for the news. But when we get back,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get legal here for a minute. But Steve

617
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Speaker 1: Gooden is such a good legal analyst. He breaks it

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Speaker 1: down to where everybody can understand it. I'm gonna have

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Speaker 1: him walk me through the charges that these three jokers

620
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Speaker 1: have accumulated today, and I'm gonna ask him to what

621
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Speaker 1: he thinks about Don Lemon Dodds in the bullet So

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Speaker 1: we'll do that when we get back. Mike Allen in

623
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Speaker 1: for Dan Carroll, seven hundred WLW, The's Radio seven hundred WLW.

624
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: Mike Allen in poor Dan Carroll tonight. Well, we've been

625
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Speaker 1: talking about it all night and it doesn't surprise me.

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Speaker 1: It's a big deal. He had church invasion that occurred

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Speaker 1: on Sunday. You know, I'm watching that not expecting it,

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Speaker 1: and just you ask yourself the question, what's next?

629
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Speaker 2: Who the hell do these people think they are?

630
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Speaker 1: To invade a church where people are worshiping, and then

631
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Speaker 1: Don Lemon apparently gets away with it.

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Speaker 2: He doubles down on it, and he wanted to lecture

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Speaker 2: the pastor.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, all the emotional stuff, I've got a lot of

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Speaker 1: that out of my system, not all of it. Let's

636
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Speaker 1: get down to brass tax and the legal issues involved

637
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Speaker 1: in this. And there's no one better to talk about

638
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: that than our next test talking about Steve Gooden. Steve

639
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: is in the jorney with the firm up Order right

640
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: where he handles complicated civil and criminal cases. If I

641
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: were ever in a jam, Steve Gooden would be the

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Speaker 1: guy that I would go to.

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Speaker 3: Steve.

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Speaker 2: How you doing tonight?

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00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 3: Hey, very good, Mike. I'm gonna have to get you

646
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 3: on retainer right now if you're gonna get in a jam. Yeah,

647
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 3: you never know about an engagement letter right now.

648
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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think you're good. I think you're good.

650
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Speaker 2: Okay, I hope I got all that crap behind me.

651
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Speaker 3: But hey, listen, I think you're great. Okay.

652
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Speaker 2: I gotta I gotta ask you this.

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Speaker 1: When you first saw this, and we didn't get a

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Speaker 1: chance to talk about it, but when you first saw this,

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming that you did.

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Speaker 2: What were your thoughts, I mean, what was going through

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Speaker 2: your mind? Not the legal stuff yet, but just what

658
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Speaker 2: were your thoughts.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, you were talking just a moment ago

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Speaker 3: about like how trying to put the.

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Speaker 10: Emotional stuff aside, And that's kind of.

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Speaker 3: Where I was too, you know, I grew up in

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Speaker 3: a church like that, and just the idea of someone

664
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Speaker 3: coming into a house of worship, in disrupting it to

665
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 3: make a political point and bringing in these cameras and

666
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 3: you know, making a video of it and basically making

667
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 3: the people in the church unwilling participants in their little

668
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 3: you know, uh street people that they were doing about

669
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 3: about about ice. I just I had such a visceral

670
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 3: personal reaction to it that I really had, you know,

671
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 3: I was really I was just angry. I couldn't think

672
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 3: about the legality of it. And the time I'm like

673
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 3: imagine sitting there in church, trying to worship, trying to

674
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 3: you know, contemplate, meditate, whatever whatever phrase you want to

675
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 3: use about what's right and wrong, and to digest you know,

676
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,439
Speaker 3: the homily that's being offered that day, and then these

677
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 3: idiots come in and suddenly you're a character in their play.

678
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 3: About ICE, and I guess, you know, their their perspective was,

679
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 3: you know, look it was you know, Saint Paul Minnesota,

680
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 3: which is, you know, I've spent some time out in

681
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 3: Minneapolis and I was in the Army, so you know,

682
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 3: you've got many St. Paul, which is almost kind of

683
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 3: like the Newport sort of Newport Comington together, you know,

684
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 3: the two cities that are right right by each other.

685
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 3: So it's Saint Paul, so your Minneapolis metro area. And

686
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 3: they had information we still don't know if it's accurate

687
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 3: or not that that one of the pastors at the

688
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,720
Speaker 3: church actually had done work for ICE or was involved

689
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 3: in ICE, I guess in his civilian job. So they're

690
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 3: going to make an example of them. And they storm

691
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 3: in there and you can just see these these people

692
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 3: and their faces and they're disgusted and they're confused, and

693
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 3: you know what is happening. And that was just my

694
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 3: initial reaction was, like, you know, just a personal reaction

695
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 3: to someone who spent many, many, many, you know, thousands

696
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 3: of hours sitting in church services eighty years, thinking like

697
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 3: my god, what are these people doing, Like there's nothing

698
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 3: more sacred. It's the First Amendment in our Constitution talks

699
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 3: about freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, and freedom of worship,

700
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 3: right and just it is fundamental to what the country's

701
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 3: founded on, and the idea that you could come in

702
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 3: there and use first of them in arguments like Don

703
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 3: Lemon does saying like, look, you know, we're we have

704
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 3: a First Amendment right. I'm like, no, actually, not to

705
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 3: disrupt you a First Amendment right to a symbol and

706
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 3: protest and speak, but to actually disrupt and interfere in

707
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 3: the house of worship is about as weird and sad

708
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 3: as a catch. I just it's really hard to think

709
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 3: about the legalities of it in the moment.

710
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Speaker 1: And I have sense I get that because you're a

711
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 1: normal human being talking about our friend Don Lemon. We'll

712
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: get into the legality situation with him. Here's what he's

713
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: quote as a saying, Steve, I think this was the

714
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:40,720
Speaker 1: next day. He's talking to somebody as some reporter. I guess, quote,

715
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: if you're going to be a representation of God, perhaps

716
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: you should conduct yourself as such close.

717
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 2: Quote Who in the hell is he to say that?

718
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it's stunning to me.

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Speaker 3: Well, I must have missed the part where someone made

720
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 3: Don Lemon God and made him into a position where

721
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 3: he can pass those guys of great judgments on everyone.

722
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Speaker 3: I mean, And that to me is the thing that's

723
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 3: so infuriating here because because I'm assuming you've heard, you know,

724
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 3: I talked about earlier today, you know, the DOJ has

725
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 3: charged three of the protesters so far under the so

726
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 3: called what they call the Face Act for you know,

727
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 3: and there's a long complicated legal history as to how

728
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 3: that that law even came into being, and can you can.

729
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 2: You walk us through what that is and you know

730
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Speaker 2: what's in the indictment.

731
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's weird. Well, as far as I

732
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 3: can tell, it's not an actual indictment. I think they

733
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 3: charged them all with misdemeanors, which is kind of how

734
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 3: he got away with it at this point in time.

735
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 3: So you've got basically, there's this thing called the Face

736
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Speaker 3: Act that came into being back in nineteen ninety four,

737
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Speaker 3: and it was targeting protesters at abortion clinics, and they

738
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 3: were at the time, there were people who were who

739
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 3: weren't just protesting, but we're trying to block women from

740
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Speaker 3: going into the clinics, and who were blowing up the

741
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 3: clinics and so forth. So the Clinton administration and their

742
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 3: Justice Department, you know, put forward this law, which the

743
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 3: idea being is going to curtail and criminalize some of

744
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 3: these more extreme protests and abortion clinics. But in order

745
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 3: to get it passed, they had to also, as a compromise,

746
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 3: include language about houses of worship. So it's this weird

747
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 3: thing where from nineteen ninety four, abortion clinics and houses

748
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 3: of worship are treated the same. So there is language

749
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Speaker 3: in the Face.

750
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Speaker 10: Act which actually says and it talks about free access

751
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 10: to the FA and face to if you're going to

752
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,479
Speaker 10: be if you are going to disrupt an abortion clinic,

753
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 10: you know, you can protest, but you can't disrupt what

754
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 10: goes on there, and you can't disrupt what goes on

755
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 10: in the church. So they're linked together in federal law

756
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 10: in a very strange way. So here we have a

757
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:54,720
Speaker 10: scenario where these folks came into a church disrupted the service.

758
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 10: It's a pretty clear violation of the Act just based

759
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Speaker 10: on what we can see from the videos. First offense

760
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 10: is a misdemeanor. If you actually hurt someone or assault

761
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 10: someone while you're in there, it's a felony under the

762
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 10: federal law and has much more serious penalties. But apparently

763
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 10: these folks are being charged under the misdemeanor version, which

764
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 10: carries up to six months in jail. And it looks

765
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 10: as though they tried to charge four people. The three

766
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 10: people they charged the most of the organizers plus Don Lemon. Yeah,

767
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 10: and the federal magistrate who was in charge of signing

768
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 10: off on that refused to sign off on First Amendment grounds,

769
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 10: basically saying, look, he was kind of a journalist, but

770
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 10: when you watch the video, he seems to be participating.

771
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 10: He's berating the pastor, he's arguing with the pastor. It

772
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 10: seems to me that he's a fairly clear participant. So

773
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 10: the last I read was that Pam Bondi was going

774
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 10: down to Minneapolis or self the attorney General. They're trying

775
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 10: to figure out what the world's going on.

776
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 3: And why those charges against Don Lemon didn't stick. But

777
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 3: that's the basic idea. It's idea that you can protest

778
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 3: all you one outside of the abortion is going to

779
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 3: protest all your one outside of church, but once you

780
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 3: actually go inside and disrupt what's occurring lawfully, whether it's

781
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 3: right or wrong, or it's lawful, but lawfully that that

782
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 3: you know, you're crossing a line. And these folks went

783
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 3: in on the video, they weren't just standing outside, they

784
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 3: weren't waiting to protest.

785
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 10: Against this minister that they felt rightly.

786
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 3: Or wrongly, had somehow offended them. They went into the service,

787
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 3: stopped the service. And it's really one of those things

788
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 3: that really flies in the face of the First Amendment.

789
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 3: You have a right to assemble and a right to worship.

790
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 3: You have a right to protest, but you really can't

791
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 3: impose that right to protest on top of other people's

792
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 3: fundamental rights to a symbol of worship. So, you know,

793
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,879
Speaker 3: so we have at least three charged, and I think

794
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 3: this Nonlemon thing isn't going to die. It looks like

795
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 3: Pambondy is going to keep fighting over this, So you know,

796
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 3: we'll see in the coming days. But it's a really,

797
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 3: really sad day for the country in my mind.

798
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 2: It really is. And I wanted to ask you, I'm

799
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: glad you up. What are her options, Pam Bonding.

800
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: Honestly, I'm surprised it was just a misdemeanor, but I mean,

801
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 1: what are her options with respect to our buddy Don Lemon?

802
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 3: What can you say, well, she may not have many

803
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 3: good ones, to be honest, I mean, well, you know,

804
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 3: I kind of dug into it a bit over the

805
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 3: last couple of days, and you know, unless there was

806
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 3: like a fight or violence or something breaking, you know,

807
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 3: something bad, really bad happening. You know, a first violation

808
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 3: of the Space Act is a misdemeanor, and if it's

809
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 3: a misdemeanor, it doesn't really have to go through a

810
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 3: grand jury, even in the federal system, and you have

811
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 3: to get a federal magistrate to sign off on it.

812
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 3: So she might be able to try to represent it

813
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 3: and get it in front of a different magistry, but

814
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 3: that's a hard thing to do. Sure, So you know,

815
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,439
Speaker 3: Don Lemon may very very well, you know, walk away

816
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 3: from this with with nothing else. And a note on

817
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 3: Don Lemon's scenario situation here, which really is troubling and weird.

818
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 3: He is no longer employed by CNN or any legitimate

819
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 3: news source, so he is just a guy out there

820
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 3: who has as a video camera following him around. He

821
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 3: posts this stuff, I guess on his blog and substack

822
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 3: on YouTube. He is a quote unquote independent.

823
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 10: Journalist, and there's been a troubling kind.

824
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 3: Of trend that that that counts. So he is claiming

825
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 3: journalistic protections and First Amendment protections even though he is

826
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 3: not a professional and paid journalist. He's just sort of

827
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 3: a so called citizen journalist. And a lot of courts

828
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 3: right now are recognizing that. And that's clearly something that

829
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 3: weighed upon this funeral magistrate in not signing off of

830
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 3: the thing. Well, he may have a First Amendment protection,

831
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 3: of course, I would argue that's where a jury or

832
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 3: judge to decide. But nonetheless, he insinuated himself here, you know,

833
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 3: at this early stage. So again, he's not working for

834
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 3: CNN anymore. A lot of people I don't want to

835
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 3: seeing in so out of the audience probably does that

836
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 3: anymore either, So here's not knowing that. But he is

837
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 3: out on his own doing this stuff. So it's just

838
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 3: it's it's bizarre.

839
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 1: So that's what she hung her hat on. Hey, he's

840
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,240
Speaker 1: a journalist, so you know, therefore we're gonna let him slide.

841
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: That's what it sounds like to me.

842
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's basically my understanding of it. And there are

843
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 3: a run of cases right now in Ohio, but in

844
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,280
Speaker 3: the state and the federal courts that kind of recognize

845
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 3: this citizen journalist concept, which is, you know, you know,

846
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 3: as long as if you're out there, there are multiple

847
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 3: guys getting the rooster up. In Columbus, he just basically

848
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 3: walks around with an iPhone, recording state legislators and asking

849
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 3: them really tough questions. Sometimes it's funny, sometimes it's offensive.

850
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 3: But you know, that guy has basically been found to

851
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 3: be a journalist even though he has he basically just

852
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 3: has a Twitter feed and the Facebook page and that's

853
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 3: all he does. You know, he's not, you know, running

854
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 3: ads and no one's subsidizing it. He has no editor

855
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 3: or no one to check the content. That's just the

856
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 3: new reality right now is that anybody with access to

857
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 3: the Internet and an iPhone can claim that they're a journalist.

858
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 3: And so far most not all, but most courts are

859
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 3: recognizing that. Wow. I run into that in my practice recently. So,

860
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 3: I mean that's something that I think that is hanging

861
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 3: over this is that you know, we're all, I guess

862
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 3: sort of journalists now. So yeah, it's a weird, weird

863
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 3: state of affairs that one.

864
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Speaker 1: I guess, in one way, shape or form, will wind

865
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Speaker 1: its way to the Supreme Court. Don't you think, and

866
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 1: I would think there's a ultimately it will yeah that

867
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: they say, to hell, this is nuts, We're not doing it.

868
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 2: Hopefully. I don't know. I guess we'll see. Hey, I

869
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 2: wanted to ask more.

870
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Speaker 3: Well, I hope so too.

871
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, got a few minutes left here.

872
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: Did you get a chance to see any of the

873
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: Jack Smith testimony in Congress today?

874
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 10: Yeah?

875
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 3: I saw. I saw a fair amount of it. I

876
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Speaker 3: should have had it on on and off all day,

877
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, you know, look, this is a fascinating thing,

878
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 3: but I think ultimately it's something that nobody is really

879
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 3: going to find to be all that historic or care

880
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 3: about him.

881
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 5: You know.

882
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 3: Jack Smith was a special counsel who issued two indictments

883
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,919
Speaker 3: against Donald Trump while he was out of office, one

884
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:20,280
Speaker 3: for sort of allegedly conspiring to overturn the twenty twenty election,

885
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 3: kind of involving January sixth, as well as his efforts

886
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 3: to call different secretaries of state in swing states and

887
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 3: kind of pressure them. And then secondly, his team also

888
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:37,760
Speaker 3: brought the indictment involving the classified documents of mar A Lago.

889
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 3: He had to dismiss both of those indictments once Trump

890
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 3: won because there is very clear DOJ policy that you

891
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 3: cannot indict a sitting president and proceed criminally against the

892
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 3: sitting president. So today the House Judiciary Committee kind of

893
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 3: brought him in to see, you know, what he had

894
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 3: to say, and he really didn't say anything new. He

895
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 3: basically doubled down on his investigation. His theory has always

896
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 3: been and that that Donald Trump, in one way or another,

897
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 3: intentionally conspired to cause the riot of January sixth. A

898
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 3: lot of folks, myself included, sometimes wonder if you know,

899
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 3: you think, look, look.

900
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 10: At that is not his best day. You know that

901
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 10: he made some very reckless statements that day.

902
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 3: But the Jack Smith concept is that this was all

903
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:26,240
Speaker 3: part of this very deliberate attempt to overturn the election,

904
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 3: and that Donald Trump was the mastermind who conspired to

905
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 3: do all this. And I guess my point of view

906
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 3: is that, you know, the legalities aside, the voters have

907
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 3: have already looked at this and rejected this theory. They

908
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 3: elected him while these indictments were pending, and you know,

909
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 3: it really as much ado about nothing. At this point.

910
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 3: The charges cannot be brought again, and this was just

911
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:52,240
Speaker 3: political theater.

912
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 2: Uh.

913
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 3: You know the fact that a lot of folks were

914
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:59,399
Speaker 3: talking about legal concepts as they did. It doesn't change

915
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 3: the fact that at the end of the day, this

916
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 3: was just politically not palatable to people. It didn't factor meaningfully,

917
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 3: it seems into the voter's minds, and it's just over now.

918
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 3: The only question is is this is like Trump again

919
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 3: is on truth social his social media platform while he's

920
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 3: while Jack Smith is testifying. Rather than just letting it die,

921
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 3: Trump is talking about indicting Jack Smith. So I probably

922
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 3: the big loser today is Pam Bondy, who's probably the

923
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 3: attorney general who's sitting here thinking do I have to

924
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,240
Speaker 3: indict my former prosecutor?

925
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 10: And if I do, how and.

926
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,919
Speaker 3: What would the law be there? So maybe cooler heads

927
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 3: will prevail. But this was just political theater today. In

928
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 3: my mind, I don't think it changed anything for the

929
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:49,240
Speaker 3: average voter. People who thought Trump was responsible for January

930
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 3: sixth didn't vote for him. People who thought it didn't

931
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 3: matter or was too confusing or complicated to understand, they

932
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 3: did vote for him. And that's over. And this was

933
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 3: just sort of a weird, kind of unpleasant throwback. So,

934
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 3: you know, to me, the most interesting things were sort

935
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 3: of the side moments where some of the Capitol police

936
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 3: officers I you know, you know, got into arguments with

937
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 3: podcasters and so forth, and on the in the gallery.

938
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 3: I think that kind of drama was more interesting, frankly,

939
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,720
Speaker 3: than what was said. There was nothing new revealed today.

940
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 3: You either feel that he was responsible for it morally

941
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 3: and politically, or you don't. He's a sitting president. He

942
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,879
Speaker 3: can't be criminal liturist under our laws. The legal part

943
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 3: of it's just over.

944
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,760
Speaker 1: No, I get it, I do, Hey is always Steve,

945
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: Really appreciate your input in this stuff, really do thank you.

946
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 3: No hey anytime, Ike take care?

947
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: Thank you all right? Steve good and breaking it down

948
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 1: for us. And I watched a lot of that Jack

949
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: Smith thing yesterday. He's absolutely right. At the end of

950
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: the day, it meant nothing. It was political theater. But

951
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: but what gets me is when you hear these democrats

952
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 1: bemoaning h lawfare, It's like, wait a minute, guys, who

953
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: the hell invented it? I think it was you, and

954
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:09,399
Speaker 1: I said at the time, and a lot of other

955
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: people did too. This is not good. One of the

956
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: big things in politics is revenge. You do it to me,

957
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it to you, and I mean, that's

958
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 1: just life in politics. So they need to shut up

959
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: about trying to figure out who's to blame.

960
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 2: They need to look in the mirror. Anyway, Hey, we

961
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 2: got to take a break. But when we get back.

962
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: Open lines seven four nine, seven thousand, one, eight hundred,

963
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 1: the big one. You can talk about anything you want,

964
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 1: all right, Mike Allen in for Dan Carroll, seven hundred

965
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: WLW ten thirty eight News Radio, seven hundred WLW. Mike

966
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: Allen in for my buddy Dan Carroll. I'll tell you what, man,

967
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 1: listen to that other forecast. We're gonna get hammered, you know.

968
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm old enough to remember where it was

969
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: really a crapshoot when the weather man has said, well

970
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: we're going to get six eight nine ten inches, and

971
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: more often than not it didn't happen. A couple of

972
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: years ago, I think it was the same kind of thing,

973
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: and I thought, ah, come on, it's not going to happen.

974
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,240
Speaker 1: Well it did and I didn't plan. So I'm thinking

975
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,399
Speaker 1: this one probably will. You know what's the worst part

976
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: of it. I mean, you look Saturday snow mainly after

977
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: ten am, high at fifteen. But here's the thing windshill

978
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 1: values as low as negative eight degrees.

979
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 2: That's brutal. I mean, that is absolutely brutal.

980
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 1: And this thing's got the makings of a real bad one,

981
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: which puts me in mind of a story.

982
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:50,399
Speaker 2: I guess everything does.

983
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: But either it was either nineteen seventy seven or nineteen

984
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 1: seventy eight. If anyone knows, please call in and let

985
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: me know. Seven four nine, seven thousand, one eight hundred

986
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: the big one, other numbers, but at any rate, same

987
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: kind of forecast. I was living at a place called

988
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 1: Charleston Square, which is going up Queen City. It's still there,

989
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 1: but it's called something else, and a bunch of young people.

990
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 2: That lived there.

991
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 1: What happened was it rained, It rained, and then like

992
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 1: really really quickly, the rain, the water was on the

993
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: streets froze. And then on top of that you got

994
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: six seven eight inches of snow and there was a

995
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: metro bus. I think this happened all over the city

996
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 1: that was going up Queen City that just had to stop.

997
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 1: Couldn't make it up there. It was a mess, but

998
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: as young people tend to do, I mean, we kind

999
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:47,359
Speaker 1: of made a big old party out of it up there.

1000
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:51,359
Speaker 1: For the about three or four days. Anyway, it's one

1001
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: of my great memories. Hopefully it's not going to be

1002
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 1: as bad as that was, but still at all it

1003
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: looks like it could be nasty. Hey, you know what,

1004
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: keeping on the topic of what's going on in Minnesota,

1005
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:07,439
Speaker 1: we might as well be consistent here. Like I don't

1006
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: know how many times I've said it, just tonight, just

1007
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 1: when you think you've seen everything, Okay, they pulled that

1008
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 1: crap at the church on Sunday. Okay, on Monday, and

1009
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:20,879
Speaker 1: this is from Fox News.

1010
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 2: Just read the headline here.

1011
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:30,240
Speaker 1: Anti ICE agitators occupy Minnesota Target store demand retailer stop

1012
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: helping federal agents.

1013
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 2: Listen to this you talk about petty story goes.

1014
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: Anti ICE protesters stage to sit in inside and occupied

1015
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: a Target store in Minnesota on Monday, demanding that the

1016
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: retailer take a stand against federal immigration authorities. A group

1017
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:57,320
Speaker 1: of protesters occupied the store. You know there again, what

1018
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: gives them the right to go in and disrupt this business?

1019
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 2: That's what I mean.

1020
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: They're so freaking arrogant, they're narcissistic. Nothing matters but what

1021
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: they want to do. Anyway, group of protesters occupied the store,

1022
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 1: claiming Target was allowing us ICE enforcement agents too.

1023
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 2: Are you ready for this operate in their parking lot?

1024
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 2: Gets better? This is a quote. This is from a protester.

1025
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: Target parking lots have been a meeting place for ICE agents.

1026
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 2: One protester holding an.

1027
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 1: Abolished ICE sign said, at the retailers and Paul location, Okay,

1028
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: here's a This is interesting. ICE agents are using the

1029
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 1: toilets at Target, so, in their learned opinion, so they're

1030
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 1: facilitating this invasion. You know, I know how cops are.

1031
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: They'll come up with meeting places. Ninety nine out of

1032
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: one hundred businesses don't care. Most of them are happy

1033
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 1: that they have the police presence there. My guests would

1034
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: probably be Target would probably be in that category. But

1035
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 1: ICE agents are using the toilets at Target, so they're

1036
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: facilitating this invasion. Here's their justification, and again it's just arrogance. Personified.

1037
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 1: Target is a is serving as a staging ground for ICE.

1038
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: One of the idiots said, they're not at all participating

1039
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: in challenging this ethnic cleansing we're seeing in this country.

1040
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 2: Ethnic cleansing. Do you know what that term means?

1041
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 1: Do you know how it has been used over the

1042
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: last one hundred years or so. It's like the Holocaust.

1043
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 1: It's exterminating people. This is what these people, they are

1044
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: so perverted. They come up with this stuff. They're not

1045
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 1: at all participating in challengelenging this ethnic cleansing we're seeing

1046
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: in this country. Another protester said she was calling on

1047
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: Target to stand with the community to quote protect our

1048
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: tiny children losing their parents. Well, okay, what about the

1049
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: tiny child in that church on Sunday who was so afraid.

1050
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 2: I don't know it was a little boy or girl.

1051
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 1: I saw a picture though, had to be kind of

1052
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 1: bunched up and held by their mother.

1053
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 2: Does that make any difference?

1054
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 3: You know?

1055
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 2: They couldn't care less about that.

1056
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: Goes on to say another protester, we don't just want

1057
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: your Okay, this is what they're saying at Target. We

1058
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: don't just want your tiny baby clothes. We want your

1059
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: protection for our families. You know, here's the question, who's

1060
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 1: going to protect us from you idiots? That's their justification again,

1061
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: the attitude being we are always right, We could never

1062
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 1: be wrong.

1063
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 2: What we want to do.

1064
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 1: Trump's anything, excuse the pun, Trump's anything that you want

1065
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 1: to do. That's what you're dealing with these people. Well, anyway,

1066
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 1: they're talking about the video here. This is again from

1067
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: the Fox News story. The video shows an ICE agent

1068
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: confronting people in Saint Paul who he said were honking

1069
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 1: their car horns and disrupting federal officers as they attempted

1070
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 1: to take a suspect into custody. Oh this is great.

1071
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 1: I mean it's not great, but I saw this yesterday.

1072
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: They talked about it. Okay, this is a cop. We're

1073
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 1: here to arrest a child sex offender, and you guys

1074
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 1: are out here honking.

1075
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 2: That's what the agent said in the video.

1076
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: I saw it, and one of the protester says, no,

1077
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 1: we're press, we're not honking, which is bull crap. The

1078
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 1: ag then points to a nearby vehicle. That vehicle right

1079
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: there is honking and impeding our investigations while we're trying

1080
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 1: to arrest a child sex offender. And you know what

1081
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: the best part of all of it is right here,

1082
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 1: that's who you guys are protecting. It's insane, and it

1083
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: is insane, and the cop is absolutely right. I would

1084
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 1: not want to be a cop, especially an ICE agent,

1085
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 1: in today's kind of what we have now, our environment

1086
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 1: for cop hatred Being a cop is always a tough job.

1087
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: I did it a million years ago for a relatively

1088
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,919
Speaker 1: short period of time, But I would think it would

1089
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 1: be difficult as all hell to be a cop.

1090
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Speaker 2: Now, especially those guys. And you know what their crime is.

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Speaker 2: I say that tongue in cheek.

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Speaker 6: They're crime.

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01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 1: They're doing their job. They're doing what they were sworn

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Speaker 1: to do, enforced afteral law. And you saw, you just

1095
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 1: heard it. The cops said, we're here to protect our

1096
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 1: tiny children from losing their parents.

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Speaker 2: No, that was a different one. Uh wasn't the vehicle.

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01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 1: That vehicle right there is honking and impeding our investigations

1099
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: while we're trying to arrest a child's sex offender.

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01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 2: That's who you guys are protecting. Insane. I don't know.

1101
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 2: I hope I'm not the only one that agrees with that. Well,

1102
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 2: let's do that.

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01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 3: Oh, we do have a call.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk to Susan in Louisville. Hello, Susan, fine.

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Speaker 4: Mike, how are you fine?

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01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 3: Thank you?

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01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 2: How are you?

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01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 3: We're good.

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01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:48,439
Speaker 5: I've talked to you before. Lived in Cincinnati for sixty years,

1110
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 5: but now live in Louisville, Okay, And I have some

1111
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 5: friends that were friends with your family growing up. I

1112
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 5: can remember you being a ucy cop. Yeah you talk

1113
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 5: to you at you see. But at any rate, I

1114
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 5: have a kind of a strange thought about this Minnesota

1115
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 5: thing is I think, and I don't want to blame

1116
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 5: the whole thing on millennials, but I think there is

1117
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 5: a parallel of the millennials not learning enough about history

1118
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 5: in their schooling. And what I mean by that, and

1119
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 5: I have something I want to parallel it to is

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Speaker 5: that it's an Ohio thing is that you know, they

1121
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 5: use that phrase and we can't say what it means,

1122
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 5: but FAFO, you know, mes around find out and that's

1123
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Speaker 5: what they're doing. They're pushing it as far as they can.

1124
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Speaker 5: And if they keep doing that, they're going to find

1125
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Speaker 5: out what Kent State was.

1126
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 10: Well, because.

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01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're pushing it. They're pushing it too far, and

1128
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Speaker 5: something's going to happen.

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01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 10: I think they don't understand, No, they don't, you know.

1130
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 2: I wonder. I mean, you know, I know what I

1131
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 2: learned in grade school. I wasn't the best student in

1132
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 2: the world, believe me, but I liked what I liked.

1133
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 2: I liked history.

1134
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:17,919
Speaker 1: I like civics, I like American history, and I paid

1135
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 1: attention to that stuff. And the nuns at st Anton

1136
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 1: they taught us.

1137
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 5: They taught us, well, we're replaying the summer of sixty nine.

1138
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:30,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know what. Well, and these people, I've

1139
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 1: said this a million times. I think I said it today.

1140
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 1: Even these people, they're obsessed with the sixties. That's what

1141
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 1: they want to do. They want to get my time machine.

1142
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 1: And you know, take back to nineteen sixty eight and

1143
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 1: they can throw molotov cocktails at the college president's office.

1144
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 2: That's the time that they glorify.

1145
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what, I'm not confident at all, Susan,

1146
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: that our kids are getting the right education starting in

1147
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 1: grade school. I mean learning about American exceptionalism. There's some

1148
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 1: places you're not even allowed to say that on the

1149
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 1: college campus, right, American exceptionalism. I remember talking about that

1150
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 1: all the time, and I figured out what the heck

1151
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 1: that was real quickly.

1152
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 5: We are husband when I had this this discussion with

1153
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 5: him today about parallel now he goes all street. He

1154
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 5: taught us that stuff at Elder.

1155
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got we got it. We got we got

1156
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 2: that at Elder.

1157
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 5: Uh.

1158
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 2: And then going up to UC, whole different ball game.

1159
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 10: You know that's our that's our background.

1160
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 5: Yeah it is.

1161
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 1: I mean it's the college campus is an intellectual sewer.

1162
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:48,959
Speaker 1: As far as I'm concerned about letting kids see both

1163
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 1: sides of an issue, they won't do that, these leftist professors,

1164
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 1: because they're afraid. They're afraid that if you expose them,

1165
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 1: the kids to a different point of view, well then

1166
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 1: they're you know, won't agree.

1167
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 2: With me anymore.

1168
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 5: Well why do they call that now canceling? You say

1169
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 5: the wrong thing, you get canceled. I'm gonna give you

1170
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 5: one last thing and then leave you alone. Totally different subject.

1171
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 5: All of my friends read The brick a book, Oh yeah,

1172
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 5: and they want you to have that guy on again.

1173
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 5: So if you're gonna have him on again, let.

1174
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 2: Us know, you know, I will, and I'll tell you what.

1175
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 2: Around the West Side.

1176
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 5: What's his name, JD something. They all follow the website.

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01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 5: I don't do it that much, but they love the

1178
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:34,880
Speaker 5: brick Off.

1179
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 2: And he's good.

1180
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 6: I mean, the book was good.

1181
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 2: You know, I couldn't put it down.

1182
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 5: I recognize people in there too.

1183
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 1: I recognize some of the old school cops, and I

1184
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 1: remember I have a distinct memory of this of my dad.

1185
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 1: You know they discovered the bodies. Unfortunately, uh, my dad

1186
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 1: getting us in the car and driving by. I forget

1187
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 1: the street name, but and there it was like a

1188
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 1: procession of cars, just kind.

1189
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 2: Of greenway, Greenway way, that's right, that's right.

1190
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 5: I couldn't remember the name of it either.

1191
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I tell you.

1192
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 1: You know, I think if you know about it, I

1193
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 1: don't know if you'd agree with me. I think we

1194
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 1: know who did it, didn't, you know what I mean?

1195
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 2: A certain ve well, and.

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01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 5: Some of the people in the book I went to

1197
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 5: grade school with, really, and my dad was a Hampton

1198
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 5: County deputy. Oh okay, okay, so some of the people

1199
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 5: I recognized as being my dad's bosses when I was

1200
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 5: a kid.

1201
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 2: I got you, I got you.

1202
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 5: It was it was an interesting read. And you know,

1203
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 5: we have several people that are from Western Hills that

1204
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 5: have read it in different states and kind of like

1205
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 5: to chat their theories.

1206
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 1: Sure.

1207
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, I'll get Jadon again. People really like him.

1208
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:56,439
Speaker 2: He's good. But I appreciate the call.

1209
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:56,920
Speaker 3: Susan.

1210
01:06:57,640 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 10: All right, see you later, okay, thank you.

1211
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was a big deal over there. Hey,

1212
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 1: you know what, I think we can squeeze one more

1213
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 1: in Ray on the West Side. Hey, how you doing, Ray?

1214
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 11: I gotta be quick, okay. For sixty days he was

1215
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:22,920
Speaker 11: what for sixty days? I'm okay, and he.

1216
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 10: Skipped fifty four okay. So he wound up getting the Greenies.

1217
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 3: Letter and the mail was very annoyed by it.

1218
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 10: But when he got out of he had his second airborn.

1219
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 10: He's took him a little bit. But he wound up

1220
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 10: and rolling in the six Naint firehouse.

1221
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:42,440
Speaker 3: Okay, right before the riots and sixties.

1222
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, back.

1223
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 6: Then they actually had shotguns on the chill.

1224
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 1: You are absolutely that's where they got riding shotgun. I

1225
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 1: mean that was saying you're right about that. I wasn't

1226
01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 1: around there talking to some of the tiers.

1227
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 12: He got out and they were at it up in Avondale.

1228
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 12: Imagine Evandale being a problem child. And they turned around

1229
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 12: and they were at a dumpster fire on a dead

1230
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 12: end street. Oh and all and all of a sudden

1231
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 12: there was a crowd coming down with their torches and

1232
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 12: clubs right at the fire truck.

1233
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:25,519
Speaker 3: That was a tough time.

1234
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 2: That was a tough time. But yeah, I remember that.

1235
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:29,760
Speaker 2: People telling me.

1236
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:33,320
Speaker 12: That, Well, he grabbed that shotgun off the side of

1237
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 12: the truck, and the l team turned around and said, hey,

1238
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:40,040
Speaker 12: you can't do that, and he says, I'm not going to.

1239
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:41,640
Speaker 10: Turn around if you're sitting.

1240
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:46,680
Speaker 6: Back, Really, you leave me sitting there? God, I never

1241
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:48,560
Speaker 6: had myself.

1242
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 1: Now it would probably end up in a federal investigation. Hey,

1243
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:52,640
Speaker 1: I got to take a break for the news, right,

1244
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:53,760
Speaker 1: But I appreciate your call.

1245
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1246
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 10: That was the old days.

1247
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 1: You're right about that man? All right, well, thank you,

1248
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:02,640
Speaker 1: thank you for the call. See, yeah, that was the

1249
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,720
Speaker 1: old days. And I don't know how to say this,

1250
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 1: but back in the old days sometimes things were solved

1251
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:15,559
Speaker 1: by just cracking heads. And I'm not advocating any kind

1252
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 1: of self help or anything like that, oh far from it,

1253
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:20,880
Speaker 1: but maybe we could use a little bit of that.

1254
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 2: Hey, we got to take a break, but when we get.

1255
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 1: Back, we are going to talk to our aviation expert,

1256
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 1: Jay Ratliffe. I got a number of things to talk

1257
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,599
Speaker 1: to Jay about, but one of them is it looks

1258
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:36,680
Speaker 1: like they are perfecting a car now that can fly.

1259
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 3: Now.

1260
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:39,880
Speaker 1: I know that's been attempted for a lot of years,

1261
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 1: but it looks like that's really coming into its own

1262
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 1: And I'm looking forward to talking to Jay about that.

1263
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 1: We'll do that when we get back. Mike Allen seven

1264
01:09:48,280 --> 01:10:00,720
Speaker 1: hundred WLW. There's radio seven hundred WLW. Mike Allan in

1265
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:07,200
Speaker 1: poor Dan Carroll tonight. You know, if you're around my age,

1266
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 1: you remember a cartoon show called the Jetsons and George

1267
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 1: Jetson and I don't know of his if his wife

1268
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 1: drove or flew whatever. They had flying cars all over

1269
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 1: the place. And even as a little kid, I was

1270
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:24,760
Speaker 1: intrigued by that. And I'm telling you flying cars are

1271
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:28,680
Speaker 1: getting closer to reality here to talk about it is

1272
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:31,879
Speaker 1: iHeart aviation expert Jay Ratliffe.

1273
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:33,720
Speaker 2: Jay, how are you that?

1274
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 3: Pleasant?

1275
01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 13: Good morning and or good evening? And I'll be telling

1276
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:39,120
Speaker 13: Dan Carroll good morning here in a few hours. So, uh,

1277
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 13: I guess we're covering all the bases.

1278
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:43,760
Speaker 1: Brother, You got that, hey, before we get into this,

1279
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 1: So how's the trading business going? The short trades?

1280
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:54,040
Speaker 13: I wanted to ask, Well, my appreciate that my students

1281
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 13: had a good day to day. You know, the when

1282
01:10:57,160 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 13: we date trade we try to get a thousand dollars

1283
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 13: a day if we can't, and and I had a

1284
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 13: bulk of my students that left me in pre market

1285
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 13: they didn't even make it to the opening bell. We

1286
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 13: had some stocks there, and it gets kind of lonely, Mike,

1287
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 13: when you you know, you're you're trying to teach people

1288
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:13,599
Speaker 13: and everybody says thank you very much, goodbye. I figured

1289
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 13: they'd stick around and see what they could make. Yeah,

1290
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 13: they hit their they hit a goal and off they go.

1291
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 13: But now it's a lot of fun. And you know,

1292
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:23,040
Speaker 13: when you when you're looking at the weather, we've gotten

1293
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 13: everything else. It's nice to be able to stay home

1294
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:28,679
Speaker 13: and you know, do what you want to do versus

1295
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 13: of you know, I don't miss those commutes driving to work,

1296
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:34,599
Speaker 13: especially with some of the weather we've got coming into town.

1297
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:37,560
Speaker 1: I know it's gonna get nasty. Hey, you know what,

1298
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 1: I wasn't kidding about the flying cars. I mean, I

1299
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 1: love with reading about them. I don't know that I've

1300
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 1: ever had would have the guts to get in one.

1301
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 2: But what's the deal on that?

1302
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 1: Because I'm seeing advertisements all over the place. Not cheap,

1303
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 1: but it looks like they're here.

1304
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 13: Well they are, and this Richter x four flying car,

1305
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:03,240
Speaker 13: you can you can google some images of that. But

1306
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:06,599
Speaker 13: this Richtor x four they're talking about a list price

1307
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 13: of thirty nine dollars. Now, this is a single passenger

1308
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 13: electric vehicle takeoff and landing aircraft. It's designed to make

1309
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:22,200
Speaker 13: short range personal flights. And the deal is they have

1310
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 13: a toss speed of about fifty miles an hour, so

1311
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:26,760
Speaker 13: you don't have worry about any top gun, you know,

1312
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 13: maneuvers tad of things. The maximum flight time in the

1313
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 13: electric battery vehicle is twenty minutes and it's got a

1314
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:38,080
Speaker 13: payload capacity of up to two hundred and twenty pounds.

1315
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 3: That's the pilot.

1316
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 13: You can't waity more than that. So it's also classified

1317
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:46,920
Speaker 13: as an experimental aircraft, this Richter X four mike. That

1318
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 13: means no pilot.

1319
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 2: License is required, nothing at all.

1320
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:52,679
Speaker 3: Nothing.

1321
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:55,559
Speaker 13: Now that's either where the fun or the tear begins.

1322
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 13: I don't know real and you and I see road

1323
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 13: rage all the time. I have no idea what would

1324
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 13: happen with something like this, And that's one of the

1325
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:06,840
Speaker 13: reasons that I think that you know, we're moving in

1326
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:09,640
Speaker 13: that direction. But what we're going to see first, and

1327
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 13: something that I'm much much more comfortable with, are these

1328
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:16,680
Speaker 13: air taxis or ubers. Now, this would be something that

1329
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:21,480
Speaker 13: would fly to you, land in your driveway. It's a automatic,

1330
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 13: pre programmed aircraft that you would go out, jump in,

1331
01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 13: buckle up, and it would just lift off and take

1332
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:33,600
Speaker 13: you on a predetermined flight to where you need to be.

1333
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:36,720
Speaker 13: And it's a short range type of thing. And we're

1334
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 13: seeing American airlines, Delta, United and others invest just a

1335
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:44,599
Speaker 13: tremendous amount of money in companies that are developing these

1336
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 13: because they're looking at these as a viable tool that

1337
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 13: they can use in the near future to shuttle people

1338
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:57,200
Speaker 13: short range from various parts around New York, Houston, Los Angeles,

1339
01:13:57,280 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 13: a lot of these Chicago, a lot of these large

1340
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:03,240
Speaker 13: cities that would be able to just kind of fly

1341
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:05,519
Speaker 13: into the airport, so you could take one of these

1342
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 13: things from the suburbs to the airport and then jump

1343
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:09,960
Speaker 13: on whatever flight around the world that.

1344
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 3: You wanted to go to. So I think that's the

1345
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:13,160
Speaker 3: next step.

1346
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:15,680
Speaker 13: But look, Amazon's been telling me that they're going to

1347
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:18,720
Speaker 13: be delivering pizzas to my driveway. So until we get that,

1348
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 13: I don't think any of this other stuff is going

1349
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 13: to be necessarily what we're looking at. But you know,

1350
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:27,559
Speaker 13: the technology is moving in that direction, and I certainly

1351
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:29,519
Speaker 13: think that we're going to see it. But you know,

1352
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:32,240
Speaker 13: before we get to the you know, Jay and might

1353
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 13: get to jump in a flying car and take off

1354
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 13: the type of thing we've got several you know things,

1355
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 13: we've got a cross between now and then, and it's

1356
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:41,840
Speaker 13: taken so long to get to this point.

1357
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:43,479
Speaker 3: I don't know, but you know, with the.

1358
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:46,640
Speaker 13: Advancements in technology and the artificial intelligence a lot of

1359
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 13: the other things that are going on, h this is

1360
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:50,800
Speaker 13: going to be something that we're going to be looking at.

1361
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:54,600
Speaker 13: And of course, from a practicality standpoint, you know, the

1362
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 13: interstates are we're designed for a lot less traffic. Yeah,

1363
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:03,680
Speaker 13: so if we can find something that could work something.

1364
01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:04,439
Speaker 3: Like that would be nice.

1365
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 13: But there's I don't know, it's going to be interesting

1366
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:10,000
Speaker 13: to see. And you know, all you have to do

1367
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:12,479
Speaker 13: is have one accident in those things people say no,

1368
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:13,320
Speaker 13: I'm not going.

1369
01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:13,560
Speaker 3: To do it.

1370
01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 13: So, you know, there's just a lot of things. I

1371
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 13: know that this I think it's the Richter aircraft. This

1372
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:22,600
Speaker 13: may be one of them that has a parachute in it,

1373
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 13: so that if you're in the vehicle and something happens

1374
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:29,879
Speaker 13: where it stops working, that it's got an automatic parachute

1375
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 13: system that would deploy and allow the aircraft to you know,

1376
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 13: not plummet out of the sky, which you can also

1377
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:39,800
Speaker 13: you can also quit private aircraft with We've seen that

1378
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:43,360
Speaker 13: happen before, where the engines have stopped wing and there's

1379
01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:47,120
Speaker 13: a parachute system that's worked. We've seen a couple of

1380
01:15:47,200 --> 01:15:49,880
Speaker 13: times where that's happened. But again that's for use for

1381
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:53,160
Speaker 13: smaller personal type aircraft general aviation.

1382
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:56,639
Speaker 2: My brother got all wrapped up in one that's made

1383
01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 2: in China.

1384
01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 1: I think he said it was about forty bucks, and

1385
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 1: he never did, but he was thinking about going over

1386
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:06,400
Speaker 1: there and checking it out.

1387
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:07,560
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1388
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 1: It sure seems like it's the coming thing, But well,

1389
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:13,880
Speaker 1: you're right, I mean, how would you regulate it? I mean,

1390
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:17,240
Speaker 1: as far as everybody being in the air, flying.

1391
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 13: Around and get you got power lines, you've got you know,

1392
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:27,679
Speaker 13: restricted airspace, and look imagine after a Mingo's tailgating party, everybody,

1393
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:30,920
Speaker 13: you know, just just a lot of things you just

1394
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 13: don't want to see happen.

1395
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 3: So I just don't know.

1396
01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 13: And then of course you've got the other issue, and

1397
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 13: we have this with drones. From a safety standpoint, these

1398
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:44,920
Speaker 13: things being used for purposes that would be terrorist in

1399
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 13: that so you've just got a lot of stuff that

1400
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:52,560
Speaker 13: is just you know, it's difficult because we've got some

1401
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:54,799
Speaker 13: people that shoot bottle rockets and some of these different

1402
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 13: types of things, these rockets near airports, which you know,

1403
01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:01,800
Speaker 13: it's around low flying aircraft, and they do that as

1404
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:05,519
Speaker 13: a recreational type of thing, but it can endanger aircraft

1405
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:07,560
Speaker 13: that are coming in and out of airports at the

1406
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:10,280
Speaker 13: same time. So I don't know, it's a fun topic

1407
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:13,160
Speaker 13: to talk about. And I'm with you with the Jetsons.

1408
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 13: I thought we'd be here long before, you know, my

1409
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 13: sixty second birthday brother.

1410
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:20,080
Speaker 3: But you know, here we are. They've yet to hit

1411
01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:21,040
Speaker 3: my driveway.

1412
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:23,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what though, I mean, it seems like

1413
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:26,920
Speaker 2: that's where it's added. But I guess we'll see.

1414
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:29,400
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you, I mean, we got some

1415
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 1: nasty weather coming, not just here, but I mean even

1416
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:34,719
Speaker 1: worse all over the country.

1417
01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 2: What is that going to do to the airlines? I mean,

1418
01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:39,519
Speaker 2: how will that affect them?

1419
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:43,560
Speaker 13: We've got this massive storm right now that's set to

1420
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:46,800
Speaker 13: create really a weekend, a havoc that everybody's talking about,

1421
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 13: and it's going to be across the country and we're

1422
01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:52,560
Speaker 13: always seeing airlines that are adjusting their flight schedules. Accordingly,

1423
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 13: we've got I think in Dallas they're talking about twenty

1424
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:59,760
Speaker 13: hours of freezing rain, so that's obviously an American airlines hub.

1425
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:03,840
Speaker 13: So the Americans adjusting their flight schedule. Because when you're

1426
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:06,480
Speaker 13: talking about there and even Houston that's talking about.

1427
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:07,559
Speaker 3: Getting layers of ice.

1428
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:12,720
Speaker 13: It's one thing when we're talking about snow, because aircraft

1429
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:17,439
Speaker 13: can operate in snow related conditions without a problem. Aenau

1430
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 13: sometimes the airport may have five runways, they only had

1431
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 13: maybe two operating at the same time as they keep

1432
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 13: them cleaned off. But when you're talking about ice, you're

1433
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:29,799
Speaker 13: talking about planes that could slide off of a runway,

1434
01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:32,639
Speaker 13: a tarmac around the jet bridge.

1435
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 3: It becomes a safety issue.

1436
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:36,720
Speaker 13: And that's why we're seeing a lot of these airlines

1437
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:41,200
Speaker 13: cancel flights Saturday in the Sunday knowing that this weather

1438
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:46,320
Speaker 13: is going to be in the area already has In fact,

1439
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:49,479
Speaker 13: airlines have also issued weather waivers, so if you're a

1440
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:51,680
Speaker 13: passenger that's going to be flying to or through any

1441
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:54,559
Speaker 13: of these affected areas around the country, we are allowed

1442
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:57,360
Speaker 13: to change our itinerary absence of a change fee, which

1443
01:18:57,479 --> 01:19:00,880
Speaker 13: is good and it's going to be in essence from

1444
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:04,360
Speaker 13: it's going to be Friday night in some places through

1445
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:09,040
Speaker 13: Sunday afternoon Sunday evening. And I really think the residual

1446
01:19:09,080 --> 01:19:11,960
Speaker 13: impact of the storm could even impact flights Monday morning,

1447
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 13: because we have a lot of flights that are coming

1448
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:17,960
Speaker 13: into various destinations around the country Sunday night that make

1449
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:20,960
Speaker 13: up the originating flights for Monday morning. And I think

1450
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 13: that we'll have many of these flights that are going

1451
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:26,759
Speaker 13: to have a difficult time getting into those destinations Sunday

1452
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:30,120
Speaker 13: night that can make out the Monday morning originators. Plus

1453
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:33,599
Speaker 13: if they are severely delayed, then we're talking about crew

1454
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 13: rest issues where the crew may need to have a

1455
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:38,800
Speaker 13: minimum number of hours between the time they arrive and

1456
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:39,960
Speaker 13: the time they are allowed.

1457
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:40,840
Speaker 3: To take off the next day.

1458
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:42,840
Speaker 13: So if you and I are a flight crew that

1459
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:46,680
Speaker 13: comes in extremely late in the wee hours of a

1460
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:49,800
Speaker 13: Sunday night Monday morning, there's no way we're going to

1461
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:51,639
Speaker 13: be able to turn around and get that bad boy

1462
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 13: out at six point thirty the next morning.

1463
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:55,800
Speaker 3: So it's going to be something that's going to be

1464
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:56,679
Speaker 3: an issue.

1465
01:19:57,400 --> 01:19:59,200
Speaker 13: I'm just glad because you and I always like to

1466
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:02,160
Speaker 13: think on the the positive side of things, I'm just

1467
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 13: like it wasn't a month ago. I mean, can you

1468
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:08,800
Speaker 13: imagine December twenty fourth, December twenty fifth with this kind

1469
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 13: of a storm. January is a lighter travel month. But

1470
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:15,960
Speaker 13: you know, the airlines right now are such that if

1471
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:18,280
Speaker 13: you're traveling through the weekend, just make sure the airlines

1472
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:20,160
Speaker 13: have a way to get a hold of you, because

1473
01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:22,439
Speaker 13: it may very well be that. You know, you're flying

1474
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 13: American Airlines, you're scheduled to connect through Dallas, and they

1475
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:28,599
Speaker 13: do what's called an online reroute, where you say, look,

1476
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:30,320
Speaker 13: we'll get you to your destination, but we're going to

1477
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:32,519
Speaker 13: send you through another one of our hubs. We're going

1478
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:34,559
Speaker 13: to send you through a Chicago, We're going to send

1479
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:38,720
Speaker 13: you through another airport that may be less impacted than this,

1480
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:41,280
Speaker 13: just so that we can get you to your destinations.

1481
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:43,880
Speaker 13: And even though airlines really suck when it comes to

1482
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:48,439
Speaker 13: customer service, because there is no such thing, they do

1483
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 13: a very good job during times of a regular operation.

1484
01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:54,840
Speaker 13: In fact, American Airlines has rolled out something through their

1485
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:57,760
Speaker 13: mobile app that if you are flying with American and

1486
01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:00,559
Speaker 13: your flight is canceled or there's a delay or something

1487
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:03,920
Speaker 13: of an irregular operation. American has it set up so

1488
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:07,320
Speaker 13: that you are notified and you're able to choose through

1489
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:11,880
Speaker 13: that American Airlines mobile app if an alternate flight, it

1490
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:15,880
Speaker 13: gives you options. It's immediate that it reaches you with

1491
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:20,000
Speaker 13: this information. And Mike, if it's something that requires Okay,

1492
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:22,519
Speaker 13: my flight's been canceled, I'm not going out till the

1493
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:26,519
Speaker 13: next day. And you're entitled to a hotel voucher, it's

1494
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:29,360
Speaker 13: right there in the app. Wow, meal voucher right there.

1495
01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:29,599
Speaker 3: In the app.

1496
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:33,280
Speaker 13: If you if it's ground transportation is needed, it's right

1497
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:36,760
Speaker 13: there for you. So American Airlines is really good at

1498
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:40,920
Speaker 13: providing some advanced customer service, which I really like.

1499
01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, do keep in mind though, and I got to

1500
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:44,400
Speaker 3: add this as a quick ps.

1501
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:47,519
Speaker 13: If you're flying this weekend and your flight is canceled

1502
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:51,479
Speaker 13: due to weather, we are, as passengers not entitled to

1503
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:55,560
Speaker 13: any compensation at all because of the fact that it's

1504
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:58,280
Speaker 13: an act of God. So airlines are simply going to say, look,

1505
01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:01,719
Speaker 13: it's out of our control. We can don't control the weather.

1506
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:03,880
Speaker 13: So you know, we're not going to put you up

1507
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:06,040
Speaker 13: in a hotel, We're not going to give you food vouchers.

1508
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:10,519
Speaker 13: But if your flight is canceled, just ask why, because

1509
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:13,200
Speaker 13: it just don't assume it is a weather related issue.

1510
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 3: Right.

1511
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:15,680
Speaker 13: It may be that the airplane broke and it's a

1512
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 13: mechanical situation, total game changers there. Then some certain things

1513
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:24,000
Speaker 13: may be required of the airlines to provide, so you know,

1514
01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:25,840
Speaker 13: if you need to press the issue just a bit

1515
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:28,680
Speaker 13: and make sure if your flight's been impacted, you just

1516
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:30,360
Speaker 13: don't assume it's a weather related event.

1517
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:33,800
Speaker 1: That's really good advice. I don't know why I had

1518
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:36,360
Speaker 1: just assumed that, you know, the airline would take care

1519
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:37,840
Speaker 1: of it. But well, I'll tell you that.

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Speaker 13: I'll tell you, Mike, I've seen too many times that

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01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:43,800
Speaker 13: the decades I was in the industry, and now if

1522
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:46,120
Speaker 13: they don't have to pay for something, they're not going

1523
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 13: to And keep in mind, United in Delta just reported

1524
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:52,639
Speaker 13: some of their recent quarters where they made a billion

1525
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:57,800
Speaker 13: dollars in profit in a single who Now, you and

1526
01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:00,960
Speaker 13: I remember times when airlines couldn't make any money in

1527
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:04,240
Speaker 13: the entire year, and now these bad boys are rolling

1528
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:07,720
Speaker 13: it out. But it's tied into their credit cards that

1529
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:11,439
Speaker 13: they have that they offer because if you take away

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01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:14,320
Speaker 13: the credit card agreements, airlines have. I think in twenty

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01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:16,120
Speaker 13: twenty four, not a single one of them would have

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01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:17,520
Speaker 13: made a pinion.

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01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 3: Profit for the year. Real.

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01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:21,880
Speaker 13: So it's amazing how much money they make through those

1535
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 13: credit card agreements. And that's why when President Trump said,

1536
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:27,479
Speaker 13: you know, I think we should cap the interest rate

1537
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:32,360
Speaker 13: at ten percent on those things, the airline executives were

1538
01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:34,559
Speaker 13: like falling out of their chair, like, oh, please don't

1539
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:38,080
Speaker 13: do that, because they would they would be impact a

1540
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:38,559
Speaker 13: big time.

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01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:42,560
Speaker 1: Hey, just one about two or three minutes here. I

1542
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:46,160
Speaker 1: wanted to ask you, now, this is fascinating to me too.

1543
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:51,679
Speaker 1: Weight loss drugs could Ashley save airlines five and eighty

1544
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:52,920
Speaker 1: million dollars a year?

1545
01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 2: How does that happen in two minutes?

1546
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 3: Jay Ratlin? Well, but what's what's the zempia or whatever?

1547
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:02,439
Speaker 3: The zeppa the drug? Yeah, o zipic.

1548
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:07,160
Speaker 13: Uh. There was a company that I think it's Jeffrey's.

1549
01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:11,080
Speaker 13: It's a financial services firm. They did some math on

1550
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:13,759
Speaker 13: this and said, look, the four largest airlines, American, Delta,

1551
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:17,800
Speaker 13: United in Southwest could save five hundred eight million dollars

1552
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:23,080
Speaker 13: a year on fuel if we as passengers start dropping weight.

1553
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 13: So I cannot wait, Mike, for these airlines to save

1554
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:30,000
Speaker 13: five hundred eight million dollars so they can pass those

1555
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:32,479
Speaker 13: savings onto us. You know that's going to happen, right, Oh,

1556
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:36,439
Speaker 13: of course, of course, yeah, absolutely, that's interesting.

1557
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 2: Hey, man, we're out of time. But as always, I

1558
01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:40,920
Speaker 2: really appreciated.

1559
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:43,720
Speaker 13: Jay Mike anytime. Brother, You know that you work, I work,

1560
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:45,040
Speaker 13: and to keep up the good work.

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01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 1: Okay, buddy, thank you started. Okay, Well, I'll tell you what.

1562
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:51,400
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated about this fine car thing.

1563
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:54,439
Speaker 2: I really am. Not that I never do it, but

1564
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:56,920
Speaker 2: I just googled it. I'm looking at some of these

1565
01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:57,519
Speaker 2: pictures here.

1566
01:24:57,600 --> 01:24:57,760
Speaker 3: Man.

1567
01:24:57,880 --> 01:25:00,800
Speaker 1: It is like Chechens. But I guess we have to

1568
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:02,519
Speaker 1: see where it goes. Hey, we have to take a

1569
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:06,320
Speaker 1: break button when we get back. Bill and Hillary Clinton,

1570
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:09,400
Speaker 1: believe it or not, in the news again, and we

1571
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 1: are going to talk to another one of our legal analysts,

1572
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:16,640
Speaker 1: James Bogan, about what's up with that, because they're kind

1573
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:19,960
Speaker 1: of thumbing their nose at Congress and that's never good.

1574
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:22,519
Speaker 1: We'll do that when we get back. Mike Allen in

1575
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:33,080
Speaker 1: for Dan Carroll seven hundred WLW. Hey, we're back, Mike

1576
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:37,200
Speaker 1: Allan in for Dan Carroll. Well, I'll tell you what

1577
01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 1: I wish I could get that thing from the movie

1578
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:44,880
Speaker 1: where they say they're back. I'm talking, of course about

1579
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:48,840
Speaker 1: the Clintons, both Bill and Hillary in the jackpot a

1580
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 1: little bit with respect to them thumbing their nose at Congress,

1581
01:25:54,840 --> 01:26:01,280
Speaker 1: with respect too coming forward with information on just about

1582
01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:07,240
Speaker 1: anything to do with our buddy. I'm just having a

1583
01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:13,519
Speaker 1: senior moment here, Epstein. Sorry, And they're just they're not

1584
01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:17,200
Speaker 1: They're just not going to cooperate. That's the situation here.

1585
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:21,040
Speaker 1: To talk about it is legal analyst James Bogan, whose

1586
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:24,519
Speaker 1: mind is not fried yet like mine, so he'll give

1587
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:25,439
Speaker 1: you some good scoop.

1588
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:27,400
Speaker 2: James. What's the situation with that?

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Speaker 6: Well, yesterday the House Oversight Committee, they voted to refer

1590
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:37,439
Speaker 6: Bill and Hillary Clinton for a chamber wide vote on

1591
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:42,280
Speaker 6: whether to refer them to the Department Justice for contempt

1592
01:26:42,360 --> 01:26:46,320
Speaker 6: of Congress charges. And a striking thing about that is

1593
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:50,200
Speaker 6: nine Democrats voted for it, including some members of the squad,

1594
01:26:50,360 --> 01:26:52,320
Speaker 6: those far left nut jobs.

1595
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:56,479
Speaker 1: That was surprising. I mean, it was I guess thirty

1596
01:26:56,560 --> 01:27:00,200
Speaker 1: four to nine to hold Bill in contempt. Hillary did

1597
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:04,000
Speaker 1: a little bit better twenty eight to fifteen. But it's

1598
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:06,120
Speaker 1: gonna go to the full House. Now, what do you

1599
01:27:06,160 --> 01:27:09,760
Speaker 1: think will happen, James, I think just.

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01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:13,280
Speaker 6: With all this lawfair has been going on, and after

1601
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:17,080
Speaker 6: what the Democrats did to Steve Bannon and Pete Nabarrow

1602
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:20,559
Speaker 6: over the January sixth thing, you know what you were

1603
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:26,120
Speaker 6: saying a while ago. Yeah, that's the Republicans I think

1604
01:27:26,160 --> 01:27:29,400
Speaker 6: are ready to respond in kind. But the thing is,

1605
01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 6: all the Clintons would have had to do is show

1606
01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:35,080
Speaker 6: up and plead the fifth if there is an issue.

1607
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:38,200
Speaker 6: I mean, they're not even accused of any criminal conduct.

1608
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:41,360
Speaker 6: I mean, there are some things that look rather shady,

1609
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:43,960
Speaker 6: like Yo, there's Bill Clinton in a hot tub on

1610
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:49,840
Speaker 6: Jeffrey Epstein's island and other stuff like that, where it's like, yeah,

1611
01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:52,559
Speaker 6: that's not someplace you'd want to be caught.

1612
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:52,880
Speaker 10: I mean.

1613
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:55,720
Speaker 6: And now, if the House does vote to refer the

1614
01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:59,880
Speaker 6: Clintons for criminal contempt charges, the Department of Justice still

1615
01:28:00,160 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 6: sides whether to prosecute. I mean, but under Pam BONDI

1616
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:07,840
Speaker 6: I think that's kind of a no brainer and can

1617
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:10,479
Speaker 6: keem to Congress. It's not a severe charge. It carries

1618
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:12,759
Speaker 6: up to a year in prison and a one hundred

1619
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:17,519
Speaker 6: thousand dollars fine. And you know, Steve Bannon and Pete Navarro.

1620
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:19,960
Speaker 6: They only served about four months apiece.

1621
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:20,519
Speaker 3: Is that right?

1622
01:28:21,479 --> 01:28:25,600
Speaker 1: And it's a match of a year, right, Yeah. I

1623
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:28,120
Speaker 1: don't see Bill and Hillary going to prison. I mean,

1624
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:30,360
Speaker 1: you know, if you want to be fair about it,

1625
01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:33,519
Speaker 1: perhaps they should. But you know, and this is an

1626
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:37,439
Speaker 1: illegal question, but I just wonder what, especially Bill, what's

1627
01:28:37,479 --> 01:28:38,320
Speaker 1: he got to hide?

1628
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:38,680
Speaker 6: You know?

1629
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:41,519
Speaker 1: I mean there's got to be something in there that

1630
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:44,599
Speaker 1: would seriously damage him. I would think, what do you think?

1631
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:46,160
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1632
01:28:46,439 --> 01:28:47,439
Speaker 3: And the thing is.

1633
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:52,120
Speaker 6: Doing this is just getting it way more attention than

1634
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:54,320
Speaker 6: it would if he would have just appeared and pled

1635
01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:55,560
Speaker 6: the fifth m M.

1636
01:28:57,120 --> 01:28:58,960
Speaker 2: Do you have any crystal ball as to what the

1637
01:28:59,040 --> 01:28:59,840
Speaker 2: full House will do?

1638
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:06,160
Speaker 6: You know what? Like I'm said, I think just as

1639
01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:12,479
Speaker 6: a response in kind for that January sixth Kangaroo Court

1640
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:16,400
Speaker 6: committee they had, Yeah, and you know where they did

1641
01:29:16,479 --> 01:29:20,160
Speaker 6: the same thing to Steve Bannon and Pete Navarro, I

1642
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:22,920
Speaker 6: think the Republicans are responding kind.

1643
01:29:23,439 --> 01:29:24,200
Speaker 2: I think so too.

1644
01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:26,680
Speaker 1: I mean that's kind of the tone and tenor of

1645
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:29,240
Speaker 1: things these days. And you know, it gets me. I

1646
01:29:29,320 --> 01:29:32,640
Speaker 1: was talked about this earlier. When you see a Democrat

1647
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:36,360
Speaker 1: complain about lawfare, you just want to take him by

1648
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:36,840
Speaker 1: the throat.

1649
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:38,840
Speaker 2: And say, hey, who started it?

1650
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:41,679
Speaker 1: You know, I mean they were the ones that got

1651
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:45,040
Speaker 1: the ball rolling on that, and James, you know, politics,

1652
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:47,600
Speaker 1: it's all about you do to me, I'm going to

1653
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:49,800
Speaker 1: do it to you. So I don't think they have

1654
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:53,360
Speaker 1: any reason to complain about it. But that doesn't mean that.

1655
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:58,040
Speaker 6: Yeah. What also gets me is, you know, the Democrats,

1656
01:29:58,080 --> 01:30:00,719
Speaker 6: when it was convenient, would be all up in arms

1657
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:04,160
Speaker 6: for anyone Republican who might defy a congressional subpoena. You know,

1658
01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:10,479
Speaker 6: Bannon and Navarro and President Auto Penn was saying that

1659
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:16,360
Speaker 6: defying a subpoena cannot be tolerated. And you know he

1660
01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:19,240
Speaker 6: sat there and said, I hope the Committee goes after

1661
01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:24,840
Speaker 6: them and holds them accountable criminally. And now it's you know,

1662
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:28,000
Speaker 6: of course, you know with the Democrats, it's ruled for

1663
01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:28,960
Speaker 6: thee but not for me.

1664
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:31,519
Speaker 2: They're all about that.

1665
01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:34,080
Speaker 1: How would you like to be, James Bogan a fly

1666
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:37,640
Speaker 1: on the wall when Bill and Hillary talk about this,

1667
01:30:38,280 --> 01:30:40,040
Speaker 1: she can't be happy about it.

1668
01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:44,640
Speaker 6: Uh yeah, I mean we all heard how thrilled she

1669
01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:48,240
Speaker 6: was about the whole Lewinsky thing, right, you know, smacking

1670
01:30:48,400 --> 01:30:52,280
Speaker 6: Bill around, telling him how stupid he was. And you

1671
01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:56,120
Speaker 6: know god knows what he did on Epstein's Island. I'm

1672
01:30:56,240 --> 01:30:59,360
Speaker 6: just obviously I'm insinuating some things there. I don't don't

1673
01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:00,160
Speaker 6: know anyone, I.

1674
01:31:00,479 --> 01:31:01,160
Speaker 2: Know what you mean?

1675
01:31:02,240 --> 01:31:05,400
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and you know it does raise the question, James,

1676
01:31:05,479 --> 01:31:08,520
Speaker 1: I mean, what the hell they hide in or him especially?

1677
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:09,479
Speaker 3: You know.

1678
01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:14,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's just pure and they're just putting the spotlight

1679
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:17,240
Speaker 6: on themselves a lot more. And you know what's funny

1680
01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:21,439
Speaker 6: is Hillary Clinton. Back in twenty twenty one, when Bannon

1681
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:24,600
Speaker 6: was indicted, she responded by saying, Oh, I'm going to

1682
01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:25,919
Speaker 6: have the RESTful weekend.

1683
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:28,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, now, you know you told me that.

1684
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:33,640
Speaker 6: And now they're just uh, they're using the same strategy

1685
01:31:33,680 --> 01:31:37,599
Speaker 6: as Bannon. I mean. According to Jonathan Turley, the Fox

1686
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:42,560
Speaker 6: News Contribute legal contributor, he said, the worst thing he

1687
01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:45,920
Speaker 6: can do is not appear, at least show up and

1688
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:47,200
Speaker 6: play the fifth or something.

1689
01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:50,880
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean, but I get I don't know

1690
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:54,680
Speaker 1: how it is like in Congress as opposed to a court. Uh,

1691
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:57,640
Speaker 1: there are some questions that the fifth probably would not

1692
01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:01,800
Speaker 1: be appropriate. I mean, who knows, do they have a

1693
01:32:01,920 --> 01:32:03,800
Speaker 1: date yet that they're going to set that vote for

1694
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:04,800
Speaker 1: the fall?

1695
01:32:04,920 --> 01:32:07,760
Speaker 6: I haven't. I was looking at that shortly before I

1696
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:12,439
Speaker 6: came on too, and I couldn't find anything. I mean,

1697
01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:16,760
Speaker 6: we you know, but yeah, that's uh sometime definitely keeping

1698
01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:17,840
Speaker 6: an eye out for yep.

1699
01:32:18,240 --> 01:32:21,200
Speaker 1: Well internally said, I mean he didn't, he didn't pull

1700
01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:25,360
Speaker 1: any punches. That they were undeniably in contempt at Congress,

1701
01:32:25,479 --> 01:32:29,280
Speaker 1: and I think they're taking a pretty cavalier attitude about it, which,

1702
01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:32,559
Speaker 1: of course again yeah, and drives the suspicion level through

1703
01:32:32,640 --> 01:32:33,040
Speaker 1: the roof.

1704
01:32:34,640 --> 01:32:34,840
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1705
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:38,160
Speaker 6: And you know what, just to show how Turley, Jonathan

1706
01:32:38,200 --> 01:32:40,840
Speaker 6: Turley calls it down the line, he agreed that Steve

1707
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:43,720
Speaker 6: Bannon and Pete Navarro were in contempt too.

1708
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:44,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1709
01:32:44,439 --> 01:32:46,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I guess we'll see.

1710
01:32:46,920 --> 01:32:49,759
Speaker 1: I can't see Hillary and Bill at the crow Bar Hotel,

1711
01:32:50,360 --> 01:32:52,680
Speaker 1: but I guess we'll have to see how it plays out.

1712
01:32:53,200 --> 01:32:55,240
Speaker 2: You got a crystal ball, James Bogan, How do you

1713
01:32:55,320 --> 01:32:56,280
Speaker 2: see this playing out?

1714
01:32:57,560 --> 01:33:03,840
Speaker 6: I see the whole House voting for or for all.

1715
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:06,320
Speaker 6: I mean, considering you had some Democrats just on this

1716
01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:11,840
Speaker 6: Oversight committee voting for it. Because the Democrats they don't

1717
01:33:11,960 --> 01:33:16,559
Speaker 6: want to. If they don't vote for this, that takes away,

1718
01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:20,160
Speaker 6: you know, some of the things that they're puting. A

1719
01:33:20,240 --> 01:33:26,280
Speaker 6: finger at Donald Trump for and you know, and you

1720
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:28,719
Speaker 6: know the other thing too, the Clintons are no longer

1721
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:29,639
Speaker 6: useful to them.

1722
01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:32,519
Speaker 2: And you know what, that's how they.

1723
01:33:34,080 --> 01:33:38,120
Speaker 6: That's probably how even the bigger thing they the Clintons

1724
01:33:38,160 --> 01:33:41,760
Speaker 6: are yesterday's news to the Democratic Party. They don't have

1725
01:33:41,880 --> 01:33:44,280
Speaker 6: the same influence they had before. Now it's the way

1726
01:33:44,479 --> 01:33:48,280
Speaker 6: far left. I mean, the Clintons look conservative compared to

1727
01:33:48,360 --> 01:33:51,040
Speaker 6: the Democratic Party at this point.

1728
01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:51,720
Speaker 3: And.

1729
01:33:53,880 --> 01:33:58,320
Speaker 6: You know, they've outlived their usefulness to them, and they're

1730
01:33:58,360 --> 01:34:00,760
Speaker 6: ready to throw them out like yesterday's garbage. I mean,

1731
01:34:01,680 --> 01:34:06,519
Speaker 6: you remember when Obama was president and John Edwards was

1732
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:10,280
Speaker 6: trying to make a comeback. Oh yeah, the Democrat sick

1733
01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:17,880
Speaker 6: what's his name? The special who's a special prosecutor? Jack Smith?

1734
01:34:18,840 --> 01:34:22,519
Speaker 6: Jack Smith on him and he protescuted John Edwards. I mean,

1735
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:26,479
Speaker 6: this is eleven years, twenty eleven after he's no longer

1736
01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:30,479
Speaker 6: the darling of the Democratic Party. And a lot of

1737
01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:33,719
Speaker 6: people think that was another one of Jack Smith's political hits.

1738
01:34:34,200 --> 01:34:39,800
Speaker 6: You know, they wanted Obama had his anointed succession plan

1739
01:34:40,479 --> 01:34:43,360
Speaker 6: and they didn't want John Edwards crashing the party.

1740
01:34:43,640 --> 01:34:46,400
Speaker 1: Well, and I get that, and I mean the thing

1741
01:34:46,439 --> 01:34:50,559
Speaker 1: of it is Smith does not have a good record

1742
01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:51,960
Speaker 1: as a special prosecutor.

1743
01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:53,880
Speaker 2: I think maybe I don't know.

1744
01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:56,680
Speaker 1: I looked at it a long time ago, maybe at

1745
01:34:56,760 --> 01:35:00,280
Speaker 1: one or two convictions, but a bunch of not goies

1746
01:35:00,360 --> 01:35:01,160
Speaker 1: and overturned.

1747
01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:02,439
Speaker 3: So yeah.

1748
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:05,640
Speaker 6: Oh, and when he went after the Republican governor of

1749
01:35:05,720 --> 01:35:08,320
Speaker 6: Virginia that was overturned by the Supreme Court.

1750
01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:09,479
Speaker 3: Nine zip. Right.

1751
01:35:09,880 --> 01:35:12,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, he just needs to call back into his haul

1752
01:35:12,200 --> 01:35:14,519
Speaker 1: and get the hell out of there. Hey, I wanted

1753
01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:17,519
Speaker 1: to ask you too. This surprised me. I want to

1754
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:22,920
Speaker 1: see if it surprised you the Evaldi School situation. Adrian Gonzalez,

1755
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:28,040
Speaker 1: former Yuval Day School police officer, not guilty on all

1756
01:35:28,160 --> 01:35:31,280
Speaker 1: twenty nine counts of child abandonment and endangerment.

1757
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:34,719
Speaker 2: Your thoughts on that, Well.

1758
01:35:35,320 --> 01:35:36,040
Speaker 3: Here's the thing.

1759
01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:41,040
Speaker 6: The prosecution depended a lot on emotional testimony from teachers,

1760
01:35:41,160 --> 01:35:45,799
Speaker 6: district staff, victims' families. They had experts, but those experts

1761
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:49,519
Speaker 6: seemed to paintings of the broad brush. Yeah, and two

1762
01:35:49,640 --> 01:35:53,280
Speaker 6: key witnesses for Gonzales erarchy. There's a woman who worked

1763
01:35:53,320 --> 01:35:55,960
Speaker 6: across the street from where the shooter crashed his truck

1764
01:35:56,040 --> 01:36:00,320
Speaker 6: before entering the school. Her testimony seemed to have fute

1765
01:36:00,360 --> 01:36:03,719
Speaker 6: the prosecution's argument that Gonzales crossed paths with the shooter

1766
01:36:03,800 --> 01:36:08,280
Speaker 6: before he entered the school, and there was also video

1767
01:36:08,720 --> 01:36:12,519
Speaker 6: surveillance video that seemed to refute this too. I mean,

1768
01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:16,240
Speaker 6: the defense pointed out the path where Gonzales drove by,

1769
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:20,000
Speaker 6: and it was while the shooter was ducking and reloading.

1770
01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:23,080
Speaker 6: I mean, your view point of view from a vehicle

1771
01:36:23,200 --> 01:36:27,599
Speaker 6: is rather limited. And they had a San Antonio police

1772
01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:31,360
Speaker 6: officer testified too about officer training and proper response, but

1773
01:36:31,479 --> 01:36:34,880
Speaker 6: he made it clear it depends on what they were

1774
01:36:34,960 --> 01:36:38,080
Speaker 6: seeing at the time, and he said there was context

1775
01:36:38,240 --> 01:36:41,000
Speaker 6: missing from the state's argument. I mean, the state was

1776
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:45,240
Speaker 6: just seemed to be painting things with a broadbrush, depending

1777
01:36:45,320 --> 01:36:49,479
Speaker 6: on emotion, because you know, if they're depending on district

1778
01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:53,080
Speaker 6: staff and victims' families for their evidence, no, you have

1779
01:36:53,200 --> 01:36:55,360
Speaker 6: to focus on what the officer was or wasn't doing.

1780
01:36:55,880 --> 01:36:58,840
Speaker 6: When they're putting on a whole bunch of emotional testimony,

1781
01:36:59,200 --> 01:37:01,799
Speaker 6: that's because they don't they know, they don't have squat

1782
01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:02,680
Speaker 6: for substance.

1783
01:37:03,560 --> 01:37:05,559
Speaker 1: I take it from what you're saying, James, you didn't

1784
01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:07,880
Speaker 1: think much of the case. I didn't pay a lot

1785
01:37:07,960 --> 01:37:10,320
Speaker 1: of attention to it. I don't know why. I just

1786
01:37:10,439 --> 01:37:12,880
Speaker 1: assumed that it was a strong case. But hell, that

1787
01:37:13,040 --> 01:37:15,840
Speaker 1: jury was only out what seven hours? And you and

1788
01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:18,120
Speaker 1: I both know in a big case like that, that's

1789
01:37:18,240 --> 01:37:19,360
Speaker 1: not a long time at all.

1790
01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:23,639
Speaker 6: Yeah, when a jury goes, I mean on a big

1791
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:28,040
Speaker 6: case like that, if a jury comes back that quickly acquitting,

1792
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:31,200
Speaker 6: they're just like, come on, prosecutors.

1793
01:37:30,640 --> 01:37:34,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, really did anybody Have you seen any of the

1794
01:37:34,240 --> 01:37:36,479
Speaker 1: jurors comment on it anything that they've said.

1795
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:39,360
Speaker 6: I haven't been able to see any of that. I've

1796
01:37:39,439 --> 01:37:42,400
Speaker 6: only been I've only seen the reports on the verdict

1797
01:37:42,479 --> 01:37:45,479
Speaker 6: and the evidence that was presented. And I just think

1798
01:37:45,640 --> 01:37:50,120
Speaker 6: this woman who worked across the street, the surveillance video,

1799
01:37:50,320 --> 01:37:53,240
Speaker 6: and the San Antonio officer, those seem to be the

1800
01:37:53,400 --> 01:37:59,200
Speaker 6: key points for the defense. The defense was a lot

1801
01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:01,840
Speaker 6: more surgic goal and it paid off.

1802
01:38:02,200 --> 01:38:06,160
Speaker 2: Sure. Well, you know what, you know, if you go ahead, if.

1803
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:08,479
Speaker 6: You present a mountain, if you just present a whole

1804
01:38:08,680 --> 01:38:12,599
Speaker 6: bunch of evidence, just if you rely on quantity, after

1805
01:38:12,640 --> 01:38:14,439
Speaker 6: a while, you're just talking to the wall.

1806
01:38:15,479 --> 01:38:16,439
Speaker 2: I get it, you know.

1807
01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:19,719
Speaker 1: According to AI, which I'm looking at here, The defense

1808
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:24,439
Speaker 1: argument says his legal team successfully argued that he was

1809
01:38:24,520 --> 01:38:28,400
Speaker 1: being used as a scapegoat for broader systemic failures involving

1810
01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:32,760
Speaker 1: nearly four hundred law enforcement responders. So I guess the

1811
01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:33,720
Speaker 1: jury picked up.

1812
01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:34,200
Speaker 2: And bought that.

1813
01:38:36,360 --> 01:38:38,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, And you know what I mean when you have

1814
01:38:38,760 --> 01:38:44,080
Speaker 6: a whole bunch of repetitive emotional testimony against two witnesses

1815
01:38:44,280 --> 01:38:49,360
Speaker 6: with a lot more substance, and then a video that

1816
01:38:49,720 --> 01:38:53,479
Speaker 6: helps the defense that you know, you key in on

1817
01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:56,360
Speaker 6: your main point to the defense attorney, and juries are

1818
01:38:56,400 --> 01:38:57,439
Speaker 6: going to pay attention to that.

1819
01:38:58,080 --> 01:38:59,720
Speaker 1: Well, and you know the thing too, they got to

1820
01:38:59,760 --> 01:39:03,439
Speaker 1: do it again. They've got the other police officer, I

1821
01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:07,240
Speaker 1: think Pete Aaron Dono is his name. I guess he's

1822
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:09,559
Speaker 1: got the same charges or is that not right?

1823
01:39:10,800 --> 01:39:13,439
Speaker 6: I think so I haven't looked too much at it. Yeah,

1824
01:39:13,600 --> 01:39:15,599
Speaker 6: but you know, bottom line that's going to come down

1825
01:39:15,680 --> 01:39:18,840
Speaker 6: to where was he in relation to everything? I mean,

1826
01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:21,960
Speaker 6: here you have one school resource officer for the whole school.

1827
01:39:23,280 --> 01:39:25,679
Speaker 6: I mean, one officer can't be everywhere.

1828
01:39:25,720 --> 01:39:28,680
Speaker 1: It was no no, And I get that, and I

1829
01:39:28,840 --> 01:39:32,240
Speaker 1: also get the families and how deeply they feel about it.

1830
01:39:32,400 --> 01:39:35,080
Speaker 1: But you know, and again, like I said, I didn't

1831
01:39:35,120 --> 01:39:38,559
Speaker 1: pay a lot of attention to it. What came out

1832
01:39:38,640 --> 01:39:42,320
Speaker 1: on this officer, Officer Gonzales, was that he did not

1833
01:39:42,640 --> 01:39:47,240
Speaker 1: run towards the gunfire, which I guess now that's what

1834
01:39:47,640 --> 01:39:50,240
Speaker 1: police officers are trained to do. It's like, hey, man,

1835
01:39:50,640 --> 01:39:52,880
Speaker 1: you're there to save the day. You got to run

1836
01:39:52,960 --> 01:39:54,480
Speaker 1: towards the FOT and the gunfire.

1837
01:39:56,320 --> 01:39:59,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, and you know the defenses, you know the defenses,

1838
01:40:00,200 --> 01:40:05,320
Speaker 6: mainly just pointing out. Hey, he added their version of

1839
01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:07,559
Speaker 6: the context, with the jury appeared to believe.

1840
01:40:07,920 --> 01:40:08,120
Speaker 3: Yep.

1841
01:40:08,479 --> 01:40:10,679
Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you this. We've got a couple

1842
01:40:10,720 --> 01:40:11,280
Speaker 2: of minutes left.

1843
01:40:11,320 --> 01:40:15,360
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you the debacle in the church

1844
01:40:15,720 --> 01:40:20,240
Speaker 1: in Minnesota last week, your thoughts on that? And I've

1845
01:40:20,280 --> 01:40:22,519
Speaker 1: asked a couple of people this tonight. I mean, as

1846
01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:24,120
Speaker 1: your watch, I'm assuming you watched it.

1847
01:40:24,200 --> 01:40:24,800
Speaker 2: Did you watch it?

1848
01:40:25,439 --> 01:40:25,639
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1849
01:40:25,720 --> 01:40:27,400
Speaker 6: I mean I didn't watch the whole thing all the

1850
01:40:27,439 --> 01:40:29,479
Speaker 6: way through, but I did watch clips of it.

1851
01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:29,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1852
01:40:30,040 --> 01:40:33,360
Speaker 6: And a house of worship is not a public place

1853
01:40:33,400 --> 01:40:34,439
Speaker 6: where you can protest.

1854
01:40:34,600 --> 01:40:36,160
Speaker 2: Amen. Amen.

1855
01:40:36,240 --> 01:40:40,960
Speaker 6: If they're out on the street, fine peaceably protesting, fine

1856
01:40:41,080 --> 01:40:45,080
Speaker 6: going in and invading like that. I mean yeah, if

1857
01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:49,040
Speaker 6: if a bunch of white conservatives, if they went to

1858
01:40:49,240 --> 01:40:53,839
Speaker 6: like a mosque or say one of those LGT churches,

1859
01:40:55,120 --> 01:40:58,800
Speaker 6: like that the Democrats would be all up and armed.

1860
01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:02,000
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I pointed that out before.

1861
01:41:01,840 --> 01:41:05,559
Speaker 6: Too, and I don't know, and then Steve Gooden did

1862
01:41:05,600 --> 01:41:07,800
Speaker 6: a great job of covering that, and he's definitely a

1863
01:41:07,880 --> 01:41:08,639
Speaker 6: tough act to follow.

1864
01:41:08,920 --> 01:41:11,639
Speaker 2: Well, James, you're pretty damn good too, buddy.

1865
01:41:12,720 --> 01:41:15,679
Speaker 6: Let me we're actually happy to be on the same

1866
01:41:16,040 --> 01:41:18,559
Speaker 6: show tonight, so it's we were having a little fun

1867
01:41:18,640 --> 01:41:18,800
Speaker 6: with that.

1868
01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:21,080
Speaker 2: Both of you guys make me look good.

1869
01:41:21,200 --> 01:41:21,960
Speaker 3: So what the heck?

1870
01:41:22,080 --> 01:41:24,960
Speaker 6: You know? But I mean, well, I was a quick

1871
01:41:25,000 --> 01:41:27,640
Speaker 6: story about Steve. He actually came on my podcast for

1872
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:31,280
Speaker 6: my May the fourth Star Wars episode where we did

1873
01:41:31,320 --> 01:41:34,000
Speaker 6: a whole lot of overthinking about Star Wars.

1874
01:41:35,200 --> 01:41:36,920
Speaker 2: And that is legal how.

1875
01:41:38,400 --> 01:41:41,439
Speaker 6: We actually did throw in some legal analysis about things like,

1876
01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:44,479
Speaker 6: you know, Han Solo shooting Grido the Bounty Hunter, and

1877
01:41:45,080 --> 01:41:47,840
Speaker 6: what if Darth Vader had survived, he would have been

1878
01:41:47,880 --> 01:41:50,439
Speaker 6: put on trial for all sorts of war crimes.

1879
01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:53,519
Speaker 1: Well, we digress, and we're getting out of time. But

1880
01:41:53,640 --> 01:41:56,920
Speaker 1: I did want to make sure to remind people your podcast.

1881
01:41:57,040 --> 01:42:00,960
Speaker 1: It's very good. It's called Past the Clock. It's on Apple,

1882
01:42:01,400 --> 01:42:06,120
Speaker 1: iHeart and Spotify. Correct, Yes, I told you one day

1883
01:42:06,160 --> 01:42:09,040
Speaker 1: I'd get that, all right, so I guess.

1884
01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:10,080
Speaker 2: That day is Steve.

1885
01:42:11,520 --> 01:42:11,960
Speaker 6: Episode.

1886
01:42:11,960 --> 01:42:15,640
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, all right, James really appreciate it, especially at

1887
01:42:15,680 --> 01:42:16,360
Speaker 1: this late hour.

1888
01:42:17,880 --> 01:42:20,040
Speaker 6: Well, always a privilege, Mike, thank.

1889
01:42:19,920 --> 01:42:21,720
Speaker 2: You for having me my pleasure. Thank you.

1890
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:25,760
Speaker 1: All right, James Wogan, he knows what the hell he's

1891
01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:28,600
Speaker 1: talking about. But I do have to say I was

1892
01:42:28,680 --> 01:42:32,360
Speaker 1: surprised by that verdict. Again, I didn't follow it that closely.

1893
01:42:33,600 --> 01:42:33,960
Speaker 2: I guess.

1894
01:42:34,920 --> 01:42:38,560
Speaker 1: I guess I didn't look at the evidence enough. But

1895
01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:40,880
Speaker 1: you know, it's a tough thing. I mean, to lose

1896
01:42:41,000 --> 01:42:43,640
Speaker 1: kids like that and then to put it all on

1897
01:42:43,680 --> 01:42:46,280
Speaker 1: the police officer. But again, I mean my understanding was

1898
01:42:47,000 --> 01:42:48,559
Speaker 1: I guess I'm wrong.

1899
01:42:48,640 --> 01:42:49,200
Speaker 2: I hope I am.

1900
01:42:49,320 --> 01:42:52,720
Speaker 1: That he kind of hid out, but I don't know.

1901
01:42:52,840 --> 01:42:55,240
Speaker 1: But anyway, Hey, the jury, that's the system. We have

1902
01:42:55,720 --> 01:42:57,880
Speaker 1: took them all of what eight hours to decide he's

1903
01:42:57,920 --> 01:43:00,360
Speaker 1: not guilty, and you got to live with that. And

1904
01:43:00,439 --> 01:43:02,479
Speaker 1: there's another trial coming up for another officer.

1905
01:43:02,720 --> 01:43:03,200
Speaker 2: Hey, you know what.

1906
01:43:03,520 --> 01:43:07,200
Speaker 1: We are finished here. I will be back Saturday for

1907
01:43:08,560 --> 01:43:11,280
Speaker 1: Saturday Midday. I want to thank my great producer and

1908
01:43:11,560 --> 01:43:14,960
Speaker 1: Dan Carroll for let me sit in for him. Mike

1909
01:43:15,000 --> 01:43:16,559
Speaker 1: Allen's seven hundred WLW