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Speaker 2: You know, I have worked for this company if you

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Speaker 2: be my twenty ninth year working at this company and

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Speaker 2: never recall promotion of a press conference like you know,

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Speaker 2: our news department has done stuff like you know what.

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Speaker 2: There's a big issue and the mayor is going to

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Speaker 2: for tomorrow one o'clock you'll hear Duke Tobin live on

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty, and we will react to it. Well.

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Speaker 2: There is no chance in hell, zero chance in hell

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Speaker 2: the hype. Write zero chance. We have hyped this bad

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Speaker 2: boy since it was announced. Unless he like lights himself

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Speaker 2: tomorrow one o'clock live on ESPN fifteen thirty. My name

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Speaker 2: is Moegar. Thank you so much for listening today. Hopefully

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Speaker 2: we start with the women's team Katrina Meriweather squad upsetting

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. Bob, good afternoon. How are you.

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Speaker 5: I'm going great? How are you?

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Speaker 2: I've never been better? Bob, what's going on?

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Speaker 5: I want to think to you what you were saying.

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Speaker 6: I've got to believe there's some things that you really

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Speaker 7: Yeah, nineteen offensive rebounds is the reason we lost the game.

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Speaker 7: We kept getting stops, but we just could not come

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Speaker 2: Mark Pope last season put together a team that I

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Speaker 2: There was a landmark victory last night at Fifth Third Arena,

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Speaker 8: I just want to start with how proud I am

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Speaker 2: Maya Peri had twenty six for UC last night. The

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Speaker 2: those things is the aforementioned Chad Brundle. Hi, Chad, I'm oh.

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Speaker 11: Sorry, I was telling Taran about my dinner in Memphis

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Speaker 11: that was really good. That's my bad.

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Speaker 2: I understand It's okay. Honestly, there's a big part of

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Speaker 2: me that would rather talk about your dinner in Memphis

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Speaker 2: than the things we're about to discuss.

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Speaker 11: I mean, it was really good. I had a flight

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Speaker 11: of surf and turf though.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, now I really would rather talk about that

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Speaker 2: than what we're about to talk about. But I have

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Speaker 2: to serve the audience, and you know how that works.

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Speaker 2: So here we go. Yeah, what now I'm talking men's basketball?

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Speaker 2: What now?

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Speaker 11: Sixteen games left in the regular season, one game left

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Speaker 11: in the conference tournament. Being kind, I mean, I don't know,

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Speaker 11: Like I don't have it. There's no reason to have

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Speaker 11: any confidence at this point that this team is going

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Speaker 11: to turn it around. Like they're going to have to

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Speaker 11: earn that, and so far they had not. And it's

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Speaker 11: unfortunate because I think, ultimately, like this is a group

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Speaker 11: of guys that I like. Since the first half of

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Speaker 11: the cleansing game, I feel like they're playing hard. I

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Speaker 11: feel like they're fighting. I feel like it's a team

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Speaker 11: that they're a leite on defense, they're really good rebounding,

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Speaker 11: Like it's a team that a lot of has a

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Speaker 11: lot of qualities that we've enjoyed at Cincinnati fans. They

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Speaker 11: just stink on offense. And I mean I think I

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Speaker 11: counted four different stretches against West Virginia where they went

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Speaker 11: at least three minutes without a point. And when that's

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Speaker 11: the case, I don't know, like where's the turnaround where, like,

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Speaker 11: logically can you say I feel like this team's going

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Speaker 11: to get it back on track. They're below two hundred

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Speaker 11: in offense for the season on Ken Palm, and they

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Speaker 11: they they're not moving right, like they're right in that

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Speaker 11: range and they're not. It's not like they had a

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Speaker 11: bad start and they're trending back up. I just don't

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Speaker 11: see any specific areas where I look at it and go, Okay,

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Speaker 11: I think this team's going to get it on track,

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Speaker 11: especially offensively.

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Speaker 2: What has been most disappointing to you about their offense

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Speaker 2: this season?

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Speaker 11: What's the identity of their offense? What? You know? What?

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Speaker 11: What are they supposed to be offensively? You know, we

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Speaker 11: we knew coming in and no I have talked about

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Speaker 11: this a lot over the years. When we go back

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Speaker 11: at the end of the West Miller era and say

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Speaker 11: what went wrong Wes Miller's ability to find a number one,

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Speaker 11: to find a give me the ball. I'm gonna make

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Speaker 11: something happen. I mean, I know people say like like

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Speaker 11: Dave de Julius and Landers Dolly, I think those are

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Speaker 11: Landers was kind of an off ball guy. The Julius

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Speaker 11: was probably the best he had, but that doesn't mean

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Speaker 11: he was like an all big twelve guy. They haven't

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Speaker 11: been able to find the number one. They haven't been

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Speaker 11: able to recruit one, they haven't been able to get

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Speaker 11: one in the portal, they haven't been able to develop one.

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Speaker 11: And it just makes you know everybody has to now

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Speaker 11: play up a spot or two and where they should

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Speaker 11: be on the you know, allocation of roles, and we're

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Speaker 11: seeing that doesn't work. Like Dayda Thomas is their leading scorer.

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Speaker 11: He's probably their best offensive player, but he's a guy

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Speaker 11: that scores in spurts, right. He's a guy that will

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Speaker 11: put up seven ten points in quick fashion, but then

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Speaker 11: he ends the game with fifteen. So that means in

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Speaker 11: the other you know, thirty seven minutes, he scored five points.

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Speaker 11: We saw that against Houston. We saw it the other night.

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Speaker 11: Coming out of the second half. He got hot, but

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Speaker 11: he didn't do a whole lot else the rest of

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Speaker 11: the game. You're asking guys to be something that they're not,

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Speaker 11: and that's just not a way to be successful at

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Speaker 11: this level.

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Speaker 2: If you would have said a sentence that you just

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Speaker 2: uttered there back in August, which is day A Thomas

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Speaker 2: is their best offensive player, If you would have said

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Speaker 2: that back in August, I think everybody was said, there's

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Speaker 2: no frickin way. And if that's the case, those things

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Speaker 2: have gone poorly. And so when the team was put together,

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Speaker 2: I cannot imagine nothing against Daydae, who we all like,

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Speaker 2: and you know, at the end of the first half

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Speaker 2: against Houston he was electrifying. But when the team was

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Speaker 2: put together, it was put together with the idea I

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Speaker 2: would imagine that somebody would be there, They're go to

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Speaker 2: guy offensively, Who is it supposed to be? And why

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Speaker 2: has that person not been what they're supposed to be.

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Speaker 11: Well, no, if you listen to the preseason preview show

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Speaker 11: on Bearcat journal dot com mm HM, I predicted Daydae

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Speaker 11: Thomas would be their leading score because I didn't see

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Speaker 11: anybody else that was capable of you know, look, it's

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Speaker 11: really difficult for like a Mustapha Chom who was young

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Speaker 11: and still developing. He's going to have his fifteen sixteen

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Speaker 11: seventeen point nights like we've seen, but he's also going

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Speaker 11: to have some four point nights. Boba Miller without a

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Speaker 11: jump shot. Teams are going to be able to play

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Speaker 11: off him, and it's going to be against the better teams,

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Speaker 11: the higher end teams. It's going to be really hard

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Speaker 11: for him to consistently get up in that fourteen fifteen

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Speaker 11: sixteen point range. I didn't see anybody on this roster

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Speaker 11: other than Data that was going to be able to

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Speaker 11: consistently put every night, night in and night out, double

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Speaker 11: digit points on the board. And I mean, now Gigsel's back,

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Speaker 11: I guess you could could say him, but I mean

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Speaker 11: he kind of looks like Gigsel James again, doesn't he

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Speaker 11: where Some nights it's there when that mid range shot

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Speaker 11: is falling, he can be really deadly. When it's not falling,

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Speaker 11: he can go three for thirteen. And that's that's ultimately

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Speaker 11: Wes Miller put over the five years that he's been here,

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Speaker 11: he put a ton of eggs in the basket that

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Speaker 11: Dan Skillings and Gigsel James we're going to evolve and

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Speaker 11: be you know, first team, second team All conference type guys.

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Speaker 11: It didn't happen if this ends in Wes Miller being

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Speaker 11: let go at the end of the season. That's probably

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Speaker 11: the number one reason why.

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Speaker 2: Wes has sounded after each of the last two games

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Speaker 2: like somebody who feels the walls closing in on him

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Speaker 2: and somebody who clearly is is feeling the heat both

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Speaker 2: externally and I'm sure internally. What's your take on how

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Speaker 2: he has come out after each of these last two losses.

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Speaker 11: He's handled it really poorly. I think in retrospect he'd probably,

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Speaker 11: I mean, I hope he would tell you that you

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Speaker 11: can't look Dan Hord is a bleeping legend in this town.

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Speaker 11: You can't come out and be short with Dan Hord,

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Speaker 11: who was giving him grace. I'm sure your guys are

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Speaker 11: in that locker room feeling terrible right now. He's giving

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Speaker 11: Less some cushion and then to jump down Dan's throat.

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Speaker 11: It's a bad looks it's not professional. It doesn't And

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Speaker 11: the biggest thing about it mo what he's talking about,

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Speaker 11: what he's what he's saying. Nobody is taking shots at

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Speaker 11: his team. That's not happening. Nobody is is piling on

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Speaker 11: this roster. These individual players, not nearly like we saw

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Speaker 11: last year. This has all been aimed and directed at

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Speaker 11: Wes Miller. So this tirade about you know, leave my

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Speaker 11: guys out of it and bunker mentality and us against

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Speaker 11: the world, that's not what's happening. There's a disconnect there.

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Speaker 11: And look, the walls are closing in. He doesn't feel

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Speaker 11: the walls closing in. He sees the walls closing in.

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Speaker 11: So look, if I had a three million dollar a

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Speaker 11: year job, I don't. I mean, I own a multimedia

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Speaker 11: conglomerate empire. But we're not quite at that level yet,

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Speaker 11: not yet. If I felt not yet, we're getting there.

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Speaker 11: If I felt the walls closing in and I knew,

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Speaker 11: like I could see the light at the end of

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Speaker 11: the tunnel, but I was well aware that that light

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Speaker 11: was a train, I'd probably be panicking too. But you're

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Speaker 11: the adult in the room, man, like you're supposed to

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Speaker 11: be the leader of men, and you can't come out

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Speaker 11: and handle yourself like that. And maybe if it happens once,

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Speaker 11: everybody gives it a pass and goes Look, they had

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Speaker 11: just played a tough Houston team close. He feels like

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Speaker 11: his team's ready to turn the corner. Like I understand

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Speaker 11: but then to come back out and do it again

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Speaker 11: after another loss where you can't figure out you can't

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Speaker 11: get your team across the finish line. It's a terrible look. Man,

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Speaker 11: It's just a terrible look.

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Speaker 2: I think, for me, what's interesting, and I talked about

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Speaker 2: this extensively yesterday. I think, as a general rule, and

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Speaker 2: I'm sure there have been exceptions. I know how social

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Speaker 2: media works, but I think, as a general rule, fans

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Speaker 2: and folks who talk about this team on public forums

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Speaker 2: have been very patient and I think have been very fair.

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Speaker 2: You know. I I've done this show for the entirety

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Speaker 2: of Wes's tenure here. I don't recall anybody saying the

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Speaker 2: things about Wes that they said about Mick Cronin in

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Speaker 2: his first three or four years, right where it was

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Speaker 2: often about things that had nothing to do with basketball.

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Speaker 2: I think there has been an understanding of the difficulty

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Speaker 2: of the job both year one, when he got to

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Speaker 2: gig in mid April and how hard that was, and

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Speaker 2: then moving into the Big twelve, and then everybody adjusting

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Speaker 2: to the reality that is the current college sports landscape,

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Speaker 2: and there was some exasperation and a lack of patience

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Speaker 2: being exhibited last year. But I feel like, as a

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Speaker 2: general rule of the sense was okay, that team didn't click.

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Speaker 2: Try again next year, year five. But you got to

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Speaker 2: get to the dance, and by the way, just get

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Speaker 2: to the dance doesn't mean got to get to the

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Speaker 2: second weekend of the tournament. Doesn't mean you've got to

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Speaker 2: win the Big twelve B team sixty eight and that'll

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Speaker 2: be tangible proof of progress. I think this entire time

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Speaker 2: his program has been talked about in fairness. As a

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Speaker 2: general rule, I think it is the criticisms have been

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Speaker 2: confined to what's happening on the floor and the results

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Speaker 2: these teams have achieved. And so what's interesting to me

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Speaker 2: is I would understand if a coach lashed out at

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Speaker 2: things that were unfair, narratives that had built that were unfair.

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Speaker 2: I just simply, and I like less a lot. I

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Speaker 2: just simply don't think that's been the case here.

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Speaker 11: I agree at one thousand percent. I don't feel like,

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Speaker 11: I mean I've been harsh, because I think that's it's warranted.

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Speaker 11: Like this was last year. Look, we saw progress year

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Speaker 11: one to year two, year two to year three. Last

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Speaker 11: year was supposed to be the year and it didn't work,

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Speaker 11: Dan Skillings got hurt, Dan Skillings didn't develop. I think

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Speaker 11: you probably built a roster that that fair or unfair,

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Speaker 11: didn't allow some guys to play to their strengths. Like

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Speaker 11: it just okay, it didn't work or gets basketball. Sometimes

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Speaker 11: your roster building just doesn't work. Yes, but that can't

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Speaker 11: happen twice in a row with an entirely different team

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Speaker 11: where the issues not only look the same, but the

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Speaker 11: same issues are showing up worse than the year before.

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00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 11: The offense is decidedly worse than it was a year ago.

647
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 11: I mean there was one point a couple weeks ago

648
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 11: MO they were last in the Big twelve and two

649
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 11: point percentage, three point percentage and pre pro percentage. That

650
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 11: speaks for itself. Things have regressed. And that's ultimately when

651
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 11: we're talking the world of sports. And I like Wes too.

652
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 11: West has been good to me. We had a good

653
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 11: relationship from the time he got here. Like this is

654
00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 11: not pointed at less. You've got a high job with

655
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 11: high expectations. When you have back to back years of regression,

656
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 11: the walls close in mm hm. That's just how this works. Unfortunately,

657
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 11: Like I don't know what else to like can can

658
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 11: really be said other than you know, if this team

659
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 11: started looked better than last year's team, but they were

660
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 11: still probably seventh eighth in the Big twelve, and it's like,

661
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 11: all right, well they're they're gonna be battling for a

662
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 11: bubble spot again. Like some of the criticism would be

663
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 11: unwarranted at that point. But that's not what we're talking about.

664
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Speaker 11: We're talking about a team that the Crown is going

665
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 11: to be like, I think we're good.

666
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 2: Uh, all right, well we got to run uh next

667
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 2: next week, I'll ask you who J. C. French is.

668
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 2: I'll look forward to that. Thank you. As always, we

669
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 2: don't have to run MO, it's your show.

670
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 11: You do whatever the heck you want.

671
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 2: Well we do have to. We do have to get

672
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 2: a unless you want to stick around and say some

673
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 2: more stuff. I mean, I hell, you know, it feels

674
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 2: like you got some things, some things to get off

675
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 2: your chest.

676
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:07,240
Speaker 5: I don't.

677
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 11: I'm just saying like you don't. Like you know, I've

678
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 11: hosted this show before. You have that blown through break.

679
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 2: No, you have, and I've already blown through one here.

680
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 2: I will, I will, I will talk to you next Thursday.

681
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll have a lot to discos. Thank you

682
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 2: as always, Chad Brendel, Bearcat Journal dot Com. It's nearly

683
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 2: four o'clock on ESPN fifteen thirty. Cincinnati Sports station Ralso mirrles.

684
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Speaker 1: Off season news on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home

685
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Speaker 1: of the Bengals.

686
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 2: What's Up four four, ESPN fifteen thirty. Moeger, thank you

687
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 2: so much for listening. Hopefully you haven't like the greatest

688
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 2: Thursday of all time. Kind of gnarly looking at right

689
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 2: now here in Kenway. I don't like it. Hey, we

690
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 2: got the the game tonight college football playoffs Diesta Bowl

691
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 2: Game one of two tomorrow being the other Ole Miss

692
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 2: and Miami. I've I'm not even trying to give out

693
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 2: a pick for that game a little bit later on,

694
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 2: and we've done we haven't done Locks of the Night

695
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 2: on since he three sixty I think in I think

696
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 2: in fifteen months, and I really wish that would change,

697
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 2: and maybe I'll make a change on this show. We

698
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 2: will see, we will see. But we have the game

699
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 2: for you tonight at seven o'clock on ESPN fifteen thirty.

700
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 2: Chad brought a lot to the table there as it

701
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 2: relates to Wes Miller, and I don't necessarily know that

702
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 2: it makes a lot of sense for me to regurgitate

703
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 2: a lot of the stuff we talked about yesterday. I

704
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 2: think you know, right now, there's two different issues. This

705
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 2: team does have sixteen games left in the regular season

706
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 2: plus the Big Twelve tournament. And you know, Wes has

707
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 2: talked a lot about the team coming together and taking

708
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 2: on the US against the world mentality, and I could

709
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 2: appreciate that. There's a long line of coaches who and

710
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 2: athletes as well, who have talked about that mentality. It's

711
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 2: US against the world. And so even if it's not

712
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 2: entirely rooted in reality, if a coach wants to use

713
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: outside noise to motivate his or her team, like, far

714
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 2: be it from me to say that that's a not

715
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 2: a good strategy. But I think above and beyond that,

716
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 2: like this team does, for the most part, play hard. Now,

717
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 2: I didn't love the effort in the first half against Clemson.

718
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,959
Speaker 2: I called that game. They were down thirty to five.

719
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 2: They rallied back in the second half, nearly forced overtime,

720
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 2: But that chunks of that first twenty minutes against Clemson

721
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 2: were the only time this year that I've really thought, God,

722
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 2: the effort is just not there. The execution hasn't been there.

723
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 2: They have been a good defensive team. Boba Miller is

724
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 2: one of the best rebounders in college basketball. Their defensive

725
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 2: metrics are really, really good. It's been a lack of

726
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 2: offensive execution. Even in this crazy weird age we are

727
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 2: in in college sports. They're not making a trade. There's

728
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 2: no trade dead now. I mean, this may happen one

729
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,399
Speaker 2: day because God knows what the next wave of college

730
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 2: sports is going to look like. But it's not like

731
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 2: there's help coming and they'll get healthier hopefully, and maybe

732
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 2: Jalen Haynes plays this season. But what they lack I

733
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 2: don't necessarily think is suddenly going to appear on the roster,

734
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 2: which is a dude who can just go get one

735
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 2: for you, a guy who could just go and get

736
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 2: you a bucket, whether it be in the middle of

737
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 2: a run. You know, on Saturday, Houston in the first half,

738
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 2: one on a ten to nothing run in like ninety

739
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 2: seconds completely erased Cincinnati's lead. A bucket getter breaks up

740
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 2: that run, different program, different time. I used to think

741
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 2: the awesome thing about Trayvon blewetted xavior was they were

742
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 2: hard to go on like a twelve to two run

743
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 2: against because he would just get a bucket for you,

744
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 2: And even when it felt like things were sliding downhill

745
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 2: and the other team had the momentum, he go get

746
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 2: a bucket for you. Or against tough defenses when the

747
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 2: half court offense broke down. There's dozens of players like

748
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 2: this in college basketball. They can create off the dribble.

749
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 2: Good interview yesterday Dan Horde did with Tony and Austin

750
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 2: on since he three to sixty, Go listen to it

751
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 2: on the app. But Dan talked about the lack of

752
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 2: a guy who can beat anybody off the dribble and

753
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 2: lower his shoulder, maybe get contact, finish, get hit, get

754
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 2: to the line. In the absence of that, and I

755
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:40,720
Speaker 2: don't know that that guy is suddenly gonna appear. Players

756
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 2: can improve, but I don't know that Sean Abayev is

757
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 2: suddenly going to turn into that guy for this year's team,

758
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 2: at least on a consistent basis. In the absence of that,

759
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 2: you have to master execution in late game situations, late

760
00:45:54,840 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 2: shot clock situations, half court situations, situations where where you

761
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 2: know you've fallen behind by a bucket or two in

762
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: the final four minutes and the game is about to

763
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 2: slip away, you got to execute a perfection. And for

764
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,720
Speaker 2: all of the talk of the US versus the world

765
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 2: mentality and the team staying together, which is great if

766
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 2: that happens. And by the way, I think that's a

767
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 2: challenge in this day and age keeping teams together. Tony

768
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 2: Pike has talked about this with different college football and

769
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 2: basketball teams over the years. I watched Scott Saderfield's first

770
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 2: UC team where it kind of really got rough at

771
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 2: the end where it was starting to become pretty visible

772
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 2: the difference in physicality and size between Cincinnati and some

773
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 2: of the teams they were playing, and toward the end

774
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 2: of the year, like you could just tell some guys

775
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 2: jump ship one Shama mittayor just physically left the program.

776
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 2: But you know, with the ability to move and with

777
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 2: nil And I'm not being the old guy complaining about

778
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 2: these things, but you do wonder when a season is

779
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 2: starting to spiral out of control, or season is not

780
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 2: living up to everybody's expectation, do players start playing with

781
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,280
Speaker 2: one eye on the portal or one eye on what's next,

782
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 2: or starting to hear about opportunities elsewhere, And so keeping

783
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 2: a team together, regardless of which program it is, I

784
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 2: think is more difficult than it's ever been, So that

785
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 2: in itself is a tough task for any coach. It's

786
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 2: a tough task, I'm sure for coaches of teams that

787
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 2: are having good seasons. But even if you do that,

788
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 2: the question is not so much about togetherness or ignoring

789
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 2: the noise or proving the doubters wrong. It's how do

790
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 2: you execute better? How do you execute better offensively? And yes,

791
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 2: how do you execute better offensively over forty minutes, But

792
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 2: I'd be willing to bet that between now and the

793
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 2: end of the season there are more games like Saturdays

794
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,720
Speaker 2: tied with three fifty two to go, or more games

795
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 2: like Tuesdays they we're up five four minutes to go.

796
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 2: And offensively, you've got to get buckets. Offensively, you've got

797
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 2: to get shots at the rim. Offensively, you've got to

798
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 2: stave off the opposition. Offensively, you've got to put away

799
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 2: the opposition. Offensively, you have to come back with not

800
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 2: much time to spare against the opposition. Like there's the question,

801
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 2: and you know, the postgame show comments have taken on

802
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 2: a life of their own, and understandably so. But all right,

803
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 2: like fine, us against the world. We're taking on everybody.

804
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 2: We've got to stay together. If folks want to jump ship,

805
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 2: let them jump ship. All that is awesome. How are

806
00:48:56,160 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 2: you going to execute better? Offensively? What do you do offensively?

807
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 2: And like not just to win a game? And that's

808
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 2: obviously where you have to start. But the standard before

809
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 2: the season was make the NCAA tournament And the reality

810
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 2: is they're eight and seven. They had the second worst

811
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 2: net ranking in the Big Twelve. You know, I was

812
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 2: looking at West Virginia because Cincinnati played them on Tuesday night.

813
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 2: The Mountaineers were one of the last teams left on

814
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 2: the outside looking in. Last year, they finished nineteen and

815
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 2: thirteen with a ten and ten record in the Big Twelve. Now,

816
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 2: there's not twenty Big Twelve games anymore, but nineteen and

817
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 2: thirteen that and they were out. They were on the

818
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 2: outside looking in. Cincinnati already has seven and to finish

819
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 2: with a five hundred record of the Big Twelve, they're

820
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 2: gonna have to win let's see, nine of their last

821
00:49:53,800 --> 00:50:02,439
Speaker 2: sixteen games. That would be a lot to ask if

822
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 2: this team was two to zero in the Big twelve.

823
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 2: That would be a lot to ask if this team

824
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 2: offensively was much better than it is, So like, all right,

825
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:17,439
Speaker 2: stay together, keep playing hard, have each other's back, take

826
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 2: on all the outsiders, ignore the noise, us against the world.

827
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 2: Here for it. It's awesome, do it great. Whatever you

828
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 2: gotta do, whatever you got to do to keep your

829
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 2: team together, whatever you gotta do to motivate your team.

830
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 2: I'm here for And I'll assume Less has the temperature

831
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 2: of his team that he believes rightly so that that

832
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 2: will work. But if they don't start to perform better offensively,

833
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 2: none of it's gonna matter. So there's really the question

834
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 2: not are you are you gonna keep the guys engaged

835
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:57,720
Speaker 2: and together, but offensively, what are they gonna do differently

836
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,319
Speaker 2: over the final sixteen games that they haven't done through

837
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 2: the first fifteen. Who's gonna be the guy that can

838
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 2: take control of this offense in hard games and there's

839
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 2: a bunch of them on the schedule, can they find

840
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 2: ways offensively to score more and score when the game

841
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 2: is hanging in the balance in the absence of that

842
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 2: type of player. And if the answers are no, then

843
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 2: let's be honest about this. Regardless of how Wes handle's

844
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 2: postgame shows, and regardless of how much they stay together

845
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 2: and how hard they play, none of it's gonna matter.

846
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 2: And if that six minutes or whatever it was of

847
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 2: commentary is bothersome to some that I can't I cannot

848
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 2: help you, and I will double down on this and

849
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not gonna dwell on this anymore than

850
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 2: I think it's needed unless somebody else wants to talk

851
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 2: about it. But if there's anger at criticism of what

852
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 2: is being said or written about the team, I have

853
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 2: yet to see an example that matters of somebody being unfair.

854
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 2: I got an email here and it's a nice email,

855
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 2: gentleman by the name of Steve, and what he told

856
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 2: me to do is go look at Lance McAllister's Facebook page.

857
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 2: Now I don't need to be told to do that

858
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Speaker 2: because I consume Lance's content. Lance has been harsh and

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Speaker 2: he's been critical number one. That's Lance number two. I think,

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Speaker 2: as is usually the case, his criticism, some of which

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Speaker 2: I don't really agree with, is based on performance. It's

862
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Speaker 2: based on outcomes. So I asked yesterday, like, is there

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Speaker 2: somebody with a platform out there who is being unfair,

864
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Speaker 2: who is taking personal shots, who is making a part

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Speaker 2: of the discussion things that don't have anything to do

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Speaker 2: with basketball. I am not talking about anonymous social media feeds.

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Speaker 2: Fan support for this program has been awesome, Like has

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Speaker 2: legitimately been awesome. I've been many games where you look

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Speaker 2: at and you're like, man, there's only like four thousand

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Speaker 2: people here, and I think the coverage and commentary of

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Speaker 2: this team, and you know, I don't want to spend

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Speaker 2: another hour and forty minutes on the postgame show the

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Speaker 2: other night because I don't think there's an appetite in

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Speaker 2: the audience for that. But what made the other night

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Speaker 2: so weird to me is like I don't know who

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Speaker 2: it's being aimed at or what it's being aimed at.

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Speaker 2: But once you kind of get done with that again, offensively,

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Speaker 2: it's going to be better. What's going to be different?

879
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 2: How do you execute better? How do you score more?

880
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 2: And how do you close out games that are there

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Speaker 2: for the taking against good opponents? Seventeen minutes after four o'clock,

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Speaker 2: lines are open five point three, seven four nine, fifteen

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Speaker 2: thirty and eight six six seven oh two three seven

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Speaker 2: seven six, don't forget tomorrow. It's the most hyped press

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Speaker 2: conference of all time. Duke Tobin one o'clock live on

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty reaction to it immediately after. I don't

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Speaker 2: think I don't think there's all that much that is

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Speaker 2: necessarily going to get accomplished tomorrow. So I'll just talk

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Speaker 2: about things that I think would be kind of interesting

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Speaker 2: in a bit on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 4: two two sixty three. Still keeping an eye on two

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Speaker 4: accidents out there. The first one southbound seventy five at

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Speaker 4: Ezer Charles Troitt that went off in the lane. Police

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Speaker 4: on scene, looking like the lays have gone down to

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Speaker 4: only a minute or two back from the Western Hills Viaduct.

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Speaker 2: This is ESPN fifteen thirty. Moegar, that's me, Thanks, for listening.

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Speaker 2: By the way, tomorrow will be our first Friday show

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Speaker 2: since August. We will be following since the three sixty,

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Speaker 2: which is obviously what we do every day except on

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Speaker 2: Fridays during football season we have the pep Rally show.

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Speaker 2: So we we haven't done a show. I took off.

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Speaker 2: I was off the last No, it wasn't. I worked

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Speaker 2: the last Friday before Bengals pep Rally. We have been

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Speaker 2: off the last eighteen Fridays. So we're back tomorrow three

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Speaker 2: to six and look forward to five. Three thirty is

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Speaker 2: our phone number. Let's see here. Who do we have?

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Speaker 2: Brian and Montgomery. Brian, You're on ESPN fifteen thirty. Brian,

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Speaker 2: good afternoon. How are you good?

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Speaker 12: After him?

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Speaker 13: How are you doing?

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Speaker 8: Mom?

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Speaker 2: I'm good man.

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Speaker 10: What's up hey?

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Speaker 13: Quick question? Two questions. I would hope that somebody asks

922
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Speaker 13: in the media to uh, to do Tobin tomorrow.

923
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Speaker 14: That's been.

924
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 10: You know, has been years and years.

925
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Speaker 13: But so they continually say that they have this great quarterback,

926
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Speaker 13: which I agree Burrow as a franchise quarterback, it's a

927
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Speaker 13: once in a you know, a generation, you know. But

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Speaker 13: with that type of quarterback, obviously the window opens and

929
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Speaker 13: closes really quick and you got to take advantage of it.

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Speaker 13: So if you think he's that good and with the

931
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Speaker 13: franchise quarterback, you should be one and you should be

932
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Speaker 13: a couple of pieces away from being a Super Bowl contender.

933
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Speaker 13: So where's the urgency of in free agency or making

934
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Speaker 13: trades to make you better? Like you see teams go

935
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Speaker 13: out and get like like I know the Cowboys and

936
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Speaker 13: up the day ended up trading a bunch to try

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Speaker 13: to be a contender.

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Speaker 14: You look at the Colts, they tried.

939
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Speaker 2: To be contenter.

940
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Speaker 13: They got you know, they traded for the corner Sauce Gardner.

941
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Speaker 2: You have teams that make moves.

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Speaker 13: Because they want to contend and they see like, okay,

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Speaker 13: I have a short window, like and Dak's not near

944
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Speaker 13: the quarterback burrough is?

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Speaker 14: I mean?

946
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Speaker 13: So I think we'd agree that I think Daniel.

947
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Speaker 5: Jones is in yere.

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Speaker 13: So you have this quarterback's generational that can lead you

949
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Speaker 13: to a Super Bowl obviously with a terrible offensive line

950
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Speaker 13: and just a few pieces year and there could take

951
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Speaker 13: you there.

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Speaker 5: Why not go all in? So to speak with.

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Speaker 13: Your franchise QB, what is the urgency there? And then

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Speaker 13: my second question would be what does accountability look like

955
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Speaker 13: because on the roster I actually I watched I listened

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Speaker 13: to Dan Patrick today and Ryan Fitzpatrick actually reminded me

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Speaker 13: of this, because the biggest thing in a team is

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Speaker 13: you show accountability to your players. Like if you have

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Speaker 13: a young player that watches Geno Stone missed one hundred

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Speaker 13: tackle of the year and he's committing, like and he

961
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Speaker 13: still gets to.

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Speaker 5: Go out there and start, and then gets talked up.

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Speaker 13: At the end of the season, Like what does that

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Speaker 13: tell that person, like like they don't hold him accountable,

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Speaker 13: Like like they don't hold these people like Bolson the

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Speaker 13: last couple of years he finally got held accountable, but

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Speaker 13: it was a few.

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Speaker 14: Years too late.

969
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Speaker 13: Like just a lot of this stuff that should be

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Speaker 13: taken care of right away that really good coaches don't

971
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Speaker 13: have a problem with, Hey you're not performing, you're on

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Speaker 13: the bench, you know, yeah, or an organization like, hey

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Speaker 13: you're not performing, all right, you're out, you know.

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Speaker 14: Like that's the.

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Speaker 13: Accountability factor in the culture of the Bengals, And I

976
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Speaker 13: think Burrow actually probably raised it a little bit because

977
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Speaker 13: it used to be just non existent.

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Speaker 10: Especially in the Marvel News there.

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Speaker 13: But but those two things would the thing that bugs

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Speaker 13: me the most is we have this franchise QB and

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Speaker 13: there's an urgency.

982
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Speaker 14: It's like, we'll just do whatever.

983
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Speaker 13: We'll stay in our draft spot. Hopefully somebody falls down

984
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Speaker 13: to us. Oh you know, Pittsburgh or Baltimore right in

985
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Speaker 13: front of us. Oh, they've picked our player. Why don't

986
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Speaker 13: you get rust of them and go get them? You know, like,

987
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Speaker 13: if you think that that person's gonna make a difference,

988
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Speaker 13: rather than taking another project that you just throw, you know,

989
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Speaker 13: just a flyer at how about we actually go make

990
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Speaker 13: a difference and actually see like, Okay, I want that player.

991
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Speaker 13: That player is going to improve us today. We need

992
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Speaker 13: to go get them, like I do. I've never seen

993
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Speaker 13: that in the Bengals, Like never. They miss out on

994
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Speaker 13: a lot of talent doing that way. And then you

995
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Speaker 13: always hear the next day from the Riders that said,

996
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Speaker 13: oh they really wanted this guy, but this this team

997
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 13: took him right before. And it's like, okay, well there

998
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Speaker 13: was other teams to trade it up or trade it down.

999
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Speaker 13: Why can't we try to do that?

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Speaker 11: You know?

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Speaker 13: So yeah, I'm just betting to you now. But I

1002
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Speaker 13: finally I'm glad that they actually have a person like

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Speaker 13: Duke Tobin actually coming and showing maybe some accountability tomorrow

1004
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 13: and having to talk to the press. But I'm hoping,

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Speaker 13: I'm really hoping that they grill them and give them

1006
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Speaker 13: some really good questions because it's been too long.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, and I and Brian, thanks very much the

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Speaker 2: phone call. I don't grilling to me, doesn't have to

1009
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Speaker 2: mean confrontational, doesn't have to mean antagonistic. But I think

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Speaker 2: it would be fair if Duke Tobin were asked, for example,

1011
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Speaker 2: do you think you asked Joe Burrow to do too much?

1012
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Speaker 2: Among the many, many, many common complaints of the last

1013
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Speaker 2: couple of years has been that it feels like the

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Speaker 2: Bengals asked Joe Burrow to do too much overcome at

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Speaker 2: times bad offensive lines, overcome bad defenses. Do you feel

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Speaker 2: like you asked Joe Burrow to do too much? Do

1017
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Speaker 2: you feel like you rely too much on Joe Burrows.

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Speaker 2: Let's go back to last offseason, right, So they have

1019
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 2: a bad defense last year, so awful, that Joe plays

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Speaker 2: all seventeen games and plays at an MVP caliber level

1021
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Speaker 2: and you're still on the outside looking at the postseason.

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Speaker 2: That is mainly not entirely I guess, but mainly because

1023
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Speaker 2: of how bad the defense was. What do they do

1024
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 2: this offseason? Not a lot, because it kind of felt like, hey,

1025
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Speaker 2: look we're good, we got Joe. Remember league average defense.

1026
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Speaker 2: Do you think you guys asked Joe Burrow to do

1027
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Speaker 2: too much? And what do you do to change that?

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Speaker 2: At The answer is yes, I think that's fair. I

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Speaker 2: think you can ask that. It's not confrontational, I believe,

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Speaker 2: and I'm sure there are exceptions in press conference settings

1031
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 2: where there is a confrontation, where there is something antagonistic.

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01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 2: I don't think it's ever really the faults of somebody

1033
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 2: asking the question. I'm sure there are instances where you

1034
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 2: could say, actually, Mo, there's this, But for the most part,

1035
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Speaker 2: it's a fair question and the person getting asked it

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Speaker 2: gets defensive, gets a little standoffish. I don't think Duke's

1037
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Speaker 2: gonna do that, But like to me, you know, you

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Speaker 2: talk about grilling questions. I don't think anybody's going to

1039
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Speaker 2: go in there looking to make a show of themselves,

1040
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 2: to grandstand, or to even make Duke look bad. I

1041
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 2: think you can ask fair and pointed questions that might

1042
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 2: make the subject uncomfortable, but that's okay. Duke Tobin should

1043
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 2: be uncomfortable. The team just went six and eleven. I

1044
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 2: think the accountability question is a terrific one, and I

1045
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 2: think it would be awesome to hear pretty much everybody

1046
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 2: in the organization answer that some people are held accountable.

1047
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 2: Logan Wilson was, Geno Stone wasn't Louanna Romo was, Zach

1048
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 2: Taylor hasn't been Al Golden not so much? Does accountability

1049
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 2: for Duke Tobin look like tomorrow? Is accountability simply you

1050
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Speaker 2: got to go to a press conference, Duke, the sort

1051
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 2: of thing you typically don't do. What does it look like?

1052
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 2: Do you feel like you're being held accountable? And if

1053
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:51,440
Speaker 2: the losing continues, is accountability going to involve you looking

1054
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 2: for employment elsewhere? Like there's I am not watching or

1055
01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 2: listening tomorrow expecting fireworks, that it's not gonna get anything done.

1056
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Speaker 2: That doesn't help anybody. I just think interesting answers. I

1057
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Speaker 2: think Duke Tobin's perspective on this season is interesting. He

1058
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Speaker 2: may go out of his way to provide no real perspective,

1059
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 2: but like that's one Duke, your team didn't win this

1060
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 2: year relative to everybody's preseason expectations. This season totally went sideways. Yes,

1061
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Speaker 2: the Burrow injury, which is beyond your control, was a factor.

1062
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 2: But why do you think this went wrong? What happened

1063
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Speaker 2: this year that you didn't expect? What mistakes? Would you

1064
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 2: love to go back and redo again. I don't know

1065
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Speaker 2: if he's gonna have questions thrown at him freeze that way.

1066
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Speaker 2: I don't know if he's going to answer him. But

1067
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Speaker 2: I think perspective from him on why this went sideways

1068
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Speaker 2: is interesting. But I think for the most part, most

1069
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Speaker 2: of us are interested in what's next, and that's where

1070
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Speaker 2: urgency comes in. That's where aggressiveness comes in. You can

1071
01:03:56,040 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 2: aggressively address your roster and not spend blindly, spend irresponsibly.

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Speaker 2: and I totally forgot. I could not be a more

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Speaker 2: disorganized mess that I am today. The college football playoff

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Speaker 2: semi finals tonight. You got the Fiesta Boy, you got

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Speaker 2: Old Miss, you got Miami. This line's three at some point,

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Speaker 2: and this is I think the most simple way to

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Speaker 2: look at this game. So I admit that at some

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Speaker 2: point the Old Miss coaching situation I think is going

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Speaker 2: to have a negative impact on their team. And that

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Speaker 2: hasn't happened in the first two college football playoff games.

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Speaker 2: I think it happens tonight. I only have to lay

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Speaker 2: three points to take the team that has been really good,

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Speaker 2: dominant upfront, pushed Ohio State around better at the line

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Speaker 2: of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. It has

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Speaker 2: said coaching stability this entire time. I only get a

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Speaker 2: lay three points, I'll take Miami. I think we're gonna

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Speaker 2: get Miami and IU in the national title game. We'll see,

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Speaker 2: we'll see tonight. You could hear it on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: Pregame covered starts at seven o'clock. Mike, go ahead, you're

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Speaker 2: on ESPN fifteen thirty. Mike, Good afternoon. How are you.

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Speaker 14: You're a hell of a guy, you know that.

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Speaker 2: Thank you?

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Speaker 14: Really like you, Mo likewise, respect you as well, do you? Yeah,

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Speaker 14: quite a bit. You're the one I know you're a

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Speaker 14: good friend because sometimes I try to give constructive criticism,

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01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 14: not in the most classy way, and you forgive me

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Speaker 14: for it. So I'm very grateful to you for that.

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Speaker 2: You know what, Here's how I look at that, right

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Speaker 2: you could you could, first of all, can instructive criticism

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Speaker 2: is fine? Love it, want it, need more of it.

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Speaker 2: So that is totally fine. When you get criticism that's

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Speaker 2: not constructive, but you still listen to the show. That's

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Speaker 2: okay too.

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Speaker 14: Yeah. Well, I'm just bitching about it because I'm having

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Speaker 14: my period.

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Speaker 5: No, I didn't say it, Mike.

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Speaker 14: Sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Uh. You mentioned double down

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Speaker 14: a little earlier, and that tells me your mind is

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01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 14: going to baseball already. They're thinking of the home dog already.

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Speaker 2: The single most successful betting strategy in all of sports

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Speaker 2: is the Major League Baseball home dog strategy.

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Speaker 14: Thanks the veto Jackaloney, the wooden leg Italian from Detroit.

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Speaker 2: That you met in prison.

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Speaker 14: Yes, yes, sir, the hell he was the nicest, handsome

1133
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Speaker 14: rascal too. They make trouble with the women.

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Speaker 2: Until he got to jail.

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Speaker 14: He was in jail many times. He was in a racket.

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Speaker 14: He was a racketeer.

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Speaker 12: But uh, anyway, uh, before I get to the game tonight,

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Speaker 12: Nick Saban, Nick Saban, who I really enjoy listening to

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Speaker 12: on game day.

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Speaker 14: Uh, when I catch it, he had what I thought

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Speaker 14: sounded like the most logical, fair equitable solution to n

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Speaker 14: I l in the transfer portal. But I would I

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Speaker 14: hesitate to try to uh to to paraphrase him, because

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Speaker 14: I think I might mess it up because it was

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Speaker 14: pretty technical. But I would encourage anyone to uh to

1146
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Speaker 14: listen to find that, to find him on a podcast

1147
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Speaker 14: with his with his description on how he thinks this

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Speaker 14: thing should know.

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Speaker 2: What was the what was the general une tenor of

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Speaker 2: of his of his argument?

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Speaker 14: Well, general tone is the player should he wants the

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Speaker 14: players to make money. M h.

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Speaker 2: Everybody does and everybody.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, but you know, and beyond the fact that it's

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Speaker 14: out of control and it needs a governing body and

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Speaker 14: all that. But it got more technical than that, moan.

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Speaker 14: I can't give it credit, but I just wanted to

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Speaker 14: tell people to try to check that out because it's

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Speaker 14: really really good and you know, as well as I

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Speaker 14: do call it to lead into this game tonight, College

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Speaker 14: football is much better off now. And you echoed this

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Speaker 14: a few years ago when all this started. Everybody was

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Speaker 14: in me too. You know, all we're getting rid of

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Speaker 14: the old conferences. It's going to screw everything up, all

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Speaker 14: the travel blah blah blah blah blah, forget tradition, and

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Speaker 14: you said give it a chance, and you are exactly right,

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Speaker 14: because football, this is the most exciting playoff we've ever

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Speaker 14: had because everybody was tired of Alabama and Ohio State

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Speaker 14: and Clemson.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think there's I think there are a lot

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Speaker 2: of things about the current state of college football that

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01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 2: are much more awesome than what we had twenty years ago.

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Speaker 2: A lot of things. The College Football Playoff being expanded

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Speaker 2: to twelve I think is perfect. I do not think

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Speaker 2: we need sixteen. I also don't think we have to contract,

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Speaker 2: which isn't gonna happen anyway. I don't think we need

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Speaker 2: twenty four. I think twelve is perfect because there's enough

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Speaker 2: room for debate. There's enough wiggle room if you have

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Speaker 2: a couple of losses, I would I would sort of

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Speaker 2: reframe how you allow the group of five schools in

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Speaker 2: quite frankly, you know, I think James Madison should have

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Speaker 2: been asked to have a special season where you know,

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Speaker 2: they run the table or beat you know, a big

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Speaker 2: power five school. But that's a tweak. I think as

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Speaker 2: a general rule, what the twelve team playoff has done,

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Speaker 2: it's created fun debates, it's more inclusive, and we have

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Speaker 2: an opportunity for more newness.

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Speaker 10: Now.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what the ratings for these two games

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Speaker 2: or the championship game are gonna look like. But there

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Speaker 2: is something I think reform about the newness where you

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Speaker 2: have schools that either have never won a title or

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Speaker 2: schools that haven't won a title in forever. I think

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Speaker 2: a lot of us as we watched Alabama every year

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Speaker 2: and Clemson every year and don't get mad at me,

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Speaker 2: Buckeye'es fans, but Ohio State on a fairly regular basis,

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Speaker 2: there was a staleness to it because we saw the

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Speaker 2: same schools. Now, more playoff teams means more possibilities as

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Speaker 2: we get to the end, and that's what we have

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Speaker 2: right now. I think that is awesome. There's a lot

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Speaker 2: about conference realignment that I haven't liked. I do think

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Speaker 2: it's stupid to have a conference where you have one

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Speaker 2: school in California and another one in New Jersey. But

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Speaker 2: we are getting some awesome regular season matchups that we

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Speaker 2: weren't getting. That is a good thing now College sports

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Speaker 2: as a whole. Oh Man, I am as pro player

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Speaker 2: as anybody. I am as pro player making money as anybody.

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Speaker 2: I think with the way the pendulum has swung in

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Speaker 2: favor of the athlete, though, you have a situation where

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Speaker 2: fans no longer feel like they're rooting for plays that

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Speaker 2: have a real connection to their school, and I think

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Speaker 2: you have fans that miss the days of a story

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Speaker 2: being told by a certain player over two or three

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Speaker 2: or four years. I'm gonna give you a quick story here, Mike, Okay,

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Speaker 2: my favorite all time UCE basketball storyline is the one

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Speaker 2: involving Kenyon Martin. Kenyan Martin as a senior, we all remember,

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Speaker 2: right player of the year, number one overall pick in

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Speaker 2: the draft, number one team in the country. We know

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Speaker 2: what happened in the conference tournament. He didn't show up

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Speaker 2: on campus as a guy who was going to be

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Speaker 2: the number one overall pick. His freshman year, you couldn't

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Speaker 2: put him in the game. Now, they didn't need him

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Speaker 2: to play because they had a team that was preseason

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Speaker 2: number one in the country. But as a freshman when

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Speaker 2: he got on the floor, he could not have looked

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Speaker 2: more lost. I remember thinking, like, you can't play that

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Speaker 2: guy like that. Dude's not going to play at this level?

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Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? By his sophomore year, defensively, he

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Speaker 2: could start to control a game, and he could start

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Speaker 2: to have a real impact on a game without ever

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Speaker 2: really touching the ball offensively, aside from putbacks and stuff

1232
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Speaker 2: like that, you really didn't trust him. By his junior year,

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Speaker 2: he started around in the form offensively and he was

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Speaker 2: easily the best defensive player in his conference and one

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Speaker 2: of the best in the country. Going into his senior year,

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Speaker 2: you thought, you know what, if he has a great offseason,

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Speaker 2: he could beat the NBA draft choice. Ended up being

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Speaker 2: the player of the year in the country. I loved

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Speaker 2: in real time watching him make that four year evolution.

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Speaker 2: That is a thing of the past, and I miss it.

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Speaker 2: That is a thing that is a relic. We're not

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Speaker 2: getting that back anymore, and I miss it, and I wish,

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Speaker 2: I wish that the pendulum would swing back so that

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Speaker 2: when you're you're rooting for your favorite college football or

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01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:47,160
Speaker 2: basketball program, or whatever college sport you're into, that you

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Speaker 2: had more of a sense that you had a connection

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Speaker 2: to the players because they had a connection to the school.

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Speaker 2: And it doesn't feel that way. And I think that.

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Speaker 2: I think where we are right now is turning a

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Speaker 2: lot of people off. And as much which is yes,

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01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 2: the ratings for college football and basketball are still really good,

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01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 2: and as much as yes, the games themselves can still

1253
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 2: be so good. Fans like a connection. Fans love to

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01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 2: have connections between the teams and athletes they root for.

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Speaker 2: It's now easier to have one in the pros than

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Speaker 2: it is in college, and I think that's unfortunate, and

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Speaker 2: I hope it changes.

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Speaker 14: I agree with you because I can remember back in

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Speaker 14: the day when I was growing up, and then then

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Speaker 14: when they went to free You know, it was great

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Speaker 14: because I can't you know, I get together with my

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01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:32,760
Speaker 14: buddies and bicycle cards on a bicycles, or baseball cards

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Speaker 14: on a bicycles, folks and stuff, and everybody knew everybody's lineup.

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Speaker 14: I knew the Cardinals lineup the park and on this

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01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:42,439
Speaker 14: those days, those were fun because you don't speak with

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Speaker 14: some sort of intelligence as opposed to I'm not sure

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Speaker 14: who they got.

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Speaker 2: Look, I love I love college basketball. I love UC basketball.

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Speaker 2: I love Gary Clark. I watched them for four years,

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Speaker 2: and I felt like over the course of those four years,

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Speaker 2: like you know, again, you can say I'm overusing the

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Speaker 2: word connection, but there was a connection there right like

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Speaker 2: there's that's one of my three all time favorite UC

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Speaker 2: players because over the course of four years, you got

1275
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:06,240
Speaker 2: to know him, you got to watch him grow and

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01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:09,639
Speaker 2: develop and mature. And you know, granted, you have had

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Speaker 2: players for years who have left after a year, yet

1278
01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:15,040
Speaker 2: left after two years. But even in those instances, it

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Speaker 2: felt like there was a connection that the athlete had

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Speaker 2: to the school. And I think that's gone. And I

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01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:24,400
Speaker 2: think college sports fans want to root for players that

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Speaker 2: they have a connection to because they have a connection

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Speaker 2: to their program, and I think when that is lost,

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Speaker 2: that is a bad thing for college athletics.

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01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:37,599
Speaker 14: Yeah, because there's no guttural feeling anymore, not really not

1286
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 14: like I know, you got to go, hey, tonight's game.

1287
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:44,760
Speaker 14: I think this now everybody's you know America team right now?

1288
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 11: Is Gold missed?

1289
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 5: Obviously?

1290
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 3: Sure what happened?

1291
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't care.

1292
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 14: I mean, you know, that's fine. Dad's a good story.

1293
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 14: But Miami's going to beat the breaks off these sides.

1294
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:57,599
Speaker 14: I think that three point spread is way low.

1295
01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 2: I think it's way low too, with you too.

1296
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:03,639
Speaker 14: I think Miami will dominate them.

1297
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:06,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if they're going to dominate them

1298
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:08,800
Speaker 2: because I you know, look, he even saw in the

1299
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 2: Ohio State game there's not a ton of offensive explosiveness,

1300
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 2: So I don't know that they can run away and hide,

1301
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 2: but I think they can push them around and again,

1302
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:20,640
Speaker 2: like this is a really sort of elementary way of

1303
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 2: looking at it. At some point the coaching chaos, you

1304
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 2: just you fear that it's going to catch up to

1305
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:29,040
Speaker 2: Ole miss and my bed is on that happening tonight.

1306
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 14: Yeah, I know you like Mario Christobal.

1307
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 12: Uh.

1308
01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 2: I guess I remember him as a player because I'm old,

1309
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:38,000
Speaker 2: not as old as you, but I remember as a

1310
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:42,120
Speaker 2: player he is. He is not a good late game manager,

1311
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:42,720
Speaker 2: I'll say that.

1312
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:45,800
Speaker 14: No, I mean for their regular season. I don't know

1313
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:48,200
Speaker 14: how they turned it around that quickly with it because

1314
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 14: it was not wasn't like they had tons of injuries,

1315
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:52,559
Speaker 14: if I recall. So, I don't know what happened. Somebody

1316
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 14: let a fire under their hiding somehow, I don't know. Anyway, Thanks,

1317
01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:57,000
Speaker 14: I know you're busy.

1318
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:59,800
Speaker 2: Okay, Mike, Thanks very much. I think that's at the

1319
01:16:59,880 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 2: end end of the day. Like the current state of

1320
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:12,400
Speaker 2: college sports, I have been a proponent and remain a

1321
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:15,719
Speaker 2: proponent of a lot of the things that have happened

1322
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:21,559
Speaker 2: in recent years. Like it was ridiculous to me twenty

1323
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:26,719
Speaker 2: five years ago that a college athlete couldn't get compensated

1324
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:31,720
Speaker 2: well he or she was an active student athlete, and

1325
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 2: you are screaming into the wilderness. Now if you say

1326
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:37,600
Speaker 2: you don't think college athletes should get paid, it's like

1327
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 2: the one thing I think in life we all agree on, like, yeah,

1328
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:42,880
Speaker 2: you know what, the way we were doing things wasn't fair. Yes,

1329
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:47,880
Speaker 2: they should be able to make money. Great, awesome, And

1330
01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:49,880
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody wants to go back to the

1331
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 2: way we used to do things. As it relates to transfers,

1332
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 2: where you know, if a coach left, you were stuck

1333
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:57,679
Speaker 2: at the school that you were at, or the coach

1334
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:01,720
Speaker 2: could you know, absolutely keep you from transferring and you

1335
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:04,439
Speaker 2: had to sit out a year if you transferred the

1336
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:06,040
Speaker 2: first time. I don't think anybody wants to go back

1337
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:11,439
Speaker 2: to those days. But where we are now is it's

1338
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:14,000
Speaker 2: not as fun. I just put it that way. It's

1339
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:19,120
Speaker 2: not as fun. It doesn't feel sustainable, And like, I

1340
01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:21,719
Speaker 2: don't subscribe to the belief the college football is dying

1341
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:23,559
Speaker 2: because I look at the TV ratings and I see

1342
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:25,680
Speaker 2: how full the stadiums are, how those bowl games that

1343
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:28,759
Speaker 2: don't matter anymore ten percent increase this year aud ESPN

1344
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:36,240
Speaker 2: folks watched the Liberty Bowl. But being a sports fan

1345
01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:39,439
Speaker 2: is supposed to be fun, and the fun part is

1346
01:18:39,479 --> 01:18:42,840
Speaker 2: having a connection to the people you're rooting for. It's

1347
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:46,040
Speaker 2: harder and harder to have that. And I too, I

1348
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:48,120
Speaker 2: you know, talk to enough folks who are like, you

1349
01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:50,559
Speaker 2: know what, I don't care as much. I might still

1350
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:53,720
Speaker 2: watch the games, but I'm not as invested because it's

1351
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:57,360
Speaker 2: hard to be invested in a team where the entire

1352
01:18:57,479 --> 01:19:01,160
Speaker 2: rosters knew every year. One of the fun things about

1353
01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:03,040
Speaker 2: being a college sports fan, and yes there have been

1354
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:05,719
Speaker 2: one and dons the there have been you know, players

1355
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:08,479
Speaker 2: who have stopped over and you know, use the school

1356
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:11,000
Speaker 2: to bounce to the next level. But one of the

1357
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:13,639
Speaker 2: fun things, and I'll just I'll make this about my fandom.

1358
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:18,120
Speaker 2: Lifelong UC fan has has been like you feel a connect.

1359
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:21,439
Speaker 2: You feel a connection to Tony Pike because you you

1360
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:26,759
Speaker 2: watch his career unfold the way it did. Do you

1361
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:29,479
Speaker 2: can you even imagine Tony Pike after the two thousand

1362
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:32,799
Speaker 2: and eight season, where he goes and what he gets.

1363
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:36,120
Speaker 2: He probably does not want me to mention this, but

1364
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:38,920
Speaker 2: like you, you watch these guys grow, you watch these

1365
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:41,920
Speaker 2: young women grow, you watch them evolve, you watch them

1366
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 2: you know, succeed and fail, and it's it's the fun

1367
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:49,320
Speaker 2: part of it, and you don't have that when the

1368
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:50,800
Speaker 2: athletes feel like mercenaries.

1369
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:51,200
Speaker 14: And so.

1370
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:56,160
Speaker 2: I don't know how this gets fixed without collective bargaining,

1371
01:19:57,080 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 2: but I I do think as a general rule, as

1372
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:04,880
Speaker 2: an industry, so to speak, it's it's problematic when you

1373
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:08,280
Speaker 2: have people who are wondering, like should I continue to

1374
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 2: maintain my level of interest and financial investment when I'm

1375
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:15,720
Speaker 2: not getting as much out of this as I used to.

1376
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:22,400
Speaker 2: David west Is beloved Xavier because they watched his college

1377
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:26,920
Speaker 2: basketball career unfold the way it did, and even one

1378
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 2: and done athlete, so many of those coach col guys

1379
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:34,800
Speaker 2: from the early twenty tens beloved. Yes they won, and

1380
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:38,679
Speaker 2: yes they used Kentucky as a stopover before they went

1381
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:41,759
Speaker 2: to the NBA, but there it felt like those guys

1382
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:43,719
Speaker 2: had more of a connection to the school than pretty

1383
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:45,200
Speaker 2: much any college athlete does.

1384
01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 10: Now.

1385
01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:50,040
Speaker 2: I'm a UC football fan, man, and look best of

1386
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:52,679
Speaker 2: luck to Brennan Sores b Iyob. He does great. Hobe

1387
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 2: throws five picks against the Bearcats. Other than that, I

1388
01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:58,880
Speaker 2: hoob he does great. Like every year, getting you I

1389
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 2: have forty new guys as in a new quarterback like

1390
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:05,760
Speaker 2: and you could say that at UC's level. You could

1391
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:08,519
Speaker 2: say that at Ohio State and Alabama and Notre Dames level.

1392
01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:13,839
Speaker 2: And so it's just not as fun. It's still awesome

1393
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:18,000
Speaker 2: to watch the games. I cannot wait for tonight. The

1394
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:21,479
Speaker 2: games themselves are what keep us coming back and even

1395
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:24,439
Speaker 2: in this time. Yes, there are some awesome stories like

1396
01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:27,080
Speaker 2: if Ole Miss wins the national title without their coach,

1397
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:32,559
Speaker 2: like Indiana football. But following college programs is not nearly

1398
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:36,320
Speaker 2: as fun when it doesn't feel like there's a connection

1399
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:39,080
Speaker 2: that you have with the athlete because the athlete has

1400
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:41,519
Speaker 2: one to the school or the program or the coach.

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01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:45,559
Speaker 2: UH five point three seven four nine, fifteen thirty. We

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Speaker 2: are larte, We're guess free. The rest of the one

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Speaker 2: guest today, we have open things up on ESPN fifteen thirty,

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Sports.

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01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:55,719
Speaker 3: Station, Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

1406
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Speaker 4: there is an accident. It's near Ferguson Road, Grand Avenue

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Speaker 4: and injury crash. That is north of Layman Road southbound

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Speaker 4: State Route seven forty seven at Duff Drive. Another crash.

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Speaker 4: the Western Hills Viaduct to Fort Washington Way. I'm at

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Speaker 4: eazelic with traffic.

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01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:31,200
Speaker 2: In winning streak because they played about eight good minutes

1417
01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:33,280
Speaker 2: of defense last night, which is eight more than they

1418
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:36,320
Speaker 2: have been playing for me. And Trey Young got traded

1419
01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:41,200
Speaker 2: to the Washington Wizards, the league's most overrated player.

1420
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:41,639
Speaker 5: Real quick?

1421
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:43,880
Speaker 2: Are you concerned about the Detroit Pistons Very much so?

1422
01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:48,559
Speaker 2: Because they're better. I think Detroit will win the East,

1423
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:51,439
Speaker 2: not just saying that because they beat New York badly

1424
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:53,000
Speaker 2: the other night, or because they're the ones that I

1425
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:54,800
Speaker 2: think they're gonna win. The East. Is not very good.

1426
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 2: The Knicks are atrocious defensively. Offensively, there are something to bohold.

1427
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 2: You gotta get stops against good teams to win four

1428
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:05,240
Speaker 2: in the postseason. I don't think they can get enough

1429
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:09,400
Speaker 2: against Detroit. There you go, Well, maybe somebody can not

1430
01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:11,600
Speaker 2: got Detroit for you. That'd be fine. That'd be that'd be.

1431
01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:15,320
Speaker 2: I don't know who it's gonna be. Boston's remarkably interesting

1432
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:18,040
Speaker 2: because Jalen Brown has been awesome. They're gonna get Tatum back.

1433
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:22,280
Speaker 2: We'll see how that works out. But yeah, man, look,

1434
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:28,080
Speaker 2: Detroit legitimately should have won. They they got a pretty

1435
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:30,479
Speaker 2: friendly whistling Game three last year, and they should have

1436
01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:34,360
Speaker 2: won Game six against New York Brunson. Brunson put Detroit

1437
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:37,080
Speaker 2: to bed that night, but they were this close to

1438
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 2: beating New York and just took him behind the woodshed

1439
01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:43,759
Speaker 2: on Monday night. How are we on time right now? Tarren?

1440
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:47,880
Speaker 2: I got about three minutes? Three minutes. It's a lot

1441
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 2: easier to produce the show when we we just I

1442
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 2: haven't gobbed it up with guests right a little bit. Uh,

1443
01:23:57,360 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 2: let's see who we have, Phil, Phil, you're on ESPN

1444
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:02,439
Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. Feel I got like two minutes. What's up?

1445
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:02,639
Speaker 14: Man?

1446
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:06,120
Speaker 2: How are you that wonderful yourself?

1447
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 15: I'm doing good? Two things for you. Dan Pilcher still

1448
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:14,640
Speaker 15: the offensive coordinator that doesn't call plays in Cincinnati.

1449
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:17,200
Speaker 2: Dan Pitcher, Yes, although I guess he's gonna interview to

1450
01:24:17,240 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 2: be the Brown said coach.

1451
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:20,719
Speaker 11: Wow.

1452
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:24,280
Speaker 15: Yeah, Well, if for some reason to Brown select him,

1453
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:27,880
Speaker 15: Kim can Can. I'm praying that Mike Brown has the

1454
01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:30,280
Speaker 15: sense to just just let Joe Burrow call.

1455
01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:31,920
Speaker 14: The offense.

1456
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:34,120
Speaker 5: Because he's he's.

1457
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:36,920
Speaker 15: Got a much better grasp of it than Zach Taylor does,

1458
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:38,800
Speaker 15: and then he can just then Mike can be the

1459
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:42,640
Speaker 15: adult in the rooms in Zach, I pay you to

1460
01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 15: be the head coach. And I know you want to

1461
01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:45,840
Speaker 15: call plays, but that's my dad used to.

1462
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 5: Say to me.

1463
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:49,800
Speaker 15: You can want in one hand grabbing the other to

1464
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:51,640
Speaker 15: see which one fills up the fastest.

1465
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:53,160
Speaker 5: That So that's that.

1466
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:59,040
Speaker 15: And number two, you talked about your litmus test for

1467
01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:04,640
Speaker 15: Duke Tobin. Yeah, like, like, show showed me some extensions.

1468
01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:06,240
Speaker 15: Show me Dalton wrist are in the camp.

1469
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:10,160
Speaker 11: You know what I would love.

1470
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 15: There's a guy named Max Crosby plays for a team

1471
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:17,040
Speaker 15: that has nothing else but Max Crosby that has the

1472
01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:21,080
Speaker 15: first pick in the draft, Kevin the tenth for Max.

1473
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:23,880
Speaker 15: Because let's face it, outside of picking in the top five,

1474
01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 15: our've cracked history on first round.

1475
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:27,880
Speaker 11: Picks ain't good.

1476
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:33,920
Speaker 2: What do you do you trade a pick just because

1477
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:35,559
Speaker 2: you're not good at evaluating talent?

1478
01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:37,920
Speaker 11: Uh?

1479
01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:43,200
Speaker 15: With the Bengals, guess absolutely, because look, because if you

1480
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:45,960
Speaker 15: can't evaluate talent, you can at least go get proven talent.

1481
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:49,560
Speaker 15: Max Crosse's pretty proven, and that would definitely solve the

1482
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:52,400
Speaker 15: need on the defense. And tell me Oakland wouldn't do it,

1483
01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 15: because now all of a sudden, not only can you

1484
01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:57,040
Speaker 15: get Banana Mendoza, but you can go ahead and either

1485
01:25:57,120 --> 01:26:00,760
Speaker 15: draft his his left tackle, or you can draft this

1486
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:03,439
Speaker 15: number one receiver in the first round. So I think

1487
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:06,680
Speaker 15: Oakland would fight well, sounds.

1488
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:11,320
Speaker 2: Good, Yeah, maybe they would Max CROs Max Crosby is terrific.

1489
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:14,400
Speaker 2: He's not yet thirty years old. Uh just had surgery

1490
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:17,360
Speaker 2: I think yesterday. That is not expected to be something

1491
01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:19,759
Speaker 2: that's going to get in the way. I would wonder

1492
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:22,720
Speaker 2: what else the Raiders would want. Maybe nothing, because the

1493
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:28,160
Speaker 2: tenth overall pick is pretty valuable. With the tenth overall pick,

1494
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:31,120
Speaker 2: I can get a player who isn't going to cost

1495
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:33,479
Speaker 2: that much for the next four to five years, versus

1496
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:36,479
Speaker 2: Max Crosby in his contract, which may be prohibitive to

1497
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:38,720
Speaker 2: making the rest of the defense better. And now I

1498
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:41,559
Speaker 2: don't have the tenth overall pick, but that would certainly

1499
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:44,600
Speaker 2: represent the sort of move that is the antithesis of

1500
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:46,759
Speaker 2: what you expect from the Bengals, and that in itself

1501
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:47,599
Speaker 2: would be refreshing.

1502
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 10: Yeah.

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01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:52,120
Speaker 16: And I mean they've got seventy seven million, he's making

1504
01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:53,759
Speaker 16: what twenty seven they's still got dissy.

1505
01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:57,280
Speaker 15: They're not broke, No, like.

1506
01:26:57,240 --> 01:27:01,720
Speaker 2: No, they're they're they're not broke. I you know you

1507
01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:04,400
Speaker 2: have me thinking, You have me thinking, Phil, I gotta.

1508
01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:07,160
Speaker 15: Run Oa Cow. I've got you think.

1509
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:10,720
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, I gotta hang out Scary five o'clock on

1510
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:12,920
Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

1511
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:19,320
Speaker 3: Everything in between.

1512
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:24,439
Speaker 1: We've got the Bengals off season covered on ESPN fifteen thirty,

1513
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:27,439
Speaker 1: the official home of the Bengals.

1514
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:30,519
Speaker 2: Show Do, including the Big, the Big press conference tomorrow,

1515
01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:42,720
Speaker 2: the most highly anticipated press conference of all time. I

1516
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:44,840
Speaker 2: I can get a guess. Nobody walks away from the

1517
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:48,360
Speaker 2: press conference angry. I think most probably tomorrow are gonna

1518
01:27:48,360 --> 01:27:51,840
Speaker 2: walk away from the press conference shrugging their shoulders. I'm

1519
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:58,000
Speaker 2: gonna guess if you are as dismayed as most of

1520
01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:01,519
Speaker 2: us are about the way the season unfolded, and as

1521
01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:05,120
Speaker 2: skeptical as most of us are about whether or not

1522
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:08,719
Speaker 2: the Bengals as currently constructed can get this thing turned around,

1523
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 2: and if you are as skeptical as most are, myself

1524
01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:16,519
Speaker 2: included that Duke Tobin can get this fixed. I would

1525
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:20,720
Speaker 2: be willing to bet that there is almost nothing that

1526
01:28:20,760 --> 01:28:24,920
Speaker 2: can happen tomorrow that's gonna change your opinion, that's gonna

1527
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:27,400
Speaker 2: change your perspective, or that's just gonna make you feel good.

1528
01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:30,840
Speaker 2: Like I do not know that there's anything that Duke

1529
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:34,439
Speaker 2: Tobin can say tomorrow. As interesting as it is that

1530
01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:37,840
Speaker 2: he's going to talk, and is as different as it is,

1531
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:41,040
Speaker 2: it's refreshing to a degree because it's different that you're

1532
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:45,800
Speaker 2: gonna hear Duke talk tomorrow, I cannot imagine there's anything

1533
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:49,200
Speaker 2: he says tomorrow that is legitimately gonna make people feel

1534
01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:54,679
Speaker 2: good or make people feel like, yes, go get him, Duke,

1535
01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:57,400
Speaker 2: we will see You can hear it live tomorrow on

1536
01:28:57,640 --> 01:29:00,760
Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty on Moeger. This is ESPN fifteen thirty.

1537
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:04,920
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for listening. We've kind of juggled a

1538
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:07,400
Speaker 2: lot of different balls today, talking a little bit about

1539
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:10,720
Speaker 2: Duke and the Bengals and you know what's next. I

1540
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:12,720
Speaker 2: was talking with the caller before the top of the

1541
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:15,799
Speaker 2: hour about making your layups. I don't expect the Bengals

1542
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:18,840
Speaker 2: to trade the tenth overall pick for Max Crosby. How

1543
01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:22,000
Speaker 2: much he's going to be on the trade market, I

1544
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:27,560
Speaker 2: don't know. Caleb Downs, and man, we have three and

1545
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:30,840
Speaker 2: a half months to talk about this and talk about

1546
01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:34,920
Speaker 2: draft possibilities. There hasn't been a safety that's gone in

1547
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:39,439
Speaker 2: the first round since twenty seventeen. There's reasons for that.

1548
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:46,719
Speaker 2: Caleb Downs is by most evaluators whose work that I value,

1549
01:29:48,120 --> 01:29:53,160
Speaker 2: who I think, by their own admission, haven't completely constructed

1550
01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:58,000
Speaker 2: their draft boards and mock drafts and all that. But

1551
01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:00,519
Speaker 2: most that I have seen have said, this is a

1552
01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:03,559
Speaker 2: top three to five player in this draft. Fills an

1553
01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:06,800
Speaker 2: obvious need. And by the way, you know, if you're

1554
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:08,920
Speaker 2: on the Caleb Downs bandwagon, you should be on the

1555
01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:11,719
Speaker 2: bandwagon regardless of which school he went to. But yes,

1556
01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:14,000
Speaker 2: sign me up for that. The lamb for me is

1557
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:17,400
Speaker 2: the Dalton Riisner thing. And I know I've I've talked

1558
01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:20,200
Speaker 2: about this a little bit, talked about it at great

1559
01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:24,880
Speaker 2: length on Paul Danner Junior's podcast. What Duke Tobin has

1560
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:27,640
Speaker 2: in front of him this offseason is it's easy to

1561
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:30,400
Speaker 2: identify the problems right by the way. A lot of

1562
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:32,880
Speaker 2: things in life are the college sports thing, it's easy

1563
01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:36,080
Speaker 2: to identify the problems. I haven't heard a lot of

1564
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:40,480
Speaker 2: great solutions. So you and I can identify the Bengals problems.

1565
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:45,599
Speaker 2: Anybody can can Doke Tobin fix them. What he has

1566
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:48,879
Speaker 2: in front of him is hard. In one off season,

1567
01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:52,719
Speaker 2: he's got to take a team that finished with six

1568
01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:57,439
Speaker 2: wins and turn it back into a Super Bowl championship contender.

1569
01:30:57,640 --> 01:30:59,200
Speaker 2: And by the way, if that's not what we're aiming

1570
01:30:59,240 --> 01:31:01,439
Speaker 2: for here, then what's what's the point of all this? Right?

1571
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:04,360
Speaker 2: He's he's got to get Joe Burrow at a better

1572
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:09,280
Speaker 2: place mentally and emotionally. There's a lot there. There's a

1573
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:14,479
Speaker 2: lot to do, so there's some tough decisions, probably some

1574
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:20,040
Speaker 2: tough negotiations. The Dalton Reisner thing, like, I can't think

1575
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:22,639
Speaker 2: of many examples like this, and maybe I'm missing one

1576
01:31:22,680 --> 01:31:26,880
Speaker 2: that's obvious. The Bengals for years have been looking for

1577
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:30,479
Speaker 2: better guard play. Dalton Reisner might not have performed at

1578
01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:33,040
Speaker 2: an all pro level. And if you want to tell

1579
01:31:33,040 --> 01:31:35,559
Speaker 2: me they're not going to sign Dalton Reisner because they're

1580
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:41,320
Speaker 2: gonna go get a guard who's an all pro, okay, fine,

1581
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:47,599
Speaker 2: but at what expense? Dalton Reisner is a player who

1582
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:51,439
Speaker 2: played well enough to represent an upgrade at a position

1583
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:54,639
Speaker 2: that they have been looking to phil for a while.

1584
01:31:55,800 --> 01:32:00,600
Speaker 2: As the season ended, he talked extensively, in a effusively

1585
01:32:01,240 --> 01:32:05,240
Speaker 2: about wanting to stay here. His cap number last season

1586
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:08,400
Speaker 2: was like one point three million bucks. I'm sure he'll

1587
01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:12,439
Speaker 2: get a raise. He has talked about don't let it

1588
01:32:12,479 --> 01:32:16,800
Speaker 2: get to March when free agency gets here, Like if

1589
01:32:16,840 --> 01:32:20,400
Speaker 2: you can't do this, why should I trust you with

1590
01:32:20,479 --> 01:32:28,559
Speaker 2: anything else? This is easy? Like this is you take

1591
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:31,080
Speaker 2: the driver's test. You got a lot of tough things

1592
01:32:31,080 --> 01:32:35,240
Speaker 2: to do, and not knowing how to turn on the car, Like,

1593
01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:39,439
Speaker 2: come on, Duke. So you know we've talked about making

1594
01:32:39,479 --> 01:32:45,000
Speaker 2: your layups. This is a layup. A franchise where we

1595
01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:49,519
Speaker 2: are wondering is the face of it ultimately going to

1596
01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:52,360
Speaker 2: decide that he doesn't want to play here. You got

1597
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:56,080
Speaker 2: a dude who's like, yeah, I want to play here.

1598
01:32:56,160 --> 01:32:59,519
Speaker 2: I want to keep playing here. A franchise with a

1599
01:32:59,680 --> 01:33:03,760
Speaker 2: length the history of players doing everything they can to

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01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:10,080
Speaker 2: not play here, asking for trades, threatening retirement. The Cincinnati

1601
01:33:10,120 --> 01:33:15,280
Speaker 2: Bengals at times viewed by outsiders as the NFL Siberia,

1602
01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:19,840
Speaker 2: the place where careers go to die. Here you have

1603
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:23,919
Speaker 2: a player who's like, yeah, i'll play for the Bengals.

1604
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:34,519
Speaker 2: I'll play here. Frankly, the deal should already be done. Like, Duke,

1605
01:33:34,760 --> 01:33:39,439
Speaker 2: if you screw this up, quit like that sounds harsh.

1606
01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:43,320
Speaker 2: But if you can't do this, then all right, Suddenly

1607
01:33:43,320 --> 01:33:46,160
Speaker 2: you're gonna uncover some gems in round five. They're gonna

1608
01:33:46,160 --> 01:33:49,000
Speaker 2: help the Bengals win a title. Next year, you're gonna

1609
01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:52,200
Speaker 2: navigate free agency and find a whole bunch of players

1610
01:33:52,240 --> 01:33:57,280
Speaker 2: to come in and be upgrades on defense. So yeah, man,

1611
01:33:57,360 --> 01:34:02,599
Speaker 2: that is a very early season test for Duke as

1612
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:06,320
Speaker 2: far as I'm concerned. Five one, three, seven four nine,

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01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:09,080
Speaker 2: fifteen thirty and eight sixty six seven oh two three

1614
01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:14,839
Speaker 2: seven seven six Ron in Milford. You're on ESPN fifteen

1615
01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:16,720
Speaker 2: thirty Ron, Good afternoon, How are you?

1616
01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:18,639
Speaker 13: I am?

1617
01:34:18,680 --> 01:34:19,800
Speaker 11: Okay, I can't wait.

1618
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:23,040
Speaker 16: Do you have your notes prepared, Director of Common Sense

1619
01:34:23,080 --> 01:34:24,599
Speaker 16: for your press conference tomorrow?

1620
01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:27,880
Speaker 2: I do, I do. It's they're ready to go. But

1621
01:34:28,040 --> 01:34:29,840
Speaker 2: part of my part of my deal to be the

1622
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:31,680
Speaker 2: Director of Common Sense is I never have to have

1623
01:34:31,720 --> 01:34:32,439
Speaker 2: a press conference.

1624
01:34:34,200 --> 01:34:35,760
Speaker 16: Oh that's that's probably good.

1625
01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:37,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that's probably good.

1626
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:39,559
Speaker 16: You don't want you don't want to be too too

1627
01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:43,000
Speaker 16: out there. I mean, Duke Tobin, I mean, you don't

1628
01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:45,960
Speaker 16: want to be pressed by the fans or by the media.

1629
01:34:46,040 --> 01:34:50,400
Speaker 2: Like like everybody else, Like everybody else, Zach Taylor is

1630
01:34:50,439 --> 01:34:52,280
Speaker 2: going to have to answer questions for things that he's

1631
01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:53,400
Speaker 2: not really responsible for.

1632
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:57,240
Speaker 16: Well right, and you know then Paul might have the

1633
01:34:57,280 --> 01:34:58,759
Speaker 16: press yet and you you wouldn't want.

1634
01:34:58,640 --> 01:35:01,400
Speaker 14: To danger that relationship, correct, exactly.

1635
01:35:01,640 --> 01:35:04,280
Speaker 16: We gotta worry about that. But I had a couple

1636
01:35:04,360 --> 01:35:07,040
Speaker 16: other I had a couple of points here, mo one,

1637
01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:10,920
Speaker 16: I don't know. Actually, you know, I feel like the

1638
01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:14,479
Speaker 16: days when athletes weren't paid I was okay with because

1639
01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:17,240
Speaker 16: they're I mean, they're still getting a scholarship now, even

1640
01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:19,800
Speaker 16: though when they're getting paid. So I mean, I had

1641
01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:23,439
Speaker 16: to work to put myselfself through college. I imagine you

1642
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:24,719
Speaker 16: probably had to as well.

1643
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:28,280
Speaker 5: So I mean, but.

1644
01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:29,760
Speaker 16: I do agree with you in the fact that I

1645
01:35:29,800 --> 01:35:33,440
Speaker 16: hate the fact that we watch whether it's football or basketball,

1646
01:35:33,640 --> 01:35:34,479
Speaker 16: and we got a guy.

1647
01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:36,040
Speaker 14: That's on his third team in four years.

1648
01:35:36,040 --> 01:35:37,000
Speaker 10: Do we really need that?

1649
01:35:37,080 --> 01:35:37,120
Speaker 14: Mo?

1650
01:35:38,520 --> 01:35:43,840
Speaker 2: I mean, no, we don't need it. I we don't

1651
01:35:43,880 --> 01:35:44,240
Speaker 2: need it.

1652
01:35:44,840 --> 01:35:48,280
Speaker 10: We it's it makes it hard to invest yourself.

1653
01:35:48,320 --> 01:35:50,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does. That's that's the right way to put it. Now,

1654
01:35:51,400 --> 01:35:53,720
Speaker 2: you know you brought up well, they still get scholarships

1655
01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:55,800
Speaker 2: and they still get a free education, and you're right.

1656
01:35:55,880 --> 01:35:59,240
Speaker 2: And and man, far being from me as somebody who

1657
01:35:59,320 --> 01:36:01,200
Speaker 2: who's spent ten ten years after he was out of

1658
01:36:01,200 --> 01:36:03,560
Speaker 2: college paying off his student loans, I am going to

1659
01:36:03,640 --> 01:36:07,720
Speaker 2: be the last person to undermine the value of a

1660
01:36:07,720 --> 01:36:11,840
Speaker 2: college education, even if you have a mostly useless communications

1661
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:16,360
Speaker 2: degree the way I do. But I think what happened here,

1662
01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:18,880
Speaker 2: and I think this is a fair way of looking

1663
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:22,840
Speaker 2: at it. Right, the things got to a point in

1664
01:36:22,840 --> 01:36:28,479
Speaker 2: college sports a long time ago where the free college

1665
01:36:28,600 --> 01:36:35,160
Speaker 2: education was no longer I think a commensurate pay relative

1666
01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:37,920
Speaker 2: to all the money that was flying around in college sports.

1667
01:36:38,600 --> 01:36:41,320
Speaker 2: So this is maybe not the best comparison. But I

1668
01:36:41,439 --> 01:36:44,040
Speaker 2: do this radio show, and I love doing it, and

1669
01:36:44,120 --> 01:36:48,400
Speaker 2: I'm paid fairly. But if all of a sudden the

1670
01:36:48,439 --> 01:36:51,000
Speaker 2: people who run this place decided what we're going to

1671
01:36:51,080 --> 01:36:54,880
Speaker 2: do is we're going to charge advertisers ten times what

1672
01:36:54,920 --> 01:36:58,000
Speaker 2: they spend to buy a commercial on this show, and

1673
01:36:58,080 --> 01:37:00,439
Speaker 2: we're going to monetize it for so much more, I

1674
01:37:00,439 --> 01:37:03,120
Speaker 2: would go all, wait a minute, I should get a

1675
01:37:03,160 --> 01:37:05,519
Speaker 2: cut of that, right, Like, suddenly what I was getting

1676
01:37:06,200 --> 01:37:08,519
Speaker 2: isn't is sort of being it sort of pales in

1677
01:37:08,520 --> 01:37:11,960
Speaker 2: comparison to the money that's being made. And so I

1678
01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:15,280
Speaker 2: think what happened in college sports is the value of

1679
01:37:15,280 --> 01:37:19,240
Speaker 2: that college scholarship relation in relation to the money that

1680
01:37:19,360 --> 01:37:22,840
Speaker 2: was being made by everybody else in college sports. It

1681
01:37:23,479 --> 01:37:28,320
Speaker 2: started to it started to not necessarily be directly fair compensation.

1682
01:37:28,400 --> 01:37:32,559
Speaker 2: I'm not putting this in the most the most eloquent way,

1683
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:33,400
Speaker 2: And so.

1684
01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:37,160
Speaker 16: You're making you're making sense mode.

1685
01:37:37,080 --> 01:37:39,760
Speaker 2: Right, Like, so you know, sixty years ago we had

1686
01:37:39,800 --> 01:37:42,559
Speaker 2: athletic scholarships, but sixty years ago we didn't have billion

1687
01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:45,519
Speaker 2: dollar TV deals, and so what the athletes were getting

1688
01:37:45,680 --> 01:37:48,639
Speaker 2: was the same, but everybody else was getting richer, right.

1689
01:37:48,680 --> 01:37:50,600
Speaker 2: I think that's probably a better, more concise way of

1690
01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:53,759
Speaker 2: putting it. So it made sense to go, you know what, Yes,

1691
01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:56,719
Speaker 2: the free education is awesome, but if all this money

1692
01:37:56,760 --> 01:37:58,680
Speaker 2: is being thrown around that wasn't being thrown around when

1693
01:37:58,720 --> 01:38:01,360
Speaker 2: we first started giving out a athletic scholarships, then the

1694
01:38:01,400 --> 01:38:03,000
Speaker 2: kids should get a chunk of that money. And that

1695
01:38:03,080 --> 01:38:05,799
Speaker 2: is happening, and that is good. But again, like with

1696
01:38:05,800 --> 01:38:09,040
Speaker 2: with the the just total lack of regulation and rules.

1697
01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:12,800
Speaker 2: Everybody wanted to see things done differently, but doing things

1698
01:38:12,840 --> 01:38:15,400
Speaker 2: differently doesn't mean there are no rules, and right now

1699
01:38:15,439 --> 01:38:17,880
Speaker 2: there are none. And I do think it is hunting.

1700
01:38:18,280 --> 01:38:20,720
Speaker 2: I do think it is hurting the emotional investment that

1701
01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:23,960
Speaker 2: people have in their teams in the sport, and that's

1702
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:26,760
Speaker 2: not healthy for the sport, whether it's college football, basketball

1703
01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:28,599
Speaker 2: or some other college sport.

1704
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:32,920
Speaker 16: MO, can you when you have your press conference. I

1705
01:38:32,960 --> 01:38:34,880
Speaker 16: don't know if you'll be talking as that too, but

1706
01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:37,280
Speaker 16: can you tell him that when it's fourth and one,

1707
01:38:37,439 --> 01:38:39,600
Speaker 16: we uh, we're not always going to be able to

1708
01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:41,880
Speaker 16: try to draw them off sides and then get a

1709
01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:44,160
Speaker 16: delay and then just go to the delay of game

1710
01:38:44,280 --> 01:38:47,120
Speaker 16: root and punt. I mean, that's just ridiculous. So when

1711
01:38:47,160 --> 01:38:49,479
Speaker 16: you're the director of common sense, please if you can

1712
01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:53,360
Speaker 16: tell him that, you know, uh, Joe going around like

1713
01:38:53,400 --> 01:38:56,320
Speaker 16: the last time, maybe he just padded the offensive linemen

1714
01:38:56,400 --> 01:38:58,479
Speaker 16: on tinies and tried to see if that would work,

1715
01:38:58,760 --> 01:39:01,480
Speaker 16: and then we punt to delay a gain and contage.

1716
01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:03,680
Speaker 16: If you're the director, when you get the job of

1717
01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:06,640
Speaker 16: director of common sense, please let him know that you

1718
01:39:06,680 --> 01:39:09,200
Speaker 16: know it's okay to go for it. I'd rather him

1719
01:39:09,200 --> 01:39:10,920
Speaker 16: be Dan Campbell, and I think a lot of fans

1720
01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:14,320
Speaker 16: would rather him be gambling Dan Campbell. Then you know,

1721
01:39:14,520 --> 01:39:16,479
Speaker 16: let's try to draw the other team off side.

1722
01:39:16,640 --> 01:39:20,360
Speaker 2: Most NFL plays gain yardage. So I'm gonna lean on

1723
01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:23,360
Speaker 2: the percentages here and instead of of when on my

1724
01:39:23,560 --> 01:39:25,760
Speaker 2: on my common sense card that I'm working with, when

1725
01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:28,280
Speaker 2: I work with Zach on the common sense card, I'm

1726
01:39:28,280 --> 01:39:30,519
Speaker 2: gonna go, Hey, fourth and one, the average NFL play

1727
01:39:30,600 --> 01:39:34,000
Speaker 2: gains yardage. The average try to draw them off sides

1728
01:39:34,040 --> 01:39:36,759
Speaker 2: with a hard count doesn't. Let's lean on what typically works.

1729
01:39:36,760 --> 01:39:38,679
Speaker 2: That'll be that'll be part of our thought process.

1730
01:39:39,880 --> 01:39:41,040
Speaker 16: I appreciate that, though.

1731
01:39:41,080 --> 01:39:44,000
Speaker 17: I mean, at least he tries the hard count out

1732
01:39:44,040 --> 01:39:46,880
Speaker 17: have been something. But to get the brown was just

1733
01:39:47,000 --> 01:39:49,640
Speaker 17: half in alignment's tinies and walking back and forth. And

1734
01:39:49,680 --> 01:39:53,080
Speaker 17: I thought, really, we clearly as fans know that we're just.

1735
01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:54,800
Speaker 16: Trying to draw them off sides, and we're not even

1736
01:39:54,840 --> 01:39:55,800
Speaker 16: doing a good job of that.

1737
01:39:56,920 --> 01:39:59,200
Speaker 2: Uh. It's well, we're gonna make it part of the

1738
01:39:59,280 --> 01:40:01,040
Speaker 2: common sense and it should have on the Bengals next

1739
01:40:01,080 --> 01:40:03,200
Speaker 2: year once I get my job. Ron. Thanks as always,

1740
01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:08,719
Speaker 2: thank you. If I owned an NFL team, which I think,

1741
01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:14,080
Speaker 2: frankly would be awesome. I would interview my coach and

1742
01:40:14,120 --> 01:40:17,120
Speaker 2: that might be my only question. How do you feel

1743
01:40:17,160 --> 01:40:20,960
Speaker 2: about trying to draw the opposing defense off sides on

1744
01:40:21,080 --> 01:40:24,600
Speaker 2: fourth and one? And if he says, actually, it's a

1745
01:40:24,640 --> 01:40:28,960
Speaker 2: strategy we like, then the interview is over. Sometimes the

1746
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:31,200
Speaker 2: interview doesn't. It doesn't have to be a four hour interview.

1747
01:40:31,280 --> 01:40:33,240
Speaker 2: Just hey, man, simply like, Hey, it's it's fourth and

1748
01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:36,519
Speaker 2: one balls at the forty third quarter three point game?

1749
01:40:37,200 --> 01:40:39,200
Speaker 2: Are we going for it? Are we punting? Or are

1750
01:40:39,200 --> 01:40:41,479
Speaker 2: you going to try to draw the opposing defense off side?

1751
01:40:41,479 --> 01:40:42,800
Speaker 2: So I was like, well, actually, I'm gonna try to

1752
01:40:42,840 --> 01:40:45,960
Speaker 2: draw the opposing Nope, sorry, good luck. Go interview with

1753
01:40:45,960 --> 01:40:51,120
Speaker 2: the Dolphins or somebody like I. I would in every

1754
01:40:51,160 --> 01:40:54,719
Speaker 2: set of circumstances, like if I if I was interviewing

1755
01:40:54,720 --> 01:40:57,640
Speaker 2: a manager of a baseball team, how do how do

1756
01:40:57,680 --> 01:41:01,519
Speaker 2: we feel about sacrifice bunts? Actually I think it's a

1757
01:41:01,520 --> 01:41:03,880
Speaker 2: pretty good strategy. Yeah, sorry, it's it's not a good

1758
01:41:03,880 --> 01:41:08,360
Speaker 2: fit here, good luck. Or if I was interviewing a

1759
01:41:08,400 --> 01:41:12,479
Speaker 2: college basketball coach, Hey, if one of your good players

1760
01:41:12,479 --> 01:41:14,280
Speaker 2: has two fouls in the first half, do you take

1761
01:41:14,360 --> 01:41:16,400
Speaker 2: him out of the game. Well, yeah, okay, well we're

1762
01:41:16,439 --> 01:41:22,920
Speaker 2: done here and along with the shovel pass, maybe hey,

1763
01:41:23,240 --> 01:41:25,080
Speaker 2: fourth and one? What do we what do we got here?

1764
01:41:25,120 --> 01:41:28,000
Speaker 2: Are we we calling a play? Or are we gonna

1765
01:41:28,040 --> 01:41:29,760
Speaker 2: come to the line of scrimmage and have a bunch

1766
01:41:29,800 --> 01:41:32,800
Speaker 2: of eye candy and the quarterback's gonna be patting everybody's butt.

1767
01:41:32,840 --> 01:41:34,479
Speaker 2: Are we just gonna snap the football and try to

1768
01:41:34,479 --> 01:41:37,439
Speaker 2: get the yard? Well, actually, you know we're gonna, We're

1769
01:41:37,439 --> 01:41:39,639
Speaker 2: gonna We're gonna try to draw them off sides. I've

1770
01:41:39,720 --> 01:41:44,559
Speaker 2: got some interesting idea up. Sorry, not interested. Next three

1771
01:41:44,560 --> 01:41:49,800
Speaker 2: basic questions for all three scenarios. One of the more

1772
01:41:49,840 --> 01:41:52,880
Speaker 2: remarkable things about that thing right there, the number of

1773
01:41:52,920 --> 01:41:55,280
Speaker 2: college basketball fans who actually think, if you got a

1774
01:41:55,280 --> 01:41:57,360
Speaker 2: player who's got two fouls in the first half, it's

1775
01:41:57,360 --> 01:42:00,360
Speaker 2: smart to take him out. I have never understood that.

1776
01:42:00,439 --> 01:42:05,920
Speaker 2: I was I was watching the nineteen ninety one NCAA

1777
01:42:06,000 --> 01:42:08,599
Speaker 2: tournament with my dad. That is the year that Duke

1778
01:42:09,400 --> 01:42:14,240
Speaker 2: upset UNLV in the semifinals and then beat Kansas. And

1779
01:42:14,280 --> 01:42:16,160
Speaker 2: I don't know why, I remember it was the nineteen

1780
01:42:16,240 --> 01:42:20,720
Speaker 2: ninety one NCAA tournament and a coach takes out his

1781
01:42:20,720 --> 01:42:23,160
Speaker 2: player with two fouls and I was thirteen years old.

1782
01:42:23,160 --> 01:42:25,439
Speaker 2: I look at my dad. I'm like, with two fouls,

1783
01:42:25,479 --> 01:42:26,360
Speaker 2: are still allowed to play?

1784
01:42:26,439 --> 01:42:26,599
Speaker 11: Right?

1785
01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:30,479
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, I would the coach take the guy out

1786
01:42:30,520 --> 01:42:32,960
Speaker 2: for like fourteen minutes? Two fouls is in five?

1787
01:42:33,080 --> 01:42:33,240
Speaker 10: Right?

1788
01:42:33,280 --> 01:42:35,719
Speaker 2: And he's like, well, you know a lot of coaches

1789
01:42:35,800 --> 01:42:38,599
Speaker 2: liked And I'm like, Dad, that's stupid. It's the dumbest

1790
01:42:38,640 --> 01:42:43,920
Speaker 2: thing I've ever heard of. There is a college basketball

1791
01:42:43,960 --> 01:42:45,680
Speaker 2: coach who used to be in town who once like

1792
01:42:46,520 --> 01:42:49,840
Speaker 2: sent me a long text about why he chose to

1793
01:42:49,880 --> 01:42:52,800
Speaker 2: take a good player out with two fouls because we

1794
01:42:52,880 --> 01:42:56,960
Speaker 2: talked about it on the air the next day, and

1795
01:42:57,040 --> 01:43:01,320
Speaker 2: I just wrote back, two fouls is in five. It

1796
01:43:01,400 --> 01:43:03,880
Speaker 2: is twenty minutes after five o'clock. Five point three seven

1797
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Speaker 2: four nine fifteen thirty is our phone number. This is

1798
01:43:06,400 --> 01:43:08,360
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Speaker 2: Just be a phone reception this today. Everybody who has

1814
01:44:06,840 --> 01:44:10,320
Speaker 2: chimed in, Jason, thank you for your patience. You're on

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty. How are you.

1816
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Speaker 10: I'm good man.

1817
01:44:13,479 --> 01:44:14,000
Speaker 5: How are you doing.

1818
01:44:14,120 --> 01:44:15,280
Speaker 2: I'm awesome. What's up?

1819
01:44:16,640 --> 01:44:21,479
Speaker 10: So? First off, your storeback Canyon hit Home because Yeah,

1820
01:44:21,600 --> 01:44:24,000
Speaker 10: I watched the same thing about you know, watching them

1821
01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:24,759
Speaker 10: grow and evolved.

1822
01:44:24,840 --> 01:44:25,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1823
01:44:25,080 --> 01:44:28,360
Speaker 10: I kind of feel the same way about des Rigor too. Yes,

1824
01:44:28,520 --> 01:44:30,120
Speaker 10: I think we saw all the same thing.

1825
01:44:30,240 --> 01:44:33,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, his first year who couldn't throw?

1826
01:44:34,120 --> 01:44:36,439
Speaker 10: Yeah, and then those days are long agoing.

1827
01:44:36,640 --> 01:44:40,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you know, it's it's fun, you know, if

1828
01:44:40,720 --> 01:44:43,839
Speaker 2: you have a and again, you know, four year players

1829
01:44:43,880 --> 01:44:47,840
Speaker 2: were becoming more and more rare, you know, ten years ago.

1830
01:44:47,960 --> 01:44:50,719
Speaker 2: But that was to me one of the really fun

1831
01:44:50,760 --> 01:44:54,559
Speaker 2: things about following a program was watching the players grow

1832
01:44:54,600 --> 01:44:57,880
Speaker 2: and evolve, and that that's not so much the case

1833
01:44:57,920 --> 01:45:03,760
Speaker 2: anymore makes it u decidedly less fun. Sorry to interrupt, ahead, No, No,

1834
01:45:03,840 --> 01:45:04,200
Speaker 2: you're good.

1835
01:45:04,320 --> 01:45:07,559
Speaker 10: I agree hundred percent. But that leads me to this.

1836
01:45:07,760 --> 01:45:12,600
Speaker 10: It's like nil, it seemed to me. And correct me

1837
01:45:12,600 --> 01:45:14,679
Speaker 10: if I'm wrong, but it seemed to me like nil

1838
01:45:15,000 --> 01:45:19,960
Speaker 10: was like, obviously, nay moves your likeness, like getting money

1839
01:45:19,960 --> 01:45:24,439
Speaker 10: off your jerseys, getting money off of you know, doing

1840
01:45:24,439 --> 01:45:27,400
Speaker 10: a crappy car dealership commercial.

1841
01:45:27,640 --> 01:45:31,360
Speaker 2: Or dealers and commercial we're a good card.

1842
01:45:31,680 --> 01:45:35,719
Speaker 10: Exactly, or on a billboard, you know, promoting your program.

1843
01:45:36,320 --> 01:45:40,800
Speaker 10: That's what it seemed to start off as and was

1844
01:45:41,080 --> 01:45:45,839
Speaker 10: intended to be. Now it's just pay to play. None

1845
01:45:45,920 --> 01:45:49,439
Speaker 10: of that cares. These players aren't going to get you know,

1846
01:45:49,520 --> 01:45:51,559
Speaker 10: they don't care about getting five hundred bucks for doing

1847
01:45:51,600 --> 01:45:55,719
Speaker 10: a very good car dealership comercial. They don't care because

1848
01:45:55,720 --> 01:45:58,040
Speaker 10: they're getting three and a half four five million dollars,

1849
01:45:58,400 --> 01:46:02,120
Speaker 10: you know, to play for somebody else. And on top

1850
01:46:02,160 --> 01:46:09,120
Speaker 10: of that, who would buy a college player's jersey. Why

1851
01:46:09,160 --> 01:46:11,679
Speaker 10: would anybody spend one hundred and undred and fifty bucks

1852
01:46:11,680 --> 01:46:14,760
Speaker 10: on a jersey? Yeah for somebody that you have no

1853
01:46:14,840 --> 01:46:16,519
Speaker 10: idea if he's going to be there next year.

1854
01:46:17,400 --> 01:46:20,320
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure there are some who would. I I

1855
01:46:20,600 --> 01:46:23,759
Speaker 2: the the issue for me isn't what Nil turned into.

1856
01:46:24,120 --> 01:46:29,160
Speaker 2: It's it's it's the inability to enforce agreements. It's the

1857
01:46:29,439 --> 01:46:32,120
Speaker 2: it's the you know, I watched. I'm trying to remember

1858
01:46:32,120 --> 01:46:33,799
Speaker 2: who it was, but I watched. It was my Gundy.

1859
01:46:33,800 --> 01:46:36,120
Speaker 2: And I'm not the world's biggest big as Mike Gundy fan.

1860
01:46:36,160 --> 01:46:38,720
Speaker 2: But when he was still at Oklahoma State this past offseason,

1861
01:46:39,240 --> 01:46:42,160
Speaker 2: it might have been two off seasons ago, he did

1862
01:46:42,160 --> 01:46:44,040
Speaker 2: an interview where he talked about it was the start

1863
01:46:44,040 --> 01:46:46,679
Speaker 2: of fall camp and I'm paraphrasing him here, but he's like, look,

1864
01:46:47,040 --> 01:46:48,880
Speaker 2: it's time to get ready for the season. I can't

1865
01:46:48,880 --> 01:46:51,240
Speaker 2: talk Nil anymore. And he made reference to the fact

1866
01:46:51,280 --> 01:46:53,760
Speaker 2: that players who had agreed to come play for him

1867
01:46:53,800 --> 01:46:55,519
Speaker 2: were coming back to him going, Hey, I know I

1868
01:46:55,600 --> 01:46:58,519
Speaker 2: agreed to play for this, but I need more money,

1869
01:46:59,040 --> 01:47:01,400
Speaker 2: h Or I know I agreed to play for you

1870
01:47:01,439 --> 01:47:04,280
Speaker 2: for this, but I think I can go play somewhere else.

1871
01:47:04,280 --> 01:47:06,200
Speaker 2: And at some point, like the coach is trying to

1872
01:47:06,240 --> 01:47:08,360
Speaker 2: get ready for a season, coach is trying to do

1873
01:47:08,439 --> 01:47:11,400
Speaker 2: his or in some cases obviously her job. And so

1874
01:47:11,520 --> 01:47:14,759
Speaker 2: the fact that there's you know, again, I want everybody

1875
01:47:14,760 --> 01:47:18,439
Speaker 2: to get every dollar they possibly can, but I could

1876
01:47:18,600 --> 01:47:24,840
Speaker 2: absolutely understand anybody's exhaustion with the inability to lock certain

1877
01:47:24,880 --> 01:47:28,519
Speaker 2: athletes down to play for a program once you've agreed

1878
01:47:28,560 --> 01:47:31,519
Speaker 2: to financial terms. Look at the situation involving the quarterback

1879
01:47:31,520 --> 01:47:34,760
Speaker 2: at Washington who literally signed a contract and then enters

1880
01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:38,120
Speaker 2: the portal, like, come on and again, man, I am

1881
01:47:38,160 --> 01:47:40,960
Speaker 2: as progressive as it comes when it comes to things

1882
01:47:41,000 --> 01:47:43,640
Speaker 2: like player movement and the dudes getting paid. But just

1883
01:47:43,720 --> 01:47:46,400
Speaker 2: signed a deal. You signed a deal, and yet there's

1884
01:47:46,439 --> 01:47:49,360
Speaker 2: pretty much seemingly nothing that can be done to enforce

1885
01:47:49,640 --> 01:47:50,400
Speaker 2: the deal that was.

1886
01:47:50,360 --> 01:47:55,599
Speaker 10: Signed, right, And but you know, I guess I'm probably

1887
01:47:55,640 --> 01:47:59,120
Speaker 10: looking at it from more of a fan perspective, sure

1888
01:48:00,040 --> 01:48:03,439
Speaker 10: player perspective, and maybe that's wrong, but you know, I

1889
01:48:03,840 --> 01:48:06,479
Speaker 10: want to be invested in these teams. I want to

1890
01:48:06,640 --> 01:48:08,680
Speaker 10: like these guys. I want to know these guys. I

1891
01:48:08,720 --> 01:48:11,280
Speaker 10: want to I'd love to see these guys on crappy

1892
01:48:11,280 --> 01:48:17,120
Speaker 10: car commercials, you know, but it's just it's that's that's

1893
01:48:17,160 --> 01:48:18,479
Speaker 10: not the direction we're going.

1894
01:48:18,800 --> 01:48:21,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's not the direction we're in. And I

1895
01:48:21,040 --> 01:48:22,840
Speaker 2: don't know, Jason, Thanks very much.

1896
01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:23,559
Speaker 10: I don't.

1897
01:48:24,680 --> 01:48:30,120
Speaker 2: I don't know how the pendulum swings back. And I

1898
01:48:30,160 --> 01:48:32,439
Speaker 2: do believe that a lot of folks, not you. I

1899
01:48:32,840 --> 01:48:35,120
Speaker 2: do believe that there are a lot of folks who

1900
01:48:35,200 --> 01:48:39,559
Speaker 2: who talk about things like nil an anthlete compensation, and

1901
01:48:39,600 --> 01:48:43,120
Speaker 2: they do it from a place of jealousy because I

1902
01:48:43,120 --> 01:48:46,360
Speaker 2: think people talk about pro athletes the same way. That's

1903
01:48:46,720 --> 01:48:50,840
Speaker 2: not where I'm coming from. Dude, I cannot tell you

1904
01:48:51,120 --> 01:48:55,040
Speaker 2: how much in life I want everybody to get paid.

1905
01:48:55,479 --> 01:48:58,200
Speaker 2: I want to get paid. I want everybody to get paid.

1906
01:48:59,240 --> 01:49:03,760
Speaker 2: But it seems to me that there should be a

1907
01:49:03,760 --> 01:49:08,360
Speaker 2: way where dudes can get theirs but also enable the

1908
01:49:08,400 --> 01:49:10,880
Speaker 2: fan to establish a connection with them because they have

1909
01:49:10,960 --> 01:49:15,599
Speaker 2: a connection with the sport or with the program. And

1910
01:49:16,640 --> 01:49:19,520
Speaker 2: I think that's made the experience less enjoyable the experience.

1911
01:49:19,640 --> 01:49:22,680
Speaker 2: I think the experience of watching college football games is

1912
01:49:22,720 --> 01:49:27,800
Speaker 2: still awesome. You know. My default answer whenever I hear

1913
01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:31,760
Speaker 2: people talk about different issues that plague sports, whether they

1914
01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:35,280
Speaker 2: be sports as a whole or individual sports or leagues is.

1915
01:49:35,520 --> 01:49:38,120
Speaker 2: My response is, yeah, but the games are so good.

1916
01:49:38,479 --> 01:49:41,640
Speaker 2: What keeps me coming back are the games. The experience

1917
01:49:41,640 --> 01:49:47,280
Speaker 2: of watching a college football or college basketball game is awesome, awesome.

1918
01:49:48,960 --> 01:49:52,479
Speaker 2: Like I watched like seven different college basketball games last night.

1919
01:49:52,520 --> 01:49:57,400
Speaker 2: I was a blast. Watching games is still great. Going

1920
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Speaker 2: to games is still terrific. What is not as fun

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Speaker 2: is following a program and following a program and having

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Speaker 2: an attachment to it. And I could use UC as

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Speaker 2: an example, but if you're a college basketball or football fan,

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Speaker 2: you could use your favorite program. What is made being

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Speaker 2: a UC fan so much fun for such a long

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Speaker 2: time is Yes, for the most part, the teams have

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Speaker 2: been pretty good. But as a fan, you developed a

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Speaker 2: fan athlete relationship with players. The continuity they had with

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Speaker 2: head coach at basketball specifically certainly helped that. Right, two

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Speaker 2: guys for basically thirty years, But like you developed a

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Speaker 2: as corny as it sounds, you developed a relationship with

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Speaker 2: players who came through the program, even the two year

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Speaker 2: juco guys, right, it felt like they were part of

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Speaker 2: the university community. They were really you know, attached to

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Speaker 2: the program, really wrapped their arms around the program that

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Speaker 2: you loved, and so you became such fans of them,

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Speaker 2: and I just I think that's missing. I think that's missing,

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Speaker 2: and I think the fact that that is missing has

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Speaker 2: made the experience of rooting for a program decidedly less enjoyable.

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Speaker 2: And maybe that, just maybe that sounds like an old

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Speaker 2: guy whining about things. I don't know, but I would

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Speaker 2: be willing to bet most college fans agree with me.

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Speaker 2: You know, watching Desmond Ridder, like Des Ridder, I never

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Speaker 2: thought was an NFL quarterback. Never. I never thought it.

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Speaker 2: Never thought he was an NFL starting quarterback. And I've

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Speaker 2: been right about that. And that's not me patting myself

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Speaker 2: on the back, but I love him as like one

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Speaker 2: of my all time favorite athletes. First of all, just

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Speaker 2: grade a dude. Secondly watching him grow and evolve and yeah,

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Speaker 2: four year guy, but like watching him take the field

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Speaker 2: in the Rose Bowl against UCLA and looking like he

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Speaker 2: might be in over his head and then getting to

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Speaker 2: the point where he's the offensive player of the year

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Speaker 2: in his conference, and then the next year he's a

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Speaker 2: starting quarterback of an undefeated top four team and a

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Speaker 2: guy who goes to the NFL. That is exponentially infinitely

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Speaker 2: more enjoyable than well, we got Brandon Soresby until somebody

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01:52:18,760 --> 01:52:20,800
Speaker 2: can pay him more. And now we're getting another guy

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Speaker 2: named J. C. French that I've got to get to

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Speaker 2: know and if I don't even know if he has

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Speaker 2: any eligibility left, but if he leaves, then he's I mean,

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Speaker 2: like it's just there's always been some roster churn. There

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Speaker 2: have always been players who have stopped over. There have

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Speaker 2: always been transfers, like that's not gonna go away. But

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Speaker 2: like you see, had Ben Mauk for a year in

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Speaker 2: two thousand and seven. Love Ben Mak, right, love Ben Mak.

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Speaker 2: But the the experience that I could use Des Rider,

1968
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Speaker 2: I could use Kenyan Martin, I can use Trayvon Blewett

1969
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Speaker 2: for Xavier. I mean, every program has those guys that

1970
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Speaker 2: you just you follow their careers lives and you talk

1971
01:53:01,640 --> 01:53:05,639
Speaker 2: about them for years after they're done because you enjoyed

1972
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Speaker 2: watching them grow up, watching them evolve, and watching them

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Speaker 2: get better, and watching them fail and then bounce back

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Speaker 2: from failure and watching them become a part of the community.

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Speaker 2: The experience isn't the same with Mustapha Chom. And that's

1976
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Speaker 2: nothing against Mustapha cham or brendan Swersby or again pick

1977
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Speaker 2: a player at your favorite institution, just not the same.

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Speaker 2: It's not as fun. Twenty six from six. This is

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Speaker 2: entertaining phone call throughout the course of the day. Hopefully

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Speaker 2: that continues. Let's see here, Rich Rich you are on

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty. Thanks for hanging on. What's up? Hey,

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Speaker 2: thanks for taking my call. Sure, So I'd like to.

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Speaker 7: Weigh in on the nil thing.

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Speaker 10: Go for it.

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Speaker 7: So let's start with the premise. I think we can

2009
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Speaker 7: all agree that the players to get paid something.

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Speaker 2: I think that's that's a given.

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Speaker 7: I guess the issue I have is that the money

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Speaker 7: they're being paid now is really not coming from the

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Speaker 7: additional money the colleges are getting from bigger TV contracts,

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Speaker 7: things like that.

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Speaker 2: Where the money.

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Speaker 7: Now is coming from is it's coming from the fans.

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Speaker 7: So I mean you used your example of Hey, if

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Speaker 7: your company started charging ten times more for ads and

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Speaker 7: then you didn't share in the wealth from your company,

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Speaker 7: that would bother you.

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Speaker 2: And I get that.

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Speaker 7: But at the same time, if we're the athletes are

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Speaker 7: really not just sharing in the wealth from the additional

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Speaker 7: money that comes from you know, like I said, the contracts,

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Speaker 7: the NCAA tournament appearances, and that it's gone way beyond that.

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Speaker 7: And I went back, I looked at some stats in

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Speaker 7: twenty twenty two that was kind of the last year

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Speaker 7: before you really got into ridiculous nil you know, contracts

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Speaker 7: like we have now or money that we have now.

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Speaker 7: D one colleges, sixty percent of them athletic departments were

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Speaker 7: in the black, forty percent of them were.

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Speaker 10: In the red.

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Speaker 7: So you got a significant portion of schools that are

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Speaker 7: not making money even in those big TV contract eras.

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Speaker 7: So I think there's a little bit of a misnomer

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Speaker 7: that you know, the schools are making all this money,

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Speaker 7: because many of those schools have to take that money

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Speaker 7: and funnel it into all the other sports programs that

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Speaker 7: make zero money for them.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 7: So, and I would also argue in this new era

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Speaker 7: of expanded conferences where you have UCLA now possibly going

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Speaker 7: to Rutgers, and you're trying to do that with women's

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Speaker 7: soccer and you know, women's volleyball, men's volleyball, whatever it is,

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Speaker 7: you know, but not basketball or football. That costs a

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Speaker 7: lot of money, So I don't I think there's this

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Speaker 7: mis memory that the schools were just pocketing all this money. Now,

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Speaker 7: maybe in Ohio State or an Albama some of these biggs, Yes,

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Speaker 7: they are exceptions, but I don't think that's the reality

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Speaker 7: of things. So and I guess the last point I

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Speaker 7: want to make is that you said you're not sure

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Speaker 7: what's going to swing the pendulum back. I think one

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Speaker 7: thing that might do that. I've been a season ticket

2054
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Speaker 7: holder for Xavier since nineteen ninety five, so I'm thirty

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Speaker 7: years in right now, and I'm on a two year plan.

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Speaker 7: I knew this year was a throwaway year Patino coming

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Speaker 7: in to rebuild an entire team. But if I don't

2058
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Speaker 7: see anything next year, I'm out. I mean, I just

2059
01:58:07,920 --> 01:58:10,480
Speaker 7: I can see where this is headed. It's going to

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Speaker 7: be the schools that are the haves are going to

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Speaker 7: be great, and the schools that are the.

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Speaker 2: Have nots are are not.

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Speaker 7: Where in the past you could build a program and

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Speaker 7: a good program. I mean, look at Little Xavier from

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Speaker 7: the MCC in the eighties built a program where they

2066
01:58:28,560 --> 01:58:32,160
Speaker 7: went to I would say what probably twenty two of

2067
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Speaker 7: twenty five NCAA tournament appearances through the Chris mac Era,

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Speaker 7: I think you're going to see schools like that, you see.

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Speaker 7: I think it's going to be another example where the

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Speaker 7: money is not going to be there and the program's

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01:58:44,360 --> 01:58:46,680
Speaker 7: not going to be good enough to do that. And

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Speaker 7: I hate to say it to your point, I think

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Speaker 7: one of the things is you build that relationship with

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Speaker 7: a program, and part of that is that athlete fans relationship.

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Speaker 14: But the other piece of it is winning.

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Speaker 7: And I think when a couple of the lost relationship,

2077
01:59:02,440 --> 01:59:05,760
Speaker 7: the loss development, and a lack of winning, you're gonna

2078
01:59:05,760 --> 01:59:09,560
Speaker 7: see people like myself, people that have been truly invested

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01:59:09,600 --> 01:59:12,640
Speaker 7: in the program for thirty years, we're gonna be walking

2080
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Speaker 7: away from the from the program and spending our money

2081
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Speaker 7: somewhere else.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I.

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Speaker 7: Can, I can spend spend those dollars. I love to travel.

2084
01:59:21,120 --> 01:59:23,240
Speaker 7: You know something, I'm gonna get enjoyment that of I'm

2085
01:59:23,280 --> 01:59:26,520
Speaker 7: going to games this year and it's just, honestly, it's

2086
01:59:26,560 --> 01:59:28,880
Speaker 7: a painful experience. I can't wait for the season to

2087
01:59:28,880 --> 01:59:30,760
Speaker 7: be over, to be honest with you, because it's just

2088
01:59:31,600 --> 01:59:32,400
Speaker 7: it's not fun.

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Speaker 2: It's one thing. It's it's one thing you know, at

2090
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Speaker 2: a situation like Xavier this year, where it's and and

2091
01:59:39,440 --> 01:59:42,400
Speaker 2: nothing against what Richard Patino has tried to do. These

2092
01:59:42,440 --> 01:59:45,600
Speaker 2: are the cards he's been dealt. But he's he's just

2093
01:59:45,640 --> 01:59:48,720
Speaker 2: filling a roster. I mean nothing, nothing against those guys.

2094
01:59:48,720 --> 01:59:51,560
Speaker 2: They play hard. He's just filling a roster, right, He's

2095
01:59:51,600 --> 01:59:54,720
Speaker 2: just like and that's that's hard to get behind.

2096
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Speaker 7: Whereas look at Wes that you see in there five

2097
01:59:58,480 --> 02:00:02,480
Speaker 7: years and he can't bring in enough talent. You can't

2098
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Speaker 7: pay the guys enough to bring in enough talent to

2099
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Speaker 7: build a roster to go to the NCAA tournament. I

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Speaker 7: know that's probably killing you and you a long time.

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Speaker 2: If you're watching, if you're watching mercenaries and their winning,

2102
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Speaker 2: you can get behind the winning. If you're watching mercenaries

2103
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Speaker 2: and you know instead of dudes that you're watching, you know,

2104
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Speaker 2: take some lumps as they grow and okay, you know

2105
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Speaker 2: that there's going to be a payoff to this as

2106
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Speaker 2: these guys gain experience that's entirely different.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and that's this is the buzz I'm hearing from.

2108
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Speaker 7: You know, I sit around many longtime season ticket holders,

2109
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Speaker 7: and you know that's the buzz I'm hearing from, you know,

2110
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Speaker 7: from them, I'm hearing it from family members that have

2111
02:00:40,800 --> 02:00:43,800
Speaker 7: been alongside longtime season ticket holders. They're just going to

2112
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Speaker 7: stop supporting the program.

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Speaker 11: And I hate that for the schools.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, because for the schools, I mean, like it or not,

2115
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Speaker 7: Xavier basketball is what makes Xavier kick, sure, and they

2116
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Speaker 7: know that over there. But I think people are going

2117
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Speaker 7: to you know, I mean, their money is going to

2118
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Speaker 7: have to come from that, you know, the high the

2119
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Speaker 7: high rulers over at Xavier, and if you can't put

2120
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Speaker 7: a program together or the program is something that they

2121
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Speaker 7: don't like, they're going to stop giving money eventually. And

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Speaker 7: that's I think what's going to what's going to bring

2123
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Speaker 7: this back somewhat, But you hate to see it.

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Speaker 2: Work that way.

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Speaker 7: But anyways, No, it's thanks for listening. I mean, that's

2126
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Speaker 7: just that's kind of my perspective on this whole thing.

2127
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Speaker 2: Can't thank you enough. I appreciate it, and it makes sense.

2128
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Speaker 2: It's good to hear from your rich Thanks so much.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. No, it's it's I don't know of a

2130
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Speaker 2: college basketball or football fan who would claim that they're

2131
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Speaker 2: having as much that they're getting as much enjoyment out

2132
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Speaker 2: of the experience of being a college sports fan as

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Speaker 2: they were. They still may enjoy watching games, they still

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Speaker 2: may enjoy going to games. They still may be willing

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Speaker 2: to to donate whatever amount of money they can to

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Speaker 2: help their school and their respective programs. But yeah, man,

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Speaker 2: like I get it from a Xavier perspective entirely, and

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Speaker 2: I think every XU fan I know goes, okay, well,

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Speaker 2: this year was going to be a wash and it's

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Speaker 2: it's Richard Patino just just trying to put a team

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Speaker 2: on the floor and they're not very good and call

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Speaker 2: it what it is. Last night was evidence of that,

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Speaker 2: because Marquette is also not very good. But I think

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Speaker 2: in the past you kind of looked at a year

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Speaker 2: one head coach and said, Okay, he's gonna fill the roster.

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Speaker 2: But there's gonna be some dudes who you know, they'll

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Speaker 2: be on the ground floor of this and maybe some

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Speaker 2: of them will be a part of better times ahead.

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Speaker 2: And that was fun to watch, and that is almost

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Speaker 2: entirely a thing of the past. Also, I think the

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Speaker 2: one thing with NIL is it's given coaches an out.

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Speaker 2: And I don't have a I don't have a specific

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Speaker 2: example in my but I thought about this when Scott Satdfield.

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Speaker 2: I guess I do have a specific example. As soon

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Speaker 2: as you See's football season came to an end, and

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Speaker 2: this is before the ball game, so they still had

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Speaker 2: the bowl game in front of him, but he talked

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Speaker 2: about basically needing more money. And I don't have his

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Speaker 2: quote in front of me, so I'm not going to

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Speaker 2: try to paraphrase him here, but he basically talked about,

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Speaker 2: you know, yeah, financially, like we got to be at

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Speaker 2: a better place. I don't think he was using that

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Speaker 2: as an excuse. I think he was stating fact, like

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Speaker 2: I got a bunch of dudes that I'm about to

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Speaker 2: lose because somebody's gonna pay him more. So we need

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Speaker 2: more money, right, Like, It's how it works. Fans don't

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Speaker 2: want to hear that. But I also when he said that,

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Speaker 2: I thought like, this is going to be the go

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Speaker 2: to And this isn't necessarily what I think Scott Sadderfield

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Speaker 2: was doing, but this is going to give coaches an

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Speaker 2: out who don't deserve an out. Hey, you had a

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Speaker 2: losing season this year, Well, we don't have enough money.

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Speaker 2: We see it all the time in pro sports, where

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Speaker 2: a season goes awry, things don't turn out well, and

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Speaker 2: it's well, we need more money, we don't have enough money,

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Speaker 2: and that takes the focus away from why didn't you

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Speaker 2: develop these guys, why did you put together these players,

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Speaker 2: why did you bring them in? What about these strategies?

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Speaker 2: Why didn't the pieces fit? And instead the reason for

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Speaker 2: losing is now always going to be not having money.

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Speaker 2: That's not great either. I think tern to have time

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Speaker 2: for one more four minutes, DJ, we got four minutes,

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Speaker 2: go ahead, you're on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 5: I think I can do it and faster than four minutes.

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Speaker 2: So forth.

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Speaker 6: First point that I would like to make is I

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Speaker 6: think the easy solution to help is the multi year deals.

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Speaker 14: Instead of all.

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Speaker 6: Of these deals become one year in and out, these

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Speaker 6: colleagues just need to start signing these people to two

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Speaker 6: and three year contracts, just start following the professional sports

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Speaker 6: models to you know, lock these guys up and get

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Speaker 6: some more continuity in your program.

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Speaker 2: But I think, as we've seen so many of these

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Speaker 2: deals at the college level aren't enforceable.

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Speaker 6: And then that takes me to my second point. H

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Speaker 6: They're gonna have to be collective bargaining done with the

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Speaker 6: players at some point in time to get legally enforce

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Speaker 6: me enforceable deals in place. And I think that is

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Speaker 6: going to gain momentum because a lot of these players

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Speaker 6: that are going into the portal, they're not going there

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Speaker 6: because they want to, They're going there because coaches are saying,

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Speaker 6: I think I can find somebody better.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 6: I think that's what happened with your running back at

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Speaker 6: You see, the kid was all pumped up about coming

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Speaker 6: back next year, and he, you know, had a great

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Speaker 6: Bowl game, and now all of a sudden he's in

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Speaker 6: the portal. I think you see said, well, I think

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Speaker 6: we can find somebody better.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe, I you know, I think I think you're

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Speaker 2: exactly right. Appreciate the phone call. There has to be

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Speaker 2: some sort of collective bargaining. I talk to folks who

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Speaker 2: know a lot more about this than I do, who

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Speaker 2: have said, well, in many states, collective bargaining with federal

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Speaker 2: employees is not legal, and athletes at public schools would

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Speaker 2: have to be considered, you know, state employees. I don't

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Speaker 2: know in the absence of collective bargaining, and I don't

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Speaker 2: know how that would work. But you know, getting back

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Speaker 2: to the multi year contract thing like we've seen with coaches,

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Speaker 2: but we've obviously seen with college athletes, like there are

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Speaker 2: contracts and there's either no desire or no ability to

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Speaker 2: enforce them. And to compare it to the professional level,

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Speaker 2: where there's collectively bargained and collectively bargained and agreed on

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Speaker 2: rules as to how the sport's gonna work. So if

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Speaker 2: if a Cincinnati Bengals player signs a two year contract,

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Speaker 2: he's doing so under terms that are collectively bargained. We

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Speaker 2: do not have that in college sports. That's a fun conversation.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know that's the direction the show would go,

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Speaker 2: but it was fun. First Friday show since August. Tomorrow

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Speaker 2: will be here with me. Tomorrow will be a home game.

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Speaker 2: Fatherly duties immediately after our broadcast compel me to do

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Speaker 2: the show for my house. But that's okay. It will

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Speaker 2: sound exactly the same. It's gonna be a Maker's and

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Speaker 2: Coke Friday. Yes, yes, it is. Gotta go get some coke.

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Speaker 2: Let's see. Let's see Kelsey Conway, Robert Wintraub, and our

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Speaker 2: new official Miami guy, Jed de Muci on the undefeated RedHawks.

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Speaker 2: You know we got a UC guy, Brendle we got

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Speaker 2: Nku and Xavier with Browing. We've we've got a Dayton

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Speaker 2: with Drew By and so Jed Demuci, formerly of a

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Speaker 2: local twelve, has stepped up. The Miami RedHawks are good,

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Speaker 2: but my question is, well, he's still be the guy

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Speaker 2: the next time they're bad, which hopefully doesn't happen for

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Speaker 2: a while, So we'll do that as well. Show's over,

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Speaker 2: got to go. Thanks to Tarren Bland for producing, Thanks

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Speaker 2: to you for listening, and thanks to everybody who chimed

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Speaker 2: in today. Have a great night. Back tomorrow. Three h five.

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