Speaker 1: News Radio seven hundred WLW Mike Allen in for Sloaney today,
Speaker 1: as I will be, I believe every day next week.
Speaker 1: So you stuck with me. Hope everybody had a good Christmas.
Speaker 1: I know I did usual stuff, gifts, great food, a
Speaker 1: little bit of beer here and there, but no, it
Speaker 1: was nice. But it's also nice to get it over with,
Speaker 1: you know. I kind of have a theory as far
Speaker 1: as Christmas goes. It's fun when you're a kid, it's
Speaker 1: fun when you have kids, and it will be fun
Speaker 1: again when you have grandkids. And just about a week ago,
Speaker 1: I was blessed with my first grandchild. I've got a granddaughter,
Speaker 1: so really happy about that. And as the years go by,
Speaker 1: I think Christmas is going to get back to being
Speaker 1: fun again. But like I said, I hope you all
Speaker 1: had a good Christmas too, But it is kind of
Speaker 1: nice to have it over with. But this week, this
Speaker 1: is a weird week, isn't it. I Mean half the
Speaker 1: time I don't know whether I'm coming or going. I
Speaker 1: have to stop and think about what day it is.
Speaker 1: But it's kind of laid back too. I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: Coming up here, there's nobody on the roads. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's really nice. I don't know that it'll stay like that.
Speaker 1: Also heard the forecast today is a high of sixty four,
Speaker 1: which is absurd for almost January. That's darn near convertible weather.
Speaker 1: I know a few years back, I think it got
Speaker 1: right around to that temperature and I said, what the heck,
Speaker 1: I got mine out. Don't know if I'll do that
Speaker 1: today though. Anyway, We've got a good show for you today.
Speaker 1: I think we're going to talk at ten o'clock two
Speaker 1: former Vice Mayor Christopher Smithman. Haven't talked to him in
Speaker 1: a while, going to catch up with him and see
Speaker 1: what's up with him and asking his thoughts on what's
Speaker 1: going on in the city of Cincinnati. Ten thirty Janis
Speaker 1: Heisel of the Epoch Times, And if you're a regular
Speaker 1: listener to my Saturday show, I've had Janis on probably
Speaker 1: every Saturday for the past four or five weeks. When
Speaker 1: this story with the corruption in Minnesota, she is all
Speaker 1: over that story, to the point where Nut Gingrich complimented
Speaker 1: her on her coverage. So we're gonna talk to her
Speaker 1: at ten thirty. There are some new developments. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you something I've been around a while. I have
Speaker 1: never seen anything like that. Pretty much agreed by everyone.
Speaker 1: It is now up to nine billion dollars and counting.
Speaker 1: It's just I can't imagine how something like that could
Speaker 1: go on in a relatively small state and nobody know
Speaker 1: about it, nobody do anything about it. I think they
Speaker 1: all knew about it. So Janis will catch us up
Speaker 1: on that. And we're gonna have legal analyst Steve Gooden.
Speaker 1: He's going to call in at eleven, not going to
Speaker 1: talk to the talk to him about the the latest
Speaker 1: on Elwood Jones. He's the dude that caught the break
Speaker 1: and his murder conviction was not reversed, but it was
Speaker 1: dismissed by the prosecutor. And there was a big brew
Speaker 1: haha between the prosecutor and the corner about some evidence.
Speaker 1: But this one. You can't write this one. You can't
Speaker 1: make it up. A couple of days ago, he got
Speaker 1: pulled over for an OVI. He got an OVI. He
Speaker 1: got a failure to control. I think it is and
Speaker 1: a leaving the scene of an accident. You know you
Speaker 1: would think, wouldn't you. I mean? And he did sat
Speaker 1: and sit in jail. I think for about I think
Speaker 1: for about thirty years. You think you know, you get out,
Speaker 1: you get your charges dismissed, you wipe the st slate clean.
Speaker 1: At some point, I'm sure he'll get some kind of
Speaker 1: cash settlement from the state of Ohio. Then you go
Speaker 1: out and do that. I mean, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: just don't understand people a relatively light charge, the maxim
Speaker 1: or the mandatory minimum on a first time OVI. I
Speaker 1: have no idea. If he's got priors is three days,
Speaker 1: and most judges go with that. But he fled from
Speaker 1: the cops, and there's a lot of judges down there
Speaker 1: that aren't real happy about that. So he may be
Speaker 1: making a return visit, a brief visit to the Crowbar hotel.
Speaker 1: I guess we'll just have to see. Well, the big
Speaker 1: story is, and this is serious stuff. Woke up to
Speaker 1: find Donald Trump launched a Christmas night airstrike against ISIS
Speaker 1: he refers to his terrorist scum. It's hard to disagree
Speaker 1: with that he did this in Nigeria after random and
Speaker 1: apparently a pretty high number of killings of Christians. Fox
Speaker 1: News reports to President Donald Trump said the US launched
Speaker 1: airstrike in northwest Nigeria on Christmas night, targeting ISIS militants
Speaker 1: he accused of killing Christians. Well, they are calling the
Speaker 1: operation decisive and warning further attacks would follow if the
Speaker 1: violence continues. Here's his statement, the President's statements. I'm just
Speaker 1: going to read this verbatim. It's classic Trump. Tonight, my
Speaker 1: direction as commander in chief, the United States launched a
Speaker 1: powerful and deadly strike against ISIS terrorists scum in northwest Virginia, sorry,
Speaker 1: northwest Nigeria. Well, that would have been a problem. Who
Speaker 1: have been targeting and viciously killing primarily innocent Christians at
Speaker 1: levels not seen for many years and even centuries. This
Speaker 1: is all on truth social by the way. He goes
Speaker 1: on to say, the President I have previously warned these
Speaker 1: terrorists that if they did not stop the slaughtering of Christians,
Speaker 1: there would be hell to pay. And tonight there was
Speaker 1: the Department of War executed numerous perfect strikes, as only
Speaker 1: the United States is capable of doing. And he closes
Speaker 1: the statement with, under my leadership, our country will not
Speaker 1: allow radical Islamic terrorism to prosper. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for that, mister President. That's long overdue, not from you,
Speaker 1: but from previous administrations. Anyway, he goes on to say,
Speaker 1: May God bless our military and merry Christmas, tall including
Speaker 1: the dead terrorist, of which there will be many if
Speaker 1: their slaughter of Christians continues. So you know, once again,
Speaker 1: Donald Trump love h Merchti. He just tells it like
Speaker 1: it is. And it's not like he didn't say that
Speaker 1: he would do something like this if the situation over
Speaker 1: there didn't get better. I mean, you can't kill Christians
Speaker 1: at random, you know, the Muslim faith. Say what you
Speaker 1: want about it, but let's just be honest. They're not
Speaker 1: our friends. They do not like us, and we do
Speaker 1: not have to like them. I'm not talking about all
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about all of them.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a majority, but it's a
Speaker 1: substantial number that don't and think they can kill Christians
Speaker 1: and Jews. We all know about that from what happened
Speaker 1: on October the sixth, But Trump says it, he's probably
Speaker 1: going to do it, and so of these people just
Speaker 1: don't seem to get it. So we'll see what happens
Speaker 1: on the follow up to that.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I haven't heard anything yet. I think it just happened
Speaker 1: not hours ago, I guess, or maybe around twenty four
Speaker 1: hours exactly what the damage was and what the body
Speaker 1: count of Muslim terrorist is, so we'll find out about that.
Speaker 1: But again, yeah, I tell you what. Like I said,
Speaker 1: you can either love him or hate him. But my
Speaker 1: thought is one thought at least, is you know, I
Speaker 1: think what he's showing people. And this hasn't been true
Speaker 1: since probably the administration of Ronald Reagan. You don't mess
Speaker 1: with the United States of America. If we say something,
Speaker 1: we're going to do it. We're the strongest country in
Speaker 1: the world, and we're starting to act like it again.
Speaker 1: And you can, you know, curse his style, curse you know,
Speaker 1: the way he does things. And he honks me off
Speaker 1: sometimes too. I mean, you know, what he said about
Speaker 1: the Rob Reiner and his family, that killing was just
Speaker 1: I think it was despicable, and I know that's going
Speaker 1: to make some people angry, but you know, you're going
Speaker 1: to do this job, you've got to be an honest broker.
Speaker 1: It was just unnecessary. Having said that. On the substance,
Speaker 1: he says what he's going to do and he does it.
Speaker 1: And you know, radical Islamic terrorism is not gone. It's here,
Speaker 1: and they think they are divinely inspired. So it's something
Speaker 1: that we have to keep up on and the President
Speaker 1: is doing that well. They got Senator Tom Cotton of Arkansas.
Speaker 1: He weighed in on this and he said, I commend
Speaker 1: President Trump, Secretary Hegseeth, and our brave troops for these
Speaker 1: strikes against bloodthirsty Isis savages who are not only persecuting
Speaker 1: Christians but have also killed many Americans. Thank you, senator.
Speaker 1: And I think there was some other comment too the President.
Speaker 1: This is Hegseeth again. The President was clear last month
Speaker 1: the killing of it isent Christians in Nigeria and elsewhere
Speaker 1: must end. He said. The Department of War is ready
Speaker 1: and so isis found out as so isis found out
Speaker 1: tonight on Christmas, more to come. You gotta think that
Speaker 1: doing it on Christmas had to be something that was
Speaker 1: thought out and not just a coincidence to send a message.
Speaker 1: We're just not going to tolerate it. Grateful, grateful for
Speaker 1: the Nigerian support and cooperation. Again, he said, Mary Chris, so,
Speaker 1: I guess what the at the basis of this thing.
Speaker 1: The move followed a surge on attacks on Christians and
Speaker 1: Christian institutions in Nigeria last month. Gunman storm the christ
Speaker 1: Apostolic church in Karwas State, killing two people and kidnapping dozens.
Speaker 1: The thirty eight abducted worshipers were freed only a week later.
Speaker 1: We're freed.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Nearly a week later. Days later, armed attackers rated Saint
Speaker 1: Mary's School, a school with kids obviously in Niger State,
Speaker 1: abducting more than three hundred students and staff. School officials
Speaker 1: said fifty students aged ten to eighteen escaped in the
Speaker 1: following days, but two hundred and fifty three students and
Speaker 1: twelve teachers remained captive. You know, there's your Islam, there's
Speaker 1: your Muslim terrorist for you, let's pick on kids aged
Speaker 1: ten to eighteen. I'm telling you you just can't deal
Speaker 1: with these people. And if somebody wants to call me islamophobic,
Speaker 1: guess what I could care less. I could care less.
Speaker 1: It's high time we got serious about these people. And
Speaker 1: again I have to say it, I'm not talking about
Speaker 1: all but a substantial number of same. So we'll keep
Speaker 1: an eye on that and see what happens. I am
Speaker 1: going to be interested in seeing what the count was
Speaker 1: on something like that, and also obviously in the weeks
Speaker 1: and months to come, whether it had any effect, which
Speaker 1: I kind of think that it did well. Our good
Speaker 1: friend Kamala Harris back in the news. She was talking
Speaker 1: on a podcast. She was actually on this podcast, it's
Speaker 1: called Rich Little Broke Girls Podcast. I think it was
Speaker 1: like three and a half hours or so, which for her,
Speaker 1: I mean Trump could speak for three and a half days,
Speaker 1: but for hers kind of a big deal. But you know,
Speaker 1: she said some very common Harris like things, no word
Speaker 1: salads that I know of. But anyway, she made a comment.
Speaker 1: She suggested that if someone mocks her cackle, guess what,
Speaker 1: it's sexist and anyone that does is out of touch. Now,
Speaker 1: at least she didn't drag the R word out for
Speaker 1: this one. That probably will come later. She made the
Speaker 1: comment during eight an appearance on the Rich Little Broke
Speaker 1: Girls podcast when she recalled a reporter asking her about
Speaker 1: criticisms of lacking humility. Okay, here's Kamala, I don't aspire
Speaker 1: to be humble. Humility. Yes, it's very important. It's very
Speaker 1: dated perspective on women who women should be to say
Speaker 1: women should be humble, women should be quiet, women should
Speaker 1: laugh easily.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Again, she just never answers the questions I don't aspire
Speaker 1: to be humble humility. Yes, well, I think they're kind
Speaker 1: of closely related, Kamala, I'm not mistaken. And she goes
Speaker 1: on to say women should not have a sense of humor,
Speaker 1: women should not raise their and she's mocking people. Women
Speaker 1: should not raise their voice. I have never felt burdened
Speaker 1: by those very dated and I think out of touch standards,
Speaker 1: you know. And she goes on to say, like, apparently
Speaker 1: some people love to talk about the way I laugh. Well,
Speaker 1: let me tell you something. I have my mother's laugh,
Speaker 1: and I grew up around a bunch of women in
Speaker 1: particular who laughed from the belly. And she does have.
Speaker 1: It's a rather hearty laugh. Some may say a cackle,
Speaker 1: but it's always at times that are not appropriate. But
Speaker 1: I guess the whole point of all of this, you know,
Speaker 1: you could say, yeah, maybe I do that, but it's
Speaker 1: just me. You know, people need to get over it
Speaker 1: and not blame it on the F word, you know, feminism.
Speaker 1: It's because you know, we're all misogynistic. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know why that woman is actually out on
Speaker 1: the stump anyway. I mean, every time she opens her mouth,
Speaker 1: she probably takes at least three or four points off
Speaker 1: of her favorable polling information. Well, she goes on and says,
Speaker 1: there are different phases in your life and you may
Speaker 1: not know. Okay, this is classic Kamala. There are different
Speaker 1: phases in your life and you may not know what
Speaker 1: phase you're in. Maybe you're going to choose that you
Speaker 1: want to have that kind of Friday night relationship, or
Speaker 1: you want that Saturday morning relationship. I mean, think about that.
Speaker 1: I guess you could have both Friday morning and Friday
Speaker 1: night then Saturday morning. I don't know what the hell
Speaker 1: she's talking about. Thank you, Kama. I didn't know you
Speaker 1: were listening, hope, But then you're an eight. You off
Speaker 1: too much anyway, or you can or you want that
Speaker 1: Saturday morning relationship. Sometimes you can get both, yeah, see,
Speaker 1: and sometimes they are just oil and water, and that's okay.
Speaker 1: Be in those phases where you are having funds. I
Speaker 1: don't know what point she was trying to get across,
Speaker 1: other than no matter what, it ain't her fault. She
Speaker 1: doesn't have a funny and annoying cackle. It's all the
Speaker 1: result of sexism. So that's probably what you would have
Speaker 1: expected from her. I know, it's what I would have expected.
Speaker 1: For She did comment on her own marriage. Doug him
Speaker 1: off a pretty powerful lawyer as I understand it. She
Speaker 1: married him in twenty fourteen. She said, Doug and I
Speaker 1: got married in our forties, and I love my husband
Speaker 1: so very much. He's my best friend. So far, so good.
Speaker 1: We've talked about it. We met in our twenties, or
Speaker 1: had if we had met in our twenties, I don't
Speaker 1: know that we would have really been in the same place,
Speaker 1: she added. And you know what, that, I think is
Speaker 1: a statement that makes some sense. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: you just don't know. But there are some things about him,
Speaker 1: m Off that I'm going to get into that. I
Speaker 1: think if it were a Republican or a conservative running
Speaker 1: for president or vice president the United States, we certainly
Speaker 1: would have heard about them. But hey, that's pretty much
Speaker 1: par for the course. Hey, we got to take a break.
Speaker 1: But I want to tell you lots of time for
Speaker 1: calls this morning. Seven four nine, seven thousand, one eight hundred.
Speaker 1: The big one are the numbers. If you want to
Speaker 1: be part of the fun. Here Mike Allen in for
Speaker 1: Sloaney seven hundred WLW. They we're back. Mike Allen in
Speaker 1: for sloaney, it's nine to forty. Well, I tell you
Speaker 1: we got some good weather coming. This is almost convertible weather. Today,
Speaker 1: mostly cloudy, a little scattered ring, but a high of
Speaker 1: sixty four. How about that tonight mostly cloudy, mild, low
Speaker 1: forty three and tomorrow mostly cloudy, comfortable high of fifty five.
Speaker 1: So I will definitely take that. Well, I'll tell you
Speaker 1: talk about having a good Christmas, there's some dude in
Speaker 1: Arkansas that had an incredible Christmas talking about the powerball
Speaker 1: player in Arkansas who won? Are you ready a one
Speaker 1: point eight seventeen billion, not million billion dollar jackpot Wednesday?
Speaker 1: That's a heck of a Christmas present. I guess the
Speaker 1: way they do it or a lot of oh here
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah. They reported lump some cash payment option
Speaker 1: of eight hundred and thirty four point nine million bucks.
Speaker 1: I mean, can you imagine that? You know, if I
Speaker 1: think about it and I'm walking by some where they're
Speaker 1: selling the tickets, I'll punk five bucks down. I mean,
Speaker 1: I get five dollars worth of daydream and just thinking
Speaker 1: about it, and you also think too, what would you
Speaker 1: do with all that money? Yeah? I guess I'd pay
Speaker 1: all my families, mortgages off, take care of my friends.
Speaker 1: I like gold cars. I'd probably buy a warehouse full
Speaker 1: of them, and then yeah, great, not all of it,
Speaker 1: but a great deal of it. I'd give it away
Speaker 1: to people. I mean, how cool would that be when
Speaker 1: your your main job in life is to figure out
Speaker 1: good causes to give money to. But that's a hell
Speaker 1: of a jackpot to have won at one point eight
Speaker 1: seventeen billion dollars. I remember it was in the seventies,
Speaker 1: I think late seventies when Ohio first started their lottery.
Speaker 1: I don't think at the time it was affiliated with
Speaker 1: other states. I think it was just kind of a
Speaker 1: standalone deal. But you had to get It's not a
Speaker 1: power ball. You had to get six out of obviously
Speaker 1: to get the big one. One time my old man
Speaker 1: got five out of six and I think he got
Speaker 1: a couple thousand dollars. But those numbers are nothing compared
Speaker 1: to what they are now. They have not identified, as
Speaker 1: far as I know, the guy that wanted, but I
Speaker 1: hope it's someone that really needs it put it that way,
Speaker 1: and has a kind of a generous streak in he
Speaker 1: We shall see, I'll tell you hunter he Biden Hunter, Biden.
Speaker 1: You thought he was gone, he's not. I don't know
Speaker 1: if his intent is to harm his father or not,
Speaker 1: or he's just not smart enough to know what will
Speaker 1: help him and what won't help him. This one is unbelievable.
Speaker 1: A wide ranging five and a half hour interview was
Speaker 1: on The Sean Ryan Show. I guess it's a podcast,
Speaker 1: although I think it's on TV too, on December twenty second.
Speaker 1: He addressed several highly controversial topics, the main one being
Speaker 1: that they've reported on at least criticism of his father's
Speaker 1: administration and his personal financial struggles. Okay, according to AI,
Speaker 1: here are some of the key highlights from the interview.
Speaker 1: He criticized the Biden administration pretty strongly. He described his father,
Speaker 1: President Joe Biden's withdrawal from Afghanistan and certain immigration policies
Speaker 1: as I'm quoting catastrophic failures. Catastrophic failures. Yeah, that's probably
Speaker 1: an understatement, especially with respect to the chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan.
Speaker 1: Hunter specifically called the immigration situation quote and obvious efing
Speaker 1: failure close quote, noting that while vibrant immigration is needed,
Speaker 1: the current lack of border security drains resources. Well, He's
Speaker 1: wrong about it. There is border security now. I heard
Speaker 1: last week I think it was Tom Homan was being
Speaker 1: interviewed somewhere. He said he got up in a helicopter,
Speaker 1: you know, flew around looking at certain parts of the border,
Speaker 1: nothing happening. He got a four wheeler from somebody, drove around,
Speaker 1: nothing happened. Nobody getting into this country without first facing someone.
Speaker 1: So there is no current lack of border security. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just finally it's under control. Well, then he talked
Speaker 1: about his financial and legal issues, which are myriad. He
Speaker 1: revealed that he is currently facing a proxy. Listen to this.
Speaker 1: You know, he probably should have won that lottery. Not really,
Speaker 1: he's facing fifteen million bucks. He's fifteen million bucks in debt,
Speaker 1: and he stated that he has quote no clue close
Speaker 1: quote how he will pay it. Well, okay, you know,
Speaker 1: by a lot of people's account most notably the House
Speaker 1: Oversight Committee. He got millions and millions and millions of
Speaker 1: dollars through all of his dealings with Ukraine as well
Speaker 1: as I think China and some other places too. Then
Speaker 1: you know it went around through like twenty four different accounts,
Speaker 1: and you know, kids five years old getting money, and
Speaker 1: he Biden walked on that it's just unbelievable, the biggest scandal,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, in this country's history. I think this
Speaker 1: whole situation in Minnesota is going to be closely following it.
Speaker 1: But no, he had all that money from that, he
Speaker 1: has no clue how he's going to pay it, and
Speaker 1: I guess there is like a real big rift brewing
Speaker 1: between his family and Obama. He blamed former President Obama's
Speaker 1: aids for being quote distasteful close quote and forcing him
Speaker 1: to restart his business career from square one. Now, I
Speaker 1: don't know whoever interviewed him, but if that person that
Speaker 1: just begs for a follow up, and the follow up
Speaker 1: would be hunter, please explain that how did President Obama
Speaker 1: force you to restart your business career from square one?
Speaker 1: I'd be interested in hearing what his answers, not really interested,
Speaker 1: but curious to hear what his answer to that would be.
Speaker 1: And this might be the best one.
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 1: He blamed his father's very poor debate performance against the president.
Speaker 1: He wasn't the president then, he Biden was Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: May have been caused by the use of are you
Speaker 1: ready ambient? So you know it wasn't Joe Biden being
Speaker 1: addled and cognitively impaired. Darn it was that darn ambient anyway,
Speaker 1: I hey, if you want to call seven four nine,
Speaker 1: seven thousand, one, eight hundred the big one are the numbers.
Speaker 1: Let's do this. Let's take a short break and we'll
Speaker 1: come back talk a little bit before the news. Mike
Speaker 1: Allen in for Sloaney, seven hundred WLW nine one excuse me, yeah,
Speaker 1: nine two News Radio, seven hundred WLW. Mike Allen in
Speaker 1: for Sloaney. We're going to the phones here. Let's talk
Speaker 1: to Bob in Florida. Hey, good morning, Bob, Hey, good morning.
Speaker 2: How you doing.
Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm good. What you got for me?
Speaker 3: I just wanted to mention the small fraud number of
Speaker 3: years back. You know, I worked from Delta Airlines to CVG,
Speaker 3: and we had many everyone they were hiring was part
Speaker 3: time here for us, and so many of these small
Speaker 3: people and I'm thinking, Mike, God, where did they come from?
Speaker 3: And they were traveling all the time because when you're
Speaker 3: an airline employee, you can fly on the cheap international,
Speaker 3: So they were traveling all the time over to their
Speaker 3: home and h there.
Speaker 4: Was one instance where one of their bags.
Speaker 3: Their carry on or their suitcases got checked at twenty
Speaker 3: two laptops in it and two geez, twenty two laptops.
Speaker 4: And I still to this day, I don't.
Speaker 3: Know what kind of black market they have. I was
Speaker 3: reading article where Ohio has the third most sorelly of
Speaker 3: population in the country, which these people that worked there
Speaker 3: at CBG they did live in Ohio, but just worthless
Speaker 3: late be interesting to see if people really get locked
Speaker 3: up politicians, well some of the with this wasteful, you
Speaker 3: know nonsense, but don't their lines cater to them?
Speaker 2: I take it, you know what.
Speaker 1: And I've had a couple of callers to the show
Speaker 1: over the last couple of weeks saying that Columbus a
Speaker 1: very high population of some allions, and both of the
Speaker 1: callers set maybe even more than that, said that hey
Speaker 1: expect something to come out of Columbus with respect to
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff soon. So I guess we'll see
Speaker 1: with respect of Minnesota. It's just hard to fathom how
Speaker 1: something like that and it now is counting at nine
Speaker 1: billion dollars, and number one, nobody would have known about it.
Speaker 1: Nobody in a position to do anything would know about it.
Speaker 1: And number two, the media would not cover the story.
Speaker 1: I've talked, I've seen, I've talked to Janis Heiseel. Matter
Speaker 1: of fact, we're going to talk to her at ten
Speaker 1: ten thirty about it. Of the Epoch Times. She's all
Speaker 1: over this, but it's a feeling apparently that they're not
Speaker 1: going to comment on it and the media is not
Speaker 1: going to report it because it will be seen as
Speaker 1: a racist which is just absolute garbage. You know, you
Speaker 1: get ripped off to the tune of nine billion dollars,
Speaker 1: but you're not allowed to say anything about it. I
Speaker 1: honestly think, I honestly think we're just at the tip
Speaker 1: of the iceberg with this thing. We really are, you
Speaker 1: know what. I guess I lost him. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: we'll see, but it's I think we're just beginning. And
Speaker 1: again Janis Heiseel at ten thirty she has written three
Speaker 1: more articles about it, and yeah, I follow this stuff
Speaker 1: and she's on this, I think more than any other
Speaker 1: national journalist. So she knows the scoop and we will
Speaker 1: get it from her. At ten thirty, Hey, let's go
Speaker 1: to Let's go to Larry. Hello, Larry, how you doing?
Speaker 4: Not bad for an old guy? Sir?
Speaker 5: I doing great, and as a fellow former fellow police officer,
Speaker 5: I cannot even imagine how law enforcement is feeling about
Speaker 5: the county prosecutor's decision to let that gentleman out of
Speaker 5: jail so he can commit more crime beyond the lass
Speaker 5: that's going to happen because of the language that was used, yeah,
Speaker 5: to criticize the former prosecutor, but now that he is
Speaker 5: committing new crimes, how in the world can she look
Speaker 5: herself in the mirror?
Speaker 1: Well, you know what, when I was prosecutor, I was
Speaker 1: just peripherally involved in it with different motions and things,
Speaker 1: and so yeah, I know a little bit about it,
Speaker 1: but not a heck of a lot. But boy, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what it sure seemed to me and still does,
Speaker 1: that they had the goods on the guy. You know,
Speaker 1: that's a tough job, prosecutor. It is. You got to
Speaker 1: make tough, tough calls, and you know, she made one
Speaker 1: that not everybody obviously agrees with. I'll tell you my
Speaker 1: main problem with what she said. She said that, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm convinced he didn't do it. Now, I did look
Speaker 1: at some of the evidence in the thing, and I
Speaker 1: would be saying the otherwise I was convinced that he
Speaker 1: did do it, So you know, I don't know, and
Speaker 1: you get the situation where there's a wizen match between
Speaker 1: her the prosecutor in the county corner doctor Simarco, who
Speaker 1: I think is an excellent coroner. That was that was
Speaker 1: unfortunate that they had that two Democrats going at it too.
Speaker 1: And then, as you say, not, but what three or
Speaker 1: four days ago, dude goes out and gets an OVI
Speaker 1: fleeing and eluding in some other charges too. Wouldn't you
Speaker 1: think that if you're in that situation, that you would
Speaker 1: kind of try to walk the straight and arrow and
Speaker 1: call a damn uber instead of driving. I mean, I
Speaker 1: just I don't get it.
Speaker 6: Well, I do get it, but miss Sad be walking,
Speaker 6: you'd be walking on eggshells for a while. You would
Speaker 6: think you and kissing the ground that you're walking on.
Speaker 6: But you know, I can't based on you know, limited
Speaker 6: knowledge that I'm hearing on the radio and talk show
Speaker 6: and everything else. It sounds like the prosecutor never had
Speaker 6: a conversation with Joe Dieters to test her theory before
Speaker 6: she launched it.
Speaker 1: Am I right, I don't know, you know, I really
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm not privy to that, frankly, don't want
Speaker 1: to be. I don't know, but I mean what's public
Speaker 1: is public, and there are oodles and noodles, if you will,
Speaker 1: of evidence that she could have looked, and she probably did.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what, She's got some top people
Speaker 1: in that office, in the upper ranks that I think
Speaker 1: she said they looked it over too. But I think
Speaker 1: if it were me, I guess, I guess it's a
Speaker 1: little Monday morning quarterbacking. I would have said that, you know,
Speaker 1: to pursue this would not be a benefit to the taxpayers.
Speaker 1: Maybe intimate a little bit somehow that yeah, he was guilty,
Speaker 1: but I'm walking away from it. I don't agree with that,
Speaker 1: but that would have been a way to kind of
Speaker 1: soften a little bit. I do have to say this though,
Speaker 1: I mean the prosecutor, Connie Pillich, is a Democrat. I'm
Speaker 1: a Republican. I think she's done a pretty darn good
Speaker 1: job so far. This I think is the main screw
Speaker 1: up we shall.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I tried not to look at the politics.
Speaker 6: I mean, she's she's in a position she's elected. Listen,
Speaker 6: I got you, and I have a long background together.
Speaker 6: You know, I was around Simon Leeese and you and
Speaker 6: a lot of other people for a lot of years,
Speaker 6: and you know you're in the position and to your point,
Speaker 6: you're you're making tough.
Speaker 7: Decisions and with the information you have.
Speaker 4: At the time.
Speaker 6: Now, unfortunately we get second guests in the police and
Speaker 6: law enforcement all the time by everybody, and.
Speaker 4: So I hate to jump on that bandwagon, but.
Speaker 6: This is just seems to me just like a black
Speaker 6: eye that it's going to be harder to recover from
Speaker 6: in this situation.
Speaker 2: But Mike, good to hear you on the radios.
Speaker 7: I'm always a fan, and take.
Speaker 6: Care and have a great New Year's If I don't.
Speaker 1: Talk to you, you too, Larry, thank you very much,
Speaker 1: and thanks for the call. Yeah, you know, it's just
Speaker 1: a shame. I mean, probably should have been and some
Speaker 1: communication I guess with the former prosecutor, not me, but
Speaker 1: Joe because it pretty much came down on his watch.
Speaker 1: And Joe is I know he talked about it. He's
Speaker 1: kind of in a difficult position too, being a Supreme
Speaker 1: Court justice. Judges are limited in what they can say publicly.
Speaker 1: From what I understand, Joe talked to Willie and no
Speaker 1: lines were crossed there. But it's an unfortunate situation, it
Speaker 1: really is. And you know, here's dude. He just gets
Speaker 1: out of prison, it probably wasn't even a week or
Speaker 1: maybe two weeks and gets jammed up on this stuff.
Speaker 1: I guess it just kind of shows where his head is. Hey,
Speaker 1: we got to take a break for the news. But
Speaker 1: when we get back, looking forward to this, We're going
Speaker 1: to catch up with Christopher Smithman. I'm gonna ask him
Speaker 1: his opinion on what's going on in the city with
Speaker 1: all the crime stuff and just a lot of things.
Speaker 1: I want to catch up with christ fraud and we'll
Speaker 1: do that when we get back. Mike Allen and for
Speaker 1: Slowey seven hundred WLW News Radio seven hundred WLW. Mike
Speaker 1: Allen in for Sloaney on the day after Christmas. Hope
Speaker 1: everyone had a good Christmas. I did, but always glad,
Speaker 1: kind of glad when it's over. You know what, there's
Speaker 1: so many things going on in our city and our
Speaker 1: state and in the country and in the world. And
Speaker 1: I always like to check in with our good friend
Speaker 1: Christopher Smitheman to see what he's thinking about things. And
Speaker 1: he's on the line, and we're going to talk to
Speaker 1: him today. Hey, good morning, Christopher.
Speaker 4: Hey, good morning Mike, and look, Merry Christmas you too,
Speaker 4: and happy New Year to you and your and your family.
Speaker 1: You too, Christopher. Do you have a good Christmas?
Speaker 4: Wonderful Christmas. All the kids were on the rotation for Cincinnati,
Speaker 4: so I had them all next year. I won't. That's
Speaker 4: a part of it, right, right, They rotate out to
Speaker 4: their spouses and there and their significant others. So this
Speaker 4: year was my year, and I really enjoyed them.
Speaker 1: Good. I'm glad to hear that. Well, what's your thought
Speaker 1: on what's going on out in the world. I mean,
Speaker 1: in this country. You have the situation out there in Minnesota,
Speaker 1: which I don't know if you're following that, Christopher, but
Speaker 1: I mean it's incredible with the fraud going on there.
Speaker 1: That's actually a new term has been coined, fraud tourism,
Speaker 1: to where people are recruited by other fraudsters to say, hey,
Speaker 1: come on out here, you can make a lot of money.
Speaker 1: It's just it's unbelievable to me. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 4: Well, I agree, and I think that the number is
Speaker 4: gonna hit nine billion dollars, nine with a billion with
Speaker 4: a B you know, the original one billion, So we've
Speaker 4: gone from one billion to nine billion. I think there
Speaker 4: were thirteen people maybe indicted in the last yes, two weeks,
Speaker 4: and there's going to be more. And the sad part
Speaker 4: about I know you're highlighting it is, Look, this is
Speaker 4: medicaid fraud. This is where the people in our society
Speaker 4: who need resources, Americans, veterans, they're all depending on these resources.
Speaker 4: So to see people going out and frauding us out
Speaker 4: of nine billion dollars, it just undermines the entire system.
Speaker 4: And the other part of it is that the taxpayers,
Speaker 4: it's our money, that hard earned money. I'm not just
Speaker 4: think about how hard I worked in twenty twenty five
Speaker 4: to make what I made, you know, to feed my family,
Speaker 4: and I don't want to waste money. And I don't
Speaker 4: want to wake up and hear that the government wasted
Speaker 4: nine big because when we say nine billion, is we're
Speaker 4: talking to federal government, so we're talking the entire country.
Speaker 4: Everybody is putting their money in that same pot. So
Speaker 4: this is a terrible situation. And I just do not
Speaker 4: understand why the Democrats are unwilling to call out the fraud,
Speaker 4: and then those who do call out the fraud. And
Speaker 4: this is the saddest part is they run to their
Speaker 4: corner of playing racial politics, as if talking about this
Speaker 4: makes you and me a racist because we're talking about
Speaker 4: Somalians who were defrauding Minnesota and all of us across
Speaker 4: the federal you know, every every state is impacted because
Speaker 4: it's these are federal dollars for medicaid. Why the Democrats
Speaker 4: aren't calling this out when they say they care about
Speaker 4: the poor, they care about safety, death services, these are
Speaker 4: the things that undermine Medicaid and we've got to get
Speaker 4: this fraud out of our systems absolutely.
Speaker 1: And you know, some of the Democrats are complaining about
Speaker 1: the federal oversight, saying, well, this is all about Trump
Speaker 1: just trying to embarrass Tim Walls, you know, blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: blah blah. And nobody's stepping forward to say, hey, we
Speaker 1: screwed up, and we screwed up big time, and we're
Speaker 1: going to do whatever we can do to fix it.
Speaker 1: Like I said, Janis Heisel is reported on this thing, Christopher,
Speaker 1: I think, probably better than anyone in the country. As
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, Nuke Gingrich complimented her for her coverage.
Speaker 1: She's on it like white on rice and she I'm
Speaker 1: gonna talk to her at ten thirty. She dug down,
Speaker 1: and I guess there have been a lot of tax
Speaker 1: increases in Minnesota because of what's going on. So you
Speaker 1: got the situation where you know, ordinary taxpayers are really
Speaker 1: funding the fraud. It's just it's something that's not tenable.
Speaker 1: It's got to stop. And accountability is kind of a
Speaker 1: word that's losing its meaning unfortunately. But you gotta have
Speaker 1: it here, you gotta do.
Speaker 4: And the sad part about it is, I'm not feeling
Speaker 4: this sense that when when these people come up for
Speaker 4: reelection that anything different will happen.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 4: And so that's the sad part about it. And you know,
Speaker 4: I'm hearing that we have some might have some issues
Speaker 4: in the state of Ohio. I pray that we get
Speaker 4: to the bottom of any medicaid any fraud, but any
Speaker 4: medicaid fraud that we are experiencing. Every governor across the
Speaker 4: United States of America, this should be a wake up
Speaker 4: and everybody should be fact checking, looking and making sure
Speaker 4: that levels of fraud are not happening in any part
Speaker 4: of their state because this undermines the entire system and
Speaker 4: it doesn't make anybody a racist. All of us should
Speaker 4: be using social media to highlight this. We should be
Speaker 4: putting a flashlight on it, because these are our tax
Speaker 4: dollars at the end of the day, and I just
Speaker 4: worked so hard, I paid so much in taxes that
Speaker 4: these are the kinds of things that really send me
Speaker 4: over the top. Mike Allen, I can't, I can't afford.
Speaker 4: I feel like I make money, and I feel like
Speaker 4: at the end of the year, I feel poorer than
Speaker 4: I did the previous year. And the Americans out there
Speaker 4: that feel that way, it's unacceptable. So the people out
Speaker 4: there that are making one hundred thousand, sixty thousand, fifty thousand,
Speaker 4: I'm look sure how much your federal dollars, some percentage
Speaker 4: of it are in this pool of money that you
Speaker 4: that Mike Allen and I are talking about, and they
Speaker 4: defrauded us all And the last thing about it is,
Speaker 4: and this is the scariest is they were sending the
Speaker 4: money possibly possibly.
Speaker 2: The fund terrorists.
Speaker 1: Yes I forgot that, taking the.
Speaker 4: Money, sending it back, and now all of a sudden
Speaker 4: it boomerangs back in some kind of way that a
Speaker 4: terrorists act against our interests we're funding with our federal dollars.
Speaker 4: So any Democrat out there, this is a non partisan issue.
Speaker 4: This is not about Democrats or Republicans. The Democrats they're controlling.
Speaker 4: So we're discussing any of us as Americans should say
Speaker 4: this is wrong, and we're calling it out. Unfortunately, the
Speaker 4: congressional members, everybody's running to their corners and basically saying,
Speaker 4: anybody that talks about this, you're calling out Somalians and
Speaker 4: now you are a racist. I'm not a racist to
Speaker 4: talk about the fraud and abuse that's happening around this
Speaker 4: nine billion dollars.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and I think we've just scratched the surface on it.
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you to Christopher. Obviously, myself and
Speaker 1: many many others were hopeful that we see you on
Speaker 1: city Council, back on council in the year twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1: Didn't happen. I hope and a lot of other people
Speaker 1: do too. And I'm not kidding you that this isn't
Speaker 1: the end of the road politically for Christopher Smithman. But
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you your thoughts on the City
Speaker 1: of Cincinnati as we go into the new year. Obviously,
Speaker 1: you were very critical during the campaign as you were
Speaker 1: supposed to be. But your thoughts on the direction that
Speaker 1: the city of Cincinnati is headed with a completely democrat
Speaker 1: city council. I don't think a Republican and maybe like
Speaker 1: yourself and independent is ever going to get elected to
Speaker 1: that thing anymore based on what happened. But just kind
Speaker 1: of broadly your thoughts on the city as we go
Speaker 1: into the new year.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm concerned. I'm just as concerned.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: They for me, these weren't political talking points. And I
Speaker 4: think the things that you and I talked about prior
Speaker 4: to the election have also proven to be true. I
Speaker 4: think the settlement of the eight point one million was corruption.
Speaker 4: And the reason I had defined it as corruption, this
Speaker 4: is the settlement after and during the George Floyd incident.
Speaker 4: And I thought what happened to George Floyd was wrong.
Speaker 4: I think that it was police misconduct, but it wasn't
Speaker 4: the City of Cincinnati. He had nothing to do with us.
Speaker 4: Why were there protesters in our downtown doing anything, setting fires,
Speaker 4: blocking roads, whatever they were doing down there that cost
Speaker 4: some of them to be detained. And so I'm very
Speaker 4: concerned about it. And they knew they were in settlement talks.
Speaker 4: If I were the mayor, there is no way I
Speaker 4: would have settled this case. We would have gone a
Speaker 4: trial and I would have had a jury come back
Speaker 4: and say, hey, the city did something wrong. And I
Speaker 4: think if a jury had seen this, there's no way
Speaker 4: that they would have awarded ten million dollars or eight
Speaker 4: point one million and lawyers getting two million dollars. It
Speaker 4: just wouldn't have happened. The other thing I think I
Speaker 4: want to highlight is that all of the shootings that
Speaker 4: continue to happen in our city. You know, we got
Speaker 4: a majority of Democrats, and I Mike, and I'm not kids.
Speaker 4: These aren't just talking. But I don't know what the
Speaker 4: plan is. I have no sense of what city council
Speaker 4: and the mayor are doing as far as they comprehensive
Speaker 4: plan to deal with crime across our fifty two neighborhoods.
Speaker 4: And the reality of it is, I just saw another
Speaker 4: business or remember which one of private businesses said Hey,
Speaker 4: I'm relocating. You're gonna see more of that throughout the year.
Speaker 4: Because I am a small business owner. You've got to
Speaker 4: be worried about your employees, and you've got to be
Speaker 4: worried about your customers. So people are thinking, Hey, my
Speaker 4: person is coming downtown, my employees are going home at night.
Speaker 4: I'm worried about them. And if they feel that they're
Speaker 4: not secure, they're not gonna want to work for that company.
Speaker 4: By the way, that then impacts what we say recruitment
Speaker 4: and retention, and businesses can only take so much of that,
Speaker 4: and they're gonna say, listen, I'm gonna relocate to another state.
Speaker 4: I'm going to go right across the line to Kentucky.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go across the line in Indiana, or I'm
Speaker 4: gonna move out into the suburbs where i don't have
Speaker 4: to deal with that. And my employees feel comfortable coming
Speaker 4: and going from work. They can come at five in
Speaker 4: the morning, they can leave at eight o'clock at night.
Speaker 4: But if you have an employee that says it's getting
Speaker 4: dark at five, I'm uncomfortable walking to my car, which,
Speaker 4: by the way, Mike, some of them are uncomfortable and
Speaker 4: should be uncomfortable. Those companies are going to relocate. So
Speaker 4: my point is that city Hall must do a better job.
Speaker 4: If they have a plan, they should a comprehensive plan,
Speaker 4: they should articulate that plan, and they still don't. I
Speaker 4: don't have a sense that they're supporting our police, and
Speaker 4: so you can't solve crime in any city without supporting police.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that goes without saying. But I don't think
Speaker 1: they get it. You know, I agree with what you're saying.
Speaker 1: Our downtown is a duel. I mean, it just is.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anyone like it in the country.
Speaker 1: I love going downtown and I'm still doing it, but
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people. I'll say, Hey, did
Speaker 1: you go down to see this play at Aaron Off
Speaker 1: or whatever? And the response is on, I'm not going downtown.
Speaker 1: And it's not to the point now where these places
Speaker 1: are closing down, although some of them are, But man,
Speaker 1: I think that's where we're There was a lot of
Speaker 1: money I think, in most ways wisely spent on downtown,
Speaker 1: the core of the city. If that stuff keeps on happening,
Speaker 1: you know they're gonna have to board them up and
Speaker 1: go somewhere else. It's it's really really I think at
Speaker 1: a turning point. And I don't know that that council
Speaker 1: is all jassed up about it like they should be.
Speaker 4: No, they're they're they're not. And you know, again, Unfortunately,
Speaker 4: our city council is still bathing in identity politics and
Speaker 4: they're they're they're short armed solutions. And that includes the
Speaker 4: that includes the mayor. I mean, when you think about
Speaker 4: it's embarrassing to talk about, but its reality. His car
Speaker 4: being his cars in revote, I mean, that is so embarrassing.
Speaker 4: It's it's it's almost unimaginable. The settlement, the money that
Speaker 4: they then pay the contractor, Irish Rowley, all of it's
Speaker 4: happening after the elections of voters didn't even go in
Speaker 4: having all the information. Our reporters in this town are lazy.
Speaker 4: We used to have, you know, a paper of record
Speaker 4: that would dig in, ask questions, and not even one
Speaker 4: article I'm criticizing and publicly that says, hey, mayor, why
Speaker 4: didn't we know about the settlement? If you were in
Speaker 4: settlement talks prior to the election, this is a big
Speaker 4: deal for voters. But the mayor and the administration, they
Speaker 4: were hiding this information from the voters. I call that corruption.
Speaker 4: It's a it's a major problem. But last thing I'll
Speaker 4: say to you, brother, is George Floyd, I didn't I
Speaker 4: want to highlight this so that that I want to
Speaker 4: speak to the to this matter one. You know, I
Speaker 4: don't think what happened to him should have happened. But
Speaker 4: this wasn't a choir boy. I mean, George Floyd had
Speaker 4: an extensive criminal record, right, and so it's like they
Speaker 4: built this guy up like he was this wonderful citizen
Speaker 4: that followed the law and had no problems in boom
Speaker 4: boom bam, boom bam. This is not somebody that I
Speaker 4: would want it running around with any of my sons.
Speaker 4: I got four sons. This is not I would say,
Speaker 4: Oh no, George, for you can't hang with my kids.
Speaker 4: You're out here doing too much crazy stuff. Right, You're
Speaker 4: gonna get my kid killed. My point is that it's
Speaker 4: always amazing how they try to rehabilitate the reputations of
Speaker 4: people when the reality of it was he probably he probably,
Speaker 4: I don't know, it's just sure gave his mother heartburns
Speaker 4: for her whole life. Like this guy, where are you?
Speaker 4: What are you doing? What decisions are you making? Who
Speaker 4: are you hanging with? Why are you involved with that?
Speaker 4: What do you do? I mean, I'm guarantee you as mother,
Speaker 4: his grandmother and aunts and uncles were trying to get
Speaker 4: this guy to make good decisions and he wasn't making them,
Speaker 4: and that ultimately he paid a serious price because of
Speaker 4: all of those interactions he was having with law enforcement.
Speaker 4: I don't have that issue with my kids. I don't
Speaker 4: have that with my four boys. I mean, I just
Speaker 4: don't deal with that. My wife and I were very
Speaker 4: hard on them, make sure we help them accountable. We
Speaker 4: knew where they were, where they were going, who their
Speaker 4: friends were. We need more parenting going into twenty twenty
Speaker 4: six where parents know where they are and stop leaving
Speaker 4: that work up to our cop and our prosecutors and
Speaker 4: our judges and our teachers. This is a parent issue.
Speaker 4: We have parentless fatherless homes. We've got to address it
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty six. And anybody listening, is this turn
Speaker 4: your life around. If you haven't talked to your kids,
Speaker 4: you don't know where your kids are. If you're not
Speaker 4: paying child support, you're not supporting the children that you made.
Speaker 4: It's not the government government's responsibility to pay for a
Speaker 4: child that you made. If we're not handling that business
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty six, guess what our constant teachers and
Speaker 4: our firefighters are going to have the same problems they
Speaker 4: had in twenty twenty five a city councilor the mayor
Speaker 4: with no plan to deal with the crime because they
Speaker 4: want to hold everybody's hands. And we have young people
Speaker 4: that feel like accountability is not on the table for.
Speaker 1: Them, and that's a problem. That is the most important word,
Speaker 1: you know. They talk about affordability, of course, that's important. Accountability,
Speaker 1: I think is equally important, and it's missing in so
Speaker 1: many facets of our life going into twenty twenty six. Christopher,
Speaker 1: around of time. I really appreciate you catching up with us,
Speaker 1: and I hope we can call on you again.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much, Mike Allan again, Happy new year
Speaker 4: to you and your entire listening audience. People can follow
Speaker 4: me on social media on x at vote Smitherman. Please
Speaker 4: go and follow me.
Speaker 1: Now, all right, thank you, all right, Christopher Smithman. And
Speaker 1: I've said it in the intro. I'll say it again.
Speaker 1: I hope we've not seen the last of that young
Speaker 1: man in the political world tough anymore, in the city obviously,
Speaker 1: and in the county too. For a he's an independent,
Speaker 1: conservative independent. But if I know Christopher, he's not finished.
Speaker 1: And I certainly hope that's the case. Hey, we got
Speaker 1: to take a break for the news button. When we
Speaker 1: get back, we're going to talk to Epoch Times senior
Speaker 1: reporter Janis Heil. She filed three stories. One is a
Speaker 1: twenty page story just about what the heck's going on
Speaker 1: in Minnesota. She's on that thing like white on Rice,
Speaker 1: and you're not going to believe some of the things
Speaker 1: that she found out. And we'll talk to Janis when
Speaker 1: we get back. Mike Allen in for Slowey seven hundred
Speaker 1: WLW ten thirty six News Radio seven hundred WLW. Mike
Speaker 1: allen In for Sloaney will be all next week as well. Well,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what the beat goes on in Minnesota
Speaker 1: with this fraud that they've uncovered out there. It seems
Speaker 1: to me like the thought is there at least at
Speaker 1: nine billion dollars and probably headed for quite a bit more.
Speaker 1: Janis Heisel of the Epoch Times has been on this
Speaker 1: story like white on Rice in my opinion and in
Speaker 1: Newt Gingrich's opinion as well. She is the national reporter
Speaker 1: that's covering this thing the most thoroughly, and she filed
Speaker 1: three stories this week. One a very very comprehensive story
Speaker 1: if you're interested and you haven't. You haven't read any
Speaker 1: of her stuff yet. This one is how Minnesota Minnesota nice,
Speaker 1: and Janis is gonna explain that how Minnesota nice progressive
Speaker 1: policy's paved the way for Somali fraud. Janie, thanks so
Speaker 1: much for joining us this morning.
Speaker 8: Well, thank you. Well, what an introduction.
Speaker 7: I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Up very Christmas, I mean, Merry Christmas to you too.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. This story goes twenty three pages
Speaker 1: and it is I mean, it's got everything in it.
Speaker 1: And as I said, I think the plot just thickens,
Speaker 1: doesn't it.
Speaker 8: Oh, it's hard to even know where to start in
Speaker 8: some ways.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, what's the new? What did you find out
Speaker 1: since we last talked. I know, the fraud is just
Speaker 1: it just keeps going up and up and up. But
Speaker 1: just kind of some of the major points that you
Speaker 1: have discovered recently.
Speaker 8: Well, you know, it's almost like one of those soap
Speaker 8: operas that people were addicted to back in the day
Speaker 8: when we last left our or our bad guy. Here's
Speaker 8: what was going on, and the latest thing that happened
Speaker 8: was just a couple of days ago. Kelly Loffler, who
Speaker 8: is the head of the small business administration wrote a
Speaker 8: letter to Tim Wallash telling him that she's cutting off
Speaker 8: five point five million dollars. Now, that sounds like a
Speaker 8: drop in the bucket, and when you compare it to
Speaker 8: nine billion dollars, but it is, you know, a chunk
Speaker 8: of money that you know. She's saying, Look, you're not
Speaker 8: going to get this money because Minnesota cannot be trusted
Speaker 8: to safeguard these tax payer dollars. So that's the start,
Speaker 8: and there's also quite a few efforts to try to
Speaker 8: claw back some of the money from the people who
Speaker 8: have already been convicted. But Mike, as you know as
Speaker 8: a former prosecutor, the forfeiture process is not a flick
Speaker 8: the switch and you've got the money.
Speaker 1: It takes a while. It takes a while if it
Speaker 1: happens at all. And if people in Minnesota are counting
Speaker 1: on restitution to make the tax expayers, holl I'm telling
Speaker 1: you right now, it ain't gonna happen, and it's not
Speaker 1: even gonna come close. In your story that I talked
Speaker 1: about in the intro of Minnesota Nice Progressive Policies at
Speaker 1: page four, I just want to read one paragraph here
Speaker 1: because it's just incredible. You talk to a guy named Ed,
Speaker 1: just a normal citizen, I guess, and he said, this
Speaker 1: is Ed. There's a willingness to help everybody without any consequences.
Speaker 1: And then you write this attitude made the state a
Speaker 1: beacon for progressives. It also manifested in generous welfare benefits.
Speaker 1: Here it is in twenty twenty three, those programs that
Speaker 1: you've described previously doled out forty six thousand dollars for
Speaker 1: each person in poverty in Minnesota, which is the nation's
Speaker 1: second highest amount, behind only Massachusetts. When I saw that
Speaker 1: forty six thousand buck figure, I mean, you know, ibow
Speaker 1: lost it, and that's forty six thousand probably most of
Speaker 1: our money, I mean national money from all over the
Speaker 1: United States. I mean, that's pretty incredible, wouldn't you think?
Speaker 6: Jeez?
Speaker 8: I tell you just anytime the dollar amounts start to
Speaker 8: come out about this whole scandal, it's just eye popping.
Speaker 8: Another one that is a lot of people are not
Speaker 8: really pointing out or reporting on that. I do mention
Speaker 8: in that story is that Minnesota actually had an eighteen
Speaker 8: billion dollar budget surplus.
Speaker 9: Yes, every bit.
Speaker 8: Of that is gone and then some in just one
Speaker 8: two year period. In fact, they are now looking at
Speaker 8: being in the hole by three billion dollars. And I'm
Speaker 8: telling you, the people I've spoken to who are ordinary
Speaker 8: taxpayers are hot about that, and they are feeling it
Speaker 8: because they are seeing their property taxes go up because
Speaker 8: of the fact that number one inflation over the last
Speaker 8: several years prior to the current administration, there are a
Speaker 8: lot of policies put in place that inflation did go up,
Speaker 8: and the health values went up, and therefore the taxes
Speaker 8: went up. Plus new taxes are being piled on top
Speaker 8: of citizens to pay for these mandates coming from the
Speaker 8: state government. And I'm telling you, people just feel the
Speaker 8: squeeze there. It's it's really people are are not are
Speaker 8: very unhappy. I will say the ones that I've spoken
Speaker 8: to you are, yeah.
Speaker 1: Sure. And that's a theme that runs through this story.
Speaker 1: You know, if you would for my listeners, explain what
Speaker 1: you mean by Minnesota nice and it's you use that
Speaker 1: term in uh a lot of your stories and it
Speaker 1: makes perfect sense. Will you just explain what that is?
Speaker 1: And I guess along with that the attitude that they
Speaker 1: have some of them out there.
Speaker 8: Well, the term Minnesota and nice, I was actually told
Speaker 8: it originated from a type of granite found there because
Speaker 8: it's felled g N E I S S and that's
Speaker 8: pronounced nice. But the kind of you know, manifesting in
Speaker 8: a a way of life, it's almost like the people
Speaker 8: came from Norway. A lot of people there, and there's
Speaker 8: this attitude where you're kind of you're semi warm, but
Speaker 8: semi frosty at the same time. The saying is that
Speaker 8: a Minnesotan will give you directions to anywhere except to
Speaker 8: his own front door. So their hospitality is kind of
Speaker 8: more on the surface. And as that guy Ed said
Speaker 8: so succinctly, when people are wanting to give and say, oh,
Speaker 8: I'm trying to help impoverish people or hungry children or
Speaker 8: autistic children, there is a cultural tendency to just not
Speaker 8: ask that very many questions about that. There's also not
Speaker 8: much of a question, oh I need help. So when
Speaker 8: you don't ask questions of either the givers or the
Speaker 8: receivers within a government system and you don't have checks
Speaker 8: and balances in place, that's a recipe for trouble.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no question about it. And that's a theme
Speaker 1: that kind of runs through your story. At page seven,
Speaker 1: you talk about the former assistant US attorney. I think
Speaker 1: it's his name is Joe Thompson who worked on some
Speaker 1: of the cases. Oh no, Joe tierrab I guess outline
Speaker 1: fraud fueling factors in this case. And then you know,
Speaker 1: here's the weenie, as they say, this is a quote
Speaker 1: from the former US attorney. Yeah, folks, coming from a
Speaker 1: society with high levels of corruption. Of course he's talking
Speaker 1: about Somolians. You mix that with a government handout system
Speaker 1: that has almost no checks and balances, and that's just
Speaker 1: a perfect storm for high levels of corruption. Would you
Speaker 1: agree with me that in many ways, that's pretty much
Speaker 1: the problem there in a nutshell.
Speaker 8: Well, I quoted him for a reason. You know, the
Speaker 8: man did prosecute a lot of these cases. And you know, again,
Speaker 8: part of the whole Minnesota Knighte and progressive culture is that,
Speaker 8: you know, inclusiveness, that whole inclusive thing, and you don't
Speaker 8: want to say anything bad about people from other countries
Speaker 8: or ethnic groups because you know it could be viewed
Speaker 8: as racism. And so when people in the inside of
Speaker 8: the system started to see, hey, this isn't right. How
Speaker 8: is it that this place claims to be feeding you know,
Speaker 8: three thousand kids in one day and they just started
Speaker 8: operating yesterday. You know, when they're asking questions about this,
Speaker 8: they're saying, don't say anything about that. You could be
Speaker 8: viewed as racist or worse. Some of these whistleblowers have
Speaker 8: alleged that they were even surveilled or had discipline and
Speaker 8: action taken against them when they tried to raise concerns.
Speaker 8: So there are many, many layers to this whole terrible
Speaker 8: situation there in Minnesota. But I would like to point out,
Speaker 8: as bad as it is in Minnesota, there may be
Speaker 8: states where it's worse. I'm looking into trying to do
Speaker 8: more of a state a nationwide picture of what fraud
Speaker 8: looks like. Me luck with that.
Speaker 1: One, absolutely, And I think I might have told you
Speaker 1: I've had any numbers of callers on my Saturday show
Speaker 1: saying that and pointing to Columbus, and a couple of
Speaker 1: them said, hey, you know, stand by because something's coming
Speaker 1: out of there too. Have you heard anything about that?
Speaker 8: That is actually on my very long list of follow
Speaker 8: up stories to try to get to. I'm one reporter,
Speaker 8: but man, it was sure to.
Speaker 7: Be nice to have a team of us working on this.
Speaker 8: But you know, we're a lean and mean operation, and
Speaker 8: you know, try to do our very best with with
Speaker 8: you know, just a smaller staff. But I tell you
Speaker 8: what I'm I'm very aware of that. I've heard some
Speaker 8: things about that. I haven't substantiated anything along those lines,
Speaker 8: but it is on my list of things to definitely
Speaker 8: look into.
Speaker 1: You know, the stories you crank out, in the detail
Speaker 1: within which you crank them out is absolutely incredible. It's phenomenal.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, this just isn't some kind of
Speaker 1: opinion piece that said, boy, this is horrible. You drill
Speaker 1: down on it, and I know I appreciate it. I
Speaker 1: think everybody else does too. But one thing too, and
Speaker 1: this I don't. Oh, okay, this is from Joe Thompson,
Speaker 1: a quote that, again I think, kind of just boils
Speaker 1: it all down. Minnesota's fraud ridden programs all have one
Speaker 1: thing in common, and I know from reading your stories
Speaker 1: this is absolutely right. The one thing in common sudden
Speaker 1: explosive growth according to figures, you know, the way these
Speaker 1: the amounts spent on these programs just skyrocket. I know
Speaker 1: one of them I've read in your reporting for supposedly
Speaker 1: helping I think it was disabled children. They were billing
Speaker 1: at twelve bucks or excuse me, twelve hours per day,
Speaker 1: and that doesn't make any sense. And that one had
Speaker 1: explosive growth. Sounds to me like that's kind of a
Speaker 1: common factor, right.
Speaker 8: And that is definitely something that pointed out. There are
Speaker 8: multipleables there in that passage that you said. I can't
Speaker 8: remember some of them off the top of my head.
Speaker 8: I remember one that started at like it was projected
Speaker 8: to cause two point two two point two million a year,
Speaker 8: went up one hundred and seventy million within about three years.
Speaker 1: And you know what, it's just incredible. You got a
Speaker 1: governor who you know, at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: he's supposed to be watching what's going on. There is
Speaker 1: no way that if this was happening in the state
Speaker 1: of Ohio, I guarantee you that Mike Dwaine would know
Speaker 1: about it and would have done something about it. And
Speaker 1: as you said, and others have said as well, again
Speaker 1: with respect to media reporting, nobody wants to be called
Speaker 1: a racist, so this nonsense goes on. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just incredible. What's next on your list, Janis with respect
Speaker 1: to this, I know you mentioned you're going to start
Speaker 1: looking at other states.
Speaker 8: Right, well, looking at other states is a big deal
Speaker 8: all also trying to bring out some more information about
Speaker 8: where the money went. I have obtained some federal court
Speaker 8: exhibits that show vehicles and checks and you know, other
Speaker 8: documentations showing how millions of dollars of the taxpayer's money
Speaker 8: went to things that most people would be pretty upset
Speaker 8: to see, just trying to show where that money went,
Speaker 8: and also about the forfeiture process, how difficult that is.
Speaker 8: One of the lawmakers I interviewed told me that technically
Speaker 8: the taxpayers of Minnesota now on a bakery here in
Speaker 8: Ohio that the quote own is in quotes, you know,
Speaker 8: because that was one of the things that that reportedly
Speaker 8: with purchased with some of these ill gotten games.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: And it goes on and on and on. I know
Speaker 1: you don't do politics. I know you don't report on
Speaker 1: polosy tetch. You report on facts. But and I've asked
Speaker 1: you this, I think a couple of times before. I mean,
Speaker 1: the heat's got to be building under Governor Waltz to
Speaker 1: get the hell out of there and resign. Have you
Speaker 1: heard anything more about that?
Speaker 8: Well, the one of the Trump cabinet members, Lenna McMahon,
Speaker 8: the head of.
Speaker 1: The Education department.
Speaker 8: Yes, pointed out about these ghost students. Uh, people who
Speaker 8: are receiving a bunch of money for never even attending
Speaker 8: school or maybe even didn't exist.
Speaker 2: These people didn't exist.
Speaker 8: Are you know money going out?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 8: She faulted him for that. Now, in his defense, some
Speaker 8: people are saying things like, you know, the head guy
Speaker 8: can't know everything. But when there, when it's this multifaceted,
Speaker 8: a lot of people are saying, in fact what you said,
Speaker 8: which is that they believe he had to at least know,
Speaker 8: and the whistleblader blowers are saying that they told him.
Speaker 2: And on top of it.
Speaker 8: Yes, there are there. These men didn't go so far
Speaker 8: as saying that, you know, we want you to resign
Speaker 8: Tim Walls, but one hundred mayors in Minnesota banded together
Speaker 8: and sent a letter his way. Now, maybe you know,
Speaker 8: I know the public's tired of letters, letters, letters, but
Speaker 8: you know this one, when one hundred mayors are signing it,
Speaker 8: you know that is a much louder microphone in so
Speaker 8: to speak, or megaphones than just one lone voice or
Speaker 8: you know, making a post on social media. So they're saying, look,
Speaker 8: our communities are hurting. This has to stop. We demand accountability,
Speaker 8: and they were asking it of not just him, but
Speaker 8: also the state lawmakers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they have to have it. I've never
Speaker 1: seen anything like this. I've been around quite a while,
Speaker 1: and I think it's just going to keep getting bigger
Speaker 1: and bigger. One thing, I just want to read a quote.
Speaker 1: This is mainly for the listeners of something that Waltz said.
Speaker 1: It's just the guy's just he's not based in the
Speaker 1: real world. He's in dream world three or somewhere else. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is the governor. This is outrageous. I expect political
Speaker 1: attacks in an election year, said Waltz, whose re election
Speaker 1: bid faces at least ten Republican challengers, including Robins. He's
Speaker 1: a state I think rep Okay, here's what he says, Waltz,
Speaker 1: what is unacceptable is actively withholding information about fraud and
Speaker 1: blocking investigations in order to advance a political agenda. If
Speaker 1: there is fraud, it needs to be investigated immediately, not
Speaker 1: sat on, redirected, or used for political theater. In your reporting,
Speaker 1: which has been extensive, I mean relatively short period of time,
Speaker 1: have you seen any evidence of any of that, withholding information,
Speaker 1: blocking investigations in order to advance a political agenda.
Speaker 8: Well, it's certainly not on the inside of all of that,
Speaker 8: but no, I haven't seen that. What he's actually respond
Speaker 8: to is the representative Robin's a lady who has the
Speaker 8: fraud you know, Anti fraud and Committee in the House
Speaker 8: of Representatives there in Minnesota. She uh, you know, said, look,
Speaker 8: I have whistleblowers coming to me. They've they've come out
Speaker 8: at this Uh there's like an online portal where they
Speaker 8: can they are guaranteed the anonymity. Apparently, hundreds of whistle
Speaker 8: blowers who work for the state well Welfare Department have
Speaker 8: come forward and made allegations and provided information to her
Speaker 8: and other members of the committee. She says she doesn't
Speaker 8: feel comfortable giving that to the Attorney general or the other,
Speaker 8: you know, members of the government in the state, so
Speaker 8: she gives it to the US Attorney's office. She's like,
Speaker 8: these people don't trust you. The whistle blowing would stop
Speaker 8: if it went to you guys, because allegedly you guys
Speaker 8: sat on it. You are the ones who sat on it.
Speaker 8: Now he's accusing her of quote unquote just not doing
Speaker 8: anything with it or sitting on it, and she's saying, no,
Speaker 8: I hinden information over.
Speaker 1: As soon as we investigate that it's.
Speaker 8: Credible, we send it over to the US Attorney's Office,
Speaker 8: the FBI, other appropriate agencies. And he's after he heard this.
Speaker 8: She said this at a public meeting. That was his
Speaker 8: response that he accused her of hiding information.
Speaker 1: Jeez, well, we're out of time, Channis. I can't thank
Speaker 1: you enough. And I know my listeners feel the same
Speaker 1: way because they tell me how much we appreciate you
Speaker 1: filling us in on this because you're keyed in and
Speaker 1: hope we can continue to call on you.
Speaker 8: Yeah, any tips about Ohio, feel free to contact me.
Speaker 1: The easiest way to do that is just to go
Speaker 1: on my.
Speaker 8: Twitter and you can see it is Janis High School.
Speaker 2: Hi.
Speaker 8: Sl has my email address right there. It's harder to
Speaker 8: explain on the air, so just go to my ex
Speaker 8: account Twitter or go to the Epoch ep oh Times
Speaker 8: and you can try to find me on there.
Speaker 1: Sounds good, thanks, Javis, Thank you. Okay, all right, boy,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. Like I said, the plot thickens
Speaker 1: and she's all over it. It's just hard to grasp
Speaker 1: just the breadth of this thing, I mean, and it
Speaker 1: just keeps getting bigger and bigger and accountability. That's what's
Speaker 1: needed here, and I hope at some point we get it. Hey,
Speaker 1: we got to take a break. Button we get back.
Speaker 1: Elwood Jones, we talked about it a little bit earlier.
Speaker 1: He's the dude that had his conviction for murder not
Speaker 1: reversed because it wasn't a legal thing. Prosecutor decided to
Speaker 1: drop the charges. Lo and behold, dude. I think it
Speaker 1: was Christmas Eve Cosettin gets DUI runs from the cops.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk to our legal analyst, Steve Gooden
Speaker 1: about that. And I thought we were finished with Epstein.
Speaker 1: Think again. We'll talk to Steve when we get back.
Speaker 1: Mike Allen in for Sloy seven hundred wl the Radio
Speaker 1: seven hundred wl W. Mike Allen in for Sloaney the
Speaker 1: day after Christmas. Elwood Jones, it's a case that will
Speaker 1: not go away, and this time it was from his doing.
Speaker 1: I think it was Christmas Eve. He got arrested for
Speaker 1: OVII leaving the scene of an accident and failure to control. Interestingly,
Speaker 1: it's not up on the clerk's website yet, but you know,
Speaker 1: we're in a holiday weekend, so I'm not reading much
Speaker 1: into that, but here to talk about that in other
Speaker 1: things is our legal analyst Steve Good And Steve, thanks
Speaker 1: so much for joining us.
Speaker 2: Hey, thanks for having.
Speaker 1: Me your your thoughts on Elwood. When you read this,
Speaker 1: I mean I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 2: Uh, you know I could. It seems about part for
Speaker 2: the course right now. Yeah, Hamilton County. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 2: really it's about where we are, uh, and there's more
Speaker 2: to come, you know. I mean the prash, the new
Speaker 2: prosecutor County Village has announced she actually went to the
Speaker 2: county commission and asked for more money to create this
Speaker 2: prosecution integrity unit where they're going to go back and
Speaker 2: look at old cases and so forth. And I think
Speaker 2: sometimes it's kind of a hall of mirrors and they
Speaker 2: get lost. I mean, look, Ella was out celebrating because
Speaker 2: just a couple of weeks ago the prosecutor dropped all
Speaker 2: the appeals and publicly announced she wasn't convinced he did it.
Speaker 2: She did that after years of litigation where they basically
Speaker 2: re examined every piece of evidence, they looked at potential
Speaker 2: greedy violations where things weren't turned over to the to
Speaker 2: the defense all the way back in the nineties. At
Speaker 2: the end of the day, though, no real new evidence
Speaker 2: emerged that cleared him. I mean, it's not like there
Speaker 2: was some sort of DNA that now could be tested.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like another suspect if someone confessed in a
Speaker 2: lot of these old cases, you know, barring some sort
Speaker 2: of DNA that actually cleared here's the person. It's just
Speaker 2: kind of like, look, now the witnesses are dead, the
Speaker 2: primary detective is dead. That is actually one of their
Speaker 2: main grounds for appeal. They have accused him of planting
Speaker 2: the most damning piece of physical evidence, which was miss
Speaker 2: Nathan's bracelet, the victims bracelet that was found in Elwood's
Speaker 2: toolbox and his trunk, and now that he's dead, they
Speaker 2: basically have created this issue thirty years later that he
Speaker 2: placed it there. But wait, we can't cross examine him
Speaker 2: now because he's dead, and that's one of their big
Speaker 2: grounds for appeal. So if this is what's coming, then
Speaker 2: we can get ready for more Elwood Jones type scenarios
Speaker 2: where they're going to go back and kind of rewrite
Speaker 2: history and let all out of these folks out. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: it looks like Elwood was out celebrating on Christmas Eve,
Speaker 2: we get a lot to celebrate, you knows, as he
Speaker 2: shouldn't have been driving his car. It looks like I
Speaker 2: don't know what he hit. Again, we don't have the
Speaker 2: full details. There was an accident and he's been accused
Speaker 2: of leaving the scene of an accident. He's out of
Speaker 2: jail again. It was over in the Walnut Hills neighborhood,
Speaker 2: and so it's kind of nice part of one of tills.
Speaker 2: It's being redeveloped, so we don't know what he was
Speaker 2: up to. I'm surprised to get a driver's license. A
Speaker 2: TI point has been locked up for thirty seven. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but no, there's going to be more of this to come.
Speaker 1: You know, and you just think about it when you
Speaker 1: think somebody have enough sense to kind of lay low
Speaker 1: and maybe Colin Uber, which kind of raises my next
Speaker 1: question about money. He stands to hit the jackpot pretty good.
Speaker 1: Steve on the wrongful conviction, allegedly wrongfully convicted, I think
Speaker 1: you have to file those things through the Ohio Court
Speaker 1: of Claims. What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I lit Agate up in the Court
Speaker 2: of Claims a fair amount. It's a very.
Speaker 7: Strange it's a strange place at the court that.
Speaker 2: A lot of people don't even know about it. I mean,
Speaker 2: whenever you sue the state, you know there is this
Speaker 2: special court up in Columbus you can get a jury trial,
Speaker 2: but only under very very select circumstances. The Attorney General's
Speaker 2: office tends to step in to represent the local county
Speaker 2: prosecutors in these cases. So you know, you know, the
Speaker 2: local folks who are involved, like you know our former
Speaker 2: colleague Mark Pete Meyer and so forth, he won't have
Speaker 2: any real say in what happens. At most be a witness,
Speaker 2: but no, they have a history of paying out these
Speaker 2: kinds of claims. And the biggest problem we had, he
Speaker 2: I mean the taxpayers will have is that statement that
Speaker 2: the miss pillach Er any prosecutor made where she said
Speaker 2: not only did she say, look, we can't if she
Speaker 2: could have come out and said, look, we can't retry
Speaker 2: the case because of these court rulings. Our you know,
Speaker 2: the detective has passed away, we can't really redo this now.
Speaker 2: That would have been one thing, but she actually affirmatively
Speaker 2: said in her press conference or press release. I can't
Speaker 2: recall which one that she is no longer convinced that
Speaker 2: el One Jones committed to cross right. So she has
Speaker 2: actually raised the issue of what they call actual innocence,
Speaker 2: which is more or less just like it's getting the
Speaker 2: check book out. That's just a question how big the
Speaker 2: truck's going to be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how I was going to ask you, would
Speaker 1: you care to Hansward A guess, you know the neighborhood
Speaker 1: we're talking about. For him, it's probably going to be
Speaker 1: a pretty good payday.
Speaker 2: Look, I can throw this one out. I mean a
Speaker 2: case I was involved in fairly recently where I was
Speaker 2: representing a corrections officer, and I can't talk about the
Speaker 2: execut details because he ended up settling. But let's just
Speaker 2: say that an inmate who was serving life for murder,
Speaker 2: not on death row, but serving life broke his back
Speaker 2: because of because of a tussle he had with some
Speaker 2: corrections officers where he was at fault, but the officers
Speaker 2: did not use proper protocol. And again, this guy is
Speaker 2: locked up for life. It was a seven figures settled,
Speaker 2: you know, millions. So if you can if a guy
Speaker 2: who's never getting out of prison, who's fighting with security
Speaker 2: guard corrections officers, can get over a million bucks. You
Speaker 2: can imagine what a guy who said on death row,
Speaker 2: who is now being touted as potentially innocent, might be
Speaker 2: in line for so.
Speaker 1: The taxpayers taking on the chin again you know exactly, Hey,
Speaker 1: let me I mean he might go ahead, Steve.
Speaker 2: You might be the most eligible bachelor in Townward Jones
Speaker 2: and people knowing what's coming his way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a very good point. I think he'll have
Speaker 1: some potential suitors, if you will, right. He focusing on
Speaker 1: the DUI. Of course, the mandatory minimum for first offender
Speaker 1: in Ohio is three days. And I looked, and it's
Speaker 1: only Hamilton County. I don't see any prior o v I,
Speaker 1: very few prior traffic offenses. And it's something like this,
Speaker 1: I think is judge specific. I think he would agree
Speaker 1: with that. I mean, he does have a leaving the scene,
Speaker 1: and some judges take that pretty seriously. But the convictions,
Speaker 1: let's just say he's convicted of ov I and maybe
Speaker 1: one of the others that in no way has any
Speaker 1: legal effect on his murder case, does it?
Speaker 2: No, not at all. In fact, you know, you know,
Speaker 2: in Ohio or in Hamilton County. I mean, typically what
Speaker 2: would happen as you know is, unless the leaving the
Speaker 2: scene in Ball was some severe property damage or god
Speaker 2: for bit enough person being injured, which it doesn't look
Speaker 2: like was the case here. That would typically be charged
Speaker 2: pretty early on you know, a first time OVII offender.
Speaker 2: Half the time they end up being convicted of a
Speaker 2: lesser offense like reckless operation and said to a three
Speaker 2: day alcohol education program, right, which has done privately, you
Speaker 2: like in a hotel setting. Right. So if he is
Speaker 2: treated like a regular first time offender, and assuming that
Speaker 2: the accident underlying it is not serious, and also assuming
Speaker 2: he had insurance to take care of the accident, a
Speaker 2: lot of judges do look at that specifically, then yeah,
Speaker 2: he may never see the inside of the jail cell.
Speaker 2: In fact, they didn't even process them through the justice
Speaker 2: center the other night. They just they sent him home. Yeah,
Speaker 2: sent him home.
Speaker 1: In fairness, that happens quite a bit on those kind
Speaker 1: of charges. But you know, you raised a really interesting
Speaker 1: point about how to hell that guy get a driver's license?
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, uh so quickly I guess, well,
Speaker 1: I'm going to stay tuned on that one. Like I said,
Speaker 1: there's nothing up on the clerk's website yet. But We're
Speaker 1: in a kind of hollowy holiday situation, so I'll continue
Speaker 1: to watch it. I did want to ask you the
Speaker 1: the case with respect to the one, uh man, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you there is so much here on Epstein. It's
Speaker 1: a hard it's hard keeping up with it. It's not dead,
Speaker 1: I guess, is the question. They said. Do OJ says
Speaker 1: it has found more than a million additional Epstein documents.
Speaker 1: Will this thing ever go away? Steve Gooden, uh No,
Speaker 1: it will not.
Speaker 2: I mean our kids and our kids' kids will be
Speaker 2: using the word Epstein as a you know, shorthand for corruption, pedophilia,
Speaker 2: scary stuff, powerful people, you know, hanging out and being
Speaker 2: blackmailed potentially. Of course, you know, we'll never know all
Speaker 2: of it. And I'm telling you it's a rabbit hole
Speaker 2: you can go down. I made the mistake a couple
Speaker 2: of days ago of looking at the at the current
Speaker 2: TRANCHA documents, of which there are hundreds of thousands. They
Speaker 2: are now searchable in a database on the DOJ website
Speaker 2: Justice dot gov. You can click right on it. You
Speaker 2: can put in keywords. I put in Trump Clinton, Hillary
Speaker 2: Clinton and get all that. They and they pull up
Speaker 2: the PDF documents most of which have been redacted, particularly
Speaker 2: any that involved underage people. You know, the faces are obscured,
Speaker 2: but it's it's amazing what's on there, and it's amazing
Speaker 2: that there's more. I mean, this guy apparently was prolific
Speaker 2: in his use of email and text messages and other things.
Speaker 2: He was just he was a constant communicator and kind
Speaker 2: of a mover and shaker. Yeah, and you know, we
Speaker 2: just in every new Tranta document shows another level of
Speaker 2: famous people that he had down on the island. The
Speaker 2: last time came out. There was a lot of entertainers,
Speaker 2: you know, people like you know, early Diana Ross, Michael Jackson,
Speaker 2: which as an eye raiser, I guess for a number
Speaker 2: of reasons. And in a whole bunch of new stuff
Speaker 2: with Bill Clinton, which again does it depict him directly
Speaker 2: doing anything improper, but it certainly undercuts his public statements
Speaker 2: that he and Epstein weren't that close. I mean, they
Speaker 2: look pretty chummy in these photos. In fact, there's one
Speaker 2: in a hot where he's sitting in a hot tub
Speaker 2: with the Scalene Maxwell's who's also serving prison time for
Speaker 2: basically acting as Epstein's pimp for underage traffic t women.
Speaker 2: So not a good look for a former president to
Speaker 2: be sitting.
Speaker 7: There with a woman who was engaged in that kind of.
Speaker 2: Activity, and they all look pretty friendly, and it just
Speaker 2: begs the question of who had wat on whom and
Speaker 2: how did he You know, here's a guy Epstein who
Speaker 2: worked briefly at bear Stearns and in the early eighties,
Speaker 2: never had a college degree, was never actually a broker,
Speaker 2: never had a broker's license, but he amassed a billion
Speaker 2: dollar fortune, had private island in the US, Virgin Island,
Speaker 2: a massive in New York, and have people and was
Speaker 2: managing money for people like Les Wexner out of the Columbus,
Speaker 2: whoes you know, owns these you know l brands with
Speaker 2: half the stores in any mall are owned by Les Wexner.
Speaker 2: How he insinuated himself into the scenarios when he really
Speaker 2: didn't have the credentials begs the question of what he
Speaker 2: had on these people. And that's what I think Epstein
Speaker 2: will always mean. And I think actually the more documents
Speaker 2: that are released makes it harder, you know, to determine it.
Speaker 2: I mean, like I said, even now, if someone came forward,
Speaker 2: if some like ninety year old guy came forward and said, hey,
Speaker 2: I was the guy that engineered the conspiracy to kill JFK.
Speaker 2: No one will believe it now, you know, there's all
Speaker 2: these conspiracy theories. So I don't know that we'll ever
Speaker 2: know exactly what happened. And he's dead. Maxwell is in
Speaker 2: prison and really not talking, and even if she did talk,
Speaker 2: I think everyone would think that that's all self serving.
Speaker 2: The Clintons are lawyered up and fighting their subpoenas. Donald
Speaker 2: Trump is in these all over, but his Justice Apartment
Speaker 2: is releasing them slowly but surely. So I just don't
Speaker 2: know that anyone's ever.
Speaker 7: Going to be satisfied with what happened, no matter how
Speaker 7: many documents they find.
Speaker 1: Politico has been covering it, and they say today the
Speaker 1: DOJ claims the Epstein Maxwell file exceeds one point seven million.
Speaker 1: Now I get it. I mean, he was a high
Speaker 1: powered dude. He hung with high powered people, and you're
Speaker 1: familiar with complex civil and criminal litigation. One point seven
Speaker 1: million documents, though, Steve, I just don't understand how it
Speaker 1: could get to be that much.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, when you when you start playing with
Speaker 2: them on that on the searchable website, which which I get.
Speaker 2: I don't recommend people do it. I mean, I went
Speaker 2: down the rebitue. It's amazing works there. I mean, this guy,
Speaker 2: he's one of these guys that probably I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: just guessing because I know the level of email traffic
Speaker 2: at our law firm. It's not uncommon for me to
Speaker 2: get one hundred fifty two hundred emails a day, a
Speaker 2: lot of them being sales emails and garbage. But you know,
Speaker 2: for me to get like one hundred or one hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty legitimate emails, and I'm just a lawyer in Ohio,
Speaker 2: it's not uncommon. So I mean, this is a guy
Speaker 2: that really worked. There's a lot of emails, and he
Speaker 2: also took tons and tons of pictures. Most of them
Speaker 2: it looks like off his phone, but you know, there
Speaker 2: are you know, he was constantly recording everything he did,
Speaker 2: whether it be you know, his plane rides or his
Speaker 2: guests or so forth. So I mean, of what I've seen,
Speaker 2: the bulk of it are emails and in photographs. There's
Speaker 2: also a lot of financial statements. I mean, obviously he
Speaker 2: was managing money for people and for himself, so there's
Speaker 2: a lot of financial stuff that have account numbers and
Speaker 2: so forth, obviously redacted. There's heavy, heavy, heavy redactions in
Speaker 2: a lot of these. But you know, it's just you know,
Speaker 2: if you think about the way a lot of us
Speaker 2: live now, I mean, most of this activity, you know
Speaker 2: that's there's from the late nineties and into the early
Speaker 2: to mid two thousands, so you know, there's cell phones,
Speaker 2: there's texting, there's emails, there's photographs that way, so we
Speaker 2: all generate more documents than we think. I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: involved in a simple contract dispute locally, and I just
Speaker 2: learned right before Christmas that there were twenty five thousand
Speaker 2: emails in the exchange between the people over at eighteen
Speaker 2: month period. So you know, you just and that's not
Speaker 2: even that complicated a case. So it's just the way
Speaker 2: we live now and have for the last twenty five years.
Speaker 2: So I'm not too surprised by that. It's just a
Speaker 2: lot of them are kind of just tantalizing. They have
Speaker 2: little nuggets that make you wonder. Yeah, but there's so
Speaker 2: far no big smoking gun.
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, and the thing about it is, speaking politically,
Speaker 1: if there are anything that bad on Trump, don't you
Speaker 1: think it would have been put out a long, long
Speaker 1: time ago.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, that's what I think, and I'll tell
Speaker 2: you you know, look, the fact that he associated with
Speaker 2: Epstein and was down on that, you know, was apparently
Speaker 2: on the plane several times, and is clearly I mean,
Speaker 2: they were clearly friends. And I think the quote from
Speaker 2: Susie Wiles's chief of staff and who I don't know
Speaker 2: how you know, it was not maybe the best quote,
Speaker 2: but I think an honest one and said, look, her
Speaker 2: quote was quote, they were young playboys together, you know,
Speaker 2: the guys in their late thirties, early forties running around
Speaker 2: in New York, single guys both with money and uh
Speaker 2: you know, really liking uh you know, the high life
Speaker 2: and clearly, you know, looking looking for companionship one way
Speaker 2: or the other. And that's you know, it's gonna it's
Speaker 2: gonna be something that a lot of folks are going
Speaker 2: to regard as a black mark on the president. But
Speaker 2: the idea that he was either being blackmailed or knew anything,
Speaker 2: I mean, surely, you know, if someone had that kind
Speaker 2: of a skeleton in their closet, uh that and remember
Speaker 2: it would be weird that they would seek public office
Speaker 2: at all. McCall that, you know, Epstein was long in prison,
Speaker 2: but the time that Trump ran for ran for office,
Speaker 2: so you know, he had to know that. You know,
Speaker 2: there were multiple grand jury investigations into Epstein, including in
Speaker 2: New York, multi year grand jury investigations, the documents which
Speaker 2: are gradually being unsealed and released. So if he had
Speaker 2: had some grand great concern about that, you know, I
Speaker 2: can't imagine that he would have jumped into public office.
Speaker 2: And the other thing is, even if some sort of
Speaker 2: document emerges now, his hard core supporters aren't going to
Speaker 2: buy it. I mean, particularly after what happened with the
Speaker 2: Russia situation. It really was a hoax, you know, particularly
Speaker 2: with you know, with you know, with the some of
Speaker 2: the Ukrainian impeachment, which we now know really you know,
Speaker 2: wasn't some sort of an impeachable offense. Right, So there
Speaker 2: have been so many things thrown out him at this
Speaker 2: point that I think he's almost kind of immune to
Speaker 2: whatever is in there. But it's clear he knew him,
Speaker 2: It's clear they socialized, and it's clear you know that
Speaker 2: at one point they were pretty tight. He says he
Speaker 2: broke it off with him about in two thousand and
Speaker 2: five or six. Uh, you know, prior to everything happening,
Speaker 2: and there's really been nothing so far to contradict that.
Speaker 1: All Right, Steve Ryan time, I really appreciate you talking
Speaker 1: to us about this, and I think we'll stay tuned
Speaker 1: on both el Would and our good friend Epstein, and
Speaker 1: you know you'll keep us posted on it. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Hey, anytime, take care of what.
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you? You know my goodness, one point seven
Speaker 1: million documents and Steve's explanation for that is completely legit
Speaker 1: and accurate. It just I wish they'd just do one
Speaker 1: big damn thing to just get it over with. Anyway,
Speaker 1: we will take a break and when we get back,
Speaker 1: your calls seven four nine, seven thousand, eight hundred, the
Speaker 1: big one are the numbers if you want to be involved.
Speaker 1: Mike Allen in for Slowey, seven hundred WLW. There's radio
Speaker 1: seven hundred wl W. Mike Allen in for Sloaney. The
Speaker 1: day after Christmas, Elwood Jones, it's a case that will
Speaker 1: not go away, and this time it was from his doing.
Speaker 1: I think it was Christmas Eve he got arrested for
Speaker 1: OVII leaving the scene of an accident and failure to control. Interestingly,
Speaker 1: it's not up on the clerk's website yet. But you know,
Speaker 1: we're in a holiday weekend, so I'm not reading much
Speaker 1: into that. But here to talk about that in other
Speaker 1: things is our legal analyst Steve Good. And Steve, thanks
Speaker 1: so much for joining us. Hey, thanks for having me
Speaker 1: your thoughts on Elwood. When you read this, I mean
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe.
Speaker 2: It, you know, I could. It seems about part for
Speaker 2: the course right now. Yeah, you're Hamilton County. I mean,
Speaker 2: I mean, really it's about where we are and there's
Speaker 2: more to come, you know. I mean the prosecutor, the
Speaker 2: new prosecutor County Village is announced. Sheley went to the
Speaker 2: county Commission and asked for more money to create this
Speaker 2: prosecution integrity unit where they're going to go back and
Speaker 2: look at old cases and so forth. And I think
Speaker 2: sometimes it's it's kind of a hall of mirrors and
Speaker 2: they get lost. I mean, look, Elwa was out celebrating
Speaker 2: because just a couple of weeks ago the prosecutor dropped
Speaker 2: all the appeals and publicly announced she wasn't convinced he
Speaker 2: did it. She did that after years of litigation where
Speaker 2: they basically re examined every piece of evidence, they looked
Speaker 2: at potential greedy violations where things weren't turned over to
Speaker 2: the or to the defense all the way back in
Speaker 2: the nineties. At the end of the day, though, no
Speaker 2: real new evidence emerged that cleared him. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: not like there was some sort of DNA that now
Speaker 2: could be tested. It wasn't like another suspect if someone
Speaker 2: confessed in a lot of these old cases, you know,
Speaker 2: barring some sort of DNA that actually clears the person.
Speaker 2: It's just kind of like, look, now the witnesses are dead,
Speaker 2: the primary detective is dead. That is actually one of
Speaker 2: their main grounds for appeal. They have accused him of
Speaker 2: planting the most damning piece of physical evidence, which was
Speaker 2: miss Nathan's bracelet, the victims bracelet that was found in
Speaker 2: Elwood's toolbox and his trunk, and now that he's dead,
Speaker 2: they basically have created this issue thirty years later that
Speaker 2: he placed it there. Wait, we can't cross examine him
Speaker 2: now because he's dead, and that's one of their big
Speaker 2: grounds for appeals. So if this is what's coming, then
Speaker 2: we can get ready for more Elwood Jones type scenarios
Speaker 2: where they're going to go back and kind of rewrite
Speaker 2: history and let a lot of these folks out, So yeah,
Speaker 2: it looks like Elwood was out celebrating on Christmas Eve.
Speaker 2: We get a lot to celebrate, yeah know, as well
Speaker 2: as he shouldn't have been driving his car. It looks
Speaker 2: like I don't know what he hit. Again, we don't
Speaker 2: have the full details, but there was an accident and
Speaker 2: he's been accused of leaving the scene of an accident.
Speaker 2: He's out of jail again. It was over in the
Speaker 2: Walnut Hills neighborhood, in this kind of nice part of
Speaker 2: Waldo Hills that's being redeveloped, so we don't know what
Speaker 2: he was up to. I'm surprised he got a driver's
Speaker 2: license at this point. He has been locked up for
Speaker 2: thirty seven Yearah. But no, there's going to be more
Speaker 2: of this to come, you know.
Speaker 1: And do you just think about it when't you think
Speaker 1: somebody have enough sense to kind of lay low and
Speaker 1: maybe calling uber, which kind of raises my next question
Speaker 1: about me. He stands to hit the jackpot pretty good.
Speaker 1: Steve on the wrongful conviction, allegedly wrongfully convicted, I think
Speaker 1: you have to file those things through the Ohio Court
Speaker 1: of Claims. What are your thoughts on that.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I litigate up in the Court of
Speaker 2: Claims a fair amount. It's a very strange. It's a
Speaker 2: strange place at the court that a lot of people
Speaker 2: don't even know about it. I mean, whenever you sue
Speaker 2: the state, you know, there is this special court up
Speaker 2: in Columbus. You can get a jury trial, but only
Speaker 2: under very very select circumstances. The Attorney General's office tends
Speaker 2: to step in to represent the local county prosecutors in
Speaker 2: these cases. So you know, you know, the local folks
Speaker 2: who are involved, like you know, our former colleague Mark
Speaker 2: Pete Meyer and so forth, he won't have any real
Speaker 2: say in what happens. At most be a witness, but no,
Speaker 2: they have a history of paying out these kinds of claims.
Speaker 2: And the biggest problem we had, he, I mean, the
Speaker 2: taxpayers will have is that statement that the miss Pilla
Speaker 2: Chern her maid where she said, not only did she say, look,
Speaker 2: we can't if she could just come out and said, look,
Speaker 2: we can't retry the case because of these court rulings.
Speaker 2: Our you know, the detective has passed away. We can't
Speaker 2: really redo this now, that would have been one thing,
Speaker 2: but she actually affirmatively said in her press conference or
Speaker 2: press release. I can't recall which one that she is
Speaker 2: no longer convinced that l One Jodes committed to cross right.
Speaker 2: So she has actually raised the issue of what they
Speaker 2: call actual innocence, which is more or less just like
Speaker 2: it's getting the check book out.
Speaker 7: That's just a question how big the tech's going to be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how I was going to ask you, would
Speaker 1: you care to Hansward A guess, you know the neighborhood
Speaker 1: we're talking about. For him, it's probably going to be
Speaker 1: a pretty.
Speaker 2: Good play day. Look, I can throw this one out.
Speaker 2: I mean a case I was involved in fairly recently
Speaker 2: where I was representing a corrections officer. I can't talk
Speaker 2: about the execut details because it ended up settling. But
Speaker 2: let's just say that an inmate who was serving life
Speaker 2: for murder, not on death row, but serving life broke
Speaker 2: his back because of you, because of a tussle he
Speaker 2: had with some corrections officers where he was at fault,
Speaker 2: but the officers did not use proper protocol. And again,
Speaker 2: this guy is locked up for life. It was a
Speaker 2: seven figures subtled, you know, millions. So if you can
Speaker 2: if a guy who's never getting out of prison, who's
Speaker 2: fighting with security guard corrections officers, can get over a
Speaker 2: million bucks. You can imagine what a guy who said
Speaker 2: on death row, who is now being touted as potentially innocent,
Speaker 2: might be in line for.
Speaker 1: So the taxpayers take it on the chin again, you
Speaker 1: know exactly, Hey, I mean.
Speaker 2: He might go ahead, Steve, you might be the most
Speaker 2: eligible bachelor in town Wood Jones and people knowing what's
Speaker 2: coming his way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a very good point. I think he'll have
Speaker 1: some potential suitors if you will, right, Hey, focusing on
Speaker 1: the dui. Of course, the mandatory minimum for first offender
Speaker 1: in Ohio is three days. And I look, and it's
Speaker 1: only Hamilton County. I don't see any prior o V
Speaker 1: very few prior traffic offenses. And it's something like this,
Speaker 1: I think is judge specific. I think he would agree
Speaker 1: with that. I mean, he does have a leaving the scene,
Speaker 1: and some judges take that pretty seriously. But the convictions,
Speaker 1: let's just say he's convicted of OVI and maybe one
Speaker 1: of the others that in no way has any legal
Speaker 1: effect on his murder case, does it?
Speaker 2: No, not at all? In fact, you know, you know,
Speaker 2: in Ohio or in Hamilton County. I mean typically what
Speaker 2: would happen, as you know, is unless the leaving the
Speaker 2: scene involves some severe property damage or god for bit
Speaker 2: enough person being injured, which it doesn't look like was
Speaker 2: the case here, that would typically be charged pretty early
Speaker 2: on you know, a first time OVII offender. Half the
Speaker 2: time they end up being convicted of a lesser offense
Speaker 2: like reckless operation and said to a three day alcohol
Speaker 2: education program, right, which has done private what do you
Speaker 2: like in a hotel setting? Right? So, if he is
Speaker 2: treated like a regular first time offender, and assuming that
Speaker 2: the accident underlying it is not serious, and also assuming
Speaker 2: he had insurance to take care of the accident, a
Speaker 2: lot of judges do look at that share specifically, then yeah,
Speaker 2: he may never see the inside of the jail cell.
Speaker 2: In fact, they didn't even process him through the justice
Speaker 2: center the other night. They just they sent him home.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in in fairness, that happens quite a bit on
Speaker 1: those kind of charges. But you know, you raised a
Speaker 1: really interesting point about how the hell that guy get
Speaker 1: a driver's license. I mean, you know, uh so quickly
Speaker 1: I guess, well, I'm going to stay tuned.
Speaker 7: On that one.
Speaker 1: Like I said, there's nothing up on the clerk's website yet,
Speaker 1: but we're in a kind of hollowy holiday situation, so
Speaker 1: I'll continue to watch it. I did want to ask
Speaker 1: you the case with respect to the one man. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you there is so much here on it's a
Speaker 1: hard it's hard keeping up with it. It's not dead,
Speaker 1: I guess, is the question. They said. DJ says it
Speaker 1: has found more than a million additional Epstein documents. Will
Speaker 1: this thing ever go away, Steve Gooden.
Speaker 2: Uh No, it will not. I mean, our kids and
Speaker 2: our kids' kids will be using the word Epstein as
Speaker 2: a you know, shorthand for corruption, pedophilia, scary stuff, powerful people,
Speaker 2: you know, hanging out and being blackmailed potentially. Of course,
Speaker 2: you know, we'll never know all of it. And I'm
Speaker 2: telling you it's a rabbit hole you can go down.
Speaker 2: I made the mistake a couple of days ago of
Speaker 2: looking at the at the current Trancher documents, of which
Speaker 2: there are hundreds of thousands are They are now searchable
Speaker 2: in a database on the DJ website Justice dot gov.
Speaker 2: You can click right on it. You can put in keywords.
Speaker 2: I put in Trump Clinton, Hillary Clinton and get all
Speaker 2: that they and they pull up the p documents, most
Speaker 2: of which have been redacted, particularly any that involved underage people.
Speaker 2: You know, the faces are obscured, but it's it's amazing
Speaker 2: what's on there, and it's amazing that there's more. I mean,
Speaker 2: this guy apparently was prolific in his use of email
Speaker 2: and text messages and other things. He was just he
Speaker 2: was a constant communicator and kind of a mover and shaker. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and you know, we just in every new Tranta document
Speaker 2: shows another level of famous people that he had down
Speaker 2: on the island. The last time it came out, there
Speaker 2: was a lot of entertainers, you know, people like you know,
Speaker 2: bizarrely Diane Diana Ross, Michael Jackson, which is an eye raiser,
Speaker 2: I guess for a number of reasons. And in a
Speaker 2: whole bunch of new stuff with Bill Clinton, which again
Speaker 2: does it depict him directly doing anything improper, but it
Speaker 2: certainly undercuts his public statements that he and Epstein weren't
Speaker 2: that close. I mean, they look pretty chummy in these photos.
Speaker 2: In fact, there's one in a hot where he's sitting
Speaker 2: in a hot tub with the Scullen Maxwell, who's he
Speaker 2: was also serving prison time for basically acting as Epstein's
Speaker 2: pimp for underage traffic to women. So not a good
Speaker 2: look for a former president to be sitting there with
Speaker 2: a woman.
Speaker 7: Who was engaged in that kind of activity, and they.
Speaker 2: All look pretty friendly, And it just begs the question
Speaker 2: of who had what on whom and how did he
Speaker 2: You know, here's a guy Epstein who worked briefly at
Speaker 2: bear Stearns in the early eighties, never had a college degree,
Speaker 2: was never actually a broker, never had a broker's license,
Speaker 2: but he amassed a billion dollar fortune, had private island
Speaker 2: in the US Virgin Island, a massive estate in New York,
Speaker 2: and had people and was managing money for people like
Speaker 2: Les Wexner on the Columbus, who's you know, owns these
Speaker 2: you know, l brands with half the stores in any
Speaker 2: mall are owned by Les Wexner. How he insinuated himself
Speaker 2: into this scenarios when he really didn't have the credentials
Speaker 2: begs the question of what he had on these people.
Speaker 2: And that's what I think Epstein will always mean. And
Speaker 2: I think actually the more documents that are least makes
Speaker 2: it harder, you know, to determine it. I mean, like
Speaker 2: I said, even now, if someone came forward, I some
Speaker 2: like ninety year old guy came forward and said, hey,
Speaker 2: I was the guy that engineered the conspiracy to kill JFK.
Speaker 2: No one will believe it now, you know, there's all
Speaker 2: these conspiracy theories. So I don't know that we'll ever
Speaker 2: know exactly what happened. And he's dead. Maxwell is in
Speaker 2: prison and really not talking, and even if she did talk,
Speaker 2: I think everyone would think that that's all self serving. Sure,
Speaker 2: the Clintons are lawyered up and fighting their subpoenas. Donald
Speaker 2: Trump is in these all over, but his Justice Department
Speaker 2: is releasing them slowly but surely. So I just don't
Speaker 2: know that anyone's.
Speaker 7: Ever going to be satisfied with what happened, no matter
Speaker 7: how many doctorments they find.
Speaker 1: Politico has been covering it, and they say today the
Speaker 1: DOJ claims the Epstein Maxwell file exceeds one point seven million.
Speaker 1: Now I get it. I mean, he was a high
Speaker 1: powered dude. He hung with high powered people, and you're
Speaker 1: familiar with complex civil and criminal litigation. One point seven
Speaker 1: million documents, though, Steve, I just don't understand how it
Speaker 1: could get to be that much.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, when you start playing with them on
Speaker 2: that on the searchable website, which I get, I don't
Speaker 2: recommend people do it. I mean, I went down the revenue.
Speaker 2: It's amazing work there. I mean, this guy, he's one
Speaker 2: of these guys that probably I mean, I'm just guessing
Speaker 2: because I know the level of email traffic at our
Speaker 2: law firm. It's not uncommon for me to get one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty two hundred emails a day, a lot
Speaker 2: of them being sales emails and garbage. But you know,
Speaker 2: for me to get like one hundred or one hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty legitimate emails, and I'm just a lawyer in
Speaker 2: Ohio is not uncommon. So I mean, this is a
Speaker 2: guy that really worked. There's a lot of emails, and
Speaker 2: he also took tons and tons of pictures. Most of
Speaker 2: them it looks like office phone, but you know, there
Speaker 2: are you know, he was constantly recording everything he did,
Speaker 2: whether it be you know, his plane rides or his
Speaker 2: guests or so forth. So I mean, of what I've seen,
Speaker 2: the bulk of it are emails and photographs. There's also
Speaker 2: a lot of financial statements. I mean, obviously he was
Speaker 2: managing money for people and for himself, so there's a
Speaker 2: lot of financial stuff that have account numbers and so
Speaker 2: forth obviously redacted. There's heavy, heavy, heavy redactions in a
Speaker 2: lot of these. But you know, it's just you know,
Speaker 2: if you think about the way a lot of us
Speaker 2: live now, I mean, most of this activity, you know
Speaker 2: that's there's from the late nineties into the early to
Speaker 2: mid two thousands, so you know, there's cell phones, there's texting,
Speaker 2: there's emails, there's photographs that way, so we all generate
Speaker 2: more documents than we think. I mean, I'm involved in
Speaker 2: a simple contract dispute locally, and I just learned right
Speaker 2: before Christmas that there were twenty five thousand emails in
Speaker 2: the exchange between the people over at eighteen month period.
Speaker 2: So you know, you just and that's not even that
Speaker 2: complicated a case. So it's just the way we live
Speaker 2: now and have for the last twenty five years. So
Speaker 2: I'm not too surprised by that. It's just a lot
Speaker 2: of them are kind of just tantalizing little they have
Speaker 2: little nuggets that make you wonder. Yeah, but there's so
Speaker 2: far no big smoking gun. Okay.
Speaker 1: Well, and the thing about it is, speaking politically, if
Speaker 1: there are anything that bad on Trump, don't you think
Speaker 1: it would have been put out a long long time ago.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, that's what I think, And I'll tell
Speaker 2: you you know, the look, the fact that he associated
Speaker 2: with Epstein and was down on that, you know, was
Speaker 2: apparently on the plane several times, and is clearly I mean,
Speaker 2: they were clearly friends. And I think the quote from
Speaker 2: Susie Wiles is chief of staff and who I don't
Speaker 2: know how you know, it was not maybe the best quote,
Speaker 2: but I think an honest one and said, look, her
Speaker 2: quote was quote, they were young playboys together, you know,
Speaker 2: the guys in their late thirties, early forties running around
Speaker 2: in New York, single guys both with money and you know,
Speaker 2: really liking, you know, to the high life and clearly,
Speaker 2: you know, looking looking for companionship one way or the other.
Speaker 2: And that's you know, it's gonna it's gonna be something
Speaker 2: that a lot of folks are going to regard as
Speaker 2: a black mark on the president. But the idea that
Speaker 2: he was either being blackmailed or knew anything, I mean,
Speaker 2: surely you know if someone had that kind of a
Speaker 2: skeleton in their closet, uh that and remember it would
Speaker 2: be weird that they would seek public office at all,
Speaker 2: McCall that, you know, Epstein was long in prison, but
Speaker 2: the time that Trump ran for ran for office, so
Speaker 2: you know, he had to know that. You know, there
Speaker 2: were multiple grand jury investigations into Epstein, including in New York,
Speaker 2: multi year grand jury investigations, the documents which are gradually
Speaker 2: being unsealed and released. So if he had had some
Speaker 2: grand great concern about that, you know, I can't imagine
Speaker 2: that he would have jumped into public office. And the
Speaker 2: other thing is, even if some sort of document emerges
Speaker 2: now his hard course of orders aren't going to buy it.
Speaker 2: I mean, particularly after what happened with the Russia situation,
Speaker 2: which really was a hoax, you know, particularly with you know,
Speaker 2: with you know, some of the Ukrainian impeachment, which we
Speaker 2: now know really you know, wasn't some an impeachable offense. Right,
Speaker 2: So there have been so many things thrown at him
Speaker 2: at this point that I think he's almost kind of
Speaker 2: immune to whatever is in there. But it's clear he knew.
Speaker 7: Him, It's clear they socialized, and it's clear you know
Speaker 7: that at one point they.
Speaker 2: Were pretty tight. He says he broke it off with
Speaker 2: him about in two thousand and five, or six, you know,
Speaker 2: prior to everything happening, and there's really been nothing so
Speaker 2: far to contradict that.
Speaker 1: All right, Steve, we're at time. I really appreciate you
Speaker 1: talking to us about this, and I think we'll stay
Speaker 1: tuned on both Elwood and our good friend Epstein, and
Speaker 1: you know you'll keep us posting on it. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Hey, anytime, take care of my thinky. Thank you.
Speaker 1: You know, my goodness, one point seven million documents and
Speaker 1: Steve's explanation for that is completely legit and accurate. It's
Speaker 1: just I wish they just do one big damn thing
Speaker 1: to just get it over with. Anyway, we will take
Speaker 1: a break, and when we get back, your calls seven
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Speaker 1: tomorrow from nine to noon and I'll be in for
Speaker 1: Sloaney all next week. You know, we only have a
Speaker 1: few more days left in the year twenty twenty five
Speaker 1: and what happens is a lot of these outlets do
Speaker 1: the top stories and those kind of things. Some of
Speaker 1: them are actually interesting. Channel five did one that I
Speaker 1: think is pretty accurate and pretty interesting. Just go through
Speaker 1: a few of these and we'll get back to the
Speaker 1: phones here. Top story they have winter storms blast region,
Speaker 1: multiple winter storms in Cincinnati. Second is a severe story
Speaker 1: leave damage, but I don't know that it's that weather
Speaker 1: related now. The third one is a big, big story
Speaker 1: that's not even close to being finished. Police leadership, shake
Speaker 1: up the city. People are still scratching their head about
Speaker 1: what they think Chief Thiji did wrong. I know I
Speaker 1: am big story. And this one too, This is a
Speaker 1: biggie Rose becomes Hall of Fame eligible. The only thing
Speaker 1: Pete had to do to do that is die. And
Speaker 1: I love baseball, but Major League Baseball is so hypocritical
Speaker 1: on the whole gambling thing. It seems to me and
Speaker 1: many other people that they're just pretty much obsessed with
Speaker 1: it now. Of course, because it makes money. You know,
Speaker 1: if they're gonna let Pete go in or let him
Speaker 1: become Hall of Fame eligible more accurately, they had to
Speaker 1: look at some others too. The one obviously that comes
Speaker 1: to mind is shoeless Joe Jackson. But we'll see what
Speaker 1: happens on that. That's just a few of them. I'll
Speaker 1: probably do some of these tomorrow too. Hey, let's get
Speaker 1: to the phones here. Let's talk to Danny in Mason. Hey, Danny,
Speaker 1: how you doing?
Speaker 2: That's fine, sir, How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm good? I'm good. What you got for me?
Speaker 9: The question I've been thinking about of wanting to ask you,
Speaker 9: when do the constitutional rights start when we're born? I
Speaker 9: would think so, yes, Okay, So for people coming into
Speaker 9: our country legally and illegally, yep, do they get to
Speaker 9: constitutional rights as soon as they step across our border?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Not, of course illegal. No, and if they're going to
Speaker 1: do it right, but they haven't done it yet. No,
Speaker 1: they're not technically citizens. But you know, you got green cards,
Speaker 1: and Biden administration had so many ways to get in.
Speaker 1: That's what's frustrating to me, and I think a lot
Speaker 1: of other people too. You know, you have people like
Speaker 1: you and I we're American citizens. Then you got the
Speaker 1: people that trespass in to our country. They are not.
Speaker 1: Many times, it appears to me that people in power,
Speaker 1: the Democrats, so to speak, they're more concerned with the
Speaker 1: people that trespass into their country than they are American citizens.
Speaker 1: That's just my take on it.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and see, I keep thinking about that that. You know,
Speaker 9: so the ones I can't remember the one, you know,
Speaker 9: the one that was transporting your legals and they sent
Speaker 9: out of the country and then the congressman went.
Speaker 7: Down, he had a drink with him.
Speaker 4: And all that.
Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, I mean he's getting more rights, in
Speaker 9: my opinion, than you and I would get, you know, absolutely,
Speaker 9: And I just wondered about that. And you know, I
Speaker 9: guess some of us citizens to just start raising three
Speaker 9: kinds of heck yeah and saying, hey, you know, yes,
Speaker 9: you know, if you raise heck, then the government's going
Speaker 9: to start eyeballing you in my opinion, but you.
Speaker 1: Know, well they're not supposed to. But I'll tell you
Speaker 1: you hit the crux of the problem. Why in the
Speaker 1: hell are we bending over backwards for someone who trespassed
Speaker 1: into our country. Let's just say your house, somebody uninvited
Speaker 1: just walks in. You know, you're going to give that
Speaker 1: person more rights than you are the legal resident of
Speaker 1: that place. It's topsy turvy, Danny, It really is, and
Speaker 1: thank god Trump's turning it around.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 9: And then one other thing too real quickly, the drugs
Speaker 9: runners that were shooting up, shooting out of the water.
Speaker 9: I think we are to capture one of the boats
Speaker 9: back of drugs are and advertising, say hey he's there,
Speaker 9: and see how they.
Speaker 4: Respond to that.
Speaker 9: It's all common sense.
Speaker 7: Yes, and my dad had a fifth grade education and I.
Speaker 9: Guarantee he had more common US than the half of
Speaker 9: them in Washington.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely, what's an interesting proposition. I appreciate your input. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is the crux of it. And this is what
Speaker 1: honks me off so much with the Democrats. What about us?
Speaker 1: I mean, aren't we important? We're citizens, they're not. And
Speaker 1: of course we are the most generous planet on the
Speaker 1: face of the earth. But at some point you got
Speaker 1: to say, no, no, no, let's put Americans first, and
Speaker 1: I think President Trump is doing that. Man. You look
Speaker 1: over in Europe especially, and I'm kind of an Anglophile,
Speaker 1: so this depresses me. What the hell's going on over
Speaker 1: there in Great Britain. I mean, they're taking their rights
Speaker 1: away right and left and so in Germany and other
Speaker 1: countries too. So much of it is because of unchecked immigration.
Speaker 1: They're paying the price for it now. But you know,
Speaker 1: we are too so to speak, but at least Trump
Speaker 1: is trying. I'll tell you what, let's take a short
Speaker 1: break and we'll come back and we'll close the show out.
Speaker 1: Mike Allen seven hundred WLW