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Speaker 1: Evening and welcome to the Nightcap on seven hundred wl W.

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Speaker 1: I'm Gary Jeff Walker, and you are glad you're not.

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Speaker 1: You wouldn't believe some of the challenges I face every

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Speaker 1: single day. This is not one of them. This is

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite times of the day. It's a

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Speaker 1: Monday evening, February sixteenth. It's President's Day. I salute every

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Speaker 1: single commander in chief except a few, but one of

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Speaker 1: the ones I definitely salute is President Donald J. Trump

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Speaker 1: doing the best he can to make America great again.

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Speaker 1: So there I said it. Sue me if you'd like

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Speaker 1: pick it outside the station. I don't care. Try and

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Speaker 1: dox me. I'll be ready for you when you come. Jeez.

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Speaker 1: So all that being said, a fantastic show tonight. Peter

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Speaker 1: Shin is up first. Peter Shin is the assistant director

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Speaker 1: of the Epstein Justice dot Com. People who are trying

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Speaker 1: to ascertain and to get people prosecuted who participated in

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Speaker 1: the world's largest sex child sex trafficking ring ever run

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Speaker 1: by Jeffrey Epstein, and the release of the files is

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Speaker 1: just one part of it. Casey Fleming, what about the

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Speaker 1: Chinese bio lab in Las Vegas? Cooking up more goodies

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Speaker 1: that could kill the world, all about control. J. T.

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Speaker 1: Young one of my favorite thinkers and writers, and he

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Speaker 1: will be here to talk President's Day a little bit

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Speaker 1: and to talk about the self described journalist Don Lemon

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Speaker 1: and more. Plus the wild man Dan Doyle, who was

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Speaker 1: the president of Reliance Wealth Services and Arena Resources on fracking,

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Speaker 1: What the frack Man. It's a good show. I hope

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Speaker 1: you'll be around with me until midnight. And as I

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Speaker 1: mentioned just moments ago, Peter Shin kicks it off with

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Speaker 1: more Epstein file stuff on this Nightcap. Welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Nightcap on this Monday nights, February sixteenth, twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 1: Gary Jeff. After the Valentine's Day hangover, we have President's

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Speaker 1: Day right on top of that. I tell you what,

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Speaker 1: Hallmark must be making a fortune. But I'm sure most

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Speaker 1: of President Trump's cards came untruth social or somewhere like that,

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Speaker 1: or maybe from the press like ABC who loves President

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Speaker 1: I don't know. The assistant director of Epstein Justice dot Com.

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Speaker 1: Did I get that right? Peter? Peter Shin joins us you.

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Speaker 2: Did, Thanks so much, Yes, the associate director of Epstein

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Speaker 2: Justice dot Com. I'm a retired Air Force lieutenant colonel

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Speaker 2: and a regular working man, just like you and me.

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Speaker 1: Did you send President Trump a President's Day card? Peter?

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Speaker 2: I sent no one a President's Day card. Actually, I

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Speaker 2: don't consider it to be a hallmark holiday.

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Speaker 1: You know what, it's a combination of Abraham Lincoln and

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Speaker 1: I'm not casting dispersions on any other national holidays we have.

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Speaker 1: That they took away the official federal holiday for the

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Speaker 1: which used to be separate holidays, and yet we have

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Speaker 2: Well, you know what I would say to all that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. That's a good point. And the first

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Speaker 1: Talking to Peter Shin from Epstein Justice dot Com, do

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Speaker 2: Only in an historical context, but certainly not in a

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Speaker 1: I would say that is not an inaccurate statement for sure.

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Speaker 2: Well, where we're at is that the Department of Justice

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Speaker 2: Released millions of documents knuck back millions more. Said, there's

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Speaker 1: In fact, I think they're not. Well, many there have

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Speaker 2: Part of the problem here is that they redacted the

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Speaker 2: names of potential co conspirators, left unredacted out in the

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Speaker 1: Well, the owners isn't necessarily on President Trump since it's

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Speaker 1: his Department of Justice. Now he can direct Pambondi to

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Speaker 2: But I and others at Epstein Justice, we've never been

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Speaker 2: There's been a number of co conspirators named identified, not

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Speaker 2: a nonpartisan, really truth and reconciliation style commission that will

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Speaker 2: investigate not to Epstein's crimes, but those was wealthy buddies

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Speaker 2: and frankly the whole culture of child sex trafficking that

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Speaker 1: Well, Goush, you would think that the FBI would take

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Speaker 2: You would think that, wouldn't you, But in fact, the

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Speaker 2: prosecuting those things. You know, the director of Epstein Justice,

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Speaker 2: Nick Bryant. He became somewhat famous from publishing a book

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Speaker 2: called The Franklin Scandal, which involved a child sex trafficking

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Speaker 2: And that's how I got involved in this matter. The

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Speaker 2: bottom line is that that had a very unhappy ending.

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Speaker 1: Nobody went to jail.

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Speaker 2: No one was punished, except for the only victim who

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Speaker 2: same thing happening here in the Epstein situation. We have

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Speaker 2: the primary people who we know are responsible. Jeffrey Epstein

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Speaker 2: the cushiest prison that is available for female inmates in

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Speaker 2: the federal system. Why we don't know doesn't make any.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, every but she promises to tell the truth. She

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Speaker 2: clemency to his And I will say this, Yeah, you're right.

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Speaker 1: Is President Trump's soill irresponsible? Of course not.

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Speaker 2: We have a fullsome investigation into his co conspirators that

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Speaker 1: There seems to be and this is kind of off

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Speaker 1: assistant director, there there seems to be not only a

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Speaker 1: that's also a form of pedophilia. What do you think

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Speaker 2: Frankly, I don't focus on that particular aspect. Of that

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Speaker 2: an enormous interest in transgender.

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Speaker 2: People so literally funding research to influence the gender and

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Speaker 2: there is a link between these two issues. There's no

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Speaker 2: complete and utter abdication of moral leadership in this country.

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Speaker 1: We do know what this country used to be. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we do know about We do know about billionaire Less

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Speaker 1: Wesner's role with Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 2: Well, we know a lot about it, but we don't

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't want his name on my buildings anymore than

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Speaker 2: Of these administrations had an opportunity either to stop Jeffrey Epstein,

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Speaker 1: I agree, I agree with you wholeheartedly on that one.

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Speaker 1: Peter Shin, Associate Director, Assistant director rather of Epstein, Justice

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Speaker 1: dot Com and the latest And I'm sorry there isn't more,

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Speaker 1: but I know you're going to keep on fighting for more. Peter,

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Speaker 2: Such a pleasure to be on your program as always,

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Speaker 2: thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: You bet, you bet. It's the Nightcap and we'll continue

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Speaker 1: in moments after a news break here on seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 1: As I mentioned before the break, our next guest is

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Speaker 1: and he has a new book called The Red Tsunami.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about that in some length today,

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Speaker 1: along with something that just popped up on the newsfeed. Actually,

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Speaker 1: that's right right here in American soil, a Chinese biolab

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Speaker 1: cooking up the next killer germ. For whatever nefarious reason

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Speaker 1: Here on say one Hunter WLW, how are you tonight?

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Speaker 4: I'm great, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: And I want to tell you what I was gonna say.

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Speaker 1: We were going to discuss about this CCP bio lab

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Speaker 5: It could be that your phone is compromised, it's got

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Speaker 1: Yeah, tell me about that bio labs.

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Speaker 1: We got some time. If you do, tell me about

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Speaker 5: your listeners is why are you allowing it? And if

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Speaker 5: it's being done and it's not to your satisfaction, then

439
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 5: you need to get involved. Write your congressman, run for office.

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Speaker 4: That kind of sign.

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00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 5: It's it's beyond most people's imagination that it's to the

442
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Speaker 5: level that it is, and it's it's very very serious.

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Speaker 4: So, yeah, forty police stations. What do they do?

444
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 5: Number one, espionage? Number two they train for riots and

445
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 5: violent protests, and they also do intimidation anybody that's anti

446
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 5: China or anti CCP. They do intimidation, they do persecution,

447
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 5: they do sabotage. All those things out of these offices.

448
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 5: And when the FBI finds out about one and closes

449
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 5: it down, it's open again. Two weeks later, a block

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Speaker 5: down and two streets down. So York has two of them.

451
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 5: LA's got two, and there's about forty throughout the rest

452
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Speaker 5: of the US. And that's really and so there is

453
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Speaker 5: absolutely no way that those should be allowed. Back to

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Speaker 5: the biolab piece of it. The guy that was part

455
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Speaker 5: of the biolab three years ago, he was the same

456
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Speaker 5: guy with a discovered biolab in the Bay.

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Speaker 4: Area in a strips in a warehouse center.

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Speaker 1: I remember seeing that story. Guy, I remember seeing that story.

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Speaker 5: And right, why is that guy not in prison? From

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Speaker 5: that time? I don't know, why is he not in

461
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 5: a maximum security prison?

462
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 4: And then he's there doing And that was.

463
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Speaker 5: In a warehouse district. This is in a residential neighborhood.

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Speaker 4: What could go wrong?

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Speaker 5: And they've got all the nasty strains and the nastiest

466
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Speaker 5: strains of these viruses like HIV anti virus, which is

467
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Speaker 5: the very deadly and contagious mouse virus. They have antras

468
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 5: over a thousand viiles of the worst case worst virus

469
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Speaker 5: or strain of malaria, and all of these things that

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Speaker 5: are in a residential neighborhood in Las Vegas. The concern

471
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Speaker 5: is how many more of those are in the United States?

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Speaker 5: And there are more than just one. I can guarantee

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Speaker 5: you that, in fact, there's Chinese generals that came out

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Speaker 5: twenty years ago saying that we're going to use biological

475
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Speaker 5: weapons to kill Americans. You have to merge that with

476
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Speaker 5: stolen stolen DNA databases of over one hundred million people worldwide.

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Speaker 4: Well why are they stealing that?

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Speaker 5: Well, number one, from blackmail information to blackmail you based

479
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 5: on your file, but also to ethnic cleans populations. The

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Speaker 5: Han Chinese is the most favored elegant in their words,

481
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Speaker 5: most favored elegant race in history, and all other races

482
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Speaker 5: are either going to be subservient or that they will

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Speaker 5: be eradicated. So of course course you know, you know

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Speaker 5: COVID one and then you have COVID two, COVID three,

485
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Speaker 5: and I know the listeners just sounds like it's way

486
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Speaker 5: over the top. And to those of us in the

487
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 5: intelligence community, this is just another Monday. So that's what

488
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Speaker 5: people need to understand, those of us that are working this,

489
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Speaker 5: this is no surprise. It's part of the master plan

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Speaker 5: and the master roadmap. But when it hits the news,

491
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 5: COVID nineteen hits, it's a big shock to everybody. And

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Speaker 5: so on the question that the answer back to the

493
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,959
Speaker 5: audience is, you know, keep an eye open for the

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Speaker 5: next engineered crisis, which is all meant for power and

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Speaker 5: control over the people.

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Speaker 4: So that's what's going on.

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Speaker 5: And I am not a conspiracy theorist, but we I

498
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Speaker 5: laid this out in the book because no one else would,

499
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Speaker 5: and everybody needed to have these dots connected so they

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Speaker 5: can have a framework to really decode what's going on

501
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 5: every day.

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Speaker 1: Kasey, let me ask you this. Do you believe that

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Speaker 1: COVID nineteen was spread here on purpose by the communist

504
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Speaker 1: Chinese and around the world. But part of the reason

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Speaker 1: that they introduced it was to keep President Trump out

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Speaker 1: of office? Was that part of the reason at the time,

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Speaker 1: because President Trump seemed to be a little bit more

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Speaker 1: hardline than a Joe Biden.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was part of it.

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Speaker 5: We believe that that is part of it, because you

511
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 5: can't separate, you know, crises from what's behind them and

512
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 5: who engineered these crises. We know that that it was

513
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Speaker 5: an engineered bio weapon out of the Wuhan lab. We

514
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Speaker 5: know that they took viruses and populated that lab with

515
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 5: viruses from the US, Canada and a few other sundry places.

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Speaker 4: But it's all that is all by design.

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Speaker 5: The issue is what about virus two, virus three, And

518
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 5: there are levels of viruses that will continue to kill

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Speaker 5: off DNA populations. So, in other words, this racial strain

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00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 5: or this racial population. There was a movie that came

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00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 5: out last summer called Unrestricted War, which is the basis

522
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 5: of the Unrestricted Wars, the basis of the book, but

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00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 5: it covers many of the different methods, not just bio weapons.

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Speaker 5: And I was on a panel on Capitol Hill when

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00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 5: we had congressmen watching this movie and it discussed it

526
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 5: used COVID as a subject matter or a storyline to

527
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 5: basically to explode that out and to explore that both

528
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Speaker 5: from inside China and outside China. But that is that's

529
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Speaker 5: who our enemy is. And your enemy hates you, your

530
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 5: enemy teaches their children to hate you. We were snookered

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Speaker 5: by them back when we allowed them. We normalized relations

532
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 5: with Nixon and Kissinger, and then Clinton let him.

533
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 4: Into to the WTO and then the rest is history.

534
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 5: We want we thought by allowing them part of the

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Speaker 5: world order and the world economy, we thought they'd straighten

536
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Speaker 5: their act up and be democratic, And it's just the opposite.

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00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 5: They've and it's their words. They weaponize everything against.

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Speaker 1: The West, no doubt about it. If you want to

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00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: talk about what's what's really wild is you see these

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Speaker 1: people Americans protesting in America against what they call our

541
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Speaker 1: racist policies on immigration. You name it, the racist word

542
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,239
Speaker 1: always comes up. But is there a population that is

543
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Speaker 1: more if you define bigotry the way the dictionary does racism.

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00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: Is there a population in the world that is more

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Speaker 1: closed and more racist than the communist Chinese? You talked

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Speaker 1: about the Hans Chinese.

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Speaker 5: Yea, Now they make Hitler look like a kindergarten teacher.

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00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, China.

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Speaker 5: These communists scare the hell out of Russian communists, which

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00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 5: they're based.

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Speaker 4: They're basis is.

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Speaker 5: Russian communism, but they take it to a whole new level.

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00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 5: So they are they are the dark and evil peace

554
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 5: of it. I'll bring something else out, which which if

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00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 5: you really want to know the big picture, those those

556
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 5: are the folks in the religious cycle and the spiritual world,

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00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 5: God versus Satan. Most people don't understand that communism is

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Speaker 5: a religion on its faith, and it's in its totalitary

559
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 5: and and it's total so it's you have to worship

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Speaker 5: the head of the state as God with a little

561
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 5: G and the head of the state is the only God,

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Speaker 5: and all other religions are banned, and they they've gone

563
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 5: through and banned churches, crosses, synagogue, Stara, David, you name it.

564
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Speaker 5: And so you have to worship the head of the state.

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Speaker 5: There is no other God. And that's the other thing

566
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Speaker 5: is they hate the Uh, the Fallen Gong and Shen

567
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 5: Yung Dance Company because they do not adopt they do

568
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Speaker 5: not adopt the Chinese Chairman as God.

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Speaker 4: They're just peaceful meditators.

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Speaker 5: But they're also subject to extreme live human human organ transplants.

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Speaker 5: So that's how the Chinese treat people that are not

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Speaker 5: completely worshiping the the head of the state. So for

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Speaker 5: them to for that to be in play, and the

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Speaker 5: Chinese Communism is a is the only religion, then that

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Speaker 5: means they're just by deduction, that means they're anti Christ

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Speaker 5: and anti God. Well, if you're anti Christ and you're

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Speaker 5: anti God, that's there's only one one description of who

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00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 5: you really are.

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Speaker 1: You are the hand of Satan. Yep, absolutely, I agree

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00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: with exactly exactly.

581
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Speaker 5: So if you believe in God, h that means your

582
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 5: team God with the Big G. And that means you

583
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 5: can't have socialism. You can't have democratic socialism, which is

584
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,720
Speaker 5: just another word communism. You can't have it both ways.

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00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 5: You're either team God or your team Satan. And that

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00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 5: if you want to boil it out in you know,

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00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 5: away from the economy, away from strategy, away from all that,

588
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 5: and you just want to open up the religious books.

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00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 5: On its face, it's the hand of Satan versus the

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00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 5: hand of God. And that's and then a lot of

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00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,439
Speaker 5: people think that we're in the end times and so on.

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00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 4: But there's only two sides of the coin.

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00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 5: You're either with freedom and liberty and God and that

594
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 5: operating system is capitalism, or the other side of the

595
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 5: coin is communism and that operating and it's anti God Antichrist,

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00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 5: and that that's the communist operating system. So that there's

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Speaker 5: the only two. So you've got the new World order

598
00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 5: that wants communism to defeat and replace the new world

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00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 5: order that's based on international rules and freedom.

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Speaker 1: Casey Fleming is our guest. The book is the Red Tsunami, Yes,

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Speaker 1: about the communist Chinese Party and the storm that we're

602
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: in the middle of right now. Not that is coming,

603
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: but we're in the middle of right now he believes,

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Speaker 1: and I would concur with all of the things we've

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00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: been talking about. Casey. Finally, you mentioned democrats socialists, and

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00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: it is strictly another term for communism, and people don't

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00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: understand that, or maybe they do, and they're okay with

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00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: communism in this country because they say capitalism has failed.

609
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: But the communist Chinese Party is totally behind this democrat

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Speaker 1: socialist movement that has been getting traction in American politics.

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00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 5: Correct, hundred percent, the Chinese Communist Party is behind and

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00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 5: several of their plants, which one of them is in America,

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Speaker 5: and that's subservient to the Chinese Communist Party. Nevill Roy Singham,

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Speaker 5: You've got yourge services, put money in, You've got NGOs

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00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 5: that are all behind Minneapolis, and then then the next

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Speaker 5: flashpoint would be Chicago or New York. We're here in

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00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 5: Portland could go up as well with these violent, violent protests.

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00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 5: This is all communism on the streets of America, on

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Speaker 5: sovereign US soil. So why we allow foreign entity to

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00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 5: provide foreign influence not just on our streets in radical

621
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 5: violence and riots. Why do we allow foreign influence inside

622
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 5: of our Congress? Why do we allow for an influence

623
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Speaker 5: inside of our Wall Street and inside of our military,

624
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 5: and all of that must be banned if we're ever

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00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 5: going to continue to be a free nation. So these

626
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 5: are all methods, and this is the framework that I

627
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 5: described in the book. These are all methods to destroy

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00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 5: your freedom. And they get to the young people and

629
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Speaker 5: they say, and they they all, this is propaganda that

630
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 5: America has failed. The capitalism is a failure. It needs

631
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Speaker 5: to be replaced. It's the most unequal thing in the world.

632
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 5: Replace it with communism. The only issue is communist. Communism

633
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 5: has never succeeded. They provide this utopia to everyone and

634
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 5: then once you're into it, just ask the people of Cuba, Venezuela, China, Russia,

635
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 5: ask them how that's been for them, and all the other.

636
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 4: Different flavors of.

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00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 5: Communism that has never ever succeeded. And yes, Marxism and

638
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 5: socialism is there's the same train as communism. Marxism and socialism.

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00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 5: We call it suicide because you vote in those people

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00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 5: because of their propaganda and their their plan for utopia

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00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,240
Speaker 5: for everyone. And then when it gets to the final stage,

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00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 5: it's just the hammer of communism. The state comes in.

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00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 5: You do what we tell you to do or we

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Speaker 5: kill you.

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00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 4: So that's suicide versus murder to your freedom.

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Speaker 1: There you go, well, you know, and it reminds me

647
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:13,720
Speaker 1: of that great line in the nineteen eighties movie Loss Boys.

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00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: He said, you know, if you invite a vampire into

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00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: your domicile, you're powerless against him. It's the similar That's

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00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: a pretty good analogy, isn't it.

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Speaker 4: It's very good analogy.

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00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 5: And we couldn't do enough to allow Chinese students in

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Speaker 5: our universities to spy and to steal intellectual property. Chinese

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Speaker 5: nationals to go to university then get hired by US

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Speaker 5: companies to steal intellectual property, not just from the commercial side,

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Speaker 5: but also the military side. We've allowed this to happen

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Speaker 5: to ourselves. And the one thing that I plead with

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Speaker 5: everyone is stop buying Chinese goods and services and stop

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Speaker 5: paying or stop investing with companies who are.

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Speaker 4: Invested in China.

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Speaker 5: The second thing is ban all for an influence, and

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Speaker 5: those are letters to your lawmakers, state, federal and local.

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Speaker 4: And there's a week be a list.

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Speaker 5: Of twenty things to do inside the book of an

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Speaker 5: action place.

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Speaker 4: So it's really an expose and it's an action plan the.

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Speaker 1: Chief executive officer of Black Ops Partners and the author

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Speaker 1: of the Red Tsunami Casey Fleming, once again on the

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Speaker 1: Night Camp. Thank you for your time as always, sir,

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Speaker 1: and perhaps we'll have a chance to chat again before

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Speaker 1: too long.

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Speaker 4: All right, you got it, my pleasure, Thank you, you bet.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you can get that word out often enough,

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Speaker 1: and so we allow that platform here on these airwaves tonight.

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Speaker 1: China is not your friend, face it.

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Speaker 3: J T.

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Speaker 1: Young will be along in moments with a few thoughts

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Speaker 1: on President's Day and more as we continue on the

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Speaker 1: Nightcap on seven hundred WLW run a business and not

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Speaker 1: thinking about podcasting, think again more Americans in the podcast

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Speaker 1: then adds supported streaming music from Spotify and Pandora, and

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Speaker 1: someone is I've come to really, really enjoy talking to

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Speaker 1: over time, and I'm sure you've enjoyed listening to our

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Speaker 1: conversations at least I hope. So that's the point, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: His name is J. T. Young. He writes often for

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Speaker 1: Blaze Media and has a substack account, and the book

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Speaker 1: Unprecedented Assault now has some years on it, but it

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Speaker 1: is still just as viable and just as relevant as

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Speaker 1: when it came out, it's out there now for you

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Speaker 1: to pick up and peruse and own for yourself. And

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Speaker 1: we have a lot of things to talk about on

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Speaker 1: the end of this President's Day. And so, without any

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Speaker 1: further ado, JT, how are you.

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Speaker 3: I am fine, and a happy President's Day to you

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Speaker 3: and to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I didn't get a card for President Trump. I

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Speaker 1: hope he understands, but I've never seen a card to

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Speaker 1: a president before, so I didn't think anyone was really

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Speaker 1: expecting that. Not necessarily a hallmark holiday. You know, let's

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Speaker 1: talk about that just for a minute here at the top, JT.

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Speaker 1: How important it is to salute the men who have

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Speaker 1: been our chief executive officers throughout the history of this country.

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Speaker 1: And the thing that I always, you know, think about

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Speaker 1: when I think about whoever has assumed that mannle of

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Speaker 1: responsibility is the president is pretty much in charge of

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Speaker 1: the country, not like a king, not a dictator, but

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Speaker 1: he's in charge of the executive branch, and he decides

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Speaker 1: the direction and the tone and tambre of the country

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Speaker 1: in his term. He sets the agenda. It's up to

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Speaker 1: Congress to pass the laws, hopefully that are fulfilling the

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Speaker 1: agenda of the person that we've elected to be in

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Speaker 1: charge of the government, and then the Supreme in Court,

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Speaker 1: the judicial branch, then judicates whether these laws or these

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Speaker 1: agendas are past constitutional muster. But people often forget, they

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Speaker 1: think the Congress is in charge. Now, Congress is in

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Speaker 1: charge of making laws and leving taxes, but it's at

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Speaker 1: the president's direction most often. Is in the case with

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Speaker 1: this president, there's some problems, aren't there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know, it's an interesting conversation that

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Speaker 3: we could go on for a long time. And you

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Speaker 3: certainly mentioned the book Unprecedented Assault. In it, I certainly

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Speaker 3: make mention of the fact that you know, for the

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Speaker 3: large portion of America's history, we had a very small

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Speaker 3: government model, and the president obviously was commander in chief

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Speaker 3: of the armed forces, and he handled the executive branch.

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Speaker 3: But the executive branch used to be extremely small. And

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Speaker 3: what you've decid described is exactly what has grown up

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Speaker 3: over the last century at really at the gifting of Congress.

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Speaker 3: The Congress has created through its legislation, through its deferral

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Speaker 3: of regulation to the executive branch. They have made the

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Speaker 3: presidency the office that we all know. Now you and

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Speaker 3: I and your listeners, the only one we're familiar with

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Speaker 3: is a greatly enlarged executive branch and a very powerful presidency.

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Speaker 1: Well, Andrew Jackson, for example, had a very powerful presidency

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Speaker 1: in that he personally bankrupted a national bank and sold

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Speaker 1: a bunch of sold a bunch of land to balance

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Speaker 1: the budget, the federal budget. Many people say that Andrew

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Speaker 1: Jackson was out of line for that in historical perspective,

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Speaker 1: do you think that the case?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, Andrew Jackson was you know, I can

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Speaker 3: remember we're paraphrasing here in regards to the Supreme Court,

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Speaker 3: you know, against the Supreme Court decision. He basically acknowledged

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Speaker 3: it and then said, let let's see them enforce it.

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Speaker 3: You know, Andrew Jackson was, as you said, a very powerful,

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Speaker 3: a very dynamic president. He stared down South Carolina over

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Speaker 3: the nullification approach that they have, which was that states

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Speaker 3: could pick and choose which laws they wanted to to back.

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Speaker 3: And Andrew Jackson said, you know, no, that's absolutely not

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Speaker 3: the case. So yeah, Andrew Jackson was absolutely very dynamic,

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Speaker 3: very strong, and I think you know, before we had this,

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Speaker 3: the revision of American history would have been seen as

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Speaker 3: one of America's greatest president for the aggressive wielding of

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Speaker 3: his power. You know, you forget that he was a

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Speaker 3: war hero. He basically won the War of eighteen twelve

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Speaker 3: for America. Had not the Battle of New Orleans come

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Speaker 3: out the way it did, which was actually bought after

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Speaker 3: the war had been ended, it's hard to imagine that

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Speaker 3: the British would have then just returned to New Orleans.

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Speaker 3: And without New Orleans, the US would have been basically,

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Speaker 3: you know, strangled the Mississippi River. Control of the Mississippi

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Speaker 3: River would have been in the hands of the British.

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Speaker 3: So he's a fascinating president. It's a great one to

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Speaker 3: bring up on President's.

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Speaker 1: Day, you know. And it's uh, be careful if you're

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Speaker 1: an enemy or a foe and you cut off part

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Speaker 1: of a teenager's ear when they're when they're young, because

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Speaker 1: they never forget it. And Andrew Jackson definitely did not

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Speaker 1: forget about what happened to him as a young man

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Speaker 1: during the Revolutionary War and the British.

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Speaker 3: For that being ordered to polish a British officers boots

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Speaker 3: and he refused, and, as you said, was slashed across

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Speaker 3: the face with a with a with a sword. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and he carried out all his life. He also carried

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Speaker 3: a bullet in him from an altercation that he had

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Speaker 3: with someone else. I mean he was there was a

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Speaker 3: reason they called him Old Hickory.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was definitely battle tested. One of my favorites.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 1: In your opinion and analysis on Blaze Media, the latest

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Speaker 1: piece from I Guess Friday is about school choice and

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Speaker 1: you say, when parents pay twice to escape public schools,

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Speaker 1: the verdict is in And you say, the real divide

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Speaker 1: isn't red versus blue, it's who can afford to get

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Speaker 1: out talk about that. I will for a moment.

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Speaker 3: You're absolutely right. I mean, this is this is seen

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Speaker 3: and study after study in state after state that what

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Speaker 3: we're seeing. And we're talking in that piece which was

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Speaker 3: on Blaze Media in regards to what was going on

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Speaker 3: in the state of Massachusetts and a bluest of blue

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Speaker 3: states that has no school or at least no private

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Speaker 3: school choice, but only public school choice. You can move

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Speaker 3: within that. But what they had seen was a decamping

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Speaker 3: from the public schools of people from the wealthier areas

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Speaker 3: who could afford to go. We're leaving public schools to

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Speaker 3: go to private schools or go to charter schools, or

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Speaker 3: go to homeschooling. But they were basically leaving the system,

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Speaker 3: and they were leaving the system in greater numbers than

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Speaker 3: people in some of the lower income areas, which is

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Speaker 3: all amazing because if you look at national rankings, Massachusetts

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Speaker 3: usually ranks up very highly and they're public schooling. And

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Speaker 3: so the point being here that even there that state,

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Speaker 3: if they have the means, they're leaving. And so that

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Speaker 3: was the gist of the That was the gist of

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Speaker 3: the article. You certainly see it happening in states where

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Speaker 3: they have a loud school choice that parents could use

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Speaker 3: tax tax money to move into a private school area.

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Speaker 3: But this is in a state where that doesn't exist,

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Speaker 3: and it's still happening.

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Speaker 1: Right well, you know, it's it's basically the same thing

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Speaker 1: as the flight not for school choice, but the flight

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Speaker 1: we're seeing to avoid taxes and regulations of these high

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Speaker 1: I mean, California has lost a congressional seat. I think

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Speaker 1: New York has too because of the shift that my

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Speaker 1: gration of population. The people who can afford it, the

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Speaker 1: people that are being targeted as the next big tax

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Speaker 1: goodie by the politicians there to make up for their shortfalls,

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Speaker 1: for their irresponsibility, and they're overspending. You see the same

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Speaker 1: kind of flight not only in state, but out of

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Speaker 1: state to get the hell out because you know what

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Speaker 1: they can. But the rest of us in the middle

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Speaker 1: and in the lower income levels are kind of stuck

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Speaker 1: where we're at because we can't afford to move, you know,

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Speaker 1: just like the parents in Massachusetts can't afford the private

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Speaker 1: school choice because the state does not offer that. And

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Speaker 1: you're seeing the same thing, like I said, in these

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Speaker 1: heavy blue states that are taxing people to death, the

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Speaker 1: ones that they're trying to seek the money from the

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Speaker 1: most are saying, you know, the heck with you, we're

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Speaker 1: out of here.

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Speaker 3: You can see this an issue after issue garage. If

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Speaker 3: you make a great point, you see it. And the

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Speaker 3: piece that I had written was in regards to school choice.

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Speaker 3: You certainly see that. You just mentioned taxes. You see that.

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Speaker 3: You also see it on things like home affordability. If

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Speaker 3: you look, there is a huge bifurcation between blue and

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Speaker 3: red as to where housing is more and less affordable,

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Speaker 3: and it's more affordable in red states, less affordable in blue,

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Speaker 3: And it's an issue after issue that they're all going

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Speaker 3: in the same blue to red direction, and you see

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Speaker 3: the migration following. People vote with their feet and they leave,

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Speaker 3: and it's getting harder and harder for blue states to

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Speaker 3: compete as red states become more and more deregulatory, that

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Speaker 3: lower taxes, if no taxes in states like Florida, school choice,

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Speaker 3: things like that. People also have a long memory as

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Speaker 3: to the lockdowns were far more severe, far longer in

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Speaker 3: blue states than they were in red states that you're

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Speaker 3: seeing on migration to Freedom.

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Speaker 1: You talked to you a piece last week that I

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Speaker 1: just loved and just was sitting there nodding my head

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Speaker 1: as I was reading along on Don Lemon being the

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Speaker 1: T shirt hero, the newest American T shirt hero. I've

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Speaker 1: always thought Don Lemon was a poser, not because I

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Speaker 1: disagreed with him politically, but because he calls himself a

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Speaker 1: journalist when he's anything, but he's obviously an advocate. And

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Speaker 1: this new advocacy journalism that has been popping up here

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Speaker 1: and there with all of the different platforms that are

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Speaker 1: out there, this advocacy journalism that and I say journalism

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Speaker 1: in air quotes here because it's not actual journalism, but

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Speaker 1: it basically is I don't know people claiming to be

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Speaker 1: victims of some system when they're just like I said,

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Speaker 1: preening and posing for the attention. And Don Lemon is

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Speaker 1: absolutely a poster boy for that.

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Speaker 3: Oh, you're absolutely right, And this isn't just a rhetorical jab.

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Speaker 3: Don Lemon's not employed by anybody. I mean the idea

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Speaker 3: that he can call himself a journalist would be the

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Speaker 3: same as any one of your viewers deciding that they

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Speaker 3: want to barge in, as these people who stormed the

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Speaker 3: church in Saint Paul did, any of your viewers would

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Speaker 3: to get together storm in and claim by filming it

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00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 3: with a cell phone and carrying a microphone that they

871
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 3: were acting in a journalist's capacity. And it's a complete fabrication.

872
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 3: I mean, he's not employed. I think a lot of

873
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 3: people trying to remember him from being at CNN, but

874
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 3: he was dismissed from CNN years ago. He's not working

875
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 3: for anybody. So it's a self proclaimed journalism. But just

876
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 3: as you said outside the courthouse when he was being

877
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 3: arraigned because he was arrested in violation of law for

878
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:28,720
Speaker 3: disrupting a church service, he goes and pontificates once more

879
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 3: that he's been a journalist for thirty years and he's

880
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 3: defending the First Amendment. Right, None of that holds up

881
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 3: in what if you watch the video as to what

882
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 3: happened of the nothing short of a storming of a

883
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 3: church in Saint Paul, Minnesota.

884
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 1: He was there for the planning of it. He was

885
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:51,919
Speaker 1: there helping the protesters get ready. He was bringing them

886
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: donuts and coffee for goodness sake. A journalist doesn't do that.

887
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: A journalist is supposed to be an unbiased reporter of

888
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 1: the facts as they unfold, not participants in what is unfolding.

889
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: And that is the distinct difference. Now, you could say

890
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: you're a journalist if you're just an average citizen not

891
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 1: employed by anybody with a cell phone and you're posting online.

892
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: As long as you are just there to report what's

893
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 1: going on, you're not there to actively participate in what's

894
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: going on and get in a parishioner's face in the

895
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 1: middle of a church service. Journalists don't do that, or

896
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: at least they're not supposed to by definition.

897
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 3: Correct, Yeah, you're absolutely right. I mean it's so transparent.

898
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 3: We all see what's happening, and this is the whole

899
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 3: thing with the left as well. They love to laugh

900
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 3: up their sleeve. They know what they're doing as well.

901
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,720
Speaker 3: They're hiding behind the constitution and that was the whole

902
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 3: point of the piece. Again. They're the T shirt hero.

903
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 3: I've got the T shirt on. I'm I'm I'm a

904
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:08,839
Speaker 3: revolutionary until they're consequences, and then as soon as there are,

905
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 3: they spread away problem and hide behind the constitution that

906
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 3: that they are, you know, trashing in action and would

907
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 3: be happy to trash in fact it's given the opportunity

908
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 3: to do so.

909
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 1: The Constitution that they are misrepresenting for the sake of

910
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:30,839
Speaker 1: their protection. I mean, so cowardly really you think about it.

911
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: That's and and I never thought that Don Levin was

912
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: a brave face for anybody or anything he might be advocating.

913
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 1: But it's just cowardly.

914
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a human shield, that's what they're They're hiding

915
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 3: behind it, and you know they're more than happy to let.

916
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,800
Speaker 4: The constitution, constitution.

917
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 3: Take all the bullets for them. And while they walk away.

918
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 3: It's again you and I anyone just click on and

919
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,359
Speaker 3: watch the video. You'll see exactly what's happening. We all

920
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 3: know what's happening. They're claiming to be protesters. He's claiming

921
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 3: to be a journalist so that they can harass these

922
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 3: people over someone who is claimed to be a minister

923
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 3: and is also an ICE agent, which isn't verified. And

924
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 3: the minister they were a protest, he wasn't in the

925
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 3: church at the time they were there. They're using this

926
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 3: to disrupt the service, to create a scene. Jati.

927
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 1: I got to say though, in that whole instant in

928
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 1: watching that video, well, they're being verbally, loudly accosted in

929
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 1: the middle of a worship service, which by the way,

930
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 1: is protected by the First Amendment of the Constitution, and

931
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: they were interrupting there. See, you know, you're rights stop

932
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 1: at someone else's basically when it comes to the First

933
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: Amendment and freedom of expression and freedom of religion. But

934
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: I loved the pastor who was accosted by Don Levin

935
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: and the smile on his face that we're here to

936
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: worship Jesus, that we're here to worship Jesus. And he

937
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: just kept on repeating that and smiling. As you know,

938
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 1: you think that any moment Don Lemon or somebody else

939
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 1: of that group was going to physically attack them. They

940
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: were screaming at children. Journalists do not scream at children.

941
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 3: No, And you know, you know what they were wanting

942
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 3: to provoke, the reaction. They were wanted to get it out.

943
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 3: And to your point as a parent, as you watch

944
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 3: this and there happened to their parents who are leading

945
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 3: their children out of the church.

946
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm.

947
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 3: Amazed the self restraint that these parents had when their

948
00:58:55,920 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 3: children were being harassed. It's just again, I think any

949
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 3: parent who was in that situation, your first reaction is

950
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 3: to rush to protect your child. And obviously again these

951
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 3: people were there to harass. They wanted to provoke what

952
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 3: they got, and they got it. They got their tape

953
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 3: and now they're going to get there. You know, they

954
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 3: got their arrests, so they can now pretend that they're victims.

955
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 3: We know the whole story.

956
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: Well, I hope we get a chance again to catch

957
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: up very soon. JT. Young the book Unprecedented Assault, and

958
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 1: look for him in Blaze Media, look for a substack

959
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 1: account all of its great stuff. JT. Al was in

960
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 1: great stuff tonight too. Thank you so much.

961
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 3: It was a pleasure.

962
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 4: Always great to talk to you.

963
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 1: Gary, Jeff absolutely blessings and have a great, great week

964
00:59:53,240 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: the wild Man lurks. I often get asked by people, Oh,

965
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 1: wild Man Walker, is he your brother? Are you wild

966
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 1: Man Walker? No, there's only one wild Man Walker, and

967
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: he is waiting in the wings. No nightcap would be

968
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: complete with a little bit of a sports for the

969
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 1: out of Sorts, and for that the Billboard Sitter, the

970
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: Sports Commando is coming up next. As I mentioned before

971
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 1: the break, there has been some confusion, and not just

972
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 1: recently but for a while. In fact, as long as

973
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: I've been in Cincinnati, there's been this misconception that somehow

974
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 1: our next guests and I are related because of our

975
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 1: last name. So I'm here to settle this once and

976
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 1: for all, and hopefully the people who are curious about

977
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 1: it are listening so they will know that by all means,

978
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 1: we know each other, but we are not related. We

979
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 1: are not blood related. Wildman Walker, Welcome back to the

980
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 1: night Nightcap and what I'm gonna get at it right

981
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 1: now without any further conversation, before we get into what

982
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about Sports for the out of Sorts,

983
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 1: which is you. What was your mother's first name, Alma, Alma, Alma. Okay,

984
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: what was your father's first name? James James. So James

985
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 1: and Alma your lineage, your direct familiar limage lineage. Yes, yes,

986
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 1: all right. So my mother's name is Miriam, my father's

987
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 1: name is Leo. We are not immediate family. You and I.

988
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 1: We are not directly related. Is that true?

989
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 4: No, we are not.

990
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 8: And you were born I believe in Tennessee.

991
01:01:57,560 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 3: You know.

992
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 1: I was born in Mount Pleasant, Iowa. We lived in

993
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 1: Tenness for quite a while, all right.

994
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 8: And I was born in Ohio at Good Samaritan Hospital.

995
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 1: No, not at all. So I'm always I'm always asked

996
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 1: by people who apparently are either idiots or they're just confused.

997
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 1: Are you wild Man Walker's brother? And I said, well,

998
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: you know, in a sense, aren't we all brothers and sisters?

999
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 1: But God, but from a family standpoint, no, we are

1000
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 1: not brothers, and I am not. I've been accused of

1001
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: being wild Man Walker and uh that kind of uh,

1002
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: that kind of threw me for a loop too. We

1003
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 1: are not the same person. You will see us, but

1004
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 1: we do. But we do think.

1005
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 8: I think a lot alike on a lot of subjects,

1006
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 8: which is good.

1007
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 1: You get a case of the goo. I get a

1008
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 1: case of the goo. And the Wendy.

1009
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 8: Walker, who was uh I was on w e B

1010
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 8: the longest time.

1011
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 1: She gets the same quest we we and her are related. Yeah,

1012
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 1: it's it's not. There's no family tree there. We just

1013
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 1: all happened to it one time or another, work in

1014
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 1: the same place. And then again we're confused by people

1015
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 1: from Dent apparently, and you know, you know how people

1016
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 1: from Dad can be Oh yeah, so what's going on

1017
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 1: in your world? And what kind of goo have you

1018
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 1: got saved up for us?

1019
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:23,919
Speaker 8: I'm gonna start out with a case of the goo. Yeah,

1020
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 8: this past or what was the Friday night when I'm

1021
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 8: watching the Miami Red Hawks beat up on Ohio on

1022
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 8: Ohio University to remain undefeated, and those clowns at ESPN,

1023
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 8: the announcers that they were doing the game, they keep

1024
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 8: referring to Miami Red Hawks as Miami of Ohio. They

1025
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 8: are Miami University, Gary, Jeff, They are at Miami University.

1026
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 8: It's like the University of Miami in Florida. They recalled

1027
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 8: every refer to them as the University of Miami. They

1028
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 8: don't say the University of Miami, Florida. And this is

1029
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 8: it keeps.

1030
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 6: Going on and on.

1031
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 1: This it's it's idiocy.

1032
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 8: They're Miami University, period, That's what they are. They're not

1033
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 8: Miami of Ohio University.

1034
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:18,160
Speaker 1: And you know, by sportscaster parlance, by nickname, Miami University

1035
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 1: of Miami in Florida is usually just called the You. Yeah,

1036
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 1: I've been called to you.

1037
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 8: And then here's the other thing. You've got these people

1038
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 8: out there. I don't know where it started. And I

1039
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 8: know there's a certain person on yours on Wow, likes

1040
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 8: to refer to it. I think he thinks he's a

1041
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 8: funny man. But the New York Football Giants. So let

1042
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 8: me tell you something about the New York Football Giants.

1043
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 8: At one time, New York had two baseball teams, had

1044
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 8: two teams, football team, baseball team named the Giants. Well,

1045
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 8: the New York Baseball Giants. They moved to San Francisco

1046
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 8: in nineteen fifty seven. Okay, they've been gone. So where

1047
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 8: is this New York Football Giants crap coming up?

1048
01:04:58,480 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 1: I don't get it.

1049
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 8: You know, it's it's it's not cute, it's it sounds stupid.

1050
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 8: And if you look at the New York Giants logo,

1051
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 8: it's got.

1052
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 1: A big n y and that's it. And I don't.

1053
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 8: They don't refer to them as the New York Football

1054
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 8: Giants on their website. They're the New York Giants. I'm

1055
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 8: sick and tired of hearing that.

1056
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:16,560
Speaker 6: Well.

1057
01:05:16,600 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 1: I mean, if if the word football needed to be

1058
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 1: used to signify the New York Giants team, it would

1059
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 1: be like they would be the N one. They would

1060
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 1: be the n N y FG, kind of like the

1061
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 1: soccer clubs, you know, like FC Cincinnati, Football Club Cincinnati,

1062
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 1: or Football Club New York. I don't. I don't get

1063
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 1: it either. Why you have to keep on referencing the

1064
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 1: fact that the New York Giants are a football team,

1065
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 1: although I would say that recently there's been some dispute

1066
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 1: whether the New York Giants are actually playing football or not.

1067
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 1: You got a point there.

1068
01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:00,479
Speaker 8: Yeah, they are pretty they have they've fallen off times,

1069
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 8: but they do have more Super Bowl wins than the

1070
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 8: Bengals will ever have.

1071
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 1: They could distinguish themselves by calling themselves the New York Midgets,

1072
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 1: but you can't say midgets because that's not politically correct.

1073
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 1: Maybe New York little people to New York little people,

1074
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 1: but they're giants, wild man, and there is only one

1075
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:21,720
Speaker 1: kind of Giant in New York Sports, and that's the

1076
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 1: football team, the NFL franchise. You're absolutely correct the fact

1077
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:29,600
Speaker 1: that they may be confused with playing some other sport

1078
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 1: besides football lately, and that's open for debate. I guess.

1079
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 8: Let me ask you about did you see any of

1080
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 8: the NBA All Star Game?

1081
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 1: Haven't watched an NBA All Star Game in probably twenty

1082
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 1: or thirty years.

1083
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 8: Okay, well I watched a little bit of it, but

1084
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 8: I was caught up with the Autism Rocks benefit yesterday,

1085
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 8: and I'll touch upon that in a minute. But the

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01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 8: national anthem, and I don't know who this woman was,

1087
01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 8: and she had backup singers, but it was the worst

1088
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 8: rendition of the national anthem that I've heard in years.

1089
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:05,200
Speaker 8: Why can't they just sing it straight? Why they got

1090
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 8: to keep like trying to act like Whitney Houston and

1091
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 8: somebody else? So why can't they just sing it? You

1092
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 8: go back and look at it on YouTube, Gary, You'll

1093
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 8: probably throw your phone against the wall. I mean, it

1094
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 8: was that bad. I mean, why do they keep to

1095
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 8: messing with the national anthem?

1096
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:21,920
Speaker 1: I have a theory about this wild Man, and it

1097
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 1: sounds like you're going to agree with my theory. When

1098
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 1: you sing the national anthem, it is to honor America.

1099
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 4: Uh.

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01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 1: And when you sing the national anthem, no matter what

1101
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 1: venue you're in, whether it's Great American Ballpark, at the

1102
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 1: NBA All Star Game or even the Super Bowl, there

1103
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 1: have been renditions. There were especially just by the talent

1104
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 1: of the person who was doing it. Let's stand down.

1105
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 1: You mentioned Whitney Houston. Nobody's ever going to sing the

1106
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 1: national anthem the way Whitney Houston did on that particular night,

1107
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 1: and you know which one we're talking about. I was there.

1108
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 1: But the national anthem is not about the person who

1109
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 1: is singing it, absolutely. It is about the country and

1110
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 1: so and I understand it's it's not an easy song

1111
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 1: to sing because of the key changes and the you know,

1112
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 1: it has what do they say, it has no real

1113
01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:23,559
Speaker 1: melody to it, and yet it does it. It's really

1114
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 1: weird and hard to sing. So you want to stick

1115
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 1: to traditional performances of the national anthem, I think at

1116
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 1: all times unless you're with Whitney Houston, and nobody's Whitney Houston.

1117
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 8: Okay, uh right, and this and this and this woman

1118
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:41,800
Speaker 8: singer I've never heard of her.

1119
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 1: I don't listen there with that kind of music. But

1120
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 1: it's like, come on, lady.

1121
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 8: You know you're acting like you know, you're acting like

1122
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 8: you're somebody important.

1123
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 1: You don't get right straight. You don't need to do

1124
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:54,400
Speaker 1: a bunch of runs and to really show how high

1125
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 1: I note you can hit or anything else. Just sing

1126
01:08:57,280 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 1: the song. The song again. The song is not about you.

1127
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:06,599
Speaker 1: It's your moment because you get to sing this great

1128
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 1: anthem of this fantastic country in which we all live.

1129
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:12,519
Speaker 1: And this is to honor the country. It's not to

1130
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 1: glorify you or any or your agent or impress record executives.

1131
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 1: It's about the country. Just sing the song. I agree,

1132
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:24,599
Speaker 1: well spoken.

1133
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 8: I want you to look at it later when you

1134
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:28,640
Speaker 8: get a chance. Like I said, you'll probably end up

1135
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 8: throwing your phone against the wall.

1136
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 1: It's just horrible, horrible. If I'm gonna throw my phone

1137
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 1: against the wall, why would I look at it? I

1138
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:39,560
Speaker 1: peel up. I just bought my wife a new iPhone

1139
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 1: over the weekend for Valentine's Day and or birthday. I'm

1140
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:45,839
Speaker 1: not spending I'm not spending extra money on mine because

1141
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 1: I saw a national anthem I couldn't stand. I mean, Okay,

1142
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:51,679
Speaker 1: I don't want to throw my phone against the wall.

1143
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 1: What else is going on in wild Man's world? Come on,

1144
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 1: talk to me.

1145
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 8: Well, how about the Daytona five hundred that last lap

1146
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 8: move by Tyler Reddick and he pulls Now they have

1147
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 8: had a bunch of crazy wrecks yesterday. And here's the

1148
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 8: thing I like about it. And Lebron James hates life.

1149
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:10,400
Speaker 8: Michael Jordan was the team owner of Tyler Reddick's car.

1150
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:15,680
Speaker 8: Michael Jordan now has a Daytona five championship to.

1151
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 1: His resume, and he'll get a ring. He'll get a ring.

1152
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:21,800
Speaker 1: Does he have any fingers left for rings? Wild Man?

1153
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:25,400
Speaker 1: I know he's got six with the bulls. Geez, how

1154
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:28,680
Speaker 1: many more? I mean, Michael Jordan should open up a

1155
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:32,040
Speaker 1: used jewelry shop at this point. He's got more rings.

1156
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:34,280
Speaker 1: I bet his hands are so heavy when he when

1157
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 1: he has all of his rings on, he can't even

1158
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 1: left his arm.

1159
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 8: That would have been the late Yogi barrow because he

1160
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 8: had one for every every finger.

1161
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:47,719
Speaker 1: Jeez, that's all Michael Him and Bill Russell. Bill Russell

1162
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 1: do oh yeah yeah. Bill Russell was part of what

1163
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 1: nine or ten championships with the Boston Celtics.

1164
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 8: But Yogi, you know, but Yogi has them on both fingers.

1165
01:10:57,320 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 8: I've seen that picture.

1166
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:02,799
Speaker 1: But you know what, there's nobody who's a bigger Michael

1167
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:06,200
Speaker 1: Jordan fan than you're talking to right now. And I

1168
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:08,599
Speaker 1: watched a little bit of the Daytona five hundred knew

1169
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:10,800
Speaker 1: he had like four cars in the race through his

1170
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:15,479
Speaker 1: racing team, and and that that's that's cool. I mean,

1171
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 1: but I I you asked me the last time I

1172
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 1: watched an NBA All Star Game, and it was one

1173
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 1: in which Michael Jordan played. That's that's a long while. So,

1174
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 1: but did you you were talking to? There there's no

1175
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:33,479
Speaker 1: bigger Michael Jordan fan you could talk to except maybe

1176
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:37,560
Speaker 1: his his dear mother than Gary Jeff.

1177
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 8: So maybe Bob the producer. Bob the producer loved Michael Jordan.

1178
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 1: You know what, there's no bigger Bob the Producer fan

1179
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:49,760
Speaker 1: than me either. Well, I see love Bob Barry. Now

1180
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:52,719
Speaker 1: I tell you what, While man, I saw Michael Jordan

1181
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 1: play uh in in college at North Carolina, and he

1182
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 1: wasn't nearly even though he was very impressive as a sophomore,

1183
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 1: hitting that shot that won the championship for Dean Smith

1184
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 1: and the Tar Heels. But boy, once I saw him

1185
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 1: play his rookie year in the NBA, he got hurt.

1186
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:16,160
Speaker 1: But before he got hurt, he instantly came into that

1187
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:20,719
Speaker 1: league and changed the game his rookie season.

1188
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:24,840
Speaker 8: His drive to excel was of none other. I mean,

1189
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 8: every day he was elected like Pete Rose, you know,

1190
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:30,639
Speaker 8: he wanted, he wanted, he wanted it more. He wanted

1191
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 8: it every day. You know, he lived to play the game.

1192
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:38,200
Speaker 1: As soon as I saw that flying dunk shot with

1193
01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:40,840
Speaker 1: this tongue hanging out of his mouth his rookie year,

1194
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 1: before the Bulls had any chance to win anything, it

1195
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:46,839
Speaker 1: didn't matter. Michael was gonna and I became a Bulls

1196
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 1: fan that rookie year, long before they ever won their

1197
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 1: first championship in nineteen ninety one, long before the three

1198
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 1: Peats and what eventually wound up being six World Championships.

1199
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:02,920
Speaker 1: I was a Michael Jord fan on the bottom floor.

1200
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 1: I wasn't a bandwagon guy. I got on immediately and

1201
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:11,559
Speaker 1: followed the Bulls through those first seasons. Man, a lot

1202
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 1: of losing went on, and Michael Jordan was the best

1203
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:16,360
Speaker 1: player on the court, but the Bulls still didn't have

1204
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:19,719
Speaker 1: the team around him that they needed. But once Phil

1205
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:23,720
Speaker 1: Jackson got hired and they got Scottie pippenin fold and

1206
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:26,599
Speaker 1: Horace Grant and some of those guys, there was no

1207
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:30,160
Speaker 1: stopping him, you know, defensively or offensively.

1208
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 8: Hey, I make that comparison to like you said, you

1209
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 8: got to see Jordan play. I got to see Larry

1210
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 8: Bird play from day one in Indiana State because I

1211
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:41,160
Speaker 8: was working in Terre Hooede at that time.

1212
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 1: So I saw Larry Bird from day.

1213
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:45,519
Speaker 8: One, and I knew the first time I saw him

1214
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 8: in practice, what's he doing here? This guy's unreel and

1215
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:52,360
Speaker 8: the rest is history. Look what he accomplished in the NBA.

1216
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:53,599
Speaker 1: And he hate to say the.

1217
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:56,280
Speaker 8: Best white boy ever, but he was the best white

1218
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:57,839
Speaker 8: boy ever in the NBA.

1219
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 1: Larry White, Larry White. Larry Bird's great skill. You've got

1220
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 1: me saying white all the time. Now, Larry Bird's great

1221
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 1: skill was seeing the whole court better than anybody else.

1222
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 8: On The guy was unreal. The basketball sense that that

1223
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 8: man had. And then you know, of course, he went

1224
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 8: on not only to be a great player in the

1225
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:23,479
Speaker 8: Hall of Fame and when championships and MVP, he also

1226
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:25,960
Speaker 8: went on to be a good coach for the Pacers

1227
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:28,840
Speaker 8: who got screwed and that in that finals, I guess

1228
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:30,639
Speaker 8: I've got I don't know who they played, but they

1229
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:32,800
Speaker 8: got screwed in by the Reps. And then Larry went

1230
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:35,760
Speaker 8: on to be an NBA Executive of the Year. He's

1231
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 8: the only he's the only guy in NBA history to

1232
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:43,040
Speaker 8: be Coach of the Year, MVP and Executive.

1233
01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:42,960
Speaker 3: Of the Year.

1234
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:46,919
Speaker 1: The hick from French lick baby. Uh. By the way,

1235
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:49,720
Speaker 1: I want to let you know and have you ever

1236
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:52,800
Speaker 1: heard my Larry birds story before, my own personal Larry

1237
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:57,800
Speaker 1: Bird story? Okay, I'll tell that real quick. I'm in Chattanooga.

1238
01:14:58,040 --> 01:15:02,480
Speaker 1: It's the early eighties and there's a Celtics.

1239
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:04,679
Speaker 8: Did he tell you to get away and wipe your house?

1240
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:05,560
Speaker 1: Or was he nice to be?

1241
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:05,960
Speaker 9: No?

1242
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:09,160
Speaker 1: Here's why I never spoke to him, but I was

1243
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:15,680
Speaker 1: right next to it at the University of Tennessee Chattanooga Roundhouse,

1244
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:20,599
Speaker 1: where that team, the Mox, play their home games. They

1245
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:24,920
Speaker 1: had an NBA exhibition game early in the year, like

1246
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 1: October or whatever in the early eighties, and the Celtics

1247
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 1: were playing. I forget who it was. Maybe in the

1248
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 1: Portland Trailblazers, that's how far back it was. Anyway, It's halftime,

1249
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 1: and I was walking from one end of the arena

1250
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:44,800
Speaker 1: to another along the baseline underneath the basket to go

1251
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:47,680
Speaker 1: meet some friends on the other side of the roundhouse.

1252
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:52,240
Speaker 1: And I wasn't really paying much attention. It's halftime. I'm

1253
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:56,200
Speaker 1: looking down, and I look up just in time to

1254
01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 1: keep from running into Larry Bird, who's standing under a

1255
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:04,240
Speaker 1: basket being interviewed by somebody at ESPN for halftime. And

1256
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 1: I almost I almost injured myself by simply just walking

1257
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:13,960
Speaker 1: into Larry Bird. And I was amazed how big Larry

1258
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 1: Bird was right next to me, because I'm just this

1259
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 1: skinny little kid, basically in my early twenties, I must

1260
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 1: have weighed one hundred and thirty pounds, soak and wet,

1261
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:28,639
Speaker 1: and I almost walked into this brick wall named Larry Bird,

1262
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:34,400
Speaker 1: who's six' nine AND i think two forty or. WHATEVER i.

1263
01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:40,479
Speaker 1: Mean his his forearms are bigger than my, thighs and

1264
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:44,360
Speaker 1: it just WAS i was just amazed and astonished and

1265
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 1: suddenly very. AFRAID i almost walked Into Larry. Bird there

1266
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:52,360
Speaker 1: was no. CONVERSATION i just was kind of embarrassedly, said,

1267
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:55,240
Speaker 1: oh excuse me and walked around them as they did

1268
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:58,040
Speaker 1: their little stand. Up BUT i have a guest coming

1269
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:00,839
Speaker 1: on the show who has written a book About Larry.

1270
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:03,120
Speaker 1: Bird and he's going to be a guest on The.

1271
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:08,719
Speaker 1: Nightcap mark your, calendar Wild man On march, Third march,

1272
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:09,679
Speaker 1: third my son's.

1273
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:11,760
Speaker 8: Birthday SO i THINK i can remember.

1274
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 1: That march, third my guest About Larry bird and his

1275
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 1: great accomplishments and who's who's who's the? Author, OH i

1276
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:22,599
Speaker 1: don't know right. Now let me see IF i can

1277
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:24,920
Speaker 1: Find will you get me a free? Copy can you

1278
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:26,880
Speaker 1: give me a free copy of the. BOOK i think

1279
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:28,840
Speaker 1: they're going to send me a, copy and WHEN i

1280
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:32,160
Speaker 1: get done with, it after the pages are all, sticky

1281
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:33,040
Speaker 1: i'll let you see. Him.

1282
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, well you KNOW i was going to say quickly.

1283
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 8: Here you, know you know you had your little thing

1284
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:39,599
Speaker 8: With Larry. BIRD i was lucky enough by being working

1285
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:42,439
Speaker 8: media TILL i got to Interview Michael jordan a number of.

1286
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:44,840
Speaker 8: TIMES i still have the cassette tapes of me And

1287
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:47,719
Speaker 8: Michael jordan talking and, also you, know talking To Larry,

1288
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:49,800
Speaker 8: bird And michael would always have stuff to.

1289
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:51,479
Speaker 1: Say larry was, always you, know.

1290
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:54,200
Speaker 8: Kind of short with his, answers But michael would go

1291
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 8: on and, on AND i still have those cassette tapes

1292
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 8: AND i was lucky enough to Interview Michael jordan a

1293
01:17:59,280 --> 01:17:59,640
Speaker 8: number of.

1294
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 1: Times Larry. Bird the book is Called. Heartland all, Right,

1295
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:08,439
Speaker 1: Tuesday march Third. March It's Saint Patrick's. Day no, not

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01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:10,920
Speaker 1: it's released On Saint Patrick's. Day BUT i have the

1297
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:15,759
Speaker 1: the interview On march third with what's his, Name keith.

1298
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 1: O'Brien he's the. Author and here's here's the uh the Subtitle,

1299
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:25,759
Speaker 1: HEARTLAND A Forgotten, place An Impossible, dream and The miracle

1300
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:29,759
Speaker 1: Of Larry. Bird once upon a time a superstar emerged

1301
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:32,120
Speaker 1: from the edge of the basketball. Map he was a

1302
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 1: nobody from a small town called French, lick making place

1303
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:37,680
Speaker 1: people had never seen, before at a school no one

1304
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:41,000
Speaker 1: had ever heard. OF a very private. Person he wanted to,

1305
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:43,679
Speaker 1: hide but he. Couldn't not for. Long people called him

1306
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:47,760
Speaker 1: the Great white hope From Middle. America. Heartland does that

1307
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:51,240
Speaker 1: what your? Appetite, well, yeah it.

1308
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 8: Does and of COURSE i can tell you too that

1309
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:55,080
Speaker 8: you know he wasn't you, know it was like he

1310
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:58,400
Speaker 8: wasn't known Because Bob, knight you, know recruited him To. Indiana,

1311
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:00,560
Speaker 8: yeah But larry didn't like this school because it was so,

1312
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:02,840
Speaker 8: kind was so, big and he kind of felled out

1313
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:04,960
Speaker 8: of place and really went back home and worked that

1314
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:06,479
Speaker 8: was working on a garbage.

1315
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:07,759
Speaker 1: Truck and THEN.

1316
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:12,400
Speaker 8: I think It's Amas. Hodges what was his first, NAME

1317
01:19:12,439 --> 01:19:15,680
Speaker 8: i can't. Remember the assistant coach Under Bill king came

1318
01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 8: in and recruited in The indiana, state which was a

1319
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 8: smaller a smaller. School, Sycamore, yeah The. Sycamores and then

1320
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:26,040
Speaker 8: And larry kind of liked the small town the small town,

1321
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:27,280
Speaker 8: vibe and that's where he.

1322
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:29,480
Speaker 6: Went and the restless.

1323
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 8: History, man, correct So Restles.

1324
01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:34,000
Speaker 1: History so mark your calendar and mark your calendar for

1325
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 1: this Coming. Saturday it's the twenty ninth anniversary of The

1326
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:41,200
Speaker 1: Saturday Morning edition party At. Huddles there a newport On

1327
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:45,639
Speaker 1: Mama street open at. Eleven i'd say the primary. FOCUS

1328
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 1: i think the group picture happens about one. Thirty but

1329
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:50,599
Speaker 1: we would love to have you, there even though you're

1330
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:51,840
Speaker 1: not related to. Me wild.

1331
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:54,120
Speaker 8: Man all, right AND i want to make quickly SHURE

1332
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:56,880
Speaker 8: i tell you here About Autisam rock seventeen yesterday at

1333
01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 8: Fred Board brewery and The Blue.

1334
01:19:58,360 --> 01:20:00,280
Speaker 1: Ash it was off the, Hook, Gary.

1335
01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 8: Jeff don't know exactly how much was, raised but they

1336
01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 8: raised a lot of money And i'm gonna get that

1337
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:07,400
Speaker 8: total to. You but all the bands rocked it. Out,

1338
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:10,120
Speaker 8: PRISONER i, mean they just tore it. Up they haven't been,

1339
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:13,320
Speaker 8: together you, know in, years as you, know as the original.

1340
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 8: Band And i've never seen so many smiling. FACES i

1341
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:19,280
Speaker 8: swear To god in one place THAT i did yesterday

1342
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:20,320
Speaker 8: When prisoner was on.

1343
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:22,720
Speaker 1: STAGE i mean it was it was. Epic it was

1344
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:25,840
Speaker 1: not it was off the. Hook, well Wild, Man i'm

1345
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:28,519
Speaker 1: glad that you've got a chance to go and give

1346
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:31,760
Speaker 1: us a full, report and hopefully we'll talk next week

1347
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 1: ats same, place save, time all, right And.

1348
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:37,479
Speaker 8: I've got the calendar Circle march, third about the book

1349
01:20:37,479 --> 01:20:38,679
Speaker 8: about The Great One Larry.

1350
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:42,880
Speaker 1: Birds, yes, sir the Wild man on the Night cap once,

1351
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:46,479
Speaker 1: again and we're not done, yet another full hour yet to.

1352
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:52,360
Speaker 1: Come what the? Frack what about? Fracking? Ah The man

1353
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:56,360
Speaker 1: Who knows and why it's important To america's energy needs

1354
01:20:56,840 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 1: on the way after the next news break on seven,

1355
01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:03,840
Speaker 1: hundred double to another hour of this Night cap on

1356
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:09,479
Speaker 1: seven hundred W. Lw President's. DAY a lot of people

1357
01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 1: are out of the office BUT i found somebody in

1358
01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:14,519
Speaker 1: his office. Today imagine, that because he's just a hard working.

1359
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:18,080
Speaker 1: GUY i would imagine he is the president Of Reliance

1360
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:22,240
Speaker 1: Wealth services And Arena. Resources he's a new book out

1361
01:21:22,360 --> 01:21:27,479
Speaker 1: Called roughnecks Of roughnecks And, riches and it's all about

1362
01:21:27,479 --> 01:21:31,439
Speaker 1: the frac. Baby his name Is Dan doyle and he joins. Us,

1363
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:32,800
Speaker 1: now good, Evening, dan how are.

1364
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:35,839
Speaker 6: You i'm, Great, Gary, thanks, hey.

1365
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:37,800
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on to talk of. It you, know

1366
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:41,559
Speaker 1: The president ran on, drill, baby. Drill do you think

1367
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:43,240
Speaker 1: he should have, said frack, baby frack?

1368
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:47,719
Speaker 6: Two it would, help it would.

1369
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:52,400
Speaker 9: Help we're actually really slow right. Now oil prices are,

1370
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:55,400
Speaker 9: low so, sure not a whole lot of activity right.

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01:21:55,400 --> 01:22:01,280
Speaker 1: Now, Right but as far as giving us the energy we,

1372
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 1: need you, say and you can say with some certainty

1373
01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:10,439
Speaker 1: and some proof personal, experience that fracking is the key

1374
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:15,280
Speaker 1: to making sure the lights stay on In? America yes or.

1375
01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:23,040
Speaker 9: No, absolutely absolutely we have. Been it's just the narrative

1376
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 9: that's been put out by you, know the climate alarmists

1377
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:32,080
Speaker 9: is so, misleading and it's really done a disservice to really, everybody,

1378
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 9: consumers my, industry. Everybody The United states makes over thirteen

1379
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:40,800
Speaker 9: million produces over thirteen million barrels of oil a day

1380
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:43,759
Speaker 9: in a in a roughly one hundred million barrel.

1381
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:45,760
Speaker 6: Market we import, some.

1382
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:48,040
Speaker 9: But we also produce quite a bit of a natural

1383
01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:52,040
Speaker 9: gas liquids and a lot of natural, gas and seventy

1384
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:57,920
Speaker 9: five percent of all Of america OF us production requires

1385
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:01,439
Speaker 9: that it be. Fracked it has to be in a.

1386
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:03,559
Speaker 9: MARKET i, know it's a hundred million barrels a, day

1387
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:06,439
Speaker 9: but in a market where a million barrels suddenly on

1388
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:10,920
Speaker 9: or suddenly off can wildly swing oil. Prices it's that tightly.

1389
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 9: Priced if you were to remove fracking entirely from the

1390
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:18,080
Speaker 9: states like states you, Know New york doesn't allow, It

1391
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:24,360
Speaker 9: illinois doesn't allow horizontal high rate, fracking and two states

1392
01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:24,880
Speaker 9: where there's.

1393
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:25,960
Speaker 6: Quite a bit of oil and.

1394
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:28,439
Speaker 9: Gas if you were to suddenly disallow it in all

1395
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:31,639
Speaker 9: the STATES i, don't we would not keep the lights,

1396
01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:36,840
Speaker 9: on we would not be heating. Homes you, know essentially

1397
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:41,439
Speaker 9: everything would. Stop and there is no viable alternative to

1398
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:45,120
Speaker 9: oil and gas right. Now they're just. None renewables are

1399
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:48,040
Speaker 9: good where renewables make, sense but they come with all

1400
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 9: their challenges. Too nobody wants to talk, about you, know

1401
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:57,439
Speaker 9: the waste the waste stream of, renewables especially battery, production

1402
01:23:58,439 --> 01:24:01,880
Speaker 9: which is probably one of the most toxic industrial processes On,

1403
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:06,840
Speaker 9: earth with acid rain that's brought about by, smelting really

1404
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 9: really kind of bad juju. Disposal and you, know big

1405
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:14,400
Speaker 9: mining versus big excuse, me big shovel versus big. Oil you,

1406
01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:16,479
Speaker 9: know we talked about big oil ex On. Chevron, yeah

1407
01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:20,120
Speaker 9: but what about big, mining you, know strip, mining lithium you, know,

1408
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:25,320
Speaker 9: uh you, know you, know the, cobalts all the heavy.

1409
01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:29,680
Speaker 9: Stuff it's it's really kind of scars the earth and

1410
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:32,639
Speaker 9: uses a lot of. Resources of the water production require

1411
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:36,320
Speaker 9: for lithium processing is, huge and it doesn't get talked.

1412
01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:39,000
Speaker 9: About and you, know it's. Funny it just it just

1413
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 9: kind of gets swept under the carpet and, uh and

1414
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:45,599
Speaker 9: people accept, it except that we're going to ignore those

1415
01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:50,800
Speaker 9: facts as they continue on with you, know this climate, Alarmism.

1416
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:54,719
Speaker 1: DAN i have talked to, MANY i think very learned

1417
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:59,599
Speaker 1: people on the subject of the climate. Alarmism one of

1418
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:02,920
Speaker 1: my fing favorite guests frequent guest is a man Named

1419
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:07,000
Speaker 1: Gregory wrightstone who heads THE co two coalition In, washington D.

1420
01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:12,920
Speaker 1: C and we have talked about the little environmental disasters

1421
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:19,240
Speaker 1: caused by wind, turbines the you, know when the sun doesn't,

1422
01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:22,479
Speaker 1: shine these solar panels which are largely made In, china

1423
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:26,960
Speaker 1: even Though china isn't using solar power or quote renewables

1424
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:30,519
Speaker 1: to power all of the things that they need to,

1425
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:34,800
Speaker 1: power especially with these big data centers IN, ai Which

1426
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:39,439
Speaker 1: President TRUMP i think rightly, Said, yeah we want that,

1427
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:42,640
Speaker 1: business we want those billions of dollars being invested in

1428
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:45,840
Speaker 1: The United. States we want the. Jobs but you've got

1429
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:48,240
Speaker 1: to find a way to provide your own. Power and

1430
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:53,400
Speaker 1: a lot of THESE ai centers are focusing on building

1431
01:25:53,760 --> 01:26:00,759
Speaker 1: these big data centers near natural gas basins to provide

1432
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:05,120
Speaker 1: the power that they. Need and the light you said

1433
01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:08,080
Speaker 1: that oil is you, know the prices of oil are,

1434
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:13,640
Speaker 1: low so the activity is. Low but it seems, like you,

1435
01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:17,720
Speaker 1: KNOW i, understand there's a cost benefit you've got to do. With,

1436
01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:19,760
Speaker 1: okay how much are you gonna? Drill how much are

1437
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:23,000
Speaker 1: you going to frack compared to the oil prices where

1438
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:25,240
Speaker 1: you can't even make a profit at. IT i get

1439
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:28,360
Speaker 1: that part of. It but at the same, Time america

1440
01:26:28,439 --> 01:26:31,280
Speaker 1: needs more and more energy and we haven't even touched

1441
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:33,320
Speaker 1: the tip of the. Iceberg on what we're going to

1442
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:37,439
Speaker 1: need once THESE ai and data centers really kick in full.

1443
01:26:37,479 --> 01:26:44,160
Speaker 9: Scale, right it's really sort of, phenomenal whether that's good or,

1444
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:46,960
Speaker 9: bad but phenomenal in the effort that's being put in

1445
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:52,280
Speaker 9: THESE ai. Centers was talking to a guy the other day, who,

1446
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:55,840
Speaker 9: well this goes back away as it's public knowledge, now

1447
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:59,559
Speaker 9: but you had a company Called engine number one out

1448
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:03,040
Speaker 9: of Sani Cisco Hedge, fund very you, know big enough

1449
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:04,960
Speaker 9: that it was able to buy its way on the

1450
01:27:05,080 --> 01:27:09,639
Speaker 9: Three exon boards and try to turn exon The San Francisco,

1451
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:13,200
Speaker 9: way which is towards, renewables and they.

1452
01:27:13,320 --> 01:27:15,680
Speaker 6: Succeeded they acquired enough shares.

1453
01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:17,840
Speaker 9: To do, that and you, know they didn't want to

1454
01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:22,240
Speaker 9: See exon continuing along the path of more. Discoveries they

1455
01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:25,240
Speaker 9: wanted to see a divert funds to. Renewables this was

1456
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:26,880
Speaker 9: in twenty, one twenty twenty.

1457
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:28,240
Speaker 6: One now.

1458
01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:33,280
Speaker 9: The same hedge fund is down In houston meeting With

1459
01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:38,559
Speaker 9: chevron trying to acquire natural gas for ITS ai data.

1460
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:41,639
Speaker 9: Centers so a little bit a little bit of irony,

1461
01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:45,760
Speaker 9: there but the truth is is it's just crazy what's

1462
01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:49,040
Speaker 9: going on with the energy requirements that are going to

1463
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:52,439
Speaker 9: be needed FOR. Ai and you, Know i'm talking to

1464
01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:54,040
Speaker 9: a friend the other. Day he's got a number of

1465
01:27:54,040 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 9: wells In West. Virginia he would just paid a million

1466
01:27:56,240 --> 01:28:00,280
Speaker 9: and a half dollars as a fee to allow them to, move,

1467
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:03,760
Speaker 9: uh to re route one of his. Pipelines you, know you,

1468
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:06,400
Speaker 9: know they're throwing a lot of money around because there's

1469
01:28:06,439 --> 01:28:08,519
Speaker 9: so much money involved right. Now it's kind of a

1470
01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:11,120
Speaker 9: it's there's definitely a bubble there AND i don't know

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01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:12,880
Speaker 9: for the, BREAK i don't, know but it's a lot

1472
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:15,640
Speaker 9: of money in. It but the powery requirements are going

1473
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:19,120
Speaker 9: to be. Extraordinary so you have states Like New, york

1474
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:21,800
Speaker 9: which you're gonna be using quite a bit OF, ai

1475
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:26,960
Speaker 9: that don't allow. Fracking and you have The Marcellus formation

1476
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:29,519
Speaker 9: which made you, KNOW i don't want to say it

1477
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:31,479
Speaker 9: made tons of any, wealthy but it added so much

1478
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:35,040
Speaker 9: wealth to the. State it's, clean it's environmentally. Friendly in,

1479
01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:38,919
Speaker 9: fact natural gas is the only thing that has REDUCED

1480
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:42,760
Speaker 9: co two in the, atmosphere not not. Fundraisers and you,

1481
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:45,320
Speaker 9: know amongst the jet setters and celebrities you know that

1482
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:48,680
Speaker 9: are you know that want to punished fossil, peals they

1483
01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:51,760
Speaker 9: haven't moved. Anything it's all it's been natural gas because

1484
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:56,840
Speaker 9: of the LOW co two requirements and but by actually displacing,

1485
01:28:56,880 --> 01:29:00,320
Speaker 9: coal which by the, way because OF ai that we

1486
01:29:00,360 --> 01:29:03,919
Speaker 9: are producing and mining more coal now than we ever.

1487
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:04,679
Speaker 6: Have in The United.

1488
01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:08,120
Speaker 9: States, ever as a percentage of total, energy it's, less

1489
01:29:08,520 --> 01:29:12,120
Speaker 9: but in total tons and tonnage it's more. So and

1490
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:14,439
Speaker 9: it's a lot of it has to do with WITH

1491
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:18,840
Speaker 9: ai power, demands and also the renewables provide no base.

1492
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:21,880
Speaker 9: Load they you, know they're on their, off wind, blows

1493
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:25,760
Speaker 9: wind doesn't, blow, sunshine sun doesn't, shine and you know

1494
01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:28,960
Speaker 9: they're on and off, constantly and you know there's there's battery.

1495
01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:32,400
Speaker 9: Backups but, again now you're into the whole environmental you,

1496
01:29:32,439 --> 01:29:36,400
Speaker 9: know the toxic waste. Stream so it's it's it's a

1497
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:38,800
Speaker 9: crazy time for energy right, now and we're going to

1498
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:39,599
Speaker 9: need a lot more than.

1499
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:45,920
Speaker 1: Reproducing what about the arguments that fracking can cause unnatural

1500
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:51,400
Speaker 1: seismic shifts in the teutonic plates and can actually cause.

1501
01:29:51,479 --> 01:29:55,800
Speaker 1: Earthquakes that's been another argument against fracking that you hear.

1502
01:29:55,880 --> 01:29:59,640
Speaker 9: Repeatedly you hear it and it's just people parroting you,

1503
01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:03,280
Speaker 9: know it's. Untrue uh What uh, listen though you, Know,

1504
01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:06,840
Speaker 9: gary you know there's a muse it, listen but uh but,

1505
01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:12,320
Speaker 9: uh there there is a tracking doesn't disturb tectonic or you, know,

1506
01:30:12,520 --> 01:30:18,040
Speaker 9: uh Basically, Greece uh. Faults the earth is full of, faults.

1507
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:18,240
Speaker 6: All sorts of.

1508
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:22,400
Speaker 9: Faults and uh In ohio actually a friend of mine

1509
01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:24,840
Speaker 9: was working for a big oil company there and they

1510
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:29,720
Speaker 9: encountered and they encountered some of these seismic. Events now

1511
01:30:29,720 --> 01:30:32,400
Speaker 9: they're not, enormous but they're you, know enough to, like you,

1512
01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:35,880
Speaker 9: know everyone. Studying it's, like what's going. On what has been,

1513
01:30:35,920 --> 01:30:39,679
Speaker 9: proven especially down In, oklahoma is a lot of deep

1514
01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:43,519
Speaker 9: water injection wells were being placed into fault, zones and

1515
01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:47,439
Speaker 9: what it was basically doing was loving these faults and

1516
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:50,320
Speaker 9: in a, way you, know they're causing some movement a

1517
01:30:50,360 --> 01:30:52,200
Speaker 9: little the time instead of you, know one big one

1518
01:30:52,280 --> 01:30:54,599
Speaker 9: or maybe a big one could. Happen but that has

1519
01:30:54,640 --> 01:30:57,920
Speaker 9: since been. Curtailed it's not allowed. Anymore it's it's something

1520
01:30:57,960 --> 01:31:01,600
Speaker 9: we discovered along the way in the industry adapted to

1521
01:31:01,680 --> 01:31:04,280
Speaker 9: it and is no longer doing it or doing it

1522
01:31:04,320 --> 01:31:06,920
Speaker 9: in such a way as not to disturb fault. Lines

1523
01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:10,519
Speaker 9: so it's not. Fracking it was it was. Now and

1524
01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:13,559
Speaker 9: you know that is related to, fracking because that's, uh

1525
01:31:13,960 --> 01:31:17,040
Speaker 9: those are brinds that are produced alongside. Oil most times

1526
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:19,840
Speaker 9: when you're making oil or, gas more so, oil you're

1527
01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:23,080
Speaker 9: producing brine water you, know ancient seawater along with. It

1528
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:27,280
Speaker 9: and uh we as a, COMPANY i we frack wells back,

1529
01:31:27,320 --> 01:31:31,120
Speaker 9: east but out, west we drill our own wells and

1530
01:31:31,400 --> 01:31:34,160
Speaker 9: we reuse all of our frack. Water we don't dispose of.

1531
01:31:34,160 --> 01:31:35,640
Speaker 9: IT i, mean we have disposed of the wells that

1532
01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:38,479
Speaker 9: we're just put. Together they're, there but we actually like

1533
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:41,719
Speaker 9: to retain it and reuse it in our frack jobs

1534
01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:45,280
Speaker 9: so that we're not putting so much pressure on the

1535
01:31:45,400 --> 01:31:48,040
Speaker 9: uh on you, know local water so like groundwater. Supply

1536
01:31:48,760 --> 01:31:52,639
Speaker 9: so it's it's really fracking doesn't do. That fracking doesn't

1537
01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:55,439
Speaker 9: get into The i'm sure there's cases where it may have,

1538
01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:58,400
Speaker 9: happened BUT i wrote this article For fox AND i

1539
01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:00,400
Speaker 9: stand by WHAT i, said which Is i've been on

1540
01:32:00,479 --> 01:32:02,760
Speaker 9: thousands that we've done quite a few over the you,

1541
01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:05,200
Speaker 9: know eighteen years that we've had a frack. Company, yeah

1542
01:32:05,240 --> 01:32:08,360
Speaker 9: and we've done thousands of frack jobs and we've never

1543
01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:12,320
Speaker 9: had a groundwater intrusion because of casing some, manning and

1544
01:32:12,360 --> 01:32:15,160
Speaker 9: you're you're going down hoold you, know way, way, way,

1545
01:32:15,160 --> 01:32:19,160
Speaker 9: way way deeper than the uphole surface. Water AND i

1546
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:23,160
Speaker 9: Just i've never seen it. Happen, however in old old,

1547
01:32:23,200 --> 01:32:26,439
Speaker 9: wells old, wells forty year old wells or more in

1548
01:32:26,479 --> 01:32:29,760
Speaker 9: some cases a thirty year old. Whatever you you, know

1549
01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:33,719
Speaker 9: sometimes you know you're you could have a casing failure

1550
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:37,040
Speaker 9: and you meet might see some. Intrusion BUT i know

1551
01:32:37,080 --> 01:32:40,120
Speaker 9: from personal, experience it's it's really tough to get a.

1552
01:32:40,120 --> 01:32:43,800
Speaker 9: Permit try to get a wastewater permit In. Pennsylvania you're

1553
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:47,040
Speaker 9: gonna have to deal with THE, uh with THE, epa

1554
01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:50,559
Speaker 9: along with the state, authorities local. Authorities it's a tough

1555
01:32:50,840 --> 01:32:53,000
Speaker 9: task and it's very very very closely.

1556
01:32:53,080 --> 01:32:56,960
Speaker 1: Monitored isn't it true That Energy Secretary Chris right drank

1557
01:32:57,040 --> 01:32:59,880
Speaker 1: frack water this this fluid you're talking about to.

1558
01:32:59,800 --> 01:33:04,760
Speaker 9: Pre, say, yeah twenty, Nineteen i'll tell you something about.

1559
01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:08,559
Speaker 9: It we run in our fract fluids you're, talking you,

1560
01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:12,519
Speaker 9: know at most concentrations of one part per thousand of

1561
01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:16,120
Speaker 9: some of this. Stuff but, really you, know the most

1562
01:33:16,600 --> 01:33:21,639
Speaker 9: predominantly used things are you, know a poaly, criminalide which

1563
01:33:21,680 --> 01:33:24,479
Speaker 9: is which is not. Toxic in, fact one of the old,

1564
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:26,800
Speaker 9: school and it's still used quite a. Bit we pump

1565
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:29,320
Speaker 9: a lot of it is guar, extract which is a

1566
01:33:29,360 --> 01:33:30,120
Speaker 9: bean grown In.

1567
01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:31,160
Speaker 6: India it's a food.

1568
01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:34,240
Speaker 9: Product it's a thickening agent used in ice cream and different,

1569
01:33:34,240 --> 01:33:37,280
Speaker 9: things and that that is a commonly used.

1570
01:33:37,320 --> 01:33:37,760
Speaker 6: Material we.

1571
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:39,880
Speaker 9: Run the probably the worst thing that we run our,

1572
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:43,720
Speaker 9: biosides which are bacteria, killers which are you, know clarox

1573
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:45,840
Speaker 9: or you, know what you treat a pool. With so

1574
01:33:46,280 --> 01:33:48,559
Speaker 9: it's kind of the same, thing and it's just again

1575
01:33:48,720 --> 01:33:51,400
Speaker 9: it doesn't hold. Water the industry didn't do itself a

1576
01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:54,160
Speaker 9: favor because in the advent of high rate, fracking you

1577
01:33:54,200 --> 01:33:56,880
Speaker 9: know for, shale you know the marcellus and you, know

1578
01:33:57,200 --> 01:34:01,000
Speaker 9: the permi and everything. Else, yeh he was really a

1579
01:34:01,040 --> 01:34:04,599
Speaker 9: closely guarded secret with chemicals you were running and, uh

1580
01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:06,920
Speaker 9: you know it's called The halliburton rule where you didn't

1581
01:34:06,920 --> 01:34:10,120
Speaker 9: have to disclose and, really you, know now it's it's you,

1582
01:34:10,160 --> 01:34:12,880
Speaker 9: know it's everyone runs the same. Thing there's, really, uh

1583
01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:16,799
Speaker 9: there's you, know there's there are some propriety proprietary, products

1584
01:34:17,160 --> 01:34:20,680
Speaker 9: but mostly it's kind of become generic and you, Know

1585
01:34:20,840 --> 01:34:24,479
Speaker 9: Chris wright drank it because it's you, know not. Toxic you,

1586
01:34:24,520 --> 01:34:27,040
Speaker 9: Know i'm sure there's toxic things you can add to the,

1587
01:34:27,080 --> 01:34:29,680
Speaker 9: mix but that's generally not. Done it's, because for one,

1588
01:34:29,680 --> 01:34:31,720
Speaker 9: thing it's too, expensive and we found out that it

1589
01:34:31,760 --> 01:34:32,599
Speaker 9: doesn't do a whole.

1590
01:34:32,640 --> 01:34:35,080
Speaker 1: Lot tell me a little bit about the book Of

1591
01:34:35,200 --> 01:34:39,679
Speaker 1: roughnecks And. Riches it's your story of starting your company

1592
01:34:39,720 --> 01:34:43,040
Speaker 1: and and basically from the ground, up.

1593
01:34:43,680 --> 01:34:47,360
Speaker 9: Right, yeah you, Know, Gary, uh it's you, know it's.

1594
01:34:47,800 --> 01:34:50,120
Speaker 1: No, no, no no pun intended WHEN i say from

1595
01:34:50,160 --> 01:34:50,800
Speaker 1: the ground.

1596
01:34:50,600 --> 01:34:54,640
Speaker 9: Up, yeah, no, uh you, know it's a it's a.

1597
01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:56,000
Speaker 6: Story. Uh you.

1598
01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:58,679
Speaker 9: Know WHEN i started, IT i was a geologist working

1599
01:34:58,720 --> 01:35:01,760
Speaker 9: In texas and we went through a horrible downturn AND i,

1600
01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:04,320
Speaker 9: mean you, know a year of sitting still AND i

1601
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:06,960
Speaker 9: wasn't really wired at the time to sit, still And i'm,

1602
01:35:06,960 --> 01:35:09,240
Speaker 9: like what AM i going to? Do for a number of,

1603
01:35:09,240 --> 01:35:13,000
Speaker 9: REASONS i ended up at graduate film school At New York. University,

1604
01:35:14,200 --> 01:35:16,840
Speaker 9: ANYWAYS i worked into the movie business for a, while

1605
01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:20,000
Speaker 9: AND i really wanted to get back to oil and.

1606
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:23,519
Speaker 9: Gas but the, MEANTIME i had started an equipment rental

1607
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:26,479
Speaker 9: company up AND i leveraged that to the hilt to

1608
01:35:26,640 --> 01:35:29,240
Speaker 9: buy some frag. TRUCKS i kind of went into a

1609
01:35:29,320 --> 01:35:32,320
Speaker 9: green and you know, what it's a story really about.

1610
01:35:32,479 --> 01:35:36,840
Speaker 9: Entrepreneurism it's about don't don't. Stop don't even when you

1611
01:35:36,920 --> 01:35:39,240
Speaker 9: know crazy things. Happened you, KNOW i had a guy

1612
01:35:39,280 --> 01:35:42,439
Speaker 9: pull a knife on me and a trailer In. Oklahoma you,

1613
01:35:42,479 --> 01:35:46,639
Speaker 9: KNOW i was sleeping in my truck in State trooper

1614
01:35:46,720 --> 01:35:49,880
Speaker 9: parking lots because there's another. Day it was just it

1615
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:51,519
Speaker 9: was like one thing after. That it's, like you got

1616
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:53,800
Speaker 9: to be kidding. Me and this went on for like a,

1617
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:56,400
Speaker 9: year but you know, what we persevered and kept going

1618
01:35:56,439 --> 01:35:59,120
Speaker 9: and kept going and kept going and finally got through

1619
01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:02,960
Speaker 9: and it so it's it's something for you, know a

1620
01:36:03,080 --> 01:36:07,439
Speaker 9: kid in, college you, know thinking about an entrepreneur, career

1621
01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:10,679
Speaker 9: or somebody starting out or somebody having done it that's

1622
01:36:10,680 --> 01:36:13,439
Speaker 9: gone through these crazy events you get into when you

1623
01:36:13,479 --> 01:36:16,479
Speaker 9: start your own. Thing that it was kind of you,

1624
01:36:16,479 --> 01:36:20,280
Speaker 9: know it's something that somebody might see themselves.

1625
01:36:20,280 --> 01:36:23,960
Speaker 1: In how much natural gas is available Under america's feet

1626
01:36:24,439 --> 01:36:26,599
Speaker 1: right now that we can depend.

1627
01:36:26,680 --> 01:36:29,880
Speaker 9: On, YEAH i mean people talk about one hundred years.

1628
01:36:29,880 --> 01:36:32,360
Speaker 9: Supply it's so hard to. Say you know. What one

1629
01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:34,920
Speaker 9: thing we're getting better and better at is getting more

1630
01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:37,320
Speaker 9: oil and gas out of the same well. Bore that

1631
01:36:37,320 --> 01:36:40,280
Speaker 9: that's actually the next kind of the next, wave that

1632
01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:44,240
Speaker 9: it'll be a technological. One we've gotten so good at

1633
01:36:44,840 --> 01:36:47,920
Speaker 9: reducing our drilling days and so good at fracking wells

1634
01:36:48,680 --> 01:36:51,920
Speaker 9: very very. Efficient but the next step will be getting

1635
01:36:51,960 --> 01:36:56,400
Speaker 9: more from the from the, reservoir which generally has been left.

1636
01:36:56,400 --> 01:37:00,040
Speaker 9: Behind so we have a lot of natural. Gas some

1637
01:37:00,120 --> 01:37:03,400
Speaker 9: TIMES i wonder about OUR lng trade that you, know

1638
01:37:03,400 --> 01:37:06,640
Speaker 9: we're building out L g export terminals down along The

1639
01:37:06,640 --> 01:37:10,960
Speaker 9: gulf coast and you, know to ship to other countries

1640
01:37:11,040 --> 01:37:13,240
Speaker 9: trying to get it Into, europe so Get europe off

1641
01:37:13,240 --> 01:37:16,600
Speaker 9: Of russian. Gas but, it's, uh it's we've got a,

1642
01:37:16,640 --> 01:37:19,320
Speaker 9: lot a lot of natural gas to. Go it's it's

1643
01:37:19,400 --> 01:37:22,080
Speaker 9: really cheap relative everything. Else and the thing about natural

1644
01:37:22,120 --> 01:37:25,000
Speaker 9: gas is you you leave it a, vessel it doesn't.

1645
01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:28,160
Speaker 9: Deteriorate it's not like sunlight that goes away or wind

1646
01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:28,599
Speaker 9: that doesn't.

1647
01:37:28,640 --> 01:37:28,920
Speaker 6: Blow.

1648
01:37:29,439 --> 01:37:31,880
Speaker 9: Uh you, know it's kind of like nukes in a.

1649
01:37:31,880 --> 01:37:34,519
Speaker 9: Way with nukes are a great, IDEA i, Think, uh

1650
01:37:34,640 --> 01:37:38,680
Speaker 9: but it just keeps. Producing it can be, stored it

1651
01:37:38,680 --> 01:37:41,160
Speaker 9: doesn't lose its, power it doesn't cost anything to the storage

1652
01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:43,280
Speaker 9: to be left in the, ground follow out when you need.

1653
01:37:43,320 --> 01:37:46,559
Speaker 9: It we do a lot of uh storage field frack

1654
01:37:46,680 --> 01:37:50,280
Speaker 9: jobs for utilities and, uh you know they just in

1655
01:37:50,320 --> 01:37:52,000
Speaker 9: the summer months when you don't need, it they keep

1656
01:37:52,040 --> 01:37:54,800
Speaker 9: producing the. Wells they just put it in the storage and

1657
01:37:54,840 --> 01:37:57,599
Speaker 9: then they in that's underground storage and in.

1658
01:37:57,600 --> 01:38:01,679
Speaker 1: That in that, state it's not avulable a volatile kind

1659
01:38:01,720 --> 01:38:03,280
Speaker 1: of energy.

1660
01:38:03,360 --> 01:38:06,920
Speaker 9: Source, no, no, no, no just it's it's well. Managed

1661
01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:09,840
Speaker 9: you don't hear incidents where something's blowing. Up you, know

1662
01:38:10,320 --> 01:38:12,599
Speaker 9: maybe it's, Happened i'm not aware of, it but it's,

1663
01:38:12,680 --> 01:38:15,960
Speaker 9: uh it's we fracked these wells and uh they produce

1664
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:19,200
Speaker 9: them into the reservoir and uh in the summer pull

1665
01:38:19,200 --> 01:38:21,439
Speaker 9: them out along and they continue to prove them in the.

1666
01:38:21,479 --> 01:38:24,280
Speaker 9: Winter but it just gives, them you, know it gives them.

1667
01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:27,840
Speaker 9: More and the thing about the earth is is you

1668
01:38:27,840 --> 01:38:30,400
Speaker 9: know there's a lot of areas where you that will accept.

1669
01:38:30,400 --> 01:38:33,360
Speaker 9: Storage so you can take you, know gas from one

1670
01:38:33,400 --> 01:38:36,360
Speaker 9: area and put it into storage in another through a pipeline,

1671
01:38:36,360 --> 01:38:39,240
Speaker 9: system and it's readily available when you need. It it doesn't,

1672
01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:42,960
Speaker 9: freeze you, know it's easy to, transport and, uh it's

1673
01:38:43,000 --> 01:38:47,479
Speaker 9: it's incredibly efficient and. Cheap it's not like you, know

1674
01:38:47,680 --> 01:38:52,280
Speaker 9: these especially in the northeast And west, coast where all

1675
01:38:52,320 --> 01:38:56,439
Speaker 9: of their efforts to curtail, uh you, know transportation of

1676
01:38:56,520 --> 01:38:59,920
Speaker 9: natural gas have done nothing but just really harmed the.

1677
01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:03,200
Speaker 9: Consumer it's almost like a war against the poor because

1678
01:39:03,240 --> 01:39:04,120
Speaker 9: it doesn't make.

1679
01:39:04,240 --> 01:39:06,600
Speaker 6: Less we do. Well When democrats are in.

1680
01:39:06,640 --> 01:39:10,880
Speaker 9: Office we typically have a higher oil, price but it

1681
01:39:10,920 --> 01:39:12,960
Speaker 9: doesn't stop us from. Working they do all sorts of

1682
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:16,559
Speaker 9: crazy things like to Buy the administration did shutting down

1683
01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:19,320
Speaker 9: FEDERAL lisa permitting for fair a While.

1684
01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:22,880
Speaker 1: President trump has definitely at least a state of his

1685
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:26,200
Speaker 1: mission is to deregulate and to let it.

1686
01:39:26,240 --> 01:39:28,360
Speaker 6: Flow, yeah he has done a.

1687
01:39:28,360 --> 01:39:32,040
Speaker 9: Lot he's a really some of the regof, stuff regulation

1688
01:39:32,120 --> 01:39:36,080
Speaker 9: off stuff has been has trickled, down and it's gonna be.

1689
01:39:36,080 --> 01:39:39,479
Speaker 9: Incredible well came up with, something and it's just it's really,

1690
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:40,920
Speaker 9: really very much appreciated.

1691
01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:44,200
Speaker 1: LISTEN i very much appreciate the. CONVERSATION i learned a little.

1692
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:47,360
Speaker 1: Bit thank you so. Much the book is Of roughnecks And.

1693
01:39:47,439 --> 01:39:50,240
Speaker 1: Riches the author Is Dan, doyle who's the president Of

1694
01:39:50,520 --> 01:39:55,320
Speaker 1: Reliance Wealth services And Arena. Resources and thank you so

1695
01:39:55,400 --> 01:39:55,800
Speaker 1: much for your.

1696
01:39:55,840 --> 01:39:58,559
Speaker 9: Time, Dan thank, You, GARRY i appreciate.

1697
01:39:58,600 --> 01:40:02,080
Speaker 1: It you. Bet we continue the energy discussion with a

1698
01:40:02,160 --> 01:40:06,000
Speaker 1: major court ruling that, is or a filing that's supposed

1699
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:10,280
Speaker 1: to happen. Tomorrow we'll see if THE epa. Does what

1700
01:40:10,439 --> 01:40:14,479
Speaker 1: needs to be done next are just to undeveloped copper

1701
01:40:14,520 --> 01:40:20,280
Speaker 1: deposit in the. World guess what we need? Copper there

1702
01:40:20,439 --> 01:40:25,920
Speaker 1: is a major court filing tomorrow to talk about that

1703
01:40:27,560 --> 01:40:31,080
Speaker 1: we will have in just a moment The Pebble PROJECT'S,

1704
01:40:31,120 --> 01:40:35,840
Speaker 1: Ceo John shively to talk about what it means for

1705
01:40:37,479 --> 01:40:41,679
Speaker 1: precious minerals like copper that we need in this country

1706
01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:46,280
Speaker 1: and the court fights that are against. It as The

1707
01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:51,160
Speaker 1: nightcap continues right, afternoons which is now on seven, HUNDRED wlw,

1708
01:40:51,439 --> 01:40:55,120
Speaker 1: says As america is be relying on Communist china or

1709
01:40:55,160 --> 01:40:58,559
Speaker 1: any other nation when we got the good stuff right,

1710
01:40:58,600 --> 01:41:03,439
Speaker 1: here it's a good. Question tomorrow is a crucial day

1711
01:41:04,400 --> 01:41:08,320
Speaker 1: For President Trump's department Of. Justice there's a court. Deadline

1712
01:41:09,360 --> 01:41:13,080
Speaker 1: it's a fight Over Alaska's pebble mind the largest undeveloped

1713
01:41:13,120 --> 01:41:17,040
Speaker 1: copper deposit in the. World THE doj has to file

1714
01:41:17,080 --> 01:41:21,960
Speaker 1: this response brief In Northern Dynasty minerals VERSUS. Epa and

1715
01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:26,000
Speaker 1: the big question is Will President TRUMP'S doj defend The

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01:41:26,040 --> 01:41:31,040
Speaker 1: biden ERA epa veto or signal it's ready to let it.

1717
01:41:31,160 --> 01:41:39,720
Speaker 1: Die with some perspective on that and maybe maybe a

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01:41:39,720 --> 01:41:44,880
Speaker 1: little precursor, answer maybe a hopeful answer comes TO Us

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01:41:45,400 --> 01:41:50,679
Speaker 1: Pebble PROJECT Ceo John. Shively, John welcome to the. Show

1720
01:41:50,720 --> 01:41:51,000
Speaker 1: how are.

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01:41:51,080 --> 01:41:53,920
Speaker 4: You i'm, Great thank you for having.

1722
01:41:53,960 --> 01:41:59,800
Speaker 1: Me we have seen what reliant reliance on other countries

1723
01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:06,280
Speaker 1: for energy and for mineral needs has led, to and

1724
01:42:06,720 --> 01:42:09,559
Speaker 1: we're starting to break out of, that slowly but surely through.

1725
01:42:09,640 --> 01:42:14,800
Speaker 1: Deregulation and As president, says, drill baby. Drill but will

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01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:18,479
Speaker 1: The Trump department Of justice say, mine baby mine In

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01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:22,519
Speaker 1: alaska at The Pebble project. Tomorrow what's your? Sense what

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01:42:22,600 --> 01:42:23,479
Speaker 1: have you heard so?

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01:42:23,640 --> 01:42:27,439
Speaker 10: Far, John, yeah it's a it's a good. Question have

1730
01:42:27,640 --> 01:42:29,000
Speaker 10: they have a difficult decision to?

1731
01:42:29,080 --> 01:42:31,840
Speaker 7: Make you, Know we've we've.

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01:42:32,320 --> 01:42:34,760
Speaker 10: Worked with, Them we've given them a lot of information

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01:42:34,840 --> 01:42:35,479
Speaker 10: on why we.

1734
01:42:35,479 --> 01:42:39,240
Speaker 7: Think they should do. This it's a.

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01:42:39,320 --> 01:42:42,519
Speaker 10: Very it's complicated from the point of view of what

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01:42:42,600 --> 01:42:47,479
Speaker 10: The biden administration, did but we really think they have

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01:42:47,640 --> 01:42:51,400
Speaker 10: the ability to withdraw a veto THAT epa made of

1738
01:42:51,439 --> 01:42:55,640
Speaker 10: our project using a very seldom used part of The

1739
01:42:55,640 --> 01:43:00,880
Speaker 10: Clean Water, act, uh and that we're very hopeful that

1740
01:43:00,960 --> 01:43:01,800
Speaker 10: that's what they're going to.

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01:43:01,840 --> 01:43:02,000
Speaker 6: Do.

1742
01:43:02,439 --> 01:43:09,200
Speaker 1: Well we've seen rollbacks of like The Endangered act that

1743
01:43:09,400 --> 01:43:13,760
Speaker 1: was propped up under The biden administration and other deregulation

1744
01:43:13,960 --> 01:43:18,960
Speaker 1: when it comes to critical resources and energy Under President,

1745
01:43:18,960 --> 01:43:21,800
Speaker 1: trump it's something that he promised to do and pretty

1746
01:43:21,880 --> 01:43:25,599
Speaker 1: much has been fairly consistent. With, again we'll see what happens.

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01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:29,439
Speaker 1: Tomorrow and, yeah they've go.

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01:43:29,479 --> 01:43:32,519
Speaker 4: Ahead, yeah they've BEEN i think very.

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01:43:32,560 --> 01:43:35,280
Speaker 10: GOOD i mean in terms of trying to get things

1750
01:43:35,280 --> 01:43:39,360
Speaker 10: straightened out in this. COUNTRY i, mean you, know the

1751
01:43:39,520 --> 01:43:42,400
Speaker 10: average to get a mind going in The United states

1752
01:43:42,520 --> 01:43:45,439
Speaker 10: is twenty nine. Years we're the second worst in the

1753
01:43:45,479 --> 01:43:46,479
Speaker 10: world after Zim.

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01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:52,240
Speaker 1: Violace once you file that you want to start. Minding,

1755
01:43:52,960 --> 01:43:54,840
Speaker 1: yeah what's the process for, That John.

1756
01:43:55,560 --> 01:44:00,200
Speaker 10: Well once once we company finds that they have a

1757
01:44:00,520 --> 01:44:04,519
Speaker 10: prospect that they think is economic to, develop it's twenty nine. Years,

1758
01:44:04,680 --> 01:44:09,240
Speaker 10: wow it's been longer for. US i mean the initial

1759
01:44:09,280 --> 01:44:15,479
Speaker 10: project prospect was found and like nineteen eighty, EIGHT i.

1760
01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:20,720
Speaker 10: Think so we filed for our permits in twenty seventeen

1761
01:44:22,720 --> 01:44:27,600
Speaker 10: and then ultimately The trump administration TURNED us. Down we

1762
01:44:27,680 --> 01:44:30,679
Speaker 10: appealed that we won not, Appealed but then THE epa

1763
01:44:30,760 --> 01:44:33,599
Speaker 10: and The biden administration came in and vetoed the whole.

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01:44:33,640 --> 01:44:37,280
Speaker 1: Project, well this is crucial when you mentioned twenty nine,

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01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:39,879
Speaker 1: years and you guys have been going at it longer

1766
01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:46,320
Speaker 1: than that with this particular pebble. Project it's crucial that

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01:44:46,439 --> 01:44:49,920
Speaker 1: something move on this soon because global copper demand is

1768
01:44:49,960 --> 01:44:56,040
Speaker 1: projected to search fifty percent by twenty forty's that's fourteen

1769
01:44:56,120 --> 01:44:59,760
Speaker 1: years from, now and it's all because OF ai and

1770
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:01,160
Speaker 1: defence projects right.

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01:45:02,439 --> 01:45:06,160
Speaker 10: Mostly and then you, know people moving towards more electrical

1772
01:45:06,280 --> 01:45:09,519
Speaker 10: top electrical, cars and in The third, WORLD i, mean

1773
01:45:09,520 --> 01:45:12,280
Speaker 10: they want to improve their standard of. Living you, know

1774
01:45:12,280 --> 01:45:14,240
Speaker 10: if you're going to improve your standard, living you need,

1775
01:45:14,479 --> 01:45:20,599
Speaker 10: energy reliable. Energy so and you, know getting a mind

1776
01:45:20,600 --> 01:45:22,840
Speaker 10: going is not. Simple first of, all you've got to

1777
01:45:22,840 --> 01:45:25,839
Speaker 10: get through the permitting. Process then in The United, states

1778
01:45:26,439 --> 01:45:30,320
Speaker 10: virtually every mining project is litigated by the. ENVIRONMENTALISTS i,

1779
01:45:30,320 --> 01:45:32,800
Speaker 10: mean and there are some people that think the environmental

1780
01:45:32,840 --> 01:45:36,759
Speaker 10: movement is at least partially financed by foreign governments because

1781
01:45:36,760 --> 01:45:39,200
Speaker 10: it's in their best interest FOR us not to mine.

1782
01:45:39,240 --> 01:45:40,839
Speaker 4: Here and then once.

1783
01:45:40,640 --> 01:45:43,559
Speaker 10: You get through all of that then it's for, us

1784
01:45:43,600 --> 01:45:46,840
Speaker 10: it would be a three and a half four year construction.

1785
01:45:47,000 --> 01:45:50,240
Speaker 10: Process it's a multi billion dollar, project probably six to

1786
01:45:50,280 --> 01:45:53,719
Speaker 10: seven billion dollars to. Build and then finally you're producing

1787
01:45:53,760 --> 01:45:58,200
Speaker 10: something to make. Money we've already spent over a billion dollars.

1788
01:45:58,200 --> 01:46:04,120
Speaker 1: Wow on something that's still just a. Dream Direct, basically

1789
01:46:05,040 --> 01:46:07,960
Speaker 1: the pebble deposit could supply up to fifteen percent Of

1790
01:46:07,960 --> 01:46:12,519
Speaker 1: america's critical mineral. Needs that's that's a pretty huge. Chunk

1791
01:46:12,560 --> 01:46:14,320
Speaker 1: where are we getting our copper from these?

1792
01:46:14,439 --> 01:46:17,760
Speaker 4: Days, John, well we produce some of it.

1793
01:46:17,840 --> 01:46:22,360
Speaker 10: Domestically we import about fifty percent from a variety of.

1794
01:46:22,360 --> 01:46:26,559
Speaker 10: Places CHILE i think is the biggest supplier right, now

1795
01:46:26,600 --> 01:46:31,160
Speaker 10: but we get something From. China china produces right around

1796
01:46:31,160 --> 01:46:33,479
Speaker 10: fifty percent of all the copper in the. WORLD i,

1797
01:46:33,479 --> 01:46:37,679
Speaker 10: MEAN i mean windings sort of, simple but it has

1798
01:46:38,120 --> 01:46:40,679
Speaker 10: different definite. STEPS i, mean first of, all you've got.

1799
01:46:40,520 --> 01:46:41,120
Speaker 7: To blow up the.

1800
01:46:41,200 --> 01:46:43,960
Speaker 10: Rock then you take that, rock which has you, know

1801
01:46:44,200 --> 01:46:47,080
Speaker 10: in our, case less than one percent, minimalization you make

1802
01:46:47,080 --> 01:46:50,320
Speaker 10: what's called to, concentrate and then that concentrate has to

1803
01:46:50,320 --> 01:46:53,200
Speaker 10: be made in the. Metal so the first steps are

1804
01:46:53,240 --> 01:46:56,160
Speaker 10: all obviously done at the, mind but taking concentrate and

1805
01:46:56,200 --> 01:46:59,439
Speaker 10: making it in the metal requires a processing. Plant we

1806
01:46:59,520 --> 01:47:03,040
Speaker 10: have not the new copper processing plan in this country

1807
01:47:03,080 --> 01:47:07,479
Speaker 10: in six or seven. Decades we are looking at not

1808
01:47:07,520 --> 01:47:11,120
Speaker 10: only doing the mining and the concentrate for, processing but

1809
01:47:11,200 --> 01:47:14,640
Speaker 10: also the mental processing as part of this.

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01:47:14,680 --> 01:47:18,919
Speaker 1: Project what is the environmental impact of mining for copper

1811
01:47:19,360 --> 01:47:20,880
Speaker 1: or mining for, Anything.

1812
01:47:21,520 --> 01:47:24,120
Speaker 4: Well you, know it, depends you.

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01:47:24,160 --> 01:47:26,120
Speaker 10: KNOW i, mean first of, all you got to dig

1814
01:47:26,120 --> 01:47:29,000
Speaker 10: a lot of, rock because AS i said, EARLIER i

1815
01:47:29,000 --> 01:47:34,440
Speaker 10: mean the mineralization is relatively, small and for copper, PARTICULARLY

1816
01:47:34,640 --> 01:47:36,680
Speaker 10: i mean most copper projects in this day and.

1817
01:47:36,640 --> 01:47:38,000
Speaker 4: Age are less than one percent.

1818
01:47:38,360 --> 01:47:41,519
Speaker 7: Mineralization so you either dig a big hole in.

1819
01:47:41,439 --> 01:47:45,040
Speaker 10: The ground or you go underground and pull a bunch

1820
01:47:45,080 --> 01:47:49,960
Speaker 10: of rock out and then you process that. Rock and

1821
01:47:50,040 --> 01:47:53,800
Speaker 10: so you have to and sometimes things in that rock

1822
01:47:54,520 --> 01:47:57,360
Speaker 10: can turn, toxic so you have to manage that. Aspect

1823
01:47:57,439 --> 01:48:02,360
Speaker 10: you have to store the waste rock behind a large earthen.

1824
01:48:02,479 --> 01:48:07,519
Speaker 10: Dam the technology is all there to do. That to stunt,

1825
01:48:07,680 --> 01:48:11,400
Speaker 10: correctly our environmental impact statement said that we can do this,

1826
01:48:11,520 --> 01:48:14,599
Speaker 10: project uh and not harm the. Fish we're in an

1827
01:48:14,600 --> 01:48:18,639
Speaker 10: area that has the LARGEST sakei fishery in the. World

1828
01:48:18,680 --> 01:48:22,240
Speaker 10: although we've impact only part of. THAT i, mean the

1829
01:48:22,320 --> 01:48:25,479
Speaker 10: area itself is the size of the state Of, ohio

1830
01:48:25,840 --> 01:48:29,559
Speaker 10: which you were, in and what we would build would

1831
01:48:29,560 --> 01:48:32,160
Speaker 10: be the area of the size of a very large.

1832
01:48:32,160 --> 01:48:38,240
Speaker 1: Airport, okay all, Right so that's a minimal impact on

1833
01:48:38,320 --> 01:48:42,560
Speaker 1: a very large. Area it's what's this going to do

1834
01:48:42,600 --> 01:48:43,559
Speaker 1: to sacky salmon?

1835
01:48:43,600 --> 01:48:48,639
Speaker 11: Prices, WELL i don't think it'll do anything to soak salmon,

1836
01:48:48,680 --> 01:48:55,000
Speaker 11: prices which are very, Volatile uh, yeah and have been.

1837
01:48:54,880 --> 01:48:58,560
Speaker 10: Going somewhat over the last few years in the opposite

1838
01:48:58,560 --> 01:49:00,479
Speaker 10: direction of, gold which we also.

1839
01:49:00,520 --> 01:49:03,559
Speaker 1: Have, well we're talking about, gold we're talking about, silver

1840
01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:07,320
Speaker 1: and in this particular, case talking about. Copper there was

1841
01:49:07,360 --> 01:49:11,839
Speaker 1: a new global study that projects a ten million metric

1842
01:49:12,000 --> 01:49:17,920
Speaker 1: tons supply shortfall by twenty forty and this is driven

1843
01:49:17,960 --> 01:49:22,600
Speaker 1: BY ai infrastructure and defense. Spending SO i, mean what

1844
01:49:22,720 --> 01:49:27,960
Speaker 1: do they use the copper? For do you know much about, That, John, Yeah.

1845
01:49:27,800 --> 01:49:31,120
Speaker 10: Well i'm not an, engineer BUT i, mean whenever you're

1846
01:49:31,160 --> 01:49:37,280
Speaker 10: doing anything that involves, electricity WHICH ai and data centers,

1847
01:49:37,360 --> 01:49:41,840
Speaker 10: do copper is what's used to transfer the electricity because

1848
01:49:41,880 --> 01:49:44,960
Speaker 10: it's the BEST i, mean no, alternatives.

1849
01:49:45,080 --> 01:49:46,479
Speaker 7: Aluminum being a major.

1850
01:49:46,560 --> 01:49:53,000
Speaker 10: One alternatives the aluminum is often used in the big

1851
01:49:53,080 --> 01:49:58,400
Speaker 10: transmission lines because they're. Light but if you're building anything

1852
01:49:58,560 --> 01:50:03,679
Speaker 10: like you, know the storage you, know the cloud where

1853
01:50:03,720 --> 01:50:05,040
Speaker 10: the storage, stuff.

1854
01:50:04,920 --> 01:50:07,240
Speaker 4: All that kind of, thing you need a lot of.

1855
01:50:07,280 --> 01:50:12,000
Speaker 10: Copper and in, defense you, know you think about how

1856
01:50:12,120 --> 01:50:15,680
Speaker 10: much electrical wire there probably is in let's say a

1857
01:50:15,760 --> 01:50:21,120
Speaker 10: nuclear submarine or a big aircraft carrier that's all. Copper

1858
01:50:22,280 --> 01:50:24,120
Speaker 10: and then you know the same thing in.

1859
01:50:24,200 --> 01:50:30,680
Speaker 1: Airplanes because of this shortfall our copper, Prices is this

1860
01:50:30,760 --> 01:50:34,240
Speaker 1: something a mineral investor should get involved, With, JOHN i,

1861
01:50:34,240 --> 01:50:39,040
Speaker 1: mean is this something that we've seen silver skyrocket over

1862
01:50:39,080 --> 01:50:39,840
Speaker 1: the last year.

1863
01:50:39,840 --> 01:50:44,360
Speaker 10: Or, so, Well copper has gone, up you, KNOW i

1864
01:50:44,400 --> 01:50:46,679
Speaker 10: think almost double when it was a decade.

1865
01:50:46,720 --> 01:50:49,439
Speaker 4: AGO i can't make recommendations.

1866
01:50:49,479 --> 01:50:51,760
Speaker 1: NOW i understand that not.

1867
01:50:51,920 --> 01:50:54,920
Speaker 10: Just their, money but but, YEAH i mean there are

1868
01:50:54,920 --> 01:50:57,040
Speaker 10: two things THAT i think are going to happen BECAUSE

1869
01:50:57,080 --> 01:50:59,599
Speaker 10: i don't think we can meet the demand you just talked.

1870
01:50:59,600 --> 01:51:02,719
Speaker 10: About so certainly price is going to go. Up that's

1871
01:51:02,760 --> 01:51:06,879
Speaker 10: the first, thing and it's already. HAPPENING i, mean coppers

1872
01:51:06,920 --> 01:51:08,880
Speaker 10: over five dollars a.

1873
01:51:08,960 --> 01:51:09,240
Speaker 4: Pound.

1874
01:51:09,360 --> 01:51:15,160
Speaker 10: Now so WHEN i first started in this field in

1875
01:51:15,200 --> 01:51:18,920
Speaker 10: two thousand and, eight there was a discussion whether for our,

1876
01:51:18,960 --> 01:51:21,840
Speaker 10: economics we should use a dollar eighty or through twenty.

1877
01:51:21,880 --> 01:51:26,120
Speaker 10: Five but the other thing that's going to happen is

1878
01:51:26,840 --> 01:51:29,160
Speaker 10: that there isn't going to be the supply.

1879
01:51:29,000 --> 01:51:30,200
Speaker 7: No matter how much you.

1880
01:51:30,320 --> 01:51:35,520
Speaker 10: Pay so if we can't meet the, supply then somebody's

1881
01:51:35,600 --> 01:51:36,320
Speaker 10: going to get cut.

1882
01:51:36,360 --> 01:51:38,959
Speaker 4: Off, now who is? It not going to be defense

1883
01:51:39,040 --> 01:51:39,320
Speaker 4: in this?

1884
01:51:39,400 --> 01:51:42,760
Speaker 10: COUNTRY i, mean we will make sure that defense has.

1885
01:51:42,920 --> 01:51:44,080
Speaker 4: Enough so is it?

1886
01:51:44,160 --> 01:51:48,280
Speaker 10: Ai is it the transmission lines that people need to

1887
01:51:48,320 --> 01:51:52,120
Speaker 10: get electricity their? Homes is it the copper that goes

1888
01:51:52,160 --> 01:51:55,559
Speaker 10: into their, vehicles particularly if they want to buy an

1889
01:51:55,600 --> 01:51:59,680
Speaker 10: electrical vehicle or in the. Refrigerator you know who's going

1890
01:51:59,720 --> 01:52:00,719
Speaker 10: to happen to Give.

1891
01:52:00,680 --> 01:52:05,280
Speaker 1: Well here's here's my, Question. John, really ultimately THE doj

1892
01:52:05,439 --> 01:52:12,280
Speaker 1: decides to fight or oppose The biden veto of The Pebble,

1893
01:52:12,360 --> 01:52:17,400
Speaker 1: project what's the next? STEP i, mean and how long

1894
01:52:17,479 --> 01:52:19,360
Speaker 1: is it going to take for you guys to actually

1895
01:52:19,439 --> 01:52:20,960
Speaker 1: start construction if you get the green?

1896
01:52:21,040 --> 01:52:25,040
Speaker 10: Light, well if they take the veto, away then we

1897
01:52:25,120 --> 01:52:27,599
Speaker 10: have to finish the permitting process with the corp Of,

1898
01:52:27,640 --> 01:52:31,080
Speaker 10: engineers which we think will take six months or or

1899
01:52:31,080 --> 01:52:35,000
Speaker 10: more depending on how quickly they do. It one of

1900
01:52:35,040 --> 01:52:39,080
Speaker 10: the things that the plump administration is doing, well at

1901
01:52:39,200 --> 01:52:43,360
Speaker 10: is is speeding up how fast they make these kinds

1902
01:52:43,400 --> 01:52:49,280
Speaker 10: of decisions that environmentals will sue and we'll have to

1903
01:52:48,880 --> 01:52:52,479
Speaker 10: make a decision, about you, know whether we want to

1904
01:52:52,479 --> 01:52:55,120
Speaker 10: proceed despite the lawsuit or wait for the outcome of the.

1905
01:52:55,200 --> 01:52:58,000
Speaker 4: Lawsuit all, right but you, know.

1906
01:52:58,200 --> 01:52:59,920
Speaker 10: And, then AS i, said it'll take us through a

1907
01:53:00,120 --> 01:53:01,680
Speaker 10: half to four years to construct the.

1908
01:53:01,720 --> 01:53:02,519
Speaker 6: Project that's.

1909
01:53:02,600 --> 01:53:06,600
Speaker 1: AMAZING i didn't know how many roadblocks were in the

1910
01:53:06,640 --> 01:53:10,639
Speaker 1: way of what seems to be a critical. Project and,

1911
01:53:10,840 --> 01:53:16,240
Speaker 1: Listen i'm as hawkish on preserving the environment as anybody,

1912
01:53:16,280 --> 01:53:20,160
Speaker 1: else but when it comes to standing in the way

1913
01:53:20,320 --> 01:53:25,400
Speaker 1: of getting us critical minerals that are there available in

1914
01:53:25,479 --> 01:53:28,840
Speaker 1: what we. Need and, plus you guys know what you're

1915
01:53:28,880 --> 01:53:32,240
Speaker 1: doing as far as mining this. Stuff and it's not

1916
01:53:32,400 --> 01:53:35,760
Speaker 1: like a strip mine where you're going to just destroy

1917
01:53:36,000 --> 01:53:42,080
Speaker 1: the whole. Landscape you have certain requirements and certain restrictions

1918
01:53:42,080 --> 01:53:45,000
Speaker 1: and regulations you have to follow to make sure that doesn't,

1919
01:53:45,000 --> 01:53:49,920
Speaker 1: happen especially in a beautiful natural setting Like. Alaska BUT

1920
01:53:51,200 --> 01:53:53,320
Speaker 1: i wish you good luck. TOMORROW i don't know how

1921
01:53:53,360 --> 01:53:56,000
Speaker 1: it's going to turn out, either but we'll find.

1922
01:53:56,040 --> 01:53:57,479
Speaker 6: Out we.

1923
01:53:57,560 --> 01:53:59,439
Speaker 4: Will AND i appreciate you giving me the.

1924
01:53:59,479 --> 01:54:03,400
Speaker 7: Time you, know no matter what The trump administration, Does

1925
01:54:04,040 --> 01:54:04,679
Speaker 7: we're not giving.

1926
01:54:04,760 --> 01:54:07,800
Speaker 1: Up well apparently. Not you've been fighting this fight since

1927
01:54:07,880 --> 01:54:11,080
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty. Eight why give up? NOW a billion dollars,

1928
01:54:11,160 --> 01:54:16,240
Speaker 1: Later John shively of The Pebble, project and watch for

1929
01:54:16,280 --> 01:54:18,880
Speaker 1: that court. Filing you may see it kind of below

1930
01:54:18,920 --> 01:54:21,400
Speaker 1: the headlines on the, news but it may be very

1931
01:54:21,439 --> 01:54:25,200
Speaker 1: critical and important To america's future and the supply of.

1932
01:54:25,360 --> 01:54:29,519
Speaker 1: Copper John, shively thank you so. Much thank.

1933
01:54:29,560 --> 01:54:31,200
Speaker 4: You take care back

1934
01:54:31,240 --> 01:54:33,240
Speaker 1: To wrap up with some final thoughts in just a

1935
01:54:33,280 --> 01:54:35,400
Speaker 1: moment on seven HUNDRED wlw