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Speaker 1: This is Tony Pike Cincy three sixty about Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: From Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, Happy Tuesday, Happy Hour number two since he

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Speaker 2: three sixty on the home of the Bengals, ESPN fifteen

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Speaker 2: thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. It is Tuesday. It is hour two,

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Speaker 2: which means we get to talk to our guy from

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Speaker 2: Fox nineteen joining us right now. Joe Daneman, Joey d what's.

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Speaker 1: Up, Tony, Tony Tony? And Audi E. What's up? Happy Tuesday?

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Speaker 2: Happy Tuesday?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 2: The service sounds pretty good. Are you halfway to Tucson yet?

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Speaker 2: Are you guys leaving later today? When do you guys

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Speaker 2: head to Arizona?

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Speaker 1: I head to Arizona next month for ready, Yeah, yep, yep,

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Speaker 1: So there's my hands yet?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 1: Flight his book hotel is ready three days in the

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Speaker 1: sun to cover the Cincinnati Red next month. But what

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Speaker 1: an opportunity for the Bearcats and west Miller on Wednesday night.

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Speaker 2: You ain't kidding. Opportunities all abound and unfortunately a lost opportunity.

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Speaker 2: I have to bring it up because I know it's

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Speaker 2: close to you. The Jimmy Butler news not great for

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Speaker 2: your Golden State Warriors or Steph Curry.

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Speaker 1: It's tough. They were starting to play so well, and

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Speaker 1: they were on the brink of moving their one tradable asset,

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Kaminga hopefully to get a three and D guy

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Speaker 1: to kind of complete what I thought could be a

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Speaker 1: team who could compete to go to the Western Conference Finals.

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Speaker 1: The shame of it is if you're a step fan

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Speaker 1: or a lebron fan, when they get near the end

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Speaker 1: of their career, when they just don't build around them

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Speaker 1: and give these generational players the tools they need to

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Speaker 1: compete for championships. At another year of Steph Curry nearing

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Speaker 1: the end of his career where he has a chance

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Speaker 1: to compete for a title. I still think they can

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Speaker 1: be a threat to make the playoffs, but certainly any

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Speaker 1: idea of the Golden State Warriors and us getting to

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Speaker 1: watch step play in huge games is now off the

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Speaker 1: table for this team to make a run of the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: It's a shame. I'm a little bit bummed today after

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Speaker 1: seeing what happened last night, a.

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Speaker 2: Huge game last night as well in the National Championship.

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Speaker 2: I want to ask you what Indiana has done. It's

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Speaker 2: one of the most remarkable stories in the history of

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Speaker 2: sports and what Signetti did with not all the five

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Speaker 2: stars and being able in today's football or college sport

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Speaker 2: era to be able to put a roster like that

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Speaker 2: together and turn it around so quickly. Is that one

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Speaker 2: of those stories, Joe, in your opinion, that's just you

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Speaker 2: catch lightning in a bottle with Mendoza with the perfect coach.

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Speaker 2: Or does that set the groundwork for more teams that

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Speaker 2: are in the middle of the packet in their conferences

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Speaker 2: to be able to go and actively pursue national championships.

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Speaker 1: The great question the day after Indiana's National championionship win

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Speaker 1: is is this sustainable? Is this a model? They're gonna

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Speaker 1: make a movie out of what Indiana did this year.

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Speaker 1: It's that great of a story, It's that unbelievable of

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Speaker 1: a story. But I think Kurt Signetti is kind of

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Speaker 1: the secret to the success of Indiana, and I don't

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Speaker 1: think it can be replicated by teams on their level,

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Speaker 1: so to speak, that aren't quote unquote the blue blood. Certainly,

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be moments where teams pop up, they find

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Speaker 1: a guy like Kurt Signetti and this perfect storm comes

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Speaker 1: together where they become the best team in the country

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Speaker 1: and a deserved national champion. But to sit here and

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Speaker 1: say there are other teams that can replicate what they did,

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Speaker 1: It's hard. It's threading a needle. It's one in a

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Speaker 1: million to combine both the backing of the financial backers

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Speaker 1: question would be is it sustainable for Kurt Signetti in

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Speaker 1: Indiana going forward? I think people I think I think

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Speaker 1: the knee jerk reaction would be, yeah, sure, look what

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Speaker 1: he's done, but is he going to get offers to

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Speaker 1: calling for Kurt Signetti? If you're the Pittsburgh Steelers and

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Speaker 1: You know, you think back to the Gordon Hayward, Butler

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Speaker 1: Hailey's comment of what Indiana football has become and what

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Speaker 1: I think it's the Kurt Signetti part of the equation

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Speaker 1: like Indiana going forward, even though there is this open

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Speaker 2: It's hard to watch that game last night and look

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Speaker 2: at a guy like Ruben Bain because I've been all

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Speaker 2: on the Caleb Downs journey up to this point, but

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Speaker 2: you watch a game like that, it reminds you if

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Speaker 2: the most uncomfortable really anyone has made Indiana. Look, do

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Speaker 2: you view this upcoming draft? And I know there's so

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Speaker 2: be here before we know what it always is. Are

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Speaker 2: you set in a path of you know, if Caleb

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Speaker 2: do you view a top ten pick early on in

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Speaker 1: Well, the good thing is that you're trying to split

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Speaker 1: both that good. Now, you go back to Duke Tobin's

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Speaker 1: what he said over sixty six minutes of questions and

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Speaker 1: not a lot of answers. The one thing that stood

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Speaker 1: different growth timelines. Right of Miles Murphy, it took several years,

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Speaker 1: Bengals don't find instant impact players on defense and have

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Speaker 1: a better defense in twenty twenty six to get him

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Speaker 1: that listen. It's kind of a stock answer. You can't

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Speaker 1: go wrong with either. But safety's not a premium position.

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Speaker 1: It's just not. And Caleb Downs is not a playmaker.

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Speaker 1: He's not Ed Reid, he's not Troy Pabamalo, but he's

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Speaker 1: also a guy that he's a plug and play player

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Speaker 1: who makes your entire defense better. If you go back

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Speaker 1: will actually go on YouTube and look at players all

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Speaker 1: twenty two. When you watch Caleb downs play, it's a

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Speaker 1: masterclass in professionalism. He's lined up correctly, he lines other

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Speaker 1: people up correctly. He can play multiple positions. He's a

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Speaker 1: Swiss army knife. He doesn't mistackles. He's got a bit

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Speaker 1: he's also able to cover. He just doesn't make a

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Speaker 1: number ten draft pick. It's just not a you know,

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Speaker 1: I would go Ruben Bain if I had to choose

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Speaker 1: one of the two, because it's almost like quarterback in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. If you don't have one, you keep swinging

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Speaker 1: until you find one. Defensive end in guys who wrecked

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Speaker 1: the game at the line of scrimmage, you keep swinging

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Speaker 1: until you find one. And right now, it feels like

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Speaker 1: there's a bit of an emergency for the Bengals to

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Speaker 1: find someone who can fill that spot of being this

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Speaker 1: team's quote unquote closer because they lost that with Tray Hendrickson,

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Speaker 1: and you saw how important that was throughout the season

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Speaker 1: think they have to keep swinging at eggs until they

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Speaker 1: find the right fit. And maybe they've already got that

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Speaker 1: not willing to go into the twenty twenty sixth season

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Speaker 3: Dan Pitcher is interviewing with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for

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Speaker 3: their offensive coordinator job. That's his job here, but there

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Speaker 3: he would be able to call the plays. What do

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Speaker 3: that Zach Taylor should reconsider in an effort to keep

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Speaker 3: the continuity, that would be Dan Pitcher.

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Speaker 1: It's not only considering to keep the continuity, it's also

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Speaker 1: if Dan Pitcher does lead, how do you get someone

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Speaker 1: opportunity is there in Tampa to take that opportunity to

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Speaker 1: continue on his career. I can tell you this from

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Speaker 1: not want to lose. But if he has to do

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Speaker 1: Now if he does leave, where do the Bengals go

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Speaker 1: And how does Zach Taylor make this an attractive job

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Speaker 1: for someone who's not going to come in and call

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Speaker 1: relationship you have with Brian Callahan, and Brian Callahan is available,

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Speaker 1: and that would seem to be the easy fit. But

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Speaker 1: to find change in the margins. Is bringing back Brian

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Speaker 1: Callahan the right move and the right message to the

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Speaker 1: I thought Brian Callahan did a great job in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: Joe Daniman, you're the best at every level. What's all

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Speaker 2: What's up right now?

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Speaker 1: You know Fox nineteen now never stopped Final Quarter Friday

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Speaker 1: looking forward as wrestling watchers.

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Speaker 2: Oh the Royal rumble, Yes, we're talking La.

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Speaker 1: Night, La Knight pull off the shocker of the center.

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Speaker 1: It's time Royal, which time, It's past time, But it's

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